■ Mercedes are entering the upcoming weekend with more bad news, which is seemingly looking to bring yet another bad result for the Silver Arrows after Wolff’s latest statement. After the W15 has been given a lot of hope in the pre-season testing due to the promising race pace simulation, the Brackley-based squad endured a very unusual and quite fundamental issue with the car, and with this in mind, could Suzuka’s nature prove to be yet another death blow to Mercedes’ hopes, or more importantly - can it shake up the entire organization to its core?
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What is ur opinion on the current situation at Mercedes? And what do you think is the biggest problem at the team at the moment? 🧐 I personally think it's them constantly changing the concept of their car (2022 start, 2023 start, 2023 Monaco/Spain, and now again in 2024)
Honestly, I don't think there's anyone there that has a clue how to build a competitive car under these regulations. That's why they are chopping and changing hoping they stumble on the solution.
Toto never built a team, he inherited one and then got delivered the most dominant engine. They never had to work for that next tenth, it was easy.
Mercedes sucked when Schumacher was there, then they found their way with Hamilton. They got high on there successes and tried to be smarter than every other team with that podless monstrosity.
They don't have drivers that's able to give feedback to the engineers. Lewis never developed a car. He received one that never needed to be developed with driver feedback over a 10 year period. Russel is just Russel... That car is fast. Toto should stop fending for Lewis. Lewis is causing that the team is flailing about between different criticisms each weekend for a 3 year period non-stop. All started when he lost a championship in a car that was still vastly superior to other cars. Address the elephant in the room.
The problem is not them changing their concepts. It's just that they have no clue on what to do. I'll like to call it karma. They were all cocky in 2021 when they were losing the most important people in their engineering department. Saying people can always fill in empty spots. They're just paying the price for being cocky.
The Mercedes era is over ! PU advantage has gone & can’t spend $500M a season anymore
Says who? 2026 literally the year where they can upgrade their PU again with new engine reg
Mercedes started work on the 2014 PU way before anyone else so had a big advantage. Can’t do that for the 2026 PU but time will tell
Mercedes has been an absolute disaster no matter what they do they just can't fix their car every race seems to show their weakness and what their lacks.
I can hear Bottas laughing
Mercedes is still better than KICK
Yeah he watched this whole video during one of his pits
Atleast Kick has quick pitstops 🤭
I understand. But he isn’t laughing. He’s bout to loose his seat along with his team mate for 2025.
@@Coolcmsc at least he can now have fun
So Mercedes tried zero sidepod, then full sidepod and then full anti dive. Yet they remain in the same position.
😅
Red Bull has an another zero sidepod.
@@dbdejonge2081 Red Bull have zero sidepods? What are those giant... Sidepods they have then?
@@ventzp2133you can’t read apparently, he said “another”. And it’s true, which RB decided to bring soon
Historically one team is dominant for a couple of seasons and then falls back and another team rises to the top. Sometimes it is the car, sometimes the driver, sometimes a bit of both. Nothing new here except that there is a group of fan boys who are just loosing their minds. In this case I believe the cost cap has been a large factor in this situation. MB cannot just spend their way out of their problems and having had some success a good deal of their talent has gotten themselves a raise moving to a new team.
Yes, when successful operations depend on spending as the problem solver, issues arise when spending is not available. Also, feels like the have spent way too much on minor details, indicating they have a spending culture problem still.
If I was Merc I would be testing the car in a different wind tunnel because something is definitely going wrong in the design stage
It reflects the overall state of the company. As a 18 year mercedes owner and driver the quality is not there anymore. It seems the good ppl in rnd are all gone 😂
4cyl 63's told me that. That was the end of an era
Bruh how is the issue not mechanical or aerodynamic? WTF else would it be? Vibes of the day? Tf are they even saying, the excuses are so bad
😂 Maybe they are alleging that it's the driver. 🫢
"vibes of the day" Comment of the week!!
issue is at horoscopes, the car gets unlucky with the position of planets stars etc.
