Can we Fix Devil May Cry 2? - (DMC 2 Definitive Edition Mod Review)
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DMC 2 is an infamous game that is well known for not being very good due to its rocky development. Luckily we now have a solution how to slove those problems thanks to the Devil May Cry 2 Definative Edition Mod!
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If you have any other potential games that have fanmade mods, patches or remakes that would be viable for "Hidden Potential" then be sure to tell me! I already have a list of 8 or so games I could do videos on but I'd be happy to receive more if you've got them.
The one that comes to my mind is the first Watch Dogs, and maybe Dark Souls 2
@@maidenless_alan5136 The only problem I see with the first Watch Dogs is that you can play it like a badass action hero but the game never teaches or leans into this playstyle. Mechanically, it's combat has more going on than any Rockstar game does.
First I thought of was Wolfenstein 2009, which is much better with Wolf Redux v1.3. It raises it to a really quality game. You can get it off abandonware sites - I think it's a real shame that it's disappeared. I played it last year for the first time and thoroughly enjoyed it. Speaking of Wolfenstein, I want to give a shoutout to Blade of Agony which is a fan game made in the Doom engine of immense proportions and really satisfying effects. My second example is Castlevania: Circle of the Moon. The GBA version has a 'Card Hack' mod which instead of making the cards (abilities) possible to get through RNG, instead puts them in well-placed spots around the castle. Likewise, its sequel Harmony of Dissonance has graphical mods that make it more enjoyable to play (it really makes a big difference). I think it's a good game anyway (in fact, one of my all time favourites), but each game in Akella's Sea Dogs/Caribbean Tales series has a massive enhancement mod for it. There are multiple ways to approach it, including a full engine remake. You can find them at the Pirates Ahoy community The New Horizons mod for Pirates of the Caribbean delivers close to the ultimate pirate fantasy. Just for background - this was a 2003 game made a tie-in at the last minute, but it was really going to just be Sea Dogs 2. I'd say the best two are POTC and City of Abandoned Ships as games. A bit old-hat but Mount & Blade Warband was made much better with the Floris mod and other overhauls (it wasn't the only one), touching across combat and management aspects of gameplay. There are of course total conversions too if you're a fan of a specific setting. I'm only holding back on this because Mount & Blade 2: Bannerlord rebuilt the game so to include the best features of many of these mods. Of course, that too is a highly moddable game in its own right. I'm not sure if it counts as a mod as it's open source, but the fan continuation of Liberal Crime Squad is a very political (!) masterpiece that elevates it from satire to a fully brilliant management game. You literally manage a terror group. It is made by Tarn Adams, it was one of his last games before Dwarf Fortress and pretty unique in both theme and gameplay if you can get past the command line graphics! Along the same lines of open source continuations, Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead (postapoc open world roguelike set in New England) and Warzone 2100 (an once-commercial RTS game where you construct vehicles yourself, again post-apoc) are excellent. I think OpenTTD is also a really impressive example, it is technically an original game made from the ground up, but mimicking the original TTD and making an amazing engine with moddability, settings, multiplayer (!), the lot. For a lot of Japanese games, there are 'retranslations'. I'm focusing on these as obviously there are many full translations too. Final Fantasy VI and VII for example has had full retranslations into English which also fix several bugs. These are a little less interesting in my view but still add to the experience of their games for an international audience (and of course any audience which wants less bugs).
I highly HIGHLY recommend Sonic P-06!
@@PokechaoDefinately had my eye on it for a good while Just waiting for it to be mostly finished (ie all core levels, story and the final boss stuff is stuff I don't need to wait for)
If we can fix Sonic 06 and Postal 3... We can fix Devil may cry 2...
THATS THE SPIRIT
That's what I like about you: your blind, naive optimism in the face of overwhelming evidence to impossible.
Postal 3 was fixed?
For P-06, I'm of the belief if there wasn't something already there in 06, I doubt it P-06 would be as good as it was. Too bad greed got the better of Sega, not giving the ever decreasing 06 team to actually finish the game. Also context to the ever decreasing team... Given that the Wii could not handle 06, Sega decreed an original title - Secret Rings (originally Wild Fire - would be made for the console, and so the 06 team was split into two. Then later, series producer, Yuji Naka, left Sega - or Naka more recently claimed, was fired - and while doing so, took a bunch of people from the 06 team with him. And I suppose the rest is history, 06 was basically sent out without a pair of pants to ridicule. I still had a good time with it though, on my first X-Box 360, when it came out.
@@DemonDethchase oh I knew that 06 got rushed out to meet the anniversary year but I didn't realise the team got split up, bloody shame it all happened like it did especially when secret rings is nothing to write home about Still think its funny how the most polished offical release of 06 is actually the 360 demo since the team got something like an extra 3 weeks or months of extra QA between the game going gold and hitting shelves
"I can fix you"
me longly stroking the DMC2 PS2 box
@@Kraftiumshiiiiiiiii- my boi must be tired 😂
"I should be been the one to fill your dark soul with light"
"We have the technology to rebuild him"
BIGGER, BETTER, STRONGER THAN BEFORE
considering that during the capcom leak, the source code for DMC2 was explicitly leaked, I feel like someone insane enough could actually reverse engineer the whole game and turn it into an actual videogame like people did with Sonic 06
Its certainly possible but i dont think the dmc community has as much of a dedicated community of fans who like to make shit quie like sonic does
@@Kraftium who knows, DMC3,4 and 5 got full fledged online coop and 4 got custom difficulties, maybe somewhere out there even a devil may cry when he begins fixing DMC2
@@MultiDante333 true you got me there
The dev of this mod could have done more but didn't want to use the source files
@@rollinjay8214touching leaked source code is also kinda gray legally, isn't it?
I remember being 13 or so, renting the hell out of DMC1 and having a blast. And when I finally scraped enough money to buy a game, I remember seeing DMC2 and thinking "I already played 1 and if 1 was good, the sequel's gotta be better, right?" Oh, the innocence of youth
Happens to us all I remember when I scaped together funds to get fire emblem fates special edition that had all 3 versions on 1 cart (payed almost double to a scalper) And what i got was mostly ass
@@Kraftium I feel your pain. I paid full price for Naruto Ultimate Ninja Heroes 2 on PSP. And more recently, I bought Fire Emblem Engage on launch. That game was also mostly ass. Half of what I liked about 3H got thrown out or done worse.
