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Have you watched Shaun's video on the problems of HP? It's a really good video essay that offers a lot of insight imo
Hey, FSN. I'm getting tired of cynical reviews (that seem to popular now for some reason) so could you please do a video on something you like? Or at least not keep that annoying tone and attitude for an hour? Thanks
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Like karma could be a , like the theme of revenge and the potential cot, with the brother and them about the futility of revenge and h sacrifice himsel to save tom. Like literally would him and tom giving an arc and could even give a reason to betray to keep tom save or something. And he dies catching a bulrt for tom inseat attacking grindlewald?! And giv tom characterisation and like a self destructive phae karma saves him from?!
I truly think Fantastic Beasts could’ve been a great franchise if they actually, you know, *focused on the fantastic beasts*
Seconded, they have unnecessary focus on the main characters and their love interests.
I genuinely don't understand how they thought it was a good idea to do a movie about a magizoologist and then "what if he helped defeat this super dangerous dark wizard, Dumbledore's nemesis, that makes sense, he's totally equipped for that" just pick one or the other
Instead of Dumbledore and Grindlewald's relationship issues.
see, the more time it passes i think it would have been both unrealistic and also impossible... like of course after your big wizarding world battle between good and evil warner bros wouldnt want a quiet more down to earth and smaller story about a guy whose main worry is to care for wacky creatures, instead of, like, battling more wizard supremacists and whatnot... and besides that, a whole franchise of that (five two hour movies) that can maintain audiences interest feels like its both out of rowlings capabilities and also is just not something that can lead to fanservice of the original harry potter franchise -because how can you link characters from the original franchise when youre going to spend time in nature, away from civilization, where these fantastic beasts dwell?
Exactly a Indy Jones style adventure with a genuinely kind magizoologist saving , rehabilitating,finding creatures across the globe. Maybe have cameos from Tina and such but mostly let Newt explore. Maybe have Jacob build a franchise /food truck around . Anything random would've worked except for what they chose
Honestly, Dumbledore ordering people to do things for him without explaining why is the only consistent piece of lore in this franchise.
Agreed! And in Harry Potter it kinda made sense because he was viewed by the wizarding world almost as a demigod. With unparalleled power and knowledge. However in FB he is young and not yet famous or in a position of power. Nobody has any reason to trust him much less blindly follow his commands.
Lmaooo 💯
@@williamhansen9456 I don't agree with that Dumbledore is alluded to being a powerful and famous wizard already he was asked by the Ministry to take down Grindewald so 🤷🏽
Dumble just being like idk love magic is also rly consistent 🤣👏
Especially with the prophecy thing in this movie and grindlewald also successfully was under cover as an auror using polyjuice , turning people like queenie .grindlewald pulling stunts like this explains why Dumbledore would be so paranoid and wouldn't be able to trust people and he trusts harry because he's basically known him his entire life but fuck fantastic beasts and jk Rowling lol
I like the change they did to Obliviate, because it means that Hermione Granger's family had nothing but bad memories about Hermione. It's unintentional comedic gold.
If my daughter was Emma Watson, I would only have bad memories of her too. Edit: Not because she is a feminist, but because she was in a Live Action Disney remake and is also British. I hate both of those things but especially a combination of the two.
@@helloill672Why?
newt said that the potion has “obliviating properties” - the spell is the same, the potion works differently.
@@hf2706no idea but I’m assuming their reason is “feminism bad”
@@kara3396 I’m glad I asked for your opinion
I'd argue that the legacy destruction began with Cursed Child but this is all very accurate too.
Oh nooo, I’d managed to obliviate my memory on that. Owwww 😵💫
Definitely. As cute as 2nd generation drarry is,I’ve seen better written fan fiction of Draco and Harry getting closure on their relationship as well as the effects of their parents legacies on children. And that’s really what the story should’ve been about but it’s less about that and more about angsty teenager saviorism. Like a cursed child with no time turned would literally just be Albus resenting Harry as a father for giving him a legacy to live up to and wondering why he’s a slytherin feeling alienated from his family and like a black stain. Couple that with ray of sunshine scorpius who is literally rumored to be a black stain. Considering Harry Potter is supposed to be about prejudice you could see how that same prejudice affects the next generation. Especially those of the villains. Scorpius and Albus are honestly a great setup and an arc about closure is there. Especially considering the romantic undertones and exploring feelings and jealousy at new friendships. But Joanne isn’t that competent a writer.
Noipe. Book 7 was when eveything started falling apart. So many things were made up on the fly, so many rules were broken to make the plot work. The only reason it worked was because Rowling has a South Park fanbase that explain things FOR her. Just like Butter's book fans, they're way off the mark half the time, but Rowling is smart enough to act as if she'd planned everything from day one. Fan- "Oh oooh. I get it! Snape, Harry and Voldemort were the 3 brothers! Rowling- Yup. You all got it right😅😅 Except that she'd just invented the brothers in book 7. And a number of her characters could have been the brothers.
Cursed child was trully a pain to read. Which is sad concidering the fact taht the story is actually not bad and actyally understands the dangers of time travel and changing the past. The main problem is that you can literally remove half od the book and change absolutly nothing.
I'd argue the legacy destruction started when Rowling didn't want to put in the books that Dumbledore was gay, but felt the need to raise the topic shortly after the final book was released. Like, don't get me wrong, I sincerely love the Dumbledore is gay explanation for parts of his character which Harry wouldn't have understood growing up. And him being single after being incredibly close to a dark wizard in his youth. But doing it in a tweet showed she'd add onto the series for the sake of publicity. If she had that plan, why not add it in the books? And since then she's gone and done that to increasingly unnecessary extents. Dumbledore is gay, lovely, but weird way to break it. Wizards magic their shit away before plumbing in Hogwarts, why would we need this? Slughorn brought back the Slytherin kids with back-up? Nope, that didn't happen in the story, why are you trying to retcon that in a podcast? Hermione is black was your intention? So her hair being made fun of and her being ridiculed (by you the writer) for speaking up against slavery were done with those ideals? Not to mention her pale face being seen at night? These retcons are getting ridiculous. It all came from the point where she desired to add or change big character traits post-mortum. And that was started by the "Dumbledore is gay" tweet. Without that maybe the legacy destruction would have happened anyhow, with her bad political views at the core of the book and all. But in this case it started with something else, and only got worse as more and more things started to snowball.
Just imagine "Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them" as a series, few but long episodes, monster of the week style. But rather than defeating the monsters we see Newt interact with them, study them, understand them. How to train your dragon meets Harry Potter. No Grindelwald, no war, just light hearted fun. It could have been so good.
Someone make this happen holy smokes
I like it…they did something like that with lilo and stitch the series.
Exactly! That was one of my favorite shows growing up. Imagine that but for a slightly more grown jp audience.
Okay this comment made me so happy!!! I hope you get whatever dessert you like.
YESSS To be fair the Dumbledore and Grindlewald plot wasn’t terrible. They just shoved it in a series that is entirely not about that. I’d have loved if they made it a completely separate franchise if that’s the story they really wanted to tell instead.
The blood pact annoys me so much, not just because it's impossible but also it does a huge disservice to the depth of Dumbledore's character. It means that he refrained from fighting Grindleward because he was physically unable to, not because of all the complicated feelings about their past and not wanting to know whose spell actually killed his sister, which would have made a much better story imo.
and also, weren't they supposed to be lovers? like, why would they want to be like "brothers" when they were in love? was it a one sided love story situation? was it to make it seem like they weren't actually together? were they into incest? MAKE IT MAKE SENSE AAGH (or at least explain it) i think jk rowling backed out of a gay love story at the last minute because, well, she's stupid
Right. That's what it was in the books. So, they literally had to create a new reason instead of just going with the books. Were they afraid of making Dumbledore complicated?
It makes him worse AND it is so stupid.... The unbreakable vow exists and would make sense to be what they had made (if anything, which they shouldn't have), but... that doesn't leave a little silver thingy to undo
@@annamelvina216 no they were afraid to make him overtly gay
@@LunaWitcherArt Yup, it's a wild stupid cycle between "we can't make it all about Newt because we want that sweet sweet HP nostalgia" (hence retconning Dumbledore as a Defense against the Dark Arts teacher, for the Azkaban boggart scene), but also "we need to sell to China so we need Newt not to make it a story centered around a gay couple". I also suspect it's just plain Rowling not being as progressive as she used to portray herself: as we know today, it was all fine when she could just claim a character was gay without writing one line about it, but dare to question her writing or positions and Matt Walsh becomes her best friend.
The magic blood pact totally messes up the idea of Dumbledore refusing to face the possibility that he killed Ariana. It's one of the things that shows Dumbledore is selfish and allows Harry to see that he is a flawed person. Plus seriously PURE OF HEART!?!
I didn't notice it until this video but that blood pact doesn't fit in really. If Dumbledore and Grindelwald had a "legendary fight" then that means this pact was made AFTER the fight and what reason do they have to be cordial to each other, let alone get together and make a pact like this promising not to hurt each other after they have a fight that resulted in Dumbledore's sister dying? Ryan George from Screen Rant had a better idea in his video about this movie- that "pure of heart" person should have been Jacob. That would make a lot of things make much more sense. This is why Dumbledore is tagging him along- to show everyone that a muggle can be pure of heart. It would explain two different plot points -everyone suddenly deciding muggles are cool now after the Qilin made its choice and why Dumbledore insisted Jacob tag along with them.
@@hittingyouoverthehead I've just realised that that plot hole was quite easy to fix. What if both Albus and Gellert were so shaken by that fight and Ariana dying that they met up (in secret - so of course they would say they've never seen each other in years) and swore the pact about not fighing each other anymore - but the pact also had a clause about not harming the family? That way the pact would have been broken when Grindelwald tried to kill Credence - as he was Albus family.
@@raimesser3677 But why would either of them even begin to consider doing that if they blame each other for her death? Also Gellert doesn't really strike me as the kind of guy who would get "shaken up" by the death of his friend's sister.
@@hittingyouoverthehead Pure of heart could've been Newt too, he doesn't even want to be involved in this situation, all he wants is to take care of magical creatures.
@@raimesser3677but then that means Grindelwald would have died for attacking Credence.
