Enoch Powell & Jonathan Miller Debate Issues Around UK Immigration | The Dick Cavett Show
Broadcast from London, British politician Enoch Powell and British director and author Jonathan Miller debate issues around UK immigration including comparing the impacts of an ageing population to those of immigration. Featuring Dick Cavett.
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When he ,Enoc , defended the rights of the Kenyan people’s he was a hero, when he defended the rights of indigenous Brits he was a villain, nuff said.
Exactly the Hola camp and people who heard that speech say it was the finest speech they ever heard ,great point Andy mac
One of the greatest speeches. And so few know about it, too.
Nuff said, eh? Remind us again, these Kenyan's invite some white people to their country to do menial work and they thought they were under attack? Have I got that right? The "nuff said" just about sums up bigots like you who can't think beyond their racist noses.
White people are not allowed their own lands.
@@worldpeace8299 do you know what's going on in South Africa nowadays?
Watching this in 2023 makes me realise the freedom of speech and thought that we have lost in this country.
Very true, I was thinking that as well. Heck, they even had level-headed interviews with literal fascists like Oswald Mosely and the result was a better understanding of the issues.
@@user-ls8ks7kv8c put this one in your search bar: The Mitford sisters | Lady Diana Mosley interview | Oswald Mosley |Good Afternoon
Me too I don’t agree with either 100 percent but im flabbergasted they’re actually allowed to have the conversation
Same here!
Yea the world is a joke now a terrible tragedy or a great comedy depending on your philosophy.
The most chilling observation for me is that a debate like this is utterly impossible these days in the MSM of the West. Truly tragic.
Very true, but in fact it was also nearly impossible back then. There was no desire to confront the negatives aspects of mass immigration by what you'd call the 'mainstream'. Even back then, people could and were 'cancelled' for merely stating obvious facts.
@@plainjane2474 That is complete nonsense. The New Right adopted a profoundly racist stance RE: South Africa. Racist policies were entirely mainstream in the 1970's. You are just making things up. Stupidity is dangerous.
It literally happens all the time, people just aren’t generally as racist as Powell was and generally know how frowned upon racism is now compared to then
@@thomashall2753 lmao
Just propaganda and slander now.
A robust, almost confrontational yet always civilised, but never personal debate indeed. Excellent display of what today is lacking
They were too busy worrying about Caribbean people who spoke English, similar culture and same religion. A Black Australian if you will (not Aboriginal). That they ignored all the other groups because they have more Eurocentric features, but not mentality or religion. Britain/Europe is feeling it now. 🤣
@@miamitten1123 mass imagination wasn't as bad back then, there wasn't really an alert. Now it's around 6 million immigrants that consist in England's total population.
You’re just looking in the wrong places.
Don’t compare Britain then with Britain now Just don’t
When people could discuss anything without being threatened with jail. When the British were truly allowed to be themselves.
White British men were able to say what they thought
@@paddybroderick I still do
@@leemillard5514 Are you going to the cenotaph on Sunday? I hope so. 🏴🇬🇧👍🏽
That sad part is that what he argued against is partly due to the reason why you can't talk like this anymore. What got me was how intelligently they both put forth their arguments and allowed each other to at least finish.
@paddybroderick the news and politics is so bad now. Look at the school shooter in America. They tried hiding the fact that that trans monster purely went out to kill white people(kids).
This is a prime evidence of how our society's average IQ has declined.
Nobody would watch it. English people prefer celebrities dancing and quiz shows as well as shooting and car chases.
@@jean6872 Theres a quote that sums it up perfectly: "The young used to be brought up to read Kant and now the young are brought up so they cant read"
@@kekkles117 I should have heard that before but maybe I was brought up to forget.
Education has declined not the IQ level
@@rankoorovic7904 In England, a good education can still be bought by people with lots of money.
Enoch was a prophet as well as an intellectual. Miller raises a good point about difference in appearance being the fear factor, yet one simply has to look at the news any day of the week for the last 50 years and you can see it's not appearance, but behaviour.
as still primitive mammalian beings we still are wired to recognise different or unusual as - possible threat and dont realise we let that become an overiding factor in our judgment We just see it as potentially dangerous and act accordingly not giving it a second thought and that has become dangerous in itself :/
I think the horribe truth is that appearance and behavior have far more correlation than modern, "enlightened," Westerners want to believe.
Right now its ideology
Yet being fearful, distressed or alarmed at someone's behaviour may get them arrested for causing fear.
Exactly not race but culture, not skin colour but behaviour
how refreshing to see a debate whilst still being respectful
Try gb news.
Controlled opposition
@@twonkey1GB news isn’t objective Objectivity is gone.
@@twonkey1GB news doesn’t have the same tone of respect neither
Oh how refreshing to hear the English language spoken so elliquently by these two gentlemen. The garbage that is spoken on today's programs is a sad reflection of losing the English language.
Beautiful isn't it...i could listen to Enoch all day.
its negroidisation of english language, that's what you hear today.
@@twonkey1 Oh yeah, "woke" this "woke" that... If you want a perennial showcase of eloquent and erudite interlocutors espousing their illuminating outlooks, you'd definitely want to tune into GB News where "Can women have p*nises" is at the vanguard of their cultural concerns. To be fair, Enoch Powell is not exactly any better.
I fairness to GB news and Talk tv, they're refreshing to watch as they have and express their own opinions, unlike the pandering, scare mongering idiots on channels like BBC, ITV, SKY. The presenters aren't afraid of being outspoken.
