Post Office Inquiry: Alan Bates delivers brutal assessment of bosses

2024 ж. 8 Сәу.
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Today was the moment for the real Alan Bates to stand up, as he was sworn in at the Horizon inquiry, delivering a brutal assessment of the Post Office bosses who hounded him and his colleagues, then tried to cover it up.
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But perhaps the most damning thing to come out of today - the accusation from the inquiry's chair that even now the Post Office seems to be attempting to obstruct the entire process.
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  • Why not put Alan Bates in charge of the Post Office? He surely has p,entry of experience, if only there were more like him. A true Hero for ordinary people.

    @helmutreichart9081@helmutreichart9081Ай бұрын
    • Terrific idea!

      @sadjaxx@sadjaxxАй бұрын
    • Why not indeed? Excellent suggestion though I am sure poor Alan and his wife must be wishing for some peace and quiet at long last...

      @3bebles@3beblesАй бұрын
    • Why punish him like that, he seems a decent bloke 😁

      @sandy7299@sandy7299Ай бұрын
    • @@sadjaxx Feet up as chairman.. lol

      @pedromorgan99@pedromorgan99Ай бұрын
    • He has the expertise of any expert and the persIstence necessary to address issues and resolve them in a timely and deliberate fashion. Nobody would be better thatn he would be.

      @marybusch6182@marybusch6182Ай бұрын
  • How incompetent do you have to be to leave a paper trail about not leaving a paper trail?

    @fatbelly27@fatbelly27Ай бұрын
    • That kind of incompetence is typical precisely because they are total amateurs and grifters!

      @3bebles@3beblesАй бұрын
    • Ironically, this is very common. All bureaucracies have to rely on their memos and CYA policies, and they always get found out because of these memos. Those of a certain age might remember the so-called Iran-Contra situation in the US, where these super-secret acronyms and their super-secret plans had to be spelled out and filed in triplicate, and then filed away. Again, whether or not anyone deserving goes to prison over any of these conspiracies is left as an exercise for the reader.

      @0xDEAFF00D@0xDEAFF00DАй бұрын
    • OK, lets hypothetically assume you have asked me to do something I think might be shady. You can bet I will keep a paper trail to cover my behind just in case. And then, if I do not like you any more, of if you do something shady to me, or of I want something from you, I will have a nice way to remind you where your loyalties lie.

      @wolcek@wolcekАй бұрын
    • With the shown level of incompetence within the Post Office they probably thought that by using emails there would be no 'paper trail' !

      @morganmajurey5805@morganmajurey5805Ай бұрын
    • ...and that was in 2013.

      @thomasneal9291@thomasneal9291Ай бұрын
  • Don't forget Fujitsu have been as guilty as the PO during the whole of this conspiracy.

    @jonb3311@jonb3311Ай бұрын
    • True.

      @tenkloosterherman@tenkloosterhermanАй бұрын
    • They are a company founded to make money. PO is paid by tax money and is there to serve the public. Both guilty, but not the same.

      @kjensen7819@kjensen7819Ай бұрын
    • They're not Chinese or Russian so it's not an issue

      @cedcol356@cedcol356Ай бұрын
    • Yes and now the government are putting this corporation in charge of the Central Bank Digital Currency they want to force on us all!!!

      @user-zz9gn2dc3l@user-zz9gn2dc3lАй бұрын
    • What happened to the money? 💰 I suspect there’s some people out there living the so called high life on this missing cash 😞

      @WildcraftBritain@WildcraftBritainАй бұрын
  • A total F ing disgrace. The responsible people including Vennels are the ones that should be serving decades in prison. I have no respect for the justice system if we don’t see justice for these postmasters. Absolutely horrific.

    @quietowl1246@quietowl1246Ай бұрын
    • An Absolute disgrace of British Justice!

      @stevenclarke5606@stevenclarke5606Ай бұрын
    • free israel!!!!! 🇮🇱 we have a right to exist! we are the victims of the holocaust

      @christhomson8924@christhomson8924Ай бұрын
    • I think prison is unlikely , sadly , decades was never on ,( ditto) , but losing their pension should be a must....if that isn't malfeasance in public office , then what is?! They could only go to court if the P.O. paid costs(!) , .....however , they won't lose their pensions .

      @normanpearson8753@normanpearson8753Ай бұрын
    • They should be in jail now awaiting trial

      @davidgidman7561@davidgidman7561Ай бұрын
    • ​@@normanpearson8753 I agree with you, as much as I'd love to see Paula Vennells, Angela Van Den Bogerd and everyone else who was involved in and covered this up should be bankrupted, lose their home and sent to prison but it won't happen. Senior managers are never held to account for things like this look at the Lucy Letby case senior managers supported her and bullied and threatened the doctors to back down when their suspicions were later proved to be correct and those managers haven't been charged with anything one was already retired and lets not forget Hillsborough those senior police officers have never been held accoutable for their actions they covered it up for over 20 years and blamed the Liverpool fans when it was their stupidity and utter incompetence that caused it. In the UK its one rule for the little people and a totally different rule to big wigs. Look at Prince Andrew he should be rotting in prison instead he's free to carry on abusing purely because he's royalty. When our government finally pays the subpostmasters their money back I guarentee it will be out of our taxes and not from the Post Office, they stole from those people and use it as their profit yet they lose nothing typical British Justice for you the UK is rotten to the core

      @wickedwitchoftheeast88@wickedwitchoftheeast88Ай бұрын
  • Alan Bates is an absolute hero Davey is a Sir when it should be Sir Alan Bates for over 20 years of heroic determination

    @dixie5929@dixie5929Ай бұрын
    • 👍👏👏

      @noelfleming3567@noelfleming3567Ай бұрын
    • Alan was offered an OBE or CBE or something like that for which he refused and said he would only accept when the matter of compensation and criminal prosecutions against post office management had been competed ... what a dude!!!

