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Ninja’s heart must’ve exploded when it was announced that Marlene wasn’t gonna be part of this but then Roberto was announced as show runner LMAOOO
I know full well he almost died
Marlene king was an executive producer so I guess she was apart of it somehow. Idk if they just gave her that title as an honor and she had little to do with this new reboot or maybe she actually did her job as an EP. but either way she was apart of this reboot sadly 😂
I shouted "NO!!" when his name came up while in the car on my way home from work and startled the heck out of my spouse lmfao
i knew we were doomed when they mentioned riverdale in the show, suddenly everything clicked into place onto my problems with the dialog and writing
I'm so tired that I thought you meant Ninja the twitch streamer when I first read this lmaooo smh at myself
"The bar is so low it's literally on the ground." Roberto: "We're going to need a shovel."
the bar is now in hell
More like a submarine 🤣
Someone get James Cameron on the line lol.
Lmaooo
HA! XD I'm so saving this
The idea of a child, who's a product of SA, being adopted and raised by a mother who was groomed and abused by a man that ultimately married her, is so fucked up and horrifying that I refuse to believe Roberto came up with it intentionally.
Honestly I bet he didn't even watch the original show, so he might have thought it was ok because of that.
@@goosegas2087actually, I feel like the reason he did it is because he watched the original show. Roberto is just a glorified fanfic writer. Makes sense that he would give the baby to Aria because in his mind Aria and Ezra were a perfect love story.
@@marielaausher God that's like writing fanfiction about Onion boy's books.
Sounds like seeds for a future reboot that’ll too miss the mark 😐 but also remember Aria’s dad messed w one of his students right?
Or perhaps he did remeber hes the guy that made stage play about Archie falling in love with a real world serial kller
My favorite thing about Roberto's shows is that he clearly has absolutely no idea how law enforcement works.
i'd like to know if he has any idea what abusers are like, too...i know that molesters usually have a typical age rage but we only see him assault one underage kid, but we also know he assaulted at least one other person...to me it seems like he wanted this cop to be evil so they threw everything at him so we'd really hate him and the cop aspect is plot convenience
@brynnie fresh sorry I don't really understand your point here. are you saying the cop isn't an abuser because he only SAed two kids, or that he was only made a child abuser to give him the ultimate evil villain cocktail?
@@registeredjopper I think they were trying to say that his villain arch doesn't make sense because usually molesters have a preferred age range, but this guy's story was never fleshed-out like he was a villain for the sake of having a villain
I still can't get over how perfect it was that all five mothers had daughters around the same age and go to the same school...like, really?
Their mom's were best friends in high school, they all got pregnant at the same time a few years later, and yet the first time the daughters really meet for the first time is in detention when they're like 15/16??
@@Racqualh weird as hell💀
@I'm So Tired true. I didn’t mention this but like I guess it’s a 50/50 chance they would all be girls though it just seems too coincidental to me🥲how cool would it have been to have a male Liar?
@@thapelosishi omg so true! I would love that, some male-female friendship representation!
@@Racqualh right? How did they not know each other before? Also, how come Imogen used to be best friends with Karen and Kelly and yet she never found out that her mom and their dad used to date back in high school?
I liked that they didn't make Imogens entire charachter about her being pregnant, but the way she was running around like crazy while being 8-9 months pregnant. They also seemed so chill every time they almost got murdered by a CREEPY killer, like WTF
I mean have you ever been so done with life you like wouldn't actually mind it?
@@girlsgokawaii if they are all depressed to the point of not caring if they get murdered, they wouldn't care enough to run around solving a mystery.
Precisely, they made sure to make Imogen a fleshed out character outside of her pregnancy, but it never really impacted her plot until her waters broke after fighting A. You'd think that Imogen would get some bed rest after being heavily pregnant, and let one of the other Liars fight him in her place.
@@astrocytes you don't have to be depressed to be done with living
@@girlsgokawaii LMAO!
imagine a 90's pretty little liars, with a colorful palet and messy vibes they should've stay in 99
Then it would be "cruel summer" I guess
I Know What You Did Last Summer
that's the only part of the story that was actually good and interesting
@@niallreid7664 also based on a book series that got dragged out
When i heard that Imogen was pregnant as a result of a r*pe, I felt sick. When i realised that they don't even address the psychological consequences that being made to carry out a pregnancy which is a result of r*pe would have on a person, I felt sicker.
@@zogwort1522 I assume because some comment sections have filters against certain words so if your comment includes one of those it wouldn’t be publicly visible. Or I guess it could have been because it’s just a triggering word I guess but that kind of applies to the topic in general not a single words so probably not.
@@zogwort1522people also do this as an effort to get around youtube censors (so the video can stay on the good side of the algorithm haha)
Who said that she was made to carry out her pregnancy? The child was even adopted later so it's not like she was supposed to keep it. Maybe... some people *don't* want to kill their children.
@@toade1583 aborting A FETUS isn't k-lling a child. know about pregnancy before commenting such stupid things. if you're MONTHS into a pregnancy, then yeah....people should know they won't abort......it's common sense....think.
@@toade1583 🙄🙄🙄🙄
I think having A go after the daughters who did nothing wrong is kind of stupid. I think having each of the girls really close with their moms and A’s goal to be to ruin those relationships through guiding the girls into discovering the truth of who their mothers really are would have been better. That way it’s actually targeting the moms who did what A is getting revenge for but also has the teens as the main characters. They could even have one of the girls actually find out what happened by herself early on and decide to try to throw the other girls off the trail to protect her mom then kill *that* girl off because she’s now an actual part of the initial awful act.
I totally like your idea it's way better
Genius, having the girls investigate instead is something only A would think to do.
But he does kind of do that, right? Getting Noa to report her mother, giving Faran the medical file about her scoliosis surgery
right??? targeting them like 15-20 years later for absolutely no reason, and all the victims he had were absolutely pointless.
Please write a tv show. This is incredible
My entire thing with this 'A' is that the whole point of A in the original was that she was an unseen villain. No one knew what A was capable of doing; that's why the liars were so paranoid of everything. By making A into a horror movie killer, they took the intrigue and mystery surrounding A. It just seems like they're out to kill instead of ruining the girls lives through their lies and secrets, which sucks!
Yes!!! Like when A sent the text "Look outside" and he was just standing in the middle of the field. I'm like does no one see this giant man🤣🤣🤣
the girls literally had nothing to do with why A was killing people 💀 he should’ve went after the moms period.
That, and I find it to be more terrifying (…in concept, lol) that A ended up being a high school girl. Of *course* she didn't kill as nearly as many people as this A did. Because 1) she ain't a horror movie serial killer, she's a villain personally there to terrorize a group of girls for her own specific reason, and 2) she's…in high school. Most of the time. With homework. When she gonna find the time? xD
That's what made A so effective in the original series. You never saw who it was, they'd be completely alone and get texts that reference where they were or what they just did. They get sent packages, they get literal notes embedded in their teeth. They find themselves in locations A sent them without them realizing. The reboot could've established higher stakes without creating this Michael Myers A figure making himself visible to them.
Also he just has no presence in this show. Whatever problems A had in the other show, it always felt like A was a genuine threat. That they were always watching everything and had all the cards lined up. A never felt like an afterthought even if the writing many times didn’t support it. It always felt like A was around. Here it just feels like they’re not here and that they barely matter. And now what is he supposed to do in following seasons when his goal has already been achieved? And also you expect me to believe that this guy was not only caught and held in the hospital, no one, not ONE, not even the POLICE, take off his mask and run investigations on who he is?
I don't think anyone's brought up the BIGGEST plot hole - where the hell was Angela's father when she was going through everything that made her suicidal?! He loves her enough to kill and torture people to avenge her memory, but not enough to intervene when she was actually alive? 🤔
Omg this!!! There's no way he didn't notice every student ignore her while he was working there. He really waited 22 years to get revenge on the mom's when he could've stopped them in the moment or at the very least suspended them after he noticed Angela had been bullied. And why does he look the same age as the parents when he's supposed to be at least 15 years older than them.
A typical Sunday dad duh
I haven't seen the show, but I feel like the guilt he might have felt from being absent and not helping her might motivate him to overcompensate and go after the people he holds responsible, in order to escape his own guilt. If it was well made in the show, that could work.
