IMCF 2015 1 vs 1 Longsword Part-1

That's because in 1v1, you score as many point with a sword blow as with a takedown. In melees, there are no point, when you are down, you are out, and that's it.

@@captainzorikh Still it's supposed to be a grand melee not a grand wrestling match.

@@JDStone-jg8cg There is no rule against wrestling, and wrestling was done in period, so it is what it is.

that is exactly what would happen

Yes. It was a sad day when people who worked for a living got enough free time and disposable income to take up hobbies. That meant that the privileged classes were no longer the only ones who could do things like this.

Well, you aren't allowed to stab. So yeah they would think they are failing.

Sionso Schwalts medieval swords aren't and weren't for stabbing

no shit. But they would appreciate that future generations have kept there way of fighting, or at least try to carry on their historical past in some perspective.

sounds like suffering

😂😂😂😂😂

Japan, I have heard, are interested in introducing Jousting in the 2020 olympics

this should replace the olympics

Hell yeah

@@ZenbasTim that didn’t age well

@@ahh5516 damn:(

Black Phillip was about to comment that xD

What??

+Jay man "American Knight" is a figure of speech that juxtaposes elements that appear to be contradictory, an Oxymoron. There have never been knights in the americas, at least if you don't count Batman. This is a fantasy league which actually would be more accurate and fun if Team USA shows up in Darth Vader Armor with lightsabers. Anyway, I enjoy adults beating the shit out of each other for fun, so please go on.

Jens Krause Haha I get it now, thanks for clearing that up.

+Jens Krause Oh, there are a lot of "knights" in America. Google Pennsic. We've been basically doing this since the 1970s. Also, your connection to a bunch of dudes from 700 years ago is barely less tenuous.

+ArchNME Knights where steel encasted state-of-the-art battlefield soldiers, well trained professionals using a horse on the way to work. "Knight" is furthermore a noble title bestowed on one with direct legal consequences. Are you sure that is somehow an appropriate description of "American Knights"? I'm sorry, I don't want to offend with my opion, I actually enjoy to watch these events. May I have a question for you: If you hear a good chinese Rock'n'Roll Band in China, would you just accept it as original? This is the awkward feeling I tried to comment on, really with no disrespect to anybody doing this kind of roleplay and sport.

They're not trying to end each other rightly.

U learn that from stallagrim's channel?

Yep =)

Good to "meet" a fellow fan! Your comment made me chuckle :D

Haha, awesome. I'm glad some people got the reference ^__^

@@papitas4225 there blunt but still hella scary i bet

The ref should be wearing a fencing mask at least. The swords may be blunt, but a steel bar to the face isn't good for anyone.

Might be good to start with HEMA. Less concussions. Any luck so far though?

⁠​⁠@@aliteralflamingpileofgarba6236 HEMA and Bunurt are two very different things. As a fan of both, Buhurt is often far less technical than HEMA on average, and is more sport-like.

Why not use hybrid fencing mask to protect the eyes ?

+Praskful Limits the vision too much.

+Praskful I guess the whole idea is to find a sport where you can fight in medieval armour. If the armour changes to a more practical alternative, it doesn't look like medieval fighting anymore and would lose a lot of it's appeal. Also not only are eyes a problem but the throat and neck as well. It appears as if you can't have both. If you want realistic medieval fighting arts you have to pratice alone, against a dummy or with very modern protection and bendable aluminum swords that won't 100% feel like real swords. If you want to fight in medieval armour, you have to find rules that limit the injury risk to a reasonable level.

If killing your opponent is a possibility, then yeah, prohibiting stabbing reduces possibilities. (Stabbing is the only effective technique for penetrating armor?) Because there is no threat of death, it is just two "blokes" whacking each other with strips of spring steel. Atleast in fencing the one being attacked is obliged to defend himself. It is kind of ridiculous when both swordsmen are violently hacking at each other without attempting to defend the other's attack.