Hamiltons loyalty to the team that gave him everything is admiral!!! Had any of the top drivers been in Hamiltons seat for the dominant years they would be 5times world champion.
The humble pie has been eaten , digested and only shit remains at Mercedes.
BROKEN WIND TUNNEL! If the data in the tunnel and on the track is inconsistent and nobody has any idea what is wrong with the car then something in the wind tunnel seems to be broken. I am currently reading Adrian Newey's (Red Bull's CTO) book "How to build a car" and he had a very similar problem back in the 80s when he designed Leyton House's March 881 car. They had no idea why the car didn't perform. But instead of going back to the drawing board and hoping to strike lucky with another new car he would first try to understand the problem (a controversial decision in the time). He finally started questioning not the car but the wind tunnel where they conducted aerodynamic tests. It appears the Southampton wind tunnel they were using had a problem underneath the conveyor belt. Planks of oak were bolted to the plate through which the suction holes have been drilled. Over time this wood had bowed resulting in the ground plane being concave along it's length instead of being flat. And that was a real heureka moment for him that kinda saved his career.
aston uses the same wind tunnel
interesting...😁🧐 @@divygupta3345
Mercedes is a Case Study on how you can loss top employees due to poor management. And those employees on their way out took the keys to success and tossed them into the forest. Mercedes has been searching for them since 2022.
High speed corners, you say? "They don't understand what is happening at all"? To avoid embarrassing situations, they need to make sure that Alonso is right in front of them before they loose the car.
The biggest concern is the data not matching what's actually happening on track. Mercedes need to fix this or they'll stay top of the midfield and not where they belong amongst the top teams. Hamilton must be so glad he signed for Ferrari.
Mercedes seems to be dropping down the grid like Williams did back in the day, seems to be going down a fall of grace
It is strange, but this happens with all once dominant teams. Williams, Mclaren, Ferrari even redbul after 2014. Sometimes, teams can come back like redbul, but most of the time, it's getting back marker until they get sold or like Ferrari, some occasional wins based on luck.
It's true era do comes to an end. They lost a lot of team players and were cocky about it, thinking all will be well as usual. Until they rebuild their team again, the middle pack is their position. Sorry for SLH, he left it late to make a decision he should have made three years ago.
Finally somebody who speaks sense 😂
Every dominance creates this. It is acycle, we have seen it over and over in F1 .... the only difference this time is the so called keyboard experts who lack any objectivity and seek clicks and likes. Vitriol and childish hating is the order of the day.
Lewis hamilton a team player, i am almost dead laughing
@@hmcredfed1836 There is always me, myself and I.
@@hmcredfed1836 Yeah, in that regard he is no different to MV.
Suppose it’s a good thing Russell isn’t ever winning a championship
I think they have to apologize to Elliot
@InnocentBigWaterfall-uq7cxBilly Elliot.
How are the tyres allocated per driver?
The costcap hits the contructeurs who were spending 2x to 3x the costcap. So much institutional knowledge is gone
Step aside Toto, Christian needs a new challenge 😂😂😂
looking at the front & rear ride heights, the W15's rear looks low, slightly squatting. Notice the ride height on other cars. A soft rear end with lower center of gravity will encourage porpoising that varies depending on the road surfaces
Lovely days
😅
You can't tell me there aren't any dirty tricks going on with the colossal quantities of money in the sport. On all sides.
Well with lewis Hamilton on the move and now Wolff's offer to Mercedes to change him for someone else if they are not satisfied, shows to my mind, that is a much more serious problem with the car.
Two Mercedes out of Q1 would be a dream come true!
I have to express thanks for what you produce, *_devoid of yellow journalism's hysteria_* ... which is practically the norm in other channels. *_cheers!_*
No need for Ferrari to get a new driver, they have two good competitive drivers.
They're not hungry anymore. That's what happens with every successful team. They might come back in a decade or so. Now it's Ferrari's turn: they are really hungry again.
They should be content with a 5th place in 2024.