I love eilliquence.
Imagine being able to have this conversation on mainstream TV now.
God what an amazing point and alas we'll never see another politican like him ever again .
Ignore the TV my friend. We only need to talk like this to each other.
Racist!....... end of conversation
@@TheNobullman I think the term youre looking for is xenophobic 😂
Like a parallel universe.
The quality of people back then, far outweighs that of today. Enoch recognised the problems on the horizon, and oh how he has been proven correct. A visionary.
need an ENOCH or two in todays government
They all knew. It was so obvious a child could see it. The problem was not lack of vision so much as utter cowardice. Bonhoeffer was quite right in his assessment of such things.
Tourism great, colonialism bad. Why would dark skin people want to move to rainy, cold northern areas where they have no spiritual love of the land. Conquest?
It was clear for decades before this.
@@doreenbates the closest we can hope for is Farage or Tice...
What an amazing prime minister he would have been
Nah, just being a good speaker is not enough.
Absolutely. Powell was brilliant.
@@yj9032 You obviously know little to nothing about Enoch Powell other than watching this podcast. The man was an absolute genius, and Britain would have been far better off if he had led the UK. A terribly missed opportunity.
It's frightening and chilling to see how accurate Powell was, he saw it while the others were sleeping.
It is a consequence of British imperialism. Nobody in the Indian/Pakistani sub-continent asked the English to go there. The chickens came home to roost.
I'm 'white,' 60 and live in a very multicultural UK city, I don't think things have turned out that badly at all. My Pakistani decent neighbours are generous and charming with very well behaved, sweet natured children. Think this contrived 'issue' concerns areas of the country that are predominantly white much more than cities like mine.
@@alexharrison9340 And one day you'll wake up and those "well behaved" Pakis will demand that you stop consuming (say) alcohol because now they are the majority. One day you'll find yourself a foreigner in your own country. I hope you'll enjoy it.
@@FranciscoSmirsley I'll never be a foreigner on my own planet.
@@alexharrison9340 Sadly, Alex, the exclusivity intensifiers that adhere and dig their heels in are a long time dying out. Sagan suspected seeing their disintegration at an increasing pace in the early 80s. The process still ongoing, after a resurgence of fanaticism, I suspect we're in for worsening turmoil to follow. Miller was correct in his analysis. Human beings are very easily led by charismatic mesmerists. Sadly, even the socially inept ones. Out of Jonathan Miller and Powell, I know which I would rather spend an afternoon's conversation with. The one who is a deeper, more philosophical thinker and not a rabble rouser.
Way too intelligent and tolerant of a conversation for today's time.
The Jonathan Miller's of the world play a huge role in why we can no longer have these conversations. They lost the debate so driven by hatred continue to obtain power to destroy us.
Enoch? If so no he wasn’t...
Yep, thats what you guys lost, while trying to save the world with democracy, feminizm, sexizm, racizm, and transgendarizm.
You couldn't have made your misunderstanding of the whole debate any clearer... *facepalm*
Saying that some American cities are occupied by immigrants and their descendants isn't intelligent. I imagine a lot of native Americans would consider it to be very uninformed indeed.
If he was alive today, his bank accounts would be closed his youtube channel shut down along with his Facebook page, and he would be sitting in a jail .All for speaking the truth . I bend my knee to him
Logical and so so accurate. Look at the state of British cities now. Riddled with poverty and crime from all over the world.
Have you forgotten all the crimes the British have committed throughout their violent history? Unless you reject your past you have no right to complain about the present.
@djo-dji6018 I have every right. Asking people of the present for an apology regarding the past is the statement of a complete idiot... a past that no doubt didn't even affect anybody today too. People love being victims today.
@@djo-dji6018pathetic
“-all over the world.” Letting your racism show too much there 🤡
@@nas84payne If in doubt, wallow in the race card. Pathetic! 🎈
It's hard to imagine being allowed to speak so freely, we've gone backwards
The closer they push us to the cliff the more they want to blind us at the front and mute us from warning those behind us being pushed into that very same abyss.
Gone backwards in so many ways
Because look who's here and running the country.
Sad fact is the leftwaffe won
@@Fahrenheit451.It's good they speak openly because then it is easier to identify Nazis
If this debate was on today the mediator would say "sorry we are out of time" as soon as a controversial point was made
And none of them would ever work again.
@@d4746385 especially after he said "if you want a N for a neighbor, vote Labour". I couldn't believe he said the actual word, but I guess this was before political correctness went to such a degree that you were only allowed to say "n-word".
And the lefty broadcasters would shut him up on our behalf.
You see, my friend, even you are affected by this affliction. Do you think that there is something controversial in this video?! I think not. For me it is just pure facts and logic and the time is my witness. All this guy was saying proved to be true.
@@CENTURION.CARPATIC How did we sleepwalk into where we are now? It breaks my heart, I won't be going back to Sweden any time soon either.
It's amazing how right he was and people still cant see it!
People can see it, but the BBC and the media circle subliminally control native Brits through the processes of shaming, and guilt tripping. They've been doing it for more than 20+ years, even governments are careful not to upset the BBC. Labour want more immigration - their future depends on it.
They can't see it because it's not an issue
@@powerplay8355 because they don't want to
@@powerplay8355 Not an issue until it personally affects them.
They actually do
As a politician, Enoch Powell didn’t put the thoughts into people’s minds, but rather reflected the feelings and emotions of his constituents and put them into the words that they felt unable to utter aloud for fear of reprisals.