      @daviddowsett1658@daviddowsett1658Ай бұрын
    • Ed Davey is a disgrace

      @janeday9148@janeday9148Ай бұрын
    • ​@@daviddowsett1658 What a bloke his is... Tenacious isn't in it... 20 yrs plus !!!

      @thedr.feelgood@thedr.feelgoodАй бұрын
    • ​@@janeday9148 Yes, appallingly ineffective - sums up his whole political career....

      @thedr.feelgood@thedr.feelgoodАй бұрын
  • Post Office obfuscation. Should be jailed.

    @johnvaleanbaily246@johnvaleanbaily246Ай бұрын
    • Deliberately. They were warned, deadlines set, and still. It's completely unfair on the witnesses, and cannot but be reflected in the Report's liminatory comments.

      @JelMain@JelMainАй бұрын
    • There needs to be an investigation into "possible" fraud. The most likely reason for the Post Office management behaviour is that their boots were full of ill-gotten gains. Only another enquiry could possibly prove their guilt or innocence.

      @andrewgrillet5835@andrewgrillet5835Ай бұрын
    • Not just PO leadership but Fujitsu - European leadership also.

      @MrBoggins1234@MrBoggins1234Ай бұрын
    • The PO will have been instructed by government.

      @user-rt2ri5ft5v@user-rt2ri5ft5vАй бұрын
    • @@user-rt2ri5ft5v As seen in Kemi Badenoch's mishandling of Henry Staunton, If it wasn't for Crown Immunity, he'd have a prime case against her for malfeasance. As of now, they've lost the resource of experienced hands from the Corporate Sector, and given Cuymmings' assessment of the Civil Service and the public opinion of the Government, we're in a sorry state.

      @JelMain@JelMainАй бұрын
  • They really shat the bed when they decided to prosecute such a well educated, confident, articulate, determined and energetic human as Alan Bates, give him a massive payout and either put him in the post office or in the Lords where he can specialise in miscarriages of justice

    @gorgu08@gorgu08Ай бұрын
    • Yes Mr Bates was never intimidated by them and so became a threat so they had to get rid of him

      @cherryrotella3714@cherryrotella371426 күн бұрын
  • Until Paula Vennells is sent to jail, justice will not be done.

    @norfolkandchance9298@norfolkandchance9298Ай бұрын
    • Didn’t some of the postmasters commit suicide? Jail too soft for Vennels

      @Liberty_Freedom_Brotherhood@Liberty_Freedom_BrotherhoodАй бұрын
    • I would think there are several people at least need to face justice. We've seen soooo many cover ups over the years. Water companies only ever face a fine and that fine gets passed on to you and I, no one ever faces justice. Remember the strangles song, no more heroes? Well we do have heroes in the form of whistle blowers, the heroes who have morals.

      @roberthiggins6401@roberthiggins640129 күн бұрын
    • And some others, like Angela van den Bogerd

      @mirjamwillemsen900@mirjamwillemsen90017 күн бұрын
    • Even those in charge today with these delays tactics. Its like they breed this behaviour in the heads of the post office

      @jonathanstone..@jonathanstone..14 күн бұрын
  • I don't understand why the police haven't kicked the doors down and taken the documents they need. Then arrested the Post Office people that did this. People in the Post Office need to spend a time behind bars for this. If I as an individual did this I'd go to prison, I couldn't complain. Its undermining the police and the justice system if they don't go to prison.

    @alexmac513@alexmac513Ай бұрын
    • That's just for us plebs! Clearly, the UK has a two-tier justice system!

      @robinfoster7597@robinfoster7597Ай бұрын
    • Probably because those responsible have friends, who have friends and right now they are getting rid of evidence and building their case for damage limitation.

      @willmoore7582@willmoore7582Ай бұрын
    • The police are corporation's. They're as bent as the po. You can see them not respecting the true rule of law. They're only interested in motorists, assisting evictions etc.

      @roberthiggins6401@roberthiggins640129 күн бұрын
    • They are too busy kicking down the doors of people who have an opinion on the islamicisation of Britain, for the "crime" of "hate speech."

      @redplanet7163@redplanet716327 күн бұрын
    • Probably because this corruption and appalling conspiracy carried on for decades, under the auspices of the government. It's a can of worms they don't really want to be fully opened. And after all, considering our hopeless police and our broken Justice system, the slimy executives at the centre of this Stalinist conspiracy can be reasonably confident they'll do no jail time.

