Why Better Suspension is Faster than More Power
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We all know you want to go fast. But have you ever thought that adding horsies might be the wrong move? Today on B2B we're exploring how modifying you suspension can get you moving faster than adding all the power in the world. Mo' powah baby? Not today! Let's go!
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This is one of the most epic commercials I have seen in a long time. Don't think Hyundai paid you enough.
i'm just kinda proud they got sponsored by a car company as huge as hyundai
Indeed, fully rad.
Sounded like he said "Honda" at the start
I actually seen someone with a tuned up Hyundai like that one recently, looked pretty sick actually.
Thought he called them Honda
Really should show more on how TT trucks go through the desert so fast because of shocks. The #1 man at fox racing shocks has recently passed. Maybe do a video on him and his work throughout motor sports and even downhill mountain biking. Revolutionized the game with his knowledge
this is a great idea!
Agree great idea
Incredible idea. Then discuss internal and standard bypass shocks and how offroad suspension technology has some of the most abusive use of shocks.
Do it!!!!
Bro go work for donut already
I had a base Kona for about a year. Actually really liked it. A deer decided I'd had it long enough.
They make pretty solid vehichles these days
Kinda wild considering like 15 years ago they were the butt of jokes
The deer decided it was time for you to upgrade to the N version lol
Lmao I’ve been there man. Deer seem to think you’ve had your car long enough
A deer jumped in front of our civic and died. It hit our in such an angle that only the hood got damaged. So we just had to get that replaced.
donut explains things to us like babies but plays it off as a joke to save our ego. i love it
Well like I mean most of their viewers are young teens like me in their 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, and 15th year
@@thespideranimationstudios8533 that's nice you don't only watch tiktoks :D
Suspension tuning is real magic. It can "feel" great, taught, and drivable but actually increase tire wear and track times. There is a true balance between making it work well and feel right.
Right
One of the many ways to balance oversteer vs understeer.
Suspension talks to the chassis, the tires, the axel, and most or least importantly your butt
RIP Fran 🙏 Definitely thought there was going to be a yo momma joke when Jeremiah was talking about bottoming out suspension.
RIP Fran. Allah may bless you. 🙏 Amin.
Those yomamma jokes fucking kill me every time!
I laughed so hard at that part, third wall broke down 😂
Hey, sorry but who's fran ? I dont really remember their names
@@izumadodoesstuffinc.6917 watch the Hyundai advertisement, pretty funny
That “commercial” was hilarious! It’s literally one of the very few times I wanted to sit thru an entire ad. Good job Donut crew!!!
"Fran died this morning"💀
This has turned out to be one of my favorite episodes. As a teenager I had assumed being able to control my car and break better would help me go faster being as our chosen race course in high school was a lonely curvy State Road. 17 year old me is vindicated,man I miss that car.
You lived as a character in Initial D?! 😂 What's the car?
Brake**
Glad to see James and Jerry are still gonna be weird car guys when they get old. My condolences for Fran though. That's rough Pumph!
Who's Fran tho? I thought I watch all through out the episode and can't find out who died
@@thateffinguy2422 Watch the sponsored commercial from Hyundai.
@@kalvincarter1780 That should be the official Hyundai ad at the Superbowl.
Costume are serious this time!
Thanks for having us on the show. The Catfish is on its way to becoming The Trackfish riding on UMI Performance Cornermax suspension. And it's fun knowing more behind the scenes secrets coming soon. We can't wait to see this weapon on track.
Turbo LS or is he going procharger style supercharger?
Do y'all have a watts link kit for a 3rd gen camaro?
@@blueeyeswhiteguy3399 yessir! Same exact one we installed on the Trackfish. UMI p/n 2080
Great work! And keep nagging them to come to KOTM!
Does this have the coilovers you made with Strano?
Great explainer Jerry! We love suspension! so underrated
Jerry has easily become one of my favorite hosts 🤣 hope he stays on the show for a while
Jerry- "hey james we need a B2B on suspension" James- "yeah that sounds good" Jerry- "we should put completely change out the suspension on my catfish, for educational purposes of course" James- "yeah educational" Jerry- "you didnt say no"
This is EXACTLY how it went down
🤣
I really want a longer version of this video showing the install process I love watching you guys work on cars and the camaraderie between you guys.