Credence's character was actually pretty interesting to me in the first movie. His story parallels the beginning of Harry's- they're both orphans brought up in abusive households that very specifically discourage them from so much as thinking about magic. However, Harry eventually receives validation; he's brought into a world that, though dangerous, is also beautiful and warm and welcoming. His life is hard and scary at times, but he also gets to feel happy and loved. Credence, on the other hand, shouldn't have even lived to the age Harry was when he got his Hogwarts letter. The only person who actually sees and validates him is Percival Graves, who's just using Credence's need for affection to manipulate him. At the end of the movie, Credence dies alone, afraid, and in tremendous amounts of pain. That's an incredibly compelling (and ridiculously tragic) story. I wasn't at all upset that they brought him back because, well, Credence was the kind of tragic character who deserved a second chance. I was so excited to see him grow- to learn to accept the repressed parts of himself, become a wizard, and change his fate. Maybe love- from others and from himself- could save him like it saved Harry. And then instead, we got... nothing, really. Credence is manipulated by Grindelwald again, he randomly starts being able to do magic, and- oh yeah!- his father is Aberforth Freaking Dumbledore. He does random stuff for two movies, grows his hair out, and then dies again. He could have been such an impactful character, and they wasted him, just like they wasted everything else in this trainwreck of a series! (His character has, of course, been tainted by his actor as well. Even if Fantastic Beasts managed to get a fourth movie, brought Credence back, and actually gave him a good story arc, I wouldn't have enjoyed it because why would anyone intentionally write Ezra Miller back into their show?)
"To learn to accept thr repressed parts of himself" yea... modern rowling isn't about that sadly. She's instead about continuing to repres the repressed parts of yourself as to not make other hypothetical people uncomfortable.
I'm am CONVINCED the only reason she made Abe have a son is because she learns of his 'goat love' memes. She is absolutely that petty and bitter.
i cannot even begin to explain how bizarre it is to me that she chose to create FB when a whole-ass section of the fandom had been loud af for a decade, making trailers and edits of the Marauders, because they wanted so badly for their story to be turned into a tv show or saga. like,,, i just,,,, what
At this point I think we'd better leave that to fanfics and fan movies. They are definetely better that what JK has been doing to the FB franchise. I'm pretty sure if she did a Marauders franchise, she'd fuck it up so badly we'd wish she wouldn't have done it.
@@camilatoledosepulveda8454 oh yeah no i don't think most of us want it anymore, she'd fuck it up so hard I don't even want to imagine it. especially considering she seemed to prefer a raging nazi to a middle school bully, I honestly do not want to know how she would've portrayed james, nor snape
I mean maybe she just... didn't what story she could do with them? Sometimes authors aren't inspired lol. Not saying she was inspired for FB or anything but hey, if you can't find a story YOU, the author, think is good and is exciting to you, it's better to not try
@@andiran23 agreed! but still, i mean,, we already had some stories she could just expand on a bit, you know? fans were asking for so many different, *already existing*, stories/characters, and she chose FB. i'm glad she didn't destroy the marauders, but it just does not make sense to me. at all.
the fans even cast a few actors, I believe Andrew Garfield, Aaron Taylor Johnson and Ben Barnes. WB had everything.
The thing that bothered me the most and i didn't see a single person mention it, is that in the books, in the first book, the very first thing we learn about wizards is that they dress weirdly. The wear robes and weird hats with odd colors. And since the second movie, most of the characters are just wearing suits!! Dumbledore is teaching a class while wearing a suit!!! I was excited to see 1920s wizarding world fashion.
I like that they scrapped the pointy hats and flashy outfits, honestly. In the books it works because the clothes are not always described and since you are just imagining you can imagine it however you like. In the movies, the point hats and shocking colors would become an eyesore very fast and a bit childish, which may work for the first two movies, but not so much for the latter ones. Of course that's just my opinion and I get why you would like them to be closer to the books in this aspect.
that issue is the same in the main 8 movies, aside from the attires worn by Hogwart professors and death eaters, most of the time wizards from the movie would have no problems walking among muggles, even the people from the ministry looks stylish as hell
That was an issue the movies started a LONG time ago: making the students and most of the wizards wear pretty normal clothes to make the movies look more "serious," when the point in the books was that their fashion sense greatly differs from Muggles and they look like silly weirdos to ordinary people (which is _another_ reason why the Dursleys who are obsessed with "looking normal" don't like them...I'm pretty sure the very first book even had uncle Vernon's POV at the beginning and he noticed these odd-clothed people gathering around and talking more than usual [celebrating Voldemort's defeat.])
Seriously, go read about fashion history and you'll see that, for its time, the costumes are pretty unique. Colorwise especially, that is, the designer knew what they were doing. All great costumes to me......
@@dodoxan4972 Like they said, it is mentioned in the books that wizards do _not_ dress like Muggles and their clothes are very colorful and weird in comparison. That they still look very Muggle-like here.
This franchise is a good example of what happens when you're a director surrounded by "yes" people
The lack of care Rowling takes over her own creation is why it always pisses me off when she is compared to Tolkien and Martin. The amount of detail that Martin puts into the world and its history in ASOIAF is ridiculously complex compared to the Wuzard world, but it seems Rowling either can't keep the details straight in her head or, more likely, she gave up caring about these things a couple of decades ago
In terms of the original series she deserves the comparison. Everything after? Not really.
@@danielstevens8610 I feel like the original Harry Potter story is maybe worth comparing. It’s kind of more modern, I suppose a little more human/relatable story, as opposed a to mythological fantasy epic like Tolkiens works or a medieval drama with dragons like Martins. There is less care and detail overall, but as a story it quite nice I think, it handles the personal aspects like the friendships that are central to the story fairly well. In many ways I actually prefer it to asoiaf. Martin is an interesting author but asioaf to me these days is a little over the top, has way too many plotlines and will probably never be finished.
@@imperialinquisition6006 I see what you mean, despite their similarities, Harry Potter and works like LOTR or Asoiaf are two different types of story. After reading lotr, as good as that book is, I still prefer Harry Potter overall. But that’s not me saying one is objectively better than the other, I don’t think that argument could ever be concretely resolved. It all, at the end of the day, depends on perspective. Out of all the amazing series and books I’ve experienced, I’ve still never managed to read something quite like Harry Potter. The characters, the world building, the subplots and story are all top notch Imo, yet delivered in a more digestible way, unlike the larger fantasy works such as Tolkien or Martin. And not to bash those authors, they just chose a more grand route with their writing, which is fine, all books have different styles.
@@danielstevens8610same with me too, I am an avid reader who has read almost all of Shakespeare's plays, Charles Dickens David Copperfield, Tolkien's Hobbit And LOTR, CS LEWIS The Lion, The Witch And The Wardrobe, The Jungle Book, And as much as great these books are, there is honestly quite nothing like HP. That's why I hate it when people Bash JK Rowling, and call her trash writer compares to other high fantasy writers like Tolkien and Lewis. To be honest, I read the entire Hobbit in a day, but I couldn't finish the LOTR series, the books never managed to hook me in.
@@RabiyaRavenclawExactly. Like I said, it all depends on perspective.
What's funny is Avada Kedavra cannot be blocked by any spell, it can only be ducked or shielded by another object, or the person at the receiving end of it is protected by the power of love, as Lily did for Harry. Dumbledore jumping out and BLOCKING Grindelwald's death spell obliterated the whole point of Harry Potter, if anyone can just block Avada Kedavra, Voldemort might as well use a gun to save all the trouble.
Pretty sure a gun can't be blocked
It cannot be blocked by a shielding spell, but spells can meet. We see this when Harry fights Voldemort in the graveyard, and when Dumbledore duels Voldemort.
@@whatabouthedroidattackonth3633 The thing with spells meeting and connecting is called Priori Incantatem (or something like that), but it can only happen when two wands with the same core fight each other. I'm pretty sure in the books, no spells (beside the ones cast by Harry and Voldemort when using their original wands) connect
@@alexsm3882 That's his point, why use a weapon that could potentially be blocked by someone (a wand) if you can use something that can't (a gun)
@@diegogomes228 In the final battle for hogwarts, Harry blocked the Avada Kedavra with Expelliarmus even though his Wand was the elderwand and not of the same core as lucius malfoys wand used by voldemort so therefore no piori incantatem
They missed excellent opportunity of world building with Newt. Newt is soft, empathetic character. He loves adventure and taking care of animals. Through him they could have easily explored unseen corners of Harry Potter universe with different perspective. His lack of interest in being involved in war makes him fittings character to explore after effect of war and impact of it in daily life. Also Newt is that type of male character we rarely see in movies as main protagonist so it would have been nice to see.
The sole fact that we saw Newt openly comforting Thaddeus when Leta got destroyed, hugging him and letting him cry without any shame or attempt to hide the tears is the only mildly revolutionary thing in this franchise
@@miticaBEP07 him and Aragorn are the only 2 character I can think of who embody healthy masculinity on film. Aragorn is still a better-written character in a better movie, but newt is more of the quiet, kind side of masculity while Aragorn is more well-rounded. They really did do Newt dirty tho
No you're so right!! Newt as a character is so amazing and soft and vulnerable. He really deserved better movies
Excellent point on Newt. Also a nature documentary movie based on these Fantastic Beasts would have done the trick.
He should have been placed in a series in the Harry Potter universe. With him as the protagonist, exploring the more unseen corners of the Wizarding World. We can also confirm through his ventures how mythologies of different countries would fit in this world. Like, imagine Newt in the Nordic part of the world, traveling to Yggdrasil, saving an endangered species of wolves or ravens or some unique beast from the threats of Draugrs hunting them down, or something like that. Lol
Another reason why the Harry Potter franchise is so beloved is because we’re all finding out about the wizarding world through Harry’s eyes and slowly finding out about it with him, making the whole experience much more authentic and organic. It’s something I always loved about the books and the movies that makes it more exciting regardless of the medium used to tell the stories. It’s something I remember thinking “oh wow, I can’t wait to learn more about this or that in the future.” It was a smart choice on Rowling’s behalf making him grow up in the muggle world then being thrown into the wizarding world.
I think that's supposed to be Jacob's role here. A complete outsider to their world who has to be filled in on everything. It doesn't work quite as well of course, him not being the main protagonist. How many scenes through all of HP don't have Harry in it somewhere? I can the probably count the Harry-less scenes on one hand through all 8 movies
@tylarjackson7928 I found Jacob quite endearing but there was a higher expectation because of how well the Harry Potter franchise did and I think JK's head got quite big both outside her work and thinking she could do a screenplay. Writing a series and screenplays is so much different and I think that's partially why this didn't work. I also agree with you 100%
@@itsjustmaddisen Oh I love Jacob too. And personally, I loved the 3rd movie. Didn't really care for the other two, but this one...man. Mads Mikkelsen was fantastic as Grindelwald. I love Depp, but this just wasn't the role for him. Shame we'll never see it finish out. Jude Law and Mads had great chemistry too.