      @elliottg.1954@elliottg.195421 күн бұрын
  • Suspend the bosses pay until the documents are released.

    @jbenn43457@jbenn43457Ай бұрын
    • or just arrest them and deny them bail as a "flight risk".

      @robinfoster7597@robinfoster7597Ай бұрын
    • They have already banked LOADS to feather their nests! Criminals the entire CORRUPT BOARD!

      @jamesskeoch6562@jamesskeoch6562Ай бұрын
    • The FDA had the same issue releasing the Pf*zer trial data as they said it would take 75 years. That was until a group of professionals including Prof's and Dr's filed a lawsuit and the judge ordered the release within 8 months. Nothing to see here.

      @pauldickinson5316@pauldickinson5316Ай бұрын
    • @mattbuddyMattBuddyGNN neither will "off with their heads". Just wishful thinking

      @jbenn43457@jbenn4345726 күн бұрын
  • Post office executives need to go to jail

    @heathermaich8966@heathermaich8966Ай бұрын
  • Alan Bates remains so calm and polite after 23 years of hassle. A brilliant example of how to deal with cheats and liars. Hopefully he will be successful.

    @michaelhipperson1554@michaelhipperson1554Ай бұрын
  • Alan Bates is absolutely formidable! Such an incredible public speaker, so honest and genuine!

    @nathanio103@nathanio103Ай бұрын
  • The Post Office needs to be put into administration. To get to the root of it.

    @MyTv-@MyTv-Ай бұрын
    • I have hear some politician saying exactly your point.

      @grantwallace1882@grantwallace1882Ай бұрын
    • @@grantwallace1882 With that level of obstruction, it’s the obvious solution. I would trigger a deep revision of both the post office and the key people involved. This smells of corruption.

      @MyTv-@MyTv-Ай бұрын
    • It’s not the root,it’s the seed that grows into the root,and that is Tony Blair.He signed off the Horizon system,knowing,full well,it was faulty because Harriet Harman told him so.He started the ball rolling,then bankrupted the country.Notice,complete silence from the great interferer,the one that never misses an opportunity to poke his nose in.What a chance for the great mr fixit to come down from his ivory tower and save the world and blame the Conservatives for all of it.

      @chuckoster8221@chuckoster8221Ай бұрын
    • the po has no control by its sole shareholders-- the government!! that is wrong wrong wrong!!

      @jacksyful@jacksyfulАй бұрын
  • We need to see Post Office executives and their lying lawyers and investigators serving jail time for this and heavy compensation for their victims and the families of lost victims.

    @andrewh2u@andrewh2uАй бұрын
    • Lawyers don't lie but are regularly lied to by their clients.

      @jjefferyworboys8138@jjefferyworboys8138Ай бұрын
    • @@jjefferyworboys8138 Saying that Lawyers dont lie is never going to be plausible.

      @andrewh2u@andrewh2uАй бұрын
    • I want to see that awful guy Whitaker in a cell with Big Brutus…

      @mikematthews2750@mikematthews2750Ай бұрын
  • What makes me so angry about this is not just that it happened, its that no expense was spared when they were going after the sub-postmasters - the "justice" system happily threw hundreds of people in jail on incredibly flimsy cases. But then now when the shoe is on the other foot, it doesn't look like anyone is going to be held accountable at all except perhaps a few token resignations.

    @TheDMG45@TheDMG45Ай бұрын
    • I think the judges (where they are sitting, without a jury) should take at least SOME of the blame. When the entirety of the prosecution case is "Computer says "X" UK pounds has gone missing". Yet there is literally zero other corroborating evidence, and when an examination of the person's lifestyle shows NO "excess money" (NO flashy car or boat purchases, no expensive house, or gambling addictions etc). ...and the person in the dock is saying "I worked honestly, Maybe the computer system, made a mistake"... then the judges involved should at least have considered that possibility. Also any judge before accepting a "guilty plea" should have asked the defendant if they had had, independent legal advice beforehand.

      @KiwiCatherineJemma@KiwiCatherineJemmaАй бұрын
    • ​@@KiwiCatherineJemma Exactly! To me whether its through malice or cheer incompetence they are as bad as the post office for accepting such shoddy evidence and not caring that the accused victims don't even get to give their side of the story

      @TheDMG45@TheDMG45Ай бұрын
    • Let's hope this is more than just a circus

      @chrisholland7367@chrisholland7367Ай бұрын
    • the post office get to spend £100 million of tax payers money defending the indefencable yet in the real world legal aid is means tested and since 2010 the tory party as cut the legal aid budgit by over 50% leaving the poor unable to get decent legal representation, and dont forget boris who managed to run up a legal aid bill of circa £300k for party gate inquiry paid for by the tax payer, its disgusting that the tax payer has to keep picking up the bill for this corruption,

      @seanhaywood4597@seanhaywood4597Ай бұрын
    • But the woman in charge has said sorry and handed her medal back isn't that enough

      @johnjc4645@johnjc4645Ай бұрын
  • Nobody will ever believe a word from the Post Office. If I had any savings in the Post Office, I would withdraw them.