I am pretty sure there is more videos coming. Stay tuned!
There has to be some episodes coming up. No way they'd throw that much money on Jer Bears car without getting their money's worth
The visual aids of these videos are what hold the world together, they help me understand it so much better
Great video! taught me a lot about specifics and the particulars of the components that integrate with the suspension beyond coil overs that I wasn’t too knowledgeable on but now I have a new insight and the knowledge thanks to you guys👍🏽
This is honestly one of the best and most informative videos I've seen on Donut. Explaining complex stuff in an easy to understand format. I've been planning on a project Civic but mainly focusing on boosting power, now I'm definitely gonna look into suspension first.
Always do suspension first. You'll be clapping cars with twice your horsepower through the Twisties. Suspension, traction, gearing and weight reduction will have you beating almost everything without even touching your motor. Ask me how I know 👍
@@Whats-It-To-Ya how do you know?
@@Whats-It-To-Ya I'd like to know too as a novice.
As the old Lotus chief said: "simplify and add lightness" Weight reduction and chassis/suspension tuning are the biggest factors in fast lap times. You could have a million horsepower stuffed in a wallowing pig of a chassis and it wouldn't make it fast.
no really i'm impressed
Holy smokes. Hyundai sponsored u! Not a colab, not a product review/placement. A straight up sponsor by a car manufacturer. Big Congrats. Ps. Your commercials are hands down the best on the internet.
i want to thank you guys. i’ve been trying to get into cars especially since i just got my wrx and i never really knew where to start. you’ve taught me and told me what stuff is and i can’t wait to start modding my car. ( with more knowledge ofc )
Ive been working on cars and trucks, semi trucks, for 15-20 yrs now im a double master tech ASE L1,L2, ASE A1 to A9 ,X1 , customer service and maintenance Ase certifications, ive heard alot of ways to work on many things and never stop learning, yall make it funny and easygoing and informative. Great work yall
The only channel where I never skip over the ads. That Hyundai ad was great👌🏼
that might have been the greatest ad I have seen on YT lol
The ad was really good, I'll admit that. But the car is absolute trash. It's a Hyundai and it's an SUV, there's absolutely nothing sporty about that. That paint scheme isn't going to fool real car guys. I bet you any amount of money that pile of trash handles like garbage. And 280 horsepower in a heavy SUV is only 200 horsepower in a regular car like a Civic or Focus. Not worth bragging about. It really was a cool ad though.
@@Whats-It-To-Ya holy s***, kona is an suv? What kind of SUV that weights only 1.3 tonnes?
@@Whats-It-To-Ya should take a look at the track reviews. It's no type R or golf R, but it's way cheaper, doesn't overheat like those do, and handles the track surprisingly well.
@@Whats-It-To-Ya also, the civic is 3040lbs, the Kona N is 3340....300 lbs for 100 more horsepower, electric suspension, LSD, etc... Worth the tradeoff
Love the subtle cut away from Jerry being unable to compress the spring by hand at 04:04, it was a pretty ambitious move
i don't think he was actually trying, everyone knows it's not easy.
I do a lot of tuning for fun in BeamNG and needed suspension geometry explained to me in simpler terms- thank you so much Jerry!
Excellent excellent video! I would totally watch a whole series explaining suspension, please make that!
These guys really have transformed ADs, actually fun to watch
The difference Before/After is going to be amazing. That Camaro is a very bad racing car, shared similar or identical suspension with really regular street cars of that age (GM was having issues) So it's going to be night and day... the traction, I want to see the level of oversteer before the tires get real temperature
@@RebeccaCampbell1969 ?
@@gooburt probably replied to the wrong comment on accident
She definitely replied to the wrong comment but everything she said was wrong too. The 4th gen Camaro is most certainly not a bad handling car. I have an '02 SS and the double wishbone suspension was almost world class when it was released.