To be fair, that seems like a lot of depressed kids' parents. They're never there for the living child and then after they're gone start wondering what's happened and blaming everything and everyone (school, friends, significant others, cartoons or games, subcultures, the internetTM) and not themselves.
Omg frrr He's so ignorant it's like wtf just say u want power and control and let it be You could've stepped in. I'm sure he knew Rose wasn't all there but atp the family isn't exactly stable so welp🥲
Anyone else bothered by the fact the 5 liars aren’t actual *liars*? They project the recording of Karen in the theatre and when first questioned they admit to it and tell the truth. They discover their mums were somehow involved with Angela - first thing they do is go and ask them and have an open conversation. The only thing they “hide” is A texting them and that’s most likely cause it’s so irrelevant that they surely forgot.
Huh. I read it as the moms being the liars (constantly getting Angela into trouble by lying to her/others). They committed the “original sin” and A was going after the daughters to test their character in a “like mother like daughter?” way. I read the finale as the daughters being collateral damage for the sins of their mothers and not A wanting to punish them for something they did. Maybe that why it didn’t bother me that the main characters didn’t feel like mcs like it bothered Dylan. It kind of made sense to me that they were just five girls dealing with their everyday lives and suddenly having sprung all that A weirdness on them without explanation. Like the premise was to test if they were liars as well and not them being liars from the get go. I believe it was intentional to put them on the opposite side meaning not being believed although they were telling the truth.
They kind of were, though. Noa lied about her mom being the one on drugs, Tabby and Imogen's lie is probably the SA which is just hideous, Mouse lied about her meeting up with people like Steve, and Faran's scoliosis was probably supposed to be a big thing but then the writers decided to just resolve that story line
@@heyspeckle8782 So maybe it should be called pretty little secrets
I know how to fix it for at least one character, and it would fix some other plotpoints. - instead of Karen being killed, it was actually Kelly posing as her. Karen now feels insane guilt as she believes she caused her sisters death. Everyone thinks that Karen died and Kelly was the surviving twin. - Karen overhears people show gratitude that it was Karen who was killed and not Kelly, as she was the popular one. This adds to Karens guilt and she decides to hide that it's her, and she lives as Kelly because she feels that it's whats best for her parents, believing her parents feel the same way. - One of the liars, most likely Imogen, works it out because Karen says something in passing that only she and Imogen would know, causing Imogen to come to the conclusion that Kelly was actually the sister who was killed. - Imogen then confronts Karen about it, asking why she lied, and Karen breaks down and tells her everything, she then begs Imogen to keep the secret and Imogen promises to. She doesn't even tell the other liars. This somewhat mends their friendship. - Somehow, A finds out about Karen and Imogens secret and starts to torment her about it, eventually threatening to kill Imogens unborn baby if she doesn't tell Karen's parents. So she has to. - Karen's parents find out and her mother is devastated to find it was Kelly who died, but the Sheriff (who in my rewrite tries to be a good man out of guilt for what he did to Angela) loses it. He no longer cares about trying to atone for his sins and he gets violent. - Karen ends up completely despising Imogen and their friendship is now irreparable as Karen blames Imogen for the destruction of her family. This rewrite improves Imogens character, as she's smart now, she actually has a secret to keep, and it has consequences for her, it also makes her pregnancy relevant to the plot as she only tells Karen's secret to protect her baby, showing she is willing to completely destroy her friendship to protect it. It also makes A an genuine threat, since he actively threatens to harm Imogen, and as we see A kill people, we know that it's not just an empty threat, he will do it. It gives Karen more of a character instead of just "mean girl" it gives her some depth and explains why she acts the way she does, showing it to be more of a persona she makes as a way to feel better about herself. And it makes the Sheriff a better character, as he wants to be a good person to make up for assaulting Angela, but at the end, he is just an awful person and losing his daughter makes him return to that as he feels it will change things as things worked best for him when he was awful.
@@emmiebunny04 wait I love this though. get Roberto on the phone asap
Another thing I really dislike is how none of the girls have secrets! The whole point of PLL is that the girls are liars: they have a front they show to people but hide secrets they would do anything to hide bc it could ruin their lives. Literally NONE of the main characters in the reboot have secrets they're all disconnected like you said on the video!
the pregnancy and SA thing was the only one
@@braingirl9112 and noa’s mom being the one who actually took the drugs. I would’ve LOVED for A to at least exploit and black mail the girls with those secrets I felt like rhe didn’t Include it because there was so much going already and they only had a short amount of time. Hopefully in season 2 rhe do
If you ask me, we should have had all of the mothers be the stars of this show. The only time I was ever really emotionally invested was when we were talking about the moms and what happened to Angela Waters. It could have been a cool Yellowjacket like show where the mothers have to deal with the horrors of their past while trying to exist in the future. It would have also gotten away from the high school trope and not focused on the five girls as much. Then in season 2, you can open the door for their daughters to take center stage. The potential was there but of course, Roberto fucked it up again.
Yeah they did! Mouses whole life was a secret, noa lied about being a drug addict go protect her mom, imogen and tabby were hiding the fact they got raped! And the ballerina girl was hiding the fact that she had this painful results from the operation her mom made her take. Just more proof the people hate watching this show didn’t even give it a chance. Wish it wasn’t related to pll so it could have had a fair chance.
@YourLocalBlerdLC if it had been exactly the same everyone would have said they just copied the original. They took elements from the original and made it their own thing. This one had a horror/comedy aspect to it reminiscent of all the horror movies it paid tribute to. I don’t see how your mom making you take the fault for her drug habit isn’t life changing. I don’t think people even paid attention and it’s sad cause it’s actually a good plot. This show was more diverse and had a lot of tribute to both classic and modern horror that people are passing off as plain cheesy cause they weren’t even playing attention long enough to see what everything meant. I feel like this show will become more popular later on once people rediscover it and realize they judge it too harshly. The original is dated and I can’t watch it anymore it’s just too politically incorrect in every way and it never gets anywhere. This was a improvement.
Something minor but that bothers me a lot because it breaks the illusion even further is that, not only Imogen's pregnancy doesn't play anything in her character or storyline, but it doesn't seem to be there physically. Like, she doesn't move like someone who's several months with a really big tummy. She doesn't seem to have any inconveniences or changes in life or anything. It's so obvious that the actress has a pillow or something to simulate the pregnancy!
The girls not having any chemistry is completely unforgivable given their mothers were BEST FRIENDS IN HIGHSCHOOL AND GREW UP IN THE SAME CITY CLOSE ENOUGH TO GO TO THE SAME SCHOOL! They woulda grown up together. Especially since its not like the moms became strangers they are completely aware of each other to the point where they have regular meetings like wtf
after THIS villian reveal I think we all owe Cece Drake an apology...I lowkey wanna see the OG PLL again edit: I just noticed that Imogen can run like hell despite being VERY pregnant...they really didn't think this through
It was a nice reveal, it made sense.
@@Elfangel85 no it did not
it's not physically possible for a pregnant person to move like she can...let alone someone literally 9 months pregnant who is in active labor lmao i was noticing how she moved so normal and didn't look like she was pregnant even before they put her in ridiculous situations
@@brynniefresh9746 maybe not 9 months pregnant, but pregnant people can certainly run. I know moms who were runners before pregnancy and they continued running during their pregnancy. I also know equestrians who kept riding up until they couldn’t do it comfortably (usually around 6 months). Being pregnant doesn’t mean you stop being active. Women who lift usually continue to life while pregnant too. Hell we have olympians who continue their sport while pregnant so that after birth they remain in top form.
@@BeccasaurousRex270 sure, but no one is lifting, sprinting, or doing any Olympian-style sports while 9 months pregnant. even 6-7 months is pushing it for that kind of physical activity, but 9 months is absolutely not happening.
You hit the nail directly on the head with regards to why I hate Aguirre-Sacasa. He is the literal embodiment of Hollywood nepotism - a smug, talentless hack who ruins everything he touches yet somehow still manages to get his greasy paws on high-profile properties.