Every sport is the same.Some people or teams will dominate for years but noting lasts forever.Times change and so does performance.
Merc problem is not only the car, although it's a huge one, but also thr drivers. Lewis not being able to adopt to the new era driving style and George being younger and much more adoptable driver, but prone to mistakes in critical moments
Yea and iv never seen Russel defend a corner at all. Not like bottas they have allot of work to do with the car for sure and then focus on the driver
I think what we have here is far too many expert journalists examining far too few problems. Every manufacturer seems to have his day when he, with the right driver, recognizes a new rewarding angle.
Can't build a winning car without spending 500mil a year.
Georgina Russell has to contend with Alonso , so he'll get points for sure
The new big tyres are still too bouncy
Back to basics
They sacked their important technical people and some left because they were undervalued, now they are paying the price. When they were second they threw a hissy fit and sacked some very important people now they have massive issues. James voles has also left for williams .
Imagine if Max and his dad went to Merc. Jos would have them fighting over each other like he is doing at RB.
What if...someone inside Merc engineering group is sabotaging the data? I won't believe that they have no clue, it just doesn't make sense to me. How could a company with so many resources be so wrong time and time again?
I was telling so many people before the season started that Mercedes would continue to fall into midfield mediocrity. Some were too blind to see it. Bet they aren't laughing now. I saw the signs midway through 2022. Mercedes do not have the personnel that understands these aero regulations, and it's becoming clearer and clearer by the day that there needs to be a big shift in leadership at the team. The car and the teams leadership has become utterly tragic. There's so little wonder why Lewis is leaving. He saw the signs with Mclaren back in 2012 when no one else did. I have high belief in his decision to join Ferrari.
I think they should think ahead and stop pretending things are going to get better. Put behind you the current regs and wait for 2026 when the focus will be more on engines (Mercedes’ strength) rather than aero (their weakness)
Let us notice the fall of Mercedes has happened in parallel with a new heads at FOM and FiA. Toto no longer has the ear of the very people who made it possible to dominate on-track through politics off-track; moving the technology in a direction in which Mercedes would be strong. Now there is a level playing field, Mercedes can no longer play puppet-master.
Merc supporter here who is capable of being objective: The ground effect era has simply stumped Merc’s current engineering team or there really is a worrying discrepancy between the simulation data and the car’s real performance. Maybe both. I’m not putting hope on them catching up or being able to mount a challenge to Red Bull in this era. I’d like to be wrong so that we can see another fight for the championships, though.
ever since those flap/wheel things on the front wheels were added since the w13 everything went wrong TAKE THOSE THINGS OFF (might be apart of the FiA requirement tho idk) copium*
They need to replace their engineer for the Red Bull ones secretly
why are they on about UPGRADES when its a new car ??
They have the best engineers, best aerodynamic engineers, from software to there own engine in the world But they still can not beat there nemesis... Adrian ,
Noob question but how man KMH is considered high speed corner and how many KPH is considered slow speed corner?
I think +/- 200 KM/H is considered a high speed corner. You could arguably say that for example turn 2 & 9 are medium high speed corners, but Mercedes will still perform bad with such speed
@FormulaNewsToday yeah as a diehard mercedes fan since I was a little kid watching them struggle since the end of the 2021 season has Been very cringy to watch but then on the other side a small part of me is glad because it was honestly starting to get boring with mercedes domination for damn near a decade. But now it seems redbull and merc have just switched places and there's no real contender for the Championship. Ferrari is pretty close Saudi and Australia kinda proved that but we are only 3 races in with a 4th coming up ill have a better opinion when we reach the halfway mark. Also I'm very keen to see these new upgrades Ferrari is bringing to Japan I'm very interested to see what they have cooked up considering they are calling it the 2.0 version of there current car. We will findout if it pays off this weekend.
