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I had a Razer Viper 8 KHz at launch, and a lot of game engines didn't support the mouse whatsoever. Sometimes you're forced to play at 2000 HZ because there is noticeable stuttering or will feel like it's capped at a max speed no matter how fast you flick/turn your mouse. Of course, that improved in time. Though, games based on Valve engine can't really handle more than 2000 HZ well, which is why APEX seems to suffer even to this day. I feel like what could've been included in the video is the DPI tests that were conducted a couple weeks back and see the difference. I doubt it'll make any earth-shattering difference but it might be interesting to see the results. Otherwise, the mouse has been pretty good in my experience.
first reply ez
thanks for sharing your experince with it bruv
I actually fixed my issues by disabling CAM, Asus and any other services in that area and I could use 8khz even in apex. I still prefer my G pro however for low sensitivity.
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It's not "Valve engine" though. It's called "Source Engine" Interestingly he said in his video that Apex had problems while CS:GO worked fine with it.
From PC benchmarks to competitive peripherals...this channel is doing it great. Thank you for these kinds of high quality videos, really appreciate all of the effort in making them.
This might just be me but I feel like the quality and conciseness of his videos have gotten better since like 7 months or so ago, that's awesome.
Can you try making a video on the difference in input lag between custom keyboards and gaming keyboards? I love the content keep it up
yes please
A lot harder to test, but I'll see what I can do!
@@optimumtech Or razer optical switches vs a custom keyboard. Are they worth it?
@@optimumtech You should take a look at the Corsair K65 Minis input lag. According to RTings tests it's actually 0.1ms and even though their setup/all their other tests seem pretty reliable I don't fully trust them on that one. 0.1ms would be insane - please look into that.
@@gonorsilvet2581 Gonor it's never the switches that are the deciding factor there, I'm pretty sure.
I main the Viper 8K but mostly because I like the clicks a lot. I have it set to 4000 Hz as I noticed my CPU usage going up a lot when using 8000 Hz and I didnt want that.
Why does your cpu goes up and by how much?
@@JulianiLuckeey I have an i7 10700KF OC on 5.1GHz and it my CPU usage goes up by about 10 to 13 percent when I use the mouse compared to when I dont move my mouse. So idle on Desktop without moving my viper 8K on 8000 Hz my CPU usage is at 5% and when I move my mouse a lot it goes up to 18%. When I have my Viper set to 2000 Hz the CPU Usage is negligible.
@@Abonnen Wow okey thats not good
not much point in setting it to 8000 Hz anyway the polling rate becomes very unstable and does not hit 8000 Hz consistently goes from 10000 Hz and drops to below 100 better to set to 4000 where the polling rate is much more consistent with a variation of around 2000 Hz at least for me
"I main the viper" could someone tell what that means? Is that a typo or a phrase? English is not my first language.
This is one of the new channels that I am super excited to be watching. Really clean aesthetics, and really nice information provided. I hope to see you grow, and be able to do a lot more cool testing*
You gotta watch his old case & build videos as well, sooo damn clean & short!!
just found this channel. already one of my favorite. the apex issue I was having with the 8k poll took me a minute to figure out. it will accept 2000. so far I love it. the switches were weird at first but I love them now.
When I had the mouse, having discord open would cause stutters in apex like you've showed in your footage. Closing discord literally made 8k work fine in apex even with fast flicks, which is really weird because 8k with discord open would be fine in other games. HW acceleration and overlay are off so I'm not really sure why discord makes 8k stutter, but yep, it did for me. Would be interested to see if anyone else can try closing discord and see if that'll fix the stuttering issue in apex and/or other games.
discord maybe doesnt support 8k polling idk haha
just uninstall discord
@@KokoroKatsura oh great solution
Yeah my mouse is 1000hz but i cant use that in apex due to stutters and with discord open but 500hz and lower works
Discord behaves weird with Apex. If you're playing on a lower resolution like 720p instead of 1080p, Discord will auto-minimize your game every single time unless you keep it open on your 2nd display or close to taskbar in windowed mode (not full-screen).
Dude you are killing it lately... Amazing stuff!
I know this is an older video so I don't know if you'll see this but I'd love an updated video with the DaV3 8k, Haste 2 8k, etc, the wireless 4k stuff and do all the comparisons to see whats improved and whats still lackluster since we do have new shapes and sensors.
