Best Ukrainian vs Best Russian tank. T-90M vs BM Oplot comparison
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Since Ukraine announced that the production of their best tank, the BM Oplot would be continuing, I thought it would be a good time to compare it to the best Russian tank in active service, the T-90M.
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Outro: "face away" - svard
The biggest downside of the T-90M is the reverse speed, while the biggest downside of the BM-Oplot is that it doesnt exist.
that is more of a Ukraine downside than a Tank downside
Also absence of longer rounds is a really important drawback
"while the biggest downside of BM-Oplot is that it dosent exist" Armata new competition????
@@YarIsGoober armata exists tho they're just afraid it'll get blown up and completely destroy their tech advantage as soon as it gets captured
Yes there is a few examples they where going to produce them before Russia annexed Crimea. A lot of companies that made compentents for the T84Oplot where in Crimea and not available so Ukraine now has to start agian. Though with Challenger 2 tanks, Leopard 2s and Abrams tanks coming in I think the T90Ms Russia will have to bring more to the battle field or risk thier Arfarta tanks. Though depleted Urainium rounds will peirce the T90M not a problem.
7:25 T-90M: "I'm only human after all, i'm only human after all"
lmao
😂
LMAO
LOLL
T-90M after firing a 3BM60 on a Ukrainian hospital
I think the only real downside of the T-90M is that its still using the old transmission giving it only a 4km/h reverse speed. The torque would be insanely high but that doesn't save you when your being engaged.
Maybe there thought is forward only reverse is for cowards ! Lol
Go to say not one step back
Yeah people complain about carousel but they added armor on it and chances of cookoff decreased significantly. Only thing hindering T-90M is it's horrendous reverse speed. I don't understand why are Russians so adamant to not fix it
@@Saxondavid that's a bit over confident
True. And the lack of APS (even if it's designed to have one), however that's still a luxury to most other tanks as well.
That one Clip of two T-90Ms reversing is so painful
its not a really good example ive seen them reverse much faster then this. In this spesific case the drivers just decidet to not reverse quickly
@@nekko5778 T-72s does only have 1 reverse gear with 4 km/h max speed which is really bad even if the driver only drove 2 or 3 km/h it wouldnt make any big differenc
@@kevlar2536 In the T-90M, the reverse speed has been increased to 15 km.
@@milaro222 did you have a Source
@@kevlar2536 Source: Trust me
The biggest problem of T-90M is the reverse speed
It also goes boom 💥
@@mr.normalguy69 what
@@mr.normalguy69 you can kindly get out of here
@@mr.normalguy69 every tank goes boom lmao nothing is indestructible kid
Only problem
I think the amount of APFSDS used in this war is extrmeley mininal. 99% of a tanks targets are not going to be other tanks, every war with tanks in it has shown this. Even WW2, which has had by far the largest tank conflicts in history, saw tanks rarely facing tanks, when compared to how often they faced other targets.
I wonder then if the tank training received by Ukrainian crews in the UK will be of higher value than initially thought, as modern British tank doctrine is arguably more centred around infantry support instead of tank v tank.
Excellent points. Really.
This is something that is very overlooked in wars.... probably the dumbest thing NATO has done tankwise was not issuing HE projectiles during the cold war, but only HEAT, APFSDS and HESH. (Thankfully in recent time they NATO tanks have extremely efficient airburst HE)
Lmao no, tank x tank combat despite not being that common is definetely not as rare as they say, as it is intuitive to deploy tanks to combat other tanks on the field of battle; and on ww2 tank x tank combat was extremely common, since the scale of that conflit. Keep in mind that mbts are designed to fight other tanks, if tank x tank combat was so rare they would focus much more on the infantry support capabilities. Don't forget iraq war, which was determined by huge tank x tank battles. It is not that tank x tank combat is rare, it is that having footage of those combats is rare.
@@Machine_Cult This has not been the case since just after WW2 when the Infantry tanks were retired. Challenger 2 is in armoured infantry brigdaes which is your standard mechanized infantry built around high mobility tank/armored vehicle warfare, rather then positional infantry fighting Soviets were the ones who still kept companies assigned to motorised infantry, and the US are bringing the concept back with MPF which will be assigned to Infantry Brigade Combat Teams and not Stryker or Armored Brigades
if there is one thing we have learned from this war, and we have always known this, it's not the vehicle it is the crew that really makes the difference.
Its not the machine its the pilot they said
Unless it's like a really really inferior machine, then the crew is just as good as lost.
In any case, the crew will be less effective in combat against an army with better intelligence, communications, UAVs, tanks with APS. The crew and soldiers in general are not the most important thing in the war. the most important thing is the actions of the command. Not even the best crew in the world can win in spite of their shit commanders.
Yeah, but that works for both sides, since the average crew will be about as good for both countries
Russians basically make same tank from introduction of T-64. Differences are marginal and hard factors are not as important as soft factors, despite what people think. Both tanks are obsolete.
Great comparison. One comparison I would love to see is the T-64BV vs T-72B3. Why? Because that's the tanks that have suffered the highest losses in the war on each side and I'm fairly certain they're the most used ones as well. They're the backbones if you will.