@tylarjackson7928 I have a similar opinion as well. I watched it hoping I would like JD in it but I don't think this was a role meant for him however Mads was fantastic. I loved him in Hannibal and was excited when I found out he'd be in Fantastic Beasts. He was absolutely the best choice to play Grindelwald hands down and I'm glad he got the role.
The most jaw dropping thing about this trilogy is the fact that the writer of this franchise was J.K. Rowling herself. She created a universe full of details yet she couldn't even manage to get a single thing right in these 3 movies. Does she really realize how messed up these things are? She has broken the rules that she built.
It can happen, especially with large franchises in other universes. They usually have a person whose job it is to keep the lore straight, a lore keeper, if you will. A super fan's dream job. It's very clear that Rowling never had that person, thus all of the plot holes and rule breaking.
I mean, this happened a lot in the books, too. She looked up the fan wikis during writing (and then sued the people behind it when they tried to publish a book)
I'm not that suprised honestly. It was apparent even in the Harry Potter books. At the beginning it was fine, because the story was simple. But as the series progressed and she got deeper into the world she created the more cracks started to form. But I guess she finished Harry Potter just in time, so these plotholes and inconsistencies didn't became too serious. It's very noticeable, that she just created this universe from book to book, and there was barely, if any, preparation for the future. She just came up with stuff on the fly as the story needed it, with no care if it fits into the already estabilished rules or not. The problem just exploded in Fantastic Beasts... But even with that, I could've skimmed over the magical inconsistencies. Like whatevs... maybe with time they refined some spells and that why they work slightly differently in HP. But she couldn't even bothered to check at least the dates so they line up. McGonnagall in the flashback, when she wasn't even born? Credence being the brother of Dumledore, when their mother died way to long ago? It just shows the absolute lack of fucks given.
@@bookfish JK literally has no clue about anything in her world. She's a terrible world writer. Amazing character writer, the characters in the books are very interesting and it carries it, but her world and plot make no fucking sense. The entire third and fourth books are centered on a plotline that revolves around people having misinformation about events in the past. At the end of the 4th book, it's revealed this universe has a FREAKING TRUTH SERUM. Meaning they could have resolved the entire 3rd and 4th books plots 15 years ago by simply giving someone a truth serum. Oh, Sirius Black has a conflicting story? Luckily, we can find out EXACTLY what happened! Every detail! The story constantly introduces new elements that retrospectively resolve old plotlines, so you're left wondering why the fuck it didn't resolve earlier. The Marauders Map is the same, what, Fred and George never had a look at their own houses dormitory and saw their brother sleeping with some dude called Peter Pettigrew? The plot isn't full of holes, it's one giant hole that makes no sense. Harry Potter has no plot, it has contrivances to allow characters to interact.
@@CharlesFreck And the Truth Serum stuff invites its own cool questions! How does it work when memories have been tampered with? Can something be factually incorrect but still "true" because the person absolutely believes it? Too bad Just Kidding, Really is kind of gobshite at answering cool questions in-narrative. And also is a horrible person, but I digress.
The blood pact was also much less interesting than Dumbledore not going after Grindelwald because he was a guilt-ridden, grieving, and conflicted man rather than the powerful, mostly infallible hero Harry thought he was.
I know! I think especially w love being such a major theme of the first books I think that they could've done something w dumbledore still caring abt him to much or something
Yes, they changed what was a very interesting personal dilema with a lot of complicated feelings that made Dumbledore a lot more human and interesting and instead gave us... a blood pact. What a downgrade.
Secrets of Dumbledore literally says he's pure of heart like... no, no he's not.
@@judeconnor-macintyre9874 I was shocked that the little deer didn't bow to Newt.
@@vashsunglasses same, Newt is clearly the most pure of heart character in the series. Though you could argue that Dumbledore knowing, acknowledging, and overcoming his flaws and knowing he can’t be trusted with power and avoiding it is what makes him trustworthy and POSSIBLY pure of heart but still doubtful. Although they did say the Chillen(not sure of spelling) also values strength as one of it virtues for a pure heart, I guess you could argue that while Newt is definitely not spineless he does avoid problems in the world unless they involve beasts. He falls into the wise category of someone who doesn’t seek power or leadership but it was also to the point in the 2nd movie where he didn’t choose sides until Grindelwald murdered someone he knew, so he is kind of neglectful and irresponsible and lives in his own isolated bubble with his creatures, which is somewhat understandable but maybe what kept him from being seen as pure of heart by the chillen.
Literally, there are two huge ways Newt being the main character could've worked. 1) Grindelwald actively targets fantastic beasts that are under Newts care. This would prompt him to take a more active role. 2) Newt actually took Credence in and Credence became his apprentice of sorts. Then Grindelwald finds him and actively comes after him. These are two SUPER OBVIOUS ways that Newt could've been an active main character where it made sense to have him as the main character. Sadly she did neither of those things.
Considering the movies are being co written by an author who already used a similar story arc, I really thought Newt was going to be a reluctant protagonist in the sequel like he was in the first movie. I mean, it would have been a little predictable but you can do so much with predictable
They should've hired you instead of JK
@@gem9535 by the way this whole franchise has been they shouldve just hired anybody but JK lol
grindewald targeting beasts doesn't make sense and is a shallow plot line
@@qwertyboo it does make sense since his main goal in canon was to eventually overthrow the Statute of Secrecy which means he wanted to expose muggles to wizarding world. Using beasts to unleash terror to muggles is one of quickest way to expose muggles to wizarding world.
I love how Credence reason for wanting to kill dumbledore is that he feels that he abandoned him as his brother But somehow he doesn't have negative feelings towards aberforth, that is extablished knew about him the all time, and so he ACTUALLY abandoned him. Which is even worse since aberforth as a parent had a bigger duty towards Credence that a brother would have Not to mention, aberforth turns out to be a massive hypocrite, he dared to criticize albus for not taking care of their sick sister while being a deadbeat parent, wtf
So that would mean Credence is gay and attracted to old men. Also in second movie Dumbledoore calls Newt a girl
@@karolinakuc4783 Might be 1 AM brain unable to function properly or detect sarcasm/jokes.... but how does that mean any of that and what does the latter statement have to do with the original comment?
Yeah now that you meantion it... this is some Aberforth character assassination if I've ever seen it!
A bit late to the party, but I feel like, if they really needed to make Credence related to Dumbledore, it would make sense to have him be Ariana's son. In the books it is insinuated that Ariana was raped as a girl. It's a very tragic story of course, but it would explain the Obscurus thing, how he is not loved, Albus never knew about him. It is a bit similar to how Voldemort is also not a creation of love. It is a dark twist, but for me it makes way more sense than Aberforth giving his child to an orphonage.
Also, Dumbledore clearly says in the first movie/book that there's no spell that can bring the dead back. But in the secrets of dumbledore, the bad guy just brings the tinny baby creature back to life in a pool
Of course Dumbledore says there’s no way to bring back the dead. What Grindelwald did was morally wrong. Reviving the dead implies that the dead are now living again, which would entail having free will or an ability to make decisions - the Qilin didn’t have that, it was reanimated to bow to Grindelwald - that’s all. Also, did you want Dumbledore to tell Harry that there was a way to reanimate his parents?
Wow, Dumbledore and Grindelwald loved each other so much that they didn’t trust each other not to murder each other so they made a blood pact that made it impossible for them to even think about fighting. Truly romantic.
That was also a problem in the original HP series. JK Rowling cannot not write a romantic relationship to save her life.
@@karrihart1 The way she wrote Ron and Hermione's relationship proves Rowling thinks that if 2 people are completely shitty to each other it just means they're in love but won't admit it.
@@Xehanort10 Not only that but in a good romance, you understand why two people are together (common interests, how they challenge each other and make each other better, etc). Why are Remus and Tonks together? Why are Bill and Fleur together? It just seemed like JKR paired people up at random. And while we all love Ron Weasley, c’mon we all know Hermione could’ve done better.
@@karrihart1 It's like she picked random character names out of a hat and decided to put them together. Instead of characters who made sense together, had things in common, similar interests, cared about and liked being around each other, were supportive and so on she had Bill and Fleur marry after only knowing each other a year from working at Gringotts which even Molly points out is only because they're scared Death Eaters will kill them any minute. Despite not having a single conversation Lupin and Tonks are suddenly head over heels. And then there's the out of nowhere relationship that was Harry and Ginny.
@@Xehanort10 And with Harry and Ginny, there’s the added fact that Ginny looks like Lily (ew). Speaking of Lily, of course we all end up marrying the guy who bullied our childhood best friend. And Avatar: The Last Airbender isn’t immune from this issue either. The Aang/Katara pairing was so forced and I hated it. Katara and Zuko made way more sense and they actually had chemistry.
I had a major issue with Queenie drugging Jacob in the second movie. Not only would it be less funny if the genders were reversed, but it undoes the emotional scene from the original movie where Jacob gets his memories wiped for his own protection, only for it to be made pointless.
The only time love potions were portrayed as the serious, dangerous things they are was Voldemort's conception. Other than that magical date rape drugs are treated as harmless fun. Romilda Vane the obsessed fangirl tried to slip Harry one so he'd take her to Slughorn's party and have sex with her.
Yeah it was flat out SA and just generally really really abusive. As soon as I saw that I felt sick and turned the damn movie off. I finished the film eventually but the fact that more people don’t bring that up shows how happy people are to ignore abuse when it’s gendered that way. Same with Bridgerton
Agreed. It's not funny, it's at best harrasment. I saw the second and the third movies with a male friend and he was so angry (rightfully).
it's an SA that's literally never needed to happen to begin with. Queenie has a lot of struggles that can be used in the plot, like how her blessing is also a curse, how she's probably usually undermined due to her "ditzy" personality and how it affects her, how she can be a bit naive and childish, etc. But no, they straight up made her an abuser 💀it doesn't even fit her character at all
Yeah, and they framed it as comedic. Yikes.
Fantastic beasts makes the Star Wars sequels seem like coherent, well thought out stories with no plot holes
14:27 What kills me about this is that it implies that Hermione's parents only had bad memories of her lmao
Except what wiped the New Yorkers' memories wasn't Obliviate. Rewatch the end of the movie lmfao
Also Hermione didn't obliviate her parents in the book. Still funny though 😂
I'm genuinely offended by the Dumbledore/Grindelwald blood pact. It could have be so much more compelling to have them not wanting to fight each other because of their past romance. You are allowed to have characters have conflicting feeling about something ! And it could have helped about his whole "building a suicide squad" thing ! To me, Dumbledore has always been a character who wants to do the right thing but who also doesn't flinch if he has to sacrifice others to achieve that goal, like he did to Harry. So it would be coherent for him to be like "You know what ? I don't want to fight my ex whom I may or may not still have feelings for. I'll guide you random people to be the heroes instead" I feel like having a random artefact instead is either a weird No Homo excuse or they just don't trust their audience to understand the basics of human relationships.
i was just about to say it... Dumbledore is a character that doesn't shy away from twisting things around, he kept Harry around like a pig for slaughter, why wouldn't he have made up the suicide squad for a whim? He knew Grindelwald should be defeated, but couldn't bring himself to do it. Bam! It does justice to the character... some things are just human, no need for twisting the lore to save up dusty lazy writing...
