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When a series about chainsaw bike swords has more depth in its story than the average Young Adult Novel.
Tbh that's not much of an accomplishment when you take into account the quality of most YA stories.
Enuma Elish I feel like people are forgetting to write for the sake of making an enjoyable story and are instead writing for the sake of getting it adapted or to make a franchise Just my opinion though and I know that not all writers are like that
Shots fired
Sarah Boucher Or get to caught up in their own ideas of a world or concept and forget to make good characters
DMC's depth is so underappreciated.
Vergil's apparent death hit him hard during DMC3, by after the events of DMC2 he discovered that he has a nephewand that vergil is still alive So he became the fun uncle
well he didn't know Vergil was alive until 5 but he definitely knew Nero was Vergil's son, he mentions it himself in 5
Girls night out cutscene showed Dante being less depressed and that was before he met Nero
@@gamechanger8908 I mean, would you become happier if two of your old closest friends come back to work with you again after all those years
@@EmiiLin1 DMC anime had them being there but he was still depressed, something might of happened in DMC4 though and it wasn't Nero
well, in dmc4 we actually see that he was fun and careless before he evn met nero; so no
It's almost like they cared about the design and personality of the character instead of trying to make him an edgelord. Imagine that.
“I’m 14 and this is deep”. Dante lost his personality long time ago. Now he’s just a clown.
@@artyombychkov2134 He can be a clown because He's so Powerful no demon can Step up to him which why Nero Exists. The Clown here is you for not understanding that.
@@artyombychkov2134 why did you suddenly name the subredit where most of your online activities are recorded???
Артем Бычков ‘A Clown.’ Have you NOT seen his reaction to Vergil coming back? I don’t think he was clowning around then.
@@artyombychkov2134 no dont worry. 5 brought him back. The remake isint normal now. He lost his personality in that for sure but its fixed now.
The line "Devils Never Cry" isn't a remark on Dante's stoicness (at least, in anywhere not DMC3) or how one must be tough, but a statement on the compassion of people, on how it's okay to cry. A person without remorse, or a "devil," would not cry- Therefore, Dante is still human. Or, at least, that's the interpretation I've gone on it. Granted, there could be a lot of ways to read it!
That's pretty much what it's about
When the shop was renamed Devils Never Cry at the end of 1 and then immediately changed back makes me lol
@@realbattleonfilm8299 He was just kinda doing it in the moment, y'know? Just a phase.
It's a fine interpretation, but I'm sure what ABI is getting at is that much of the series post-DMC3 and retroactively didn't quite follow through on that chosen theme on the writer's part. At best, the theme carries over to DMC4 Nero who cries with as much depth and subtlety as a shonen anime protagonist (they knew exactly what they were doing casting JYB as him as well as Stephanie Sheh's Kyrie), even if it's somewhat appropriate for the scenario.
The game could not be more clear about it, dante literally says it out loud
"Imagine Dante's surprise when Kylo Ren steps into his office and tells him that Virgil is still alive and is trying to grow a giant demon space tree" I mean, who could blame him? I would be surprised too
suichilegend He wasn’t just surprised, he was downright PISSED. So pissed off that Dante nearly popped his Devil Trigger when V told him Vergil was back
Fun fact: vergil too historically is depicted as black and blue, which makes you really think if kamiya picked the design before the references or if it really was just a coincidence.
he picked blue for vergil to contrast dante
@@mvscowner ok, but so did people in the '600s?
@@iota-09 OH
Yes, they probably did Cos Divine Comedy Though really the mirror to Virgil is Beatrice
iota-09 Kamiya didn’t design Vergil. Well Nelo Angelo yes but the Vergil we know is by Itsuno
I genuinely love that "Wacky woohoo pizza man" has permeated the fanbase to the point that nearly everyone calls Dante that in some capacity.
"Dante is basically the Will Smith of video games" hearing this line and the explanation behind it felt like getting a Jimmy Neutron brain blast, IT'S TOO ACCURATE TO BE REAL
Comparing dante to will smith is an insult
@@elpoompoomwarrior ok how
@@gil_11 cuz dante's son didn't make a video clip with justin biber
@@elpoompoomwarrior not yet
@@gibbsj195 lmao
I love how at face value Dante is as shallow as any other generic action hero, but if you start digging just a little deeper you'll find a surprisingly large amount of depth to not just his characters, but the whole series's theme about family. I'll say though, I'm a little sad you didn't go in depth on his different designs through the games, as well as his animations, how good/bad they are, and how they portray his personality and fighting style.
You never know, more analysis for the future 😉
The same happened with God of War. No, seriously take a look at the games and the things Kratos had to go through (don't forget the psp games). I mean...the first game starts with the guy trying to kill himself and that's just the beginning.
I can smell a part 2 of this..
I love that Dante's fighting style boils down to, "I saw this cool shit in an action movie I saw, let me see if I can do it" and then his enhanced physiology just lets him get away with ANYTHING.
Revyan Thank you for that. I get made fun of for trying to tell people GoW is deep. Glad someone else understands.
Side note: in the ongoing manga " Vision of V", Dante's reaction when V tells him Vergil is back is basically being super pissed off and says something along the line of "You better pick a better name when you are lying about the job" and scared the crap out of V.
