Razer Viper 8k Delay Analysis

2024 ж. 16 Мам.
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Let's see if a polling rate of 8000Hz has a measurable impact on mouse latency and smoothness.
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0:00 Intro
0:10 Start
0:47 What is the Polling Rate?
1:26 Mouse Click Latency
4:34 Mouse Movement Latency
10:05 Smoothness
11:02 Conclusion
Razer Viper FW v1.01.00
#Razer #8000Hz #InputLag #Viper8k

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    @keezo1234@keezo12343 жыл бұрын
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      @BattleNonSense@BattleNonSense3 жыл бұрын
    • @@BattleNonSense sehr schade

      @ptb_dante@ptb_dante3 жыл бұрын
    • @@BattleNonSense "razer viper 8k gone sexual prank the cops came"

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    • This isn't a bath bomb bubble bath challenge. So, obviously algorithm isn't going to push this content. I came here by search lol.

      @Madhawk1995@Madhawk19953 жыл бұрын
  • Great work

    @Andrewjrt@Andrewjrt3 жыл бұрын
    • fancy seeing you here andrew O.O In the market for another mouse I'm guessing?

      @rappermerch7785@rappermerch77853 жыл бұрын
    • yooo andrew whats good

      @rio1408@rio14083 жыл бұрын
  • Since some seem to have missed it. At 11:58 I make clear that I do *NOT* recommend to just use the maximum DPI value! The ideal DPI value depends on many factors like build quality of your mouse, quality of the sensor, firmware, etc. By simply choosing the maximum DPI value you _might_ make matters worse _if_ your mouse cannot handle that without issues _(jitter, increased delay, etc.)_ . The point I made there was that very *low* DPI values should be avoided - but don't just go to the other extreme. 😅 Also there will be a followup video where I plan to test more DPI values as well as wired vs. wireless. Not sure about the format of that video or video(s) depending on how many mice I will test.

    @BattleNonSense@BattleNonSense3 жыл бұрын
    • So a dpi of 800 compare to 1600 will give the same results? Or 1600 dpi is the sweet spot?

      @andreacastelli7066@andreacastelli70663 жыл бұрын
    • Great video. So 800dpi will be same as 1600dpi? What will you recommended the dpi for Razer Deathadder v2 as afaik it has the latest best sensor may be! Thanks .

      @tarekenam8132@tarekenam81323 жыл бұрын
    • For the people wondering, your 'optimal' dpi depends on the sensor on your mouse, for most 'gaming' sensors the sensor will start smothing/add correction to your imput when it is over 2000 dpi so you should probably stay below that.

      @Haps_q@Haps_q3 жыл бұрын
    • @@andreacastelli7066 I cannot say for sure as I have not tested 800DPI I do plan to do a followup video so that goes on the ToDo list! :)

      @BattleNonSense@BattleNonSense3 жыл бұрын
    • @@BattleNonSense thanks!

      @andreacastelli7066@andreacastelli70663 жыл бұрын
  • God damn, this channel is such a precious thing. Seriously

    @PvL501@PvL5013 жыл бұрын
  • Interesting to know about the fact that low DPI can cause higher latency

    @Ikubaris@Ikubaris3 жыл бұрын
    • If I'm not mistaken it should only really effect the initial movement because it takes more physical movement to trigger a cursor movement.

      @yoyoninjaboy6431@yoyoninjaboy64313 жыл бұрын
    • @@yoyoninjaboy6431 That's kind of what latency means, doesn't it? Like with a Bluetooth mouse, it's an initial movement delay of 8ms over wired mouse, but beyond that the delay doesn't change.

      @filipbunalti@filipbunalti3 жыл бұрын
    • @@filipbunalti yeah I guess I just wanted to state that it would only be relevant if moving a single pixel. Wouldn't it also only be relevant if you reached a breakpoint to process the input on an earlier frame?

      @yoyoninjaboy6431@yoyoninjaboy64313 жыл бұрын
    • @@yoyoninjaboy6431 I'd just like to know if it would make a big difference for me as i have been playing with 800DPI for a long time. Unfortunately Chris didnt show any tests with my exact DPI number so i can only assume a number between 400DPI and 1600DPI

      @Ikubaris@Ikubaris3 жыл бұрын
    • @@yoyoninjaboy6431 Everything you do in terms of mouse motion would be "ahead" by that amount of time i.e. each frame of the game will have more "advanced" mouse position consistently.

      @filipbunalti@filipbunalti3 жыл бұрын
  • its insane how much effort you put in your videos great job man

    @sombradude2725@sombradude27253 жыл бұрын
  • OBSCENELY high quality deep dive into a very important topic! I love this channel so much. Thank you for all of the great work you do, Chris!

    @badnewsbruner@badnewsbruner3 жыл бұрын
  • The most impressive is how you could show detailed tests conditions and conclusions. All perfectly explained in less than 15 mins. Absolute jewel.

    @chavacanoism@chavacanoism3 жыл бұрын
  • Insanely high value content. you put so much work into this!