Just took my steering and suspension course. This was more informative than the past 3 weeks of class
UTI just basically gives a brief overview with hands on and calls it good lol - UTI Graduate
@@kalaebquinn4542 LTI promises 95% hands on learning and 5% classroom lecturing to young high school kids to get them in the door only to disappoint them when it turns out to be 99.5% sitting in a classroom listening to an instructor teaching them to do repairs the wrong way and .5% hands on. My advice to kids looking to go to an automotive school: NEVER give Lincoln Technical Institute (also called Lincoln College of Technology) any attention. I learned more watching youtube in one month than I did at LTI in 14 months. Going there was the worst mistake of my life.
Petition to make this an actual Hyundai commercial 🎟
Awesome video! As an owner of a 2001 Camaro SS I love seeing coverage of the platform. UMI is a great company with quality parts and customer service, I’ve been using their products for a while now. I first learned how important suspension tuning is years ago when I got my motorcycle suspension tuned to my weight. It felt like 100lbs was removed from the bike.
I genuinely wish that Jeremiah tought all my engineering courses. I’d be a 4.0 student
If you actually are taking engineering courses you wouldn't have said that.
@@ITS-ME-EVERLY I’m literally about to graduate from OSU this winter homie
Fuck calc 3😭
@@ibrahimkhaleel437 take numerical methods, then you don't have to do the nitty gritty calculus or solve differential equations by hand.
@@jamessizemore7103 yes. 2022 is only 3 weeks away James.
By FAR the best Donut ad EVER! 😂😂😂
Awesome explanation of suspension mods. Keep up the great work you guys do.
Excellent job explaining the function and importance of suspension!
With a project car my first things to mod are suspension, tires, exhaust, and good seats. Modern cars have great hp numbers but not so good suspension. By modern i mean 2010s you can easily get 300+ hp but they have not so good suspension and tires so both of those will defiantly help with your track needs as well as not compromising on reliability edit: in no particular order
Tires before touching suspension. Having more grip than your suspension can handle will highlight major weak points and get you upgrading the right parts first.
I think you are both right and wrong (mostly right) Suspension is very advanced on most cars now a days but it isn't exactly sporty or very thrilling. Thanks for comming to my Ted talk.
@Jay Dee Yup tires and breaks are probably the most important thing to get so you can slow down and not become an airplane.
Exhaust??? If it's just to make noise, what's the point? Doing so will create issues with the OEM PCM/ECU setup... And then wrong order... Tires are first unless you are making a 100% racetrack car. But's ok, you just said it in context... everything has a place and order
ZkybiXD Well said, just the break pads compound... even my SUV has carbon fiber / ceramic pads and it's amazing he he he, but yeah need driving time to achieve temperature.
you know what we need from donut... we need to see a video where all the workers show their cars and hopefully race them to see whos the fastest at donut :)) btw i love the videos
I think Jeremiah would stand a pretty good chance in that
Fantastic research and work as always, thanks for the great content Donut!
I work on tractor trailers, it's cute how it came apart with battery impacts. Great that you can figure out how to squeeze into those tiny gasser gaps and tight angles!
Definitely one of the best episodes donut has ever produced. From the scripting to the subject matter and everything in between. Good on ya.
They totaly failed and missundarstend concept of caster in comparision car and shoping cart. They have got the same, positive caster. They do not understand what caster is whic suprised me because they are very good car chanel.
As a mechanical engineer, I enjoyed this! Good work on the Hyundai commercial, too! I actually watched all of it!
One of my favorites yet. Amazing job Uncle Jerry and the boys!
one of the best splainors out there thanks for making me understand even complex stuff with my tiny little mind much appreciated! keep it up!
"If you dont think learning about cars is fun, **** you" love it yall, keep it up!
