Jordan Peterson | Full interview with NZ Herald journalist Simon Wilson
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Controversial Canadian psychologist and author Jordan Peterson sits down with Simon Wilson. Full story: goo.gl/3hw7gY
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Disliked this video because of the interviewer. Like this comment for Jordan.
very clever
I also disliked the interview for the interviewer.
Likes and dislikes are excesses of the mind.
Don't know this interviewer... but, found him smug, pompous, and constantly interrupting Jordan. My interpretation is he is trying to be more intelligent than he really is. Very sad....
Fair enough
As a New Zealander, Simon owes me an apology for complete and utter embarrassment.
The Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneux interview with another NZ "journalist" was equally as atrocious. New Zealand journalism must be very, very, low brow.
wolfcult, anyone that's been around a kiwi knows that he isn't representative
@@Charliechorizo It is. It is.
i agree
YES, IMBIRESSING.
Everything about this Journalist, his inquisitive tilt of the head, his hostile gaze, his smug, self-satisfied face, his accusations, made me a JP fan.
Don't forget the crossed legs and looking down his nose with his complicates "smart guy" glasses.
And the absolutely wild opening statement .. "you seen angry, are you angry? Like wtf bro? Yeah I'm bloody angry now, wtf kind of question is that in an interview? 😂
He has lots of micro expressions and gestures that make Simon so compelling to watch, as he tries to catch JP out.
Everything that is wrong about journalism: Simon Wilson. Three years ago, I wrote to him (without getting an answer): Dear Mr. Wilson, among all controversial interviews with Mr. Peterson, yours is truly outstanding. First, because of your mellow, pleasant voice and your very fine taste for intellectual glasses. But mostly, because you control your animus very well, trying to give the impression of an engaged journalist, who is just asking some important questions. The big effort for control covers the glaring expression, that your politeness is the most useful cover for arrogance. And that arrogance can't hide you're just performing preconceptions. Peterson, the angry egotist. At the end of every topic, you keep the last word with ironical degradation. You just talk over your guest, if it gets too much for you, or provoke him with out-cranked taunt. (20:30) The book is all black and white, but you cannot name one example. Wasn't there enough time to write down at least one? Maybe there was, but your animus made you forget it. Your disgust of Peterson is lurking through every look and every word. You are no journalist. You failed. It was painful to see the whole interview. I saw a rotten soul. Poor you! Get well soon. Christoph Spielberger
you've perfectly summarize my thought of all these "journalist" bien-pensants, thank you ahah (in Europe we have only "journalists" like this guy, you'd be depressed looking television)
Well said, this is exactly how I felt. I wish I could have articulated my feelings as well as you have. Thanks
Wilson is an intellectual cur and coward. He uses these snide, cheap and intellectually dishonest tactics, because he knows he cannot defeat Peterson on reason, facts and logic. He hasn't the wit, integrity or facts to do it. Hence the cheap tactics he has to resort to. it's the Liberal "interviewer" playbook. Cathy Newman tried to do the same thing, but made the mistake of giving Peterson the time to answer fully and humiliate her - ever so politely - in the process. Actually, she humiliated herself.
This is harsh and quite a spill from Spielberg... 😂
He's by far the most polite person to interview Peterson, of all the ones who don't like him. But you're right, his animosity is well controlled...but it's there and you can see it. Bad form for trying to stroke anger out of Peterson in such a feeble and manipulating manner, he needs to be better.
Wilson, you dirty, dirty smear merchant.
This should be the only comment spammed down the comment section on any youtube interview with people like this.
We have a spicy Sargon fan hehe
A fellow viewer of Carl I see!
It's possible that Wilson is an extremely low iq pigeon with little to no reading comprehension. Not likely, but possible.
Welvome to new zealand journalism ...
The smug dismissiveness of this interviewer is truly pathetic.
That interviewer is a jerk. It is not only angry young men who follow Jordan. I agree with Jordan and watch all of his interviews and admire his directness. I am female and 71. My daughter and grand daughters also watch him. He is not angry, he is direct and factual and doesn't wishy wash life.
donde2k - I was just watching this and stopped to comment almost the exact thing you did. He's so smug that it's sickening. I genuinely hate most "journalists" today for this very reason.
Women themselves know they shouldn't vote. Jordan is an idealistic fool in this respect.
I love how the interviewer said "that's a jump from what I said" and then immediately jumps into another question. He must find it hard to be questioned, especially as a journalist.
Lol during this whole interview everytime Peterson pushed back or asked for evidence he just moved on to the next question
Lol exactly what I thought
Imagine someone trying to tell you that you’re angry when you’re not angry.. that’s the kind of thing that might make you angry. Well done JP, keeping your composure and rooting your responses in FACT!
Talking about gash lighting, right. Gosh, it's painful to watch. If anyone better equipped to deal with being gaslight, that will be JP.
that's a leftist strategy to make the interviewed angry and then attack him fot his anger. They made this to libertarians polititians in my country , unsucessfully
This interview demonstrates clearly the difference between someone who has spent their life developing hard won intelligence, and someone who has spent their life cultivating the shallow appearance of intelligence.
Yes, you are so much more intelligent than he is to assert that, because you listen to Peterson, I guess that gives you superpowers...
Excellent assessment Matthew
thalia garcia It’s interesting that without me even saying which is which, you yourself attributed intelligence to Peterson. Food for thought next time you decide to project upon others online...
@@MatthewPirkowski Line hook and sinker lmao
Well said, sir.