@@hardgay7537 aw thats a shame, ive beeb loving engage
You poor soul.
Bro literally saw his homie crumble in disappointment on a game he looks forward on playing, and decided to fix the said game.
DMC3 is proof the team behind 2 could make a good game, they just got dealt a bad hand with it.
yeah a mixture of inexperience with the type of game and an original director who wasn't up to the task just spelt disaster
As someone that loves modding games and immensely respect modders, "we will follow your career with great interest"
haha thank you very much I appricaiate it
I remember playing 1, 3, and 4 growing up, but it wasnt until i was like 17 that i realized "Hey, wait a minute! There's a 2 between 1 and 3 right? Why do i have NO idea what DMC 2 is like? Why have I never seen it talked about? If 1 is sick, 3 is sick, and 4 is sick, 2 must be a banger aswell!"
we were all young and naive once :(
That one vinesauce Twitch chatter is about to have their mind blown when they hear about this
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Only a remake could ever fix it. Not a remaster, a remake. It needs to be remade from the ground up, they'd only have to keep the dark gothic art-style, types of environments and the characters. The story is basically a blank spot they could fill for whatever they want, i couldn't care less for Argosax or whatever the final boss is. That's the good thing about remaking bad games.
A 'remake' of DMC2 would actually be more of a 'make'
Well considering itsuno finally remade dragons dogma 2 into what he wanted the first game to be like ....maybe he should consider doing the same for this game
@@assenine619in the past, he's implied interest in doing exactly that but based on recent interviews he seems more interested in working on a new franchise.
@@johnnydjiurkopff Yeah, he's been on record that he has no interest in remaking past titles he's made.
@@assenine619DMC2 isn't itsuno's game though, he hates being associated with it lol The original director who made DMC2 is unknown.
Having already beat DMC2 three times (one for each playable character) this mod is really gonna make me reinstall and play again, huh? Ok, fine. Great concept for a video series. I seem to have a subconscious obsession with fan patches that "fix" old games
I love this idea for a series but the format could use some work. I like the idea of listing out what improvements were made to the game but imo the visual aren't doing a good job of illustrating what you're referring to. For instance if you're talking about a new launcher added to a combo you should show which one you're referring as you're talking about it. You could even go an extra mile and show the button presses at the bottom of the screen or compare it to the original combo in a split screen view. I don't normally leave comments but I love this kind of content and I think this series has real potential to become a favorite of mine.
I will admit I did kinda rush the editing for this since it had been over a month since my last video and YT doesn't like that (a bad habit to ik) and depending on the game having some more head to head comparisons would go a long way. I've got a few ideas of how I could push the boat out with some visual inserts for ones that I intend to do next Either way I appreciate the comment and I'll do my best to make the series the best it can be >:)
It’s funny how even just giving it the classic stinger would improve it by a whole margin
Yeah DMC2'S stinger level 0 is just sad
"I actually enjoyed dmc 2 🤷♂️" The DMC Community: GET EMMMM!!!!!
DO NOT LET THE HERETIC SPREAD THEIR FALSE FAITH
It has potential to be good and why I want Capcom to remake it. It's something that I'd like for some games that are bad which is to be remade so the devs can fix the biggest flaws, but I know that it's costly and will most likely even be a loss for them in sales.
I enjoyed the reboot more actually lol
Majin dante was pretty sick.
@@stevemclovin1566 majin who 👀👁👁
DMC 2 honestly deserves a full blown reimagining. Some of the ideas the game had were cool and carried over to later games, but its a shame that this game's potential and reputation is eternally marred by its troubled developement.
i guess devils do cry
I might cry too! :,(
@@Kraftium deveils never cry
You forgot something important; Voice actors. DMC2 was my favorite game of the entire DMC series growing up, and Lucia was my favorite character. But if they ever did a remake, who would voice her? So after some research, it hit me. Her name is Salli Saffioti, the voice of Mistral from Metal Gear Rising Revengence. How cool would that have been...
I mean I didn't forget it, its just not changed in the mod at all so theres nothing to talk about on that front that being said it is cool seeing the voice actor came back to play a very simular looking character
I actually like this game; hate me for it. I do believe the way the landscape and combat is, this installment would've been better suited for co-op and it probably would've been better received.
Agreed. I played it for the first time without knowing it was hated and it was fun other than a few boss fights. It also has the best Dante outfit of all time
@@lorddragonya I totally agree. Makes me wonder what Vergil's design would be in DMC2....
Same here. When I first played DMC2, I thought it was pretty cool. Even if most enemies die fast, I still found it fun to engage in combat and I thought Lucia was a cool design. I actually enjoyed it more than 1 lol.
I can almost guarantee you guys like it because it's super easy.
@@SalesmanWave Not at all. Some of the enemies were cool too. I would've loved to see Bolverk return.
"no" *Devil trigger second bridge starts*
DMC 2 introduced a couple of good mechanics, one of which was the Bloody Palace. The other mechanic I wished they kept was the DT/AT Medallion, so you could customize your Trigger Properties. What helped me with DMC 2 was after a while I found the disk system a lot like Resident Evil 2(Dante's/Leon's Story on Disk 1, Lucia's/Claire's story on Disk 2) I confess I was so used to "Play Disk one then disk 2, that I didn't figure that out until later.
If you're looking for more games to cover, I'd love to see you talk about Mega Man X6 Tweaks or Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep: Better Battle System
I've had x6 on the list (along with things for 3 5 and 7 too) but I didn't know about birth by sleep I'll have to check that one out
Holy shit Capcom, I almost didn't noticed, but man, they are using almost the a 1:1 art for the harpies in Dragon's Dogma 2 to the point I thought it was the same model, just higher res
Hey, if it makes DMC2 palatable, that's already a huge improvement. I played through it twice. The first time had me yell "JUST END ALREADY" at the screen. It was so bad I decided to give the reboot a chance, deciding that it couldn't possibly be any worse than this (actually ended up loving the reboot all around, so thanks for that one, DMC2).