    @peterjackson2625@peterjackson2625Ай бұрын
  • Post Office ltd was able to be Judge, Jury and Executioner. Paula Vennells and all of the senior Executives, Post Office, Fujitsu and Ministers in the know HAVE TO GO TO PRISON for the damage done to innocent peoples lives and the lives that are sadly lost. How does Paula Vennells sleep at night! This is a perfect example that "POWER CORRUPTS AND ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY"

    @gtek8021@gtek8021Ай бұрын
  • It’s utterly atrocious what the Post Office has done , and is still is doing.

    @neilhobson3624@neilhobson3624Ай бұрын
  • Alan Bates is a hero for the truth and for seeking justice as he has. He should be knighted at the very least.

    @Haberdashery22@Haberdashery22Ай бұрын
  • You can bet a billion $$ that the main culprits have all their expensive lawyers beavering away for months if not years working up some impenetrable defence and probably any criminal defence will be funded by the PO.

    @JohnnyMotel99@JohnnyMotel99Ай бұрын
    • ...funded by the tax payer, unfortunately.

      @ChrisM541@ChrisM541Ай бұрын
    • @@ChrisM541 eventually

      @JohnnyMotel99@JohnnyMotel99Ай бұрын
  • Should not be possible. That post office CEO clearly does not care at all. Remove all involved from office. Give it back to the public ownership entirely where it always should have been and then start again.

    @ThisisnotTwitter@ThisisnotTwitterАй бұрын
    • It all started with privatiaztion, who's decesion was that? Its big mistake for the British Public, Every basic service should be owned by the general public who use it, otherwise its for Profit, then your prices skyrocket and foreigners control you.

      @rbnhd1144@rbnhd1144Ай бұрын
  • Absolutely disgusting behaviour by the Post Office.

    @user-qc4mi1dw7n@user-qc4mi1dw7nАй бұрын
  • Ed Davey has a Knighthood (as did Paula Vennels) and Alan Bates doesn't. That should tell you everything you need to know about the British Establishment.

    @stephenbarrett8000@stephenbarrett8000Ай бұрын
  • It's late stage capitalism. It's what big business does and you can see it all over the place.

    @50_Pence@50_PenceАй бұрын
    • Ruling d world 😢😢

      @noelfleming3567@noelfleming3567Ай бұрын
    • Late stage? Get buckled in mate. We still have the surprise of pensions to come.

      @pacman7959@pacman7959Ай бұрын
    • Not capitalism/free market trading. It's fascism when the government are in bed with corporations - public private partnerships!!

      @user-zz9gn2dc3l@user-zz9gn2dc3lАй бұрын
    • Its a state owned company. Basically the opposite of capitalism.

      @maxxrenn@maxxrennАй бұрын
  • This case is a perfect illustration of 'The Banality of Evil"

    @p0ssiblypossiblynot557@p0ssiblypossiblynot557Ай бұрын
  • In other words the Post Office and Fujitsu are checking every document to make sure they don't hand over any incriminating evidence. All those senior Post Office and Fujitsu managers should be prosecuted and jailed, just for holding back evidence, but also be held accountable to pay compensation and jailed for manslaughter.

    @alanhand503@alanhand503Ай бұрын
    • Am I right in thinking that the PO passed over 73,000 documents out of millions in their keep, I wonder how much more are in the paperwork held back could be incriminating

      @ritab8663@ritab8663Ай бұрын
  • Alan Bates is amazing & helps to restore hope in humanity because the British publics confidence has been lost in the institutions of this Country

    @janeday9148@janeday9148Ай бұрын
  • ….. so The Post Office contacted its insurer over the Horizon IT system and its own legal team said it’s only course of action was to instigate a massive cover up. Senior management listened to the lawyers and deliberately pursued a policy of secrecy, silence and scorched earth by blaming the Sub Posters and holding them accountable for the failures of Fujitsu and The Post Office.

    @willienelsongonzalez4609@willienelsongonzalez4609Ай бұрын
  • I have nothing but admiration for Mr Bates.

    @user-pq3jm5yc6y@user-pq3jm5yc6yАй бұрын
  • What state is Britain in!

    @Truthseeker1515@Truthseeker1515Ай бұрын
    • I blame it on the immigrants. Why? Because Farage told me.

      @pacman7959@pacman7959Ай бұрын
  • Well done Sir! Post office bosses = jail. The more they obstruct the more jail time.

    @derekgillan7314@derekgillan7314Ай бұрын
  • Post office boss Lies lies lies sack him & shut it down.

    @notquiteoverthehill9576@notquiteoverthehill9576Ай бұрын
    • Why would you want to shut down the Post Office ? In many communities the Post Office is very important particularly to the elderly.

      @jjefferyworboys8138@jjefferyworboys8138Ай бұрын
  • What a national hero. Showed true bulldog spirit 💪🏼

    @dave3130@dave3130Ай бұрын
  • Wow what a great guy Alan Bates is, standing up against these people.

    @RestoDesignsnando@RestoDesignsnandoАй бұрын
  • Ed Davy on a digger Is that supposed to be ironic Honestly politicians are a different breed

    @aroemaliuged4776@aroemaliuged4776Ай бұрын
    • Davy is a man with no principles and zero credibility.