They were too busy worrying about Caribbean people who spoke English, similar culture and same religion. A Black Australian if you will (not Aboriginal). That they ignored all the other groups because they have more Eurocentric features, but not mentality or religion. Britain/Europe is feeling it now. 🤣
This guy seems awesome.
When people could openly express their opinions, eloquently discuss and argue back and forth without resorting to screaming obscenities and insults. Wonderful interview...
yep---even when one of them is talking out his arse---eh Johnathan?
@@MrDaiseymay Mr Miller is not English - that is the key
or being blacklisted by the mainstream media
@@chez3884 how's that?
and being bullied out their livelihoods, censored online and on and on
This is the level of intellectualism i would like to see on tv.
I came to reply but again stuck in video
Snowflakes today would be so lost...
@@paullacey2999 true. Both are extremely intellectual and articulate themselves amazingly. Left or right, this type of intellectual i want to hear.
I again come to reply and again stuck in this video. Paul Ennoch’s view is not a view that i share but he has the best arguments to convince and he puts it in a so civil way and makes you think on the issue. This is the type of politician i want to see both left and right. Not a pack of fools who run around like chickens with no head.
Currently this is only found either on KZhead, Rumble and few and far between in tv
Ahead of his time, wake up Britain 🇬🇧
This man was and still is a legend, I wish with all my heart he was priminister today x Absolutely a legend 🎉
Enoch Powell spoke up to 10 languages. The man was a perfect example of an English intellectual.
A thick racist, in fact.
we have a lot of intellects and educated people running the world and look at the mess it's in ...we need empathy,compassion ,mixed with wisdom and sensitivity ....
@@devogrant2817 Yes because that has worked so well hasn't it 🙄
@@ballshippin3809 Meaning what?
@@devogrant2817 Far better than being ruled by knobs who believe in shape-shifting lizards and all the other conspiracy claptrap. Look at any interview with Trump supporters to see how bad it can get.
Well done Dick Cavett on allowing these two guests to speak without interruption. Never seen this clip but it is fascinating
how journalism should be.
My comment was about the journalistic professionalism of the presenter, not the views of Knocker.
And now we see the left promoting euthanasia like Canada see Powell was right. if you put an invasive species in an environment and it thrives it will take over that what's happening to Britain.
Definitely the Enoch Show🇬🇧💪
True...imagine piers Morgan hosting....guest never get a wording with him
I worked in factory of 250 staff and only 30 spoke english. Enoch had a crystal ball
Our poor country 🇬🇧 such a shame what has happened! Breaks my heart
You can leave , briton its ours now
The British empire caused much suffering around the world.
@@djo-dji6018 not my fault
@@djo-dji6018 why did you come here then?
@@djo-dji6018it created the modern world
This is what is called true free speech. Honest and open debate. Never to be seen again. Very sad.
The UK has never had freedom of speech. They all could have been arrested for this. It didn't used to happen in the past because of socio-political reasons, but that's changed.
@@sandpiper9288 nonsense. We did have free speech.
@@sandpiper9288 you're prob too young to remember that we did have free speech once
@@Fahrenheit451.When? Didn't they change the voice of Gerry Adams?
try Question Time ..heard of that?
Imagine this level of discussion being on TV now. The language used, the standard of debate. Nobody would watch it. Far too clever, far to civilised.
They wouldn't be able to follow it or concentrate long enough.
I am Mr Nobody, and you're correct, I would defos watch it.
He wouldn’t be allowed to speak these days 😔😡
@@markwheeler4245 Lol, what are you on about? Nick Griffin was on BBC's Question Time only a decade ago and Farage is always popping up in mainstream media.
@@InTenMinutes1 Not true. Joe Rogan's podcast is the #1 in the world and he sometimes has deep, hours-long conversations with scientists, philosophers, etc. etc. If a pot-smoking MMA can do it for hours while attracting millions of views from most lay people, it's clear that the mainstream media could do it as well but are far too short-sighted to do so.
Enoch ... a man ahead of time.
Extremely intelligent and predicted the future correctly, the best prime minster we never had 🇬🇧🏴🇬🇧
Best PM we never had.
Well, in that a nation gets the government it deserves, you are entirely correct. He would have destroyed Britain in half the time it's taking the current crop of racist shitbags.
He wasn't PM
@@notsoaveragejoe7275 Dumb and dumber
I think when a debate tween " Jonathan Miller Nd Enoch Powell" shows nothing but civility it's time to listen surely GB !
@@notsoaveragejoe7275 That would explain the word "never" in the original post.
I love how Dick lets them speak without interruption.
Indeed! What could he possibly add?
He's very like Michael Parkinson, a famous uk chat show host on at the same time. He let his guests speak.
He reminds me of Piers....same school of journalism
@@craigk621 Piers aka Mr interrupter?
Dick listens regardless if he agrees with them or not. Nowadays the presenter's are consumed with their own opinions that they wouldn't even know if the guest was even agreeing with them.
Two people with different and sometimes conflicting views, able to discuss matters intelligently and respectfully without a hint of personal insult or abuse. Something has definitely changed since then.
What has changed is that the mainstream media has become a psyop. Designed to pit factions against factions. Powell is delivering a compelling, intelligent discussion. Not a hint of racism. Just a stark depiction of reality. The truth is in what has transpired since. American cities are in ruins. The populations that inhabit them have failed on their own volition to "evolve".
I do not see a conflict in views here other than attitude!