I was a 1/4 mile racer back in the 1980's, early 90's... my teens and after... I learned how to do everything myself, "a girl" lol (great dad). But college came and I had to focus, so I dropped cars and started modding computers.. and I mean really modding them, watercooling because of the overclocking. But then I got my CX7 back in 2007, AWD... and I started to mod it, tune it actually... minor hardware improvements. So I was back, and I got to get me a Speed3, and I did in 2013... ahh, you can imagine how happy this girl is, and how much I tuned it. "Not for weak at spirit", he he Yeah, not for everyone... but yeah cars are awesome. And I can cook too he he he
I need to convince my boss to pay for my suspension upgrades.
Subtle flex eh 😂
@@shiftonephoto very subtle 😂
I love hearing Jerry educate me about my holes. Thank you Jerry! 😮
You guys even do the ads so well, they are worth watching. Best channel on YT
Best ad yes gentlemen 🤝
That Hyundai Kona N commercial was great 😌
As a man who’s first muscle car love was GM F-bodies 22 years ago…this video was both informative and soul food. 🥰 💪🔧
If hyundai doesn’t use that as a legitimate television commercial i will be disappointed
Personally, I combine both.
Take the Red pill, for Power Take the blue pill, for the suspension Real Enthusiasts take both with a huge sip of good oil‘ liquor And sweat
@@nassermansour5706 exactly!
Translation you buy power first and keep convincing yourself you'll buy suspension later
I combine 4 : Power Suspensions Brakes Tires
Yeah, why improve one component when you can just improve everything(although if there was a budget cap, then each part can only be improved by a small amount
You should put back the progress bar when playing Ads... That was so appreciated.
This is such a great explanation I can even relate a lot of it to my 4x4 setup
Round of applause for the camera men/women for laughing with Jer's jokes and including them in the final editing cut. It makes the video so much more personable as a viewer.
I’d love to see a B2B on the effects of changing each part of the suspension, toe, chamber, stiffness, roll bars, etc.
They kinda did that on that one Money Pit episode where Zach installs new coilovers. He wanted to do the alignment himself, so he explained where the differences between those things are and what they do
Here's the vid I was talking about: kzhead.info/sun/gb6Ol7KCoYeHf5E/bejne.html
agreed... it kinda seems like an incomplete video to me -- like "we're taking to willow springs, and gonna compare it to prior lap times done in og suspension...", but then not even telling you in the description, how well or poorly it affected the lap time, more less include it as the end of video -- or even better for them, a tied in part 2, they can make more $ on with no effort of creating another idea/ topic... i luv the channel, but this 1's not a pass
Fun fact: coming last is harder than coming first
Thats what he said
Appreciate the more technical vids. Totally up for singular vids on each matter
I work for Hyundai and you guys did such an amazing job on the commercial!!!! I say this all the time… WE NEED BETTER COMMERCIALS!!! Love you guys
Jerry, you're the best. This is really a dope hunk of media about a hard topic to cover. You're a saint and everyone involved are wizards. I am still looking for the straight to DVD movie where you and that photoshop hawk do a Pee Wee's Big Adventure style road trip movie with Nolan as a guy who wants to be a close up magician.
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“Big thank to Honda” is what I heard and I got very confused.
Learning about cars is always fun. 🤩 me working on my 05 Mazda 6 is a great journey so far
I did a umi road race suspension on my "catfish" enjoy it. Now have it taken apart for cam and header install. Love the vids.
I have a 2000 LS1 Camaro. 6speed t56. Stock drivetrain and fully beefed up suspension. UMI Adjustable tubular control arms all the way around, Bilstein shocks, Sam Strano springs, strut bar, subframe connectors, big sway bars, corbeau seats and Nitto tires. The old Camaro is a blast to drive, with just a full intake, full exhaust and tune on the engine. 198k miles 😅
Sounds like a monster.
@@joem1382 click on my channel here if you want to see the Dyno
My 2000 is very similar to yours except it's on konis and has a 3600 stall.
@@nalongi85 that's cool. The subframe connectors and strut bar made a huge difference on stiffness. It's a pleasure to drive. Maybe a little loud on longer trips though ha. The corbeau seats we re a great upgrade over stock. Whole different feel
Well done! Jeremiah clearly put a lot of work into this, he deserves the car parts!