      @howardosborne8647@howardosborne8647Ай бұрын
    • My question is are there any honest ones about

      @grayflight9424@grayflight9424Ай бұрын
    • ​@@grayflight9424no

      @georgegently3026@georgegently3026Ай бұрын
    • @@georgegently3026To be fair James Arbuthnot has stood by the sub postmasters throughout.

      @kayoedowner6711@kayoedowner6711Ай бұрын
    • Not breed - they're grown in a Petri dish....

      @kumasenlac5504@kumasenlac550427 күн бұрын
  • It’s not only post office, most of the organisations in the UK 🇬🇧 do the same. They use their rough HR employees and lawyer who are pathological liars use laws as a mechanism of abuse the law itself.

    @1styash@1styashАй бұрын
    • Is it necessary to label them as pathological liars ? Surely it's just their job ?

      @kumasenlac5504@kumasenlac550427 күн бұрын
  • They bang on about wanting to comply but their actions show something completely different.

    @bostonbikebits6539@bostonbikebits6539Ай бұрын
  • They haven't finished deleting their hard drives or shredding the papers yet.

    @getheroutofthetruck@getheroutofthetruckАй бұрын
  • Someone in the Fuji organisation ended up pocketing the money. They need to be held accountable for the theft of this money. Details of the Investigation need to be made public.

    @angelogiacomazzi6699@angelogiacomazzi6699Ай бұрын
    • yes & maybe closer to home also

      @mark.lawrence@mark.lawrenceАй бұрын
  • Unlike the PO employees Mr Bates has total recall 😊

    @pamjordan5281@pamjordan5281Ай бұрын
  • Mr Bates has been treated shockingly. Alan Bates should sue the post office for 1 million pound

    @abbiebrown2733@abbiebrown2733Ай бұрын
    • He's meant to get at least that through the compensation scheme just for loss of earnings for the past 20 years. But guess what? Yup. The Post Office bosses are a bunch of thieves.

      @lewilewis3944@lewilewis3944Ай бұрын
    • Well said they are THiEVES. Deal with the now through the courts at the PO funds

      @user-bl8zw4ol1j@user-bl8zw4ol1jАй бұрын
    • ​@@lewilewis3944 they are being protected. I don't know their names but I wouldn't be surprised if they are all family or friend with important labour and tory MPs. That's why it's taken so long to do something about it.

      @Hugo97HD@Hugo97HDАй бұрын
    • and more.........

      @nineteen8486@nineteen8486Ай бұрын
    • At least.

      @Jackthesmilingblack@JackthesmilingblackАй бұрын
  • They should be locked up for withholding evidence

    @garrybowers414@garrybowers414Ай бұрын
  • police needs to announce their involvement

    @findacarbuyer@findacarbuyerАй бұрын
  • Call me over the top.. But this wanting to obey the rules Having an air of superiority against the low uns……… Reminds me of so many historical examples

    @aroemaliuged4776@aroemaliuged4776Ай бұрын
    • Not over the top. What you are touching upon is British government culture. It is pervasive over time.

      @viewfinder914@viewfinder914Ай бұрын
  • People in power should be held accountable. This whole f'ing situation is DISGUSTING!

    @LordBikealot@LordBikealotАй бұрын
    • And it all happened because Ed Davey, among other Lib Dem members, supported David Cameron's privatization of the Post Office.

      @VSmithy@VSmithyАй бұрын
  • What a hero this man is. What he's done in the face of such corporate bullying is staggering. And the way the horrendous Ed Davey is only concerned with saving his own 'reputation' is disgusting. What a contrast between two men.

    @ysgol3@ysgol3Ай бұрын
  • All power to Alan bates and the wrongly convicted. We are stuck in a toxic tory twisted death spiral. God help us.

    @me-un7vq@me-un7vqАй бұрын
    • Yes the Tories plus Starmer who was head of the CPS when some innocents were locked up and Ed Davey. Our political class.

      @alisdairmclean8605@alisdairmclean8605Ай бұрын
    • And d rich get richer who's paying d legal fees in these inquiries

      @noelfleming3567@noelfleming3567Ай бұрын
    • @@alisdairmclean8605 Starmer and his office had nothing to do with it. The post office itself brought the prosecutions. A wonderful aspect of UK law that such is possible.

      @SingWhileYouMay@SingWhileYouMayАй бұрын
    • All the main political parties have had a hand in allowing this travesty to go on for many years longer than it should. None of them come out of this looking good.

      @howardosborne8647@howardosborne8647Ай бұрын
    • ​@@alisdairmclean8605Minor detail missing. The PO itself was empowered to bring prosecutions and did so, that's a gruesome part of the whole sorry story. If the CPS had oversight the scandal would likely have been exposed sooner. But the CPS was not involved as it had no locus, nor for that matter was Keir Starmer. Do keep up.

      @TheArgieH@TheArgieHАй бұрын
  • No executives will suffer consequences. They will go on to live long, happy and affluent lives. The system will not change. The victims will be discarded. This enquiry and its media coverage is theatre to placate the public. Everyone knows this.