The Miller guy was sneaky and manipulative
The insults from Miller to Powell were numerous and nasty.
@@donbudge6706 " Not a hint of racism." Said the skinhead with the dixie flag and a "Powell was right" shirt. Blow your brains out and do humanity a favor.
In my early teens, my father, would say, listen to this man and his words. I am in my 70s now.
In my teens (only 15 years ago), I swore blind that Powell was the worst of the worst. Now I'm an adult I feel mightily foolish.
@@plainjane2474Britain caused this problem them self by its policies & history of colonialism.,Now why should the other races in Britain care if you have low brith rates & commit white flight ✈️ .
Yes same here. As a teenager I thought he was a bigoted racist. Popularise view based on zero evidence. An intelligent scholar and remarkable visionary
same here and i'm nearly 80 my dad always made us listen to ENOCH
I join the club on this one I'm 74
Oh how they laughed. They're not laughing now.
Imagine two grown men with profoundly different opinions having a conversation of this nature without screaming at each other. These things used to happen!
@Paul WT Well if you put it that way the other is an Anti-ethnic, anti-immigration, anti-anything christian racist.
@@VirajKathwadia No one was concerned for his nation and the future of his people.
And no ad hominems. Not once was Powell called a Fascist and not once was Miller called a Communist.
The UK sealed its fate when it didn't listen to Enoch. Too late now.
Very true. The UK is lost
The number one reason the U.K imports groups of people called immigrants is because the monarchy family of the U.K and the upper class of the U.K decide to invade countries and colonise them. The immigrants used to be called slaves. They would invade middle eastern and African countries for example and take prisoners back home that would be forced to do work/labour for them, many young captives would be trained to fight for them. Pope's and King's and Queens used to start the building up of armies or funding armies to do the invading and when the were successful they would take slaves from the defeated side. The industrial revolution happened and the Pope's, King's/Queens/establishment began to call 'slaves' 'employees' instead. Look at Epic History tv YT channel, Europeans were taken as slaves for the last 1000 years and more. Modern tv propaganda implies only 'black' people were enslaved in the old style slavery. Most people agreed and agree with Powell. Everywhere that has had 'white' people 'migrate' to non 'white' countries has been and is regarded as negative. Yet they say the Native Indians of America had their land 'stolen'. The french and Belgians going to African countries was a bad thing but large non 'white' groups being brought to mostly 'white' countries is not bad somehow? The pope's and kings/queens still exist and and now business people/ banking families and they make cowards like Cavett and the other posh coward spin propaganda to indigenous 'white' people that if they speak about their replacement as such they will be called racist. Eventually they are going to switch the narrative to 'there are too many 'black' people or 'poc' in top jobs and start to remove them.
@@user-yp3oj5se1i You don't know anything about the UK do you? The vast majority of slaves in the British Isles have been Britons enslaved by immigrants (like the Romans, Angles, Jutes, Danes, Normans, etc.).
@@douglasherron7534 Can you give one example of what you are talking about? Where do you think i showed that i didn't know about UK? That's so strange how you say "The vast majority of slaves in the British Isles have been Britons"? Yes they "have been" slaves centuries ago. That was centuries ago. Britain has been doing the enslaving migration since. Rome invaded and attacked Gaelic/Irish people that were living in England ( not called England at the time) as the Irish populated Scotland and the country now called England. Ogham stones were and many still are located all around Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales. They are pre British and fully Gaelic/Irish. Britons only began after rome invaded. They were not called Britons before that, nowadays the British media/government use a made up term ( Celts) to describe the Gaelic/Irish people that lived there at the time. Celts, celtic people never existed, The British media only began to use the term 'Celt' in the 1700's. As a way of ignoring/not talking about the fact that Gaelic clans inhabited both islands pre roman invasion. Ancient Britons very first day of existence was when Rome colonised the area now called England. Ireland was only referred to as 'British' when occupied by Britain like how the U.S was when occupied by them. Ireland has been occupied by Dutch and Norwegian and English in the past but beat their invaders and is still Gaelic/Irish nowadays. ' Isle' is a geographical term for a much smaller island beside a larger island, The island of Ireland is not small enough to be an isle geographically. It is also much much older than England and Britain and as it's not part of Britain. It could have been known as British when occupied by Britain but even then not an isle like how Japan is not a Chinese isle. Referring to Ireland as British or a British isle and referring to Irish people as celts or Britons is simply incorrect and used as propaganda. "Celt is a modern English word, first attested in 1707, in the writing of Edward Lhuyd,". Isn't that funny how you claimed i knew nothing and yet schooled you?
@@cianog It hasn't been lost yet, it's wrong to give up hope too soon!
And now look at the state of the UK. Its easy to tell who was correct in this debate.
Enoch was totally right & the truth was always self evident.
He has been proven correct on almost every assertion he made.
@@garymac5571 And to think how he was ostracized by the politicians and elites who sought to destroy the culture of Britain. Those who speak the truth are almost always attacked as Enoch was.
Forty years later and still making more sense than ever.
Only Jonathan Miller made sense.
50 years later
@@adolphbismark4331 Powell only made sense to Little Englander's and fans of Oswald Mosely. To anyone with a modicum of sense it was easy to see that he was just recycling the same old lies.
@@GoneOffShore2 My old neighbourhood begs to differ.
@@edidpro what neighbourhood do you live in and what are the too problems in your neighbourhood? I think that is a reasonable question, please enlighten me.
Even though I'm American Enoch Powell was so far ahead of his time. He should have been prime Minister!