Yeah the blood pact is so cheesy and hacky. I always got the impression from reading the deathly hallows that dumbledore waited so long confront grindelwald because he was afraid of finding out who had struck the killing blow to his sister in the 3way duel.
@@LavinyaAPash it could also have been interesting to see Dumbledore specifically recruit characters who have reasons to go after Grindelwald and exacerbate those same reasons. Like twisting Newt's brother desire for revenge for his fiancée's death and use that to make him a pawn in his grand scheme to stop Grindelwald. I don't know if it would be the best storywise but it would cement Dumbledore as a strategist a bit more.. I dunno...
On top of that, the last time he saw the man and fought him, the collateral damage killed his sister. I can only imagine he wouldn't want to repeat the experience. He already has good reasons to avoid Grindelwald! Why the blood pact?!
Yeah, a Moses and Ramses situation where Moses actively tried to warn Ramses that the angel of death was coming. That's a great part of Prince of Egypt.
I absolutely LOVE Eddie Remayne and the character of Newt Scamander. He was wasted in this "series." A set of films focusing on him and his job would have been enchanting.
True. Why did they separated him from Jacob Kowalski in 2nd film. It is like to separate Sherlock from Watson. They just hated Newt because he is autist and not a macho
I mean one movie and maybe a fun tv show sure but not a bunch of movies
Ooh a whole show about various magical beasts causing incidents that threaten to expose wizardry to muggles and Newt's job is to humanely apprehend the beasts and protect the secrecy of magic? Maybe Jacob is his bumbling liaison with muggle government? Like the Mandalorian only the stakes matter and the subplot for a few seasons is Grindelwalds rise to power? Supernatural except in the HP universe? Shut up and take my money. Somebody get Eric Kripke on the phone.
@@DaddyWarlocks this would of been better than what they actually done with these films
it wouldnt be as blockbuster as "dumbledore fights grindelwald!!!! epic legendary duel" but they definitely could have woven pieces of that into a newt story where he like; finds and saves a very unique, last of its kind, family of magical beasts from poachers and the ministry which is trying to prevent him from carrying or managing beasts. etc etc then they could have done this grindelwald story by following dumbledore, maybe from the start when he met grindlewald. this show just kinda proves writing is the most important of anything.
Honestly, I wish we got a Newt Scamander-- Indiana Jones kind of movie. Newt would've been an interesting protagonist in a movie series with globe-trotting and tons of magical creatures-- maybe a bigger focus on magical creature preservation// I agree that the Grindelwald storyline should've been a Dumbledore focused/// plus fantastic beasts just brings up so many contradictions in how magic works that at this point it should be considered an alternate timeline separate from the Harry Potter books and movies.
Yes! He literally wrote a textbook. Why can't we just have the story of him traveling the world, exploring other wizard cultures, finding fantastic beasts, and then documenting them!!
I love speclative and fantasy biology, so for me the ideal fantastic beasts would be a miniseries "documentary" of these fictional creatures. Each episode is like 40 minites and covers a different magic biome. It's all done in the style of planet earth. Then in the last episode there's an end credit scene where someone confronts Newt (who's been off studying fantastic beasts for years) about where the hell he was and why no could contact him while there was a whole war going on. And Newt just goes... "There was a WAR???"
The fake wand thing isn't possible either. Wands have almost a sentience to them. Not like a person but they're choosy magical artifacts. They choose who can and cannot wield them. A Witch or Wizard would know immediately that a wand is fake when they touch it.
ngl dumbledore not doing anything and letting everyone else handle it without giving those same people any form of explanaition is pretty in character
Right? There were numerous times throughout HP that Dumbledore could’ve actively prevented certain events from happening, but simply chose not to out of “Safety” for those involved. You could say that Ariana’s death played a part in that causing him to keep loved ones away from him. But honestly, he probably just cares very little about those things. (Or JK stopped giving a shit about the story and just wrote drama for the sake of drama lol)
In character when he’s 120 years old and has earned the respect of his colleagues and peers through decades of hands-on work, research, fighting wars, etc. - You have to earn the kind of respect Dumbledore has in the original stories. These movies should have shown just a piece of all he accomplished to earn the respect and reverence he later does
"Credence is unstable, he's literally a timebomb" so like Ezra Miller
The people of Hawaii would agree
i laughed so loudly help
Art imitates life
method acting
I actually would love a "per textbook" series. It would've been a playful concept and there's enough there. Five movies: Newt's story could help establish just how cool the authors of these books are. It's the most kid-friendly. Let it fill Philosopher's Stone role and the other movies get more mature in themes as they go. Surely the heroine in "Magical Hieroglyphs and Logograms" could be a wide-eyed, hyperfocused nerd who gets conned by the bad guy into a tomb-crawling archelogical adventure and they track down ancient MagGuffins and forgotten cities to decrypt a long-dead langauge? Heck. Make them have to hunt down Atlantis or something. History is packed with forgotten civilizations, mythical and otherwise. Our hero in "One Thousand Magical Herbs and Fungi" could be trying to find a rare plant to heal a loved one. Same adventuring around, more emotional/character driven story. The dark arts book writes itself. If they HAD to work Dumbledore vs. Grindelwald in, do it there. That person--canonically good at fighting dark wizards--becomes Dumbledore's sidekick. That's movie four... Five can be Wizarding WWII or however they want to do it. Have these badasses all team up together Avengers style in a Five Man Band trope to help Dumbledore in the final movie.
This sounds so fun I'm even more angry at what we actually got
Apparently, producers strongly believe that we only watch films for special effects, so a plot doesn't have to make sense. I'd like to see a comparison between the budget paid for screenwriting and the budget paid for special effects.
I'm Brazilian and, as a fan of the Harry Potter franchise, I was IMMENSELY excited to see the story taking place in Brazil. Everybody here was speculating what the portrayal of the Brazilian wizarding world and school would be like since it would be the first time we would get to see a country other than the USA and the UK being used as background for the story. There was a lot of commotion even outside the HP fandom because they cast a very well-known Brazilian actress to play Vicencia and she was in literally EVERY promotional material for The Secrets of Dumbledore. So imagine my surprise when, not only Maria Fernanda Cândido, the actress who plays the Brazilian Minister of Magic, was barely in the movie BUT THE ENTIRE THING DID NOT TAKE PLACE IN BRAZIL AT ALL (Guys, I never got so many likes before THANK YOU SO MUCH!)
That had to be heartbreaking. I love watching Western movies and see the familiar Arizona backdrop (a lot of Western films are shot in my home state). It ties people even more to the movie and I can only imagine your disappointment
Você conseguiu colocar tudo que eu senti só nesse comentario
@@madimiss Or the Spanish south posing as Arizona haha
sim mano, que odio juro
Could you share with us some of your speculations on what the Wizarding World of Brazil would be? It sucks that they didn't try to do anything new and went as generic as possible
I will still argue that a better franchise choice would’ve been to make it an anthology, with each movie focusing on a different author of a book and their adventures, with hints of major wizard events throughout, it would’ve been interesting since it would have gone across different times and shown different perspectives
I would payyy for a “Hogwarts, a history” movie, or quidditch through the ages. Hell, i even would’ve accept a film of professor bins teaching a class instead of this franchise
They'd probably fuck up the timeline and have a shit ton of plot holes. As long as JK Rowling is in the writers' room, I'd rather they keep making these, instead of taking on something new. Because i have essentially given up on FB. It would just hurt too much if they ruined other parts of HP.
that would've been really cool. I think if they went with that, they would probably do a lockhart movie which would've been AMAZING, as well as some other interesting concepts
HP doesn't have the worldbuilding for that
@@randomuserwitharandomname6183 Yeah, everything outside of Hogwarts doesn't really make sense and not even Hogwarts is that well thought out
Newt was one of only characters I had seen that made me realize how important feeling represented was. Newt was so much like I was, weird around people but loved his animals. I saw so much of myself in him. To this day I have never seen a character I so fully can relate to. From the start of the second film I knew this was doomed. If they would have kept Newt as the center of the story I truly believer Fantastic Beast would have been as big as the main Potter films were.
That's really sad.. You need an external piece of media to feel good about yourself. You've been failed somewhere along in your upbringing.
@@alemswazzu sounds like it helped when they were in a bad place. You got it worded all maliciously, it's kinda weird, real bitter energy. Maybe lots of us were failed, which is indeed really sad.
fantastic beasts 4: give jacob a gun
It's funny because he's American... 😁
I will never stop screaming about how entertaining and simple it would have been for Newt to take Credence in after the first movie and have THAT be the reason Newt is more active in the story bc/ grindlewald is actively targeting them. Reason number one being found family is one of the few things that still warms my cold dead heart, but also because it would have paralleled Newt's previous failure with the young obscurus that died. This is his second chance to make up for that mistake. It's been YEARS and I'm genuinely still INFURIATED that that wasn't the route they took and instead went with this trainwreck of a plot
no frrrr
honestly, It would have even made more sense, to start with newt meeting the first obscurrus and actively seeing him try and then the girl dying. Focus on Newt and his highjinks as a Magizoologist, and on his work with obscurri would have been a much more interesting story, that would not ruin the canon...
That would've been SO much more interesting, and potentially even more heartbreaking.
fr it would make so much more sense and wouldn't detrail focus from the main group. i don't give a single fuck about any of the movies besides the first one but if they actually went this route without butchering everyone's original personalities i'd even give it a go. but no we get wizard nazis and unnecessary drama and plot twists outta plot twists and no beasts whatsoever this is ridiculous
That's the franchise we deserved
When I first heard the title, I thought that Newt would like, travel around the world to amazing looking locations and go to where the fantastic beasts are and study/observe them, or something like that. Nothing too heavy, but a fun expansion of the wizarding world. Imagine how fun it would have been if he searched for the mythical beasts of ancient lore.
I vividly remember first hearing about the movie and being extremely puzzled at why it's not a story about that but a painfully shoehorned-in "passenger's PoV" of the wizard war plot. Even watching it later, I was like "wha huh, that only has fantastic beast stuff smeared on top as a disguise".