    @CYCHIATRIC@CYCHIATRICАй бұрын
  • Alan Bates is a man of immense honour.... he could have really gone for Ed Davey but instead in his verbal evidence he claims not to remember very much about his meeting with Ed Davey except that he was disappointed with his response to his request for assistance in response to the developing scandal. The inquiry evidence included Ed Davey's briefing note for the meeting prepared by the civil service which is very clear, we know exactly what Ed Davey said in the meeting. Essentially... you won't get any help coming this way, you lot are on your own, don't want to know, don't care, so long. Bye.

    @Herblay63@Herblay63Ай бұрын
  • It's not just the PO behaving like this; it's nearly every government department and council in the UK

    @peterw4338@peterw4338Ай бұрын
    • The Post Office was privatized by David Cameron, remember? That's why the fat cats who bought the shares could lie and make lots of money while refusing to investigate how Fujitsu's rubbish system was robbing the subpostmasters.

      @VSmithy@VSmithyАй бұрын
    • The Post Office was privatized and sold off under David Cameron's austerity program.

      @VSmithy@VSmithyАй бұрын
  • Will any of those responsible go to prison?

    @MrGavinBoyd@MrGavinBoydАй бұрын
    • Some token sacrifice, I guess.

      @richardroulstone-roberts8598@richardroulstone-roberts8598Ай бұрын
    • Just the fall guys. Real culprits are too powerful to prosecute call me a conspiracy loon.

      @pacman7959@pacman7959Ай бұрын
    • Set up a gofundme for Private prosecutions,I bet they'd raise thousands.

      @richardjns17@richardjns17Ай бұрын
  • Never think the Establishment will do right by the subposters. They will delay, obfuscate and do everything to stop compensation. Wasting public money on expensive Enquiry.

    @IrfanAli-qp1gm@IrfanAli-qp1gmАй бұрын
  • This is a Magna Carta moment for our generation

    @JohnJones-wo1bc@JohnJones-wo1bcАй бұрын
  • All my family worked for the post office, telephone exchange, TV Licences, Posties…..we loved the GPO , we bought postal orders, stamps, dog licences premium bonds, passports….all that love and trust gone. Barb

    @mikeharvey9811@mikeharvey9811Ай бұрын
    • Yes

      @IlGODsGIRL@IlGODsGIRLАй бұрын
  • British Justice is slower than a tortoise but at least the tortoise gets its destination eventually. Will British Justice?

    @njd2342@njd2342Ай бұрын
    • Take money from the government, you watch just fast "justice" can be

      @ImNotReallyHereMCFC@ImNotReallyHereMCFC28 күн бұрын
  • Disclose as little as possible. Privatization.

    @kitburns1665@kitburns1665Ай бұрын
    • Nationalization led to such a wonderful blooming of openness and disclosure. Different hats, that's all...

      @kumasenlac5504@kumasenlac550427 күн бұрын
  • Read with the typical Public school accent, what a surprise!

    @grahamkearnon6682@grahamkearnon6682Ай бұрын
  • The PO very quickly were able to convict and jail so many innocent working class citizens. The police haven't even started to investigate the guilty, rich, pompous and powerful PO/Fujitsu/Govt officials who were involved in this travesty of justice. That says everything about classist, UK Injustice.

    @22Phantasm@22PhantasmАй бұрын
  • There has to be Criminal Charges including Corporate Manslaughter

    @janeday9148@janeday9148Ай бұрын
    • Unfortunately such charges wouldn’t be made out in law

      @markmcintyre9893@markmcintyre9893Ай бұрын
  • Ed Davey hopes the inquiry holds people to account... Not people like him... But other people... But not him...

    @danburycollins@danburycollinsАй бұрын
  • Once this is all done the post office needs disbanding. It cannot be disbanded now as that will be the post offices get out clause…

    @Dean256@Dean256Ай бұрын
    • The central management needs to be overhauled/replaced (if it isn't being done already), but the whole operation doesn't necessarily need to be disbanded.

      @ftumschk@ftumschkАй бұрын
    • @@ftumschk while they have this amount of power the post office needs to be completely overhauled. They have proven they have no morals and it’s a government institution. It needs disbanding and completely changed…

      @Dean256@Dean256Ай бұрын
    • @@Dean256 The language I chose was deliberately precise. It's the central management that needs overhauling, not the tens of thousands of good people who work in post office branches throughout the country.

      @ftumschk@ftumschkАй бұрын
    • @@ftumschk I’m sorry but the whole thing needs to change the post office as a single company across the UK cannot continue. I’m not sure how it needs to be changed but it certainly does. They have changed the management structure and it’s made no difference and this ability for them to be able to run investigations without police involvement needs stopping immediately… like tonight…

      @Dean256@Dean256Ай бұрын
    • ​@@Dean256 Sort out the central management and IT suppliers by all means - they screwed this up, and they need to carry the can. However, they're not "the whole thing", and I think the thousands of dedicated subpostmasters and their staff have been "overhauled" quite enough for now, don't you?

      @ftumschk@ftumschkАй бұрын
  • Post office chief exec is a complete A WHOLE.

