Criminalize Narcissistic Abuse? (with Dr. Yana Greenberg, Be Honest Podcast)
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Narcissists are unaware of their unconscious motivations - but are in full control of their actions and choices. They can tell right from wrong - they just don't care. Narcissistic abuse needs to be criminalized so as to deter narcissists from harming people.
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Narcissistic abuse should be criminalised if the abuser refuses to get help for their damaging behaviours
I totally agree cause they do know what they r doing while doing it to another human and it's not what normal good humans do to another. I could never do what has been done to me and willingly knowing and doing it is going to effect someone's mind emotions mentality all for their gain of whatever they want to gain while destroying the other persons life and mind body n soul. It's wrong wrong wrong on ever level.
@@debrakarr996 you're right. They can turn their abhorrent behaviours on and off depending on the situation and who is there
@@5EmBemthe worsest thing, nobody believes you😢
Her abuse was literally shortening my life. I realized that before I realized she was narcissistic. Just knew it in my stomach. 🫡🇺🇸🇬🇧
It should be punished regardless. Because the damage had already been done by the time they would even consider getting help. Which 99% of them would never even consider that an option. So the only reasonable decision would be punishment
This is a serious public health concern.
Absolutely criminalize this behavior! It's abhorrent!
In Brazil they criminalized emotional abuse last year.
I've been researching the criminality of NPD abuse under the topic of Domestic Violence. This needs to happen!!
I am married to a person for a long time that has a narcissistic style and maybe even NPD and now I worry about my mental health. I have been exploited, lied to and discarded so many times that I have nothing else left for him and very little for myself. These people rack havoc on normal people in their lives. They need to be accountable for this. They ruin your life and self esteem.
They may want to ruin our lives and self esteem it is up to us to get away from them before we let them ruin us we all do have a choice to stay or leave. I have chosen myself over him or his fake love. We must come first find your self and get out.
People also described living with someone who is dead , They make you like this by the end , the financial abuse emotional neglect is enormous . I left my X all l was , a slave .. He tried to destroy me , it's not money or objects , he tried to get full custody of our child.. was a total drunk, drug addict $1200 a month habit when l left he stool $140 K out of the joint bank account.. He hardly worked the 18 yr's union... Try to get away , have a plan not to get ripped off . Good luck.
The CPTSD described here is SO POORLY understood by mental health professionals. They just insist there is something wrong with you without understanding the SEVERE abuse suffered. It's disgusting.
They are knowingly taking part in the abuse!!! The profession has been taken over by these predators.
@@davidfmcdonough Agree. We live in a narcissistic society in which many predators hold high positions, have power to make decisions about others. Do not be suprised that these people are usually narcissists or have narcissistic traits which leads to a damage of other's lives - giving a green card to another narcissists to do more damage, to carry on in damaging others and the victim to lose the case. It makes these narcissists more thrilled inside, more alive to damage the victim. These people recognise their own flock -wolves help wolves to win. That's why there is no justice in this world. Our society, western society, needs to be closer to God. The real God who is good in Heart, with morals and does good. How many people in power or making decisions about others are like that?
Is there something wrong with you for staying?
@@charlenejacoby514 People need to acknowledge, there is something wrong with narcissist why the people stay. That is why the narcissim should be criminalised. If you have life experience with pathological narcissist ( I do not speak about social narcissism ), you will understand why some HAVE to stay and they do not have a choice. Without knowledge, please do not judge others for not being able to leave. Take into account immoral society too and the solution which offers. In some cases, pretty demonic solutions in which traumatised mothers are losing all, including children and home. Or mush more. Most of the time the system wants to save money and does not have resources to really do a good job.
@@charlenejacoby514Unfortunately after a while more of yourself has fallen away & there's addictive feelings toward them & it can feel like your shell shocked & stuck in place... If you can, quietly make your escape plan then slip away with no warning & implement no contact ✨ Then access Prof Vaknin' vid's on removing the Introjects they leave in your mind & this will free you up to begin the journey of self love & healing ❤️🩹 Be patient with yourself, it's a journey once you've managed to escape & it takes time, but you can recover 💖✨🙏🌈
Narcissists that alienate their children from a safe loving parent ( their former partner) should definitely be punished, the effects of this is mind blowingly terrible to the children and the alienated parent and their wider family
❓❓ if someone damages your car they are punished by law, why are people not punished for destroying other peoples lives often forever...?? He would be punished for a car but not for a person 👀👀👀 And you are right they are in full control.. he is a different person at work at a high level job (doctor) and career.. because he knows how to behave good and chooses to not have tantrums
Maybe because law comes out of position power and wealth. Materialustic power and wealth.