Bruh this is a gaming highlights channel disguised as a tech review channel, gonna need an EpiPen after seeing those nutty plays
I own the 8k Viper, it is a quick accurate mouse with premium sensor. But tbh I really couldn't tell that much of an notable difference during Fps gaming compared to other top tier mice with standard 1k polling rate like the Glorious Model-O Wireless, & the Gpro SuperlightX that's currently my Main. And like he said it will all come down to the size & shape of the mouse & how well, and good feels in your hand. Would be really cool if somehow you could retro fit the 8K sensor from the Viper into the shell of the SuperlightX.
I love the effort into fully explaining the world of computer mice, respec+
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I just find listening to these videos quite relaxing. The voice is soothing.
0:39 love the rs audi steering wheel in the background for a gaming mouse.
Great video man as ways. I am sticking to my Razer Viper Mini with Razer Bungee V2 and Logitech G305 wireless.
I have the base Razer Viper (not the 8K model) and it's already, by far, my favourite mouse (I've been through R.A.T mice by Madcatz, some Corsair mice, some Steelseries mice and also own a Glorious model O). Fits perfectly in my hand, the weight is just right, and when I changed from the Steelseries to this one I litterally could see my K/D ratio improve overnight as the mouse really fits me a lot better. The 8K model actually isn't much more expensive that the base model, so it sounds like a good choice to me!
"I think it's a little bit flat" I love to hear someone say that. I bought 3 mice Logitech super light, Glorious model O, and Razer Viper ultimate. I wanted to like the Razer because of its super low input lag around the board but I found when I hold it my where my thumb and pinky want to rest they make contact with my mouse pad unless I cramp my hand up excessively. Leaning towards the super light out of the 3
The carbon fibre RS steering wheel blending in well with the background there
Would love to see you compare some MMO grid mice in detail.. the market for them isn't huge but I know some people, myself included who just can't live without one. In desktop mode I use the buttons for navigation macros like switching tabs, refreshing, forward/back and media controls.. and games that have number row based weapon/tool switching it's a godsend. Right now the only real options for 12 button grids are: Razer Naga (in all it's versions, the original and most popular option) Corsair Scimitar (friend of mine says it's miles ahead of his Naga but I've never used one) Logitech G600 Redragon M901/908/913 And my current personal favourite: Utechsmart Venus/Venus Pro (I have the pro and while it's not perfect, the software and wireless responsiveness are better than any Razer mouse I've used before) There is also the Mad Catz MMO TE but the grid is only 11 buttons with 3/5/4 in each row with a weird alignment. For wireless there is only the Naga Epic, Redragon M913 and Utechsmart Venus Pro..
I would love to see keyboard speed comparison tests especially the Corsair k100 vs apex pro omnipoint switchs
just received mine today, it's amazing so far! The 8khz isn't really the big reason why i bought it, just needed a new mouse cause i had the lancehead for 5 years now. Out of the box the clicks are crisp af and i quite like the shape of it, although just a bit a flat. The cable is also pretty nice, it's light and can barely feel it when im dragging around the mouse. A huge difference from the stiff cable of the lancehead.
So this would be an enormous upgrade from a Dell mouse from 2008 that has a 500 pulling rate
Update on my experience with the mouse, amazing mouse, though mostly struggling past 4khz polling rate in most games. Running 2khz is flawless, but as time goes on testing both Deathadder V3 Wired and Viper 8khz on updated fps games seeing as more and more are supporting higher polling. All I can say is, never going back to 1khz polling, it may be so minor but I definitely feel off or behind when engaging in gunfights. Keeping 2khz or moving up to 4khz, and yes I do believe it's more reacting that wireless 4khz but not enough for someone who has never experienced either wired or wireless higher polling
I recently purchased the Viper 8K, before that I just used my Logitech MX 3 for work and gaming. I think the MX 3 is 125hz polling so the switch was instantly noticeable, it is way smoother on tracking shoots, glides smoothly and after a little getting used too, I have seen better results in games. If I could only have one mouse I would still use a professional mouse, because for work in Blender, Premiere, Lightroom, I find the heavier, more functional mouse to be much easier to work with, and since Razer Software bricked my iMac Pro, if I didn't have a dedicated gaming PC I wouldn't use it at all, word of caution to my Mac brethren.