    @OxxidCZ@OxxidCZ3 жыл бұрын
  • absolutly phenomenal content my dude! you deserve all the subs!

    @flashbits6614@flashbits66143 жыл бұрын
  • Your work on this video is insane! All my questions have been answered. Thanks a lot.

    @REMY.C.@REMY.C.3 жыл бұрын
  • This was absolutely mind blowing. Thank you so much!

    @samuelmayo9555@samuelmayo95553 жыл бұрын
  • Insane testing, especially if you can automate it. I think you should run a website providing this information for as many mice as possible, I think you would be the only source for this information then.

    @kotibus9417@kotibus94173 жыл бұрын
    • PLEASE

      @compuguy123@compuguy1233 жыл бұрын
  • This guy and tech Jesus save us everytime :3

    @RobbyRoberts91@RobbyRoberts913 жыл бұрын
  • OBSCENELY high quality deep dive into a very important topic! Thank you for all of the great work you do, Chris!

    @shinobi_endure@shinobi_endure2 жыл бұрын
  • This was extremley helpful! I appreciated the huge effort behind testing very much! Absolutely top of the notch content!

    @chrisw5145@chrisw51453 жыл бұрын
  • as someone who used to play csgo on very low spec laptop, i used to run 250hz on my mouse because it lessens the load on the processor. The processor was so average that when i move the mouse on cs at 1000hz i lost ~10-20 frames (from around 90 to 70-80). By setting it to 250hz, i'm able to maintain 60fps on competitive matches, and no longer lose frames when moving my mouse. I now use a much better pc, but i probably still wont use 8000hz polling rate even when it's a standard. Just to save on processor power. Also this is an very awesome video, great tests and results!

    @ohdudez@ohdudez3 жыл бұрын
    • @BBlenong just buy a better cpu forehead

      @silentplayz6797@silentplayz67973 жыл бұрын
    • @@silentplayz6797 ahhh, most old laptops = non replaceable CPU. and often people get them as hand me downs as they often do not have the cash to buy one. so.....

      @madmax2069@madmax20693 жыл бұрын
    • @@madmax2069 i'd say 99.9% of laptops on the market doesn't have the option to swap out cpu or gpu, not just old ones

      @omarcere9383@omarcere93832 жыл бұрын
    • @@omarcere9383 today thats mainly true, but back in the day (in the core 2 duo days) many laptops had a CPU socket, the only thing you couldn't upgrade was the GPU.

      @madmax2069@madmax20692 жыл бұрын
  • Damnn man 7 weeks huh ? well thank you soo much for making these kinda video that helps us learn more about latency and all the new Tech.

    @KenneyBear@KenneyBear3 жыл бұрын
  • So much work went into this testing, respect.

    @alisioardiona727@alisioardiona727 Жыл бұрын
  • Thank you for all the testing and info. Greatly appreciated.

    @darkseedling@darkseedling3 жыл бұрын
  • I love having the "sharpshooter" button set to an extremely high DPI. It allows for fun things like rapidly spinning or ease of use with controlling certain aspects of games that force your mouse movement slower, like tank turret rotation or helicopters.

    @lizardizzle@lizardizzle3 жыл бұрын
  • who else came here from Jackfrags? PS: Great quality content. I don't regret clicking on this video

    @theazariel6173@theazariel61733 жыл бұрын
  • I've always loved your videos and in depth analysis but this video took things to another level. I appreciate you testing this in CSGO as well. Keep up the good work, one of the best youtube channels out there

    @madeyourmark@madeyourmark3 жыл бұрын
  • So much effort for this video. Amazing!

    @jascha5303@jascha53033 жыл бұрын
  • cant wait for the follow up video! great work though! will be interesting on wireless vs wired and 800 vs 1600 dpi. I've also heard that having a dpi value over your polling rate is important hmmmm maybe a test worth trying?

    @tinytittim1407@tinytittim14073 жыл бұрын
  • Well, time to move from 800 to 1600 DPI I guess :D Thanks for this detailed video, great work!

    @freesS3@freesS33 жыл бұрын
    • The problem is that a lot of games have bad sensitivity settings. And when they are bad it's almost always better to have lower dpi because the sensitivity always is too high with high dpi settings.

      @rincx329@rincx3293 жыл бұрын
    • @@rincx329 Well, maybe that is the case with older games, but any title released after 2015 should do perfectly fine with 1600 DPI and a lower in-game sens.

      @freesS3@freesS33 жыл бұрын
    • @@rincx329 maybe we can change the windows sens? mouse 1600dpi windows sens maybe 4 ticks or 5 instead of the default 6. Now the real question then again is would that introduce input lag since i guess the cpu would have to scale the input down so i guess multiply some shit depending on how the scaling is done. Idk how exactly input is processed

      @jimothyus@jimothyus3 жыл бұрын
    • ​@@freesS3 You get less fine-grain control the higher your mouse DPI is, many games give you an arbitrary whole number scale of 1-20 or something like that. For example a game where I play with 400 DPI and '3' in game, and it only has full number steps, if I were to switch to 1600 DPI to maintain the same eDPI I'd want to switch my in game sensitivity to '0.75', which wouldn't be possible.