He has a comparison in his Russian vs Ukrainian tanks video.
A WW2 light tank against a modern MBT? Just why?
@@DiamondkeyOwO The T-64BV is a MBT, what are you talking about?
@@voidtempering8700 Oki thanks I'll check that out.
@@voidtempering8700 Lol I just realized I wrote T-60 not T-64 lmao. Gonna edit it.
kudos to you man. Its so hard to find neutral takes on the conflict in this day and age.
Fr.U try to give some credit to russian equipment or pointing out western problems =russian/chinese bot
@@arandomperson5649 It’s more prevalent on Western media outlets channels or pro-Ukraine channels. I got called a Russian bot for explaining to someone the difference between KIA and casualties ;|
@@cryptarisprotocol1872 That's why these type conversations should be taken with a grain of salt. Unless you can see, or hear the person? It's not a "real" conversation. Yes. I'm old enough to remember a world with no internet.
@@cryptarisprotocol1872 well that is because KIA = russian Casuality, and WIA = Ukranian Casuality, since ofc nothing else happens.
@@gerfandnah just say Ukraine lost 5 and Russia lost 10000000000000000 they Will believe
If T 90 gets it's ERA improved and reverse speed issue fixed that would be a supurb tank
Add to that a rear bustle auto loader
@@cmdrmonkey it’s not useless
@@rogue__agent5884 bustle loader would completely change the design of the tank. I think with better protection of the auto loader and the tank itself the issue will become a very minor one.
@@vii7031 it’s not just extra safety that u get with rear bustle auto loader u also get to have longer projectiles increasing performance, as of now Russian tanks like T-72/T-90/T-80 have reached the peak length and they can’t increase the size of the projectile meaning the performance cannot increase
@@cmdrmonkey chobham armor is just a name for British composite armor. Its not magic or special really, actually by now probably outdated since its like 40 years old at this point. The first use of composite armor was actually by Soviets. T-90s already have composite armor of their own design.
I've heard about the Ukrainian ERA but never seen these footage examples thank you for such a well researched video
Hi Redeffect can you do a video where you show example how you would modernise T-72 80 or 90 tanks i know it would be long video but it would be really interesting for all of us. Btw keep up the good work we really appreciate it
Totally agree
Better yet Gaijin should have a sit down video with UralVagonZavod showing them how to make a T-72B4
Every t90 Tank is a modernized T72. The t90 is not a New Plattform.
@@VR-db2fo no one said it was i just wrote some options for him to pick if he ever would make video like that
@@LM-nb6eh didnt want to suggest that you said that. I just stated it as a fact. Sorry for the confusion.
The reverse speed of the T-90 was 5 km/h, after the modernization of the T-90M, it was increased to 15 km/h.
Yooooo, that is epic
It really boggles the mind that the Russians haven't replaced the transmissions. I'm no expert, but it seems to me that if the Ukrainians can install a gear reverser, then the Russians should be well and capable of doing the same. Also as you mentioned numbers of T-90M, I've been trying to get a handle on how many have been produced since the Kherson offensive, and my best estimate is 320 or so. It could be as low as 250, or as high as 375. Just going off visible serial numbers and extrapolating, as well as collecting videos of tanks being delivered on trains. Not the most accurate method, but it's safe to say Russia is likely delivering about 2x as many tanks to the battlefield as Ukraine is receiving from us in the west.
Hahahah sell off spare parts go BRRR
I was a T-72 gunner with the 6th guards motor rifle regiment. The reverse speed might seem like garbage when performing maneuvers in combat, but once the tank gets stuck in mud or other unfavorable terrain (happens a lot especially during the mud season), the very high gear ratio in reverse allows it to either get itself unstuck or helps massively when another Russian tank is required to tow the stuck tank
@@Insert-Retarded-Reply-Here Thing is, they could keep that gear and add a few more. Because the danger the tank is exposed to is probably greater than the reduced risk of it getting stuck and possibly lost. I mean, at least you don't risk the crew
@@Pao234_ I'm pretty sure that the engineers at UVZ have investigated this matter before making their choice. You can't imagine just how meticulous design processes can be.
@@Pao234_ it’s not that simple. To add more gears requires a redesigned gearbox, and though this level of technical specificity is beyond what I am familiar with, larger and heavier gearboxes are required to accommodate more reverse gears which may prove too bulky for the T-series vehicles unless the gear ratio was changed, and on top of that it would result in reduced components interchangeability with other Russian tanks, which is partially the reason why the T-80 program was abandoned. And you may think that reversing faster is more important than recovering a stricken vehicle stuck in mud, but the soviet/Russian doctrine has a pretty consistent track record of prioritizing logistical soundness over sheer combat performance.
Love the new extro music! And great video as usual. Thanks
Very informative as always, thanks
Russia has more T-14 that Ukraine has Oplots. Maybe you should have compare Oplot and Armata because of comparable amounts of tanks available
TBF the biggest T-90 disadvantage still exists in T-14 (can't reverse). Other than that T-14 should be better in other scenarios except the ability to produce, since it used a lot of electronics which are now sanctioned and hard to get. But Oplots are not produced as well so I guess we can call it a tie in that regard, since having 20 T-14 without the ability to construct more is not very useful.
