Do Women Really Have it Harder? Male Feminists vs Antifeminists | Middle Ground
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[VIDEO TIMECODES]
0:00 intro
0:23 do women have it easier?
5:21 there's no wrong reason to have an abortion
10:03 mansplaining is overly criticized
14:08 women should make their own money
19:56 period pain is over-exaggerated
20:14 innocent men suffer because of feminism
28:45 women are fit to be president
33:27 the gender pay gap is real
38:36 I haven't always understood consent
42:38 male feminists are in it to get laid
47:46 I like living in the patriarchy
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Watching this as a woman is wild.
I’m refusing to watch because it’ll only trigger me honestly. The comments are already mentioning the guy who claims women only want abortions because of unprotected sex. As someone whose been sexually assaulted by a past partner it would just be triggering.
@@turquoisestranger7566 I’m so sorry that happened to you, I hope you’re doing ok now 🫂
@@turquoisestranger7566Women will literally fabricate whole stories of one of the worse traumatic events that an individual can suffer just too feel empowered, and gain sympathy from others. I also hate to break it to you, but most abortions are absolutely because women want zero responsibility or the reprecussions that hookup culture and promiscuous behavior brings.
Respect 🙏 this was a hard watch
@@turquoisestranger7566 i think he meant some woman who do have abortions for that reason no offense.
The fact that no one stepped forward for the “women are exaggerating period pains” made me feel slightly better
why would they. most of the anti feminist there wanted equality. Not demonizing woman.
@@stephaniejohnson5361 some women love to believe that just a small bruise to their egos mean that it is misogynistic although, I would have liked a "men exaggerated getting kicked in the balls" for the female fem vs female anti fem ngl
@@Changed.User100Kinda how men feel like equality for both sexes is oppressive to men.
@@stephaniejohnson5361They didn't even want women to run for president and said horrible things.
@@stephaniejohnson5361the definition of feminisim is literally fighting for equality for everyone
"Being a mother and having kids is what fulfills a woman " 🤦
Yeah, pretty much, unless you want to be single and unwanted once you start getting older wrinkly and unnatractive.
@@aAaa-gj1lhwrong
@@aAaa-gj1lhbro it’s the woman’s choice… mind your business
@@aAaa-gj1lhdespite the obvious flaws of your opinion,after giving birth,women tend to start aging even faster
Found one@@aAaa-gj1lh
"They're not telling them that, they're validating the fact that it's the reality." Bro cooked hard w that one
They had to stop the scene after that because of how he gagged everyone💀
He literally just restated what the dude said but just in his own words it was probably actually stopped because the conversation probably went south from there and not productive
The lack of testosterone in this room is Is A problem.
Damn
I died when Tucker said "If I hear one more person use religion as a reason to not give rights to people, I think I'm going to explode"
I can relate to his frustration sooo much.
I can honestly relate to that quote a lot to be honest. Not everyone has faith or is religious
How do people use religion as a reason not to give rights? Ive encountered more to the contrary tbh
@@the_alexicon Iran, Israel, Palestine, The United States, as well as the Western world which was built on the principles of the Catholic Church and Abrahamic religions.... using it to pass laws, etc.... there is SO much evidence of this.. you just gotta look a little harder lol.
Crazy convenient how they always forget that little part in the constitution
Having a female moderator was a solid move.
Neutral would've been the solid move but nice try. Sorry to clarify I mean neutral as in not for or against feminism.
@@tristanne9262 Lol It made sense if you feel some type of way it proves your bias against debate
Gender matters.
@@tristanne9262 🤔 I wonder what you think you did, I wasn’t mad simply stating their obvious signs of a bias.
@@tristanne9262If you think she was neutral, just say it. Stop being such a prick about it.
Donovan needs to go outside and touch the grass fr. Feels like he has never talk with a woman in his whole life
mitchell
Bro is so mad he has no roster so he became an anti feminist 😂😂😂 11:26
“If a woman feels intimidated that’s on her” “feminism makes men feel upset every day!”
Watching this makes me realise how important emotional intelligence is.
Gonna out on a limb and claim emotional intelligence isn't real and is just a buzzword, on account of the fact that no one seems to be able to define it.
@@theyou-2-bepodcast190 that makes no sense. A simple Google search is going to solve that problem of ignorance.
@theyou-2-bepodcast190 I believe it's the ability to show empathy and sympathy towards others. To reserve judgments for when we truly understand someone's situation. If you think what I'm describing is the minimum, congrats you have high emotional intelligence. I'd also argue that it's the ability to be in tune with your own emotions and express them when necessary.
YESSS and sadly that the majority lacks it
@@theyou-2-bepodcast190 you ever tried googling it?