That's ongoing? Christ, i thought it was done, got something to look forward to now.
I thought it ended already!
@@blueberryshake333 it continues off between Prologue and Chap 1
lmaooo that's what he gets for telling the truth, he deserves it for being so goddamn shady XD
The first time I saw Nero's hair in DMC5 I giggled. I even got the DmC vibe from Nero, except likeable. He has the rebellious nature, but the rebellious nature of a teenager who feels berated by his mentor: acting cool and snarky whenever he can, but getting angry when overwhelmed or around Dante. I really liked that, and it makes his character arc so much more meaningful. Or maybe I'm misinterpreting that, I don't know lol
Did you just call him DEADWEIGHT?!
HitsujiMamoru Nero is basically what Donte tried to be, but failed
Honestly, this is a pretty accurate description of Nero’s arc in DMCV
I humbly request a full version of Devils Never Cry on the kazoo now.
agree
I concur.
Big yes
Hell yeah
I want to know If there is link. I need to play that theme for my friend
"not in a million years..." Wow a million years is faster than i thought
Oh my god, you mean a character can have development? Who would have guessed...
@@BlackoutAttax its joke, don't take such offense to it lol
@@gibbsj195 I doubt it.
@@BlackoutAttax the joke is the fact that he said he would never have white hair and then his hair turned white within a matter of days.
@@gibbsj195 Just like OG Dante would have said to becoming a protector of humanity, or Lady would have said about being allies with a demon. The white hair represents Dante's growth, it's a form of foreshadowing.
“Dino” EXCUSE ME SIR! His name... is “Donte”
El Exterminador del Demonios
Que te jodan!
El Donte
25:00. His peak moment UNFORTUNATELY
Um, I think there should be an 'El' in there somewhere
This is my first time hearing him called “Dino”. I’ve always heard of him as Don’te or Donte.
Dante In Name Only
sm0l Mane I get that, he explained it in the video. I'm just saying that this is my first time hearing that name
@@otisthecan3112 soz didnt watch the full video
@@2fingacriminal Not as bad as “Vino”, “they did you dirty” indeed… 😓
IMO the reason Dante was quieter in DMC TAS and DMC2 was depression over the fact his brother is actually gone to the point of his only real joy anymore being pizza and ice cream (which dates back to the DMC1 and 2 novels and was cheekily brought back by Madhouse) I also like to think of the boring, mundane jobs in DMC TAS as how his work usually goes, with him being used to coldly dispatching enemies who are too weak to even be worthy quipping on like he did with the Order Knights at the start of DMC4
He's super depressed and eats Pizza and Ice cream every day as a coping mechanism. Like me when I was in college, except the carbs don't make him bloat like a diabetic blimp.
@@harrisonlichtenberg3162 He's got the metabolism of sparda
Its just developer sin
@@harrisonlichtenberg3162 It's all about that demonic Metabolism brotha
DOOMGUY: *kills all the demons because of anger issues* KRATOS: *kills all the gods because of anger issues* DANTE: *kills all the demons while having fun with style*
ASURA: *kills all the demi-gods and god himself because of anger issues*
The Demons killed Doomguy's pet bunny Daisy. That's why he returned to Hell in Thy Flesh Consumed. His anger issues comes from Daisy being murdered and I think that's nice. Doomslayer is a good boi who likes animals.
@@MrRoMaGi I mean Doomslayer & Isabelle from Animal Crossing got strong sibling vibe.
@@chrisrockett5897 capcom saw all the top angry to die memes and took it as a challenge
@@chrisrockett5897 To be fair... They killed his wife and made his daughter cry. So I say that warrants a literal GODLY amount of ass-beating.
I hope kazoo versions of songs for wack moments about the characters you're discussing become a consistent thing in design shops because it makes me laugh every time. XD
SAME
I find Dante and Nero´s personality very similar to Terry Bogard and Rock Howard
They're cool dudes too I guess that's fine aha
Would be pretty wild if they ever teamed up together 😉
Actually Dante's personality is based off a character named Cobra from Space Adventure Cobra
@@Tony-oh that is the best Easter egg 😉 Space Adventure Cobra is awesome.
@@kadosho02 especially the Rugball arc
It's small, but I do want to point something out here. Dante's guns are generally awful unless using the Gunslinger style. Styles are demonic power. Even the basic act of shooting Ebony & Ivory in Gunslinger turns into a hailstorm of bullets that shreds through healthbars lightning fast. Furthermore, almost every single demon enemy in the entire series is portrayed with a severe lack of skill. Look at every sword wielding enemy that is not either a human or made from a human or someone with human characteristics. Berial, for example, may wield a sword, but uses it with all the finesse of a club, while Credo in the same game has a very rapid, fluid, and graceful style to it. Even Nero, the brute of the playable characters, is shown using his weapon in novel and inventive ways, while Urizen, who is literally inheriting all of Vergil's power, is brutish and relies entirely on overwhelming power with no true grasp of how to use it, which is best shown in his fast, but clumsy melee attacks in the final fight. Attacks that could be utterly devastating if he understood how to thread them together in the same way that Credo, Cavalier Angelo, and Vergil did. Dante's design is that of a human wielding demonic power. Even in 5, his Sin Devil Trigger, while intensely powerful, is prone to leaving him completely open to attack and needs to be managed very carefully lest you get killed for using it. His guns are at their best when he is using them as a conduit for demonic power, and his blades are at their best with the skill and finesse that the demons of the series lack entirely. Even back in 1, the frescos and such showed knights battling demons, showing it had been going on long before Sparda switched sides, and that humanity held its own in spite of the weakness shown physically all through the series. And Sparda himself chose to live basically as a human. Dante's design is the apotheosis of power in the setting, and stands in stark contrast not just to his surroundings, but to the very beliefs of the villains. Vergil wanted power and rejected his humanity, and it only made him weaker in the end. Arkham believed humans were weak, and ended up dead at Lady's hand. And Trish only became more powerful and more capable as the series progressed, and yet is constantly displayed with twin handguns, human weapons, in spite of being purely demonic in nature.