@@dungeonboss8356 idk what specific technology blocks the production if it even true. The production struggled even before the sanctions were imposed. So maybe it's something else. Anyway I guess if you can produce T90M in numbers, you can produce T14 as well... May be a little downgraded, if there is really some kind of techno block, but nevertheless
@@iyhan1987 the entire point of T-14 was being so "scientifically advanced" that the west would fear it, therefore they put a bunch of semi-advanced electronic stuff, which is not present in T90, I don't remember exactly what. If you are more interested in it LazerPig has a good video about it (although biased, you will still get a lot of information about it)
@@dungeonboss8356 thx
@@dungeonboss8356 where did you get the information about T-14's reverse speed?
1:39 That projectile is the Indian 125mm FSAPDS Mk-2 and not the Israeli one.
Didnt know that as a indian myself
Another cool and informative video from you. Thumbs up, like always! :)
Can’t wait for BM oplot to get added to the USSR tree in Warthunder 🎉
I doubt they will add it. Russians don't like to be reminded of how badly their shithole country is being humiliated.
its riot in WT
It is more possible for it to get added to Japan in the form of a Thai side-tree
I'm not a big fan of Russian tanks and ERAs in general but I have to admit both tanks are pretty impressive, the T-90M looks pretty badass and the ERA used on the Oplot is interesting
Problem is BM Oplot is even rarer than T 14
That’s why Ukraine announced to start production.
dude Thailand has 49 of Oplot, how many T14 russia has?
@@AuntHazel Probably something like 20-40 now.
@@ThePppp89 i bet even less, but still - it's not rarer)
@@ThePppp89 15
FINALLY OMG I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR A VIDEO ON THE OPLOT!!!
A forward/reverse lever with lockout on top gears is a good idea. Our U1300L and U1700L Unimogs in NZ had a lockout for the top four (of eight) gears. The forward/reverse lever itself is handy when you lose forward momentum on a slope. Shortly after the Unimogs (mogs) came into service, a member of the RNZAF serving at Ohakea Air Base, removed the lockout pin from a Unimog transmission and reportedly got the truck up to 90km/h in reverse, on the runway, before he rolled it and killed himself.
the problem with Nizh is that its effectivness depends on where the hit lands for example, if projectile hits last hollow charge, all 10 would affect it but if it hits first, it would be affected only by 1 Also, because of how big Duplet is, part of T-84's base armor is cut out to mount ERA
That's why the lower sections have various angles of the charges - to maximize the hit radius. Same is with side sections for hull and the turret.
Another issue is the single use. Once it is triggered, the tank functionally misseda solid chunk of armor while on the T90M it at least still has access to all it's plating.
all era is like that, if the bottom of the block is hit less mass goes into pojectile, if it hit the top maximum mass is pushe dinto projectile, this si why era blocks including on nizh is long
@@dwarow2508 The rod will be lucky to pen 2 layers of Duplet. But even if it does there is a 3rd level of traditional composite armor at the bottom.
@@sdrkrm Yeah but still. Once it triggers, it's gone. Just composite armor minus the steel plate. That is a significant drop in protection as opposed to the extre steel on thr T90M
I would say they are pretty equivalent in combat power to one another, but the lack of availability of the BM Oplot is a major disadvantage.
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Nice episode and info as always ain’t no one gonna mention the new outro
Ay, i'm first! Thanks for the informational unbiased videos! Keep it up!
Great vid but I would like to point out that T84BM oplot also can mount the KMDB 6TD-3 opposed piston 6-cylinder diesel (1,500 hp), instead of the 6TD-2E (1200hp) engine.
T-90M just looks so damn sexy
I agree.
I absolutely agree, even though I'm on Russian side, BM-Oplot looks really good, however nothing beats photos of T-90M during a parade
@@al1sa920 I love the t90m but the oplot is just so THICC with armor I love it
@@al1sa920Both tanks look absolutely goated, for some reason i like the design of post-soviet tanks more than western counterparts like leopards, abrams and challengers
I know it'd be better if Russia had hundreds of T14's by this point, but hundreds of T90M's just puts a smile on my face.
Being saddled with that "nursing home speed" reverse feature is terrifying. Great video, as usual!
People saying that it's strange that Russians aren't replacing the transmission. Keep in mind that this is still the nation that didn't wanna replace the KV tank with better and newer designs, and just slapped some armor plates all around to make it's armor more effective. The butt ERA on the T90M is the perfect example
The most probable reason is that theyre using the same transmission for so long that changing it would mean changing the production lines to the point where it could hamper the production of the tanks so much. BM-Oplot had the same production challenges when they were delivering tanks to Thailand.
With how little of these tanks are there, it will be a miracle if they found each other.
Wonder if they're planning on producing the 120mm version with the bustle autoloader instead of the standard 125mm one.
I thought that version was developed for export.
@@_Admin_01. Doesn't stop them from building it for their own military. Might be a good idea with how they're probably slowly switching over mostly to NATO ammunition.