    @eddjordan2399@eddjordan2399Ай бұрын
  • davey needs to resign and hand his money back

    @bobtudbury8505@bobtudbury8505Ай бұрын
  • What a refreshing human being and god bless him for his courage we need more like him.i wish someone like him would ask why the police didn't investigate the pandemic.bless Mr Bates

    @Cody-zd2ye@Cody-zd2yeАй бұрын
  • Salting the ground for labour, 🤔

    @charlesflouvat1829@charlesflouvat1829Ай бұрын
    • Definitely going to be a shitshow after d election

      @noelfleming3567@noelfleming3567Ай бұрын
  • the executives have got to go --to jail for a long time!!

    @jacksyful@jacksyfulАй бұрын
  • He might want to announce that he’s not suicidal

    @gnothiseauton8684@gnothiseauton8684Ай бұрын
  • This enquiry demanded these documents literally YEARS ago, yet they're still dragging their ffet. "Remarkable" just doesn't come close to how egregious this is.

    @davidcolin6519@davidcolin6519Ай бұрын
  • 4:26 I thought that was a typo, but there really is a legal firm called "Womble Bond Dickinson". It's nice to see that the Wombles have progressed from picking up litter to picking up litigation.

    @ftumschk@ftumschkАй бұрын
    • Making good use of the things that they find...

      @fatbelly27@fatbelly27Ай бұрын
    • Or picking up litter to becoming it!

      @becmiberserker@becmiberserkerАй бұрын
    • The name's Bond. Womble Bond.

      @TheDMG45@TheDMG45Ай бұрын
  • What sentence is appropriate for wrecking peoples lives, making them fight all these years for justice, and even now still covering up and slowing down the process... Beyond belief.

    @steveg7718@steveg7718Ай бұрын
  • It is unacceptable that the people who own the post office 👑 are not being held to account!

    @XxTheAwokenOnexX@XxTheAwokenOnexXАй бұрын
  • Go Alan Bates! I am sure EVERYONE involved and more are on Mr Bates and the sub post masters and mistresses side 100%

    @rachelabbott9393@rachelabbott9393Ай бұрын
    • Not so - the hyphae are even now destroying or losing evidence...

      @kumasenlac5504@kumasenlac550427 күн бұрын
    • What an absolute hero Alan bates is what do these people think they were doing ruining all these lives appalling

      @getsorted0185@getsorted018522 күн бұрын
  • Undermining public confidence in national institutions is a grave mistake with long term implications for society. Prison terms must result.

    @davidmansfield9167@davidmansfield9167Ай бұрын
  • Paula Vennels will have a bit of a dilemma having to swear an oath to tell the truth if she is as godly as she makes out 😂

    @alfieakaronaldog@alfieakaronaldogАй бұрын
    • I’ve known a number of people who claimed to be christians. Some really were: charitable, empathetic, kindly and overall good people, always willing to help others (I met them in charity work I was involved with). But a few fell below that standard by quite a margin 😢

      @Orwic1@Orwic1Ай бұрын
  • If they don't come up with the proof or documents they should automatically be found guilty.

    @dianerichardson3061@dianerichardson3061Ай бұрын
  • Life in the clink for everyone involved in this scandal. No chance of parole.

    @hickster222@hickster222Ай бұрын
  • Recently started the program on PBS television in the US. Absolutely shocked and abhorred that after all these years that no justice has been made for these people. How could such corrupt and despicable people still be able to walk free all these years later? It's horrible to try and grasp that something such as this could continue on and on without justice for these poor souls. Blessings and strength to you to continue in the good fight!

    @123JWJWJW@123JWJWJW21 күн бұрын
  • Andrew Parsons....lawyer.......acts and behaves like a lawyer.And lawyers wonder why so many people despise them.

    @adrianlloyd6403@adrianlloyd6403Ай бұрын
  • Mr. Bates should go into politics. Being an MP would be appropriate.

    @happytravelling@happytravellingАй бұрын
    • At the age of 70 why would you wish this upon him ?

      @jjefferyworboys8138@jjefferyworboys8138Ай бұрын
  • I am absolutely flummoxed by all of this although, I shouldn't be. Allan Bates is the right man for fight, he is measured, intelligent, articulate and able to co-ordinate those similarly affected . Good on you Mr Bates. 👏

    @user-ck8zu9tm1o@user-ck8zu9tm1oАй бұрын
  • Surprised that the public inquiry hasn't yet instructed bailiffs to enter PO premises and seize documents, so that the inquiry can get to the bottom of this promptly. Justice delayed is justice denied.

    @ilokivi@ilokiviАй бұрын
    • What documents ? You don't think they still exist do you ?

      @kumasenlac5504@kumasenlac550427 күн бұрын
  • I think the judges (where they are sitting, without a jury) should take at least SOME of the blame. When the entirety of the prosecution case is "Computer says "X" UK pounds has gone missing". Yet there is literally zero other corroborating evidence, and when an examination of the person's lifestyle shows NO "excess money" (NO flashy car or boat purchases, no expensive house, or gambling addictions etc). ...and the person in the dock is saying "I worked honestly, Maybe the computer system, made a mistake"... then the judges involved should at least have considered that possibility. Also any judge before accepting a "guilty plea" should have asked the defendant if they had had, independent legal advice beforehand.