The interviewer is trying his best to antagonize Jordan and failing miserably... Jordan is so amazingly calm and authentic
My favourite part is near the end where he clearly gives up on trying to make Jordan angry and simply states "you seem very angry"
Can anyone make sense of these JP tidbits: 6. "The ignorant Left says you can place the responsibility for hierarchy and inequality at the feet of western civilization and capitalism...that is unbelievably wrong." 7. "You should always view people as individuals first and as members of a collective far second....this is what accounts for the spread of freedom and democracy." 8. "The world is in a messy state, whose fault is it, yours, its not some identifiable group." 9. "No one goes to a sports event and boos the star, people can celebrate success, but the game needs to be fair, there are plenty of sins on the conscience of the west, but you cant throw the baby out with the bath water, people don't understand how rapidly we are making economic advancements, that is not well distributed knowledge."
@@cowgirlradio22 what doesn't make sense to you? Let's start there
You can see it on his face, in his eyes. He's dead-set on demonising JP in the aims of supporting this new fascist nanny state. Huge respect to Jordan who maintains his cool in the face of unending hostility and smear tactics. I, on the other hand just lose my shit and go ballistic. But ultimately i think things will be fine and the politically correct can shove their easily offended up their own ass. "Political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners." - George Carlin
@@dontpanic7153 Exactly, self-projections left, right, center and up the wazoo. Characteristic of PC people, as it seems to me.
I’ve never seen an interviewer get so thoroughly schooled by a guest. Talk about an intellectual dressing down. I felt sorry for that interviewer after a while. What an utter humiliation.
I wouldn't spend too much time feeling sorry for this jerk. He tried and tried to misrepresent Peterson's ideas. Not as smart as he thought himself to be -- he got bested each time and kept exposing his bias and inadequacy as an interviewer.
Such a sharp thinker. His ability to respond so quickly with detailed explanations to all those accusations and sleights of hand is incredible.
Why is it that everyone else can get to grips with Jordan Peterson's messages EXCEPT JOURNALISTS?
Because these days 'journalists' are activists and activists have a bias and an agenda. True journalism is near dead.
There is a definite element of jealousy surfacing in some of these interviews. Some have an air of big game hunting, as if the interviewer wants to be the first one to bag a Jordan Peterson which would make them a rock star in the journalistic circles. These people would wonder why I would equate "journalist" with "resentful condescension".
Because Journo's are illiterate except for their own ravings.
It’s a form media programming “television programming” they over load there ideals on us through the media to make us think that’s what the individuals on the left believe. But we all know it’s a lie we know most people have common sense. And we don’t believe their rhetoric.
If you watch Joe Rogan's podcast with Tim Pool you will understand exactly why journalists act and behave like they do.
Acts smug and accusatory and then asks are you angry? Nice try.
Right on. He was trying to instigate anger the entire interview.
He asked continuous leading questions, interrupted, presented false statements as if they were fact. Dr. Peterson replies in clear, careful words, and that's presented as anger. It could not have been more obvious provocation.
What a spineless dollop of Shit this guy is!! 🤨 JP😎 did so good not just coming unwraped on this SJW passive aggressive FemiNazi Deush nozzle!!🤬😅 Way to lead by example JP😎 - You the Man!! Thank you for what you hav shown and taught the men and women of this country!!!😊🙏🇺🇸 The Good People of Canada are Shurley proud!!!)🍻😊👍
You forgot 'sneeringly' RichardCorral.
RichardCorral agreed
"I make a small minority of very noisy people very upset" I love it!
I became a fan of Jordan Peterson after watching him not only survive "ambush journalism", but watching him win these arguments. He accuses the left-leaning journalists of being lazy and uncreative. I read the "Gulag Archipelago" because Dr. Peterson has recommended it multiple times. What an eye opener.
Wow….
I'm a 40 year old black man who lives in America and have been following JBP for the last year and read 12 Rules. Having said that, I have several friends who follow him as well, so this notion that all his followers are white men is just nonsense. I even post some of his videos on my FB from time to time and black people who don't know who JBP tend to agree with his message or the points in the videos I share. The only time someone says something negative on my posts is when it's someone who's "heard of" Jordan Peterson before.
Totally agree
i am a 41 yo black (African) male living in Philadelphia. I follow JBP religiously. i hate when activist who pretend to be journalist attempts to asked gotcha question to support their narrative about him.
@blob blob yea it was a stupid argument. Black men make up 6% of the US population. If 1% of us were JBP followers and .5% were JBP followers white, they would still say, "he has more white followers."
"Heard of". Exactly my experience.
Black dude from South Africa here, also JBP fan
Changes topic every time he is losing ground :/
Not before he tries to sneak in a point and pretend that both of them agree on it.
@@SupernaturalCBR250R Yeah. I noticed the smug quick arguments or put downs followed quickly by another question so JP had no chance to respond. Do these people understand how petty, ignorant and small this makes them appear?
It is an interview, not a debate. However the insistence on having the last word is quite annoying.
@@130598st How can an interviewer ever have the last word? It is **supposed** to be an interview.
@@130598st Agreed. Debates are adversarial. Interviews are not. Thats what upsets people. When interviews are adversarial
Hes not even controversial, everybody normal likes him
I TOTALLY AGREE. As a woman I don't see were the controversy is. He is brilliant te the core.
As an Australian he isn't as widely known here so I never encountered a hater until I travelled through Yemen with some Americans. When he came up in conversation one of the American men said "He's a foul, misogynistic messiah to pseudo-intellectuals who hate women.". The other two Americans chimed in agreement so I asked for an example. He was genuinely stunned becuase I don't think he'd ever encountered push back on that rehearsed quip. As we were in a place with no internet, and nothing to do for hours but talk, the discussion ended in him admitting that he'd never seen, heard or read anything by Peterson, he'd just been told 3rd hand that he was bad. Sorry for the essay but that was very eye opening to me. I've met people from all levels of society back home and abroad and tens of them laud the positive effect in their lives from Peterson, I've yet to meet someone that hates him as a result of actually listening to said.