‘women are too emotional’ ‘men should be able to express their emotions’ in the same conversation is INSANE
Too be fair, neither of those statements are in direct conflict with one another. So why is it insane?
There’s a difference between making rash decisions based on emotion and being able to express your emotion…
why is it insane, it's called balance.
@jacoby dove its hypocritical. the stereotype that women are too emotional is often portrayed in a negative light and seen as over dramatic, why are they criticizing women for being 'too emotional' and then going on to say that 'men should be able to express their emotions' when they roll their eyes at women expressing their emotions? it just doesn't add up
The emotional stereotype makes me laugh. Some men think if a woman is angry for instance, she is being hysterical, and if a men is angry.. well is being a men
donovan would be the first person to get the pepper spray in that room
Why would you pepper spray someone for saying mean stufd
@@Sahlofolin542 congratulations you missed the point of the comment. 🤗 thank you for adding nothing
@@drvoos nah he got you there that's why you upset
@@blank4227 i’m not mad lol
@@drvoos you typed "lol" but are not laughing. I won
The way they complain about all the standards that men have to obtain but in the same breath shame other men if they are more feminine is crazy 💀
The fact that you whiny women think you're victims but then bark mysogny when Men speak up is crazy.
The fact that you whiny women act victim but bark mysogny when Men speak up is crazy and hypocrisy.
I do not like those standards, but i believe trying to reach them makes me grow
"I think women are more emotional"- Says the guy that has said "I feel" more times than I have ever said in my entire life
I never got why people say women are more emotional, if that’s the case why do men commit most violent crimes 😂
@@zedwalkerwomen cry about things more men get angry more. That's what that means. Crying gets you nowhere. Anger helps you to push forward. That the difference.
@@roguegamer8568 it pushes you forward into a hole is what it does
@@roguegamer8568 Are you trying to justify violent crimes?
I'm sorry is anger not an emotion anymore? men are so quick to call women emotional for crying and having normal feelings but turn around and get angry when a girl rejects them. I learned all the different emotions in 1st grade bro@@roguegamer8568
They way the "anti-feminists" are talking THAT confidently about things they never actively got to experience is crazyyy
You dont have to experience the wage gap to understand the original statistic was intellectually dishonest.
@@VileVendetta this
You could say... its... mensplaining 🤭
@@roxane9611 which they denied LMAO
Those specific men lack the empathy part of their brain. Point blank. If it doesn't affect them personally, they don't care to understand.
It's unbelievable that Cloverse used Liz Truss as a negative example and didn't even know what position she held or why she resigned.
She resigned because her awful mini budget plunged the nation even further into debt
And meanwhile, UK had it's longest reigning Queen who got the throne because her uncle abdicated
@@martiepenick3629they don’t wanna acknowledge though. Misogyny at its finest
confusing UK with London was a great touch
Bro totally ignored the existence of Margaret Thatcher
Now I really want to see male feminists and female anti-feminists
*FAP
Vice just did that
That sounds horrific
I'd want to be in that lol
So r/niceguys vs pick me’s?
I feel like there were the 4 feminists, 2 anti-feminists, and 2 straight up misogynists
exactly
Ah, yes, the three genders
@SGN Cloverse and Donovan in my opinion
@SGN DONOVAN
@@yunidai16 the 3 genders 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂💀
Quinten is so real for just saying "hold on" every time someone tried to interrupt him
Three claps to Quinten for being clear, reasonable, and standing up for himself when others tried to interrupt, yet letting them talk too 👏👏👏
Donovan is SO EXHAUSTING. I respect his bravery to come on the show without knowing absolutely nothing about anything
I bet you are a feminist. The bias in your comment speaks.
Yeah.. but I don't know if I respect that part either, bravery or...um stupidity??
Low iq spotted
IM WHEEZING
He's truly clueless.
“I feel like women are more emotional” While the room is filled up with guys yelling and not allowing each other to speak cause theyre mad and emotional.
fr its exhausting seeing then just yelling but not listening, so inmature tho
Yeah, because men think anger and frustration are not emotions, like happyness are not emotions. The majority of men literally behave like todlers, scream and beat up other men or their wives, because they can not control their emotions, but for some reason women are the emotional ones. Just scratch a mans ego a bit and he gets so very emotional, but of course he is not emotional he is controlled while he abuses you and screams at you and If women get angry there is of course no reason for this, because they are just crazy and emotional for no reason
@@insideAdirtyMind, so if men are emotional, what is your solution? Please note that emotions are a bad thing.