DmC is pretty good as long as you play the DE version (personally I like turing turbo and hardcore mode on too cos its a little slow, and I like the increased DT genorations) and you either skip cutscenes or play in spanish
"Aesthetically it's incredibly dull and drab" That makes me sad :c I love the way this game looks, it's like if they got the 'horror' themed parts from the 'Resident Evil' side of Devil May Cry 1, and just went full on gothic with it, it looks gorgeous c: Lucia's design is also absolutely beautiful, especially her Devil Trigger form ^u^ And the music? Don't even get me started! The Mission Start theme and Eye of the Wind (Lower Town) are some of my favorites, and I've listened to them for so long that it would probably rival some of the play time on a few of my Steam games :3
I'll be fair DMC2 has its moments, as I said gameplay wise it invented the gunslinger and trickster styles and it has its moments off good presentation, I like the look of ariaus's tower in the city scape afterall and dante and lucias designs are great. Its just as a whole the game is very brown or grey most of the time and its just ... ugh.
they slept on the diesel collab 🔥🔥🔥
Dude, look at how terrible that texture-work is. 2:16
Omg, if you did that bit with the glasses that would have been hilarious! Great seeing you in the flesh!
Devil May Cry 2 is already fixed and it’s called Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne
Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne would NEVER take advantage of our inate gullibility
I would really love the Must Style mode if it was implemented on a style rank like the one from dmc 3 or 5, if you did a lot less dmg while a rank and below and normal in s-rank onwards, enemies had the health and damage from at least Son Of Sparda or DMD (if you could configure it in settings it would be way better), and it should be its own mode unlocked after beating normal campaign, i really look foward to something like this in dmc6, being it's own mode allows you to play or dont, your choice So glad you came back, i love your reviews, really good video, bro! Any chance you do something like Sonic Project 06? A mod that tries to improve the Sonic The Hedgehog (2006) game
the idea of style rank impacting gameplay is something really cool and not played around with much so having a must style mode intergrated into more games would be cool there are other things they've done with it tho, dante's quaddruple S skill in DMC5 vergils taunts having hitboxes at S rank, nero having a chance to gain exceed during his rev taunt, and crazy combos being longer and easier to extend at higher ranks in DMC3 but the one that I'd like to see return and adopted is the style rank shields from the ghost rider PS2 game where certain enemies have little force fields made of chains with a letter above them and you need to hit them while at that rank or higher to break off the shield to actually start doing damage also project 06 is definately on the list, I just want to wait for it to be finished before I cover it
This is a great series idea and I subbed immediately to see what other games you'll do. Best of luck!
haha thank you very much, I'll do my best >:)
If DMC2 ever got a remake I'd like it if it's main gameplay was gun combat like Lady's gameplay from DMC4 but more improved, it's also pretty much canon that Dante destroys the infected helicopters with guns too lol.
It’d need a complete overhaul from the ground up. We need to float this idea to Itsuno so we can see what DMC2 would’ve been like if he was in charge from Day 1.
I'm so glad 2 was the first DMC game I played, I thought it was the most badass thing I'd ever seen and was only more impressed when I tried 1&3 and found they played better.
"its all up hill from here"
I was today years old when I learned that DMC2 was made pretty much in 6 months. After talking with some friends, I realized DMC is one of the few franchises that I love that I DIDN'T look into the development history of, for whatever reason, so a lot of the info you mentioned is news to me. I also didn't know that Hideki Kamiya wasn't Hideki Itsuno and didn't actually touch DMC2 lol. I gotta do a deep dive into the franchise's history now lol.
The Algorithm brought me here
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this mod sounds fun im gonna check it out More seriously though, thanks for the review. I put some extra time into the table since the trailer available on my youtube channel, including some better JC behavior, an improved Stinger fix, and porting extra combat features from DMC4/5 (Inertia and Quad S). There's also more detailed settings options like key rebindings and customizable damage modifiers. There's also more Quality-of-Life features bundled in, including the ability to launch any mission at any difficulty regardless of unlock status. I've considered using the source code leak to make more aggressive changes to the game, but decided against it for essentially the same reasons outlined in the video (along with the obvious morality issues involved using that leak). I'm fairly happy with the state that DMC2 is in now, considering what's possible with assembly injections.
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omg! its the guy, the most wanted And no problem, thanks for the mod itself its really cool! I did see some of those other stuff when playing around but desided to leave them out due to my yapping streaching out the video more than I'd like already (also stuff like inertia in dmc is beyond my understanding with DMC but its very cool never the less) I'd completely forgot the capcom leak included DMC2 source code and that certainly is an option but yeah the morality of it is shaky (i wouldn't blame anyone but I'd get why they'd feel guilty about it) and I think what you've done is more than enough to "fix" DMC2 also thanks for watching and commeting, I appricate it :D
I was actually telling a friend yesterday "I want a DMC2 remake to make the game good" So this video it's a really good concidence lol
if you ask the universe hard enough it will give it to you
wish they could rework the dmc2 story, because in all honesty there's a nice-looking skeleton of an idea in there, but the poor execution made it so it took me over 10 years to begin to appreciate it. the skeleton is there, but it's been smashed with hammers and needs serious restoration efforts.
As someone who forced himself to Platinum DMC2 so he would NEVER have to go back and play it again, this is making me a feel a mixture of joy that it's being fixed, and dismay that i might break my own word to myself. XD
homie ... why would you platinum DMC2 ... :,(
@@Kraftium I mentioned it above. XD
@@MegaManJake you didn't have to go back anyway, no one was forcing you😭
Sorry I haven't had time to really respond until now. This is a great video. The fact that so many people wanted this game to be better than it was is a testament to how good the franchise really is. However, this game got Mummy Returns fate, where they had a release date before they even started filming. Believe it or not, that's how Brendan Fraser hurt his back and why he had to suspend his career for so long. Devil May Cry 2 is exactly why games need sequels. They no longer have to introduce the characters, they can put the features in that got left out of the first game, and they usually get a higher budget than the one that came before. Sometimes this makes for a better experience, and sometimes you get Xenosaga 2. This is exactly why I think the game industry needs sequels so much. I love Lost Dimension, but it would be so much better if it got a sequel. Mechanicus needs a sequel, and if Space Marine can get one, there's no excuse. Final Fantasy Tactics needs a true sequel that's not on a handheld and doesn't stink. Also, great choice of coat. Long coats are dapper and never go out of style. Big lapels are classic as well. Nothing is worse than seeing a KZheadr with a neckbeard and a filthy T-shirt. I swear there's some I can smell through the screen... Jealous of the hair though. I have none. Like, NONE. I even used my bald head as a gag in a book review video. It looks like an alien world up close. Cherish that fearsome mane as long as you can, because you know the old saying: "Hair today, gone tomorrow."