I love how almost every interview is an attack and Jordan’s always wins
My thoughts exactly.
I love that Jordon always wins, but I lament the quality of journalists and their lack of integrity.
Painful to watch...the interviewer is so devious. He spoiled the interview which could have been a good one. Poor job interviewer !!
So true Joy
Not devious, just stupid
yeah i thought it was a decent interview until he started telling him he was angry
@@y0bo3000 for an interview he was more of a "you seem like a bad guy" which is every second interview with JP than "how can I make this interview feel new" so "you seem angry" part is scripted as he was reading all that pathetic shit to get a reaction out of him.
Passive aggressive hack journalism
Jordan handles these pathetic interviewers with such grace it is truly amazing
That's why he's popular!
Jeremy B I don’t know how he can answer the same questions that intend to misrepresent or trap him over and over. Also you would think after the first time he did not fall into a trap that they would try a new trap. Not just keep throwing the same one out.
Yes it is hilarious how many times they try to trap him and twist his message and basically attempt to use his fame to gain fame themselves. Step 1 find popular guy, oppose popular guy to show "how much you care" and reap the benefits said opposition.
@@dontimberman5493 It is a total indication of how brainwashed they are, they don't actually want to learn anything from Jordan or let his viewers learn something by asking him something new, they just want to keep on pounding him with the same overused questions for no ones benefit, least of all theirs!
And for this reason such interviewers are good sounding boards for Jordan to clearly express meaning. Plus they illustrate wrong attitudes and wrong types of thinking very perfectly. This all has psychological value, you need people to be wrong to pose an interesting disagreement..
This was such an impressive display of stoicism from Mr Peterson I’ve seen in an interview. Granted it’s some time ago and he has had many, many dialectical and personal challenges since then, but I salute Mr Peterson for his composure and professionalism in this interview. This level of control and level headedness is impressive.
It's frustrating that Simon doesn't seem to pay attention to the answers given and is more focused on trying to catch the person off guard with the next question. However, Jordan being questioned handles every question calmly and articulately, which is an excellent display of fairness and honesty.
I’m a 24 yr old man from Rwanda 🇷🇼 (Africa) and I have introduced Professor Jordan BP to my friends and we love , admirer this guy
Great to hear!
I'm black n from Ghana .... I luv him
I’m a 15 year old white girl from America and I like him 😂😂 just goes to show we aren’t all white men. I’m glad you made your comment.
Ukraine here
That is fantastic.
The interviewer is unbearably irritating. He’s masking his anger because Peterson made him look foolish. He’s insecure and did a horrible job of trying to flip the table with the angry bs. It was impossible for me to not be irritated by him to the point of anger. Good for dr Peterson. I think anger because of the dishonesty of the interviewer in this situation in precisely what it should be. Imagine being that guy’s wife or child. God what a pretentious man
Agree this guy is a big time soy boy. Trying to be intellectually advanced but sounds like your typical cry baby Marxist pansy. He wishes to be a victim.
Completely agree.
Totally agree with the OP, but some of the replies in this thread have to take it down a few notches. The interviewer definitely had an agenda and asked loaded questions, but peterson handled himself gracefully. There's no need to let you anger get the best of you. You shouldn't idolize Peterson, you should follow his example.
Peterson didn't make him look foolish. He made himself look filled with malintent which is foolish.
Yeah the tipping point for me was when he was accusing Peterson of sowing confusion. He had to be willfully ignorant, actively ignoring Petersons views to come to the conclusions they want. It's pathetic
This guy tried to trap him with his sneaky slimy tactics at every turn. Attack a guy for 30 minutes and proclaim at the end he seems angry. What a cowardly snake.
Well done JP. You can tell this man was the one who was angry and failed to project his anger into your soul.
I'm shocked by how smug, mean and incompetent the interviewer is.
...all that and he has a really irritating Kiwi accent, possibly the worst accent in the English speaking world.
To be fair he was very polite unlike the rest of the journalist treating Dr. Peterson.
Totally, that Funt is Cumb as Duck!
I could not finish it and I greatly admire JP for his composure but this guy is one false accusation after another not even disguised as an interview
implyingsc2 I’m not shocked, bored by the same old s*** that falls from his pie hole.
"Hello Jordan Peterson, I'll just barrel through this list of gotcha questions, whilst you eloquently dispatch every one of them"
Howard Alexander exactly!
Haha. That's the TL;DR summary right there.
best summary
I think this is just paid promotion
It’s like bowling at Sir Don Bradman!
It's amazing how these interviewers can not hide their agenda at all. Jordan is doing amazing work.
You can see instantly that Jordan Peterson instantly dislikes Simon Wilson. Smart man.
My dislike was for Simon
Just discovered another journalist that makes my skin crawl.
Me too...pardon the pun. The dude is creepy
@@xorqwerty8276 , Sad, but true.
Good, that means he did his job... The interview would have sucked if he didn't ask any provocative questions. You have absolutely no knowledge of journalism.
He didn't ask questions. He just made a series of strawman arguments for Dr. Peterson to respond to.
Cameron Carter I completely agree. What a grub!
I am stunned by the sophomoric mentality of this so-called journalist. Has the legacy media learned precisely nothing from the Cathy Newman incident? Never mind; these attempts to box Dr Peterson into a corner will continue to backfire, much to the embarrassment of those trying to curate such a disingenuous frame and ultimately winning Jordan further support from honest men and women. Once again, well done JP!