Great explanation of how it alll works. Thx
Great video with good animation examples may have to watch again to comprehend but I definitely learned from this.
Day 6 (i think) of asking an up to speed on the midnight club series
I agree with this statement. Even more so it helped define car culture to a younger audience
kzhead.info/sun/ZMiviLOehKqdaYk/bejne.html
There was a past gas on that
That Hyundai ad was hysterical...and inspirational. Think Ill go by my local Hyundai dealer..didnt know that little punch buggy was so cool. Oh, in BLUE!
When I was just starting 2 get into mods shortly after getting my license I had already gotten use to a 92civic hatch but when I purchased a friend's 4door 93 civic sedan which had the v tech and Turbo ready setup with it chipped and programed he also had Tokiko blue lowering springs in the front and a complete set of energy suspension bushings installed and I was astounded what a difference that made. Taking a left corner you'd normally feel the car wanting to go right giving resistance but instead you'd take that left had turn and you can feel and see the car sucking itself to the ground as the turning GeForces got higher. Still blown away at how safe and capable that car was. Granted there where a few that I plan on leaving regular rubber instead of polyurethane but overall wonderful to have on the streets of Wisconsin...
That Hyundai commercial was the only car ad I think I’ll remember, first time I watched the full ad read in any video in a long time, bravo 🙌🏼
When you're referring to "Cavitation" around 7:25 you end up explaining aeration cavitation is actually voids of nothing being formed in the fluid, this is usually the primary reason hydraulic power steering pumps and water pumps fail. When those little voids collapse they actually cause pitting and damage to metal surfaces as the voids collapsing are actually incredibly powerful!. Love what you do Jerr bear, as a technician I usually have a strong "dislike" for engineers, you've changed my opinion on them....slightly.
I think he just didn't do a great job explaining but the aeration is a result of cavitation. There is some air dissolved in the oil and the cavitation causes a low pressure area that pulls the air out of the oil as a vapor. It's not really the bad kind of cavitating that violently collapses and destroys pumps and is more like steam bubbles when you boil water.
@@ShellSide I'm far from an expert on the matter but my understanding is Aeration and Cavitation are two different phenomena one is in which air is introduced and the other is in which air is actually restored after being dissolved, so by that understanding Cavitation wouldn't cause aeration as no air is actually being added into the system. That's why aeration doesn't cause the same collapsing of bubbles and pitting of components. I'm fairly certain jerr bear is correct in saying Cavitation as no air is being introduced to a sealed shock absorber assembly, but he explained the wrong process which is honestly an easy mistake to make.
I know how Hyundai felt when he mentioned the transmission wet 🤣
I've never known what a wet clutch is, can someone explain? Maybe it has to so something with heat
@@iLIKELASAGNAaLOT It means the clutch in submerged in transmission fluid
@@iLIKELASAGNAaLOT Wet clutch is the system that clutch plate bathed in transmission oil. They are more durable than dry clutch but has more power loss.
THANK YOU! I was debating on power or suspension. I’m from cali and hate these bumpy roads so my truck is getting a suspension first!
My best friend (who is a mechanical engineer) and I (who is a race car builder) are building a mid engine trophy truck hybrid right now. We are seriously looking into suspension geometry right now as the chassis is in the development stages. This is a video I sent him to understand what I was getting on about concerning that.
Bruh trophy trucks are super complicated. Most racers run a chassis designed by 2 or 3 companies and just assemble themselves. Check out Armada Engineering that's the chassis we ran. They have thousands of hours in rand d you are better off copying an existing design than trying to make your own. This video doesn't even begin to touch on the intricacies of tt suspension, none the less off-road suspension at all.
MOST cars get better with just tires and some good suspension (Thanks for making videos guys. You guys make me like cars again.)