I'm surprised he didn't point out the major changes like Dante's face in 4 to make Nero more appealing and everyone's faces in 5 aswell as Nero looking like Donte and Dante not having a flashy outfit for the first time in the series.
Holy crap dude this is brilliant
Something I saw pointed out on TVTropes that runs parallel to this: particularly in DMC V, but throughout the series, human blood is often used to augment or power demonic rituals and magic. As someone with both human AND demon blood, Dante and Vergil are theoretically all the more powerful BECAUSE they have the power of the human blood in their veins that they can tap into and augment with their demon halves. The fact that they have humanity to tap into literally makes them more powerful, which is further illustrated by how Dante handily beats Urizen even after he eats the qliphoth apple, but fights to a stalemate later when Vergil is whole once again. Hell, Nero who has MORE human blood inside of him, is quite possibly more powerful than Dante by the end of Devil May Cry 5, seeing that he actually beats Vergil and is able to hold back both brothers, who, it should be noted, are in their souped up devil trigger forms at the time, with his new standard-power devil trigger. So, in the world of Devil May Cry, being more in touch with your humanity makes you all the more powerful.
@@Cuiasodo there's also the fact that nero managed to land a hit on urizen during his rematch, making him potentially stronger than dante was during the prologue, or at the very least more stubborn
I think your logic is backwards; how can style be a demonic power when demonic enemies as you said are often portrayed handling their weapons without style or grace, and only partial human characters fight with skill?
So that is why vergil only have devil arms, because he only cares about his demonic side. To have power.
He also thinks that guns are not a warrior's weapon (according to DMC3 Character Files)
@@nathanielbaldevino5364 Which is exactly the point, I think.
It's a pretty consistent thread, yeah. DMC5 makes this clear even in Vergil's theme: "Bury the Light" is a reference to how he believes he must suppress or discard his humanity to obtain power, which of course is also illustrated by him splitting himself into V and Urizen. Contrast with Nero's theme: the line "embrace the darkness that's within me" refers to him accepting his demonic side that he'd been hiding before 4's story kicked off, but he doesn't feel the need to reject his human side in the process. Nero finds power in accepting all of himself, a lesson Vergil is slower to learn.
14:50 - maybe it was exactly _because_ he met Nero. Dante said in DMC5 that he had a suspicion that Nero is Vergil's son when he first saw him. Note that before Nero's Devil Bringer was revealed Dante was *_silent_* and acted more like his DMC1 and 2 self except that little "sword wroom wroom" joke. After that, and especially after seeing _repared_ Yamato in Nero's hand, he returned to his "wacky woohoo" style. I think these points you made in the video were helping too, but knowledge that he still has a family truly brought him back.
That doesnt make any sense considering lady and trish's opening cutscene
@@73juro He wasn't "wacky woohoo" guy there either. Granted, he didn't have to be, but still he acted more like his anime self there.
@@73juro if you watched the Anime He only acted like that with his "family", anyone who is a stranger he acts cool.
Hmm, you got a trick up your sleeve
7:00 the guns(specifically E&I) aren't meant to do a lot of damage, there mainly supposed to help you control your enemy in the air(sometimes on the ground as well) and connect disparate moves in a combo that normally would've whiffed if it wasn't for there intervention, you probably already know this but I felt like pointing this out since there are many people who genuinely think that
What you're saying applies to the gameplay but according to the story it's just his preference (I think)
Naruto Namikaze The Same reasoning as to why anyone mains Gunslinger.
Lord Blue Balls EX “Guns don’t fo a lot of damage.” - DMC 2 had entered the chat.
@@user-my2qs1tn3d I mean... it's kind of both, when you think about it. The guns are almost essential to keeping combos flowing, which is a major part of being stylish, which is explicitly something Dante is trying to do. So... it's both? Oh, and, as for guns not doing a lot of damage, almost only applies to Ebony and Ivory. There are quite a few very powerful guns that can just melt demons if used appropriately. Like, tell me Kalina Ann doesn't do a ton of damage.
Most importantly in DMC3 if you are trying to not land on the floor during a boss fight for various reasons like ice (Cerberus) or electricity (Nevan) E&I are really helpful at keeping you in the air longer.