31:25 Shows Dr Jordan Peterson's greatness. His pure intention of his heart, we need more humans like him.
More like "Simon Wilson making a fool of himself in a 35 minutes interview"
Is that his name? I was wondering who the smear merchant was talking to Doc Peterson was.
I didn't just like the comment... I reinforced it with this comment...
@@toastymarket4089 7
I don't understand how these types of people get famous. This guy has such an unpleasant personality and his line of questioning was so manipulative. I don't understand why he isn't repulsive to his viewers.
minervaeiou I’ve lived in NZ for 17 years and have never heard of Simon Wilson. I presume he is a nobody who somehow got to apparently interview Jordan.
The Simon Wilson guy constantly made sly digs at Peterson, was extremely patronising, and understands little of what Jordan Peterson says. He's an incompetent troll interviewer.
@Joseph Lauren Yep, all that sounds likely.
I completely agree John
I see it a little differently. I am a big fan of Jordan’s, however the fact that he has to be constantly on his guard means that some opportunities to further explore and challenges his ideas in these interviews (which takes courage I will admit) are lost when he hides behind the barricades of his long held beliefs.
John Williamson See above.
@@warriormonx Yes, but that's not Jordan's fault. He has said that he goes into these things not knowing what will be asked and how it will go. The journalist has wasted an enormous opportunity to explore JP's mind and produce an interview that will have some positive impact. Alas, he threw his chance down the drain and will only be remembered as a fool.
I have never seen an interviewer so eager for his chance to speak again.
I find it amusing that every journalist who attempts to outsmart Jordan Peterson ends up getting humiliated, and yet they keep on coming.
While there are some highly intelligent journalism majors, journalism is near the bottom of the pile when it comes to average SAT scores of matriculating undergrads.
I'm a woman who is so very grateful to men like Jordan Peterson, and who thinks men like Simon Wilson ought to be ashamed.
I am also a woman, an aboriginal woman, living in JBP's home province, that absolutely admires that man. I am almost done reading 12 Rules and even purchased his audible so JBP himself reads the book to me. I will read this book many times in my life. It's wonderfully written and I even bought a copy for my parents. They now follow his lectures and interviews on KZhead. It's fantastic to watch how being on the RIGHT side always wins over the hateful left. Hilarious really. I don't know who that NZ journalist is but he's such a LOSER. He lost every time he tried building a straw man argument. He would know that JBP is the leader of destroying straw man arguments, but he's literally the male version of Kathy Newman! At least Kathy Newman had grace and could accept defeat.
Its so funny how simon wilson thinks he has J. Patterson figured out. I am so thankful to Jordan
You people give me hope. I'm very thankfull for your comments
It’s clear Jordan really cares for people, he has no agenda he just really really cares... the amount of mainstream interviewers that look utterly foolish, uneducated and ridiculous while trying to put words in to Jordan’s mouth or slander his character show their agenda perfectly, they don’t care about us people. Jordan is a man who have saved people and is trying to awaken society to this and prevent the next Holocaust, trust me it’s coming. Bless Jordan, he has saved my life, a woman whom was loosing hope with society, the comments on all of his lectures and interviews have restored hope, they aren’t all indoctrinated hate filled disassociated individuals. Let’s hope humanity prevails. Blessings.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
As a new Zealander, I’m appalled by this interview. Horrible, absolutely horrible what that journalist was doing. Kudos to JP for being polite and patient with this unprofessional gas lighting journalist. Never liked NZ Herald.
I'm also a New Zealander, and I've never seen this journalist before
@@stephenlindsay3792 neither have I. I guess when your an underground journalist anything goes. When you don’t have a reputation you go and make one. Sadly this is what the journalist will only be known for.
He is a journalist who had point of view, he asked tough questions. There is nothing wrong with that. So why are you crying? Journalist shouldnt challenge quests? JP is a big boy and he handled himself well in the interview.
@@Provenly_Smarter_than_99prcnt I can’t take your comment seriously but at least you tried.
@@mulumilz6833 i understand, its hard to argue logically against my criticism of your untenable emotional "arguments". But hey at least you tried.....kind of.
From New Zealand - I'm so sorry Jordan that you had to suffer this unbearable cretin. Someone should have warned you.
Thank you Jordan Peterson for speaking up in defence of reason.
Hey's not angry dummy. He's "on guard" and "focused" because the questions being asked are trying to provoke him into saying something that can be used against him.
Spot on!!!
Thank you for speaking the truth, that's exactly what the interviewer is doing. But Dr. Peterson in his unbelievable self controlled manner stands firm as a truth warrior should, I applaud him!
William Buchanan exactly!!
Confused anger with intensity. Assuming everyone is supposed to be banal and pathetic, swallowing the emperors new clothes of post modernism.
Why would the nzherald embarrass itself by posting this whole interview? Are they like channel4 and not realize that this doesn't look good for the interviewer?
better than being deceptive bastards I guess, although the end did cut off really badly.
The interviewer embarassed himself, but not the Herald. The nzherald has retained our respect by posting this earnestly. Many people work at the nzherald who do great work.
@@DeityBladeGaming This is the only guy I know of who works at that institution. I assume the sent their best for this interview - a guy with 30 + years in the industry. Going by the quality of this guys work, if he's the best they got the rest must be attrocious.
The interview ends rather abruptly - not even a thank you from the interviewer, which I found rather unusual and odd.
there's no such thing as bad publicity, every view is income
What an appalling interrogator, journalist? Feeble attempts to make Jordan peterson angry . His patience when dealing with these idiots is amazing.