      @domzaeWoW@domzaeWoW3 жыл бұрын
    • @@domzaeWoW Well, all the games I play will work perfectly fine for me. I play 30cm/360, so its not the lowest sens. I can easily half my ingame sens in any game I play. And I wouldn't even know any game which wouldn't allow me to half it either.

      @freesS3@freesS33 жыл бұрын
  • so much information and testing :O you're doing god's work here, keep it up

    @DeoxyShocK@DeoxyShocK3 жыл бұрын
  • Fantastic video! Thank you for the great explanation of your testing-methods. I really like your scientific approach and could follow your thoughts easy. Keep up the great work!

    @XMaxxxiX@XMaxxxiX3 жыл бұрын
  • love the content!!!

    @hoover9390@hoover93903 жыл бұрын
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    @Kller7@Kller73 жыл бұрын
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    @kwinzman@kwinzman3 жыл бұрын
  • oh my god the quality dude you're freaking amazing I'm sure I'm gonna return here like 5 years in the future and I'll say hey I was here 5 years ago, that's my comment over there

    @yaago@yaago3 жыл бұрын
    • You need two more years haha

      @jav2049@jav20492 ай бұрын
  • Amazing review and breakdown !!! You got my sub

    @UNknitMC17@UNknitMC172 жыл бұрын
  • A lot of work in this vid for sure an honor to have subscribed.

    @gstackx3607@gstackx36072 жыл бұрын
  • To sum up: 1000hz polling rate + 1600 DPI is the sweet spot (for most people).

    @DurvalLacerda@DurvalLacerda Жыл бұрын
  • battle(non)sense: "it is not ideal to use low dpi setting" every csgo pros : "low dpi goes brrr!!!"

    @s0meRand0m129@s0meRand0m1293 жыл бұрын
    • i've always known they're stupid.

      @BOZ_11@BOZ_113 жыл бұрын
    • not ideal does not mean it will make any difference in a real world environment

      @andreasbarnickel8509@andreasbarnickel85093 жыл бұрын
    • @@andreasbarnickel8509 they're stupid

      @BOZ_11@BOZ_113 жыл бұрын
    • mmm... very salty

      @s0meRand0m129@s0meRand0m1293 жыл бұрын
    • It probably makes their aim feel more floaty so they miss less

      @Optive@Optive3 жыл бұрын
  • amazing quality content, you definitely deserve more subs

    @noyz2828@noyz28283 жыл бұрын
  • Picoscope FTW! Thanks for your time and effort, it's very much appreciated.

    @andrewsimper@andrewsimper9 ай бұрын
  • If that video leads to most pros changing their dpi, it would be pretty insane. Loving the quality content. Keep it up

    @tunnfisch7548@tunnfisch75483 жыл бұрын
    • It wont because it is flawed. This is an Ad for the razer mouse. While its known that the input delay from higher DPI's is less they are generally speaking less accurate and thats why pro's use lower DPI's. High DPI usually introduces line skipping issues making it overall less accurate.

      @cupcakebunnyprod@cupcakebunnyprod3 жыл бұрын
    • @@cupcakebunnyprod "line skipping"?

      @chonkusdonkus@chonkusdonkus3 жыл бұрын
    • The reason people use lower DPI is that it makes your movement smoother and less jittery. Probably due to higher latency. I personally can track better when my mouse is set to 500Hz even lol. It just makes my movement smoother so I can track easier.

      @parsastrife6629@parsastrife66293 жыл бұрын
    • @@chonkusdonkus lines on your screen yes. Higher DPI can skip every other pixel making it less accurate.

      @cupcakebunnyprod@cupcakebunnyprod3 жыл бұрын
    • @@cupcakebunnyprod there is nothing that would suggest this would happen, unless the sensor is bad and can't track properly

      @chonkusdonkus@chonkusdonkus3 жыл бұрын
  • For future mouse movement tests, consider strapping the mouse onto a cartesian 3d printer. You should be able to easily automate the movement of the main plate relative to the mouse in 3 dimensions. No need to reset it manually. Probably fast and accurate enough for these tests too.

    @AxWarhawk@AxWarhawk3 жыл бұрын
    • I considered that. Following problems: - how to ensure that the contacts touch - movement too slow - expensive What such a setup (i.e. drawing robot) would be great for is to test sensor accuracy.

      @BattleNonSense@BattleNonSense3 жыл бұрын
    • @@BattleNonSense What about using a turn table for vinyl records? That would give consistent speed, but the vector would always be the same which is maybe not what you want. Also one must make sure to always put the sensor on the same "track" since speed will vary.

      @skyltdockan@skyltdockan3 жыл бұрын
  • Careful, well done and presented research. Thank you for your effort.

    @Voulltapher@Voulltapher3 жыл бұрын
  • Great video Chris. It's clear you put a ton of work into this video.