This video and Super Eyepatch Wolf's video on Riverdale have definitely made me hate Sacasa. It's baffling and insulting how keeps getting work... He must have a lot of blackmail on the right people
The reboot showed that Tabby rightfully found Wes' uncomfortable advances towards her to be creepy, so I thought that they'd learned their lesson from Aria and Ezra. But then they ruined it with a throwaway line about them adopting Imogen's baby, and that's supposed to be a happy ending?! 🤦🏽♀️
Unlike Erza at least wes had the right mind to back off
I was so upset they were the couple they chose to shoutout when they had already acknowledged the creepiness of and ezra-aged man flirting with a 15/16 year old
THANK YOU I NOTICED THAT TOO. like a huge part of the plot was how sexual assault and grooming is bad and should be taken seriously, but then they mention how cute ezria is like HUH ??? just threw away all the progress the pll universe made
@@angelbabe555 that's a complete one 80 like what
Yeah like they literally could have shouted out anyone else-Hannah and Caleb or Spencer and Toby-and I would have been thrilled
For all the bad relationships in PLL the love interests were interesting at least. Toby is a weirdo, Caleb is an orphaned hacker, Maya is cool af, Ezra is... a creep. But the love interests in Original Sin ?? I could honestly not tell them apart. They are SO bland to the point that it made me mad to see those relationships because I couldn't care, there's no sparks, no reasons for the relationships to even exist. The boyfriends are just there... the only one I remember is Chip because he's fucking trash.
This! They all have the same personality and brought nothing to the show why were they even there???
True. And for the most part, the LI actually were involved in the actual plot. Other then just their connections to the girls. Toby was one of the people Alison was blackmailing, Caleb helped the girls actively in the search for their friend, and Maya was living in the Alison house. And Ezra was intertwined with the core of that show. In this show, the LI are just not that involved. Except for being the love interests, they don't have much going on.
I'm just gonna say it, Imogens mother is AWFUL. Not just to Angela, but to her own daughter. She knows that a) Imogen is pregnant, and must have an idea of how that happened, b) Imogen would be the one to find her, and c) that this amount of stress could cause a MISCARRIAGE. She didn't take her life because she was suicidal, but bc she felt guilty for what she did. And now her daughter has to deal with the consequences on their own. I hate her so much.
i,, cannot believe tabby’s friend is telling her about a traumatic thing that literally just happened and her response is to just word associate like “bucket? like from carrie? oh, a mask? like from texas chainsaw massacre???” LIKE LITERALLY JUST NAMING OBJECTS THAT WERE IN MOVIES, LIKE NO TABBY NOT A MASK LIKE FROM TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE, A MASK LIKE FROM LIFE. OUTDOORS. STOP INTERRUPTING WITH YOUR NONSENSE
They really over did it with Tabby I can't stand it
How should we show that Tabby is an aspiring filmmaker, and passionate about movies? I know, let's have her randomly reference a famous movie quote every five minutes, that won't get old quickly!
Creators definitely wanted that "Scream" vibe and tried to force it through horror movie references but it turned out meh
Let's not also forget that hilarious scene in episode 2 where she speaks two movie references in one sentence... While wearing a shirt with a FILM REEL..
@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 YES! I was cringing hard at this moment. Okay, that shirt says something film festival, BUT STILL!
By the end of episode 1 I was already sick of her character quirk. I kept groaning every single time she opened her mouth and me and my friend would talk over her dialogue.
😂😂😂right it was so annoying. I rolled my eyes almost everytime she spoke
That Tabby montage at 40:00 was BRUTAL.
Yes Yes It Was🤣🤣🤣
I wanted to go total Inception and jump off the window.
Seriously, I felt my soul die a little after every moment of that monstrosity
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imagine the show focused on the mothers uncovering the mystery, that would have been such a cool take on the story with an adult perspective
...No, it would NOT have for this TEEN soap opera.
@@marlonmoncrieffe0728 well if it was on the mothers then it obviously wouldn’t be a teen soap opera now would it?
That's not pretty little liars then, @@kiki123097.
@@marlonmoncrieffe0728 and neither is this remake/sequel but didn’t stop them from making it. when it comes to remakes doesn’t have to be in the exact formula as original.
🤨 ...Yes, this spin-off IS pretty little liars, @@kiki123097 .
Something that Friendly space ninja forgot to mention is HOW THE HELL does cole sprouse exist in this show when they are in the same world as Riverdale?! At 1:00:28, Tabby mentions cole sprouse’s name
Cole Sprouse is Jughead’s evil vampire doppelganger, duh
@@rat_enthusiast dude we have like 3 jugheads already in riverdale, we certainly do not need more
i can't believe sweet life of zach and cody is canon in the riverdale universe
Did anyone else find it weird that Roberto, Cole's boss, had a character refer to him as a heartthrob in his own show?
Didn't the show runner said that Riverdale is not in the same universe? That it was just a name drop and Easter egg
my favorite character by far was faran. she felt the most real and i really appreciate when she embraced her natural hair which is something we don’t see often in teen dramas. even the actress said when a character goes under a makeover it’s usually someone whose curly hair is straightened and glasses taken off. :/
Seconded, Faran was one of the most relatable characters to me, and I loved how her storyline led to her expressing her authentic self, and embracing her natural hair, defying her mother's rigid standards.
Faran was my favorite too! Her character had the most sense & I think her performance was one of the best on the show by a country mile.
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Throughout the season I found myself thinking that Faran was the most interesting of the five. Kudos to the actress cos she really did well. I still liked the others, including Karen's sister (though maybe Tabby the least).
Yes I agree, Farah was one of my favorite characters.
Intro - 0:00 Spoilers - 0:24 PLL is a terrible franchise - 2:19 PLL: OG Sin is amazing - 8:44 ❗Warning! - 9:27 Breakdown - 9:56 A as a villain of the show - 16:14 "This happens every 10 min" - 18:10 Show directing - 19:14 The characters - 22:37 🔸Imogen - 25:13 🔸Mouse - 37:20 🔸Noa - 39:19 🔸Tabby - 41:25, but then jump to 45:26 if you wanna skip the 3 min clips with just her droping movies names 🔸Faran - 46:06 🔸Main mean girl - 47:09 🔸Sheriff Beasley - 48:10 🔸Chip - 49:40 "What" - 50:33 Fillers Storylines - 53:46 List of Useless Plot Points - 55:34 PLL: OG Sin should be a movie - 58:19 The ending - 1:01:10 "I don't believe him [Roberto Sacasa] " - 1:11:06
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@@notoriouslysky you're welocome😊
"He's like a teen Cole Sprouse" so they exist in a world with an actor who looks like jughead, like Veronica wouldn't have brought that up.
true and they could have used that as a throwback reference to Suite Life, when Ashley Tisdale’s character is auditioning as Sharpay Evans for the production of High School Musical and everyone is like “you look nothing like her so you probably won’t get the part” even though Ashley Tisdale also played Sharpay in the original HSM. they could have been like “hahaha, guys Jughead kinda looks like this actor from that kids show Suite Life of Zack & Cody/On Deck” and someone will be like “nah, no way, i don’t see it”. but no!!! showrunners and writers these days don’t know what they’re doing.
This whole video happened, and I only made a sound out loud at that line.
okay so it never made sense to me how all the moms were friends in high school, who all had *_GIRLS_* who all so happen to be the *exact same age* but were literally never friends until they met in detention 💀💀💀
can someone help me make any sense of this?? or am i missing something
Facts lmaooo
was completely shocked when there were two black people on the screen at the same time, who were not there to be the villain, and were also not killed off brutally and/or unnecessarily.
Yeah I felt the same way
me too!!
It's kinda sad in a way isn't it? I was too.