I've seen my fair share of Peterson interviews conducted by aggressive, uninterested activists, but this is a whole different level. There's something deeply rotten and despicable about this Wilson guy and the fact that he unsuccessfully tries to sugar coat it in the hallmarks of classic journalistic engagement just makes it all the more laughable and egregious.
Cathy Newman has grown a beard and now wears glasses?
Cathy Newman had more integrity than this shmuck. She at least admitted that Dr. Peterson got her on the point of contention.
LOL!
Nice!
Ya got me there. Still LOL my friend.
@@xanuui her interview was worse. She was trying to put words in his mouth
I am a New Zealand citizen, and I’ve never been more disappointed in a New Zealand journalist… What ever happened to impartial journalism?! Why not ask him questions about his philosophies, let him answer and then move on… Rather than challenge, attempt to manipulate and try and bait him into a combative situation. God that pisses me off.
That’s a pretty bit claim, Dale. (How quickly they forget the Southern/Molyneux interviews. :-))
I'm a kiwi too. The (vast) majority of journos vote labour
Oh Dale, as I mentioned to another poster above, we here in the US know there is a majority of your 4.5 million just like you and that's why we come to visit!!!
Dale Williams he is probing deep into petersons philosophies by challenging him to find his way out of difficult corners that Peterson is yet to come out of.
NZ media is a shame. It's pure laboratory of PC.
This type of conversation is useful to happen once in a while because you get to see an example of gaslightning attempt and false interviewing get destroyed by proper thinking and managing your emotions in the face of manipulation. Being well informed and educated are the primary tools into facing situations like this. Then you have to say what you think and know preserving your temper. Thank you JP.
This vid should be retitled to "Controversial interviewer Simon Wilson sits down with visiting Canadian psychologist Jordan Peterson" and subtitled "33 minutes of repetitive attacks by deliberate misreading and misrepresenting all available reference material". Hats off to Mr Peterson for handling it with this much patience and dignity.
That guy is the definition of Passive/Aggressive!
Nailed it!
Yeah I couldnt tell if he actually disagreed or he was just playing devils advocate.
@@sparta117corza naaa. He is stiff as a piece of wood at around 25. He is angry.
New Zealand as a country is the definition of passive aggressive.
Yeah man! And then he resolves in blaming JP of being angry. So apparently provocative! Appaling dude....
The interviewer was so biased and one sided that was hard to watch
o0Henry0o he’s a passive aggressive hack
Typical mainstream nz journalism I'm afraid
yep it's sad that this is what they feel that the people want to watch .. didn't the get the notion that people really do enjoy a good progressive conversion and discussion over trying to get sound bytes. All they have to do is look at the views to which people like Micheal Parkinson was able to get in order to know this.
Jordan Peterson has had to deal with a lot of interviewers who think so highly of themselves, whose style is to try to make him angry enough to lose his cool...it is funny because they never can.
Hard to watch how JP can't handle the tough questions, and as per usual he tries to weasel his way out of them. For me it was easy to watch, I am not in the cult.
The real tragedy is that the interviewer probably views Jordan Peterson the exact same way after the interview as before
Agree. There are none so blind...
Beautifully put and well said. I particularly love the point when Peterson explained that, he's not angry, instead he's in pain, it's sadness not anger. Men don't express sadness in the same way Women do. Peterson explains that he's in pain, that it makes him incredibly sad to see that just a tiny amount of encouragement has THAT much impact on Men in general, that it speaks to a disgusting problem in our society...because it does.
Canadian psychologist and author Jordan Peterson sits down with controversial journalist Simon Wilson. Fixed the caption.
🙏 thank you, really, I feel better...
#200 like here now 😀; to say, we think "alike" because damn, you beat me to my own comment idea....by 3 weeks. NZ isn't as F'kd up as "Simon says" now is it? (re: rape crimes) Do speak up New Zealanders !!!
that's good to know I'm from Canada and I don't know a thing about New Zealand journalism. I just assumed he was a big deal.
Can you add creepy?
Spot on 👌
I’m a woman in my 70’s and find Jordan’s lectures are a shining light in dark times. He is an example of a generous bright man who provides leadership to better lives. This interviewer is an ideologue who aim is just to trap Jordan.
We're all lucky to have this man look out for the younger generation. That is the heartwarming part about Jordan. He genuinely cares about our society and is actively working to fight against tyranny and poisonous ideologies.
Thank you! My mother in-law just told me that she loves his videos and his message.
im a 56 year old woman and I wholeheartedly agree with you Roberta
Yep! Vipers do this tactic to take down those who drop truth bombs. They did the same to Jesus 2,000 years ago. They did the same to Ghandi, theyre doing it to Trump, they did this to any person who doesn't fit into their agenda and narrative.
Roberta Boulton couldn’t have said it better , even if I tried .
This world really has gone bunkers. Here is someone that can be easily discerned as genuine and very clear in thought and speech. Able to say what many of us would like to say but don't know how to. Speaking candidly and without vilifying or insulting....sorting the sense out of nonsense etc and the man is literally being tried by all the agenda bearing groups and journalists. We need more champions like this guy. I am not sure what the opposition to him is about though.......He has his opinions which are shared by many.......just that he is brave enough to be publicly and globally vocal and to stand up against this ridiculous agenda to get the whole world to be twisted, perverse and quite frankly, nonsensical. This pronoun discussion for example and calling people all kinds of madness is just a nut job. It is not worthy of a public discussion ........ that is why it is being forced upon us.......because other than that they wont get people not to view it as the result of psycological and mental handicap. But unfortunately it is the result of a serious mental problem. That needs to be pointed or its just going to keep spreading and creating deep identity crisis issues globally
See Peterson being interviewed is like seeing him dance in a mine field, voluntarily.