@@wulfleyn6498 but where will they build these tanks? Xtz was blown up by the russians and every other tank modernization plant in ukraine has ceased to exist. Also how do the Ukrainians plan to produce the duplet era. Also Ukrainians dont build tanks from scratch but they modernize old tanks. So how many t80s do they have to work with?
@@squidysnose69 Well they're planning on having the built somewhere, since they seem to starting production again, might not even be in Ukraine for all I know.
@@wulfleyn6498 They need the blueprints which they can reverse engineer but even then which country would suspend their own tank production to make a foreign tank. The USA makes about 100 new tanks a year and all of europe together probably makes about the same. Putting a new tank in production would be too costly and inefficient. If Nato makes 50 a year that would be surprising.
Great video. Thanks for the info.
Man thank you for finally changing the outro song!!!
I like the BM for one reason, it doesn’t look exactly like a Russian tank which makes it both easier to identify and also gives the casual watcher an easier time knowing who is on what side in any rare tank on tank battles we see
The BM Oplot is pretty damn good all things considered. The Duplet armor System seems super effective, and the mobility is excelent. Of course, it has a lot of oversights, and has reduced anti tank capability for a top modern tank. They are just TOO few to make any difference, and I doubt Rheinmetall could come close to UralVagonZavod's production.
Ok hoho
I would love for it to get some field experience, because the fact they had to remove part of the upper frontal plate to not break the suspension because of how heavy Duplet is gives me the feeling that the tank may not be as reliable as one would wish. Unlike Russia with the T90M, which seemed to modernize practically the entire platform (aside from the transmission lmao), the Ukrainians seemed to just build up on the old T84 platform, without really changing much from the basic design (aside from the turret ammo rack, that was nice). We may have something like a Panzer IV situation, where by the middle of the war, not much could be done to further improve it without redesigning things like the suspension or the general layout, something the Russians seem to have done with their original T90. I don't know, but the T90M seems just so much more practical and mass produceable to me
@@Lemosa3414 Cope and seethe bot. How does it feel to know Russian Orcs are killing themselves off? Alcoholism, drugs, emigration and now wars where you are losing hundreds of thousands of young men for nothing have made sure soon Russians will cease to exist. Anyways we in the West are laughing at you Russians. Enjoy being a Chinese puppet
@@Pao234_ Oplot has already seen battle. Russian tanks are everything than what the advertising makes them look like. This illegal invasion has proved as much. Russian tanks are downright dogshit compared to Western tanks
Why would Rheinmetall make T-84 if it has a decade worth of orders for Leopards. Which are simply better. The whole T-84 production is a hoax
Thank you , it was very very nice , thanks for good and hard work ❤ from Denmark
Very good comparison!
Very detailed and unbiased video, keep up the good work. :D
The Russians could’ve at least put the t80 transmission in the t90 to make it go 11kph issued of the 4kph
Engine and transmission are connected together to form whats known as a tank powerplant. With t80s gas turbine engine and t90 piston engine i doubt the trannys are interchangeable
you cant just out t80 transmision in to t72 hull thats not how that works
That's not that simple, there're huge difference between gearboxes and connecting modules
All T-90M already have a 15 kmph reverse speed. It's still a downside, but not as big as for older modifications. Don't know where 4 kmph is coming from.
@@dm1i нет, там те же 4 км/ч.
i saw the notification and though at first there was actual combat footage between the t 90 and oplot which i was really excited to see but its just a comparison video
2:08 One correction I have to spell out to you here. The thermal control unit on the left was made by Thomson-CSF (as depicted upside down in the still), while the one on the right is made by Thales. They're not copies of anything or anybody as Thomson-CSF (1968 - 2000) was the former trade name of Thales (2000 - current).
Thx for another Great Video mr RedEffect, Both are great tanks, but unfortunalley to Ukraine Oplot is one of the rarest tank, losing only to stuff that failed like Osorio and AMX-40
@@FullAutoWitch T-14 has more numbers under Russian Control (under less time as well, and this is adding the Thai order), this is a economical problem, I bet Russia has not focused on Armata... because of Ukraine, since everything seens to indicate an "armament campaing" starting in ~2016, with 2015 being the year the last year they tried to have minsk II upheld.
I would like to point out about the T-90M that it uses a Catherine XP/LR Thermal Imager which is 3rd generation Thermals, Relikt ERA (as said in the video) which makes it so that APFSDS has 50% less penetrating power (M829A2 could not penetrate a T-90A which was fitted with Relikt while M829A3 struggled to be consistant), however it does have a "weakspot" in the turret which the T-90A doesn't have which is right ontop of the gun mantlet, where the turret is higher but where APFSDS should not be able to penetrate.
Thales Catherine XP/LR Thermal Imager - Made in France. Which means the russians may manufacture as many T-90s as they want but since the electronics are made in the west and so they are unobtanium for the russians after the invasion. So the new T-90s will be just a nice props for propaganda but worthless in combat. So your dissertation on US APFSDS rounds is pointless.
@@haloguy628 While i agree that what i said about M829A2 and A3 may not sound realistic, but it is, as pointed from the manufacturer of Relikt and even a German document about it, which says that DM63 (and M829A2/A3 too basically) cannot penetrate modern Russian MBTs in the front plate.