@@DavidW-ng5zvthe solution is to let them be emotional and stop telling women that they are emotional for acting in the same way 😅
@@DavidW-ng5zvplease note that anger is an emotion.
THE WAY DONAVAN MADE ME SCREAM EVERYTIME HE SPOKE
AND CJ
Ikr...I was going insane listening to him.
LITERALLY I COULDNT
Grow up
@@alia_1lu4vccj is a dawg fr
Clarkson annoyed me but he ate up the “Women are fit to be president” statement
“Patriarchal society is the way society runs best” The Earth is literally DYING 💀💀💀
THISS like there are BIGGER PROBLEMS 😭😭😭
World was better years ago according to you then when men literally traded daughters to maintain peace among their kingdoms.
LMAOO IKR
its better than matriarchal for sure
Dude our society is on its death spiral and you think the degradation of the concept of a patriarchal society isn’t the culprit?
CJ: "It's a shame that the world is so black and white" Also CJ: "Men are supposed to protect and women are supposed to raise children"
CJ is like an off-brand Andrew Tate.
@@dsp4392 he looks like if andrew tatee didnt go bald
@@nathangaspacio6128he ain't bald More
CJ is full of contradictions. He kept saying that he isn’t a victim and isn’t oppressed but also he feels that men suffer under feminism. Like which one is it?
PragerU hires their bests...
the dude who actually refused to get interrupted, props to u
Funny how 3 of 4 of the feminists men mentioned in the conversation that they have a woman whereas none of the anti feminist mentioned it. It means what it means 😂
Do you need to have a woman to prove a point? Isn't that sexist.
Says a lot about "being a feminist to get laid part though "😂😂 Hey, i´m the hope, i got a girlfriend and ain´t no way i follow the stupidest,bitchest and deshonest movement in the modern 21st century.
@@Vishnuk-fe9iv Nah it's just showing that these people are actually more capable of maintaining a relationship than the anti-feminists due to the fact that they are able to resonate and connect with women based on their beliefs. The anit-feminists have views that most women (who would respect themselves) very obviously don't agree with.
not defending the anti-feminists in anyways but Clarkson was in another video representing gay conservatives… i don’t think women are his type
@@kyorna they're just beta buxxing. They'll never make women swoon for them like handsome and often mysogynist chads do. Cope
Imagine arguing that women shouldn’t be presidents because they are “emotional beings” while also saying that men should be allowed to show their emotions more without judgement from society.
so both problems are solved then....
you say that based on absolutely nothing though. You just made a completely generalized statement based on nothing and applied it to half the population
Female Presidents aren’t a new thing.
maybe he means no one should be president 🤣
I mean if you are overemotional and someone is emotionless if the emotionless showed more emotion and was still more reasonable you wouldnt choose the woman in this case.
watching this as a woman is an out of body experience tbh
Oh, poor baby. LOL You are so oppressed.
@@floydclark6710the football icon tells us all we need to know. thank you for your opinion.
@@like_grrra Yeah. Nobody who is a fan of football could possibly be correct about anything. Well played, ma'am.
@@floydclark6710 you didn’t really say anything worth discussing, you just mocked a random woman lmaooo
@@like_grrra I certainly did mock a random woman. However, I would argue that it is worth discussing why so many women are professional victims in today's Western culture. You're intentionally dodging the issue that I'm mocking.
Donovan is never getting a girlfriend.
I don't think he's looking for one honestly
@@brownskinbeauty.I hope he isn’t
@@akt3037 I think he likes men and that may be why it comes off as hatred towards women
i mean....hopefully he won't
False accusation rate for rape is around 3-7%. Rate of NOT REPORTING RAPE AT ALL is 89%
genuinely curious how do they measure it if it's not reported at all 💀
@@randomguy8800 Looked it up. They do surveys. I'm assuming that unreported means not reported to police. I could see the confusion due to OP's use of "at all"
“So women can use their face to get on a guy’s yacht?”. “Yeah”. “Does that help then vote?” That convo was insane.😂😂😂😂
its insane beacause it had no relavancy
it was sooo random😭
i can see his thought process but i think it came out very wrong lol
Only because he thinks men don't do that 😊
@@indrebutku Men actually don't
the amount of times feminism is confused with misandry is actually shocking
Today's feminism don't make feminism different from misandry
Yeah, some people that identify as feminists are confused themselves
Like it was crazy that it wasnt mentioned once either
you would be surprised at the amount of self-proclaimed feminists on twitter that proudly call themselves misandrists, as if it's a thing to be proud of. it's sad.
@Bee "it's not a form of hatred" Bruh Misandry (/mɪˈsændri/) is the hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against men. Bigotry usually comes from some sort of hurt, that doesn't make it justified.