@@XxMidnightToker420xX Yeah mate it’s a little frustrating at the moment, I’m a Max fan myself but I rather see Max lose the championship with a few points in difference then seeing him win 19 races in a single season, it’s not fun to watch. Let’s hope Sainz goes to Red Bull next year or hopefully even better would be if Ferrari is able to build a proper car to challenge Red Bull with. Mercedes won’t have any chance this year & next year, there first opportunity will be 2026 with the new regulations, could be a team Mercedes might dominate again
Engines difference seems to be a forbidden matter at F1. A car passes another like a rocket leaving a corner and vanishes by the straight and all they imagine is about downforce and aerodynamics versus increasing track grip. Put in words: Honda has a cannon, Ferrari maybe has another and Mercedes is only enough to beat Renault. But talk about it is the really difficult issue...
You do know a Mercedes engine is in the back of a McClaren & the Aston Martin, so not sure what your statement is trying to imply? The new RB team has a Honda engine, HAAS has a Ferrari along with Kick Sauber, I mean you have to know these things right!
Deutsche Grundlichkeit und Punktlichkeit😅 Another 4 years of Fawlty Towers? It is just Life of Brian.
Lewis H to Toto...: "i'm gonna leave after this season...." Toto....: yep...my friend....enjoy your last season with merc....".....presses the "kill engine" button......and i bet he did just that.....just a little reminder....bit like that race in Sakhir a couple of years ago...remember...all that tyre "trouble"...haha.....Toto doesn't like it when drivers think they rule the team....
As long as Lulu still keeps losing, Mercedes are doing a great job led by their #2 driver.
People seem to forget how much Merc sucked before Lewis joined and they got the engine advantage with the turbo shaft. Add in the best people have left for other teams, Merc 2024 is not the team it was literally.
Currently Mercedes is the fourth fastest team and Russell is their fastest driver !
If “the sweet spot” is half a millimetre wide then it’s not a sweet spot it’s a unicorn, unfortunately this car is wrong from the ground up and needs a total rethink not something that is likely with the current rule set in place till the end of 25.
All the great wins get stuck in and sort it out you have the skill and the staff.
Mercedes gets rid of a couple drivers and they will fix all problems
It’s been hard for Mercedes since they can’t just invest 600M to find the perfect set up
Ferrari made a huge mistake taking on Hamilton.
7 time world champion, lol.
Past success does not guarantee future success
Why do you think that? Obviously Ferrari doesn’t agree.
Even if his best is behind him, commercial value outweighs risks. If they have a championship car, they have leclerc. Also Lewis will come good. He looks a bit disinterested with merc struggles that's all
We shall see. LeClerc better buckle up.
To put it in perspective it is 2022 for Mercedes not 2024. The writing is on the wall for this version of the downforce car. It is a bust for them. Only one grand prix victory and not by Lewis. Hard to believe but all evidence supports this and Toto's last post race interview as well as Lewis's post race interview support this conjecture. They have to keep pushing on though to get ready for 2026 where power units change. They cannot afford to be behind the curve on the chassis and suspension at that juncture. Everyone on the grid will be all hands on deck optimizing their power units. To have the chassis and suspension still in major development would be too much.
I don't understand why Hamilton doesn't take a year or two and race in wec like Alonso did
Can we just sit back and laugh at the fact that merc has NEVER had good aero, even when they were dominating they were SLOW AS HELL behind another car, only quick in clear air. So it doesn't shock me that they will hold out, almost give up for this year and 2025 and wait for the engine changes in 2026 to then be top team once again due to being able to dump SOOOO much money into engine development that wont affect them besides "buying" the engine from themselves same as start of hybrid era, that and the changes making even smaller gains in the ICE will have a MASSIVE difference on track same as before.
No I'm not a hamilton hater, actually a hamilton fan, so lets be real here.
Mercedes really should have focused their efforts on designing building and racing a car and not the Race baiting agenda of one of its drivers. But really excited to see the first Ferrari to race that's painted black.
How can a high performing team - with so much data - repeatedly get their data correlations wrong (last three seasons)- the no sidepod design was being complained about as many in the paddock know it could be game changing - so redbull copy it, and merecedes drop it. No wonder Hamilton wants out - he knows this will not fix in the current generation - he might find himself in a race next season, as Ferrari look closer to biting red bull than anyone else.