    @Waremonger@Waremonger3 жыл бұрын
  • Some people like to lower their polling rate because it interferes with USB power and can cause bugs in some programs. This happened to AntVenom in Minecraft.

    @atticusnari@atticusnari3 жыл бұрын
  • I always felt 1600 dpi was simply better than 400/800 but this pretty much confirms it. More responsive and smoother. The only reason I use 800 is because it's better for the desktop. Now I'm going to try to switch permanently to 1600 for every game that supports it.

    @ABCboy5@ABCboy53 жыл бұрын
  • this is so amazing, seriously. very well done

    @Robsai@Robsai3 жыл бұрын
  • WOW great video man, I REALLY enjoyed the technical analysis you did on the mouse!!!!!!!!!!! AMAZING video

    @II_superluminal_II@II_superluminal_II2 жыл бұрын
  • 4:24 Because operating at higher poll rates can increase CPU usage and may delay other input chains (like your keyboard), or delay other more important processing chains within your PC. Having a real 1000hz poll rate is already excessive since your framerate and monitor delay is the main bottleneck to focus on, not your mouse.

    @KITOMERO@KITOMERO3 жыл бұрын
    • i think there's a misunderstanding here. what you explained is a perfectly valid reason to slow down the rate of move events, but b(n)s was asking why one would slow down click events. the key difference is that the sensor can (and will) actually generate 8k move events per second when asked to do so, while the mouse buttons will only generate 1 event per click/release. so unless you perform 8k mouse clicks per second (which is physically impossible) the buttons will never overload the CPU with events and thus don't have to be restricted to a lower polling rate. so we actually have 2 polling rates now: 1: the actual USB polling rate (determined by the USB port generation) 2: the sensor update rate (determined by the user setting) except for the G203, in which case the user setting actually lowers #1

      @LastExceed@LastExceed3 жыл бұрын
    • @@LastExceed But that's the problem. There's no way to individually set the poll rates for these parameters. You only have one setting within the driver panel (if you're lucky), and that might not even do anything depending on the mouse and its drivers. Nor is there a way for anyone to reasonably verify it, so manufacturers could blatently lie to you. Which is why I recommend to just set the poll rate to 500 or 1000 and not over, even if the mouse has the capability, since you're trying to get rid of the actual bottlenecks in your system instead of contributing to it. Since USB devices function on a system-interrupt basis, it really is a trade-off for higher poll rates which can have an impact on other areas of system responsiveness (even framerate in some cases), in exchange for such a minor improvement in mouse responsiveness in realworld scenarios. Having better frametimes and more consistent FPS is more productive to the overall end-to-end latency when you're already at 500 or 1000hz poll rate.

      @KITOMERO@KITOMERO3 жыл бұрын
    • what if u have 10 cores or higher cpu? does it still matter?

      @TheKillerZmile@TheKillerZmile3 жыл бұрын
    • @@TheKillerZmile yes, because input handling is usually single-threaded. Also the actual CPU time requirement of input logic varies vastly from game to game. If its simple and well optimized then it wont be a problem even on mediocre hardware, but in some games even top tier CPUs will suffer

      @LastExceed@LastExceed3 жыл бұрын
    • @@TheKillerZmile The amount of cores you have only matters as much as how well modern game engines can utilize them. We are still stuck in a transitional period where anything beyond 4 or 8 physical/virtual cores is not utilized well and single-threaded performance is still king for gaming. But even if you could run all IO related tasks like USB processing on a separate core/thread to the game or application, it would still take CPU time to process, and also time to communicate with the game engine.

      @KITOMERO@KITOMERO3 жыл бұрын
  • What about 800 vs 1600 dpi for input delay

    @Phyb3r@Phyb3r3 жыл бұрын
    • Exactly my question.

      @MrRake-jk5dq@MrRake-jk5dq3 жыл бұрын
    • Just use 1600 dpi, no reason to use 800.

      @Rainnnny@Rainnnny3 жыл бұрын
    • @@Rainnnny yeah just change your sensitivity that youve probably been playing on for years. its not that hard bro i've played on 400dpi for over 7 years and its impossible for me to go up

      @kamiyado1252@kamiyado12523 жыл бұрын
    • Yeah he never answered the issue of 800 or 1600 for non 8k hz mice. He assumed the difference was inherent to all mice for the rest of the video.

      @Nick-ti9rz@Nick-ti9rz3 жыл бұрын
    • @@kamiyado1252 just change ingame Sens when you increase dpi , it's not that hard lol

      @wisphen@wisphen3 жыл бұрын
  • Your standard of testing + transparency/portrayal of data is still extremely refreshing. Great work :)

    @potatosmasher1072@potatosmasher10723 жыл бұрын
  • Great Vid! I just bought my Razer Viper 8k, I really appreciate you in depth analysis.

    @jens2728@jens2728 Жыл бұрын
  • Having 2 little kids increased my input lag tremendously :P When I think about moving my mouse it takes about 1 day to 2 weeks for it actually moves. But then it is mostly fine for a few minutes.

