Are Men Falling Behind? Male Feminists vs Female Antifeminists | Middle Ground
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0:00 intro
0:25 Women have more privileges today than men
9:58 Men are falling behind in society
22:36 Women should also be drafted into the military
27:23 Female sex workers should be more respected
33:36 Men should take birth control
38:55 Being a mother is the most valuable thing a woman can do
44:48 Men need to be masculine to keep their families safe
50:30 The differences between men and women should be celebrated
So what did you think of this episode of Middle Ground? Did anyone surprise you?
Yes there was a female on the male part
stop making these
Janelle was very pick me to me I thought she would be more middle ground
@@lanaxv why? It gives perspective and educates. Helps you make out your own opinions and values.
Yes, it surprised me how these women were so apathetic and ignorant to the struggles of others.
Jubilee never fails to find at least one person that’s infuriating in every episode 💀
I wonder of who you refer??? 🤔 😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂omg
You gotta be talking about the women in the Red Dress lol
It makes better tv. They obviously picked them.
Honestly, I just want them to exclude the crazies in these talks since they really devalue the conversation.
I don’t understand why people think a woman’s brain falls out of her head because she feels an emotion
Logic and reason falls out when emotion comes in the way
Fr, like when that lady in red brought up the military thingy it made no sense. First of all, every gender is capable of feeling fear from stuff like that. Second of all, we all have a brain, so we all can learn how u r supposed to act in such situations.
yeah, every study ever that has been conducted on womens vs mens brains as shown that women are smarter, more logical, develop their frontal lobes way sooner in puberty and young adulthood than men do. also i dont understand why an emotional nurturing president is bad?? shouldnt you americans vote for a president who cares for the people and makes choices more based on morals, logic and empathy rather than cold brutal competition and war?
Because a lot of people don't count anger as an emotion, men can seem less emotional, but that's not true at all
@@MayaMickaMicak Anger is mos def an emotion. Men and women both can be very emotional. Men are simply socially conditioned to not cry a lot. A little is acceptable. A lot is not. Whereas women are conditioned to cry. Women learn at a young age that their tears have power. Just my observations.
I literally don't understand how Janelle can say she won't take birth control because she doesn't want to put something unnatural in her body but gets giant breast implants in
LMFAOOOO
EXACTLY!!! Like we totally couldn't tell you've had artificial work done
her whole face 😭
Breast implants sit on the surface of the body? Birth control plays with your insides.
Not just B implants, tanning, fillers, and who knows what else.
Some of them are confusing "womens" privilege with pretty privileged.
Ong
!😊
Yea all those women that survived the titanic were gorgeous
There is no difference. Are there men with "pretty" privilege?
Yesss @@FlurryJoe
“having kids is very financially difficult” “i’m fine” HOW IGNORANT could you possibly be
FOR REAL
omg so annoying
Like they genuinely think if everyone had the same opportunities they would still be homeless and starving etc... So brain dead
That’s what I’m saying!!!
That is their whole argument. These anti-feminist women don’t think about other women. They’re like, “I’m fine”, what are these other women complaining about?
“why don’t you get a vasectomy?” “i did” i’m dead that was such an amazing moment
Fr! My jaw dropped and I had to pause the video and playback that moment 😂
he’s an icon
STOP, THAT PART WAS SO UNBELIEVABLY SATISFYING!!!!!! THE LOOK ON HIS FACE TOO MY DUDE WAS ABOUT TO END HER WHOLE CAREER
That guy didn't seem happy to me.
And he became hotter when he said it.
Janelle : women are inherently loving and nurturing and caring Also Janelle : proceeds to be the most hateful and condescending and unreasonable
I despise that stereotype it's so traditional. Like we are in the 21st century now!!
Other than the leader part, I don’t think she said anything offensive. Her points were valid.
@@tessanewson6556stereotypes are based on facts and we need traditional roles to keep the society functioning and thriving
@@Itsmesaucekayuchibi no one attacked her points in this thread, although I certainly could. it's more like her demeanor was incredibly smug and distasteful.
@@tessanewson6556 It is not a stereotype it is a generality. As with any generality there are exceptions but it is also true and backed up by the social science and psychoanalytical data/research spanning for decades.
“I don’t put pressure on my son to be straight. I just tell him he has to be attracted to women.” Make it make sense Jenelle 🙃
Like biology intended. Dont normalize homosexuality.
Telling your son to be attracted to a woman is the same as putting pressure on him to be straight
I thought the LGBTQ were welcoming of all orientations? What if she’s fine with her son to be attracted to trans-women ? That’s not straight, that’s pansexual.
*should… makes a difference
Well it does, sexuality refers to sex, not gender, which are different according to liberal ideology.
janelle saying she wouldn’t put birth control in her body while having two very obvious implants is sending me
😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂 so true!