Maybe cuz its not the cw? Not that they're the only ones doing that but maybe...? From what i understand from ninja's videos its more of a cw thing than a acostsa-whats-his-name thing
@@lexoulex3793 Roberto is better at representing black people than the CW.. That's like being the tallest dwarf tho
The reason why the original series was fun was because even though not that many people died, the stakes were extremely high. A was all about psychological abuse and A was extremely smart and cunning, no matter who they were. The fact that there were so many questions and inconsistencies about Alison always made you think that there would be a possibility that Allison was A (up until it was revealed Alison was really alive). Alison on her own as a mean girl/villain/victim was so interesting because she had dirt on EVERYBODY like the entirety of Rosewood was AFRAID of a TEENAGER, especially the ADULTS, making it extremely difficult to find a person who did not have motive to get rid of her thus there being so many A possibilities. The original was full of drama that somehow always lead back to alison. Oh your dad cheated on your mom? Guess what Alisons mother (later revealed it was actually her aunt I believe) was the woman he cheated with. Like no matter how you looked at it, everything had to do with alison. The reason Mona first became A was because of Alison, the reason charlotte became A was because of Alison, heck even spencers evil twin had something to do with Alison because it turns out spencer and her evil twin were actually the child of alisons aunt. Combine that with the fact that A always had stuff to blackmail the girls with to do all these crazy things and to even go as far as to hide bodies etc. was insane. Oh and don't forget that A actually tried to murder the liars (or at least harm them) like trying to run over hanna (I don't get how hanna ever forgave mona for that tbh). AND THE DOLLHOUSE?!?!!? Iconic, but so extremely insane and messed up on an emotional level. Sure half of the plots were loose ends but still, it was interesting and in the moment itself you could make sense of it we just never came back to half of the plot points. The liars as characters but also as a group of friends were interessting too because they were friends because of allison and they had to stay together because of allison and A, even though when alison was gone and A wasn't there yet, they stopped talking which made it very clear they were never really friends by choice but because Alison said so. On their own they all had their struggles but they were revealed when the time was right and a lot of the time they were part of the plot of A or again tied back to alison directly. Did Marlene mess up the A reveals after Mona by trying to outsmart the viewers instead of making Aria or Wren A like people suspected? Absolutely, but at least in the first 2 seasons she knew what she was doing and overall it was enjoyable to watch even with some fillers (which made sense because we were doing 20 episodes per season at that time so it needed fillers). Original sin is boring and feels extremely pointless. Besides the actual killings, there are no stakes. No mindfucks, nothing (sure there were a couple of texts but no where near the type of texts the original A send the liars). Personally that's what I liked most about the original A and they just thought they could replace it with brutal murder. Original sin also does not have a real Alison, who connected everything and who kept the whole mystery part going, nor do they have a spencer, who conctributed the most to solving who A was (actually found out it was Mona the first time) and who does their best to outsmart A (and succeeds a couple of times). Without those type of characters pretty little liars is boring and dumb, which is exactly what happened here. Also the fact that they just revealed who A was at the end of season 1 (sure the masked guy got away but his identity was revealed either way)?!?! Yeah I don't need a season 2 thank you I already know who it is now so let's just move on and forget it happened.
This comment needs its own video because it's so brilliant and perfectly summarizes why OR sucks. It exists solely to have the PLL name attached to it, it has none of the charm and desire to intrigue that the original did
what do you wanna bet they have a story where archie gets plastic surgery and it's revealed some other dude is archie that we meet later lmaooo
What you said is what I exactly how i feel i feel like people only like this reboot because it's a slasher if it didn't have the slasher vides this show would get a lower rating also people need to stop saying its better than orginal we only have season one and who knows it could easily go down hill like the other spin-offs
I watched a video about how Ali was A sometimes when she was dead and after she came back, and it made SO much sense because Everytime she was mad at someone, A took it out on that person. I wish I could remember what video it was but it was like an hour and completely convinced me
alison is easily my favorite mean girl. like you said, she had layers. she wasn’t nice by any means but she would say slightly mean things with the intent of being nice that adds so much to her character. karen just seemed like a mean girl in a disney show more than anything… you can’t outdo the doer and alison was a great mean girl. when it comes to the bond of the original group, i like when spencer says “we’re not the ‘let’s go see and movie and have dinner’ type friends, we’re a the ‘i saved your life now you save mine’ type friends” in season 6 because it think it’s an accurate representation of their friendship. also yeah, tabby is so irritating. farran and noah are my favorites too.
What also bothered me so much about this show was how FORCED the idea of A was. It didn't make any sense why the villain would give themselves that name. The entire reason why it worked in the original show is because it played with the idea that it might be Alison, someone who would have known all their secrets but is missing/dead. The name played into the intrigue. In Original Sin, there was no reason why they would go by A, and the "liars" (they aren't liars so what's the point of even calling them that) DIDN'T QUESTION IT. Okay, so "A" is Angela/Archie, but they have no tie to those people so why does it matter? And if the principle was the one masterminding it all, why would he chose A? Maybe they saw news coverage of the ACTUAL A and decided to piggyback. It was just a cheap shot at riding on the original A.
And if they looked up Radley Sanitarium and Rosewood, how did it not come up with articles of the original A and the girls (especially with the Aria adoption at the end). The Radley is literally owned by Ashley Marin.
Also every time they mentioned A in the show it felt really off to me because this show is actually very compelling by itself and whenever they made us as the audience remember it was a Pretty Little Liars spin-off it felt really forced? They probably could've lost the PLL references altogether and just had the show be called Original Sin and would've been just as good if not better.
I feel like it should have been A for Anonymous.
@@steviesmith814 exactly. they mentioned rosewood as if all the events of pll wouldn't be on the news. mentioning rosewood or any of the characters from the original pll was a weird choice.
As soon as I heard him say "The creator of Riverdale" I was like "AHHHH NOOOOOO, AHHHH NOOOOO" I don't even need to watch more than 1 episode of the show to know this review is 100% legit truth lol
They literally have a perfect reboot though: stick to the plot of the books, which actually have a compelling mystery and interesting characters. All I can think of is what a waste it is.
Seriously what is up with producers NOT wanting to adapt the perfectly good books they have ? First the Witcher, now PPL, like come on !
I genuinely feel sorry for the books' fandom tbh for having to deal with what is essentially "in name only" adaptions that vastly overshadow the original. edit: by vastly overshadow I mean in popularity and noteriety, not in quality.
@@shanouboubou haven't read the Witcher books, what's wrong with the adaptation? I'm an avid reader and there are few exceptions to 'the book was better' but novels and television require different things generally.
@@mzmendy Everything is wrong with the Witcher - costumes, battle scenes, characters, plot. And this mess began with the first episode (I watched it with a friend who haven't read the books and I had to explain what was going on, while (at times) being confused myself - e.g. why was Renfri telling Geralt prophecy(?) about Ciri). And the second season is not even an adaptation anymore, because the plot is 90% different (the most egregious example is they killed Eskel because of the "leshy infection", which never happens in the books, the whole "leshy" plotline is show-only) I'm not good at cohesive longposts, but I will propagandize how awful this show is every chance I get. There are great videos about show's flaws though. I really recommend "How to fail at adaptation - the Witcher"
See I get that sentiment, but the problem is that PLL is a mystery. The tension and intrigue come from watching the characters try to solve the case and the twists and clues leading up to the reveal. With the books having been out for years it would take away the stakes as the audience already knows what’s going to happen. Sure they’ll be some people who haven’t seen it and will be surprised but when you can just Google to find out what really happens it takes a lot out of things. I don’t blame them for not wanting to adapt a mystery which already exists.
The moment Marlene strayed from Sara Shepard’s writing is the moment PLL became bad. Episode 1 season 1 of PLL is one of the greatest Pilots in tv history
In the book series, Alison kills Courtney on a Thursday night after 7th grade. Courtney died in 2002, meaning The Liars were born in 1989 in the books, and Aria returned from Iceland in 2005 at age 16. I do wish Marlene honored the books more---because the liars in the show were aged down, and the timeline became an absolute mess.