[07:45] Thanks for the detailed review! It's interesting to see how the 8,000Hz polling rate and optical switches impact the gaming experience. I appreciate the slow-motion footage to demonstrate cursor consistency; that's something I hadn't considered before. [04:29] It's a bit puzzling that the polling rate for the switches is locked, and there's no discernible difference in click to display latency. I wonder why that is. [03:31] The optical switches do seem to offer a noticeable advantage in click latency, even though the polling rate doesn't affect them as expected. [00:41] The concept of 8,000Hz polling rate providing a more accurate and responsive mouse input is intriguing, especially when you break it down to samples per frame on a high-refresh-rate monitor. It's definitely a unique selling point. [05:52] I agree that while these technical improvements are impressive, the most critical factor in choosing a gaming mouse is still its shape and how comfortable it feels during extended gaming sessions. [07:16] Razer's dedication to pushing the envelope in gaming mouse technology is commendable, even if not every gamer may benefit from it. I'm curious to see where they take this tech in the future. Overall, your review provides valuable insights into the Razer Viper 8K. Thanks for sharing your experiences!
Will you do latency test of keyboards? Like a roundup of some cheap/expensive wired/wireless ones. Would be good content imo.
I got one of these but side-graded to a Viper Ultimate because wireless beats wired any time.
I've seen people requesting videos on keyboard latency which I would love. I'm guessing anything with optical switches would be the winner. Headphone latency would also be good to see some numbers on!
I'm waiting for the wireless version of this, looks super interesting. But I'm done with any wired mouse ever since I got my 1st wireless one (1000hz wireless, of course).
Bro, Your in game footage looks SO clean, I would love to know your complete setup,graphics card etc.. Do you have it posted somewhere? Thanks
The thumbnail is so damn cleeeeeean If that's not a 3d render how have you done that shot?
Wish they'd push their build quality as much as they push the tech. DeathAdder Elite mouse survived 2 years before the rubber and coating started to peel off; the OG Viper mouse lasted about a year and a bit before I had the mid button none-or-double click. At least the 2016 BlackWidow keyboard survived 4 whole years before switches began to fail.
that bubbling sound on the hertz graphic was great lol
Just found out your channel, lovely and well explained stuff, instant subbed, I would have a question, do you know why my mouse(Razer Viper Mini or Viper 16K) causes my CPU or MBO to make noise while moving the mouse on 500/1000hz but not on 125hz? I couldnt find any solution to the problem.
i dont see a wireless 8k for a long time. I think there's lot of tech limits that prevent going past 1k atm and it'll probably be awhile before we see 8k. I personally think weight is more of a factor in your ability to aim so the fact this thing is 71 grams still is a deal breaker. I actually really loved the viper ultimate shape ( more than my superlight for sure ) but its too heavy and going from a lighter mouse to it you can feel the weight and it throws you off for awhile. If razer can get this down to like 40-50 grams with this tech id buy it instantly.
Viper 8kHz polling works fine for me in all games tested thus far incl. Apex Legends, Warzone, Doom Eternal, CSGO, Overwatch, Fortnite, Cyberpunk2077, Far Cry 5, Tarkov, Red Dead Red. 2, & many more. You just need a relatively modern PC that is OPTIMIZED.
I really like the Viper 8k so much so I was mad I had to get my 1st viper 8K rma after 4 months of ownership. While I was waiting on the replacement mouse I had to fall back to my logitech g403 and I could feel the difference right away. Thankfully only took Razer 8 days to send a replacement. I think its a great mouse to own and isn't too expensive but you have to take these things into consideration before you pull the trigger on getting this mouse. 1. Is it the right shape for your hand? 2. High refresh rate monitor- 240Hz minimum to even begin to tell/feel a difference with the 8000Hz polling rate 3. 8000Hz increases cpu usage. I have a Ryzen 9 3900X(12 core cpu) and while mouse is at 8000Hz polling rate cpu usage goes to 18%. The recommended hardware from Razer is Intel i5 8600K/AMD R5 3600 and Nvidia GTX 1080/AMD RX 5700 4. Have the mouse plugged in all by itself on a separate usb controller from the rest of your usb device(not plugged in right beside each other). Having other things plug in on the same usb controller while mouse is at 8000Hz causes issues. So for example I only have 3 usb devices connected to my pc. Viper 8K, Corsair K100(also at 8000Hz polling), Tascam Model 12. K100 and Viper 8k are connected to back of motherboard but both on different usb controllers while the Tascam Model 12 is plug into my 2080 Ti usb c port. Wish newer gpus still had usb c port on them. Only way this mouse could be better is if there was a wireless viper 8k.