    @KiwiCatherineJemma@KiwiCatherineJemmaАй бұрын
  • The whole country wants Paula Vennells jailed and rightly so, but all the rest, from the branch administrators, the fascist investigators, the Post Office board, the accountants, the Fujitsu operators who made the adjustments, the civil servants and the government ministers (Mandelson prince of the dark arts) also must face a jury trial. There will probably be a need to build a new prison to house them all. Lets also not forget the National Federation of Sub postmasters who are paid by the Post Office and advised their members to just pay up. Shut it down and give the Sub postmasters trade union rights.

    @Fairplay-ed6rs@Fairplay-ed6rsАй бұрын
  • And just think. He's of the era of "Don't rock the boat", its what I've heard in the past. If he didn't rock the boat and rock it for decades, then none of it would of come out.

    @TheStevenWhiting@TheStevenWhitingАй бұрын
  • Where are the police?

    @ericolthwaite8923@ericolthwaite8923Ай бұрын
    • The justice system is deeply implicated in this too - they are the ones who convicted these postmasters, and the ones who deliberately buried their heads in the face of the obvious pattern developing. They KNEW 'something' wasn't right!

      @ChrisM541@ChrisM541Ай бұрын
    • The what ? Who is this police you speak of ?

      @kumasenlac5504@kumasenlac550427 күн бұрын
  • The UK Govt needs to sack the current CEO and the entire board, then install a Commissioner.

    @ataxpayer723@ataxpayer72329 күн бұрын
  • What about also holding Fujitsu responsible for for their role in this mess? Is anyone looking into that?

    @jonathand.wieand6119@jonathand.wieand6119Ай бұрын
  • You can see the final inquiry findings, not white washed , but can well imagine its recommendations totally ignored , Hope Mr Bates follows through, and drags Post office, and fujitsu to court.

    @richardroulstone-roberts8598@richardroulstone-roberts8598Ай бұрын
  • Maybe I miss something but Horizon is Fujitsu, they seem to be getting off scot free. Sue them as well as the PO

    @richardsilljohnson6377@richardsilljohnson6377Ай бұрын
  • Sir Ed Davey should resign

    @abbiebrown2733@abbiebrown2733Ай бұрын
    • He should be in jail with the rest of the useless management

      @user-bl8zw4ol1j@user-bl8zw4ol1jАй бұрын
    • Yes so convenient to scapegoat him & ignore the the Tory PO ministers that also did nothing. You must be a Conservative voter.

      @zetectic7968@zetectic7968Ай бұрын
    • @@zetectic7968 Sack the whole applecart , they're all on the make .

      @bluesmaster9896@bluesmaster9896Ай бұрын
    • @@zetectic7968 This started with Blair and a Labour administration. Then continued with Lib Dem people in positions of authority,. Of course people like you are blinkered.

      @rogerroger5255@rogerroger5255Ай бұрын
    • @@bluesmaster9896good - go out and vote then - green or an independent you agree with you - if you don’t like the lot or the country doesn’t - stop moaning and vote ! Make meaningful change

      @djslybacon@djslybaconАй бұрын
  • Burying their head in documents in the hope that everything goes away

    @michaeltownsend1719@michaeltownsend1719Ай бұрын
  • Everyone wants Justice for what was done, those in charge need long jail sentences, but we all know that will never happen. 😞

    @DIYTinkerer@DIYTinkererАй бұрын
  • As an electronics engineer, computer scientist, also trained in commercial matters, I ask where did the digital numbers go (digital numbers = money) GO from the sub post offices returns. Who benefitted by the exercise of changing the digital data being transmitted the the central computer memory. If the digits/money was just discarded then for what purpose was the exercise done. There are a lot of questions not being asked that have a science physical basis. Computer systems carrying and storing financial data are just as physical as the old paper systems. At the moment this whole sad fiasco does not make sense, what was the purpose of altering the raw data returns from the sub post offices before final storage in computer memory. WHO BENEFITED BY THE COMPLETE EXERCISE.

    @longsighted@longsightedАй бұрын
  • The govt and PO will not be held accountable…..even if they have a payout….no person will be held accountable….that’s how the law works. A law for them and a law for the people!!

    @Twofiddymill@TwofiddymillАй бұрын
  • The cheek of the wealthy

    @masquarra@masquarraАй бұрын
  • Is it any wonder people take the law into their own hands, when justice isn't carried out.

    @stellavarley4130@stellavarley413029 күн бұрын
  • As a retired Executive of our local Post Office (Australia Post), I am appalled at the culture of the POL management. Those responsible for this horrendous travesty of justice need to be prosecuted. This scandal is every bit as bad as our Robodebt case where social security recipients were pursued for erroneously calculated over-payments.

    @terrystephens1102@terrystephens1102Ай бұрын
  • Alan Bates should be knighted, Paula Vennells and Co locked up for life. 🤬

    @mickpeters4457@mickpeters4457Ай бұрын
  • Wonderful man , this country has had it , people in senior positions have so much to answer for.

    @normhanson981@normhanson98129 күн бұрын
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