@@zelenavyplesyze8333 cyber bullying is criminal act, and it's not to do with material... They damage people, a lot of people have to move, change jobs ..and only because of One person.. i personally had to stay of my content creation job and all social media only so one person doesnt get more supply.. i had to disappear.. or stay and let him watch me daily and use all my content to feed his obsession and hate for more abuse smear spree.. they just dont move on or respect boundaries... The law should force them to leave people alone and stop abuse
I feel like I'm now aware that the psycho & narc' play books are interwoven so deeply into the fabric of societal structures to such a degree; the powers that be, would be very miffed indeed should certain laws be passed... They'd have to double think on how else to cowl & control the masses ☠️😅
Conviction of NPD abuse and sentencing should include mandated therapy and restitution.
Permanent house arrest would be even better.
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Totally agreed...Narcissism must be punishable by law. Now, that would create a precedent and will prevent such harmful behavior for certain amount of time only until they prey again.
😂😂😂 The problem is that most of those making and applying the laws are narcissists. 🤷 I just watched the apple river trail. What else is there to be said. 🤷
Yes, and we are stupid and gullible enough to put them in power.
@@Starfish125 😂😂😂 I didn't say otherwise. I will point out to you that you are the one generalizing if you believe that those that are in position of power in society are all well educated and that the others are all poorly educated. 🤷 Also education is not an absolute indicator of intelligence. I'm university educated, but I've met people that have not even finished high school, but are more intelligent than a lot of my colleagues. Access to good education and different positions in society are not based entirely on an individual's merits, but they are the result of a multitude of factors. 🤷 Unfortunately to many people are brainwashed into narcisism, using that fair tale that "it's all your doing" 😂😂😂😂😂 Yes I worked really hard, I'm very smart and that's why I was born in a rich politicians family. 🤷😂😂😂😂😂 Assuming that everybody in our society gets exactly what they deserve it's living in a fantasy divorced from reality. 🤷
@wardeggerrobertmarius144 wasn’t generalizing at all, however, you were. He’s accurate. Many people in positions of power are narcissists.
@@Starfish125 I get your point. What I said is referring to the whole world about people in power. In my country alone, a big number of politicians got their educational degrees in fraudulent ways. I got colleges in University that got high standard educational degrees, they are officially recognized to be engineers, but... but they don't have at least the basic knowledge necessary. They don't know technical drawing, and yet they have an official document that says they are specialists in that field 🤷 I'm sure that in all parts of the world this kind of thing happens more or less often. So the point is that getting a degree is not the same as deserving it and being well educated. My belief is that people should not be judged on anything else than how they actually are. Nobody should let things like social status, wealth, color, sex, degrees and so on, to cloud their perception and judgment about others. And regarding politicians, we should all be aware that they focus on educating themselves with the intention to build an image for themselves not for authentic interest. They study more than anything else, how to persuade, make themselves liked and other similar directions for study. Practically they learn how to make people think they are well educated rather than actually become well educated. I'm sorry, but for example in the USA a body bilder became governor of a state. 🤷 In my country totally morons bad actors and old stupid musicians, that don't even master their own native language, are in parlament making laws for almost 20 mil people. 🤷 There is no objective evidence for me to believe that politicians are in general well educated. 🤷 Many of them might have degrees that they don't actually deserve at all, wich is even worst.
@@Starfish125 nope. I'm from România. I've visited and worked in some other countries in Europe. I worked in my country with people from other European countries. I watch different sources on what's going on on other continents. I can't be as optimistic as you are. 🤷 Humans are definitely walking on the edge, for over a century.
wow! thanks for sharing, Sam. it is barely ever talked about how the narcissist relapses and how, with age, the narc engages in predatory behavior. “the predator” creates aggression is so spot on. this is why I never understood why many of them engage in alcoholic behaviors.