    @vacinden@vacinden3 жыл бұрын
    • I'm lucky that mine gets distracted by the pretty lights in the computer usually buys me 30-45 minutes uninterrupted lol

      @moonmessiah9368@moonmessiah93683 жыл бұрын
    • @@moonmessiah9368 Lol :) Nonono the pretty lights on the keyboard draw the 2 year old in...they have to be pressed/slapped and turned off :) And when they are off they have to be turned on and off and on and off :P Before I would get some time during naptime but that is over..no more naps .

      @vacinden@vacinden3 жыл бұрын
  • Hey man nice video but why did you not check 800 DPI? I think 400 DPI is known to produce input lag while 800 and anything above should be fine ? im not 100% sure on that but i would love to see an update else i would need to go to 1600 DPI from now on haha

    @ohmycalul8984@ohmycalul89843 жыл бұрын
    • Same 🙄

      @MrChrisGER@MrChrisGER3 жыл бұрын
    • _"why did you not check 800 DPI?"_ Time - this video took 7 weeks to make. I will do a followup video though. So more DPI testing is on the todo list.

      @BattleNonSense@BattleNonSense3 жыл бұрын
    • @@BattleNonSense nice to hear- thanks und dankeschöööön 🤗 / bin sehr interessiert zwischen 800 und 1600 dpi da ich meine razer im Treiber immer auf 800 stehen habe und dann ingame die weiteren Einstellungen vornehme - dank dir habe ich alle g sync Einstellungen + vsync und auch den afterburner auf meinem pc und erstmals spiele ich mit einer gleichmäßigen framtime und der Unterschied ist Gold wert 😘😘😘

      @MrChrisGER@MrChrisGER3 жыл бұрын
    • @@BattleNonSense Thanks for the great info, can't wait for the follow up vids!

      @RumenPBRUHMM@RumenPBRUHMM3 жыл бұрын
  • This is beyond incredible! Thank you!

    @basblob@basblob3 жыл бұрын
  • You are A CRAZY man...Thank you for yet again another amazing and informative video :)

    @tomtaox4@tomtaox43 жыл бұрын
  • @Battle(non)sense your testing/engineering skills is fucking insane ) I predict that nvidia will use your findings in new feature in RTX 40x0, as they did with your latency work in 30x0 ))

    @SAS1122334455@SAS11223344553 жыл бұрын
    • I think they did on the reflex

      @xclan4154@xclan41543 жыл бұрын
  • 8000hz. Highly recommended as an Overwatch tank main like me, especially Reinhard.:) Thx for this stunning work!

    @sir_bumpalot@sir_bumpalot3 жыл бұрын
    • lol, there is an option in ow called enhanced mouse precision. If you dont enable that, ow cant even utlize 1000hz.

      @qiyuxuan9437@qiyuxuan94373 жыл бұрын
  • A comment due to all your hard work and to help with the algorithm. Interesting to see how the data regarding DPI is different to a lot of advice. Another fantastic video.

    @andyhickman3509@andyhickman35093 жыл бұрын
  • Sir, you are insane and I love it! 🧡💛🧡 Such meticulous test setup is something to behold!

    @tee_es_bee@tee_es_bee3 жыл бұрын
  • @Battle(non)sense It's nice to see you have grown a lot and use lab equipment now.

    @N0N0111@N0N01113 жыл бұрын
    • Thanks to the support of my awesome patrons I am able to afford that gear and not have my channel kill my bank account. 😅

      @BattleNonSense@BattleNonSense3 жыл бұрын
    • @@BattleNonSense plz test raw input on/off in some games(in cs go and for example apex legends). Some people in reddit say raw input make things worse

      @user-ri4qo4ym8s@user-ri4qo4ym8s3 жыл бұрын
    • And again TY for your work!

      @user-ri4qo4ym8s@user-ri4qo4ym8s3 жыл бұрын
  • What a fantastic, thorough investigation! Thank you. Can I use the pointer speed setting in Windows to get normal cursor speed on the desktop despite using a higher DPI, or are there any issues with that setting?

    @staticv3570@staticv35703 жыл бұрын
    • Windows cursor speed other than the neutral setting introduces mouse acceleration on the desktop and in any software that doesn't use raw input (shouldn't be a problem for most shooters).

      @crownofarnias@crownofarnias3 жыл бұрын
    • This is a good question

      @jimothyus@jimothyus3 жыл бұрын
    • @@crownofarnias I have not seen changing the pointer speed in windows introduce mouse acceleration - that is with "enhance pointer precision" *disabled* ofc. :)

      @BattleNonSense@BattleNonSense3 жыл бұрын
    • Looks like I was misinformed and the reason people recommend 6/11 mouse speed has something to do with skipping counts/pixels, not acceleration. Not sure how valid that is. Either way, the setting shouldn't affect the aiming in most modern shooters because of raw input. It might affect the parts of the game where you have a cursor though.