You've got me waxing nostalgia for 2 of my favourite films growing up talking about the mummy and the mummy returns serve. Sequels in games in particular are very interesting since they have a much higher rate of being better than the original than movies and books tend to After all it is a young medium and therefore the first game is usually finding its feet alot of the time and the second time round they can refine the gameplay and put more focus on stuff like the story and presentation now they've got a foundation to work off of I remember lost dimension very vividly as one of the games I was eyeing up when i was getting back into rpgs instead of just playing a ton of halo but sadly I never got it, the premise of it tho is super cool and I have a softspot for the team (they also did monark somewhat resently) I will say we tolerate NO tactics advance and/or tactics A2 slander on this channel, those games rule and you're comment has earned you a 10 second ban >:( My usual get up is the a flannel shirt and a hooded jacket of some sort, i actually own very few t-shirts since I find them uncomfy around the neck and i gotta be FREE but the trench coat comes out for special occassions I've luckily inherited my dad's genes and I don't do anything to it that could damage it (I find basic care keeps it healthy, doing too much will just yank it out) so I'll be keeping my mop for a long time (looking foward to being like DMC5 dante)
You should have found time to respond earlier!
@@KillNamniaR You're right. 😔
If I could fix a game, it'd be Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2. The combat system had potential to be one of the best ever. The story and game structure would need to be greatly redone to be great however. Resident Evil 5 would be another requiring new design/enemies/story to make it on par with RE4. 🤞the REmake does that. RE6 would need a story fix, skippable story segments, fewer explosions, and revamped weapons/health system, but there's bones for an amazing game beneath the muck.
14:52 😆😅 Despite it all, DMC2 will always have the best Dante design!
I'm torn between DMC4 and Coatless DMC1 personally but I ain't gonna deny that the DMC2 design is sick (the diesel costume is pretty good too, just don't like the scarf)
@@Kraftium The way I see it, DMC4 is peak Dante. I love everything about his design, including his buff figure compared to previous games. I still prefer DMC1 because of nostalgia and its uniqueness, but DMC4 really nailed it.
@@Kraftium yea with the tiger stripe(?) scarf on the diesel outfit, it kinda gives off 80s Glam/Hair Metal vibes. Or thats what I get from it anyway 😅
@@thebesto7787 praise the "gay cowboy" design, its the best
One day itsuno will remake this into a good game. I just want justice for Lucia
Always loved DMC2's Desperado inspired shooting animations. Also how he uses a pistol as backup for the RPG. There is kind of a realistic weight to Dante's attacks.... Doesn't suit the character, but I like the idea as a concept. And fixing flawed games is a concept I prefer over remaking already great games like Dead Space and the Crash Bandicoot games.
I cant believe im going to now have to replay dmc 2 yet again thanks to this mod. Cool video tho man
I apologise for what i've let happen to you wanting to play DMC2 is a very serious condition :(
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You are absolutely right, I'm not even sure how this video got here Not by the Emperor's will thats for sure
I like this video and I really like the series idea, but I would strongly suggest against using background music with vocals if the focus of the video is what you're saying. As someone with ADHD, it makes the viewing experience a bit more difficult!
Most of the time I avoid using background music with lyrics (sadly a bunch of the best DMC music has them) I also usually mix the background music a bit lower but this time round I mixed it with head phones and realised the the background music was basically silent on speakers so I turned it up again and it seems i over compensated a little thanks for the comment tho, I'm glad you enjoyed it for the most part :)
Im ngl I love dmc2, it's a guiltily pleasure of mine. It's the game my grandpa introduced me to the series with. But it was definitely a shock when i went to dmc3 and realized i couldn't spam square at everything😂
Well, I'm clearly gonna work on scaling and features of lesser demons. If i could.
This sounds interesting, but all you really did was make me interested in that DmC "must style" mode, I have heard of it multiple times and it sounds like something I've been wanting out of the character action genre for years, it was something that I always wanted to widely implemented from that Ghost Rider game. Not sure how exactly works but I might look into the game for that. As for DMC2, this mod kind of sounds interesting and I am not sure I will play DMC2 again, I do sort of want to play it just to experience "bad games" to help me appreciate the good ones but at the same time, the game is so universally bashed that even calling it bad has become so boring. I get nothing out of insulting the game anymore. I get the idea of making DMC2 more in line with 3, 4 and 5 but at the same time, I think 2 had some interesting ideas with combat being heavily focused on guns and with melee being light, you could make an interesting play style out of this, and Strife from Darksiders Genesis is how I can picture it working, if you did this DMC2 would be more of a divisive game in the series rather than geniunely bad, and I take divisive over bad anyday of the week.
yeah must style is definatelly cool, if I remember correctly the ghost rider mechanic was certain enemies would have a bubble of chains around them acting as a shield that had a letter above them that you needed to be at to break said shield when you hit it, its a really cool mechanic to be sure I don't disagree with the idea that a more gun focused character action game couldn't be fun, I actually really liked how lady played in DMC4SE, she just needed a few more moves to really shine, like giving her gunkata style melee moves that have crazy good range when using the pistols or something I get what you mean about dunking on games until it becomes boring, I recently watched matt mcmuscles/RSS Liam's playthrough of castlevania 64 and was like "actually this doesn't seem that bad beyond early 3d camera controls" and then I watched RagnarRox's video on it and really wanna give its prequel/overhauled version legacy of darkness a shot now too Its also part of why I started this series cos I think a little bit of tweeking and polish can make these "bad" games alot better, they can't always fix the problems but they can atleast remedy them whilest also making their strong points stronger (like Megaman x3 Zero Project)
@@Kraftium Yeah, I agree, I pretty much stopped insulting games now and want to find ways to improve games I dislike and I am lukewarm on. At the end of the days these games will always exist and condemning there existence is just a pointless waste of time. Some examples of games I could picture being improved include Resident Evil 6, the Jak sequels, and Hitman Absolution. Those games I mentioned have solid foundations that could be improved over, not sure if mods or fan overhauls will make a difference but I can picture some tweaks I can implement to make them better.