As women we don't have to be told that we need to be scared to be in a room full men we already are
well that's incredibly sexist and pathetic of you, congratulations!
That's what i was thinking, if I'm in a room with just men(especially if don't them) i will feel uncomfortable
Thts an irrational fear
@Cherry-pu4mx **that's It's not an irrational fear for women trust me
@@katrin_quinn it is an irrational fear.
The fact they barely listened to the female moderator says ALOT
Male moderators have the same problem. Just watch the 2020 presidential debates. Confirmation bias.
How did they not lmao
@@sarahko1014 I'm pretty sure she told them to not talk over each other and a couple mins later they're talking over each other again
@@kyorna Yeah but the irony is that the person who listened to the moderator the least was the feminist guy in the orange.
@@sarahko1014 inreality women cant really control men if the men dont want to.and that guy seems like very feminine.
As a woman, I can tell you that I know with confidence who I would feel physically and emotionally safe around and who I would not, from this video.
I love how the antifeminists look exactly how I pictured them to look, would definetely cover my drink when they enter a room...
Okay I agree with some of their points but for the most part they were just braindead incels so yeah I would agree.@@actinaction
they getting laid huh?
thats so real
@@actinactionexactly, I agree completely, not so much with the comment previously because I feel like they’re all educated but I feel a lot safer with the anti-feminist than the feminist ngl just because the feminist came out talking more aggressively, unprofessional, kept interrupting and being dismissive with the anti-feminist points while the anti-feminist would actually listen and try to give an actual educated answer. Now I MIGHT JUST BE SAYING THIS BECAUSE I’ve been raised by anti-feminist and been around them more that I can completely understand where they’re coming from
kevin came, spoke respectfully, didn’t speak over others and listened. i am kevins biggest fan. what a sweet person
Yeah he nailed it. I was consistently impressed with his responses.
i agreed with everything he said. he was quiet throughout but when he spoke, everyone went quiet
FACTSSSS
His girlfriend is a very lucky lady! I'm so in love!
@@samhayet4286 it's funny Kevin and his group had girlfriends and the anti feminist were single males
A nice example of mansplaining for folks that believe it doesn't exist : One time, a guy asked me on Discord how long my period lasted (yeah don't ask why) I replied eight days because my period lasts longer than the norm. He then said that I was lying, hence NOT A WOMAN, and proceeded to explain to me how periods and menstrual cycles worked. Mansplaining does exist and it's freaking ridiculous to experience lmao
I wouldn’t be surprised AT ALL if the mf on discord was either CJ or that Donovan kid
lol average guy on discord or reddit, wouldnt be suprised if he had a fedora, a double chin, and a neckbeard
Wht? Discord is a platform in which anonymity is practiced. Of course he is going to be skeptical by your answer differing to what he thought was correct. If this is mansplaining then I've seen this with women so often.
Stopped reading the moment you mentioned ''Discord''
Bro’s traumatic experience was on discord 🤣
not all feminist are antimen, only the extremists. there are extremists in every movement
Feminism is anti male ideologically, by saying women are oppressed and men are privileged when it's completely the other way around
Louder boy🎉
90 percent of them are
Everyone already knows that, it’s just that the ones that are anti men seem to be the most assertive and sometimes the loudest and most normal feminists don’t seem to condemn them that much and when they do instead of just saying “misandry is bad and not we don’t stand for it”, it’s usually “misandry is bad but not as bad a misogyny because……but that doesn’t mean misandry is ok”. That therefore leaves the misandrist to become the most heard voice in your movement, that combined with the lack of condemnation of them on your part means they become the face of your movement whether they deserve to be or not.
The idea that men don’t also have ‘pretty privilege’ is false. Attractive men are able to easily use that to their benefit as well. Attractiveness is a different conversation. Unattractive women and men will have to work a little harder in certain contexts regardless of gender
True but women also value other things way more so looks become less of an advantage in comparison.
True buddy i work at subway and if you're a cutie with a pleasant attitude you are getting EXTRA whether you're a boy or girl!!
You're just gonna ignore the fact that women are seen as beautiful TEN TIMES more than men
Lol. Not even remotely to the scale women use their pretty privilege.
More women are attractive then men. Just like more men are physically stronger then women.
Respect for Kevin for staying patient and sharing his opinions calmly
Fr
Fr he was super respectful for both men and women
Litterally
True feminist
t’s called being asian and having respectful values. Everyone else thinks just cause they’re louder means that they are correct.
Love the way how calm Kevin talks about these topics and is chilling the atmosphere down. That makes his saying so much more powerful and rememberable. Also love how precise Quinten can describe his thoughts, so a lot of people can easily understand his points.