It seems like being a police officer to enforce this hypothetical war on narcissism would be the dream job of any clinical narcissist.
I really really wish you could charge ppl with this! My ex would go to prison for life! I won’t feel safe until he’s not breathing anymore- I don’t wish that really on anyone but the hell that I came out of that person is unreal- and the thought of him being out there doing this to other ppl keeps me up at night-
I can relate big time!!!
Been told more than once i am crazy and been threatened to get put in a psych unit as well!!!
My point of view as a survivor of narcissist abuse is that all knowledge about detecting any type of abuse should start in elementary school. We could name that class "Personal Growth" and we should must take it as a core course (not elective) while we are in elementary and high school. We are focusing too much on the aftermath of narcissism rather than the origin.
Agreed, with the increasing connectedness the individual has with society, we really do need to be teaching kids about things like healthy boundaries at least, among other things that are becoming more relevant thanks to the prevalence of the internet.
@@skachor This course should cover several topics like disfunctional families, toxic families, Emotional intelligence, 5 languages of love, Our Erroneous zones, etc. This course will make aware childs of any abuse received at home from their parents or guardians. We need to focus on the origin of the abuse rather than the aftermath.
@@skachorWhy society thinks that courses like math, chemistry, history, etc are more important than "Personal Growth" in order to become a better human being within society. That way we could interact much better with others having great principles, values and moral. Specially on how to recognize and name abusive behaviors from any one.
Seems like a good idea except that there are a very high percentage of narcissists working as teachers and school administrators. As such it would be hard to ever get this off the ground. I am speaking as a former teacher whose first close encounter with a malignant narcissist was with my boss/ school principal.
@@InvisibleWarrior279 Yes, that is true and narcissist people are everywhere nowadays but healthy mental people still the majority. Nothing is perfect in this life and we have to do our best to protect future generations. We have the power to do so without no doubt. Sooner or later narcissist people get to be detected.
It *absolutely* should be criminalized.
My children's father could be arrested for the 10+years and ongoing narcissistic abuse with child abuse for actively initiating in behaviors that facilitate in parental alienation along with lying on court motions in our child custody case.. contempt of court.. and refusing to give me my COURT ORDERED parental visitations. So many things that he did taking advantage of the court systems... Brainwashing our children and taking years of my love and ALL of my family from them by what he has done.. he is taking advantage of my ADHD and my ignorance of navigating the court system.. along with the PTSD depression that is also a cause of all this... I could go on and on with the disgusting text messages and him telling our children that I'm not their mother and that I hate them..he has told me he wants me to disappear... And this whole time I just wait for court but then we have mediation about the mediation that we're going to have he did this already and it took a year to see a judge..... What he is doing and has done is absolutely criminal and I just don't understand how he's gotten away with it for so long but it's not happening anymore I'm prepared I've been seeing a psychologist for the past 6 months I have all my paperwork ready this is literally the fight of my life😢 in the whole time he's just sitting there saying look how crazy she is 😡
Parental alienation is absolutely criminal behavior and should be treated as such! So sorry this happened to you. Are you familiar with Anti-Alienation Project? she is here on KZhead. A now recovered alienated child.
I am so sorry to hear that you are going through so much pain and suffering. I am afraid that this will be happening to me as am now sure that I want to safely as possible exit my marriage. I wish you all the best and all the love he stolen away from you. You still have so much to give and he is so angry because he can’t be part of your life anymore. The day will come when your children will be able to se who he really is and will seek out for you. Hang in there and try to take care of yourself.
@@bk3653 well I've got lots of pointers and advise I know where I messed up a couple times.
@@gregandcarrie2 actually I just received texts this morning from him saying he wishes that I would die.. and he's just stupid he knows we're going to court like he should know everything he says and does will be used against him in this year the f*** will like if I can't get a restraining order today he better know it's going straight to the judge
@@gregandcarrie2 yes I do. I would love to connect to her and speak about how the courts deal with this in the matter of... Who is responsible for situations regarding child custody in the courts.. I have a court-ordered parental visitation times that he just said who cares about that... I think you're a danger therefore.. you can't have them cuz I say so... I've called the police I've gone straight to the courts... This is KIDNAPPING... This is kidnapping.... And I can't do anything about it until I see a judge... Text over 8 months.. it's been since October so far that he's pulling this AGAIN!!!