@@haloguy628 russia have managed to domestically produce it ... since 5 years ago
@@haloguy628 they produced the thermals themselves.
T90m has a different turret and it's currently unknown if it's armor array is different
Thanks for using my song in the outros brother 🙏
Hi huge fan of your song! care to refer me to other similar vibe songs if u have any in mind? the vibe this song giving feels like oldish Russian type beat. very nice.
On top of every thing, both tanks look beautiful !
I would like to know if they could reduce the carousel autoloader detonation damage. They already have a shield on top so adding a sliding door like Abrams that automatically close after a reload is not that difficult. And blowout panel underside could be interesting but I don't think it could last a rough ride but blowout panels to the sides through the tracks can be possible. I wonder if they calculated it and come to the conclusion that energy release is too rapid for the crew to survive. Or it's one of those "possible but no money" situations.
It wouldnt be possible as the ammo carousel isn't isolated, so the pressure inevetably would still go to the cabin.
Where would it blow out 🤷♂️
Can't it have a blow out panel under the tank?
@@derikWG yes if you want a flying tank
@@derikWG they might be able to do so but it had more complexity to autoloader mechanism and some new changes to tank side frame which they didnt like when T14 armata already answer all such weakness by isolate all crew away to the frontal part. It seems they just want to reuse all available part that already produced to create t72/t90 and just going to t14 for such better protection
I think it's kind of unfair to compare these two, oplot is made or still in existence in handful of numbers while t90m is in hundreds, the more fair comparison is oplot vs armata, or t64bv vs t90m...
Armata? Why? This is different generations of tank. Armata can be compared only to abramsx if it ever being produced.
@@trololoev Because it's the pinnacle of Russian tank production like oplot is for the Ukraine and they're both in small numbers, meaning not really in active service, while t90m is.
There are not hundreds of T-90M. Most figure are around 100 before the war. If russian on paper figures were true this war would not be a stalemate
There are also way more T14s and T90Ms then T64BVs or Oplots lol
Availability of tanks doesn't affect the tank's technical category. Oplot is comparable to T90M or T80BVM; while T14 is a different generation.
love the new Geopold outro
Excellent outro song.
I don't remember completely but wasn't there a video of a T-90M commander playing CS:GO in one of the computers (Idk much about tank electronics)? I remember seeing a video like that a while ago.
I'm surprised at how effective duplet. It's very impressive and I hope to see it used more in combat
It comes at a cost of being very heavy (and bulky).
@@user-dp4ok9ox5w as it holds French 120F1 DU round at 100 meters with no scratch almost, I think I can live with that :)
@@sdrkrm I mean the old 3BM42 still went in by 60mm, you only need to add some 20+ mm of penetration and it will go trough the side of a T80. The tank (Oplot) itself seems very sluggish and the additional weight won't do it any benefits in wear & tear. Making a good tank, is not just about making its triangle (firepower, mobility, protection) into a giant one, but it must be mass produced effectively and maintained for years to come. From what i understand, the Oplot has been plagued by massive reliability issues, due to its added weight and addition of components that have not gotten the necessary long term reliability testing.
@@user-dp4ok9ox5w lol, the T84 modernization limits are much higher than that and additional 2,6 tons of weight makes no difference whatsoever. Sluggish? Yeah, right 😏 kzhead.info/sun/es5tlLqMsKeufY0/bejne.html
It's also great at maiming any infantry marching by the side of the tank.
In one video I seen there was a hundred t90m's in a muddy field somewhere in ukraine, they have defiantly ramped up production.
link?
@@knusern666 kzhead.info/sun/p8yspsasrHmmhqc/bejne.html
@@knusern666 I think he meant not the hundreds , but 10's of tanks. There are plenty of videos online of that.
Nozh/Douplette due to its design and function seem to need a pretty sharp angle to work, which might make it inable to stand hits not from that exact angle expected. So covering the roof might be nice for missiles comming in a ~30° angle, but not anything more directly top attacking, as this HEAT beam would perfectly go through the defensive projection from Nozh. Same with threats hitting Nozh from a ~90° angle, as these wouldn't affect the threat at all. As this might be irrelevant for (not top attack) hits on the frontal armor, this very well might be relevant on side armor. From teh space and angle of the side shield, you can tell that Nozh is single layered and either top/down mounted, so both ERA lines might have at least a bad angle left, or they're from front to rear like snake scales, offering good protection from frontal hits, and then gradually degrad protection the more the angle of attack shifts to the side. I also have my concerns about removing frontal armor for ERA cover. As ERA indeed offers better protection, and can be replaced/modernised way better, they still need to have something that have a indiscriminatly 'dumb' protection to catch the rest. Removind armor might make the whole degredation idea pointless. I know, its a coping strategy on top of copying strategys, but still i see some problems.
Addition: This limitations of Nozh rendering Oplot almost completley inable to protect against artillery fire, which is one of the main threats in the recent war. Maybe a combination of flat tiles (instead of the heavy armor they removed, as well as on top) with a single explosivly projected plate would make sense, and protection would be a bit less niche against KE from one specific angle.