These interviewers don’t even want to understand what he’s saying.
GlobalFaction they are healthily skeptical.
The IQ gap between these two is massive. It would be quite embarrassing for the interviewer if he was at all self reflective.
That would require some form of intellectually honestly.
Some are, but I suspect that guy is just not smart enough.
exactly.. no news is actually good news with these clowns they only survive acidicly
God it pisses me off when they say "controversial psychologist Jordan Peterson" He's only controversial to you if you're a freaking idiot. Agree with him or not, he engages with everyone honestly and true to himself
I know right...Because 2+2=4 is controversial.
i mean he uses incredibly weasily tactics to justify peoples prejudices without openly taking stances on various subjects so i dont think you can call him honest and true.
He should take it as compliment tbh, nowadays saying Earth is round constitutes as controversial.
@@kuroshthegreat8073 , You are one of those freakin idiot i'm talking about. "Weasily tacticts"? He's got thousands of hours of videos on KZhead, he's spoken to thousands of people around the world, he writes in some newspaper, I mean, it's not like anyone is guessing his opinions on anything. It couldn't be more in the open.
@@bmessier2 i dont care about his books or videos. when he goes into an interview and says a bunch of highly conservative shit while avoiding clearly stating his actual stance then what he says could easily be used by a genuine sexist or racist to justify their views. Thats not an honest way to act in an interview.
I miss mainstream interviews with Jordan Peterson. But I can also understand why he doesn't do them anymore.
This man is sooo articulate. He really understands the meaning of language and what comes out of one's mouth. Example: with respect to the Me Too Movement "Not 'the' movement... 'a' movement"
Wow, I admire JP's willingness to be interviewed by a two-year-old. Well done Dr. Peterson.
JP knows that his easy dismantling of pseudointellectual ambush journalists greatly broadens his appeal.
@@testodude I enjoyed it mainly because I slap the extended hand of any journalist I meet. They’re not worth the powder required to blow them up.
A very badly socialized 2 year old, I would say.
No. This isn't the behavior of a two-year-old. This is the behavior of a very smart man, whose values are very, very poisonous, and he's trying to stain a very good man and destroy him. There's something almost Biblical in how creepy and evil Simon strikes me. Like if you watched someone manipulate an innocent child into committing a crime, purely for the pleasure of smug certainty that morality always loses.
Boo hoo, so lucky that JP has you to say nasty things about anyone who doesn't worship him like you do.
What a manipulative liar. Jordan had to correct him on every question before he even finished it. Lol He was absolutely intellectually humiliated by Peterson
Lot of mind reading on the interviewer's part.
Don't like opportunity of outcome then you've come to the wrong country.
In the 80's kiwi culture wobbled. In the 90's you could find trotskyites, anarchist, it did not produce hardline, disciplined communist.
If you need to be corrected on every question and produce an interview that has been produced countless of times already, you are either stupid or lazy, or both.
@@renzelpounch Sadly they're not as much stupid or lazy as they are malicious.
This is an amazing interview. How could one so completely fail to understand (or pretend not to understand) someone's statements and writing and maintain such an accusatory and condescending attitude? The arrogance is incommensurate with the ignorance. I don't know anything about NZ journalism, but if Simon is a regular part of the Herald, I am also amazed they keep this video available. Well, clicks and all....
I commend any video poster who doesn't disable comments. JP is such an incredible person this World needs
I have not commented on a video in a while but this interviewer was an embarrassment. He was incredibly accusatory, condescending and clearly came in hostile. Disgusting.
Initially I tried to picture him as well researched, presenting the misquotes and misinterpretations which so many people have echoed around the net, but then the cut-offs and switching to another question whenever Jordan had a calm and reasonable response became irritating. I have to agree with your assessment.
Just like Cathy Newman.
I believe JP may be one of the smartest intellectuals of our time. This kind of tough vetting must be the path to greatness. We may not like it but only through fire can the medal be purified.
Poorly conducted interview; the interviewer isn’t interested in the answers to his questions. Uncomfortable to watch.
Sounds like another day in the life of Jordan and the next journalist.
@@vincevirtua Agreed. And I am a middle aged male in a university level humanities course.
Once upon a time journalists were supposed to be impartial. The interviewer is clearly seething at every answer lol Just not a god look.
ANGRY … no.. you can see he’s deeply moved, sad and passionate about helping PEOPLE .. men, women .. and stating facts.. why do people hate facts (not theories or subjective feelings..) it’s so sad.. keep going JP … ❤
Homie tried to implement a preconceived plan of playing “gotcha” for 34mins and failed miserably
Sounds like the journalist didn't care to have a real discussion, not the other way around. Tired of another lame 'gotcha' attempt. And he watched many of Jordan Peterson's other interviews? Then why does this interview feel so repetitively stale in contriving conflict?
Haha exactly. Every time certain questions are asked, I physically roll my eyes and think 'oh God this one again', and my mind boggles at the fact that Jordan manages to stop himself from doing the same.. Seriously I keep waiting for the moment Jordan goes "Are you friggen serious, this again?" and it never comes.
i suspect the interviewer genuinely has no idea of how much academia and the humanities have become corrupted by identity politics
And this marxist who calls himself a journalist, could not refute JP's argument that most critics of JP regurgitate the same tired critcism first publicised by Cathy Newman without reading JP'sm extensive litertature which in the most part discuss those issues
Most pathetic was when he tried to point out maybe the fault is with Peterson when he always get "misunderstood" Without even realize that the fault is with all the thousands journalists who don't get it meanwhile MILLIONS of normal people get Peterson without any problems at all. What a blind fool.