Actually dante knew about nero, he didn't meet him by accident you can see him in the opening cut scene observing nero. Really liked the video just wanted to point out he is probably happy again cause he finds virgils son
I don't think that's true at all. Dante was there to do a mission; take down the church. Nero, I reckon, just caught his eye. In DMCV Dante literally says that he wasn't sure when he first saw Nero. He only knew for certain after seeing how the Yamato reacted. Check out the scene in DMCV: kzhead.info/sun/jNuem6t-qGdjeY0/bejne.html
@@amarntsitran3406 I know he says that but he couldn't be sure cause it was too good to be true , I think he was spying on Nero to be sure that's why he let him go at the mission alone if he wanted to Dante could ve cleared that whole mission by himshelf and rather easily, instead he wanted to see Nero grow and discover his legacy as a descendant of sparda on who could in time protect the world
@@gokujimis Honestly, this is nothing but your own head-canon. The games never say or even infer what you're talking about.
@@amarntsitran3406Perhaps I am wrong and just read too much into that one moment. I still like to think of it like that but to each their own, you are right there is no concrete evidence of it beeing like I said it is
@@gokujimis Dante was really playing around, his hunches only came to be when He confronted Nero once he used Devil Bringer. Canonically, Demons can sense other demon including the Sparda Bloodline, and that applies to Dante as shown in the Anime. To clear it up for DMC4 Intro:Saw Nero fighting Demons singlehandedly which interested him. Church fight: Testing Nero after seeing his Intro fight, Dante senses Demon power on Nero and curious why he wasn't using it Church fight 2: Dante become curious once Nero shows his Devil Bringer. Ala familiar "stench". Dante Boss fight: Affirmation of his Hunches once he enters with Yamato in hand and resonating with him perfectly. The thing I love about DMC4 is that its very subtle with the dialouge and camera which made Lore hunting a blast.
Also, visually, Vergil adopts V's colors far more in 5 and has a ton of subtle touches to his design through the fight that suggest that he's changed as a person in very significant ways. Even his facial expressions differ between the fight with Dante and Vergil. His expressions are much more pained when fighting Nero even when doing the exact same attacks. With Dante, he's clearly complete absorbed in the fight, to the point where he blurts things out without even thinking only to realize what was said later. Against Nero though, every part of his dialogue suggests he's taking it in the moment, and the fight makes him extremely uncomfortable. And in the end, he loses to someone who grew up as a human, only just acquired the power they had as teenagers, and he is clearly shown as being more skilled than Nero (The buster shows that Vergil can effortlessly open Nero's defense up in a straight clash), and yet Nero can endure an injury that brought Dante to his knees and brings Vergil to his, at least long enough to return the favor. Reading into the visuals and how Vergil reacts, it suggests he finally has some grasp on what's important in the series. Family and humanity.
AnemoneMeer You don’t even have to look that deep to see that he’s changed. For one, he no longer wears the permanent icy glare on his face that he’s so known for. He can be seen smirking, smiling, and even chuckling, which you would never catch the old Vergil doing. His general demeanor is also much more relaxed and less uptight than before. He still has a superior air about him, but now he‘s doing things reflecting on the fateful day that Eva was killed, speaking less formally that he usually does (he tells Dante “we got plenty of time), and he even gives Nero one of the only things that he truly cherishes. He’s most definitely not the same Vergil we knew before.
@@fissilewhistle well tbf, the whole game, he spent most his time as a weak, dying human and having to rely on his Familiars, thus learning teamwork and was also reading poetry showing his now more into knowledge rather then power. And meanwhile, his demon side, who was suppose to he him as his mac power in his eyes, loses to Dante with only moderate difficulty showing his old belief system wasn't entirely true. Nero was just the icing on the cake to his development
honestly that description at the end hit super close to home for me, it's super true and honestly Dante is a great representation of growing up and finding yourself and funnily enough I think Donte fits a space between DMC 3 and 1's Dante as it's a young guy discovering EVERYTHING IS FUCKED, EVERYBODY SUCKS and has it's own sense of rebellion (also low key DmC definitive edition is fun stuff)
I still think a DmC alternate history could world I came up with Lucia as a cool place to start Look up Saint Lucia, only hint I will give >;)
@@Ramsey276one DmC could work if they treated it like Mega-Man X, yeah it mega man but different. Also Lucia is amazing as She is the only good thing about DMC2, her name sake is the only good thing about Paridiso and is hella fun to play in the god awful Dante's Inferno
@@bishop6881 I agree Gotta check if the Switch has all DMC games...
we grow with Dante with each passing game
Tl;dr: Dante cool. Games very fun. Thank you for your time. Also that clip at the end was magical lmfao. Loved it.
25:35 Actually Dante does drink. He has an entire bar in his office, and his favorite drink is Jack Daniels whiskey. He's just not an alcoholic about it.