On one hand, the fans did all of these changes. On the other hand, they used cheat engine despite the source code being leaked. I can only conclude that even fixing this game with the source code was something they couldn't be bothered with. LOL
This reminds me of when I tried to play Starbound, but I despised the game so I stacked dozens of overhaul mods, but still couldn't make the game fun.
This game had incredible atmosphere, movement mechanics, and design elements, I also really enjoy the stoic version of aged Dante more than what they went with in 4 and 5
Honestly this mod sounds like it does a better job being a proof of concept for if Lucia ever made another playable appearance than actually fixing DMC2. Which, in and of itself, is actually kinda fascinating to think about as the sole person on the planet who actually wants that to happen.
To be more precise: DMC 2's guns are not actually the strongest they've ever been, the strongest were in DMC 1 but in DMC 2 the gameplay design was just so shit it feels like guns are more op in DMC 2.
Ebony and Ivory are definately pretty strong in DT mode in DMC1 but I never felt they were too useful outside of juggling otherwise Shotgun and Grenade Launcher are pretty OP but I feel like thats more thanks to special tricks like the scissor ghost insta kill, shotgun straffing and grenade roll cancelling (2 of those not being intended features)
@@Kraftium the grenade launcher being literally among the strongest weapons in legit any game of today with it's impact on its own game, Ebony and Ivory if shot fast enough have a faster time to kill than the force edge and maybe even Alastor without DT, and the shotgun is self explanatory. The guns are overall stronger in DMC 1 but don't got the same impact as DMC 2. DMC 2's level design makes the guns seem the strongest Edit: typo on Alastor
Kotor 2 :? Great vid Kraftium, now if only they could have fixed the story.
Oh yeah i suppose the cut content mod IS technically fan made
Many people don't realize that mashing the pistols in DMC1 well enough can give you better damage per second than DMC2.
True but most enemies that arent puppets can block or move while getting shot up and the guns cant launch they can only maintain enemy air time The stun in dmc2 is the main factor
I think it'd be cool if the second disc of Xenogears got a romhack to properly flush it out. Originally, the game was going to be three discs, but the devs ran out of budget after the first disc. As a result, discs two and three got compacted into one disc that comprised of a boss rush combined with a cliffnote summary of the intended story. Needless to say, this really knocks down a game that is otherwise a masterpiece, and it'd be really nice if that story could be properly realized at some point.
gonna make a mod that turns the entirey of xenogears into just 1 single text dump from start to finish told to you by someone just sitting in a chair
If We Do get a DMC2 Remake. I Would Love for LUCIA to get a Ninja/Assassin Style Makeover with her Skills and Weapons! As Much as I love her Angelic Form. I Think her Being suited to a Ninja-Style Skill Set would make her more Fleshed out! For one! Think her Weaponry and Look all Hint at This! She uses Throwing Knives, Darts, Bombs, and a demonic Crossbow Gun (underwater). While her Blade Options are Just like Dante’s - They Suck. So, what I think would be cool for her to Get that Assassin/Ninjutsu Skillset would be for her to Create Combos and Counter Options During her Combat! What would be So Cool is if her Base Swords had Grapple Options! And when she gets her demonic Weapons, I’m hoping she’d get a Demonic Chain Sickle that gives her distance attacks and some crazy crowd control! Another Cool Demon Weapon I had in mind was her gaining Demonic Claw Blades or Leg Blades that she can use to increase her jumping and Aerial Combos with summersault Kicks! Cause she does have crazy Kick attacks!
What version of never surrender and devil never cry you're playing in the background?
The hr/hm rearrange Used that version of devils never cry too
I appreciate anything that makes DMC2 better. No matter how bad it's considered to be, without it. I would have NEVER gotten into the DMC franchise. and simply for that its objectively my favorite DMC. I also think the visual gothic style of DMC2 and dante's design is really cool and I like it better than the sequels. Thats not to say I like dante's super serious, boring tone in this. But hot take. I like it more than his goofy nature he now has due to DMC3. in that it made sense since he's young. but after a while I would have hoped he would have balanced out. somewhere in between Nero and Virgil. Overall if there was a mod that "completed" DMC2 by redoing the obviously unfinished and empty stages(the city is a big one), Adding and redoing the boss encounters, along side the combat system improvements. DMC2 would actually be pretty decent. Story is really secondary for me in this one. Since I always saw it as one of dante's side gigs.
hey if you like DMC2 already then more power too ya! Personally I like to subscribe to the idea that post DMC1 dante was depressed which is why in in 2 and the anime he's just so low energy, and then after 2 he went to hell to go through SMT3 and that raised his spirits quite a bit cos he realised there are still things and people out there that can challenge him Sadly the mod you're looking for is way outside the scope of what a mod could realistcally do
Very cute of you to pay some guy to masquerade as you at the end of the video, though his lip syncing was phenomenal I will admit, handsome too. Regardless, I know you're still secretly a wolfkin. Oh yeah video was good too, you should keep up the good work.
On the internet, no one knows you are a WOLF! AWOOO!
i remember the first time i played dmc2 a little after i finished dmc1 and bummed out so much in the first mission that just out of spite i finished the whole thing in one sitting so that i would never see its face again and it took me about 10 or 11 hours to finish with both dante and lucia and never touched the game ever since and im glad i didn't
You should share the mods in the description
you're absolutely right, sorted the mod link has been added
So Mistral as in Devil May Cry 2 before the robotic enhacements
lucia is on her way to crush some balls
I've played vanilla DMC2 via the HD collection on Steam, and although I did not finish it I will say this about it: I feel like people oversell how bad the game really is, but at the same time they are absolutely right that it's not a "good" game by a long shot. The feeling I generally ended up getting from the game was that it wasn't outright bad, but it was something relative to that: Boring. The game is just not fun to play. The unmodded combat is not satisfying at all and the levels are slogs to run through. I didn't feel any outright pain from my experience with the game, but I did feel like I would have had more fun watching grass grow. It's a shame too because the other two games in the collection are much better and I loved playing through DMC3 with an HD texture pack I downloaded online.