The rules in this game could definitely be improved. Currently it gives too much advantage to people's physical weight. I think there should be some consideration on a point or elimination system. It would be expensive, but maybe within reason, to put pressure sensors over vital areas and say that a hard enough hit there results in "death". Depending how much money they want to put in, very realistic fighting could be possible, but the better question is whether fights that only last about 5 minutes and are mostly defensive like in real life would be interesting to watch. Its a balancing act of money, sport-fairness, and entertainment.

Unless we go to real war.

*Invasion. USA hasnt been part of a honest textbook war since 1945

The Belgian, Austrian, and Spanish fighters in particular showed a capable amount of skill and knowledge. The American fighter obviously puts little thought into his fighting and just makes me cringe.

I made a documentary about the US team that includes an extensive interview with the USA fighter here. I will post some bits of it on my channel so you can get a better idea of what's going on in his head.

Ahem! Québec has a frontier with NY, VT, NH and Maine... So he's not an European. Those fights are just for fun anyway. Don't take it all so seriously, eh? ;)

Could do with less blue

I know right? I always wondered about that, what American knights would look like if it was a medieval (and european of course) kingdom, and now I have an answer.

Never trust a man in a tunic...

@@noahgilbert8630 I understood that reference

Spencer Bilodeau mh, i just can't see them apply any ususal HEMA technique here. i mean there are so many especially for fighting against armored opponents. nearly all of them just hack away freely.

Spencer Bilodeau thanks! :)

+Spencer Bilodeau I don't think the longsword side of this is HEMA yes HEMA is an umbrella term that covers many things from antiquity clear up to WWII but as much fun as this is to watch (and its bad ass) its not historical fighting, at least not the longsword side of it. If anything this sport further adds to the misconception of huge knights in overly bulky and heavy armor swinging super heavy swords at each other with little to no skill. I have an HMB/ravencrest battle of the nations long sword and its more like an iron bar in sword form. The armor is often times 10 gage or more (that's thick!) and you do not chop your longsword at another mans full harness(this will only destroy your sword tire you out and get yourself killed) As far as the impact weapons go then ya that's about how it was done, more Abrazare and rondel fighting would be nice but I understand their safety concerns. Don't get me wrong I enjoy the hell out of participating and watching this sport but as far as the longsword goes this is complete rubbish. I would like to see them ether start half-swording and using real techniques or lose the the full harness and go strait to gambason longsword sparring. What do you think friend I would enjoy to here your rebuttal.

+Spencer Bilodeau (repost from below) I got sick of this argument on KZhead and I went and trained with the UK Fed team for a weekend (I've been doing HEMA for about 8 years) Firstly, the guys that actually do this don't call it historical, and don't call it HEMA, and don't really give a fuck about historicity, they just enjoy clubbing the fuck out of each other in full armour with steel weapons. Secondly, while it's not really all that interesting to me from a HEMA perspective, I can say that having done it now, there is definitely some value in donning full plate harness and giving and receiving strikes with full force. Obviously you aren't practicing armoured fighting techniques, but there's a reason that some tourneys seem to have been organised on similar lines; it takes a lot of conditioning both physical and mental to get used to fighting in armour. Thirdly, this is way, way harder than it looks, and my main criticism of the sport now (those who do it refer to it as a sport, not a martial art) is that it's incredibly dangerous and only a matter of time before someone gets killed. That said, it's really fun and the guys I met through doing it are a great laugh, I advise anyone who's interested to give it a go before forming an opinion about it by watching KZhead videos. I had to take two flights and four days off work to do this for a weekend. This is not HEMA, nobody that does it calls it HEMA, nobody that does HEMA and tried it would call it HEMA, you don't know what you're talking about.

+Jake Norman well said, and I agree, this sport is cool and you do learn allot in fighting with full harness, but ya not HEMA and we need more people like you to let that facts be known, cool HELL YA HEMA NO or in other terms (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡 @xxxx[{::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::> ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) NOOOOOO

Ah, but it protects his head and neck. I tis a bit of a tradeoff. The best neck protection limits neck mobility.