The only MP in my lifetime that has spoke the truth .. And a gentleman as well..
And a highly respected and quickly appointed senior officer in the British Army.
And skinner Skinner was a legend as well
Don’t forget Tony Benn
@@Paddyandpoppy I had, and still have, great admiration for Powell and Benn - both men who stood solidly by their principles
His conversation could not happen today on TV, amazing how patient they both are and have a great discussion about this issue.
“Two fifths of Birmingham”. How wildly inaccurate Powell was. He had no idea how psychopathic New Labour would be.
I know John Major 100% should have won in 1997, none of that would have never happened.
Agreed over a half and how about Leicester?
@@bruh949- I'm not convinced.
@@bruh949you are sorely mistaken
@bruh949 major should have lost in 1992 ge. In fact if it is not sdp, thatcher be gone in 1983
This is a very tense conversation.... and may never really happen again in the current late night circuit
Real Time maybe. Sam Harris/Ben Affleck springs to mind.
@@zaprese If you're comparing a Sam Harris/Ben Affleck exchange to any conversation/debate/interaction that involved Mr. Enoch Powell, then things have really sunk to an all-time low.
This level of discussion will never be allowed to happen again.
Powell was the last genuinely Conservative MP Britain ever had. The Tories now are money grubbing leeches who conserve nothing, quite the opposite in fact.
Enoch , the man who could see the future . And what a sad future the uk has had 😢😢
This conversation wouldn't make the airwaves these days,but how refreshing it is to allow the guests to speak and communicate, most things are solved with communication and not judgement
Not so much solved as to give someone preaching dangerous, popularist, hate speech to a mass audience
"I take my share of the blame for it" I'm 42 and I don't recall ever hearing a British politician ever having the integrity to utter those words. (Regardless of what Powell stood for).
You only need to look at who is running our country now to see how far we have slid into the abyss.Lies and hypocrisy made paramount.....
Me to,I'm 70 try to imagine the changes I have witnessed
Mr Miller can’t help himself my English cousins. I watch from the American South and I shudder at the thought. There will be rivers of blood.
Powell was a true and honest man who is owed an apology.
have you looked in the mirror lately?.....
The nikola tesla of politics, I agree with you, Enoch was way ahead of even George Orwell, few candles burn so bright.
@@SS-kp7hw explain the meaning behind that question...
@@leonardpiercy9837 u honestly need me to explain?maybe not a mirror then for you but a psychiatrist's couch...
@@SS-kp7hw yes, I do want you to explain... not only your mirror comment but also now you psychiatrist comment. Don't make snide comments that you won't explain and discuss because that's called passive aggression and is the mark of a coward.
Enoch was definitely able to see into the future!! Everything he said has come true not just in England but in every western country
I’m telling ppl there is something going on to make the west fall I’m hearing all they time these militant Middle East types telling me they are coming for the west and it will for. They sad that they lost the empires they had and want revenge instead of excepting strong powers came and you lost. And now we move past that they still want to conquer I’ve been told this first hand many times. But I’m called racist cuz I’m white working class British Immagrsnt family
Powell is very good and not afraid to state the truth how refreshing
Either way, its very apparent that the British Lexicon has shrunk considerably since 1970
Nah, ain't 'aven' that.
uwot m8
enoch i agree
In our defence, a large number of the words used by both guests are essentially superfluous to the conversation.
The result of a multicultural society. It is necessary in human existence as in mathematics, that an increasingly divergent set of numbers must cater to the *lowest common denominator* in order to continue to present harmony.
Time has only proven Enoch Powell to be correct.
It has proven he was utterly evil and a disgrace to this country.
@@kicka11 why is he evil and a disgrace? Because you dont like the inconvenient facts of the matter
@kicka11 Yeah, the grooming gangs, stabbings, terrorist attacks and cultural division really proved him wrong
@@adamford7808 got his ass with that lol
Not even slightly, he just made the racism against minorities worse
Whether one agrees with Powell or Miller how refreshing to see a proper intellectual debate, not least on an issue which seems to be impossible to be aired today.
I was a teenager when Enoch Powell made his Rivers of Blood speech. Next day I went into a newsagents and all the “common people” were have a lively discussion in support of him. Enoch was punished for stating the obvious and our grandchildren will really pay the price. Sometimes I wonder why our parents fought in WW2 to prevent invasion. Subsequent generations just opened the doors.
Because they were lied to about the enemy and were sent as lambs to the slaughter as some very rich families profited off of the destruction of Europe and increased their power by being able to buy everything cheap after its destruction. Both wars were evil and pointless, designed to make a few people money, and decimate the spirit, culture, population, and even history of Europe, maybe even forever.
@@orthodoxbelarussianopinion713 no, not forever
@@orthodoxbelarussianopinion713 because the "chosen people" who orchestrated ww1 and ww2 now promote diversity multiculturalism mass immigration.
@@orthodoxbelarussianopinion713 Both wars had to be fought though. No?
@@punksachoo5055 for who...
My God. Did Miller think that by using an inordinate amount of long words in his response would bamboozle an intellectual like Enoch Powell?
This method worked until 2016. Brexit and Trump broke neoliberal intellectualism for good.
@@BraveInstance or........ social media was used to prove that it’s not about the truth but more about what you can make people believe by playing to their emotions.
@@brentmeistergeneral6074 Only a very small minority of the voting public engage with politics via social media. No one takes intellectuals on their word anymore and rightly so.