You honestly need to watch more tv shows
@@smwatertasteslikewater PLL DOES have an amazing pilot episode though. This isn't to say that show itself is amazing, but the pilot does what a pilot should do, and does it well
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I honestly liked the original A. It made sense that the original A didnt go around killing people, she was still just a teenage girl. She didnt have the same strength of an adult man. Original A also just made more sense to me, and the reveal was better (i meant Mona and Cece), cause they were actual characters we knew they werent a random principal we saw in rare occasions. I even dare say thay i liked the twin reveal better. The fact that it was predictable and it was the most popular theory before the reveal means that it made sense. While the principal and his random son was too out of nowhere. And i didnt even care about this new A. I cared more about the side plots
i will say i didn't have as much problems with cece being A as i did with the trans storyline and how it was lead up to, like it made no sense why she'd be dressing up like a guy with black hair like what about that makes sense for the character of cece we know...most of it made sense but it was the obvious pulling one over on the fans that kills it every time
I’m surprised they hadn’t added the twist that aria has a secret twin named Katy Keene. I agree that Bailee is a very good actress and that the show isn’t doing anything to help her out in that department other than the exposure of being part of a franchise like PLL or Riverdale. I think the problem with the HBO reboots is that they are trying to both fix the issues of the past shows while trying to stay relevant and current, but they are being written and created by people who have no idea how to tackle these issue. It’s all style, no substance.
no please i dont want aria twin reval
Don't worry. It's RAS, he'll make it happen
@@jellogirl2010 knowing thats a possiblity is kinda scary way scarier then any jumpscare this show tried to pull off
she was amazing playing callie's sister in the fosters too
Mouse's storyline was so fucking baffling to me. It is almost like the showrunners wanted to denounce grooming, but because they planned on framing Aria and Ezra as the "perfect couple" (barf) at the end, they had to make her grooming storyline absolutely insane so that it looked nothing like actual cases of grooming. It would have made so much more sense for the dude she was talking to online to 1) pretend to be her bio dad, or 2) catfish her and/or groom her in the way that predators do in real life. It doesn't help that they hardly bother to explain the entire far-fetched plot that they did end up giving her.
i was SO CONFUSED with her storyline? like why did she meet a grown man online? like the fact that she even was in the same car as him and even went to his house? like realistically speaking something could've happened worse but no they made it look like nothing happened, i also assumed when her mums found her at his place they would think something bad was happening to her? like the whole storyline with that man was so confusing.
I honestly thought he was her bio dad and she was hiding the fact that he was meeting with him to her mothers but at the end i was so confused, i mean why does she meet a grown man online?
@@nathaliiie16 exactly!! it would kinda make more sense if that was her bio dad but they ended up being a completely different story and the way i thought he had some sort of fetish💀...it just wouldn't make sense in the real world
@@starr2870 I was very confused about Mouse’s storyline for like two episodes and then when they explained what she was doing with that man… I was like ‘this is so bloody weird’ like why?
out of topic but I love your pfp ❤️
I think I felt my soul withering as Tabby's montage of references played
Roberto really wants us to know he’s watched lots of movies, but I have never been convinced he knows what’s good about any of them.
imogen having a storyline focused on proving her mom's death wasn't a suicide only to find out that it was makes sense to me. i saw her investigation as nothing more than her response to grief. maybe RAS didn't write it as such and he certainly didn't do this plot its justice, but in the context of character's journey i actually apprecciate this arc. for a better approach of this same premise, i recommend 'the truth about keeping secrets' by savannah brown (please check trigger warnings first)
I agree! I totally was like, that would make total sense to me, especially because her mom was all she had and it would be devastating that her mom left her. I think they bungled it and that’s why it comes across as so pointless and like they forgot to tie that plot line up. Bad writing as per usual for Robertoe.
@@marymargaretmakes exactly! imogen being by herself in the world without her mom and trying to find reasoning for her suicide after she especially promised her that she would never leave her alone in that situation could have been such a heartbreaking and beautiful story. another great example of an investigation about a death that comes to a more human and simple explanation than it was thought initially can be found in the first season of nancy drew. it was done magnificently and tv show writers should take note that simple narratives can as and maybe even more complex and moving than messy ones if done right. anyway the idea was solid but the execution was lacking which unfortunately is not surprising for ras
It makes sense to me why Imogen would want to try to prove that her mother didn't kill herself, but the show spent way too much time on it, especially when they included her dad confirming Imogen's beliefs.
Agreed. I look at it like Imogen's going through the 5 stages of grief. First was denial, then anger mixed with bargaining and depression, and finally acceptance at the end. It could've been executed better definitely. But I think it was well thought out. Also I agree with the above comment 👆🏾about bringing her father in saying it wasn't a $uiçide was kinda a backtrack on this plot.
@@KatrinaHaffner Yes this is what I wanted to say, the dad explained the mom’s depression issues and then backtracked and agreed with Imogen…..and for what?
You’re right about the series being ugly- but what i hate the most is their girls SCHOOL. Everytime we see the schools it’s grimy, dirty, dark and filled with yellow light in hallways but then seems bright outside? I get it’s going for the horror element, and maybe it’s meant to be symbolic, but it just made it even harder to see everything and made the school seem unhygienic and gross ( which… i guess makes sense if the janitors gone ). But, it was just a weird choice aesthetically to me cause it felt so disjointed and bad
yes and all the shadows and bad lighting makes the school feel so small and compact. confuses me because it’s implied that it’s the only high school in the town. and again it could be metaphorical or just the choice for the show but it just bothered me watching
I think this is the only way Roberto can think of to convey “working class.”
@@manderly33 Damn, you said the quiet part out loud 👏
The liars' costuming made them look so dumpy and lacking in style too
Was the ballet academy at THAT school and not just a separate institution, @@BooksRebound ?
The potential of the Karen/Kelly swap was RIGHT THERE for them 🙄
IMO the fact that Aria and Ezra has been romanticized to this extent, a relationship that is truly disgusting, makes me sick
How is their relationship disusting?
@@DavidKen878 she was a minor and he started grooming her
@@SmolGriffith He didn't groom her.
@@DavidKen878 yes he did he dated a minor before she was an adult and up to the point where she was that makes him a groomer
@@SmolGriffith No. Dating a minor doesn't automatically mean you're grooming them. It's more complex than that.
I think Amanda the Jedi said that in her video, but this show looks so weirdly out of time, like, you could look at it and think it takes place in the 80s, but everyone has smartphones and social media and stuff. Also, when naming the main five, Roberto's inner teenage fanfic writer probably took over his body
Same with riverdale
@@Jessica.Shawnte Sabrina too
...Why is the time feel a bad thing though?
that confused me so much, i had no idea what time period the show takes place in or what was going on
The fact that they r still so insistent on Ezra and aria being a “healthy” couple is disgusting and disappointing. You’d think at this point they’d listen to the criticism. But no lol
Maybe there will be a plot twist in season two where Imogen finds out about their past and decides to keep the baby 🤔🙈
And I think that having Hanna and Caleb be in this line would have made a lot more sense. They seemed like the two most likely to want a child.
@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 true I vaguely remember a storyline with a desperate Hannah wanting to get pregnant
One of the actresses in the show have boyfriend who is 12 years older than her. Its kinda weird that women talk about those couples being bad but then turn around be part of such couples lol.
Honestly hope they kill Ezra off in season 2 and have Aria take a mentor role
The thing w/ the movie references is that SOME of them actually could work. The one about Carrie or saying something is "an amnityville level of weird" feels natural enough and like something someone would say. But hearing someone wore a mask and immediately name dropping TCM? As if masks aren't a common trope in general?
Let’s face it, Roberto just wanted to reset Riverdale to season 1 without all of the crazy shit he came up with so he used this property. It’s not a mistake that the A storyline is on the background of all these “teen dramas”, it’s by design
the way tabby could’ve been my favorite character if not for the constant movie references. it felt unnatural at times but despite that i actually enjoyed her character arc and how she opened up to imogen.
Ditto, Tabby's movie references felt extremely forced at times, surely there were more natural ways of conveying how passionate she was about films than constantly referencing movie quotes. Hopefully they'll explore Mouse's backstory more in Season 2.
She was spencer 2.0 but instead of literature quotes it was horror movie references, it felt so unnatural lmao
Dude, I do this all the time, exactly like Tabby. It sounds natural.
it’s so hard cause it’s like… i love movies. my friends love movies. i am in highschool. i have friends who are literally in film classes. NO ONE SPEAKS LIKE THAT. no one in their right mind throws references around like that, and it speaks volumes that no writer ever was like “ should we dial this back a little?”
also, her dialog sounds like jugheads in riverdale with how much he references movies. makes sense with you know who working in production
Such a shame that there's thousands of new passionate showrunners that would revive these franchises because they are passionate about them and actually love them. But instead they give them to the biggest L they could find. Such a shame.