As the mother of a daughter, I am so encouraged to hear half of these men speak (in particular Quinten and Kevin). I want to rage puke listening to Donovan.
Cool but it’s a discussion so attack his argument not his character
I hate discussions like this because of the self-righteousness and anger that overrides people's ability to listen. This is the perfect example of "most people don't listen to understand; they listen to reply."
Very true
I agree 100%. But it did feel like both sides were listening too each other.
Agree. I usually click on these videos and just read the comments. It's too frustrating to listen to people not listening.
I was just thinking that
beautifully said.
that antifeminist saying "don't have sex without protection" if you don't want a baby... i hate that nobody mentioned the topic of r4pe and the fact that protection isn't even completely foolproof.
Less than 1% of abortions come from rape. I do get your point, but it is not really valid to base your opinion about abortions with SA cases.
@@jwgkouseband4146 and most most rape is because these women go out to clubs with strangers who are drunk and maybe horney.
@@jwgkouseband4146 why? its still existent so u can base ur opinion on that
@@manofyourdreams129 Because it’d eliminate around 99% of abortions.
Contraception is 100% unless you're a moron and producers write 99% to have an escape route from lawsuits in case consumers are absolute morons. Sperm can't go around a condom if it doesn't break, the pill indeed prevents ovocytes from being feconsated. R4pe is the exception not the norm among unwsnted pregnancies so your point is moot. No one is arguing to force you to keep your r4pists baby.
The thing I loved the most was that whenever Kevin spoke, everyone in the room was in complete silence
“When a girl is crying, they’re a princess and they’re given the world.” Ok bro. Ok 💀
Where's the lie?
@@comentaristametaforico9287 Your mom saying she loves you
Same guy mocking women for being "emotional"
@@comentaristametaforico9287in front of me …
Society doesn’t rlly care about men’s struggles so he’s not wrong
As a woman, the amount of times i had to pause this video just to take a deep breath is insane!
THIS
What a wuss
And what triggered me is the most is that is the abortion topic.Because I don't think there is no wrong reason to abort because it could have the environment or health reasons.
Huh? why does one get out of breath from watching a video.
@@jwgkouseband4146not out of breath. Yk after a long day of work you get home and just take a breath and sigh? That’s what they’re talking about. Perhaps this person is angry or sad about a few of those men’s opinions about the topic that it becomes frustrating for some people to watch as people have the whole idea of a topic that is about them(this person is a woman as stated) is wrong.
The fact that between anti feminists and feminists, they can all agree that period pain isn’t exaggerated because they know for a fact they can’t say anything on that because they simply don’t experience it, is lovely.
@@RetroMamba that is not something ANYWHERE close to period pain... why are you comparing the two?
@@RetroMamba there two different things
@@RetroMamba are you admitting to rape online sir?
@@RetroMamba yep totally the same thing
@@coinedartist9893 You have no idea whamen
"When girls are crying or upset, they call them princesses and give them the world" BRUH we're called dramatic and hysterical like gtfo.
Guys don't be mean to Donovan, he forgot his brain at home.
Bold of you to assume he has one
@@darioadaseqthis
@@darioadaseqLOLLL
That’s kinda racist
Kinda racist picking on him for his ethnicity
The fact that those two dudes stood there at the president prompt. Thats crazy!
"when you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression." - Franklin Leonard
yes !!!!
Yep. Exactly what you’re seeing in this video.
facts
Meaningless platitude in place of an actual argument
Say it loud🎉
Donovan is the type of person that humanity fought against for nearly all its existence
Naah. Humanity has actually shunned the pussified men like the feminist ones on here. Societies have fallen because of these men. Weak men were always faught against
In other words you flunked out of school
@@stephensharper4312What do you mean?
The statement is completely nonsensical. Humanity has not fought against a type of person...ever. That's just not how it works at all. Any discipline in school should make that assessment impossible as there are no grounds to back it up. History isn't some comic book publication with archetypical villains. @@MinisDunyasi5
LMAO made me laugh fr 😂
‘It is a life at birth’ when he meant to say conception 😂😂 Freudian slip of I’ve ever heard one BAHA
"the easiest way to spot the smartest person in the room is to see who is the most quiet person" - someone smart
"It's better to remain quiet and have people think you a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt." - a misquote of a quote attributed to either Einstein or Twain I forget
"Women are emotional being" meanwhile this is Jubilee's most emotionally charged video
If it women it will even more emotional
It’s an extremely sensitive topic in the present day so doesn’t rlly have anything to do with them being all men. If you think women are not more emotional than men then you’re seriously deluded
@@huellfring1434 anger is also an emotion btw
@@ap7football933 Men are clearly more emotional. Look at them, they can barely sit and listen to each other. Constant interruptions, barely hearing the others point. Makes sense you’re ‘seriously deluded.’
