EVO VII vs GR Yaris 1.6 Circuit Pack - Shootout OLD VS NEW | Fifth Gear
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To celebrate 20 years (yes, 20 years!) of Fifth Gear, Jason is behind the wheel of an EVO VII - which was first featured on the show in 2002 - against the modern GR Yaris 1.6 Circuit Pack! Make sure you are subscribed for more 20th-anniversary shoot-outs!
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Fifth Gear было бы очень интересно, если бы вы указывали покрышки, на которых проводилось контрольное измерение времени круга. Хотя бы указывали, что они одной марки и модели. Спасибо. It would be very interesting if you would indicate the tires on which the lap time control measurement was carried out. At least they indicated that they are of the same make and model. Thanks.
It's good to see where top gear has changed a lot, Fifth gear still has that feel it did back then. And I love it!
Agreed. Still reminds me of watching it back then. Nothing has changed and it's all the best for it.
The original top gear crew set the bar so high. The new crew isnt the same.
The producers found a good formula early on and haven't added gimmicky bits to "keep it fresh". I believe many viewers view shows like a comfortable pullover. You come back to wearing it because it's worn in and familiar.
I feel that Fifth Gear did their own formula and stuck to it. That is why lesser creative shows fall to obscurity. Top Gear went silly for 59 straight minutes with filler crap even with Clarkson, Hammond and May since the early noughties. The reason people hate TG now is because the punchline is coming from a different person. Still love all motoring shows though. That's how I justify my television licence. I divide all the TG and Fifth Gear episodes by 12
And way better for it. Top Gear is now completely unwatchable trash.
I'd still like to know what the EVO would have done with tires and brakes that were not 20 years old... I know the Yarris GR has PS4s'es, all I can see about the EVO tires is that they were rounded quite a bit. On such a short and technical track the tire choice is critical.
You’re a bit special if you think that evo still has the exact same tyres & pads as 20 years ago Victor
@@sunsetgarage755 Well, I wish you felt the irony in what I said, obviously those tires and pads are not really 20 years old, they can't be, but they weren't new either. I understand TG wanted to compare stock versus stock, but at least don't do it on tires and brakes that are near the end of their life.
I was thinking the same. Also noticed the evo had a different intercooler so perhaps it's making a bit more power than stock, however as the poster above said the tyres are the main factor!
@@mituc TG?
@@ronjatterevo has standard intercooler on
While Tommi Mäkinen is synonymous with the Lancer Evolution, he also had significant input into the GR Yaris too.
Alot of people forget that, he was the driving force behind development of the GR - even wrote off quite a few cars during testing to ensure everything was just right.
That's what pushed my to order the Yaris, Tommi's Hand in the development of the car
Sfw?
Fun fact: What common has Audi gr.B, Mitsubishi Evo gr.A and Yaris WRC? A: Test driver Lasse Lampi
@@rasch19785 Makinen did not develop the Yaris GR from scratch, but Juho Hanninen
Plato just demonstrated the real reason why handbrakes/parking brakes shoud remain mechanical. Precisely for the sole purpose of emergency braking when you lose your brakes.
Agree - I cannot stand these electronic parking brakes that most cars have these days. Well done Toyota for giving us a proper handbrake
Exactly and why I don’t like certain modern cars
You can just use the button for the electronic handbrake while driving. It gradually applies more force until stop but is in no way as controllable as a manual handbrake.
@@BodyDestruction auto handbrakes are totally useless- manual brakes all the way
pretty sure it's going to snap
Was lucky enough to drive an EQ300 EVO on a track day. The instructor tried to avoid me red lining it by telling me to shift early, where it wouldn’t be in the turbo’s power band for the next gear. But I managed to delay my up shift enough to keep the turbo spooled on later laps and it was a monster that felt as easy to drive as a Clio!.. I remember passing all these 50yr old guys driving the Aston Martin’s and Ferraris around quite casually. What a day, and what a car!
Nice! I had an EvoIV here in eastern Canada & it was the easiest car to control. It was so good in the snow. Where ever I pointed the wheel it went. I felt like the best driver in the world. I would make my own tracks in parking lots and drive them all day.