@UniworldCityGGaon I wouldn't say Jonathan Miller was a toff only. He was a qualified medical doctor who specialised in Neurology, was an esteemed opera and theatre director and was one of the four members of Beyond the Fringe, which I admired greatly. He wasn't qualified however, in my opinion, to debate with Enoch Powell on such a divisive and potentially explosive issue.
@@BraveInstance are you serious? The whole of middle America follows trump on Twitter.
To the two men on the left and right....if you Could see England now!!!!!
Enoch Powell absolutely spot on.
Diversity has been so rewarding both for America and Europe. More crime, more poverty, more government handouts courtesy of the taxpayers.
Very true, if it was not for the working immigrants they would never afford the welfare for the white Americans!! more white people as a percentage claim welfare than immigrants in the US and it has been researched a few times.
You've got it!
Deal with it, your people have terrorised the world for centuries, colonialism comes back to roost and only then do people get upset about it, but it's still someone else's fault.
Single mothers.....
The west has become irreversibly invaded and all they can say for themselves is " well you stole from our country". Rich considering the foreigners cause the vast majority of crime in the uk and the usa!!!!!
Enoch has been proved correct again and again. Powell wasn't a racist, he was a realist.
Humpty-Dumpty Dick approves! :D
Racist
@@DhukuACcry some more
@@jjr1728 about what? Your side is losing lmao
@@DhukuAC our tribe is the most beautiful and tallest with the greatest diversity of eyes hair and physiques. Ethnics are brown eyes brown skin and black hair. Cry some more. You will never be tier 1 phenotype nordic.
I just watched a smashing, balanced documentary on his life, and it was rivetting. A life that burnt brightly. The scenes at home were very touching as well.
Is that on You Tube?
@@michael5089 On Eugenus rex channel and called odd man out. It touched me.
What's it called?
Name please?
@@michael5089 Enoch Powell.
Enoch was more right than he could ever have imagined
He wasn't though was he berty boy
@@benmorton8945 unfortunately he was spot on
@@bertybasilbennett3040 about what exactly?
@@benmorton8945 so you never watched the interview then?
@@bertybasilbennett3040 I'd just like to know what points he raised which you agree upon
I left U.K in 2004, I returned in 2017. It was unrecognizable.
Go back to where you'd been. I took your place. I am from Mauritius.
Maybe you got off at the wrong airport?
I migrated away in '87 hoping for a better life for my children. I cannot, therefore, criticise strongly ppl migrating to Britain with exactly the same goals. The few times I've been back - well, it's certainly changed significantly and demograhics of some cities were just as Powell predicted. The inclement weather was the same though.
Oh so you left to become an immigrant but now have come back and are criticising other immigrants. Maybe you were the right kind of immigrant and they are not. Maybe you were an ex-pat, a much more palatable title.
if you go to coastal towns - nothings changed !
Early life: Miller grew up in St John's Wood, London, in a well-connected Jewish family.
I was wondering how long it would take. This whole thread is a sump.
@@raedonaldson How long what would take?
There you go.Probably lives nowhere near immigrant population.
E.S.T
@@6oodfella , bringing up Miller's Jewishness. What relevance does it have? Is your point that coming from a certain background(Jewish in this case)or place(St John's Wood)tells us everything we need to know about someone? By that token, coming from a one parent family in a working-class area of Manchester would make me like some of the bigots on this thread.
Way ahead of his time
Enoch was a legend. We need him now more than ever.
Just look to how the British Pakistanis have purposefully NOT integrated in a single settlement throughout the UK - Birmingham, Preston, Bolton, Blackburn, Nelson (Christ, this place is every reason you’ll ever need) etc, etc.
I haven't researched this topic, but did this arise from the formation of Pakistan from what was West Pakistan? Were most of the original emigrants Hindi and Buddhist and not Muslim? Now do these communities have to forbear the horrible sound of loudspeakers screaming demonic calls to prayers to people stupidly not able to set their smart phones to a 5 time a day ring?
Funny how the people most for diversity live far away from it... Ps Nuckle dragging little Englander.
@George Piddington A bit like all the British immigrants in Spain. Tens of thousands of Brits who have lived here for decades but do not speak a word of Spanish. They live in British settlements, shopping solely at British supermarkets, eating British food and only mixing with other Brits. Sound familliar?
@@robertsinnerman7804 my sister live there and speaks fluent Spanish as do her friends.
@@JohnSmith-lb6ww this is actually verified in sociological studies. Robert Putnam’s Bowling Alone shows that the communities with the most diversity are those with the most Balkanization and lack of community
Enoch was a professor at the University then brigadier in the army before the age of 30.
Well he was probably right but personally I feel he went over the top with all that stuff about grinning piccaninnies. As he said himself, all political life ends in failure.
He was unionist MP for South Down too and liked some of the people from Kincora home. Ask the survivors.
Politics is all about winning over the moderates, middle ground voters to your line of thinking. Enoch made them run the other way. His verbal excess harmed the cause he was invested in.
@Alex Ryan The grinning piccaninnies?
OK but all that stuff about the River Tiber foaming with much blood and black men having the whip hand was nonetheless very inflammatory. Even close friends abandoned Enoch after the speech. He did have a reputation too after his resignation with Thorneycroft over the Macmillan budget. Probably right on that too.
Enoch Powell is wasting his time there trying to debate with Mr Bean! Everything Powell said back then has come to fruition and all to the detriment of the UK
I agree with both of them. Wonderful discussion. It shows how far our culture and society has gone down through a degradation of mismanagement and the chasing of an audience. This would thrill modern day audiences as it still does.