@@t.g.6080 😂😂😂😂 you did not just say that, men are more emotional than women? What exactly are you smoking? There’s having an opinion and then just being in straight denial over a blatant fact
Being a woman and listening to all these random men put words in our mouths about how we feel, think etc… Is really weird and uncomfortable for some reason
i think its hilarious honestly
Yeah no one asked you dishwasher
they think they can speak for us which is disgusting
Its taste awful😂
yeah this video made my stomach hurt a little bit
KEVIN IS SO WELL-SPOKEN AND CALM.
Saying in first place that you’re antifeminist already tells a lot about your ability of misunderstanding such a simple principle.
if you're anti-feminist you're a fan of the truth go cry abt it
@@The.rapist911 username adds up
@@yawnzzn1206 No argument detected opinion rejected
“If a woman feels intimated it’s on her” THATS CRAZY how do you even say that and full heartedly agree with that statement😭
What IS wrong with that? Its the Woman that decides to ASK for a raise. If she isnt confident enough she will earn less. Life isnt fair
And then they go on to say, men feel intimidated and weak because women are empowered. And it's all women's fault. What a level of hypocrisy!
@@heffsiBc she gets treated in a way that puts her in a position to be more intimidated than other men?💀
@@heffsifacts. If feminists want equal rights, they should also have equal responsibilities
@@rosebon9875fear is subjective. Saying hello to someone may intimidate them Walking on the same side walk may intimidate them. Yes its on the person if they feel fear from potentially innocuous things.
What about women who aren't conventionally pretty? What about women over 40? What about women who are infertile? What about women who are neurodivergent? What about women who are in countries where they are still denied education and other basic rights and safety because of their gender? Where does society see their value?
If you have to resort to intersectional arguments to make a point about feminism you are basically proving that men and women are already equal.
I think they mean most women in their prime can have it easy in life when it comes to opportunities and such just by being in their prime. I believe we should fight for human rights but I also see where they’re coming from.
What about people...
Some of them can barely handle a discussion about basic rights 💀 You’r asking too much lol
Say it QUEEN speak 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I would urge anyone that’s unsure on the issue of abortion, to research Jen Pepples on this. ‘Consent to having sex is not consent to becoming pregnant, and consent to becoming pregnant is not consent to remaining pregnant’ Her and Tracie Harris explain this perfectly 👌
36:42 They skipped over the fact that COMPANIES SHOULDN’T BE OFFERING A DIFFERENT WAGE FROM THE START!
“They are losing their ability to compete in beauty pageants” “oh boy” was my immediate response too like that’s the issues we are facing
As a woman, that truly affects heavily me on a daily basis
😭😭😭
No because… 😂😂😂
Pageants objectify women and put women against each other
He is talking about trans women, which is a big current issue, because it's slowly taking more opportunities away from women. Nothing else is blatantly taking away womens rights
Kevin reminds me of my dad: he doesn’t have to dominate conversation, he listens intently, but when he DOES speak, he spits facts. How respectful. EDIT: Thanks for the likes!
he did not speak facts 😂
@@aaronaguayo4766 maybe he did not speak facts that you wanted to listen. 😂😂😂
@@pc_hmk2204 he didn’t speak facts. he couldn’t define anything he spoke on, he literally is like a figurehead that’s speaks on what he’s seen other radical feminist say.
@@cam_br0wn426 Crazy concept that you surround yourself with people you agree with
your dad is a great guy
im cryinggg at the close up of quintons face at 16:33 at donovan's yap cause i had the same reaction lolll
With the abortion, they’re acting like it always has to be because of accidental pregnancies. What if the woman wanted a kid, but it’d be life threatening to her? She has to go through with it and not only put herself in danger, but also the kid you so deeply care about? The way they’re immediately prioritising the fetus over a grown person is crazy
“Period pain is exaggerated” topic was hilarious. Im glad no one came forward 😂
Talking about eating icecream when you have period is cringe.
But I bet if there was a group of women and the prompt was “Do you think men over exaggerate pain when they are hit/kicked in the balls?” every women would have stepped forward.
@@mimo5853 bet away. Nobody really cares about thoughts here
@@mimo5853 not you comparing period pains to getting kicked in the balls as if getting kicked in the balls is a regular, monthly occurance😭
@@mariunfabregas7533 And in some cultures, an occurance that is shamed upon
The way my jaw just dropped when that one guy didn’t believe women should be financially independent from men. Oh my gosh.