Something awesome about the start of DMC 4 is that before the main event of the game even starts, we see Dante looking at Nero who is killing demons in his way to the church, Dante is already interested in this kid, he seems to see something in him, later when the fight in the church starts, Dante is in full DMC 2/Anime mode, killing and doing his job in a souless even brutal way, until Nero challenges him to a fight, after a small skirmish with guns, Dante starts to behave like his DMC 1 version, mocking Nero without saying anything, just small things like reving Rebellion, almost as if just like in DMC 1, Dante is having fun, but doesn't want to fully open up, afraid of getting hurt again, at the end of the fight, when Nero continuisly punches him in the face, Dante starts to Devil Trigger (almost like in the first Vergil fight of DMC 3) and finishes this encounter with Nero being the woohoo pizza funny guy that we know and love, he goes trough a very important personality arc, by fighting with Nero, his nephew, by finding Vergil's son, not only does Dante find out he still has a family, he finds out he has a second chance to do things right, and is only after seeing Nero use the Yamato (meaning that he really is Vergil's son) that Dante goes absolutly insante, being even more woohoo pizza man than before, until at the end of the game, after finally digesting this huge discovery, Dante leaves Fortuna leaving the Yamato to Nero, more chill, and more happy than before, knowing for the first time, all is good in his world. I also love that the first time we hear Dante brake the "Hero that doesn't use bad words rule", is when for the firt time since the dead of his mother, he returns to his childhood home, and finds it in ruins, by the action of his brother
Abi forgot to mention that DMC took inspiration from the series Space Adventure Cobra, where Dante got his cocky attitude and "hero in red" gimmick from the MC, Cobra. Furthermore Lady also took her name from Lady Armadroid (Lady for short), Cobra's partner.
I didnt know about this
10:48 “Dante.....is a *_DORK._* “ DAMN SKIPPY!
The big head canon at the beginning of devil may cry 4 is that Dante at this point has just been going from Mission to Mission feeling alone in the world because theres really no one else like him who understands him and mourning his brother. Then he meets Nero. Not sure what he is at first but gets that same enjoyment he got out of fighting his brother so we see Dante open up. Going from straight up silent to talking a bit to for once enjoying a job.
3:20 Holy shit, It never even occurred to me! Ragna’s theme song is Rebellion. Excellent analysis A.B.I.
wanderingslacker And all I ever hear about my boy Ragna is "He's the lovechild of Dante and Sol Badguy." At least, from people who don't play BlazBlue.
you forgot the most important part of dante's cool phase: the part where he helped the demi-fiend kill lucifer in SMT: Nocturne. Don't try and tell anyone it's non-canon either, that game is the reason why kazuma kaneko even worked on DMC3 at all.
that doesn't really make it canon though
31:02 that was- so needed right now. That whole section just makes me relate with Dante more than ever.
A bit of an oversight on Ebony & Ivory, they're technically both magical and man-made. The bullets are extremely powerful magical bullets that can't be handled by any normal guns. That was until a weaponsmith designed guns that can handle the bullet's full capacity. Thus came Ebony & Ivory. So, in a way, they're both sort of devil arms AND just regular guns (Especially since Dante is capable of just one shotting demons weaker than him with them)
The Bullets are normal bullets , Dante infuses the bullets with bits of his power which most Handguns could not handle without breaking. The guns themselves are mostly normal just custom made but that magazine might be magical with how he doesn't reload.
Savon Torres As far as I know, the infinite ammo has something to do with Dante's demonic powers, since it happens to all weapons he picks up, even regular human weapons. Though as far as ammunition goes, it's confirmed that Dante transfers his Devil Energy to any weapon he wields, making them more powerful, which is how they are effective against demons.
Devin Boone Yeah, I’ve always wondered why he never reloads...
Moral of the Story: *Parents suck....or it's complicated*
Here’s to hoping you do one for Vergil and Nero. Loved this episode, man.
Yeah , specially for Vergil.
Every character in the series that interacts with Nero: "Nero!" Narrator: "Nairo"
The strawberry sundaes may have been a childhood remembrance for him. A sort of "coping mechanism" when he feels down or depressed. In DMC5 there's a secret photo after S ranking the mission where you have to fight Griffon, Shadow and Nightmare and it's their "final flight" and Dante says his farewells. The image depicts Dante eating a strawberry sundae again, alone and looking pretty depressed. DMC anime Dante was probably where his depression began after losing Vergil, his only remaining family member, again. There's a video on KZhead that's a theory on anime Dante being depressed, and it's very interesting. Spending time alone in bars, his change in attitude, the point towards alchohol in the ending, his attitude and of course the ending itself is weirdly somber for an anime about DMC. So the sundaes could be his coping mechanism whenever he feels down.
Wanna point out that the DMC1 and 2 novels had strawberry sundaes as Dante's weakness all the way back in 2006
I REALLY am uncomfortable from your profile picture. Where can I find it?
I'd heard that Devil May Cry was based on a glitch found in Onimusha Warlords, which was itself supposed to be a Resident Evil game, just set in medieval Japan. In Onimusha Warlords, there was a glitch that was fixed during development that allowed the player to constantly juggle an enemy. Or, perhaps both are right, and OW's glitch was what lead to the Resident Evil with a stylish hero idea having been conceived.
One thing I want to point out about DMC 2 Dante, the coin shtick is all an act, to make him *seem* cold and uncaring, while secretly still being a massive dork. Lucia sees after Dante gives her the coin it was double sided, the whole thing is a gimmick and Dante has been actively choosing to help her all along.
I love the idea of tracking a character's growth across an entire series and how that's reflected in their character design. I wish there were more games in your wheelhouse that did that.
As a wise man said, "The Maturity is achieved when a man can link with its former itself but this time he has the experience and the mind to face the young mistakes and solve it with ease"
Capcom should reintroduce Dino as the Dan Hibiki of Devil May Cry.