1:53 APFSDS is absolutely insane, those giant pieces of tungsten or depleted uranium move at almost 2km per second.
Maximum speed those APFSDS ever achieved in Russian service was just over 1700m/s which is muzzle velocity. As it travels down range, it loses the speed. So it's significantly less than 2km/sec. At 2km distance penetration is almost half of stated against "point blank" and even less so against angled plate.
This is about the 2A82 cannon. About 2A83 I think we will not start a speech
The T-90M3 can weight up to 54 tons according to some valid sources, depends on the modifications. Additional reactive protection alone it makes 50t. Then you have all the other stuff.. I think 48t is accurate for the T-90MS in 2017 version.
Can you cite them please? I find an increase by 6 tons by adding some cage armor hard to believe.
@@definitelyfrank9341 Not just cage armour dude. Carousel armour, cage armour, ERA, newer modern systems, 6ton on a tank honestly isn't much. Look at the TUSK Pack for the A2 SEP
@@s4ss.m8 He's saying that there's a 6 ton difference in weight between the T-90Ms in 2017 and the ones used today. What weight have they added to the T-90Ms since 2017? Just some additional cage armor for the most part, that's it. The modern systems, carousel armour, and Relikt were already on the tank.
I really like the new outro song
0:59 When turning the turret in a Ukrainian tank, the driver will be cut off his head or the exit will be blocked, as well as poor visibility around
Отличный контент, продолжай в том же духе
I think Ukraine will try to produce BM oplot in subvariant 120 Yatagan to fix ammo problem. Because in majority Oplot and Yatagan have the same base but different gun and ammo storage. It possible that Rheinmetall will sell licence for producing Rh-120. That gun will be useful on that tank.
can you make a video why the shtora system (IR lights) are obsolete? i dont understand why no t90 in Ukr. has it. there is a tons of old atgm out there. i saw impressive results when used by the SAA, even homemade ones.
Wouldn't Duplet ERA only be effective in countering kinetic and heat charges that are coming at an angle more than around 15 - 20 degrees of the armour? if the main principle of survival is using heat charges to dissect the penetrator, then the angle between the charges and the penetrator should be of vital importance. i can see the glacis being the best spot for it but for shots to the side and even from old RPG rounds that send a sufficiently small penetrator, this would prove ineffective if hit in the right spots of which the probability is around 30 - 50%.
It's not that we have flying t90s shooting darts from the sky
@@stingray-5863 side aspect*
@@stingray-5863 They do actually fire ATGMs and can hit a tank from the side easily
@@dwarow2508And they often do (Though I've seen footage from a T90M shooting three *HE* projectiles onto a T64BV for some reason)
@Pao234 HE-F is actually quite potent on old tanks like the t64 if used on the Hull or turret roof. Since in reality life tabk on tank warfare, it isn't necessary to kill the crew or detonate ammo to knock out a tank. Simply tracking it, destroying the engine, destroying the optics, can render an otherwise perfectly undamaged vehicle useless.
If we talk about the effectiveness of the relic, during the entire operation, the tanks have never made their way to those places where there is this dynamic protection, which may indicate a high degree of protection.
0:59 Oh my gawd.........that makes me claustrophobic just watching that guy squeeze into that hatch.
bm oplot just renamed from - Т-80УД (1987) СССР. Its only things what you must know about it.
Is there any guide on production costs of both? Because at the end of the day that would be more decisive.
After doing a quick Google search: -BM Oplot: 4 million USD -T-90M: 1.6 million USD
Not really... During war times cost is not a factor. Only the the number of factories and the speed at which they are made. For example the US could produce thousands of the latest abrams if a war were to start even though the price of the tank is very high, but Briton couldn't produce even older challengers even if they are cheaper because of the limited production capacity
T90m i believe is 4-5 million. Oplot on the other hand is only 3 tanks. So the price is higher most likely. If the Ukrainians produced more oplots before the war the price could've been on par or somewhat lower than the t90m price
@@squidysnose69 but as things are we are talking about comparing fords production rate to ferrari’s.
@@squidysnose69 I think it's like 20-60 tanks each month. With them expecting to increase that number even more. Russia has switched to a war time economy so there aren't any real restrictions.
On paper, the T-90M is the superior tank (aside from the reverse issue). Of course, it isn't just the tank that matters, but the crew and supporting elements, so that somewhat evens it out. Perhaps in the future we will see a BM Oplot-2 which addresses these problems.
If Ukraine is planning on producing the BM-Oplot now, it will likely get upgrades. Its over a decade old design that has barely any produced so they won't be upgrading existing vehicles, but making new ones. And if they are setting up a factory to make new vehicles, its a easy opportunity to upgrade its systems.
And the reverse issue makes it on paper a worse tank. The other T90M advantage are very small and situational. The reverse speed is not, as the war in Ukraine shows. You’re much more likely to survive a battle in an Oplot with its reverse speed and better armor than in any T90M. Side armor in the carousel or not.
@@Grimshak81 typical ukr. shill. It is absolutely not important , not as much as the ukr. shills led you to believe. On top of that ,nothing prevents you from turning around and using the full forward speed, as it only takes a few seconds. It is absolutely not the deciding factor in effectiveness of those tanks. As the absolutely majority of tanks are being destroyed while getting to the target and not while trying to reverse back.