They’re designed to Rev out they have a decent size turbo. He was just trying to save the car being driven too hard lol
@@RotrexfezST oh for sure! The other instructors all called my guy ‘Johnny Spanners’ because he was also the mechanic that maintained their fleet of sports cars. He was trying to save himself more work at the end of the day and there were already 2 TVRs broken down on track that day! 😀 He was actually a top bloke and I think he quite enjoyed himself because he gave me an extra lap too!
Was the proud owner of a 54 plate 340MR.... I drove it like I stole it. Every drive was pure drama.
😂😂and now granny's shopping car can beat it😅
We really need to see the older cars on comparable modern tyres because most of these legends will be equipped with new rubber by their enthusiast owners. Perhaps a comparison between before and after fitting modern tyres as well could be interesting.
With modern brake pads and new discs too, I bet that would claw back a chunk of that 1.4s. I doubt there would be much between them. Pretty incredible give how old the Evo 7 is now. Or maybe that's it strength - it isn't bloated and overweight like so many modern cars.
Fifth gear made the same mistake when they compared the yaris to the celica gt4
@@soundseeker63 You forgot one big point in your logic, then you should remap the ECU of the Yaris to be completely fair. If you do so, then you'd still got the Yaris keeping the gap in its advantage, and for sure to increase it.
@@kasugakyosuke6441 Er no we're just talking about modern materials in stuff that you replace routinely anyway (brakes, tyres) not upgrades like remaps.
You think theyve not put tyres on in 20years?
Great to see this content still being produced, intriguing shootout this. I am a massive fan of the 5th Gear format after all these years, please keep it coming!
I luv watching JP have such great fun driving - puts a smile on my face at the enjoyment he truly is having. He is one great presenter for car driving.
Love my Evo 9 FQ340. Wouldn’t change it for anything!
Not even a Ferrari SF90?
Had the MR340 a 54 plate and loved it
@@ytsux9259 I wish but kids will have to be stuck in the boot 😂
I will watch anything that has Evo VII. Thank you for this one!
Impressed by the Evo, a 20 year car....and is not just brake and tyres, one of the most important handling item that is most likely also 20 years is the suspension rubber bushings...
Evos is full of proper rose bushes,yaris is full of rubber 😏
Imagine what this guy could do, If you stuck him in a British based saloon racing series. He's got the talent to go far.
Lol. Shame YT doesn't have a 'laugh' option!
I think he’d do ok. 😁
You jest? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Plato
@@ratmanbrian You serious? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm
Ash Sutton 😊
I wonder how old the tires are on the evo given that he boiled the brakes? And do both cars have the same tires?
yeh i would bet the evo is just on a slower tyre
@@xRockee probably
Love this comparison and the cars featured! Thank you
Super sick. Loving these insights into the teams development.
EVO for the win on looks, fun & special feeling.
Have you tried a GR?
Didn't know 5th gear was still running. Not seen on TV in ages, changed channels several times. Always liked the show. Used to watch Jason on a car show that used to be on channel 4, before 5th gear. Nice comparison. Good video. Would be interested to see a Civic Type R fk8 compared on the same track
This was fun! Crazy part is… I’d still take the older EVO vs the Yaris - both are still great cars, all things considered. 😊
I always loved watching Top Gear for it's entertainment value and Fifth Gear for it's more technical presentation.
I'd say the Evo gave you a bigger smile 👍
Regarding power to weight ratios it's dependent on the situation I'd say, on a tight technical circuit a car that's 150hp and 1000kg would likely beat a car that's 300hp and 2000kg. But on a track with longer straights that 300hp is going to make a difference, mass is less important once the cars in motion on straights.
Well said, and 100% agree…..
Love that show! Fifth gear is an institution! Cheers from Bulgaria
fifth gear just delivers best show ever, those comparison are golden honestly
The Evo VII actually weighs 1400kg, so that power to weight figure is going to be off. The problem with comparisons like this is the Toyota is going to be a far fresher car & more than likely from the press fleet so it'll be well maintained. The Evo is far older & unless it's been treated to new tyres, brakes, suspension bushes & so on, it's never going to drive quite as well as it should. It's nice to see that the Evo is it's still around because a lot of them aren't in great condition these days. Especially rust.