Yeah but his helmet kicks ass so it's a good tradeoff

I got that too

To be fair they were also going through a mini ice age

Master uley, force of svan, and medieval extreme are all good starting points!

+Enriqe64 I'm not sure about the rest of his armor, but I've seen sugarloaf helms like that go for about $400+ easily if they are really well made.

Probably about $2,500 - $3,500

IT depends upon the specific competition. Most of the times yes. But in singles matches like this they don't count for points.

Anime Tatertot im sure its also hard to see in those helmets. And with the weight on your arms and legs and im sure your movements in general would be sluggish and inaccurate

New England is in America lol. Your comment would've made more sense if you had said you were glad someone from the US was fighting that wasn't wearing the national colors.

Usually the chainmail is under the helmet regardless of helmet, the chainmail part is called a chainmail coif (head part) and the neck part would be a chainmail gorget, the helmet is practical for vision and weight as well as a protected head which I think was worn by archers to deflect arrows.

Tell that to all the armchair historians in the comments. Lol

TH?e eyeholes are small enough that the risk is minimized. Also, stabbing is not allowed.

USA wasn't cool enough to be in the medieval history

safferoth exactly who usa kicked the ass?

@@2h4d0wDK Ratio'd + shitty luck on the time scale + not cool enough to be in medieval history

No

They have polearm weapons, including axes.

This particular competition was a longsword competition. There are other competitions for maces, and, of course, there are the melees, in which you can use whatever weapon you want (within the rules). Check out the other videos on this channel and my channel to se more.

If they get hit by a mace while wearing plated armor, it could cause some serious injury and concussions.

Well, against chain they should be thrusting more, and against plate they should be halfswording.

+Simon Dean Can't really thrust 'through' realistic mail armour...

+Simon Dean they probably don't stab each other for safety reasons...but it does kinda take some of the cooler sword fighting stuff out

Why don't any of the polearm users sweep people off their feet? Seems like the only other way to utilize a pole if you can't poke or are facing an opponent much heavier than yourself.

The Salt Of Ages Opponent much heavier than yourself? Poke him in the face. In all seriousness though, I suggest you look at the german treatises/Codex....a lot of polearm use is hooking behind especially the knee and trying to sweep off the feet...however sweeping someone off their feet, not an easy task.

So long as you do not stab him with the point, yes.

The swords are blunt but they are hard metal. I just joined a group of medieval fighters and it is really fun and exhausting when fighting with these weapons. We use hard plastic swords for practicing with little armor and when we have the full metal gear on, we use the metal swords. Hopefully this helps

Yes, so long as you don't stab anyone.

Absolutely not. That is what HEMA does, so these guys don't have to. This is more like an actual medieval tourney in which blunt weapons were used against armor and stabbing not allowed. In this sport points are scored for weapon strikes, knockdowns/takedowns, and disarms over three one-minute rounds. In such a sport, conditioning matters. If armor was good enough that you could fight all day, you have to be able and ready to fight all day. If you don;t have the conditioning to keep up the fight for three one-minute rounds, then you are not likely to win in this scenario, or in a real fight with someone of equal skill but superior conditions.

Each individual, prices range from $2000 - $10,000

Like auto racing, a lot of it depends upon ythe condition and upkeep of your equipment. The best built, best kept-up armor leads to the fewest injuries. That being said, injuries happen. I tore my ACL. I have seen sprained ankles, broken and dislocated bones (hands particularly), even a concussion or two. But no deaths yet.

why?

@@lucapollaccia740 To me, it looks like childs playing with sticks. Only more flashy.

@@NinjaHikaku if you try, you change idea =D

+sama flame Khazad-dûm

Yes and no. If your sword is off balanced, you can expend too much energy on the swing. Back in the day the shape also changed things. If a sword had a narrow blade with a solid taper, you could slide that into your enemy's armour and bleed him. Here that is less of an issue.