Because that's what a journalists job is. It isn't to have conversations because they aren't truth seekers. Their job is to get a juicy story for their blog or newspaper article which means they will try and poke holes and see if they can get the interviewee to say something interesting that will get them viewers.
Peterson is a perfect example of a man demonstrating the greatest level of patience when confronted with immeasurable levels of ignorance coupled with malevolent ulterior motives. I don't imagine I could ever sit with such calm demeanor and civility if faced with a similar situation. Definitely a person worth emulating.
Joseph Gunderson yeah I personally really love his idea of minimum necessary force. I know it’s not originally his, so I guess you could say I love the way he attempts to act that out and he’s not perfect which is also refreshing to hear him say even he can’t do it all the time, but I’ve definitely been trying to pull that one into my life because I’ve found how much better I can handle myself in stressful conversations or when being critiqued. I read your comment at instantly thought of minimum necessary force so I hope Im not miss reading you there
Amen.
perfect comment. there were so many snarky sarcastic retorts I would've liked to throw at that interviewer. Jordan's way will be much more powerful in the long run, and he knows that. brilliant.
he is a dr. he his treating them has patient wich he should the majority of them who interview him are pretty dilusional
ironic questions followed by systematic interruptions... may just be the worst interviewer I ever saw!
I wonder why the interview was cut off at the end, some interesting ideas were being discussed at that point.
@jordanpeterson, thank you for making the world a better place for everybody ❤❤❤
Another example of a bitter MSM journalist attempting to throw shade on someone creating REAL value in the world. Simon's Twitter = Block everyone that disagrees with him. Simon's article = Slimier than this interview (No comments allowed)
Pitiful if true, but sounds exactly like a lefty. Wouldn't expect anything less.
Simon Wilson is pitiful in his attempt to belittle and misquote a true intellect like Peterson. He shows himself to be a mental midget.
The interviewer is just another regressive that's frustrated the light of truth is shining on the garbage he's bern peddling. He's frustrated they, ghe mainstream media, no longer have a stranglehold on information and that their lies are being shown. Their house was built on sand and crumbling around them. He's a terrible interviewer that cast strawman after strawman and never addressed the points made. He knows dang well equity is code for equality of outcome and not equality of opportunity. Basically he acted like a petulant child that was upset JBP wouldn't bow down before him.
It's getting a little predictable, isn't it?
I agree, this guy interviewing Jordan is trying to throw shade the entire time. Bad and dishonest interview
I don’t want my downvote for Simon to be misinterpreted as a downvote for Jordan, but I don’t want my upvote for Jordan to be misinterpreted as an upvote for Simon. Tough choice.
This is the NZ Herald's page. This is the product they are delivering to the public. Let them know what you think of their work.
As another commenter mentioned and I agree, it’s a good thing that the NZ Herald posted the discussion in full form. But I’m suspicious that they didn’t put their best foot forward with Simon intentionally, perhaps having had seen the view count disparity between ‘controversial’ JP interviews and otherwise constructive JP interviews. I don’t wan’t to support that kind of thinking either, but I wouldn’t downvote based on a suspicion.
I was thinking the same thing ..
JP talks about what some of us think and knows to be true but just not educated enough to put it in words. He's very intelligent and very factual which is hard to come across these days.
I don’t know how he keeps himself from lashing out after such repeated ridiculous prodding. It’s a good lesson for all of us.
Why do they have to tack on 'controversial' every time his name is mentioned?
Calling someone "controversial" is a linguistic trick to avoid revealing distaste for someone and depending on most peoples psychological tendencies to do the work. Controversy = disruptive = bad element = bad person.
Emmy Hucker : perhaps to signal that you should be wary of him, or maybe to drum up intrigue. What I also don't understand is why they always ask the same questions and bring up the same points, like "you've said that feminists crave male domination" or "or you said that a man cannot control a crazy woman". Could be some kind of game to reinforce that he's objectionable or some kind of crackpot. They also just jump about from topic to topic, hardly letting anything develop or flower into an interesting point. It's like they want to get through the interview stirring up a cloud of murk instead of helping to illuminate understanding.
by repeating words like that the msm hopes to plant a negative association in the heads of viewers
Emmy Hucker I have a conspiracy theory that the “controversy” is a ruse to sell tickets. Notice the useless idiots who protest jbp is proportional to the unemployment rate? Also the talent management company that organises these things is very mainstream.
So that left leaning brainwashed types are constantly warned: "Don't start reading this man's work". That is the left's biggest fear, that their ignorant followers will start to educate themselves, see the inherent goodness in some of the "oppositions" worldview, and start to see the left for what it really is: nascent totalitarian tyranny.
Ugh! _"there's a subtext of...",_ _"It's a dog whistle to the..",_ _"You imply that...",_ _"I feel that...",_ _"You seem to be saying that...",_ _"Some people might think that..."._ Why bother addressing people's actual words when you can just insert your own imaginary words into their mouths?
If Peterson has one fault it is that he is too nice. When he catches them in accusations that are false, he needs to STOP the interview. He must force the interviewer to explain him/herself. He must do this to expose the narrative that they pursue. When Peterson lets them move on to the next question knowing that they are going to do it again and again, they will continue until someone has a gotcha question that nicely fits the story they are looking for. To Dr. Peterson: Take your own advise, Don't be the nice guy!
Absolutely BEAUTIFUL comment. It sums up the reality of these utterly anti-intellectual "journalists" perfectly.