      @crownofarnias@crownofarnias3 жыл бұрын
  • Wow this is exactly what i was looking for since i bought the razor 8k mouse. I subbed n thank you for ur work!

    @yoitsnio@yoitsnio3 жыл бұрын
  • Incredible video! Thanks for all your hard work!

    @WMCheerman@WMCheerman Жыл бұрын
  • Did you test the G203’s motion delay? Would be interesting to know how mercury/hero sensor compares to pixart sensors

    @Kristosization@Kristosization3 жыл бұрын
    • Sorry but I did not. At one point I had to stop to add more and more tests. 😅

      @BattleNonSense@BattleNonSense3 жыл бұрын
  • Thanks to JackFrags for sending me here, so much good stuff !

    @thebloodything1471@thebloodything14713 жыл бұрын
    • What video did jackfrags mention this video just curious?

      @bm2618@bm26183 жыл бұрын
  • WTF, the way you analyze made me subs to you. This is some next-level review. Keep posting!

    @johnyonardpauly5601@johnyonardpauly56013 жыл бұрын
  • I'm quickly becoming a huge fan of your channel. I would love to see you do a video on matching your Windows sens to your game sens! I've already changed my DPI thanks to your testing, but I think managing consistency through every day use is also very important.

    @isaacclarke2072@isaacclarke20722 жыл бұрын
  • ngl i thought your desk was massively deep but it was just optical effect :)

    @EVOXSNES@EVOXSNES3 жыл бұрын
    • it is quite deep with ~90cm - I built that myself :)

      @BattleNonSense@BattleNonSense3 жыл бұрын
    • @@BattleNonSense Is it mounted on the wall or you added legs ?

      @Akyariss@Akyariss3 жыл бұрын
  • Commenting for YT algorithm visibility

    @GunmanTheH@GunmanTheH3 жыл бұрын
  • Great vid

    @strahfe@strahfe Жыл бұрын
  • i swear this is the most insane video i have ever seen in years you are a legend dude keep up the good work

    @king_leb3171@king_leb31713 жыл бұрын
  • I think people would use higher dpi if games wont spin like aimbot when you have lowest sensitivity and 800 dpi. I also wish every game has a sensitivity slider like csgo where you can enter any value like 0.85 without stepping over it.

    @Alex_1652@Alex_16523 жыл бұрын
    • Yeah, most games have garbage sensitivity settings. RDR2 on PC comes to mind. It's unplayable with DPI higher than 400.

      @VargVikernes1488@VargVikernes14883 жыл бұрын
    • @@VargVikernes1488 maybe devs use old trackbal mouse

      @Alex_1652@Alex_16523 жыл бұрын
    • @@VargVikernes1488 good thing aim aint important on RDR

      @BOZ_11@BOZ_113 жыл бұрын
    • It's so dumb. Even FPS game devs think people want to play 5 cm per 360. If a game has 50 sensitivity notches to choose from, 5 to 50 notches of the ingame sensitivity are uselessly fast. Leaving you with 5 values to choose from between 1-5 so you're forced to change your DPI to fine-tune.

      @SmashCrunch@SmashCrunch3 жыл бұрын
    • Yea i use 400dpi mostly because every game has a ridiculous sensitivity setting out of the box.

      @elobiretv@elobiretv3 жыл бұрын
  • So a lower DPI causes an increase in delay? How interesting! This is significant considering the debate between using low DPI/high sens or high DPI/low sens..... I've always been told it doesn't matter which way you go since they "balance out" either way.

    @klekaelly@klekaelly3 жыл бұрын
    • Multiple factors could play into this, but a higher DPI will obviously give you better movement resolution over time resulting in less latency. I didn't crunch the numbers, but depending on how fast you actually move the mouse this may or may not have a lot of impact. Further delay may also be added by data processing from the sensor which may depend on the mouse settings. In the end it's always an "it depends".

      @theIpatix@theIpatix3 жыл бұрын
  • Love your videos! Makes me proud to be a PC enthusiast! So much to work on to get the pc so its max potential!

    @darrylrogue7729@darrylrogue77293 жыл бұрын
  • Simply the best to do it. Thanks Chris.

    @dakrawnik4208@dakrawnik4208 Жыл бұрын
  • Lots of people like to use 400 dpi for general windows/application use -- do you expect something like RawAccel (mouse-acceleration programs operating at kernel level) or using something like 4/11 instead of 6/11 in the windows mouse speed settings to effect the input delay when switching to a higher dpi like 1600? If so, to what extent, would it be totally counter productive and eliminate any input lag gains from the switch from 400dpi to 1600dpi? I suppose a qualitative answer is the best to hope for until such a test is performed, but I'm curious to hear your thoughts!

    @Blindastronomer@Blindastronomer3 жыл бұрын
    • Use 400-800 in Windows and cursor-heavy games and switch to higher DPI for shooters. Changing the settings in Windows itself, unless you're sure the game uses raw input, is asking for trouble.