"I felt Miller may have been a tad utopian in his faith" - indeed he was, and that attitude by many then, later, and now, is one of the reasons why the obvious negatives of mass immigration have never been properly addressed by 50 years of governments. @@anjke
Great debate from both sides. Two intelligent philosophers understanding eachother's points and counter-arguing. A dying tradition, especially in Britain.
shame the other comes from the Tribe.. The Tribe that follows the Kalergi Plan. The tribe that crys out pain whilst striking you.. Small Hats & big noses...
A pity they had a halfwit sat between them
I really enjoy watching these Dick Cavett interviews, I know nothing about him being a Brit but he had some great guests. This interview between two intellectuals is fascinating, possibly because we no longer see these on TV anymore, which is a shame.
The guy on the left was terrible.
@@bernardhessley9599A perceptive and intelligent chap, as was Enoch.
Here, in the 70's, two people who STRONGLY disagree still perform a relatively high quality debate. How many have felt the unsettling degeneration of debating standards over the subsequent years?
The Left will no longer debate - they simply smash your face in.
@@patricketienne2579 I don't think they are all like that. Some on the left still debate well. Intelligent arguments against your position refine your own arguments and (in my opinion) there will always be a market for refined, articulate arguments; even if it's just at cocktail parties.
My son and I strongly debate matters we disagree on as do he and his friends-intelligence and respect for your opponents point of view is still alive and well
It's not a 'relatively' high quality debate, it /is/ a high quality debate.
I think that Dick Cavett was enthralled that two people could converse in this manner.
If only we had listened.
Listening to this interview you realise that free speech was lost long ago
very prescient.
👏👏👏👏
And people back then said free speech was when watching a clip from and old show and people 20 years in the future will be saying the same thing when watching a clip from today and so on. The same old whine.
And there,are the changes and problems Powell was pointing out.
But here we all are saying exactly what we want. Those that bemoan the death of free speech usually want to say something cunty but not face the consequences of people responding with, “don’t be cunty.” We’re only reading this on the internet. Has any of us NOT endured the opinions of others every single time we go online?
Never before were Enoch's words so true
Traitor
@@jupitermoongauge4055 soy boy
Sad 😢
Stay mad. You British fools came tonight country first and now we are taking over yours.
Enoch has been proved right.
Not really. His numbers are wrong.
@@lockelamora8989 He got the 2/5ths proportion of Birmingham's inhabitants in the 21st Century exactly right, though; it's almost exactly 40%, as at 2023. Remember, this would have been significant to him as a former MP of a Birmingham constituency i.e. Smethwick.
@@tristanwilkinson9516 incorrect. Look up the numbers.
This debate is still relevant 60 years later. 😊
If only he could see Birmingham today. He's been proven so right.
not if he saw the NHS first.....nearly every caregiver is black. Conveniently forgotten.
@@SS-kp7hw Couldn't those jobs have been filled by Brits ?
@@SS-kp7hw the NHS had nothing to do with what he said in that interview.
@@SS-kp7hw "Of the 1.2 million employed by the NHS, 20.7% belong to Black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) background." - Easy enough to find out.
@@SS-kp7hw a common myth peddled. Here is the true demographics of the NHS 80% white, mostly British but they don’t broadcast this. Read more. www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/workforce-and-business/workforce-diversity/nhs-workforce/latest
I remember a time when you could hear great debates like this every night down the local pub.
🤣now it's just halfwits struggling to make a sentance
Well, I suppose there would need to still be pubs for that..😒
@@DeSpereaux_ even if we had them ,people were just alot more layed back & didn't take life to seriously & knew how to have a laugh no matter what the circumstances back then. We had great times ,you could feel the energy in the air life was that good.
@@CC-ff7ft yeah well, it can be hard to summon the energy after you’ve consumed your carvery and finished appeasing the children that are running through the tables, working of a sugar rush from the limitless ice cream.. Besides nobody can afford the 2 pints it takes to get into the mood..😅
@@DeSpereaux_ so true.🤣
This open debate is more important now than it ever has been especially for legacy media to broadcast it…
Well HOW well this has aged….!
When ‘talk’ shows were TALK shows !’
Actually that's true, now it's all about the hosts ego and celebrities from the entertainment industry.
@@nightowl7459 with no brains between them
people just seemed more on it!
A totally different standard..I think the one key word that comes to mind is "depth".
Enoch powell .. a great man way ahead of his time.
Salute and respect to this true British patriot we the people should have listened to him .🇬🇧🇬🇧🏴🏴🇬🇧🇬🇧
A very clever man who cared
I seem to remember that in one of Enoch's speeches he quoted that as many as 50.000 immigrants a year might come to the UK, changing the face of our culture irrevocably. If only he knew then about the MILLIONS that would actually come! In London, Slough, Luton, Bradford, Rotherham etc etc the indigenous Brit is an ethnic minority.
Aye because a lot of Brits immigrants, emigrated to Spain etc. But we don't call them immigrants, they are expats. Ha Britainnia rules the waves lol. They make it up as they go along lol 😆
@@barbara-annperry5941 The last I heard though, the Brits were welcome in Spain because of the money they brought with them. I'm not sure Spain would be so welcoming if all those people of colour in their little rubber boats headed South instead of West...in fact why don't they, one asks oneself? Could it be that we have a more laissez faire attitude to ILLEGAL immigrants (and their families that follow them in short order!)? Spain is obviously not so generous - nor the Middle East states who accept NO immigrants at all on the basis of 'cultural differences' (huh?).