I unironically love this idea. Where do I sign?
The only problem is that Dino is just boring Nero
Who’s Dino?
@@skullkid720 Correct answer.
He should be some failed clone of Dante who has to accept he's not the real thing.
The number of people who completely misunderstand the Dino VS Mundus talking scene is infuriating, and I HATE DmC. Thankfully I already wrote a Gamefaqs post about this. - Don't make me do this again because I really don't like DmC. The entire scene was Dante trying to get Mundus angry enough to let his guard down because it was part of Vergil's plan. At first Mundus asks "Why'd you kill my child". Dante goes with silence. Mundus gets up and asks again, clearly annoyed. Dante says "Because you killed my mother". Mundus goes "Oh, revenge" in a tone suggesting "yeahokay, I can see that". Dante sees that it's not working so he quickly jumps to "And it was for freedom", which pisses Mundus off more. Then Mundus goes off on his monologue (which was full of good points I'll add). It literally takes Vergil going "Come on Dante, piss him off" for Dante to drop the "It was for freedom" angle and double down on the Revenge aspect, which he plays up as hard as he can by basically going "I KILLED YOUR KID BECAUSE I COULD AND IT WAS FUN" because he's feeling pressed for time. And thus Mundus gets real mad and the plan continues. TL:DR: He actually TRIED twice to troll Mundus more lowkey in that scene. It didn't work, and he really needed him to go off, so when he failed the first two times (and with some motivation from Vergil) he went "fuck it" and went as extreme as possible. - That Dante actually does fight for freedom though. It's the reason he goes against Vergil at the end of the game, because he thinks people should be free to live their lives the way they want. It's a legitimate core value he has. Pulling that one scene out of context to dump on Dino is a bad look IMO, but now I'm done being pissy over a game I hate, the rest of the video was great.
This party is getting crazy! There I did it so no one else had to
John Chung LET’S ROCK!
*Click*....*Click Click*
15:18 According to Dante in DMC5 about Nero's lineage, "I had a hunch, but I just wasn't sure. Until I saw how you reacted to Yamato"
Checking old magazines I spotted a pic of playable Trish with the caption "Which is the Throw Bike button" DMC5. HAS A MOTORCYCLE WEAPON!
Dante: The gate to the underworld is now closed, now I can finally rest.. *Vergil, opening a portal and yeeting himself out of it with Neros arm* Vergil: *I'LL FUCKIN DO IT AGAIN*
Love your proposed timeline. That whole gap where he goes from being somber and boring/depressed to being his old self again seems like it could be the subject of a DMC game itself.
Dante is hands down my favorite representation of depression in media. The way that he swings between short periods of performative extreme emotion and long quiet depressive episodes is very accurate to a lot of people's experiences, mine included.
11:28 funny thing is in the original Japanese script he says "this has nothing to do with him", so this is probably just a mistranslation
The series only has an English voiceover for 1, 2 and 3 with the 3rd game in particular having writing support from Reuben Langdon who also did the mocap and voice for Dante. The original canon is the English final voices and subs in this case.
@@thelastgogeta yeah but it was still written in Japanese first
@@dandiestspaceman4437 I still prefer the interpretation that Vergil is just automatically disagreeing with Dante on reflex, because that's just what he does. It honestly fits the whole "We don't even really know WHY we're fighting here anymore, it's just what we do" thing the ending of V had. Of course he's going to rebut Dante trying to appeal to his humanity, it's how their relationship has worked for almost 40 years.
Devil May Cry 4 came out in 2009 not 2014. 2014 was the HD remaster.
It didn't come out in 2019 either.
@@BlackoutAttax Useless and nonsensical reply but OK.
@@lilywong9672 I think he meant 2009 cause the game actual came out in 2008
2008 and 2015, actually
@@lilywong9672 8:52, bottom right.
This was a neat character analysis for sure. It's so funny and cool that even after so much time has passed, Dante is still so beloved and iconic. And also nice to see that people by and large didn't discard him for "Dino", he's just way too lovable to let fade away into such a mess of a redesign. Like someone else mentioned, it's clear that with the original Dante, they really wanted to make him standout with genuine character and not just some flashy edgy gimmick which is the downfall of "Dino". Though I still feel like had Dino just been his own character starting his own new series as a spiritual successor towards Devil May Cry, even if he still was an edgelord, we'd have more time to grow to like him if he got a sequel game. The game series could've been called something like "Heaven Against Hell" or something cheesy like that and it could've been Deno's own story to tell. Perhaps I'm being too generous towards him but the design of him wasn't that bad, he just really needed to be his own character. Aside from that though, it's just nice that Dante will forever go down in history as "that" action hero of the 6th generation and hopefully his legacy lives on till the end of the time with the likes of Mario, Pac-Man, and the other icons before him.
We all like hatin DMC Dante, but forget we also had that CRINGE stage in our teens...