      @VargVikernes1488@VargVikernes14883 жыл бұрын
  • Very great video as always, you do so much tests and it's always the right metodology, I think lower dpi has lower latency because the sensor needs to travel less distance to send information to the computer that the louse loved but i didn't expect ut could have that much impact

    @Rezler_@Rezler_3 жыл бұрын
    • u think??Dude already tested it out that low sens has high latency. what are u even saying?

      @someoneprice2371@someoneprice23712 жыл бұрын
  • Awesome video chris. Cannot wait for more videos.

    @connostyper@connostyper3 жыл бұрын
  • Amazing work again. Danke für die perfekten Videos

    @Iugvn@Iugvn3 жыл бұрын
  • *Has super accurate 8kz polling rate mouse* *plays Reinhardt*

    @ol1mar@ol1mar3 жыл бұрын
    • Lmfao!

      @firellio070@firellio0702 жыл бұрын
  • Battlenonsense were the mouse pad pushed at the same speed with the two different dpi values? If so the 1600dpi would be moving 4 times as much right? Could that be the reason for the lower latency? Also were you using usb 2.0 or usb 3.+? Also very curious to know if stuff like the systemresponsive setting in the registry database changes anything for your results? Can't shake the feeling that something like drivers from different mice was the cause of the polling rate not working properly?

    @lemsdk17@lemsdk173 жыл бұрын
    • I think lower dpi has lower latency because the sensor needs to travel 4 times less distance to send information to the computer that the louse loved but i didn't expect ut could have that much impact

      @Rezler_@Rezler_3 жыл бұрын
    • USB 3.0 (aka SuperSpeed) is completely irrelevant for input device latency. The fastest interrupt service interval of Super Speed is 8000 Hz, the same as High Speed USB.

      @theIpatix@theIpatix3 жыл бұрын
    • @@Rezler_ i am sure you mean higher dpi and according to my own test it is opposite of what you said.if i move my mouse slowly across the screen the polling rate is very low... somewhere around 15-25hz... if i start moving it faster across the screen it will go up to 1000 hz. It all depended on how faster i was moving the pointer on the screen not the mouse. So if you move a mouse physicly the same distance at the same speed the dpi will play a factor to the polling rate making higher dpi give the result of higher polling rate

      @lemsdk17@lemsdk173 жыл бұрын
    • @@theIpatix actually i wanted to make sure he was using usb 2.0 as the newer versions have plenty of reported issues with mice

      @lemsdk17@lemsdk173 жыл бұрын
  • Very impressive work Battle The Razer should 100% add your video to them site !!!

    @Hypnotic6@Hypnotic6 Жыл бұрын
  • Absolutely brilliant 👍🏻 Thank you.

    @doogieboomstick9316@doogieboomstick93163 жыл бұрын
  • Wow, amazing work! But... Wait what? Did Battle(non)sense just proved that 1600 dpi is better than 800 and 400 dpi? Sadly there was no 800 dpi tests which I got used to. Now Im confused and Idk I need to switch to 1600 dpi or 800 dpi is fine? And im talking here about Hero Sensor with 1k Hz (g pro superlight and my g305). @Battle(non)sense - can u explain to us if 1600 dpi matters only for 8khz? or we should also use higher dpi like at least 1600 for 1khz mouses? And im talking here about 240hz/1080p (with no more than 240 fps lets say). I think 800 dpi is perfect spot because even if I devined my sensitivity in game I feel my mouse is overshooting.

    @sebash6@sebash63 жыл бұрын
    • There will be a followup video where I test more DPI values and (hopefully) wired vs. wireless.

      @BattleNonSense@BattleNonSense3 жыл бұрын
    • @@BattleNonSense after my subjective tests I think 1600 dpi can matters on 360hz only. For 1080p 240hz 800dpi is still enough. Still I wonder how pros can play on 400dpi and still be good

      @sebash6@sebash63 жыл бұрын
    • @@sebash6 1. dpi probably has a negligible difference in their overall performance in the game; 2. they would be even better with good dpi settings.

      @Rainnnny@Rainnnny3 жыл бұрын
  • gpu scaling vs display? any knowledge, maybe a potential vid

    @Thunderbolt604@Thunderbolt6043 жыл бұрын
    • gpu nowadays is faster and neglible on delays

      @TheKillerZmile@TheKillerZmile3 жыл бұрын
    • Yes! I too think equal.

      @Leandru07@Leandru073 жыл бұрын
  • great video as always. thank you.

    @nerd_one_ai2157@nerd_one_ai21573 жыл бұрын
  • Once again Chris nailed it! Amazing Job! Incredible patience and such a meticulous workaholic. I thought you would eventually talk about the impact on the cpu as I know you like to cover 100 percent all topics you study/experiment. I know on modern Processors, It shouldn't be such a problem and so is maybe irrelevant...

    @007fRAGMa@007fRAGMa3 жыл бұрын
  • Lol, RocketJumpNinja could learn from this. This is how you test mice

    @mnamethonk@mnamethonk3 жыл бұрын
    • Holding anyone to BattleNonsense's standard is absurd. Just be grateful for the quality of both.