And parts 😬
@@mengx94It's insane how much some parts are. A unused TME recaro seat was 4.5k
The GRY is also 1280kg, a lot more than 50kg lighter; which is amazing it’s for sale in the current market requirements.
Nice comparison stock to stock - would've been interesting to see them on the same tyres and maybe some fresh brake fluid though! They really are a blast to drive both the evo's and the GR Yaris's. Only briefly tried a GRY but had an evo 5rs (race car), a 6 tme (stock) and a 7 (trackday car) and they've all been phenomenal. Can see in my latest track video at cadwell park from 20:00 mark to end a lightly modified evo is a good chunk faster, both cars not pushing 100% tho to be fair low boost for me and was super hot.. had been on track all day and did like 8 tanks of fuel 🤣 good to see a homoligation car on the market at a decent price again
Couldn't agree with you more... seems like the EVO was not "fighting fit" so to speak. Probably needed discs and pads too by the sounds of it. Our friend @Relentless Pursuit believes the GR would win regardless of the EVO's condition... everyone else is not so sure.
This EVO even in the FQ300, is not stock. Did you see the HKS intercooler in the front.
@@S.Madman The intercooler alone won't make any difference at that power level tbh. Mine is running standard intercooler at 440 whp on max boost and it's not the limiting factor
Great video!! We re looking forward for a similar shout out to the legendary EP3 Type R!!!! Keep going!!
Top staff!!! Great to see
Circuit pack is 1280kg, so weight difference is a bit greater than stated in the video. Great video though 👌🏻
Yep, and they actually weigh in at those 1280kg too, contrary to many others. Real weight of that Evo is probably a good whack more then the 1360kg given, finding actually weighed numbers between 1400 to 1450kg. GR Yaris (not Yaris GR) ain't heavy at all.
@@onehorsepower Agreed, my 7 came in at over 1400kg (with a full tank of course) Also their torque numbers were off, should be around 400nm for the Evo. Would be interesting if it would shave some time with the same tires as the Yaris.
I’d like to see how much closer it would be if the evos brakes weren’t abit knackered.
I wonder what tyres it was on also.
"They are epic, until the brakes fail" 🤣🤣 this made my day
Always nice to see Fifth Gear. They've always had the best mix of new and old cars, supercars and also cars you can afford. I just wish Tiff and Jonny were part of the team still.
Fun comparison! The Evo needs better brakes, suspension and tyres. That's where it lags behind after 20 years.
Easy to sort with all the aftermarket support there has always been since the car's birth
Mmm, I see others have had similar questions to me… a fresh FQ300 with fresh & modern tyres, pads & brake fluid may have seen things a little differently. Reckon the Yaris might have still pipped it but I reckon it’d halve the gap between them! 💁🏼♂️ In which case, other than safety & luxury, we haven’t come all that far in 20 years! 💁🏼♂️😅
The days of homologation cars are long gone, Toyota have essentially gone back and given us an updated version of the cars we all loved from 20 years ago - unlike other manufacturers that seem hell bent on giving us dull cars
Factor in inflation: £31,495 in 2022 would be over £53k now, which makes the Yaris a bargain And yes I do miss my Yaris, this video didn’t help either 😂
I agree, although I doubt you’d get 30mpg out of an Evo, even with a tail wind.
Haven't come that far? A 3 cylinder Yaris just beat an evo.
‘Yaris…’ - We all know that bar the lights & mirrors there’s nothing Yaris about it bar the name. Nobody’s questioning it’s a unreal car, I’d have one in a heartbeat if I could afford one, but for now I’ll stick with an Evo!
That time split considering the 20 years of development between them isn't bad . The Gr was developed by Tommi as well I think or atleast the rally version was. So you could see it as a kind of spiritual successor to the Evo in a weird way
Great video 👏🏼💣
Is it just me or is JP a little more excited driving the 7? Brakes on the Lancer aside, I feel that a track run with identical tyres would be a closer race. As an Evo 6.5 owner and being around people with the GR Yaris (Aus spec got 206kw) I can say the TME is still the king. Though the Toyota does have a lovely interior lol, and that 3 cyl does sound less pleasant when wringing the hell out of it.
I own both the GR Yaris and an Evo 9 myself. I feel the Evos are more fun to drive probably because they're more raw, engine is more torquey and the steering is more direct.