Tires have stiffer sidewalls for the higher speed ratings.
a real car lover will always be a car lover
@@speed4age I mean depending on if you work on cars then you start to hate them haha
@@unfinishedquest I feel that, but the reality is that in one way or another you will always like them, although sometimes they give headaches
That Hyundai ad is gold 😂
best add I have ever seen by you guys and it was actually satisfying
Would love to see a part two of this vid with more time showing the swap almost like a money pit style, feel like there’s gotta be a ton of usable footage even if narration has to come from in front of the green screen. Regardless, nice vid nice work
There diagrams of everything are absolutely amazing and so helpful with understanding how things are working together
I've been waiting to see that commercial since I saw the Insta post yesterday, holy cow did it deliver 😆 "Fran wouldn't let you buy something like that" "Fran died this morning"
One of the best videos of B2B ! Well done !
Love to see a cross over with Jason from Engineering Explained and Jezza . Two engineers with a love of cars and great sense of humour
@34 seconds sounded like Honda so I put the subtitles on and it agreed with me. Great video as always
This is exactly why I love my '02 SS. That double wishbone setup is pure magic. I have Eibach Sportlines with Konis, upgraded swaybars, strutbars and poly bushings everywhere with Copper Cobra tires. It does circles around my brother's C6 Corvette through the Twisties. 🤘
Awesome stuff. Very informative. The subtle weird jokes are spot on. Hunday's ad is probably the best this year.
Please do the whole series on tuning the suspension🙏🏻
Damn I remember when you guys were at low 1 mill subs. Almost 6 mill now. Hats off to you boys
Ironically, in the past few months I have installed front and rear sway bars, control arms, panhard bar and relocation bar, strut brace and poly bushings and mounts on my 1995 formula, all of them from UMI. Just those things have made my bird handle like it’s on rails. And UMI made it so easy that my 12 year old son did most of the work. Great, easy, cost effective and noticeable! Next up, autocross!!!
Well that's awesome Matthew! Thanks for choosing UMI.
@@rameywomer3139 thanks for making it easy and exciting for getting the next generation interested in cars. And I won’t even mention the other brands that my buddy used on his 4th gen camaro who sent him ill fitting and wrong parts. Always UMI, and always in red!
@@matthewwiles7067 Damn, wish UMI had parts for export cars. Would love to kit out my E36 with their stuff if it's THAT good 😞😅
Matthew I can vouch for that. I used BMR chromoly parts on my 1994 TA and it was a mean machine with the panhard bar, torque/tranny brace, Hotchkis sways and upper strut brace, lowering springs, Bilstein HDs.... I also had the subframe connectors welded in and it was solid all around. Handled way better than my 2006 GTO IRS rear and all...
Sick AF. And youre really good explaining this stuff🤘
12:11 this info about double wishbone suspension is giving me ideas for my next car suspension upgrade.
Love your video. I spent most of my adult life as a formula driver. Rebound shock settings made the most positive difference in lap times. My theory is go soft on the bounce and hard on the rebound.
Is sth worse than front end lifting quickly when exiting the corner?
I miss seeing Zach Jobe in front of the camera! Donut, PLEASE tell me there’s something in the works? Gracias 🙏🏼
they surely make lots of videos per week... even a short time out on vacation could mean 1 month out of screen ..
Zach and Jerry are working on an all new show, keep an eye out in the coming weeks 👀
I miss seeing Zachs hair on camera
Love this episode, great work!
great episode. really enjoyed it.
I absolutely love seeing all these guys getting along in the garage. Wholesome car work is best car work 😊♥️
Hi Brian Roediger.
Facts. Try doing it all yourself, it's so maddening. 😕
Damn dude you just given me a quick recap of suspense basics! Awesome vid as always 🔥🔥🔥
I love this video. I know car stuff but man does it help to know more more car stuff!
Gran Turismo taught me everything i know about suspension 😂this video is informative and i love it!
Damn they convinced me to trade my Sti for a Kona n
I'd really like to see ya put these theories to the test. Say, two near identical cars, one upgraded with better suspension, wheels, and tires; and the other with more powah baby. That would be an interesting video.
If theres lots corners on the road the test takes place on, the one with the suspension is winning 100 percent guaranteed!
You guys have aced teaching about cars in an entertaining way.
Glad to see the 4th gen getting some love they are so underrated and with good suspension mods they can also turn great