      @shiv1078@shiv10783 жыл бұрын
    • Different types of testing - this is objective testing, RJN almost exclusively does subjective testing. Both have their place.

      @filipbunalti@filipbunalti3 жыл бұрын
    • @@filipbunalti I am aware, for the timewindow he releases videos he could do that research. Assuming that he has time for that.

      @mnamethonk@mnamethonk3 жыл бұрын
  • What is the impact of high polling when playing at more reasonable framerates (100-200)? This analysis is really impressive but it still doesn't explain what this tech will (or won't) do for most PC gamers. Until 360 hz and up monitors become the norm and GPUs are widely available to put out these kinds of framerates AND games are developed to run at these framerates without glitches and physics issues this all still seems to be creating a solution for a problem that doesn't yet exist.

    @pumpkinmeerkat3692@pumpkinmeerkat36923 жыл бұрын
    • Marketing mostly but if it costs nothing and is technically better why not.

      @yoyoninjaboy6431@yoyoninjaboy64313 жыл бұрын
    • 8000Hz is really meant for those who already maxed out everything else. But if the mouse you want to buy anyway supports more than 1000Hz then it won't do any harm.

      @BattleNonSense@BattleNonSense3 жыл бұрын
    • Totally get that and I'm glad they added it to the mouse rather than make it a "premium" feature. Just hope this doesn't turn into polling rate wars between manufacturers like with dpi and sensors in the past. Amazing analysis and quality AS ALWAYS, would just like to see more of what the impact is for more typical fps and any insight content creators might have from razer regarding support for this tech in games going forward.

      @pumpkinmeerkat3692@pumpkinmeerkat36923 жыл бұрын
    • @@yoyoninjaboy6431 Well, there is a cost in multiple regards: You need a USB High Speed PHY, which is generally more expensive (probably negligible in relation to "gamer" mice prices) and requires more power to operate. Thus the power draw on your PC and on your mouse is increased (+ the additional CPU load due to interrupts), so an engineer's perspective may choose to not implement this since the average practical gain is not really there but saving on power/budget is generally desirable, even if it's just a watt or two. I mean, there actually are reasons why your cheap laptop mouse runs at 125 Hz.

      @theIpatix@theIpatix3 жыл бұрын
    • @@theIpatix fantastic points. In fact I suppose it's possible that the cpu overhead could result in a small variance in frame time in cpu bound scenarios. Eliminating the benefit or resulting in a total system latency increase. (Not trying to tell people what is or what isn't just thinking out loud)

      @yoyoninjaboy6431@yoyoninjaboy64313 жыл бұрын
  • Wow! I absolutely love the detailed research you put into this! I am surprised how much DPI affects latency

    @harrydang9@harrydang93 жыл бұрын
  • Best vid about the vipper 8k! thanks my guy.

    @zen170@zen1702 жыл бұрын
  • The majority of CSGO Pros use 400dpi, they should adjust their sensitivities to make their DPI higher and their in game sensitivity lower?

    @dsy6238@dsy62383 жыл бұрын
    • if they want that 2ms of lower latency then the data suggest that they should

      @FakeMichau@FakeMichau3 жыл бұрын
    • and most of them uses 4:3 resolution, i dont know if that has some effect like battlenonsense test.

      @TheKillerZmile@TheKillerZmile3 жыл бұрын
    • I think they do it because they used to it.

      @Alex_1652@Alex_16523 жыл бұрын
    • @@TheKillerZmile Not really. You might get a few extra FPS because you have a lower resulution than 16:9 but the rest stays the same.

      @tunnfisch7548@tunnfisch75483 жыл бұрын
    • @@tunnfisch7548 There could be some scaling latency in play. I'm not saying there is but I see how that could be the case.

      @FakeMichau@FakeMichau3 жыл бұрын
  • Can you make a netcode video about Hunt Showdown? / Kannst du ein Netcode Video über Hunt Showdown machen?

    @Bobcation@Bobcation3 жыл бұрын
  • thank you so much for this info! this content is GOLD

    @diegormj1@diegormj13 жыл бұрын
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  • best video i ever seen . GO on and dont stop and you will be 1 mill+ sub for shure!

    @saint9487@saint94873 жыл бұрын
  • Amazing video and content. You sir ate truly the latency king!

    @thorwaldjohanson2526@thorwaldjohanson25263 жыл бұрын
  • I love your videos, the content you make is really under appreciated especially with the hard work you put in it. It was interesting to see how also dpi affects the latency. I guess it doesn't "directly" affect latency but it seems like this because with lower dpi settings the movement you need to make with your mouse to see it move on display increases. Would love to see an in depth video on this topic.

    @ren49@ren493 жыл бұрын
  • incredibly thorough video, so well done!I'd be curious to see more results on different DPIs, at which DPI is the inflection point for decreased delay

    @goldenfalcon75@goldenfalcon753 жыл бұрын
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