And his reasoning….. ayayaye 🤦♀️
What does it matter.
He was the only truly reactionary person there. The other "antifeminists" are just against feminist terminology like "toxic masculinity," "mansplaining," etc. Donovan is the only one who is a true koolaid-drinking traditionalist.
And plenty of feminist women who don't want men to be househusbands.
@@0doublezero0 What? Excuse me? Give me evidence, please. I'll fight you with evidence of the opposite side back!
I don’t know why I voluntarily watched this… I’ll just be laying in bed angry tonight I guess
It’s healthy to see diff perspectives
As a female, I am in shock💀
I never knew men where so emotional… as a women I just life my life and then there is this
Tucker replying with "are you aware of all of history" is the highlight of this whole episode
As a history major I laughed so hard lol
the way he was saying "if women feel intimidated thats on her" but then also argues that society is "demonizing masculinity" and that whole argument is the funniest thing to me
Is it also funny to you when a feminist has double standards?
@@LightAndShaddow5my double stander in a guy is that he has to be fictional
@@Stinkyfefefe Is that funny?
@@collective654 How?
@@LightAndShaddow5 I like fictional men
As a women, the way that some of these guys were talking is actually terrifying. Anytime CJ spoke all I heard was “it doesn’t exist” mansplaining, patriarchy, the pay gap, and being a victim. Like- WHAT? and anytime Donovan spoke I wanted to light myself on fire ISTG. Thank goddess that Kevin, Josh, Quienten, and Tucker were there other wise Id be in a psych ward
YES their actually so uneducated it's insane
Lmao the moderator bossing them around 🤣🤣🤣 she’s honestly doing a wonderful job
Anyone noticed how when Kevin (the guy on the feminist-side with a black and white jacket) spoke, everyone just stopped and listened without interrupting him? He was so calm so that when he spoke, nobody felt the need to cut him off or anything like that. That guy is a perfect example of why staying calm is the way to win an argument, every single time.
yess!!
The softest spoken person in the room is always the most powerful.
hes fine asf LMAOSOAO
Feminists are usually the ones who get angry and cut you off when arguing with them, no matter how calmly you point something out. It's impossible to argue with ideologues.
@@CalmInTheMidstOfChaos unless your a woman cuz then you are scientifically more likely to get spoken over or interpreted
Kevin is my hero. Also anybody kind of laughing about the fact the men on the feminist side mentioning their girlfriend, wife, daughters and their experiences? Which either speaks for them in a sense that they actually got game or that these people are proud and mindful of their experience with a woman in their life.
Pretty sure two of the a antifemenists are gay and the other two are incels
No sane person uses the word "game" in this context lmaoooo
@@mattwilson7443i thought clark was cool? i feel like he was more feminine then anti feminine, clark being the white guy with short blond hair
yeah i found it interesting and funny that besides Clarkson (who is openly gay) the feminist men had more to say about their partners, indicating they actually have them... and it's not a coincidence why lol
@@mattwilson7443man I feel like all of them are gay lol. I'm sitting here like "how does this even effect yall?"
i love quinten going the "hold on, hold on" as people try to interrupt him. say your part king. don't let them do that to you.
"Mansplaining is not real" was a great example of mansplaining tbh
This😂😂
This can apply to women then too lol
@@Cherry-pu4mx women don’t pretend like they are better and know everything… we just chill and live our lives
@@ezra8545Men don't do that either but we try to provide input with whatever we can. That's called "trying to be helpful".
Im not done with the video yet, but so far I really appreciate how the feminist men don’t seem like typical “nice guys” they seem much more genuine in their feminism.
Yes, and several of them have women partners!
The two more reserved men seem like nice people, but the other two men wearing orange sweatshirts are absolutely insufferable.
This is a joke right….
@@jkn111111no?? why would it be??
@@user-tl1vl9vw9lcause all the feminist men seem very feminine themselves. They act like women can do no wrong the antifeminist side was a more realistic
It's so crazy to me how many men say that women are more emotional but also feel so emasculated by everything. Just because you don't realize when emotions aren't affecting you, doesn't mean you're not emotional
Exactly, it will almost always come out in a maladaptive way if not processed with transparency. So many people seem to struggle to wrap their heads around this.
Men are more emotional and have less self-aware edit since people will take this the wrong way: obviously, women TEND to be more emotional yes, but I am replying to what OP said, in the way men often do not realize they are projecting and using internal emotional bias while thinking they are stoic lol. Women are more likely to know they are emotional, while men are not. Hence the lack of self-awareness.
@@v.xien. The chemicals in the water are turning the males into sissies.