20 years difference and GR Yaris costs basically same money... its total bargain considering inflation and everything related.
Oh yes long time to watch fifth gear!!JP is the man Btw the evo is really a legend
I love the idea of Old Super vs New Daily. How well do the classic pinup supercars of the 80's and older do in all aspects vs a modern family sedan (not even a hot hatch). 0-60, hot lap, stopping time, slalom courses etc. I'd bet those "Super" cars would end up being better left as a bedroom poster.
Got the flat cap and the bifocals now, but JP still knows how to turn a wheel 😃👍
If you offered me either I don't know what would rake, I love the evo but would really like that yaris also. So I think I will just take both haha.
Great video 10/10 .
Love the comparison, just an excellent video. Giving graphics of the stats was really helpful. But I didn't realise torque was measured in nanometers these days 😜 ... capital N for Newtons 🤓
How fun does that evo look🕺🏼🎉
New Tires and Brakes and I wonder what the difference would have been then?
Just watched the original video from 20 years ago and Tiff was complaining about brake fade on lap 3 on the evo! I had a Hawkeye STI and the brakes on that gave up very quickly too on track. I think Evo & Impreza of the era were under breaked as standard.
@@rhysturner8462 You're right. The OEM rotors and pads are rubbish, but they still shouldn't have used warped rotors and old tyres in the comparison.
Brilliant!
Plato loved that brake mishap
My favourite EVO and the 6 TM edition. Evo all the way compared to the Yaris.
Who would have ever predicted an Evo VII would go head to head with a Yaris!
The Evo basecar ist only a Lancer econobox too.
And lose! Lol!
@@sunrisesunset1734 you probably feel proud on barely beating ur grandfather at a football game
Barely beating grandad......while only having 3 cylinders....
@@yanceyboyz Like how the grandad Lexus LFa is still faster than anything you've ever driven? OK. /sarcasm
Are these cars on the same tires? Tires can make up more than a second a lap
Really keen on someone doing this test, but on gravel
Love my GR, but still miss the Evo sometimes
the tires on the Evo looked like they where original from 2002
They won’t be, the old ones would have perished and cracked by now
Amazing Video Guyd Congrat on the 20 years!!! Btw as some one who experienced brake failure twice I wonder how is it even legal for Car Manufacturers these days to remove this crucial safety item!!!
Awesome!
I'd still want the Evo, plus it's more practical.
Says the guy that owns a rotary.🤣
@@battlepug3122 My RX-8 drives like a sports car and seats 4 adults (for short trips) and has a big trunk, so it's "practical" also.
"Practical" is not a word that should be used when talking about performance homologation cars 🙈
It's only more practical in boot space and has 5 doors everything else no
I like how some people here are expecting both cars to have the SAME tyres and SAME suspension setup to see the difference between old and new cars. BUT the point is to see how almost everything has progressed in 20 years. Ofcourse the GR Yaris is better lmao. Also if you watch Tiff's old fifth gear video of the Evo 7, he said it had more brake fade than the WRX. Oofie.
People aren't complaining about brake fade, they're complaining about it having shagged brakes ie warped. What person would take their car to the track in a competitive setting and uses stuffed parts? "Heading to the track today to try and beat my PB. I've got plastic tyres and brakes that are warped like you wouldn't believe. Oh well, shouldn't matter, neither of those things are important". In other words. People don't want things to "be the same". They want the evo to be as close as it was to factory condition, not to be raced around a track with obviously degraded parts. Can't gauge progression if one car has degraded components and one doesn't - not accurately at least. It was flying lap of a short track to compare times - one lap to get things warm (like tyres etc) and one lap at full noise (the flying lap). On this particular track, I don't think brake fade would be an issue after one time attack lap.
How can I see a full episode or is this the new format? I love this more than ever, people actually reviewcars that can bloody drive
If the big man is giggling uz know it's a top car. love Plato legend. 😎🇬🇧✌👍👊
Did u check them on same tyres? If not test is point less . Tyres can give a lot of advantages and couple seconds less in time
The Yaris time is also 0.5sec quicker than the 420bhp 996 turbo time from the other week. Very impressive and just shows how handling has improved over the years
its will be interesting to put Michelin PS4s on the 996 turbo to be fair... Tires has also improved over the last decades.