11:43 holy crap HE SAID IT
The dmc5 ending is cute seeing the two get along after all this time
“Devils never cry , But Humans do and that okay “ 32:14
Another fact of utmost importance in my opinion about Dino is that in his game he's considered to be half-demon, half-angel which is a big problem because it obviously dehumanizes him and the concept that "Devils never cry" represents goes flying out the window. He is allegedly a being that's in no way related to humans, so he does not care about them for the majority of the time...that is until the forced ending in which he suddenly finds that he cares and that he will protect humanity from Vergil's tyranny because...the girl? reasons? the plot requires him to? I always thought that the half-human part of Dante was what connected him to the player and pushed him to do good, show empathy and care for his loved ones, whilst Vergil was more in touch with his demonic side, choosing to push everyone away get the strength to both protect himself and never suffer loss again as he did with both his parent.
This is, hands down, my favorite design shop. It was GREAT to watch all around. And it also perfectly summarizes what I think about Capcom's games as a whole. Their focus might be gameplay, their stories might be crap, but they put a LOT of effort in making their characters charismatic and unique, sometimes to the point of accidentally striking gold. I'm 100% sure that Dante's development was unintentional, but that does not mean they didn't cared for him either, and that already goes a long way to appeal to fans.
Anime Dante shows his day to day life while working through depression, he did just fulfill his life's goal and kill his brother in one fell swoop after all. DMC4 Dante has had the time to process his emotions, and also he found someone else with demonic blood right at the start, so that probably put him in a good mood.
19:14 took the light away from my dark soul
“Ebony and Ivory aren’t that strong” Also Ebony and Ivory: one shots a boss demon
Gate to the underworld: exists. Vergil: [SWEATING INTENSIFIES]
Motivation intensifies.
One interesting thing I liked is when Dante pisses off Cerberus and makes him more angry so that you as a first time player can get your ass kicked by him a shit ton of times. But to make matters worse when you finally fucking win he says "too easy" lol. But the crazy thing is is that nowadays, it is too easy and I completely understand.
your analysis are always intriguing , educating and fun to watch at the same time .. much respect man
It's been a while since I watched a video this good! Thank you very much for making this. Dante will always be one of my absolute favorite characters.
I especially enjoyed the parallel between Dante's development and adulthood. Amazing video
yooooo you made a Design shop about Byleth! Cool!!!!!!!!
This reminds me of Woolie & Pat going on deep dives of DMC Lore and talking about Dante and his Depression, his parentage (and potential games from it), and various other bits, serious or otherwise.
This was one of the best vídeos i ever saw. Good job, dude
Gameplay wise the guns don't do a lot of damage as they are made to prolong a combo if enemies are to far to hit and you need time to close the gap. Story wise while Dante and Lady's guns aren't overpowered in both in-game text and cutscenes they are shown to be able to take out weak demons in a few shots. Lady moreso than Dante. Ebony and Ivory as also very interesting story wise because with Nell Goldstein being canon they represent a weapon passed to him by a parental figure he looked up too during his early demon hunting years as Tony Redgrave, similar to Rebellion. They are also specially made for him. One is modded for great accuracy and the other for rapid fire. This is because, in the novels which seem to be taken as canon until contradictory to the main games, Dante would tend to break standard fire arms as he could literally fire pistols as if they were full automatic with great precision. The guns are made to further those skills as well as keep up. Moreso they seemed to have been modified further by Dante as in-game text says he can feed some of his demonic power (during his DT) into the bullets. comparing Lady's weapons they seem to be on par if a little standard compared to Dante. Lady is only human and is slower than Dante in firing but makes up in her quantity. None the less she can take out most lesser and standard Demons with little struggle. Presumably guns can reasonably damage most demons as long as the weilder is agile enough to keep up with a Demon.
Hideki Kamiya stated that his main influence for Dante is Cobra from Space Adventure Cobra anime. If you ever watched that anime you can see influence . In that DMC1 consept arts Dante's outfit looks exactly like Cobra's outfit. But more important part is his personality. Cobra is a space pirate, an adventure seeker, flirts with women and most importantly he is classy. He always act classy even in rage. He mostly taunts his enemies to death but never uses swearing. Dante exactly captures that attitude. Even Trish mostly based on Bounty Hunter Jane character from same anime. Reboot missed his personality, it is mostly Capcom's fault but they looked wrong places for inspiration.
Loved this. Glad to see you're back
This was an amazing video that made me see the DMC series quite differently. Thanks for putting in the effort to make this!
Consider my Devil Trigger pulled.
Isn't it ironic that Nero upon DMC5's release took on a considerable amount of (what was intended) characteristics of Ninja Theory's Donte, but just executed them better? I've always felt it came off that way.
i just absolutely LOVE the closing statement! so profound! so awesome!
I can’t thank you enough for making this video. I needed an analysis on him to help inspire me to write a new main character.
Ah I missed this series, just sitting down and geeking out at cool designs in video games.
SHOW TIME! LETS ROCK BABY! 😈🤘🔥🤘 This one is By Far my favorite Design Shop. Now this video was a great way to wrap up DMC5s 1 year anniversary. This video definitely gets the Smoken Sexy Style RANKING👍
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@@MaoriGamerDood Oh trust me I'm getting my fill
That ending analogy, oh my god. You continue to shake me to my very core
Dude this video is amazing, really engaging and fun, great work !!