@@reddogchi Who told you that?
@@barbara-annperry5941 Which bit?
@@barbara-annperry5941 There are not 10 million Brits in Spain. I take it you are Scottish like me, but you are an SNP supporter.
I feel the internet has filled the vacuum left by the disappearance of this kind of television, and proved there is a huge demand for intelligent debates. Keep expecting Dick to start reading out Super Chats.
Referring to whom, may I ask?
@@AdamMetwally what? I'm confused...
Enoch. You were so right. A brave man to say what you said at the time. Look at the state of England now.
So crazy watching this knowing how the story ends 😢
Enoch Powell we need you now. What a highly intelligent, honourable truth teller.
This doesnt happen to a nation without them allowing it. You know that most people dont care and never will till its too late or effects them. No one did anything and we only have ourselves to blame
Conorshaw ..not true Britain was battered by the IRA ,the Irish were not kicked out or mistreated by the British people. Mainly due to strict laws the same laws that protect asians and africans . After his speech Labour brought in tough laws that could see people go to prison now laws to protect perverts .. In 2023 ,sadly everything he said is true. No go areas in many cities . A total alien culture dominating everything. The BBC dedicated a whole documentary to the Curry barons . Turn on the TV particularly the news and it is spot the white man. Asian studio presenter crossing to other asians around the globe all working for the BBC . The white English protestant is a distant memory in their own land. This week October 2023 sees gangs of immigrants raiding shops in London's famous and affluent Oxford street . In the 1970's it was very rare to see a non white person there . Now hundreds charging in and out of shops like a Viking raid . Mr Lyon MP for York and Hugh Heffer walton MP were totally wrong when in Mr Lyons case stated that " the next generation will be born here ,brought up in our culture and fully integrated like any English person " well facts are facts and he was totally wrong. It was just wishful thinking on his part. The asians have turned whole districts into the squalid dumps that they left behind. The others are just as violent as they are today in the countries that they left . Now today the Tory party is run by asians who like Joe Biden aline's with Ireland ( non NATO ) they aline with hindu India and believe in the cast system. So not only have they destroyed what they came here for they now run his party ,and very badly . It is too late , the country is finished . Do gooders embraced the asians and crapped on their own. Turn the lights off and leave if you can. However where to go after BREXIT ?
Except that you are forgetting how the mass are being brainwashed/manipulated by the biased mass media
You must have forgotten about all the wars where people fought and died.
Who was asked if they were happy with the influx? Who was happy with anything then or now? They take the taxes etc in government and basically decide without the general population even knowing what is happening , they have never listened to the working man. We could have closed and secured our country, only letting people in who would benefit the UK. The boats could have stopped, but the government still ignore and do not tell the truth!!
If only there was a real man with a real voice governing England now. I applaud Mr Powell. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Everything he said came true, the man was a prophet and true patriot. Most politicians are traitors nowadays.
By making this 'older people create conflict' metaphor, Miller affirms Enoch's view that societal cohesion is indeed a problem Miller effectively argued against himself. If old people create generational conflict on our society, then why would we want to stress society further by adding immigrants?
Indeed, similar to the argument that Peter Hitchens has made on Question Time (I'm paraphrasing): "Yes, but if we know that London itself is overpopulated and has caused housing prices in London to be completely unaffordable to all but the superwealthy, and why there is a housing shortage in the nation at large, why should we exacerbate the problem by importing more and more immigrants?" As Enoch Powell said in this interview, one is inevitable and one isn't.
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@@colonynaut1627 Not sure what you're referring to as far as a Manichean dialectic. The point is that, if the British gov't makes the policy that affects or even determines average housing prices, they have an intrinsic duty to do what's best for the people they represent, not what's best for hundreds of thousands of non-citizens who have neither voted nor paid a cent in taxes upon their arrival in the country.
"All I ask for is you don't live in a fools paradise".....perfect.
This is what happens when you found your education on archetype; instead of the wisdom of your own experience, aka, anybodys fool..
Unbelievable insights, considering they were expressed in 1971 (over 50 years ago). Good think he's not still around to see Birmingham today.
Good old Enoch Powell proven to be right to an alarming degree god help us
lol shut up
@@MissBlennerhassett876 Ignorance is bliss
@@jimtomo9207 Coming from small-minded racists, that's hilarious 🤣
He hasn't been proven to be right though, has he? Miller was right that this strife is manufactured, not innate in the species. The younger generation who have grown up in the most ethnically diverse generation, are incredibly liberal and pro-diversity because they grew up in this supposedly nightmarish pluralistic culture Powell warns us about here. It's mostly the people of Powell's generation who take umbrage at whether a briton has a high melanin count in their skin. In/out-group tribalism is inherent in the species. But the boundaries are socially manufactured. When you have different looking people in your in-group, you will not be tribalistic against them.
He has been proven right, and in fact much of what Powell said (not necessarily in this video but elsewhere) was an underestimation compared to the mass immigration of later decades. You say "boundaries are socially manufactured" but you must remember that it is a two-way street. I saw this video many years ago and I was 100% on the side of Miller. Now I'm a bit older and more experienced, I'm almost totally on the side of Powell. I am 35 years old and grew up with a diverse set of friends. You are correct that I cannot be tribalistic against them, but the picture is larger than any one person's set of friends. @@ash_yt0
My god how prescient was this discussion regarding current events in South London.