Hey is it good for palm/palm-fingertip hybrid ( or should I say relaxed claw?) grip ? My hand size : 19.5 x 9 I mainly play fps games like csgo, valo and aaa titles
Do you have any sensor latency data for the 20000dpi setting? I saw your other video about DPI levels, but very keen to see how much difference it would make going from 800dpi to 20000dpi with this mouse with its high polling rate.
Agree. The shape and the comfort of using the mouse is most contributor in gaming performance.
Great video & work as always!
Have had this product since February. I switched from a Cooler Master MM711 to this and ultimately, I felt the slight difference in how reactive it can be when running the 8khz polling rate. Also, the optical switches against mechanical are a great improvement because I did have that bounce trouble many times with the MM711. Not only does Apex act up with the 8khz, Fortnite has acted up on my end as well with the frame rate stutters along with Master Chief Collection and Gears 5 so with those titles, I dumb down to 2khz. But Call of Duty, Battlefield, Bullet Storm, Horizon Zero Dawn work fluid. So I do agree that it can still be about engine limitations.
It has nothing to do with engine limitations. Only people who don't understand what engines these games run would say that. It's 100% a users fault, and lack of understanding. If all of your cores are maxed out, and the 8khz is constantly overloading them it will cause stuttering. Optimize your OS, or go back to console my guy.
@@zazabean23 Thank you for informing me but don't be an ass about it. I simply agreed that it may be engine limitations since the person who made the video considers it being possible engine limitations at around the 5:27 mark so if you can't comprehend why I said that, then maybe you should actually watch what you're commenting under instead of just coming out the gates and attacking people over it.
I dunno if this is the place to ask you for it but would you possibly review the Ninjutso Origin One X? I like how I get to understand your testing and results from the vid so hopefully you can review this too!
imagine using 8000hz for Tetris, that would amazing
Tetris is played with keyboard 👀
@@KFPgod ohp there's this one Tetris via Chrome that we can play via mouse, which is kinda cheating because we can definitely click where we want the blocks to be on xD
@@hinacn8426 what
have you tested the pownage symetrical mice by useing the cable? i would like to know if there is any difference between wireless and cable mode. Thanks for your nice content!
More on the R8 carbon steering wheel 😁 looks sick! 👌
Can you use your rig to test sensor drift and accuracy? Move mouse back and forth while recording mouse input. Then calculate how much recorded position drifts from ideal. Could be interesting.
what a great channel, love the work💙💙
Hey my man. I love your vids. Can you do a video on mouse pads?
nearly 500k, congrats
Would be cool to see a comparison of the Razer Viper and the Corsair Sabre RGB PRO at 8k hz.
Was thinking the same
I might be wrong, but I think the polling rate has to do with the sensor position while a click event sends a CPU interrupt. So that could be why there is no difference between the polling rates tested and the click latency.
I just got the viper 8k, and i gotta say its much smoother than my old one, probably due to the fact that that was really bad, anyways, i am sticking to 1000hz in synapse, since i noticed some cpu lag spikes while using 8k in some games and the games which i normally play, for example valorant are not working with 8kz polling rate. Its a really good mouse tho, love the shape and pretty light
Great video as always, sounds like a good mouse to consider next, the scroll wheel on my intelli 3.0 pro is starting to die lol
You should do a mouse latency test with the different USB versions to see if they actually make a difference.
ofc the 8k is on top but gpx latency is still number 1 and its wirless really surprised me
Have you looked into NC/NO or SPDT switches? Mechanical switch that are SPDT and wired correctly should be lagless. In fact the switches you changed on your mouse *are* SPDT, its just that its used as a SPST switch. Also, even SPST (conventional) switches can be debounced quickly using an eager algorithm
I use the viper 8k, and I can feel a very big difference when compared to other mice or even lowering the polling rate. It might be because I use high sensitivity and I play extremely fast paced, but the difference is large enough to where I hate using other mice.