The entire Oplot tank is on paper only.
Чтобы сделать оплот надо 2 танка так как оба корпуса разрезаются не много в разных местах и потом свариваются😂 это для того что бы увеличить отсек МТО, а про защищённость вообще ничего нельзя сказать т к нет боевых подтверждений её эффективности, а то что Украина сможет из производить это вообще нонсенс
many thanks
I wonder... KMDB had, from time to time, showed a NATO-standard smoothbore 120mm gun fitted to various tanks. Considering current troubles with sourcing ammunition for Ukraine, I wonder if they might partly revive the Yatagan (T-84-120) for the restared production of T-84M/BM Oplot, or at least its gun and bustle autoloader...
they could. and in that case they Bm oplot could use modern nato ammunition like DM 63
Would it be possible to fit a T-90M turret onto a T-72 and update it to T-90 standards?
T-90M is basically upgraded T-72, it's nothing special really
@@BloPsy__ My man chose to type the most uninformed sentence to this date. Imagine comparing a T-72 to a T-90. Thats like comparing two entirely different SUVs to one another.
Problem with T90M? Shitty reverse speed Problem with BM Oplot? About as real as my wife's moans
It exists in Thailand
FINALLY SOME LONGER VIDEO
Me personally, for Russia, they should just abandon the T-14 project and start allocating all those funds towards the T-90M, constantly improving on the design, especially it’s reverse speed. It’s a pretty decent tank all-around.
Probably the most cost-effective *modern* MBT in the world.
I feel like the T-64 style autoloader does have one thing that you neglected to mention: It isn't inherently worse because the charges themselves are placed behind the main composite and explosive reactive armour sets of the tank, meaning that any shot that strikes them would have probably killed the crew anyhow, since they would have to have penetrated the upper front plate or the side of the tank. The T-72 style autoloader simply places them really low down, which makes them lower profile and thus harder to hit in any case, but that also means that the charges are not placed behind armour - if a projectile was to come in at a downward angle, enter the lower frontal plate, or a mine was to detonate below the vehicle, the T-72 autoloader is still equally vulnerable, if not more vulnerable. So, in a sense, I don't really think that it matters too much in this regard, and that the T-64 autoloader might just be a little better because of the speed improvement: if it's faster and has such a little impact on the vehicle's survivability, then it has to at least be able to be considered as a superior option, or at least on par.
i never seen a clip of a mine setting of a t72/t90 ammo tho.
The autoloaders are functionally the same, everything you said about T-64 autoloader applies to T-72 as well, except the T-72+ is more modern
@@icetea8946 Well, i'm saying it's a /possibility/. A mine could easily set off a T-64 autoloader's ammunition as well.
@@phunkracy The T-64-style autoloader and the T-72 style autoloader are entirely different designs? What do you mean by that? They're not functionally the same, and if they were, they would have picked one over the other instead of complicating things with two separate designs - there is /clearly/ at least some difference.
we're seeing a lot of top-down attacks in the current conflict. armour on top is definitely a bonus
I remember watching a Ukrainian tank unit video going over how they abandoned their T-84 cause it was getting overrun. They came back and it was still there so they retrieved it. I also remember how the tank commander said he had 6 T-84 BM Oplots also didn't Thailand sign a procurement contract for 48 T-84s so theres bound to be more than 6 as surely those that were meant for export were put into Ukrainian service
They were facing production issues before the war, which is why they struggled to provide the tanks to the Thai in the first place. They might have more but still a tiny number I would imagine.
@@GrassMudHorseLand ahh I see
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@@GrassMudHorseLand They were facing production issues because of the invasion of Crimea. They finished delivery to Thailand in 2018, leaving them a few years to replenish their own stocks.
@@justamicrowave2572 yep, but they barely finished their promised batch to the point the additional contracted tank were cancelled. Giving how slow they were building hem during relatively peaceful time, it’s unlikely they have any moderate number of them even during the 2-3 years time.
Actual problem for T-90M is poor reverse speed. But BM Oplot is their availability and numbers. nice video ❤
Cool thanks 👍.
Even if Ukraine had a wunderwaffe tank or a cheaper off the shelf one, I would question its production. Russia has historic and greater capability to produce tanks. So this video should just be seen as a fun one.
If they have enough parts left to repair/more t90ms use of western imports means they can't get more parts. Perhaps they made their own replacement, otherwise good luck.
@@RhomasTotevenaar chinese parts to replace western imports
@@RhomasTotevenaar they already use newer domestic one on the new batch, the old batch still have mix components. yeah T-90 is so bad that still operating in the war and UVZ keep producing it in parallel upgrading the old one
Can you review the upgrade T54B of the Vietnamese People Army?
I dont think they are that special :') better than stock one for sure but facing enemy modern tank then i dont think the outcome would be always positive.
@@annguyenlehoang7779 still worth a video though
Can you make a video on the T-80UM2 and similar cancelled projects? The Black Eagle is particularly interesting because of the western-style autoloader
compare the T-90M with the challenger 2, Leopard 2A6 and M1 Abrams, would be a much more appropriate comparison given current battlefield conditions
T-90 M has abysmal reverse speed i hope they can fix that problem.