Great point narcissist is in full control, I remember my father advising me about my mother saying it's better that she be afraid. When they see threat, they suddenly change.
I have seriously abused by two close to me I don't know what or where I could find a very trustworthy person who would understand my situation I need advice please if you can. Understand what I am going through and I no longer can just keep it without any support at all. Corp successful wealthy and extremely evident for extremely multiple conditions for many many years I am so happy for the information you are sharing on public platform. So very very needed also way overdue! Thank you forever grateful
Narcisstic abuse and any emotional abuse should be 100% criminalized. This behavior damage healthy people's for centuries.
I have experienced narcassism in health care and it nearly cost me my life.i definetly feel a crime was committed against me. I have lifelong consequences due to thier profiling gaslighting and narcassistic behavior. Yes narcassism should be a crime😢 😢😢
Their flying monkeys can be as bad if not worse
Your videos are very imp to me, Sam.
Imaging the false allegations? This is a mind field. NPD abuse is incredibly hard to prove.
I have been fighting for my innocence from false allegations from my children's father trying to destroy me and something has to be done I mean I have proof to show how he's trying to destroy me and
Not really. There is a DSM5 diagnosis for true narcissists
Any court should assign a psychological evaluation with a psychologist specialized in cluster b disorders.
@@dreg4781 .. is that a motion I have to file?.. when this first started he requested a CFI investigator through the courts... And one was appointed but they were asking me to pay $1,300 in order for the investigation to begin and I did not have that money... Children's father stopped paying child support.. after 6 months of living in my townhouse where are my children lived with me for over a year and a half I could no longer afford it and I had to move out and I rented a room and then he offered to pay it
@@lisaball2760 dsm5?
My past two orthodox Jewish husbands were bonafide covert narcissists: never again!!!!
I believe it should be a choice for criminal consequences definitely is a very situational and depending the levels of damage they have done. My situation probably the most serious damage possible as i had not been information until was way too late! Ruined my life and me! No one is educated on this and no one believes it is such a serious mental health sickness!
It's hard to measure & prove narcissistic abuse and injury. How do you photograph a crushed personality? Where is the abuse documented? Unless you enjoy 24/7 video surveillance, which would be inadmissible in most courts, you can't prove abuse.
@@UNcommonSenseAUS 24/7 surveillance would be a strange thing to have, outside a mental hospital or prison. But that's the level of documentation it would take to prove narcissistic abuse beyond a reasonable doubt. So unless you enjoy abuse, you'd better learn to enjoy the cure.
Everything Sam says is 💯. I have been w/ a Psychopath for 33yrs (married 30- 1 wk after anniversary, he's off on a 5 day vacay w/ one of his whores- who is a LMFT, lol). My children & I have lived thru the most horrific situations & circumstances. It's extremely infuriating & isolating knowing that law enforcement do not care about this type of abuse, nor can the average therapist even comprehend it as abuse-- 'Im' blamed for my 'crazy' reactions to the abuse...
Absolutely true but some have no choice to walk away no contact also mot a long term option unfortunately for some
How come there are way more resources about dealing with "a narcissist" than "one's own narcissism"?
Because narcissists don’t care.
@@bm.6349 That's almost like saying obese people don't care about fitness.
I agree with Prof. Sam and any thoughtful sane person will also do so in recognising the need to criminalize " Narcissism " Which would serve two purposes. 1. Such laws when in place will deter narcos from cruelly brutally abusing people. 2. Despite the laws, if still a narcissist commits such abusive crimes, he/she can be put to justice.
Esto me pegó muy profundo.
This is definitely worth the watch
Great discussion thank you 😊
Great interview!!!
This is mind blowing. Thank you so much for your continued sharing of enlightenment. 🙏
This really hits the nail on the head that it isn't about whether someone meets this or that diagnostic criteria for a disorder, or about the term narcissist. The question is "what are they doing?" and "are they harming?" In this context I think the term "narcissism" and related terms are terms that serve the purpose of bringing people together for productive and insightful discussions about a set of relevant behaviors to mediate that harm.