This is a solid mouse. I like the Razer Viper shape and the fact that the Vipers are a true ambidextrous mouse (I'm left-handed) is a big plus - something like the Model O or the Logitech Superlight don't work for me because there are no side mouse buttons on the right side of the body. I am one of those weirdos that also likes cabled peripherals - I have a wired mouse, headset, and even my Bluetooth keyboard stays plugged in because I just hate having to charge things, so the Viper 8K is great. Then you toss in the fact that it's about 60% cheaper the Viper Ultimate and you have a winner. And honestly, I thought the "smoother" stuff would be marketing fluff, but you can legitimately feel the difference when you're using it all day every day and then switch to a regular 500Hz or 1000Hz mouse - it feels slower and a bit jankier on the screen.
Razer 8k always works on 8khz. When you change polling rate on this mouse it only affects the sensor, not buttons
Could you compare the viper 8khz with viper v2 pro? I will love to see al that graphics comparison
I used to use the Razer viper ultimate for a while but tried and now switched to the 8khz but however i can only go 4000hz for fortnite. Still my new main mouse though
Great review and analysis!
Corsair Sabre Pro has 8khz and optical switches Nice video as always
I got one about six months ago along with a 270hz panel. It's nice. I run it @4000hz because 8000hz caused issues in certain games. I hear your gripe about the shape. I think that if it were a bit taller it would feel better in the hand too.
Propaganda, that's your fault not the mouse, or the games.
@@zazabean23 what?
What issues did it cause in what games? I'm curious because I have the same mouse but haven't had issues yet.
8K wireless with 3 different body shapes to choose from and Razer has it all... Thx as always... 👍😎
They would get sued for having a monopoly. No point in buying any other mouse!
tbh the low input lag is really useful for the best geometry dash players that sometimes need to make frame-perfect inputs.
*Y E S*
Wasn’t expecting to see some fellow dashers
Just use Rivatuner it's like v sync off x2 it's so responsive just cap your fps to slighly below refresh rate for best results 60hz: 59.97 75hz: 74.97 120: 119.97 you get the point
I'm curious what's the setup that you testing with 8KHz mouse and how to improve the fps lag in apex (in my old old setup it need to be set in 250Hz)
I got around the lag and stuttering in apex by disabling: v-sync, anti-aliasing, ambient occlusion. And setting texture filtering to bilinear.
There's no lag or stuttering due to the razer 8k. If there's any issues it's user error. The razer 8k could be making the GAMES stuttering more visible because Apex is a shit show of a game engine wise.
But does it increase CPU load and thus affect game smoothness in CPU limited situations?
man ty for the latency test of that 3399 8k:) were rly looking forward to see more mice on the list can u do the test also on 1600+ dpi too? some results says latency was properly decreased above 1600 dpi range
i run 8K DPI, and it works near 8khz
@@zazabean23 yea i wanted to see some latency results on higher dpi range cuz ive heard it performed the best at the range so i want to see if its gonna be true in his test too
Are wireless mice like the naga pro / logitech g pro X / superlight as fast as wired counter parts these days? As in, are they good enough for competitive gaming with input lag involved?
I really would like to see a video from you about trying mouse acceleration (raw accel) for some time
the mouse click is always the same speed because the usb interface always works with the same hz, the hz that can be changed only affect the sensor.
brain dead moment.
Hey man, Pro quake player K1llsen said he loves the smoothness of 8khz, but that when trying to keep 360frams for his monitor, 8k make sit less stable. Would you mind doing a video on rather this is true or not? Could be a problem with 8khz until systems get noticeable faster; only for people playing with hiiiiigh fps though. thanks!
What are you thoughts on pairing this mouse with high precision aiming on Overwatch?
it’s 6am in California and just when I was about to go to sleep this was uploaded 🙄 I guess another 8min video won’t hurt
Good informative video, appreciated.
when are you going to do the starlight 12? are you waiting for the restock?