So you wanted live action wild thornberries?
@@joshinya66 Who I have to pay to get that? Because that sounds awesome.
@@joshinya66 that sounds awesome So yes magic wild thornberries
@@cattrucker8257 First movie was good. But then WB was like people hate Newt we should have next Harry Potter. They forgot that what people liked Harry Potter so much because books explained his perspective. First movie was really good. The second could be about Thunderbird. He calls him singing Indian song and convinces Queenie, Tina and Jacob on a journey to Arizona to release bird. The bird eats evil snakes that hypnotize and eat shamans (those snakes are actual Indian myths). So he gains gratitude of Indian people who agree to be on side of MACUSA. And you have historical regerence language one Native American tribe was modified used as a cypher against Germans and Japanese. It is material for a movie. Water Horse had budget of 40 mln and made 104mln.
One major problem is that JKR has no bloody idea what she’s doing. She clearly didn’t really plan anything out before deciding to do the screenplay for this series. Newt is a great character and so is Jacob and I really like Credence. The thought of the series leading up to the battle between Dumbledore and Grindelwald is so interesting. And then JKR just takes everything we previously knew about the canon and threw it out the window after shooting it in the head lighting it on fire. She has no plan and no organization and it shows Secrets of Dumbledore is the worst of the three to me because nothing makes sense in it to me. Not at all. Especially Credence being Aurelius because just,,,,, _how._ Dumbledore’s plan makes no sense because Grindelwald is a seer. Meaning, the future he sees is set in stone. It doesn’t matter if Dumbledore has six people doing six random things so they don’t know who has the qilin, *Grindelwald will just see the end results anyway.* Queenie has so much potential but does nothing and is just able to leave the terrorist cult so easily despite the risk of just joining Grindelwald could have killed you. I don’t like Tina, but she isn’t even really in the movie. Newt hates his brother and it’s largely due to his occupation but…Tina has basically the same job just in America. Leta literally meant nothing to no one in the end other than Yusuf…kinda. Grindelwald being excused for his major crimes to be able to run for a,,,,,,political position????? Makes no sense???????? The qilin is cute as hell but…why do they need to exist? Seeing the first one die was Bambi levels of cruel. And then the prophecy from the last movie meant absolutely nothing. It’s a prophecy, so it has to come true, so who is referee to as the one who returns with wings from the water? What was with the water phoenix symbol? What was that weird space Dumbledore fought Credence and Grindelwald in? Why didn’t they just apparate or use a port key to get to where the election was held with the qilin since Grindelwald proves you can just apparate away? And why is Credence just suddenly NOW dying? Just…..It’s a stupid mess Actually, in defense of Credence being…alive, a piece of him kinda slinks away behind a wall at the end of the first movie.
All points true. Credence is dying coz obscurial (allegedly a parasite that feeds on magic) that was causing earthquakes in 1rst movie. You'd think that since Credence is a lead in 2nd movie it would mean smth that he would join Newt's team but no. So the sacrefice Newt made is for nothing. The one who had most influence on that film must have really hated Newt
If she’d have done the same type of fantastic planning she’d done for the original series it could have been so much better.
Can we all agree that Mads Mikkelsen should have ALWAYS been cast as Grindelwald
No
@@a.3160 pretty sure if the lies AH told hasn’t happened the movie would probably have done slightly better, but because they decided to move on without Johnny it affected people actually wanting to watch it
@@a.3160 I've been a fan of Johnny Depp since the 80s and I can admit he was bad as Grindelwald. Mads Mikkelsen saved the character from the trash heap. I just couldn't see Dumbledore being in love with Johnny Depp's version of Grindelwald.
Mads is the PERFECT Grindlewald!!
Colin Farrell would have been a better choice all the way through
I really liked Newt as a character in the first movie. He was so empathetic and I liked his way of interacting with the other characters. I'm especially talking about him making new not-creature friends. He wasn't as bold as main heroes usually are, but that's exactly what I've enjoyed so much. That's why I find it sad that the producers have pushed him to the side. I couldn't care less about what they've pulled in the second movie, I haven't even watched it after reading that the main focus wouldn't be on Newt and the beasts.
I LOVED Newt. Pop Culture Detective has a great video about the first movie called “the fantastic masculinity of Newt Scamander” and it really summarizes why he was so compelling, to me at least. It really sucks that he became so unimportant in the series when he was the main appeal to me in the first movie lol
@@EF-kk3vh Yes, I've seen this one! I certainly agree with you.
Exactlyyyyy Newt was honestly one of the best character they had in it but they pushed him aside so we can watch a Dumbledore/Grindlewald yaoi.
@@EF-kk3vh Sadly his prediction turned out to be true, they totally took the focus away from Newt as a protagonist in the later movies, and put the focus in others that are more of the same trype of protagonists people are used to. Plus making a mess out of their own plot.
@@dontask9000 Ehm, let's not pretend the one line of dialogue that could easily be cut out for China after years of doing everything to not show Dumbledore's sexuality in canon (which yes, was relevant when the object of his affections was Grindelwald), was the cause of these movies failing
Fantastic Beasts should have been a "monster of the week" streaming show. Newt discovering and/or saving a new magical creature every episode was a guaranteed crowd pleaser...
no that'd actually make sense, can't have that
Snooze
it could’ve been a GOT-level cash cow series!!
Do like a National Geographic style pseudo documentary.
Kind of like Crocodile Hunter!
I don't understand studios' obsession with making everything a HUGE series of 12 blockbuster movies. Making one good movie about how Newt wrote his book, meeting all the Fantastic Beasts and logging them in his book, would have been so charming and delightful! It literally didn't need to have this big dark complicated plotline about Grindelwald. Like you said, leave that for another project. But nah, they tried to cram every possible plotline in one movie, and then completely cast aside the protagonist and TITLE OF THE MOVIE SERIES. Newt is such a quirky fun character, played by a remarkable actor who really made him unique and memorable, only to leave him *standing man emoji* everywhere and it''s an absolute tragedy.
Guess Hermione's parents didn't love her enough since the obliviate spell worked on them
There is a spell Newt uses in the second movie, "Appare vestigium", while looking for Tina. That spell alone completely obliterates the whole plot of Chamber of Secrets. Newt casts it and can see visual projections of what happened in that place moments before. Wow! If only someone at Hogwarts could use that spell to discover who is petrifing those kids, or who stole Riddle's diary from Griffindor's tower. Sadly, all Howgwarts' professors are dumbassess, and only Newt Schamander knows how to cast it. ps.: Double spacing fixed for those complaining. Incognito mode.
In the 3rd movie, Grindelwald uses two spells in the necromantic ritual that, not only do they not work like that, but one of them has been stated to have been created by Snape this entire time: Rennervate [which is supposed to awaken people from unconsciousness] and Vulnera Sanentur [a spell that, up till now, was thought to have been created by Snape as a countercurse to Sectumsempra, another spell that he's mentioned to have created]. Now apparently Vulnera Sanentur is just....a spell that exists this whole time. A spell that could literally heal any wound [and even revert blood flow] would've been VERY helpful throughout the entirety of the series.
@@AzureRoxe Neither Rennervate nor Vulnera sanentur were created by Snape. And Spells/Charms work in many different ways, thats why it is the more creative aspect of magic compared to transfiguration. The spell would have been very helpful but Hermione states the she doesn't feel that she could handle heal magic, so the spell wouldn't be used either. Also there are so many spells in the WW its probably far fetched to assume that everybody know every spell.
The inconsistent magic system is weirdly one of my favorite parts bc it really clarifies how completely destroyed the social systems of Harry Potter are 💀 how much learning new things, creating new things, and sharing & repurposing information... are just... not a part of thatcherism, so they like. They’re bashed in world. Like she says she loves learning but generally the only people freely sharing and building new information aren’t cast well at all.
@@tom-nb7dk this is the sort of knowledge vacuum I’m talking about. It’s a thing in our reality too, active ignorance. Like. Why. Why aren’t people learning real helpful things. Why are we okay with that even defensive of it. Like. That’s weird.
@@Lucifersfursona honestly this is really interesting and can you elaborate? Who is "she" in your comment btw? Is it jk rowling?
I can't believe we're living in a time where a Sonic movie both outperformed and was better than a Harry Potter movie
Ooof
I prefer this timeline
At least Sonic movies are decent and respect Sonic Fans 💀
Sonic says trans rights
Well, that's the world we live in.
A more action-oriented arc for Newt and respecting the essence of the plot would be that his rival was a beast dealer and he, over the course of one or a couple of movies, dedicated himself to saving them and dismantling their trafficking network.
Agree, Collin Ferral should have played Grindelwald in all 3 movies. Just have him obliviating everyone's memories, a lot of Imperio , etc to create the false identity of Graves. The reveal isn't a new person just that his name and paperwork was fake. I would also say no pact is necessary. Just fear and love restrain Dumbledore going after grindelwald for so long. Simple is always better. D feared G's power and still loved him
She could just write stories about Newt going on adventures, sort of like documentaries but in a magical world, and that would be far better than whatever this is.
Although, I don't feel bad for her at all. She has lost touch with her humanity as well as her creativity.
Agreed, that would be far more compelling, in my opinion. I've lost a lot of respect for Rowling after her transphobic comments, I really thought that she was better than that.
That was what the original writers of the first movie wanted but then they went to J.K and she completely changed it. Like completely.
Also, if they wanted to do prequels on Dumbledore, they could have. I mean, it has it all- high stakes, heroes, villains, tragedy, lovers to enemies, and magic. It could have worked. But obviously, it didn't.
yes I need a wizarding world David Attenborough documentary please
Gonna be honest, if the Fantastic Beast series would have focused on Newt and Jacob adventures investigating the wizardly world creatures, being self contained stories or maybe having an arc, but not one where the stakes are that high, with Jacob serving as the window for the audience tata are seeing everything for the 1st time, that would have been a better route imo
Wizard Steve Irwin, how hard is that
Magical Ace Ventura / Steve Irwin / Indiana Jones would have been one of the greatest franchises in movie history. I'm so freaking mad that didn't happen. Instead we got roped into a boring grim dark election fraud.
I agree! I had the impression that the movies would be about Newt trying to integrate magical beasts into a wizarding world who seemed very sceptical of them. Because in the hp era they clearly use magical beasts often in their everyday lives. Would have been really cool to see how they got there and have Newt be a big part of that. The Grinderwald/Dumbledore story could have been good on its own if they only focused on that instead of trying to mix it with Newt's story, which (as the video pointed out) was pretty much non-existent. It's like they struggled to write a compelling story about Newt and just gave up and said "let's just bring in that whole Grinderwald situation instead", but they immediately fumbed that story too. RIP to the harry potter universe
Yeah, keeping it small scale and intimate is often a better alternative than just going bigger in the sequels.