I’ll add - in my Opinion inherently this isn’t something to ridicule anyone for, it’s a result of conditioning over a long period I think. But I think there comes a time where people should not think they’re exempt from embracing their emotions because it makes them any less ‘manly’. I think that’s where some pride and toxicity comes in but I just don’t really understand what is shameful about emotions. I think what they take to be ‘male traits’ like being courageous and powerful for example is actually synonymous with taking stock of your emotions and tackling them with acceptance and learning rather than maladaptive coping such as violence or substance abuse. Or even just bitterness or arrogance. Which is what many people seem to have.
That's not even the point. It was scientifically proven that males and females are intellectually equal. The only reason men seem more violent or women seem more emotional is purely the patriarchy
30:17 The zooms on Tuckers 😐 face while Donovan is talking got me giggling
I’ll always have 911 on speed dial around Donovan
None of y’all have any idea how many times I paused this just to argue by myself
Sameee
Lmao
Sameeeee
ME TOO
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Kevin is so incredibly mindful and thoughtful, and his overall demeanor is just reassuring.
i fuking hate kevin i hope something bad happens to him.
He’s such a gem
He is sexy.
Loved him from the second he starte talking
He a feminist, aka brainwashed
I’ve been following Clarkson on Instagram for a couple years now and I love how middle ground he is on a lot of things, how he’s a free thinker who has his own independent views on things but is still brutally honest with his unpopular opinions. I am happy to see that his middle grounded-ness was on display in the debate as well.
"I cant think of any other reason than to get laid..." wow imagine not being able to wrap your head around empathy.
Thank you Jubilee for giving me an idea about who I should stay away from
Who?
Just remember these are ideas. Just because they may express a view that you may not enjoy doesn't retract that they are people who may be nicer than you may believe.
@@Juicegoat_ if they think that we are innately weaker than them and have life perfect, then i dont want them to downplay my feelings and emotions as "woman weakness". politics DEFINE PEOPLE
@@Juicegoat_ Well these ideas are what shape their personalities so there's no going around it.
@@ame2395 Weaker how though? Physically it’s obvious women are weaker than men. Emotionally, women are stronger than men. We are just different.
Nobody says nothing back to Kevin cause he’s so calm and has amazing responses, props to him.
Is he the patriarchy guy? Cause it was just because he sounded brain washed
@@danimotherofchickens479 he is the one in the flannel thing
Kevin really was amazing, totally impressed me
@@danimotherofchickens479 Lol… ok girl
or cause the anti-feminist part is more listening
12:45 “I promise you if you did that it would be just fine” cracked me up, bro dropped the hardest line, proved his point and ended the conversation in one sentence
We both have our problems. Why spend all our time arguing who is worse off while we could be working together to build a better future for humanity?
because people are having a hard time getting laid lol
I REALLY like how the guy in the orange shirt, Quinten, just says "hold on" whenever someone tries to interrupt him and finishes his thought.
"if a woman feels intimidated, that's on her" was my breaking point this video
Its true though. You can feel any certain way about whatever. It's not everyone else's job to make sure that you aren't offended all the time
@@datsko6339 offended and intimidated are two very different words, my dude. If people feel intimidated around you, that's 100% on you and not them. Sorry!
@@butchcoolidge2533 no. If you are trying to be intimidating, that’s on you. If you are intimidated, that’s also on you
@@datsko6339 I don't understand how that makes sense to you at all lmao. If someone is beating you for no reason, is getting beaten up on you too? Bizarre way of thinking
@@butchcoolidge2533 that’s completely different. If you are intimidated by someone who isn’t trying to be intimidating, that’s on you. That’s not the other person’s fault.
Men and women are equally as emotional, we just have a tendency to express them differently.
4 feminist, 2 antifeminist and 2 straight up misogynists. Well that was fun.
I'm extremely concerned for whoever ends up having Donovan as their partner
Do you actually think that will happen in this lifetime
I think he’ll be single for life 😂
@@susanaavv he gives conversion camp graduate to me, so religiously manipulated
Quinten was super annoying and so were all the anti feminists.
He ain't gonna get a woman unless he gets an arranged marriage, lmao. He shouldn't reproduce.
kevin was my favorite. he didn’t speak often but when he did, he spoke facts. and everyone else was silent when he spoke. go kevin go
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as soon as video started i saw how nice and softspoken he was and said that guy isnt gonna be able to talk more than two lines. especially with expert yapper donovan
I love Kevin sm! He was the calmest but also got his point across. Def made it slightly less chaotic omg
I love how confused and disgusted the feminists were whenever the anti-feminists were speaking 💀💀