This show runner has to be the worst of them all. Riverdale, Sabrina and PLL original sin would be good shows if it wasn't for him. They really need to cancel his career lol
“A face only a mother could love” is literally a Phantom of the Opera line
I think that for as much as Marlene King stretched out the smallest mysteries for way to long, I think PLL Original Sin has the opposite problem of not giving the mysteries any room to grow or develop. For example the deaths of the janitor and Tyler could have become solid leads for the girls to investigate if we weren't rushing to get the whole mystery solved in one season. Also we could have seen Imogen actually investigate instead of miraculously just guess in the right direction. When I was watching the show one of the only plotlines that held weight and involved genuine investigation was the assault plotline with Imogen and Tabby and I think if the show was paced slower the solving of that mystery could have been the season finale that gave us a sense of closure that was then ruined by whatever A did next. In particular I think the show would have been better if the girls didn't actually know whether Karen jumped or was pushed when she died (for one it would explain why they were so weirdly chill about a psycho killer on the loose and then the girls could be wrestling with their own guilty conscious and complicity as well building some more interesting parallels between the girls and the moms) and then maybe it's after a finale where Chip is revealed that they find out Karen was actually murdered, giving a better set up for a season 2.
I knew the riverdale writers were involved in this when Tabby started talking about feminism in her film class the exact same way Veronica does and by this I mean that she justs says things like "so I can direct this because I'm a WOMAN?" instead of actually talking about the rampant sexism in the film industry
when they introduced the entire twin-swapping aspect with kelly and karen (especially when faran became suspicious of kelly) i was sure they were finally committed to the twin plot from the books and do it justice but no. It was the only time i was genuinely intrigued by the plotand i was excited thinking readers of the books would have a piece of the puzzle before anyone else but no. It wasn't even a book easter egg, it was just a huge wast of time.
Me too!
one of the best parts of the series is seeing karen and kelly be evil together...then it's gone so quickly it's like they had no idea what was going to be good and what wasn't so they couldn't decide a direction to take it...kelly wanting to pretend to be her sister cause her sister was so loved is interesting but I'm sure they'll never talk about it again lmao
Okay so I recently found out that my High School drama teacher actually taught Shay Mitchell in college. She was telling me over coffee that Mitchell wowed her most not on PLL but when she did this class project that had her performing Romeo and Juliet on a subway (she said something along the lines of "That girl has a classical beauty, she was born for prose", something like that). She even said that she watched PLL even though she couldn't stand the show lol. I mentioned that they were making a spin off show and she just laughed and said that she might honestly tune in but when I told her Mitchell wasn't appearing she honestly seemed dissapointed. IDK i think it's very amusing to imagine my fifty something theatre teacher, who is very much a mix of off broadway drama director and Ms. Darbis from High School Musical watching PLL. I mean good for her for supporting former students lol
Has your drama teacher seen YOU because Shay Mitchell has a recurring role on that show during the first season.
I said this on Amanda 's video, but wouldn't it have made a little more sense if the 'real' A was Angela's mother? Rose, or something I think her name was. Like, motive wise in a 'you killed my daughter so now I'm going to kill your daughters' kinda way, instead of the father just randomly being revealed. Not that it would have saved anything in this trainwreck. I will say that if I found a 20+ year old flyer in my mum's room, I'd also find it a little sus, like why the heck was she holding onto it.
the dialogue was actually pretty believable for me as a teen - far more than riverdale. it felt like sometimes they took comments from tiktok and ran with it but they weren’t too far off.
it’s hard cause sometimes it sounds like the things kids say online but not often out loud if that makes sense ( mainly just when they use certain slang or aave in unnatural ways)
More reasons to hate TikTok and the dumb advertisements telling me to download, but in my head I say,"Fuck you TikTok."
People don't speak IRL as they write comments online, thankfully
Yeah the Queen just died but more importantly friendly space ninja just posted
exactly
I read a few interviews where Roberto admits that they didn't decide a bunch of important things until mid-season. Which is probably why nothing makes sense. Big shocker there.
the thing is alison was a mean girl written by a woman and karen was a mean girl written by a man
Bailee Madison is such a brilliant actress, the first show I ever saw her in was this episodic horror show where she played this little girl with a creepy doll, had 10 year old me absolutely terrified and everything Ive seen her in since makes her shine, I can’t believe this show managed to make me want to stop watching her act because her character was so insufferable and inconsistent! Props to her and the rest of the cast tho, they carried the show with their charisma, even with the shaky writing and the many many MANY out of place quotes and references I found the characters compelling and I got attached to them pretty quickly. The storylines… no! edit: I found the show, it’s RL Stine’s The Haunting Hour: The Series and apparently Dylan Minnette was also in it, it’s probably not that good but I remember rewatching Bailee’s episodes religiously lol
The Haunting Hour is WAY better than PLL Original Sin imo lol
I've loved her since I saw her in Bridge to Terabithia BUT the stand out for me was when she was on Wizard's of Waverly Place, and she acted like Max SO perfectly. It was amazing.
Her episode on Haunting hour made me stop playing with my American girl doll when I watched it lol
Omg I remember being sooooo terrified by that show when I was 8. It’s probably the reason why I don’t watch horror lmao 😂😂.
i recall her most from once upon a time lmao another not great show but still way better than this
I just watched 4 hours of an Australian guy explaining PLL to me so I'm kind of an expert on it.
Mikes mic slayed
He's my favorite 🖤✌️
One thing I DO want to explain was that Faran’s father being arrested was because Tom Beasley was abusing his authority as a police officer after Faran threatened him. And it was made into a big deal because well, they’re black in America. So that’s why Faran immediately goes to Kelly and her mom and tells them everything.
I kind of feel bad for Marlene now cuz you could argue that she probably would have done the same thing with pretty Little liars OR she would have actually rised to the challenge. Having learned from her past mistakes, taken into account the fan reaction and disappointment and improved on her past writings. Instead they handed pll off to a guy who literally has had so many failed works but is allowed the privilege of failure.
the thing about tv is that if they get viewers and interaction it's seen as a success...so upsetting people is kind of a good thing, and so i think that's why they keep letting roberto make shows, and it's why they did that same shit with marlene
@@brynniefresh9746 she Better Write Riverdale Dam dom
I just want someone to explain Minnie's storylines. The (SPOILER!) being-stolen-by-her-surrogate-birth-mom thing and the pretending-to-be-missing-little-kids-to-help-grieving-parents thing? Just... What the fuck *was* all that??!!
there’s a season 2 so they will probably be developed later
@@trinblack I hope so! It seemed intriguing. I wanna know more about it
@@trinblack it's Roberto so it'll probably be forgotten by episode 3 of next season
@@girlsgokawaii this is my biggest fear
Tabby's character could have been perfect for this show. Maybe she could have worked if she were more whimsical and fun, almost a comic relief. Didn't take herself or others seriously. Until the events of the show forced her to grow up, face reality, and her mother's secrets. Her outfits could be inspired by popular film costumes with her own flair. It would be a way to showcase her personality, as well as her transformation. How she views herself through the characters she picks to emulate. Having a contrast between the characters she wishes she was more like versus who she actually is. Play with her dialogue by having a few of her movie dialogue lines foreshadow or misdirect the audience. In a way where she misjudged a person or situation. This show had so much potential. Hopefully, season two is better.
Hi! That’s an interesting concept for a character, and I like how you combine the character’s interest and how it would affect her character development throughout the show. I wonder if there’s a tv show/movie/book that has a character like that. Thank you for sharing!
Lol you still have hope?
@@MajinLordVegeta not for me, for the people who watched and actually liked it.
Tbh I feel like Faran was like a comedic relief and it works. I don’t know if you caught when the girls were using the ouija board, Tabby was the one who moved the piece and tried not to laugh when everybody started freaking out. To me that showed this funny side of her I want to see more of. I think Tabby is going to be more open in season 2. S1 she’s more closed off because of her trauma. Overtime you could see those walls she built slowly fall as she started to grow closer w/ the girls. Theres so much room for character development and hopefully the writers get it. Its only the first season. I like your idea on using the film dialogue to foreshadow, that would add something to the show the og pll has never done. The potential is there and I truly like it.