@@damianlody then you remember the price difference..
Comparing 20 year old cars to modern day performance hatchbacks only to lose to the former just goes to show we have lived through the greatest period of the automobile. Enjoy it while we can
I have one GR Yaris with the circuit pack. One good thing (might be bad for some) is that it does not attract any attention. Other drivers ignore you, police ignores you, gold diggers ignore you. Until you drop a gear and slam the gas and you see BMW drivers wondering WTF just happened. And of course, when you get the attention, it's only from other car guys like you. As an owner, there are some minor things I do not like, but none related to the driving experience. For example, there are no parking sensors (only the camera) and with an ass as big as a Kardashian you need to be careful when parking. There is no light on the trunk (I installed some small battery powered lights) and some other minor things like that. But driving it is really fun and up to the hype
We need Tiff for some of that Clarkson-Hammond type banter !
Nah I’d rather just hear about the cars
Except Tiff is a better driver than either of them.
The tires seem to be the biggest determining factor here. Both cars should have had the same exact tire for this test.
Result would be the same
@@relentlesspursuit6894 that's impossible for you to know
@@jmmeares the GR is the quicker car, as proved in the test - that I do know!
@@relentlesspursuit6894 maybe it was quicker in the test because it has better tires from the "track package" it has.
Chances are the evo still has good modern tyres, any enthusiast isn’t going to put rubbish tyres on a performance car. Sounds like the evo has had some induction work as well
I did the nc500 run in my gr yaris cp with a few lads in performance cars including a 500 BHP evo 6 mine had the least amount of power by far ! It kept up no problem , mega car
Maybe the Evo IX MR would have been a better choice? 🤔
Well the GR Yaris is the only car actually in this race due to one simple reason: You cannot get a Evo 3-4-5-6-7-8-9 that's not modified, crashed or ruined at all. Unless you pay Porsche money. Even if the GR is expensive for a small car at least it exists. And won't kill you quite so much in a car crash, hence the weight vs 90's cars. Still the lightest (new-ish) performance car out there aside from A110's and lotuses.
I wonder how modified this Evo was, saw the HKS intercooler and wondered what else had been done
@@relentlesspursuit6894 The Evo is also wearing Sonic The Hedgehog's hairdo (from the FQ400) above the rear window. That must shave many, many seconds per lap...!
@Rotorhead500 must do, wonder what engine work has been done in addition to the intercooler upgrade?
The GR Yaris is a total bargain for a modern car especially when it is a one off homologation special. The new CTR is £47k and fwd (🤣🤣) with very few fully bespoke parts like the GR which is almost a totally redesigned car....lol...ridiculous.
@@tracktimevideos5164 totally agree with that
I wanna see JP review the Fiesta ST. I think he'd love it! May as well do a shootout against its brother the Puma st or versus it’s grandpa the Mk1 Focus RS. 🔥
great shootout ...I'm still buying an Evo IX FQ-320 when they are available for importing
Love to see Toyota back in the performance game
who doesn’t? Toyota makes good cars
Considering its a 20+yr old car, Im sure its lost a few ponies under the hood by now
Always love fifth gear over top gear! 🙂🙏
This evo reminds me quite alot of my EVO 9 days... well, because it was from the very same chassis!.. ill always be a fan!!!
A sorted evo would cuff that Yaris 😅
All things relative and linear, no, it wouldn't. That's like saying give the evo a head start and it would win.
Brand new for brand new the Yaris gets smoked
@@robertgirdwood1801 nostalgia is a hell of a drug 😅
If the Evo had better brakes, if the Evo had better tires, if the Evo was faster we’d all be slagging the GR off. Just appreciate the GR for what it is, a Yaris that beat an Evo.
I don't think people are necessarily saying it would make the Evo faster (than the GR Yaris) around this particular circuit. I think it's more from a comparison stand point. It is a pretty bad comparison; using a car with stuffed brakes and old tyres. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that really.
Watch the original review in 2002 by Tiff.....he was complaining about the Evo brakes after three laps, they were always rubbish.