Mercedes need to build for the 2026 season
Russel's trying to throw Lewis under the bus. Let's see what happens next year.
It’s hard to feel sorry for Wolff and Hamilton. Actually I won’t even pretend to, their failures make me happy. It’s that Karma thing at work.
too bad they do not have an experienced driver to help them develop the car.... #notagoat
Mercedes should consider hiring a few back yard working mechanics😅😅😅
Max the down force .. and when in the straights body has a shaped like a golf ball . Little dense by the inside 😊
ONE ENGINE FAILURE and suddenly unreliable.... Wow
I see no hope for any of the European or American car brands.. If it continues like this with politics in 20 or 30 years we will only have chinese brands..
I'm not a Hamilton fan at all, but I think he's jumping ship at the right time. Before it sinks completely! 😂
HAM lost faith in them for a reason...
Don't feel sorry for Toto cuz hommie throwing sade on Horner
Which race will their performance improving upgrades will come?
In Australia they were experimenting with the car to see which direction they are going in with the upgrades, but the first big major upgrade package should arrive at Imola. Ferrari & Red Bull will have some small upgrades at Japan, but Mercedes is waiting till Imola. There might be a chance Mercedes will bring some to Japan as well but we haven't seen any announcements about this yet!
The next race at Churchill downs.
Stick a good driver in a Merc and they will start winning again. Wind tunnel = no Hamilton, race track = Hamilton. Car works fine in the win tunnel.
Toto and team managers just are second rate…
sadly, alisson must go.
Maybe Hamilton should have raced in a Williams sometime...
The car has lost it, Ham was never exceptional , same as russel. Time has shown only Alonso can tame a car, any car
4th fastest is last.
LH 3 : 0 MB
WHO CARES about Mercedes sucking ass? I LOVE IT!!!!
Agreed, seriously, if Mercedes had of kept dominating with Sir Wokester continually winning, F1 would have been dead by now.
Lmfao, blaming the simulations now? Didn't they program the simulation themselves? No? Why? And hilarious how even the boss doesn't want to show up to run his multi billion dollar business. 😂
Karma. May it continue.
Lewis knows that Russell is a better driver now and toto knows it
Rubbish
@@harrytownend3289fact.
Better at finding the wall?
It's a miracle that 4th in the championship is deemed a failure. Ah! The lifestyle of the rich and famous! "I'm quitting because I'm not winning" sums up the whole world. The hardest workers never quit no matter how difficult the job. I love racing. But the people involved need to spend a week in the sewers then quit complaining. These bums think they're idols aswell. Tut tut. Here's some advice from an ignorant uneducated non entity. Don't hire people who expect to win. Hire people who try to win. Blah blah blah!
Go back to the car that works!😊
Merc has gone downhill since Russell joined.
I think Hamilton should get a fruity dredd wig just like JZ.
All the teams are having issues, it just impacts Mercedes more. The engine freeze has killed this sport. Formula 1 is just boring as hell to watch, not to mention how bad it must be for the drivers. The Red Bull Era sucks ass.
Toto needs to quit in a good way. It’s time for him to move on
Let's face it the car is a dog, they may as well fetch the W13 or 14 back. Plus as soon as you stick an ineos badge on a winning team, that team drops like a stone 😂
Dude Russel Wilson will not be with Mercedes for 3 years I guarantee that. And if Hamilton leaves it will be even more apparent. Wilson is benefiting from the high expectations set for Lewis and his car can't do it. But now some how Russell who hasn't been performing any better actually worse is a better driver? I'm confused by this perspective
Russel is embarrasing Hamilton
Yeah he did really well in Australia....
@@TC2290-wh5cbdnf for lulu
Not a Hamilton fan but Russel is only embarrasing himself driving like a rookie and getting schooled by Alonso.
3 years of Hamilton's old life..wasted