What you’re saying almost reminds me of Abed in Community. His obsession with films and tv shows starts out as just a gimmick, but eventually is turned into a way of fleshing out his character by demonstrating that he struggles to relate to people, and thus uses his understanding of characters in media as a crutch to lean on when he doesn’t understand the actual people he is interacting with. So it became something that was explored in a really purposeful way and that taught us more about Abed than just “he knows things about movies.” Right now, all that Tabby’s obsession teaches us is “she knows things about movies,” and shows us nothing about who she actually is.
RAS is to this channel as Micheal Eisner is to Defunctland. He doesn’t always come up, but when he does, you can feel the disdain and know it’s gonna be a good video
Michael Eisner actually did some legit good stuff, though, before Disney started struggling and everything went to hell. Unlike RAS.
i completely understand your intro statement. i have this weird attachment to the original series, purely because of the concept and aesthetic. alison was this mystical figure, A was a very intriguing villain, the girls actually had personalities, the show was entertaining and sassy, it was awesome. it has bad writing, but i dont think the show is inherently bad.
That whole "I was the secret father of the girl and my deformed son is the killer" seems familiar as fuck but I just can't remember what movie/series/franchise it reminds me of
NO FR I KNOW I HAVE HEARD THAT SOMEWHERE
It is giving jason vorheas where his mom was the og killer
I kind of watched a movie like this but the opposite. A sorority sister died from alcohol overdose cause her sisters forced her to drink and her secret daughter came back to get revenge on the sorority 20 years later.
Black Christmas. The movie you are thinking of is Black Christmas, although, if memory serves, the deformed son was the father but that was the first thing that came to my mind. There is another movie that the name escapes me where a girl was relentlessly bullied and ended up dying because of it (was all an accident, she fell out of the window trying to escape her bullies) and her brother was the one who was killing everyone who witnessed her death and pretended it didn't happen. Wow... that MAY just be the one you are talking about but I can't remember the name of it because I never heard of it before I saw the review of it and can't be bothered to dig it up. It also had a secret father in it too where the death of his daughter was SUPER traumatic. Now that I think about it... that's actually a pretty common trope in slasher films/television series.
The deformed son part reminds me of house of wax
Did they just mention Cole Sprouse knowing that he plays Jughead in Riverdale so if both shows crossed over, would they acknowledge that Jughead looks very much like Cole Sprouse?
maybe they meant "riverdale" as in the real life town of riverdale? idk man i'm confused too💀
@@lysniepak9216 there's a real town called Riverdale?!
@@sebbvell3426 yeah. there are actually two, one in new jersey and one in new york
@@lysniepak9216 okay I didn't know that thank you for sharing, lysniepaky!
you gotta admit, it takes some real skill, skill beyond human comprehension to make the original pretty little liars, and marlene look better by comparison. well done Roberto edit: knowing that riverdale is in the same universe, it really makes me wonder what that war was archie was fighting in, where for some reason they were in ww1 style trenches, wearing ww2 era clothing
If you're gonna do a Michael Myers style villain, villain in background + loud noise isn't exactly the best option. Part of why the original Halloween is so good is the way you know there's a chance he's there, but you don't know when or where so you find yourself constantly scanning the screen trying to find him. Like yeah there are moments where you get loud scares, but those tend to be accompanied with either the score or a diegetic noise, and they tended to be when Michael actually attacks. Those scares are so good because they're earned; the tension builds and builds and builds, and then it happens and you shit yourself. The loud noise jumpscares have to be earned or they feel cheap. Also, honestly, I think that the staircase scare might have been even more effective if it was either silent or accompanied with fitting music instead of the loud noise.
K so I was under the impression that Imogen thought the flyer was connected to her mom’s death because she saw her mom receive the flyer before she committed suicide and then she recognized it when she found it on her desk. Then I quickly rewatched the opening scene and they didn’t actually have Imogen see the flyer and he mom just lied to her and told her it was a flyer for a restaurant. But like how hard would it be for them to have Imogen see her mom get the flyer, sees her mom be freaked out by the flyer before she commits suicide, find the flyer later and recognize it, and then connect the rave to her mom’s death? It just seems like an easy fix
The most intriguing thing about the original A was that they were always lying in wait only to appear to mentally abuse the cast. A was never meant to scary, but menacing, manipulative, and smart. Making the new A texas chainsaw knockoff just takes any intelligence away from him for not being able to understand who the girls are and how to really get under their skin. It also makes it so there’s reasonable belief about the girls being able to beat A because after all is said and done, A is just like them. A young sad victim. There isn’t a power dynamic in the ways they operate. They all played dirty, threw hissy fits, and used girl tactics to hurt each other. Making the new A just a killer man makes it harder to relate to the A character and makes it harder to understand his motives and method of operations when it’s just stand around and murder people. Original show’s A never really murdered anyone on purpose. It was never about killing it was about hurting people emotionally and mentally.
The moment you said “Archie” I let out the loudest “WHY? WHY ARE YOU LIKE THIS??” and you echoing it took me out😂😭
They were smart to release 3 episodes at once. Because based on the first one, I wouldn’t bother waiting a week for the next one. They also introduced way too many teenage girls lol. Between the flashbacks of the moms, to all of the present day girls, I was getting everyone mixed up and I didn’t start knowing the characters names and who they were until like ep 3. And you’re absolutely right.. this doesn’t have the PLL vibe. They could’ve named it anything else in the world and it wouldn’t effect the plot too much lol
Chip wasn’t murdered in the theatre like you said. The girls actually pressed charges and it was implied that he went to prison/juvie and was murdered at the end of the last episode when A escaped as Chip was on « leave » to pass the holidays with his family.
Which makes A seem even more incompetent since he lets Chip live until the last five minutes.
A being the principal has the same energy as gossip girl being the teachers.. I am sensing a pattern here
Yes like the perfectionists professor
Yeah I didn't like that the principle was a that was really stupid
My biggest problem is that they keep recycling the same shitty concept of Marlene King that is “if the public never gets to really meet this character they will never suspect that he is the one behind it” I HATE THAT! They did a Spencer twin all over again with a character that was so minimal that I wouldn't even call him a secondary character. In any good whodunnit you NEED the audience to suspect your chosen killer at some point and then go “nah, it can't be him/her” and then you shock them. What you can't do is invent your killer out of nowhere so you can feel smarter than your audience when in reality what you did is cheat, not outsmart. Think about Scream, you spend the whole movie suspecting is Billy and then it hits you hard when he actually is cuz you stopped suspecting about him towards the end cuz you thought he would be too obvious. It was brilliant, and the movie let you play along as an audience, while PLL never actually let you do that and gives a very condescending attitude “I'll be the one giving you all the answers. You are not allowed to go there yourself alone“. They clearly don't want you to guess it and they give you zero chances. That sucks.
what are you talking about? we all knew mona and cece drake before they were revealed as A and that was something i really liked. marlene only did that with the spencer’s twin
there's literally hundreds probably thousands of youtube videos theorizing better stories than what ended up with all...the spencer twin was obviously dumb but for the last season and a half people did speculate about that and i had seen some videos saying which scenes they thought was actually the twin and stuff which all turned out to be true so i was happy enough with that, considering the plot hole hell that was the cece finale/story
@@brynniefresh9746 agreed
I see what you're saying OP, I agree with you
My favourite part of PLL was that A was always kinda assumed to be one of their peers and was in the end. I think that was a really important part of making it scary for teens watching. The villan being outside their social circles feels so disconnected, especially bc their mothers were the ones who actually did something.
it’s been 84 years since this video was announced and every one of them has been worth it
The tech of 2106 is severely disappointing. 🙁
i feel like in pll original sin the liars weren't really liars. aria, hanna, emily and spencer all had (a lot of) secrets that could destroy their lives. they had to lie really often, even to the police. here it just doesn't work. there are barely any stakes, barely any mystery
You know the saddest thing about the principal being “A” plot is that I GUESSED IT. Not because I was picking up on the clues the shows was _strategically_ dropping, not because I’m some master sleuth that can create a whole theory from the show’s breadcrumbs they call a plot, but because it LITERALLY COULDN’T BE ANYONE ELSE. We know that whoever “A” is wants revenge against the people responsible for Angela’s death so that eliminates all the students because they weren’t born at the time. It also can’t be any of the adults because they all, in one way or another, were responsible for Angela’s suicide - like the moms and Sheriff - or they were completely irrelevant to the main plot- like Mouse’s fake dad or Imogen’s dad (who I actually thought for a time was “A”). It could’ve only been the principal because he was LITERALLY the only other person in the show who was there and made sense for the writers to use as some dumb plot twist - and I may have ran with it if it wasn’t for the AWFUL, PATHETIC, performance he gave when revealing he was “A”. He sounded more like a loser getting back at his bullies then a serial manipulator, abductor, and killer.