@@yanceyboyz I have an evo, I don't need to watch a 20 year old review to tell me the stock brakes aren't that good. That doesn't mean its suitable to go to the track with already warped ones. I wouldn't. What sane, rational person would take any car to the track with already ruined brakes ?
You compare a old Evo 7 vs. a GR? Really? What about Evo 9 or Evo X? They are much faster!
Be interesting to see if the Evo had the same tyre's how would it compare and also brake fluid change 😅
What's the difference between Active Yaw Control & a traditional LSD?
The fact the Toyota Yaris has a standard 5 YEAR WARRANTY which if serviced at Toyota can be extended to 10 YEARS is amazing plus you won’t get any boiling brake fluid and the Evo Mitsubishi was well known for blowing engines - Yaris all day for me. Had one for a year and they are brilliant- definitely have another 👍
You had one and got rid of it?! I'm waiting for mine 1,5 years now, jeez.
Evo is better!
EVO FTW
Except it didn't
Great video but the music playing in the background at 25 seconds onwards is driving me nuts. What is it please anyone?
Some people argue Group B rally cars would be faster than modern WRC cars. This video and the Cossie Escort vs modern Fiesta ST one show that the progress of technology makes all the difference.
🤣all the butthurt evo fan bois coping in the comments here. 🤣🤣
But which would you rather have, a mint condition Evo or a new hatchback?
This will run and run 😄
@@derlangsame7813 The GR Yaris, all day, every day
I would take the Yaris as it has CarPlay 😂
Aesthetically, I prefer the GR as I've always preferred 2 doors... but I see where you are going with the question. EVO arguably has more street cred, a higher future value, and it's more practical.
The Evo's body rolls too much, maybe a brand new and stiffer suspension would cut half a second. Fit better tyres like Michelin PS cup 2 then perhaps it has a chance to beat the GR Yaris. I think the evo loses a lot of time in the corners.
Where these cars on an equivalent TW tire and how old were the tires on the EVO?
Yes yes yes 👍 🙌
Well at least its not electric I suppose...
Very true.
Agreed
1 second progress in 20 years. Mind blowing
That's progress for you - Toyota for the win!
1 second faster with 1 cylinder less. You might also have forgotten the bit where it's a Yaris...... Also price....want to guess what 31,000 2002 pounds is today...? Over £50,000.
@@yanceyboyz it's also down on power by around 50bhp - yet it still beat the old Evo
@@relentlesspursuit6894 Ask everyone ...they will take the EVO home 😂 Still ...20 years...1 second???😊
@@bubu23101989 no, they would not!
Happy Christmas 🏴🎄🏴
fell at the first hurdle , it is a GR Yaris, not a Yaris GR
I love this show
Genuine lol at some of the comments. There is 20 years of development in it and the Evo still did well. Lusted after the Tommi Mak edition and still do.
How compact hatchback GR Yaris with 4 seats and 174L of boot space weights almost the same as 5 seater Evo 7 sedan with 400L of boot space? Considering they've got quite similar capability. What is that we've lost in those 20 years?
The evo is a cracking handling car.
Would love to see E36 M3 vs G80 M3.
Can I ask what tyres are used on both cars?
On the GR it was the PS4S as per standard on the car
The evo will always be nostalgic for us 30+ y/o guys I wonder if younger people see these classics and go oh cool and buy them or are only into the current stuff
When I insured my Evo the call centre guy told me about these Yaris GR and I've been intrigued ever since! He tracks it regularly! I'm still team EVOOOOO though lol. This was the perfect video for me to watch. I'm hoping my fq360 IX would bridge that one second gap in my mind lol... Newer tyres on the Evo would have bridges that gap tbf. And I'd take the loss for the slightly bigger car, that half a meter is a very usable boot space!
You should try the GR - you can also fit better tyres to a GR which would increase the gap yet further
@@relentlesspursuit6894 I love the Yaris but I'd rather walk than swap 🤣 out of all the facts, figures and statistics... You can't put a value on character. I love an Evo. I might recommend a Yaris to the misses though 🤣
@@paulhart7585 you wouldn't want her having a better car than you though would you 😁
@@relentlesspursuit6894 hence the suggestion 🤣
@@paulhart7585 go try one- you'll get a surprise
We need more Evo like cars A modern Eclipse GSX would be amazing.