EXACTLY! He’s not a journalist at all; rather, he’s an ideologue with an axe to grind and points to score - thinking viewers be damned.
It is a power and control issue..'what you mean' is me taking over your words and therefore being in charge...
This is a great point. You have noticed something really important here. But I think you have gotten it backwards. If someone is screaming "the glass is half full", you have to ask, "Ok, we can all see the glass is half full. So what are you really trying to tell us?"
Simon, as a New Zealander, I speak for us all that this was embarrassing and can u not!
I second that. Do we even have a good, honest journalist in New Zealand? None spring to mind.
I wish Simon wouldn't have gone into it trying to get a viral clip by provoking anger. He could've done better. Well done to him for being polite in terms of conversation function. Well done to Jordan for keeping cool and completely knocking the whole interview out of the park. Clear, concise, and articulate.
Cathy Newman's career might be dead, but her spirit seems to be living on in 99% of other journalists.
Lmmfao 😂
"Urinalists"
nah channel 4 still has her on to d there interviews lmao
If you want my full honesty, at least Cathy Newman was straightforward with her intent. She more so did not understand Peterson _at all,_ and seemed to actually believed her own ideological thoughts. These sleezebags on the other hand don't even care about the topic being discussed. They don't stand for something. Their words are merely tools used to harm their opponent as cleverly as they can. Newman was ideological possession. This man is conscious malevolence.
The part where the interviewer tries to convince JBP that he's angry was particularly distasteful.
yeah, that was his best trick.
@Brad Johnston yep. he dismantled best weapon of this 'journalist'
That was a really cheap thing to do and was nothing but classic gaslighting. It speaks volumes really because the interviewer felt had to resort to that because he had failed at every attempt he had made to twist, lie and smear JP’s reputation. Even when he got clear answers he wasn’t accepting them. Pathetic behaviour and extremely narcissistic.
yea, he was fine until that point. that line exposed his views and reasons.
I live in New Zealand, born and raised. Our media is something our nation is ashamed of to the point of utter contempt. The amateurs of amateurs.... they're appalling.
I'm a Kiwi and I was embarrassed watching this. Some, if not all of his questions were espousing claims that were completely untrue, placed entirely incorrect words in his mouth and tried way too hard to misrepresent him in a way that was just cringe. I cringed so hard that my face almost turned inside out.
Can’t imagine why traditional journalism is circling the toilet bowl. I’m sure I’ll see this guy flipping burgers at Burger King in a few years.
TL;DR The whole interview is: SW: "You do X." JP: "Do you have an example of me doing X?" SW: "You don't think you often do X?" JP: "I don't do X." SW: "OK."
You forgot the extra smug -ok-...so "Ok ok" (barf)
That’s called: > NPCJourno_protocol #372155.exe
A series of “gotcha” questions that all failed spectacularly. Simon Wilson interviews like a first year student in feminist studies. Embarrassing.
There's nothing else to do any more. Peterson has been doing thousands of interviews all over the world for years, and the conversation and topics covered are always the same. I know everything Jordan's going to say before he says it by now. Id rather see some entertainment where he's poked and prodded.
I particularly like Dr. P's method of insult via factual statement (journalists reading other journalists and not reading the source - which flew by undetected by this asshat who clearly wasn't seeking any type of truth or meaning, just seeking his tribal affiliation)
The video stops abruptly at the end. Does anyone know where the full interview can be watched?
This is not an interview. This is a blatant attack. The interviewer does not allow JP to finish his sentences or ideas. If this was done to someone else, people would be completely mad. What an elegant way to handle a very passive aggressive interview!
I am a 44 year old male, my wife is 40, and we are both eternally grateful for Jordan and his work. We both were raised in dysfunction, and I personally had the life skills of a rock. Jordan helped my wife and I to put our life in order. Our marriage is the best it's ever been, our communication is healthy and honest, I am a better father and we are pursuing our dream as entrepreneurs. Jordan helps people. He loves people. We are not just angry young white men, we were broken, confused, lost and overwhelmed. God bless this man.
I personally had the life skills of a rock! 🤣 good one mate! 💕
Well done you, and what you have said is moving. It is stories like yours that repeatedly move Peterson to tears. And the Left hate him for the good that he does.
This Simon guy is so hostile for no reason. He has an agenda to push, and that’s it. Thanks for staying calm and reasonable. Jordan wins again.
@@LouHillierPsych I find it sad that this obnoxious man should believe himself to be intellectually superior to Peterson. He is a brittle bully who deliberately misquotes and distorts.
It is really strange, isn't it
Im 23 years old and I’ve never seen an older man so unwise . Or just completely puppeteered by his oversight. Its so sickening.
300 “gotcha”questions later. Jordan walks away unscathed.
I'm a woman and admire Petersons work. I've never seen so much emotional intelligence and understanding.
Funnily enough, he doesn’t believe in emotional intelligence
I hate it when people say Jordan's content is just for men. It's clearly not. I love it when you and I (men and women) can enjoy it together
very underrated comment 👍
I am a 40+ woman and find dr. Peterson very helpful and extremely intelligent.
total cringe from Simon Wilson, just misrepresenting Jordan's positions or inferring the worst. learn to steel-man an argument my man.
Apparently the worst steal-man argument I ever heard. Atelast, Sam Harris was honest in steal-manning Jordan Peterson's argument.
That guy made sam harris look like a wet dream
I'm in constant awe at JP's ability to stay cool and give mindful answers in these types of inflammatory interviews
NZ Herald is the kinda guy that doesn't allow the dog on the couch and puts slippers on before entering his own house.