For the "Family film" types, maybe. But I wouldn't go near anything like that. That's what Pokemon is for. I feel it would have been best if they'd let FB be a stand alone. Who knows, maybe they could have done some FB spin offs. We really should have gotten that Grindewald-Dumbledore backstory Rowling promised us long ago, along with films about Grinwald's war. At least, that's what a lot of hardcore HP fans wanted. I knew the films were screwed the moment the focus began to go towards cutesy.cuddly creatures
Lally's accent is the only part of the series that actually feels like its from the 1920s/30s. 😂 It was common in Ameican films at the time.
Fantastic beasts 1: Actually about the Fantastic Beasts (almost) FB 2: about Others FB 3: about Dumbledore ..... SO... what happened to the Beasts?
I hate that we get one untypical male hero and his story ends like this. Newt is an awesome representation of those people (like myself), who are introverted, socially awkward, who are kind and caring, but can come across as weird and can struggle connecting with people. It was so amazing seeing somebody like that as the main character! I wish they stayed with that. Either leave the movie as a single story. Or do a series focusing on Newt exploring the world and learning about magical animals. I saw somebody in the comments call it magical pokémon and I'd take that! But what we get was just bad.
Agreed. We have more than enough dumb action heroes in movies; we need more characters like Newt, and ideally they should be done justice to. I only caught part of the first movie, but he seemed like a fun, sympathetic character and I don't like learning that he ended up in a bombastic 'beat the threatening baddie' story.
Check out the How to Train Your Dragon movies. Hiccup did the gentle conservationist hero thing before Newt, and he got to actually remain the central character to boot. Er, rhyme not intended.
Ngl I liked the protag who's introverted and socially awkward because it speaks to me as one. And the notion of understanding creatures as to why they go berserk and not think of them as danger is pretty neat. Such a shame.
It's also terrinle because it just had so much potential. I mean, seriously, the first movie I just thought "ok, it has massive potential but it was a bit wasted, maybe next movie is better" and then it was all downhill from there. Imagine if after the first movie the series focused on Newt going to places where magical beasts were in trouble and/or causing trouble, so he could get them into their nursery bag thing and relocate them. If they actually took advice from people working on that field to properly depict his dog whisperer/steve irwing antics such a series could have been AMAZING. Hell, even if they wanted to bring in harry potter characters, they could, say, have a movie where he gets hired by Hogwarts to deal with the magical equivalent of an invasive species that is infesting their grounds. Newt was great, the idea was great, but they forgot THEIR OWN BLOODY TITLE!
@@thespanishinquisition4078 Yeah, seems like the beasts stopped being a focal point entirely... They should've made the fight between the two big wizards a separate series.
I'm a wildlife ecologist who grew up on Animal Planet and Harry Potter. I LOVED what I thought was the initial idea for Fantastic Beasts, which would have been closer to what you described. I thought it'd be a great opportunity to explore the wider wizarding world as Newt wanders around looking for all these magical creatures. I loved Newt (and Eddie) in the first movie, but they basically took all the things that didn't work in the first one and made that the whole franchise. Such a letdown.
That would have been cool. Also Newt having respectful interactions with local communities while he researches the magical wildlife.
Yeah, the movies would have been a lot better if they leaned into the creature angle more. The title didn't even make sense after the second movie.
Yes! I actually loved the first movie just for Newt and the creatures alone and expected more of that in the other movies only to be incredibly let down lol
I was especially excited when Pottermore released the content about Illvermorny and international world schools I thought we were going to see newt travel to those countries and explore wizarding communities and beasts from different locations around the world
Fr, i thought this was going to be a movie where we could get that magizoology degree before the late letters came to our address 😅🤣
Am I the only one who remembers that the entire reason dumbledore dies is because he is not really that pure of heart?.. that he, in the end, sought power above all despite working most of his adult life to better himself?.. why is it kneeling to him? That was perhaps one of my favorite parts about the books, dumbledores ultimate flaw was also his downfall, it hits so close to home for me. Yet, in these movies he is just perfect already. He is already beyond wise and just as smart as his old age, if not smarter. Bis please. Good review though
Indeed but you know maybe that Quillin is also influenced by dark magic.
THANK YOU for bringing up that JK is basically a mystery writer (utilizing fantasy elements and tropes around the themes of the mystery genre! She’s primarily a mystery writer, not a fantasy writer. And by the way she walks all over what should have been her Wizarding World Bible, that is made more obvious.
The series should have just been about Jacob and Newt travelling around the world and making the book he eventually publishes !!
I thought that was going to be the entire point of the series. Him traveling the world and writing Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them. I was disappointed.
I was so confused and disappointed when at the end of the first movie the book is ALREADY PUBLISHED like ok then what’s the point of this being a saga???
This would’ve made for a fun series Makes me think of the lilo and stitch tv series where it’d be a creature-of-the-week scenario etc
I loved this and all your knowledge but as someone who liked the Scamanders back in 2011 I immediately went scrolling through the comments to see if anyone had mentioned this: Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them is NOT a children's book in canon. It's a textbook. One could argue that children use textbooks, but so do adults. Newt Scamander is a renowned magizoologist who I always figured was compared to Charles Darwin, Jane Goodall, Stephen Irwin, and David Attenborough. That book was meant to be HIS LIFE'S WORK. (The version published, I always figured, was a watered-down version of the in-universe book because JKR was not smart enough to actually write a magizoology textbook.) That honestly makes the treatment of his character and book even more egregious, in my opinion, because this man is an actual scientist who changed the (Western) wizarding world's understanding of the environment and magical creatures and they just shoved him aside as someone unimportant and only influential due to his proximity to people like Dumbledore. No! He is a titan of a scientist!! Not a spy or whatever the fuck! Also this whole family made me even more excited that Luna Lovegood married into the Scamander family, because it means that the premiere magizoology family in the wizarding world heard about all her wrackspurts and things and found them intriguing, not ramblings. There was so much potential here and they just ignored it and it's frustrating!!
you do have some interesting points!
Yes, THANK YOU, I've only seen a few people mention this
If they made Luna like Neville like the movies/fans wanted he could've written a 2nd volume, "Magical Plants and Where to Find them"
Thank you! It’s a text book used for fairly upper level coursework at Hogwarts. It’s not a children’s book. Arguably Tales of Beedle the Bard actually is and actually would have been pretty cool to adapt. Some of the stories in the fictional Harry Potter in-universe book are actually pretty dark. Also since it’s wizard-world magical fiction, if you bend the magic rules presented in HP it really doesn’t matter. As it’s a fiction within the fiction. (Even if the story of the 3 brothers isn’t entirely untrue within the universe of HP).
Lmfao. Y’all expect way too much. This isn’t real. Why tf would Rowling make an actual f*cking textbook of Fantastic Beasts. Your ass would be too dumb to make that too. This fandom is so ridiculously entitled and stupid. 😂
Fantastic Beasts was the perfect pitch for a tv series. But yeah, the real turn down here as you said, is the absolute lack of mistery. Instead we have wanna be grandiose storylines that end up being boring and irrelevant. At least no one destroyed the franchise but the original creator, thank you J.K.
I don't understand why Fantastic Beast couldn't just be a film on its own. You want to make a series of movies about Grindelwald? Don't write them under the title "Fantastic beast and where to find them" only to struggle to fit the freaking fantastic beasts in the movies; just start a brand new movie series called "The crimes of Grindelwald", make it a three part thing since those seem to work, and maybe have Newt and the others appear as a sort of cameo, while keeping Dumbledore and Grindelwald as the sole protagonists. It seems like such a no brainer for me.
A defense to Dumbledore not explaining and seemingly able to predict almost everything is pretty consistent with Dumbledore’s portrayal in Harry Potter
I think that might be more of an indictment of Dumbledore in the original series rather than a defense of him in this one... 😬
@@LoganBluth yeah but people do call him out on it in the original series and there’s a tension between trusting Dumbledore and being frustrated with him. Dumbledore at one point does admit some of the faults in this behavior and is part of the motivation of him asking for Harry’s forgiveness in limbo.
The movie went overboard with "Character Predicting Everything", instead of making it smart, it made it look stupid. I was fine with Prisoner of Azkaban when Dumbledore predicted the consequences of the time turner, it made him look wise. In Secrets of Dumbledore, predicting what transpired with Jacob and Lally crosses the trope of "Character Read The Script".
more like everything is pretty consistent with jk rowling being a bad writter
with some really good writing from someone who knows the source material it could be explained in the next film
The concept of a fun adventure following Newt while he looks for magical animals is so good. I don't understand how they messed it up.
Wizard Steve Irwin, how hard is that?
They could have done this and gone the Indiana Jones route. Instead of having the fight against Grindelwald be the central theme of every movie, Each one could have been about a new going after a particularly rare and very powerful animal that just happened to have some of Grindelwald's agents trying to interfere for their own reasons. It would have made the stories a lot more manageable and maybe more interesting, too.
@@johnmccarron7066 a plot like that could also be stretched out into a whole damn series. Season 1: these bad dudes are going after these creatures, what do they want with them? Season 2: the bad guys have obtained the creatures and we found out why they want them, now we need to stop them. Season 3 (or more), ????
@@Sarah_H this is so good
My first HP disappointment was the 4th movie especially since I saw they didn't want to stay true to the books, so it's not surprising that the FB series seemed like a money grab to me. And I must admit that as soon as Jonny was cast out I also lost all interest in giving WB my money. Like even if they had gone the old low-budget-Buffy-monster-of-the-episode series routh, I would have watched it, but the movies... It all seemed so forced to the point that you need a plane to get over the plot holes or to get the will to re-watch the previous movies so that you'd have a chance of understanding the new one (because for me they are that forgettable ) . I also hated how the books ended with the war and then suddenly 15 years later, I felt that there was at least one movie of rebuilding the society, about the families and the struggle of people who lost loved ones, about uniting the both sides of the conflict and their own personal stories, how Malfoy and his band of supporters have to rebuild their lives because their families were on the loosing side and about the Order and their losses. This was a very long way to explain why even Dumbledore's name in the title didn't make me want to see the movie, but in my case it was an accumulation of disappointments that couldn't be overcome by a cool trailer.
One thing I do want to point out is the no-mags at the end of the first movie were not obliviated via the spell. Newt used the venom from the swooping evil which he told them had powerfull obliviative like properties and had told Jacob earlier in the film that it was used to eliminate bad memories.