Can you add razer deathadder to the list? Just curious how it would fare against its more expensive brothers
The clicks are always working at max polling rate no matter what you do (8000hz). Thats why you don’t see any differences between switching polling rates. I don't main the Viper 8k because the cable is not flexible enough, but in games that I can reach 300/400 fps, the difference is more than noticeable. No placebo xD. Btw, no stuttering for me in Apex at 8khz
That doesn't make any sense, but i guess the cable comment is fine. The 8khz is a great mouse and works fine.
The next time you make a video about the latest computer mouses, would you be able to include Corsair's latest computer mouse? (Corsair M65 RGB Ultra)
Is the 8 for the hz or the months it'll last till it stops working?
"if you're not hitting your shots in the first place"... low blow man, low blow.
I just picked this up for $37 at my local Best buy on Cyber Monday. For that price it's a no brainer! It's a nice addition to my Logitech G pro wireless.
Im Very picky about my mice . and honestly wasn't a huge fan of Razer ever but Ive used logitech, steel series , corsair , cooler master , etc.. The steel series rival 600 was my absolutely favorite because of how accurate the sensor felt to me. Its 1000hz but against the corsair Dark Core Pro 2000hz but the steel series was just way more accurate and felt more responsive. I recently picked up a 8000hz keyboard and noticed a huge difference in Warzone, Coldwar, Valorant, etc in crouching movement. After i got the 8k hz keyboard it was fair to pair it with a 8k mouse. As far as i know now Razer was the only company to do so. I honestly can't wait for more company's to produce their 8k mice , but also so more games do support it. Id say 80 percent of games don't support it . I love my Razer Viper 8k but it also has its "moments"
been using g502 still using 502 will continue using 502 best mouse imo.
optical switches are good but for some games double clicking is an realy big advantage
ive had mine for a while now, bout when Outriders released. just browsing the web and stuff feels a lot more precise. overwatch also feels really good to play. only downside is the few games that support the increased polling rate.
Propaganda. It works fine on every single game. Learn how to use a computer
I have the Viper 8Khz, it had a noticeable difference in latency, but the shape was wrong for me. I'm a claw finger tip hybrid with 20 x 10 hands. I'm maining the Zy's Rail, that one is too small for me, but I do like the shape. I've had the Model O, but that mouse stopped working after 2 yrs at the same time as my friend, planned obsolescence or cheaply made.
Thank you for that honesty. These comments must not be real LMFAO. Like the amount of retards on here is unbelievable...
hi! I have a question plz tell me about basilisk v2 .. is it good? for fps games like valo ...apex
I saw an Audi carbon fiber steering wheel there, I'd like to see what you got going there
If you could review the Dark Rock TF 2 vs. Noctua C14s that would be insane.
We're all gonna miss RocketJumpNinja, but I have a feeling that Optimum Tech is going to take the throne.
Zy still has his mouse finder tool that makes finding the right sized one easy though
No! Zy is still my hero!
when do we get a vid on the new acer 360(390) HZ monitor?
I personally use the Viper Ultimate because I prefer to have a wireless mouse, plus my brain (and my 100Hz panel) aren’t fast enough to take advantage of the 8,000 Hz pulling rate… But, I love the fact the Viper is truly ambidextrous because I am left handed…
Optimum, please review the t30 120mm case fan, people say it's the best in the market.
i play mainly modern warfare and i play 1400 dpi 6.30 sense in the game yes there is different specially when tracking and making small adjustments and i notice the there was like less input lag but when i put it inside a 3.2 usb gen 2 (red one) i feel the mouse feels weird on 3.2 usb gen 1 no problem so could you test that ( btw both usb is directed to amd chipset the main chip ) the only down side is the cable it is so bad but needed for the 8K hrz
Is that a zowie ec1-c on the click latency list or an older model?
5:15 & League of Legends, I had to use 1000hz coz of the huge fps drops on 8k hz
I heard it struggled with 1000hz too few years ago
i have a deathadder v2 since last year, and even though i love razer, i have to admit the build quality is kinda like playing russian roulette. I've swapped mine 2 times and the one i currently have is still not perfect. I can't really describe it well in english, but it's like the bottom part and the top part of the mouse are just not fused together like they should be. Don't get me wrong, i am very happy how the mouse performs, but the feeling of this mouse is all wrong. It's like holding something that's about to fall apart at any second idk. I would very much trade it for this viper mouse tho