27:09 He was prompted. Mundus asked Dante why he killed his child. And after Dante says freedom Mundus replies with "You seem to have all the freedom you need" causing Dante to reply with "Not my freedom". I understand why people don't like DmC Devil May Cry but that's no excuse to be unfair and deliberately leave out context. That's something CinemaSins would do. I really wish that the video on DmC Devil May Cry we're separate from the rest of the content of the video so I could enjoy it. It wouldn't even be that bad if there weren't so many disingenuous pot shots. If anyone's interested in an actual fair critique of DmC Devil May Cry check out Foxcade's channel. If you have no love for DmC Devil May Cry I believe you'll like his two-part video series on it, which is an extension of his Devil May Cry retrospective series, and if you're a fan of DmC Devil May Cry like I am I believe you'll like it as well.
I mean, I just dont see this person caring about other people and their freedom. He can proclaim it all he wants, it doesnt seem to be supported by his actions. He doesnt really interact much with those who's freedom he claims to protect. Feel free to throw at me any clips disproving this, I dont claim to know and remember DmC perfectly.
Вад Чернов As much as I like DmC, there are some problems I have with it. But the only humans he really interacts with are either antagonistic towards him (i.e., Soldiers working for Mundus or that bouncer at Devil's Dalliance) or early in the game back when he's still a complete asshole. The scene that really made me realize that he truly has begun caring about others is when Vorgil shoots Lilith. Even thought that was the spawn of Mundus and a potential future enemy, Dante was disgusted that Vergil would kill a child like that, when Dante in the beginning of the game wouldn't have batted an eye. Thought, what this guy is saying is my personal gripe at people taking potshots at DMC with out-of-context scenes. Hell, the infamous "And I've got a bigger dick" line was said by Vorgil, not Dante. But yeah, I would highly recommend Foxcade's DmC Retrospective.
@@VadBlackwood While I fully admit that Dante was completely unlikable at the beginning of the game he does change throughout it. The biggest catalyst for that change is his relationship with Kat. After the beginning of the game his standoffish tough guy persona starts to crumble due to his interactions with her. He begins to trust her as they work together and when she reveals her traumatic past of being abused by her adoptive father who was a demon disguised as a human his resolve to free humanity strengthened.
@@BootsThaRareBirb I think the scene where Vergil shoots Lilith was more about the outcome rather than the act itself. Dante's interactions with Phineas made him understand that there would be consequences to their actions. While he took it seriously Vergil did not. At that point in the story it was becoming clear that Dante actually did want to save humanity while Vergil decided that the means justify the ends which actually makes him more like the original Vergil than people realize. In Devil May Cry 3 Vergil was perfectly willing to subject humanity to the wrath of the demons to further his pursuit of power.
Brandon Powell I actually like that angle. That's a pretty good way of seeing it. Thanks for that.
I now really hope for an A.B.I.torial on multiple DMC characters now.
if you want, you can still add Dino to that metaphore and talk about how sometimes we get become a version of ourselves we'd never want to be, how we try to change just to appease to people, and how much doing that can corrupt and hurt us, but that, eventually, we get things figure out, no matter how many years pass, you can still get in touch with your true self, and start climbing the road to success again
I think that i know where Dante changed from his 1/2/anime self to his 3/4/5 self - It's when he meets nero for the first time, specifically it's the moment when dante sees nero's sword and immitates his bike handle thing with the rebellion. throughout the whole cutscene he was silent, stoic and calculative but i think if anything nero reminded him of virgil (with the whole reflecting each-other's bullets thing) and he finally starts having fun again. oh yeah in that same cutscene he realises that nero's a demon which imo was enough for dante to see him as a mentor to him.
This party is getting crazy!
Let's rock!
Jackpot!
Donte/Dino: Inafune's second biggest mistake.
Great video, good to see Design Shop back! And it doesn't disappoint at all! Looking forward to more, thank you A.B.I.!
This review is actually phenomenal.
*Waiting for Design Shop Be Like*: FRUSTRATION'S GETTER BIGGER. *Getting Design Shop Be Like*: BANG, BANG, BANG, PULL MY DEVIL TRIGGER.
One day, someday, soon. That would be awesome
Dino? I thought we called him "Donte"
Sounds too close to the real thing
I call him Frank 🤣
I call him Dante because his name is Dante.
You earned yourself a sub, the hard way. Intriguing, touching an emotion, good points, nice comedic bits, and a generally fantastic video. Thanks for the enjoyment, the beast shall proceed to devour the rest of your channel. :3
I ALREADY LOVE THIS CHANNEL BUT THIS IS MY FAVORITE VIDEO OF YOURS!!!
Dino? Not gonna lie, I prefer Donte donte exterminador de demonios, has a nice ring to it, dontcha think?
Thank you so much. Dear god ever since DMC3 came out many mistook him for an edgy pretty boy teenager. Thank you
I've heard many call OG Dante clown or an idiot (still wrong) but edgy..?? This dorky, corny half demon jokes-cracking dude? Man people can be so wrong some times
@@atdrawn Thats something I never got. Why were people calling him egdy when he doesn't even act like a typical edgy character? If it was Reboot Dante or DMC2 I could see where they're coming from
The term is probably cheesy But they mistook for "edgy"
Even a Devil May Cry when he watches such great videos. Beautifull!
SSSTYLISH!!! amazing video as always, I'm learning a lot with you. Keep going! =D