Idk if anyone did this yet but: “Listen - strange creatures electing leaders based on subjective measures of morality is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical magical ceremony.”
If anyone can do it better, pls chime in
The best thing to come out of the Crimes of Grindelwald and Secrets of Dumbledore is the fact that Harry Potter fans can completely disregard everything that happens in them as non-canon because of how many insane plot holes they create.
Already got practice doing that with The Cursed Child lol.
at the end of this video when it explain Dumbledore can't defeat Grindelwald yet because it's not the correct year I was like "but why start following established canon now?"
When I walked out of theater after watching Crimes of Grindlewald, I felt something I had never felt with Harry Potter before and thought I would never feel, franchise burnout. I think my general thoughts were "are you kidding me?" When I left that theater that day, I knew I was not going to be watching the next sequel and all the gossip mag fodder that happened afterward BTS just made that decision easier over time
@@tinyblueunicorn7807 we're used to it. Also the whole Credence thing makes me furious.
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It should have been an episodic series where Newt travels around, writing his little book, dragging this poor muggle along, getting in occasional trouble with the local wizard police, and the FANTASTIC BEASTS get centre stage.
That sounds like something Pratchett would have written, and I'm here for it!
The muggle dude (I don't remember his name because he's pointless) is the worst comedic relief I've ever seen. 😂
I was so sad when the movie wasn't about saving a wacky unicorn, or something like that. Have newt save circus animals, have him stop a dragon from burning down a muggle city. Have the ministry of magic hire him to take care of monster problems that would jeopardize their secrecy. Hell! Have him go and discover the abuse those shrunk dragons go through in order to be ready to fight in the games! Have him help the catchers ethically catch and release the dragons. There is so much that I could have been excited for!
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@@fagiolification11idk man. I think his name was Jacob. I liked him quite a bit. The concept of a muggle suddenly being thrust into this new magical world could be really interesting. Especially if the story was more focused around the beasts and he went around interacting with all the magical creatures and discovering that magic is real. He’s a good audience surrogate. Yea his comedy is weird but that’s not the only thing his character is there for
Oh yes my favourite blood pact: the one that prevents you from killing each other until you want to kill each other!
Why couldn't we just have a fun magizoologist TV series where we follow Newt and his fun little creatures adventuring all over the world??? And perhaps ONE dramatic movie about Dumbledore and Grindelwald and their messy breakup.
What I loved about the HP franchise is how the characters dealt with grief, especially Harry who was haunted for years at the memory of Cedric and Sirius Black's death, and Snape who never forgot about Lily Evans and made protecting her child his life's mission as a way to ease the pain from being involved in her death. Meanwhile in Fantastic Beasts...just like you said, Leta Lestrange was the love of the life of both Scamander Brothers and they seem to never mention her again💀💀💀💀
Poor Leta lol but you are right, grief and how to deal with those difficult emotions are so important in the movies, Harry all his life wished his parents were alive, and there is plenty of deaths in HP as an orphan I do relate lol
Interesting way Snape chose to "protect" him
I actually really liked the first movie. I like everything about Newt, the way he interacts with his surroundings and nearby persons, the friendships he establishes aso. And i really like the biology-trope hes going for with his pets. Like his own sidequest. But yes, I dont really get the whole villain-action-trope kinda thing. It shouldve been just an amazingly beautiful and astethically pleasing movie and thats it.
I agree with everything you said here. It felt like the same world but also had fresh new feel to it
The first is an overrated MESS imho.
I fully agree. I think the first movie was stellar. The second ruined it so badly I refuse to give any more money to it. And that's saying something because I liked FB1 more than any HP movie except HP3.
The first one was average. I think David Yates dropped the ball. It should have been bright and colorful like Philosopher's Stone. I don't know why the filmed a ton of scenes in night time. The color grading was bland. The American Wizarding World was boring. Newt and Jacob were great. Tina and Queenie were one-dimensional.
Hermione’s parents must’ve fucking hated her if she obliviated them
One thing I will note is that, after being obliviated, you can actually get your memories back. We see that with Hermione in Deathly Hallows. She wipes her parents memories, gives them new identities in Austrailia, and then restores their memories shortly after the war.
So cruel of her. Should've sent them to Canada.
In the books she used an advance memory charm to add/modify their memories. She did not use Obliviate to remove the memories. After she went and found them after the war, she was able to lift the advanced memory charms to restore their memories.
@@whomigazone That's true. With Fantastic Beasts though, I tend to count it more in the movie canon than the books. But that's just me lol
One of my biggest pet peeves in this franchise is Credence and his magical journey. He went from a muggleborn with magic so repressed that it started to explode him from the inside to someone who could blow up mountains and DUEL DUMBLEDORE in, what, two years???? Why go to Hogwarts for 7 years of education when apparently you don't even need to know spells or anything to be super powerful?
But it’s not like Credence could do shit against Dumbledore. Sure, he is somewhat powerful, but he doesn’t know how to control that darkness within him. He was unbalanced, unfocused, and untrained, - and Dumbledore whooped his ass easily.
@@GabesEdtiz and presumably Grindelwald and his inner circle could’ve been giving him lessons off screen, which should’ve been on screen or at least hinted to
That Was planed from the start. He was adoptet
Luke went from having no experience whatsoever to defeating vader in what, 3-5 years? Why start your force training at a young age and use decades to perfect it if all you need is 2 years with yoda to defeat a walking apocalypse
It's kind of insane how many great spin-offs to harry potter they could have made, how much potential and amazing characters there are still to explore, and yet they chose... This story.
A voldemort growing up and rising to power movie would have been amazing
@@SlipperyNips one about james, lily and friends would have worked just great
Fans have been begging for a Marauders prequel for years, and I personally would love a sequel set in modern times, just to see what Hogwarts would be like in a world of increased technology. There were so many options.
There are 11 wizarding schools in the wizarding world. Imagine a series set in one of them?
If they were gonna make a movie about the dumbledore/grindelwald saga, maybe don’t call it the fantastic beasts movies? Just focus on those guys. Yeah, we know the eventual outcome but you can still do some cool stuff with that.
One of my biggest pet peeves about the franchise is that I loved Newt’s character in the first movie, I liked his eccentric manners and personality and was genuinely invested to see more about his past (specially with Leta, who was hinted as a major plot point for him but ended up doing nothing), it’s really sad to see he has hardly any screen time in his own saga
16:28 weirdly Dumbledore has invented a charm against hair loss and became obsessed with fashion thats probably happen when you killed your sister, defeated your lover and was teacher of defence against dark arts for 50 years
It feels like JK almost wanted to do like a Forest Gump type thing with Newt, where he’s just there for major historical events by happenstance but she’s not a good enough writer to pull that off effectively so she just goes “eh he’s just there now”
An interesting point!
Good nailing there
This makes sense to me
Is it actually JK Rowling writing the stories of Fantastic Beast? if so damn she fell off hard wtf.
@@_saintcloudAfter googling, yes.
It always makes me laugh at Joanne wanted a pat on the back for her “gay representation” when said representation was shoehorned in after the series was completed and a half ass plot in these movies. Eye contact and vague conversations doesn’t equal a gay relationship Joanne
Rowling has the same logic as a shipper where 2 strangers glancing at each other means they're deeply in love.
Also the relationship presented is one of the worst, most toxic relationships ever. Not to say that gay relationships can't be portrayed as toxic, but most of JKRs straight couples are picture perfect, white picket fence with two kids and a dog kinda couples and the gay one is like ummm, here you go one young man with wizard supremacist ideals and one literal wizard n*zi who later battle to the death and are also responsible for the death of a family member.
I can understand why it wasn't more included in the books, because the focus wasn't on Dumbledore's love life but on his morals. But the way it was portrayed in Fantastic Beasts is outrageous. They had all the reasons to show the romantic aspect of their relationships.
@@kaitlinrose7202 Blockbusters can make lots of money without China but Hollywood wants *all* the money
@@kaitlinrose7202 Incredibly true! However, if all it takes is a removal of 2 lines equalling 6 seconds to allow it in china then it wasn't that great anyways, like that one line in the onward Pixar movie. It's great to see but doesn't necessarily make it pat on the back "you did it!" rep, doesn't help that Warner Bros even said the editing out of those 6 seconds were unimportant
I couldn't agree more with each flaw you point out! One of the things that bothered me the most was the blood pact.. To me, it's a terrible mistake with the character building of Dumbledore: In HP7, I assumed/understood that the reason Dumbledore didn't go chase and fight Grindelwald as soon as G started doing bad things, and instead he waited many years before doing so, is because Dumbledore is always reluctant to act when he's emotionally involved (just like when he waited so many years before telling Harry why Voldemort tried to kill him when he was a baby, because he was kinda scared/reluctant to see Harry freaking out, panicking and suffering, because he really likes Harry, he has an emotional bond with him), and Grindelwald was someone he LOVED, so there is no need of any blood pact or whatsoever! He couldn't bring himself to go, confront and fight someone he loved, even if it meant the death of many people (Dumbledore also told something like that to Harry, that 'nevermind if many people suffered, as long as Harry was fine?') The blood pact was a very cold, practical and rational reason for Dumbledore not fighting Grindelwald, although the 'real' reason to me was emotional, and showed that Dumbledore is HUMAN, with his flaws and weaknesses, just like we were seen in HP.
The situation with tina is so ridiculous it's hilarious, tina was written off lazily but what gets me is thaf she's "busy from head auror matters" and then to replace her they bring in newt's brother, a head auror 😂 it's so petty it's amazing. It takes effort to be so childish in front of so many people.
I'm a big Harry Potter fan. Here's what I wanted from the Fantastic Beast series: Newt running around the globe being an advocate for the magical creatures while showing us what the magical and non-magical cultures look like in various countries. The conflicts would center on the issues animal-rights advocates deal with every day: exploitation, hunting, encroachment on territory, pollution, etc. This is the story where Newt as protagonist would shine. His enthusiasm, knowledge of the creatures, frustrations at the people, and weakness in communication would all make for a fantastic story as he finds the help he needs from the people in each place. If you want to do Grindelwald and Dumbledore, do a different spinoff.
Also the plot writes itself, in a sense. There are so many enviromentalist tropes that remain untapped in fantasy and only appear in historical or scifi settings, like the "extinction from collection" that actually happened to some real species, where "gentleman scientists" collected (this means almost exlcusively "killed") so many specimen to research them that the species went extinct because of it. Which opens up a bunch of different perspectives, like the lesson that you can destroy something by loving it too much. Most of this researchers two centuries ago were not sociopaths who captured lizards in bottles for the sake of it, many loved nature, they were fascinated and in total awe, yet they ruined everything they touched because they didn't know better or refused to see the consequences.