Dylan: "The mastermind...was the principal." Me: ... "What?" (and I said this out loud)
Listen, flaws and all, the show had a decent storyline/characters. True, Tabby’s movie references got old FAST, Mouse’s (more interesting) backstory wasn’t really explored, and the finale wasn’t the best, but all in all, with Roberto at the wheel, it could’ve been worse. But shout out to PLL for staying true to their big sister show and making the A reveal pure GARBAGE!
Ditto, there were more natural ways of getting her passions for films across than forced movie quotes. Hopefully they'll be able to delve into Mouse's storyline more in Season 2.
I dunno what I disliked more, the A reveal or the fact that Ezra and aria adopted Imogens baby lmao.
I love that it seems like the people around her just ignore it. like she says some irrelevant movie title and they just do not say anything at all
idk the first PLL A reveal (the Mona one) was pretty good imo
Also the A reveal being the principal makes NO SENSE. If he had been emotionally invested in Angela and her brother’s life or loved the mother or anything, maybe I’d get it. But no. He wasn’t even involved with them. Never showed them love. Never wanted to be in their lives. So why the fuck does he care to THIS DEGREE?
What I love about Space Ninja, Amanda the Jedi and Kenny JD is that they can pick apart and shit talk something so eloquently, but still be like "I absolutely loved this show back in the day, still do!" Because that's exactly how I feel about it too😂 like "it's trash, I know! But I'm still going to get way too invested in it!"
It kinda feels weak that this version of A just kills a bunch to show he's a threat. It's lazy storytelling, and frankly totally against the intrigue that PLL's A had. In PLL the idea was that this was happening to four teenaged girls all keeping secrets, and so the proverbial sword hanging over their heads was the idea that someone outside of themselves not only knew these secrets but threatened to out them if they didn't act accordingly. It was a manipulation game, but one that would resonate with teens and also feel somewhat realistic within the parameters of the story. Original Sin's A being a thrasher villain just completely disregards the whole reason why it's called Pretty Little LIARS. They are lying, keeping secrets, and A is meant to make them all turn on each other. Having a solid corporeal antagonist that they can all band against totally defeats the purpose of what A is supposed to represent, which is discord and disharmony.
Also I love Imogen's style in this show. It's so cozy and cute - I especially love her cardigans and her homecoming dress.
If they get renewed for a 2nd season, I really hope they kill off one of the main girls just to raise the stakes. I always hated how in the OG PLL, you just knew the girls would be safe no matter what due to plot armor.
I like them all but if one has to go it better be Mouse 🤐
They did get renewed for season 2!
@@saracoutinho3398 tbh I'd rather have tabby go. Unless in season 2 she gets a better arc compared to season 1. Tabby def felt like the weakest link plotline wise.
Honestly I want Noa gone bc her story arc BORES the hell out of me and the only thing I like about her is that the actress ist just drop dead gorgeous. I don't think the character has anything going for it besides that sadly
@@sonder8310 Well she’s not going anywhere so deal
5:55 I've never seen a single Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa show, but I've seen enough of your videos to yell "NOOOOOO" as soon as you mentioned him as the architect to this series
Of all the reviews I’ve seen about this show, you’re the only one to mention that Imogene’s pregnancy literally brought nothing to the plot. I felt that as soon as I finished the show and my sister agrees with me. I suppose it’s meant to parallel what happened to Angela and A’s whole thing is that he goes after bullies? But you’re right, the show literally could’ve gone without it. I’m just over teen pregnancy in shows, it sends such a bad message! And that stupid plot to find out who that father is 😭 they really thought they did something with that idea! They were so happy that it got narrowed down to 66 people but where would you even start?? 66 is still a lot of people, especially if you don’t know which 66! But then they had a massive (and random) realization that made them think of Chip? It also didn’t really go into why Tabby had a hidden camera in the boys’ locker room, like was it part of a revenge plot, or was she using it as a way to see if she remembers who assaulted her? It was never talked about but it was so strange! And ILLEGAL since it’s technically child p???
one thing that really bothered me is we never get to find out why angela was so messed up on her way to the rave. we see her get into a fight with her mom but she doesn’t look hurt, just upset. did she get attacked on the way? like there was no confirmation on why she was sobbing & limping
I had the same reaction as ninja, I was pumped that they were doing a reboot on HBO, and then roberto was annouced, and I found myself hysterically laughing. It was the same reaction of horror I felt when they annouced the Hobbit would be three movies.
I suspect that what happened with the Hobbit is part of the reason Tolkien's estate didn't allow Peter Jackson anywhere near Amazon's Rings of Power series.
When you're going off about how Imogen's jumps to conclusions don't make sense in the early investigation ... I kinda agree but also I wonder if they meant for it to come across like Imogen is reaching for something, anything, to explain her mother's actions. In the show, even when she finds out later that her mother had massive guilt over Angela, and struggled with depression, she insists it must have been A who murdered her mom. She can't accept the alternative, that her mom did that on purpose. She's not the first to refuse to accept that a loved one k-worded themselves. Idk if it's bad writing or what, but they could have for sure pushed that denial angle more. Imogen is young, under enormous stress and trauma, about to have a baby, lost all her friends and her mother, and now she's being stalked by a violent person. I don't think it's that strange that she's obsessing over a potential mystery that would explain why her mother did what she did.
It makes complete sense he’s just way too caught up in nostalgia to give this show any credit for anything.
Well, the issue is that too many of her leaps in logic turn out to be right, when the show should have found another way to put in the information. Like, I can buy that she might be unable to accept the alternative (though personally i dont think the show established that well if that was what they were going for) but that still doesn’t explain how she correctly knew to connect the flyer to her moms death, in addition to other stuff.
one of the things abt the finale specifically that bothered me SO MUCH was the age casting of the principal in relation to the moms. he’s supposed to be angela’s father, which means that he should be old enough to be the father of any of the moms, since they were all the same age as angela. which ALSO means he should be the age of a grandfather to the liars, which absolutely cracks me up because he doesn’t look it at all, and it feels like the writers didn’t even think about that. the actor for the principal is only about ten years older than the actresses for the moms, the smallest age gap being 8 yrs between him and lea salonga. even if he was really young when angela was born, that’s a stretch. so… WHY?? if they were so determined to make it angela’s father, commit to the bit and cast an old dude. OR just make him an old boyfriend of angela’s (like they hinted at with the train guy) so that his age makes sense. it just pisses me off so much because it feels like there wasn’t an ounce of thought put into any of it
Oh, Roberto is absolutely gonna make a crossover episode between Original Sin and Riverdale. *He wouldn't have mentioned they existed in the same universe otherwise...* Edit: Also, the bar isn't on the ground, it's buried 6 feet under and Roberto *still* found a way to trip on it!
I would genuinely love to see you write a show because I feel like you have such a good grasp of what works and what doesn't. The way you analyze things is always so interesting bc you explain your points so clearly and show the entire line of reasoning. You put what I feel into words and bring up things I don't even notice. I haven't even watched a lot of the shows you cover but the way you break it down has me intrigued the entire time. At the very least I feel like you should be a show consultant or something lol
Just wanted to say that I love how FSN really protects the actors from bad writing. I think that's pretty cool.
Thank you for talking about the freakin janitor!!! I asked about him after every damn episode AND NO ONE NOTICED HIS ABSENCE 💀💀💀
Noa is dope, which I attribute largely to Maia Reficco #JusticeForNoa (reminds me looks wise of a young Minka Kelly)... And that string of scenes of Tabby quoting movies starting around 43:30 is worth the price of admission alone to this video lol