I'd argue a boring game is far worse than a bad game which is DMC2s main problem Its also more that the DMC fan base really want to stress 2 is not worth anyone's time if they're not already locked in as a fan and even then its a bit much, worse case scenario is a newcomer plays DMC1 and kinda enjoyed it and then played DMC2 and went "this series ain't for me" and we all want to avoid that
@@Kraftium Honestly the advice I'd give potential new fans would be to play DMC4 and DMC5 first to find out if they like the series, then DMC3 if they enjoyed those since the early game is a bit less beginner friendly, and if they're still having fun then go back to DMC1, and then if they insist DMC2. This way, they're most likely to understand that DMC2 is an outlier, not the example as they've already played the other main games in the series. If someone does want to rush to DMC2 given its notorious reputation, rather than overhyping how bad it is I'd probably just try to fill them in on the development history of the game and the fact that everything that comes after is much, much better from a design standpoint, and that DMC3 is much more representative of the formula that 4 and 5 continued to improve on. As for DMC:DMC, I'd probably recommend new fans to try it sometime after 4 and 5 with the fair warning that it's kind of its own standalone thing. The game is plenty fun, but has nothing to do with the other games narratively and kinda puts Dante and Nero in a blender to make the new Dante, which does honestly make for a fun and somewhat unique playstyle compared to anything in the mainline games.
i had a lot of fun playing dmc2
The best thing to come out of DMC2 was Dante’s outfit
That red haired woman looks like a prototype Mistral.
Turns out she has the same voice actress too
@@Kraftium waaaaaaaat no way
I got quite a number of hypothetical ways to fix DMC2's bosses and some story pieces. Very long, sorry in advance. "Fusing/merging" should have been a running theme for DMC2. Vie de Marli being "known as the Island Where Holy and Evil Merge", Arius wanting to merge with Argosax, Argosax The Chaos being a fusion of almost all past bosses, just need to do that better. Maybe the bosses in DMC2 could be fixed by fusing 2 at a time. Like fusing Tateobesu with Jokatgulm, fusing Nefasturis with Phantom like an Arachne so he's the one guarding the Hellgate and not fixed to one building. Trismagia was technically a triple fusion, but still needs work. And the Trismagia is the GD Oracle of The Demon World, it should have more significance and presence in a DMC2 remake. Maybe see a scene where Arius is communicating with the Trismagia through a Magic Mirror or something. I like how Arius seemed to have trying to be a Castlevania Dracula type boss, publically he is Corporate Dracula, but in private moments, he's a cartoonish freak and he didn't give a fuck who Dante was, unlike some of the other intelligent bosses in the franchise who call him "The Son of Sparda", Arius just refers to him as "That Man" and just casually smokes a cigar and sips some wine. But he relies way too much on familiars, maybe he should also utilize what he was using to keep Lucia restrained on the wall, more magic attacks. And since you fight Oranguera twice in DMC2, he shouldn't die in round 1, why not just have his 2nd fight be him using the Infested Tanks as fire arms in the streets and trying to smash you with them, tanks exploding against the ground at the end of each phase, and then instead of you chasing the infested chopper up some buildings, Oranguera turns his attention from Dante to Lucia, she goes Devil Trigger and flies up the buildings, prompting you to chase Oranguera! Basically, Demonic King Kong! And on the rooftop, the Infested Chopper is just another weapon for him to use against Dante, grabbing it and forcing it's spinning propeller blades towards him, something you can parry, forcing the blades back at him, doing a lot of damage and after he tries smashing you with it like he did with the Tanks, you let Ebony & Ivory rip, sending him falling to his death. Dante: >looking down at the body on the streets below< Lucia: Don't worry... you got him. Dante: No, wasn't me. T'was beauty killed the beast. >4th wall shatters as Mission Complete screen comes up< We all know the Double Wolves suck and they made Bolverk an actual definition of a bitch to fight. Pretty sure Bolverk has some Nordic influence, and we got Cerberus in 2 games, 4 if u count DMC3 Mobile & Peak of Combat, so why don't we switch the Wolves with ONE BIG FENRIR! "Holy and Evil Merge" being the theme, Fenrir would be the Holy & Bolverk would be the Evil, killing Bolverk would set Fenrir free! Can see Fenrir coming back for revenge, biting Possessed Arius' arm off and giving us a Kaiju fight against Argosax Arius where Lucia helps and Fenrir becomes her loyal companion at the end! Argosax's presence alone was merging Earth & Hell, killing that fucka was no small feat for Dante. Imagine in a remake of DMC2, Argosax having more of a prominent roll, fusing humans and demons, practically inspiring Arius to make those hot Secretaries and Lucia. Whether in a DMC2 remake or a hypothetical return, I imagine Lucia using Argosax's Earth & Hell fusing to her advantage, fusing all of Arius' Secretaries into herself to gain her own Majin Devil Trigger, giving her the duality she needs and makes peace with her fellow Artificial Demons. Or Sin Devil Trigger, they've been hinted at being the same form. What do you all think about this fusing bosses theme? What should the likes of Plutonian and friggin' Mothra be fused with?
Damn, that's a really impressive thesis. I'm gonna give my two bits in gameplay view that perhaps help in lore. One would be finis demon and possibly add it to Plutonian and tartarussian. The wickerman logic of absorbing other lesser devil and being injured/incineration will grants buffs. When finis demon dies, it's spawns back other lesser demons.
Perhaps circular platforming similar to the Death bossfight in Castlevania Lament of Innocence could help improve the Trismagia fight. And maybe wanting to fuse with Dante instead of Arius would flesh out Argosax's character a little bit, like not being impressed with Arius at all through out the game, rather wanting to see "that Man" that Arius rarely mentions, and when Dante arrives, spoiling Arius' ritual with the false coin, Argosax already appears more impressed with Dante, pretty much adding jealousy onto Arius' comically broken temper! 😂
@@E-Fighter1 lol, that actually makes sense. Envy.
@@KyGuyAlyx-er3dm And to bring it full circle, instead of standing their silently, waiting to be murked, Argosax can make one last offer for Dante to merge with him, "Don't, Dante... we can be the King of this world." only to be rejected with a savage "Jackpot" before being shot out of existence!