Exactly! That's the vibe I got from first movies. Like the wizard community will see those beasts as enemy while Newt see them as a friend. And there will be conflicts. There will be bad guy who believe those beast should be retained or prisoned or killed. Well from second movie, it's like a whole wizard war.
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YES! Yes exactly!!
Secrets of Dumbledore was, and I am not kidding, one of the most exhilarating moviegoing experiences of my life. From like the 10 minute mark onwards my jaw was consistenly dropping to the floor. I simply could not believe what I was witnessing. Time and time again I went "did they just really go there?" in my head. It was almost experimental in how antithetical it was to storytelling and filmmaking. It was not just a bad film, I dare say it's one of the worst pieces of storytelling of the 21st century. I'm talking "My Immortal" or "The Room" level. Literally nothing about that movie made sense. I left the theater utterly flabbergasted and my mind blown.
For me I literally just sat there and was waiting for something awesome to happen and when it was over I was like: Oh, it's already over? Well, that was... underwhelming.
@@nick3805 fr. I was honestly having a great time bc my friends and I were constantly rating the characters on how much they make us bi panic but that's literally it. We spent the ENTIRE movie laughing and joking because nothing interesting happened. I didn't leave the movie theater unsatisfied but like 2 days later it really hit how I wasted my money.
@@ot7biasedmashups Kinda hard to do with your mother through... O.O
@@nick3805 lmaoooooo
Wtf is my immortal?
Albus as puppetmaster is a very well-established trope in the franchise.
They suck because they were made to squeeze cash out of HP fans, not that there was a story to be told. Same issue with Star Wars, just corporate greed siphoning out creativity 🤷♂️
If only this franchise was actually Steve Irwin's magical road of fantastic beasts around the world and ended with Newt writing the damn book and seeing it in the hands of kids learning what he's passionate about. We can only dream. Edit: Also I was one of the few fans who wasn't "huh" when it was announced. I wanted them to leave HP alone but stay in the world, so making a series about the beasts was amazing! And 5 movies I was stoked because so many monsters! And then we got the WORST Grindeldore fic in existence played by Jude Law and Mads Mickelsen.
I think the biggest issue with this franchise is that while newt is the main character he pretty much had his own story taken from him (being a magical environmentalist, which I would have rather had) and used as a jumping point for everyone else. If they wanted the series to be about dumbledore they should have just done that from the start.
Dumbledore doesnt work as the Main Protagonist.
@@indedgames4359 why not?
@@indedgames4359 don't be shy share thy wisdom
@@indedgames4359 agreed, he works better as a supporting character. It’s disappointing how newt got shoved out of the way for him
They should have just had the premise of Newt going on wacky adventures discovering/taking notes on different creatures instead of whatever the hell we got.
It's not stated that Dumbledore is DADA teacher. He just teaches a DADA lesson. Maybe the teacher is sick, maybe back in the day lessons about a creature that TURNS INTO YOUR WORST FEARS, was actually taught in transfiguration. I mean I'm not saying that's the case, but it's not unreasonable. What IS unreasonable is to assume he is the DADA teacher because we see him teach a class ONCE.
It's so degrading that Joanne didn't even bother to check the (fan-made) Wikias and other sites dedicated to *her* IP to make the canon line up. I mean, just Google any of the characters and you see date of birth and basic plot points they are involved in... It is simple carelessness and arrogance on her part. Even if you're willing and/or able to look past all the problematics, that disinterest should be the final nail in the coffin
Jo always did that. I remember that back before the main series was finished she said in one interview she never *rereads* *her* *books* . My mind was blown. Because even if you keep detailed notes, you still need to reread your earlier works in the series to keep consistency. Also around GOF she lost her consistency editor and never got another one. At that point, she was so popular she could push back on any pointers her editor gave her and her publisher would let her do whatever she wanted to keep her happy. And this is why starting from GOF HP books look more like bricks than normal books.
@@wardrobewings8000 She can just edit her books later though to resolve any consistency issues, and she clearly did so. There's not really a need to go back and re-read your previous books in a series you're writing unless for whatever reason you wouldn't be able to polish up the story with some edits and changes after it's finished.
She used a fan-made wikia for OOTP, but then sued the creator of said wikia when they decided to make a book out of it
@@wardrobewings8000 Was that bad in the case of the last three books though? If anything, especially HBP profited a lot from not having cut a whole lot. I could imagine much of Voldemorts backstory wouldn't have sat right with editors, and 80% of the worldbuilding outside of Hogwarts takes place in OoP. My personal pet theory is that she was barely, if at all, involved with the screenplays of these movies. She gave the screenwriters some basic notes and that was it. From what i've been seeing, she very much has moved on from HP as a whole, as when you check in on her blog or personal YT channel, she talks a lot more about her crime series these days than Harry Potter.
I thought the whole point about "confusing Grindewald" was because they said he could see into the future. Which makes more sense... except that I don't remember him ever having this ability before and the whole movie still doesn't make sense
Okay can I just say that in the books, Aberforth is clearly and distinctly Albus’ YOUNGER brother! JK is fully forgetting her own plot points now.
"JK is fully forgetting her own plot points now." She's not the only writer on this. And what stays or goes was out of her hands.
@@Dude_Slick she's been heavily involved in all of the movies up to that point though?
@@the_last_ballad The movie rights no longer belong to her. She was heavily involved till the point that she denied the radical transgender ideology they're cramming down our throats.
@@Dude_Slick she made hermione black
@@Dude_Slick Are you sure she's leftist? The harry potter franchise has a shit ton of christian influence in its writing and narrative (not nessacarily a bad thing). Feels more like rowling is more central when it comes to politics if I'm going to be honest. Also unfortunately for us, apparently they are rebooting the movies... so looks like we're gonna have to suffer through whatever garbage they do to that series (like any remake that isn't needed)
as a brazilian, i can’t even describe how disappointed i was when the third film didn’t take place in brazil but in germany
What I will never understand is why they decided not to let newt be the driving force in his own movies. You have a very likable, most likely autistic, animal handler that is willing and able to see the goodness in damn near every creature including people but he is uncomfortable with that animal in particular. That is an amazing setup for a series. Because of his lack of caring or interaction with the wider world of wizarding and muggles you also allow your audience to experience fresh new things at the same time. It's the perfect setup and they threw it away for Dumble-Lore. Also they turned best girl into a literal mindcontroling magic Nazi and I just won't take that one sitting down.
I think they could have told a very powerful story about a young boy who doesn't seem to fit in anywhere except around nature and the wildest creatures the human mind could come up with. And him learning to take his own path in life doing what makes him happy but no... we had to end up with this mess
This! When they first announced this series, I thought it would be a biographical movie about Newt's life, since that's basically the closest thing the book had to a plot, and I was excited for it, but then we got... This
I like the first one. It's simple, self contained and its a nice cute romp through a different side of a beloved world. Characters are easy to like and endearing, Effects are the best of the series (CGI wise anyway) and the plot is kinda unique in how the main characters basically lose but manage to salvage it into a win.
They really should’ve just left it to one movie :/
The bloodpact is stupid on another level because in the second movie the pokemon stole it from Grindelwald, so that Dumbledore can fight him. So either the second movie never happend or the whole third movie Dumbledore just doesnt want to fight him.
Personally, I like the first movie despite a couple of weak points. It had a good storyline and the plot twist was surprising, and the idea of a clumsy rather shy dude whose main interest is magical zoology gets dragged on in wild shit was attractive. The other 2 movies were pointless, boring and full of plot holes. And 100% not magical beasts. They should have made a TV series with Newt & his beasts in light-hearted adventures. And then whatever with Dumbledore & Grinewald elsewhere, if they REALLY NEEDED it.
The thing I hated the most was that the creature at the end of the third movie selected Dumbledore as the one with the purest heart (or however they phrase it). In the HP series Dumbledore is a good character but still morally grey, not at all a 100% pure soul. I feel like Newt or the Muggle (can't remember his name) would have actually been a better choice.
yeah i found that weird too.
Yes, a lot of people thought it should have chosen Jacob (the Muggle baker). That would have been awesome on so many levels..Greindenwald is like Hitler and to him, the Muggles are like the despised, unworthy race that should bee exterminated...and for the magical creature to choose a Muggle...glorious comeuppance! It would be like when Jesse Owens beat all the blond Germans at the Olympics with Hitler watching.
Pitch Meetings even mentioned the creature kneeling in front of Jacob (the muggle) would have been a powerful message to the rest of the wizarding world about muggles.
Jkr’s opinion of dumbledore is really fucking ominous for her real life ethics. He made an army of child soldiers and committed assisted suicide with one of multiple boys-then-men he groomed to adore him and crave his approval, while he lied to their faces about helping them. (Snape, Harry, and Tom are the main three boys from broken homes that got their shit wrecked by Dumbledore “caring” about them, but people like Sirius also got royally screwed putting their faith and trust in this twinkly old man, who was more invested in his little game of war than that real people, almost all of them children- the most controlled and harmed by him longterm being abused boys, great I hate it) He’s happy to say he’s the only man Voldemort fears, but conveniently offs himself before they ever fight, leaving an army of children ages 11-17, some of whom literally named themselves Dumbledore’s Army, to fight a man he’d defeated in multiple combats by that point. A wizard with his knowledge and acclaim, especially in books by a person like jkr, doesn’t get to be so foolishly “sentimental” over and over in patterns that routinely benefit him and his public perception while grievously harming minors, and still get the benefit of the doubt. He’s not a sentimental old fool with a big heart that gets his calculations into trouble, he’s an incredibly talented abusive manipulator, when Dumbledore looks in the mirror of desire he sees himself a benevolent king carried to a throne he most humbly deserves. Dumbledore, if he’s as smart and calculating and jkr wants him to be, can’t be the kindly old man, because any person that treats the lives of children in his care like an amuse bouche for his self aggrandizing fascist tangents, is anything but kind.
It doesn’t actually make sense since it was the one reason Dumbledore never entered that line of work - in government I mean. As far as I remember, he literally said he can’t even trust himself when he’s given too much power… 💀
The direction this franchise took is genuinely fascinating for all the wrong reasons. It's like if someone made a story where R.L. Stine played a vital role in the Salem Witch Trials.
that would be hilarious.
53:12 let's be honest, the wizards celebrating the idea of an immediate world war from someone they believe is meant to be "pure of heart" feels pretty on brand when you remember how much wizards look down upon other sentient beings 😅