There is already a solution but it isn't used
@@bicopgameryttm7266 if there would already be a solution, this wouldn't be a problem. Having developed a transmission is not enough, you need to organise production, logistics and then meet demands of russian army. It's better to have 10 T-90M with abysmal reverse speed than 2 with good one
T-90M - mass production, Oplot- prototype?
Yes
T90 has got to be the best looking tank ever, I still can't decide which variant looks better, the M has a very nice slope but I like the "eyes" of the others.
can you compare the T-84U and the T-90a? since T-84U is the tank that is in active service in Ukraine
So Ukraine's "brilliant" idea is to field Leo 1's with a 105mm (L7 ammo), AMX-10RC's with a medium pressure 105mm (not compatible with L7 ammo), Challenger 2's with 120mm rifled ammo (2-piece not compatible with 120mm smoothbore ammo), Leo 2's & Abrams with 120mm smoothbore ammo, and are putting into production a design that has a 125mm 2A46 compatible ammo cannon? Whoever is the head of their logistics just walked over to the front lines waving a white flag, to hand himself over to Russian forces. Sounds like a totally sane, war winning strategy that could only be cooked up by NATO and Ukrainian officials.
@ 15:33 "hundreds of T-90M tanks"... more like thousands. The estimate so far is 1000 since March 2022.
@@CH3TN1K313 Hundreds is accurate, why would you mobilize old stockpile if you had thousands of the best tank they have. Don't even mention the cope of that they are just using the old tanks for indirect fire, its idiotic to expose tank crews in outdated tanks unless you want to have less mouths to feed.
Also Abrams n Leopard guns are a bit different You can’t put Abrams gun in leopard or leopard gun in Abrams so yeah it’s even more mess up ( M256 and L-44 )
I mean they are able to wield all sorts of Artillery systems, both western and soviets, as well as an insane amount of fighting vehicles from around the world. Who says they can do that with tanks?
@@mbtenjoyer9487 They may be different guns but they use the same ammunition.
isn't Leo2A6 the currently best ukrainan tank?
Think he meant homemade best tank
Yes and no No because its not a Ukrainian built tank and because it will probably destroy Ukraines logistics and yes because it's a leo 2a6
Its the best tank in Ukrainian service but they have less than 10 i believe. Russia has hundreds of t90m
Only a clown thinks Western tanks are better than T-90M. Wait until they are destroyed of course they'll be excuses made. Wrong soil type for Leopard 2 and Challenger 2s or whatever the media says. Just like Ukraine still holds Bakhmut. 🤡
@@squidysnose69 MFW when they just drive them around a block with new numbers added like with cold war bombers.
Research for Oplot's performance in international trials and no questions would remain. Additionally, research for the export Oplot program. And there Is about 500 90ms are in active service
Was maybe 200 altogether and that was before the war intensified in 22.
2 fixes to the t90m revers speed = new transmission and replacing the caracel to having a system like the type10 theyve done it before there capable of making it
In 2018 I had an idea of integrating drone technology to infantry especially the tank. Saddly here in Africa, dreams never come true. All modern tanks need an Unmanned Aerial Vehicle for proper Optical Reconnaissance... That's the problem the T90M faces!
And also one or two deployable Lancets could be great
By the way, you could probably get a scholarship to go study abroad, though. I believe Russia has such programs, and other European countries may too
@@Pao234_ working on it, though it is hard for sure
I think you stole that idea from me lol. But it is hard to implement properly.
BM OPLOT has better protection T-90M has better FCS and firepower
And in reality both can't pen each other😂
@@bicopgameryttm7266true 😂
@@bicopgameryttm7266 that would be sight for sore eyes. Imagine the battle of steel
@@bicopgameryttm7266 "Yo guys wanna keep on shooting at each other until we ran out of ammo and we resolve the duel in a fist fight?" "Yes"
@@Average_Slav Well, slavic blood runs through both sides, after all
"nož" means knife. English people cant read this but "nož" was the Ukranian ERA that cuts the heat.
Maximum torque does not determine acceleration. Power output is the only thing that matters, as long as the gearing rates are correct. A less torquey engine just needs a higher final drive ratio.
They can expect a cruise missile incoming to the factory that resumes production.
nah they always hit the malls
@@TheOnlyKingBee Only if Ukr is using them as a base for their military or such a mall is next to a military site.
@@user-dp4ok9ox5w of course why would they otherwise?
The factory will probably be in Poland, Slovakia or Romania.
@@andrew2353 HOI4 offmap factories..
0:06 will be continuing ? when did it start ? come on Ukraine
Hey could you make a video about the B2 centauro?
3BM60 is more of an exhibition piece rather than actually being bought in numbers. We saw 3BM42 as recent batch as 2018 from this war.
Except that it had been used in Ukraine as shown in this video
The first kill on a t90m was done with a 60 year old weapon system . The Swedish Carl Gustav..
Atgm and drones make tank obsolete
It wasn't by a Carl Gustav the video was edited. The tank was already abandoned before the Gustav hit it.