Omgosh that's so true!!! They are like robotic 🤖 meatsuits its creepy 😳
So just from the opening distinction. My thoughts and input on it to make it easier to understand the distinction. Is that people who just have Narcissistic tendencies are "groupies" or what are also referred to as the "flying monkeys". The people who are only doing it because it's what other people are doing. To fit in or to also benefit from it. The "if you can't beat'em, join'em" kinds of people. And to have Narcissism as the personality disorder is to genuinely have those negative intentions towards others. Both I'd say are definitely as a result of childhood trauma. Narcissistic people probably had rough lives, but only as uncomfortable upbringings. While the Narcissist had a much more severe childhood that has caused them to be that hateful kind of person towards others. People who are just Narcissistic also have that need for validation. So the Narcissist sees that as a way to control them for their own means. Giving them that validation they seek as a way of keeping them around. The Narcissist sees that as an opportunity of "if you want to keep getting what I have to offer, you will do what I say or face the same fate as the ones we target." So it's easier to go with the flow and live happy than to defy them. Regardless of the things you help doing. The Narcissistic person has to have that lack of empathy in order to continue fitting in. Whether or not they actually want to do those things or not. Their need for validation or the reward they stand to gain outweighs their feelings towards other people
I wonder if a narcissist fears death more than the average man.
Oh they do Lmao
I agree
Sam, this is the GOAT. You are so smart! In your opinion, should you move far away to escape being a scapegoat to all of these narcs? Now that i am in touch with my intuition, gutfeeling lets me know. I am truly lucky to be alive from physical & verbal abuse, etc. Is their a safe place to go?
Behaviors I observed in the last potentially covert narcissist I interacted with: 1. Preemptively asserted a mutual friend on Facebook treated them badly which was likely an admission of how they treated this person. 2. Constantly talked about how they had been mistreated. 3. The use of fake accounts to go against someone and then following up with their personal account as some kind of savior when it was suspected the target was pulling away from the. 4. Throughout all of this, feeling entitled to exploit the target for personal gain.
The marriage is thing exactly my soon to be narc. Agreed to kids day 4.
I know everything that you’re saying because it happened to me and I didn’t go down but now I’m dying slowly from what he did to me because his fantasy sick and I didn’t know it till way too late but he’s gone now and whatever little life I have leftto the point where I can forgive him, forgive me thinking that I could save him, knowing that his problems is cheaper than I could ever know, but I’m almost healed spiritually
How about this: put anyone with an NPD diagnosis under permanent probation and take away their right to marry and raise children.
@@UNcommonSenseAUS No, not really. Some people have more freedom than they can handle. It's time to admit it to ourselves.
My Psychopath spouse has been caught in long term adulterous relationship w/ a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist from CA & she is coaching HIM on how crazy 'I' am 🤡🤦🏻♀️
We speak of intimate love relationships and the narcissist I would like more videos about being raised by a parent or mother with the disorder and how she destroys her children and yes they should be charged and go to prison. With no statue of limitation.
at 9:13 I'm immediately thinking of Donald Trump.
Social credit system must
Who makes you to stay with relationship woth narc? Why can't we criminalise astounding stupidity of ppl staying in relationship with narcissistic partner? (children-parent is different case).
The victim wants the pain to stop and will do anything to please the abuser. If this abuse was out in the open then it would be different. You would know who your enemy is. Instead the victim sleeps right next to their enemy thinking that they are the problem. This kind of abuse is going to come more out into the open for all the world to see and know about. Covert abusers days are numbered….For sure!
I'm wondering why my ex narc cried real tears when our daughter was born. I saw him cry with what looked like joy.
@@caiofranco347 Yeah. His own "Mini Me" created in God's image & likeness ... and matching DNA to prove it.
Prof Sam Vaknin looks exactly like Jacques Lacsn
Do asap. As narc abuse is as worse as pedo. Start asking children about behaviour of parents especially single parents and I know one.
Omg so do we arrest grandma now? how about the back log of sadism? Im going to jail for sure because im not perfect compared to the all knowing empath Guaranteed half the comments are somewhere in the cluster b category
Lol Judges are narcissists +. They ❤ their image. Nice Dream;)
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Her abuse was literally shortening my life. I realized that before I realized she was narcissistic. Just knew it in my stomach. 🫡🇺🇸🇬🇧
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