There were always safer combos than whatever stylish things you perform in the series, dmc2 is not exception in that regard with guns.
true, but they're still alot more dynamic than "mash square"
@@Kraftium you can just mash triangle and beat every game, and if i recall correctly, melee does more damage even in dmc2. So i have never understood the criticism of guns being overtuned, when while they are stronger than usual, they are still the boring low dps option here only to spice things up and give you a breezer.
@@vazazell5967 it is blown out of proportion but ultimatedly its the stun damage Meleeing requires getting close to the enemy so your still at risk Dmc2 guns can launch and juggle enemies for 50+ meters away and will auto aim at enemies trying to approach you if you dont lock on They also dont really have anything to deal with it cos their ai is so passive and simple
@@Kraftium the whole point of the style meter is to prevent one dominant strategy from forming, and it's still functioning like that in dmc2. And there's no enemies who are dangerous enough to warrant resorting to guns anyway?
@@vazazell5967i mean as i said it is blown out of proportion but the sentiment does come from a reasonable place thats where DMC2s lack of depth comes in Sure you have 4 different combos but they bleed into 1 another, theres no function to using 1 over the other, you can vary up your combos but theres no variety in your basic actions from a mechanical perspective The game isnt rewarding to play stylishly atleast on a basic level, and while you can put the extra effort to learn about the special gun moves, they're just not as naturally intuitive When i first played dmc2 i really enjoyed discovering you can chain lucias bicycle kicks together, it looks stylish and it was useful butthats technically some advanced level stuff for enemies who dont need it You need to get into stuff like dmc2's equivalent of guard flying for its gameplay to start feeling cool and your average player just ... wont
Devil May Cry 2 and DOOM 3 always has something in common.
I've not touched Doom 3 but from what I gathered its still a very good game, just isn't what you'd think of when you think of doom
I have to say, that in spite of it's poorly handled characteristics, I really enjoyed DMC 2.
Javelina devil needs to see this
Funny enough, when i picked up Devil May Cry, two was the one I started with lol. It was my birthday and my friend bought me both two and three because the first game wasn't there. I thought Dante and Lucia look so fucking cool and I was excited only to be the most disappointed ten year old ever! Then DMC 3 SE happned and I became a different man and now I kill demons with a giant sword and guns on a daily basis in the real world 😁
"I'm something of a legendary dark knight myself"
When people talk about the guns being overpowered I just think of that subway meme. Bro you made the sandwich
Doom Eternal tweeting "you are incharge of the buttons you press" is a better fit (not like i made the game) That being said that was in relationship to picking difficulty options In this case I feel the argument is a tad disingenuous, the DMC2 guns have a simular problem as the square square triangle combo in god of war, I have free reign to use this mechanic however I choose and I want to use it for diversity sake but its so useful that using it too much very quickly deletes any challenge, it becomes a balencing act between boring but optimal or fun but handicapped sid meyer has a quote which is "given the opertunity the player will optimise the fun out of the game" and while a player can take concious steps to avoid that, it means they're spending more effort on that instead of actually enjoying the game
@@Kraftium yes omg yes finally someone said it
yes we can, make is DMC 2 special edition and i dont have to tell who whos coming
thats the spirit
Do a video about sonic 06 next, the fan made fix for the game needs a bigger spotlight lol
I was planning on waiting for it to be feature complete but another commented has pointed out it actually is now so its definately moved up the priority list, i got 1 or 2 others I'll likely do first tho since I've already started them in some shape or form
I still think it's hilarious that Rocksteady has outright rejected Arkham Origins. Despite being a good game. Capcom continues to add this to the HD collection like it's necessary. I've played through them multiple times and DMC2 is a game where you have to make your own fun to get anything out of it. It's not good by any means, but it has quarks that are hilariously exploitable.
As soon as we add the Motorcycle level back i to the game, we juust might ...
Looks fun, but the install process is kind of a pain. You have to install cheat engine, which if you are not careful, can install bloatware on your pc. I avoided all of it, but still got a Windows error that I could not bypass saying it has a virus or unwanted content while installing the engine.
that whole couple of genres, league of legends, valorant, mmos, really are curse marks arent they?
man i bought this after release previously wathcing a friend play part 1 a little bit. i dont recall anything terrible about it but iddnt play the girl campaign. plenty of games i didnt finish back then but finished dantes campaign ( had the guide too )
Tbh, granted i only played about an hour or so but the game really needed and needs a turbo mode.
Dmc2 isnt a bad game. If it was good enough to get me into the series when the ps2 was still big. Its got heart. My opinion, you can like it or hate it
what was the casltevania looking game at 2:40
Castlevania Chronicles 2 a remake of simons quest
I think that guns being overpowered is a problem that balances the OTHER problem - melee combat being so sluggish and leaving you vulnerable because you can't dodge/roll out of most animations. Not to mention certain "guns-only" bosses like Infested Chopper and Trismagia... But yeah, my number one issue with this game is melee combat. Not just because it's slow and leaves you vulnerable, but because enemies like Goats love to shrug off the first hit and just knock you out of your combo while you're a deer in headlights. The polar opposite of DMC3 and even DMC1. Oh, and Tateobesu. There's no fixing that boss, it just needs to be removed. Period.
Well gun damage isn't nessisarily the problem its more the level of stun it inflicts and its ability to launch enemies that makes them broken (something that doesn't help with infested chappter or trismagia)
DMC2 really isn't as terrible as people make it out to be like damn
yes but its funny to dunk on it
It actually has a huge potential for a remake
as much as I wouldn't mind a remake i'd rather they just make DMC6 and put lucia in it me thinks
DMC2 is the beast, donte is good and bets in geaem
DONTI SHUTE GUNZ RAEL GUD! PLS PLEY DEE EM CEE TOO.
We need remakes for DMC1 and DMC2, 1 could benefit from more modern controls but 2 needs a complete remake.
I wouldn't say no to remakes but I would personally just like the efforts to go to a new game The only thing that DMC2 has that I'd want to see return is Lucia, and theres nothing stopping them from using her again A DMC remake is one that would be very cool to see visually since I think it still has the best level design and enviroment art in the series still but I'd be equally happy with just a HD port that has active weapon switch (something you can do with mods but its a little clunky)
@@KraftiumTbh, a DMC2 remake would for all intends and purposes be a new game with how much is wrong with the original. May as well go the Fire Emblem-route and number it as DMC6 xD
If dmc1 got remade everything unique about it would be ruined without Kamiyas involvement
dmc 2 was the last dmc game where adult dante was allowed to look beautiful, dmc 4 dante was weirdly different from dmc anime and dmc 5 dante is a drug freak
Honestly, having played DMC2 just last year myself, at best I found it boring and at worst it was just head-scratchingly confusing. But it still doesn't come near the level of awfulness that is something like X-blades. Which is still by far the worse hack-n-slash game I've ever played, personally. DMC2's most redeeming qualities to me is that it's incredibly brisk and stupidly easy, which is mainly what helped me get through it, lol. It's still very poorly designed, clearly unfinished and exceptionally uninspired, but I also can't say I had the same face as your friend at any point when playing it either. I never even got any of the problems your friend did either, like the crashing. It was a smooth experience from start to finish for me. Most of the time I was just laughing my ass off at it's clear incompetence as a video game, lol. I played through both Dante's & Lucia's discs before calling it a day and never bothered unlocking Trish, which I suppose is telling since Trish is my favorite character to play as after playing 4 which was my first DMC game, but the level of misery I was expecting with DMC2 from what I heard actually missed the mark for me, ironically enough, heh.
YOOOOOO SOMEBODY WHOS PLAYED X-BLADES?!?! That game is hot garbage i love it But yeah we like to joke around about dmc2 but inthink its more that its so bad in comparison to the rest of the series which gives it its reputation Also sometimes being boring is worse than being bad, what made my friend eventually quit was getting lost and then having to go through a jumping puzzle
Devil May Cry 2 has afew redeeming qualities once you get into it abit it's still not as good as any of the others
its definately not all bad yeah but at the end of the day there's plenty of things you could be doing with your time instead
@Kraftium with that I agree however without DMC2 Dante wouldn't have had any styles I'd argue DMC2 Dante is the Template For Vergil's mannerisms of stoicism
Game should be remade from the ground up.by capcom as it set in the actual future
While I wouldnt be against a remake I think I'd get everything I'd want out of one and more if they just included lucia in DMC6
Just finished the video, pretty good I must say. I am of the opinion that DMC2 is more meh than outright horrid. Mainly because I say there's several games I feel are less polished, extremely more buggy, are worse designed, ect, the game having quite a few aspects that I genuinely really liked such as Lucia [please bring her back Capcom], the music, Trish being playable [even if that was better done in DMC4SE], Bloody palace makes it's debut, and even if the actual story was... non existent, I felt the little things like World building, the additions to the lore, the enemy and bods bios, the lines of text that appear before each mission, and hell even the more moody Dante thanks to the changed time [since I believe the theory of Dante is suffering from depression in 2 and TAS since it really add to his character], I thought the fight with despair embodied, Aruis and that boss with a spear but I forget its name were actual pretty decent. Oh and there's the "king? Yeah here's your crown" line. Though I will agree that while this mod does make the combat significantly better overall (for the most part), it can only really do so much, not really the fault of the mod though. I did joke about if Sonic 06 and Postal 3 can be fixed, so can Devil may cry 2... Though with all 3 games... simple mods and patches aren't really enough to really fix each game. Poth 06 and P3 have built from the ground up fan remakes (06 has P-06 and P3 have 2 called Postal 3 unreal and catharsis reborn) and I think if DMC2 is to be salvaged fully, it getting completely remade would be the best option. And funny enough... the reason why I liked all of those games I mentioned even if I agree to all of them being bad... is because I see them not as terrible ideas that shouldn't have ever been attempted, but more so as victims of ungodly troubled productions, as a opposed to something like say Metroid other M or paper mario sticker star, or hell even the DMC reboot, I think if these 3 games in particular were just given the chance, I think they would be greatly appreciated and respected. But that's enough of my rambling for now. Overall a great video and a great showcase of this mod.
Oh I agree, DMC2 isn't the worst action game I've played, its just really bad in comparison to the rest of the series so it stands out more, and has several stand out things that make it look super bad. And while it wasn't the intention I also subscribe to the dante was depressed narrative, (hell i consider his little escapade to SMT3 to be canon and it being part of what helps him recover cos it showed he wasn't gonna be bored all the time.) But yeah its definately limited by only being a mod, and one done via cheat engine of all things (does make it modular) personally I think fully remaking DMC2 would kinda just be a waste of resoruces and I'd more just want them to make DMC6 but include lucia in there. Perfect timeline would of been one where the anime recreated and fleshed out DMC2 as an OVA movie that took place after the series me thinks I'm looking foward to covering Other M at somepoint along with the "maxximum edition" mod cos I think that game has quite alot of good in it, even with the story when you have more context, and while I feel like the ridley scene is badly directed I did form an argument for why samus getting distressed at it is fitting that I'd like to share with people finally I also think DmC has so good aspects in it and is still probably the best attempt at character action from a western studio even if as a whole package its kinda lacking, granted definitive edition did alot for it either way I'll put an end to MY rambling now, glad you enjoyed the video thank you for the support
It was one of my first PS2 games. I had fun with it at the time. It made me seek out 1&3. Then I played a bunch of other games. I worked as a teen and went to a resale shop with the last game I'd beaten to trade it in for another. When the HD collection came out I saw everyone hated 2 and I thought they were being elitists. I was in shock of how bad it was after saving it for last after 1 and 3. I was ready to play a game I remembered as easy, but still worth playing. It wasn't even worth my time.
I think we all have a shitty game or 2 that we grew up thinking was alot better than it was I remember really liking the on foot sections they threw into Star Wars: Rouge Squadron 3 last minute and I still kinda do but its very clear they're kinda ass and tacted onto a dogfighting game
Please,no auto aim/reticle mode
What I don't understand is honestly why KZheadrs care about this game so much? It's well known this game is bad, I don't get why they don't place their energies elsewhere. Great concept for a series though which I'll be following closely!
Hey if we weren't masochists we wouldn't be making youtube videos lol and thank you very much I hope you'll enjoy whatever game from the list I'll do next
whats the song at 11:18
V's battle theme from DMC5