I was thinking that too but then she said she was sex trafficking so it might not have been her choice entirely. I am giving the benefit of the doubt.
LMAOO
😂🔥🤣🔥🔥🔥 she's a bimbo
janelle saying “women have hot bodies, they have men naturally coming to men but men have to build bodies” while having silicones??? the audacity
🤣
I didn't see her boasting about her attractiveness.
she wants to talk about trans ppl getting gender affirming care like those implants aren't gender affirming to her as a women
YESSS
She was sex trafficked so it might not be her choice tho
when janelle said being poor is a "mental state"🤩🤩 it really just showed how disconnected she is
Literally thought the same thing! In sociology college courses you are taught about the myth of "poor culture"
Being poor in a first world countries is a just a mental state.
How is it "disconnect" when she herself came out of some of the shittiest circumstances a person could live through? Speaking for the way life is in the U.S., poverty could become a mindset if you convince yourself you will be in poverty forever, and do nothing to bring yourself out of it. That is 100% a mindset. It's odd however that you won't give her the proper credit and benefit of the doubt considering she has changed her situation for the better.
Lol she is disconnected because she is egging on poor people who cannot afford children to reproduce, merely because she got away with having a child she had to depend on others to raise,@@whitepicklejuice
Being poor is a mindset. You can be poor but have a plan to escape it. If you have no plan and no one in your family does either...you have a poor persons mindset. It's not that hard to understand if you think a lil bit harder.
Massive respect to Mason and his patience. Being told you’re not the person you are has to be so infuriating but he was so collected. Major major props.
Her patience ! It’s a her not a he, her! she shouldn’t be frustrated if that’s the truth she is a he r
😂
@@puliduspulls2070If hes happy why not let him do him
@@puliduspulls2070🙄
And Janelle had this creepy smile on her face while she was telling him.
Lmfao at Janelle asking John whether he wants his daughter to grow up in a world full of individuality and acceptance and John’s just like…..yes?
Real
She was a s*x traffick victim who grew up without freedom, even now she’s too busy raising her son to research anything properly. I noticed it when she said “yeah I know the definition I googled it just today.” I just feel sorry for her, and y’all should really study how the traffickers brainwash their victims to be exactly like her. We are all products of our environment, and unfortunately we are all raised in different environments, so it’s hard to understand each other
Well someone who has surgically and cosmetically changed every natural apperance of her body obviously knows nothing of self acceptance.
@@jewel8439 That doesn't really make her wrong, you just don't agree with her. She was trafficked but still understands that there are only men and women and that we each have our roles means something.
@@CrankyBarista How can you assume that it was after she was trafficked or wtv for her to do that? Maybe her trafficker encouraged her to do that to make her seem more appealing etc.
Janelle’s whole premise is “I don’t agree with feminism bc I don’t think women are smart/capable enough to have these rights”. I think it reflects a lot on how weak she sees herself. She projects her insecurities and failings onto other women
this!
Beautifully said 🙌🏽
Could not have been described better. It’s exactly this
Misogyny 😂
no truly. like she said things women feel that i couldn’t even relate to and genuinely confused me lol.
I giggled when Jenelle said ''I don't believe in putting anything that alters my body''...for obvious reasons
did u not hear when she said she was trafficked??
Maybe they're natural. Ahem.
@@thanerdchi That's more thank likely a lie. She has made this claim hundreds of times and has offered virtually no evidence to back it up.
@@thanerdchi it's still funny 😂😂
@@CyclingAMP not at all.
“I don’t think trans women should be a part of the feminist movement” while actively not associating with the feminist movement is craaazzyyy lmao
Ikr!!! like you are literally calling yourself an anti feminist, but you also wanna decide who is in the opposite side?
@@shirazsharivar8536 unbelievable lol like you disqualified yourself from this convo from the jump
Tbf trans wome aren’t women so I get her point
THIS
Crazy cause why tf do she care or does she not support because she feels like some people shouldn’t be part of that group is why she wont support it
Janelle saying "poor is a mentality" says everything you need to know about her opinions.
It literally is
@@masculineleadership well your username is masculine leadership so I know everything I need to know about you now😂
I don't like her, but she does have a point. Being broke is having no money and being in a state of financial crisis. Being "poor" is a mentality you see in a lot of people. College students are broke b/c of debt. The NEET who stay's in their mom's basement playing LoL is poor.
@@BurntToast44242 especially if you’re in a first world country
@@miacarter8740 ....your name says alot about you, bub.
as soon as she said it was a privilege to be sexualized by men she lost me
Nobody can ever sexualize a women unless the women is doing it herself. If u walk around showing ur body, u will attract all kinds of attentions.
yeah she's an embarrassment to our gender :/
If you replace the word "sexualized" with "desired," maybe that would help? She's basically saying the one who is in possession of what another person wants is inherently in a strong position.
@@orenmontgomery8250 if my grandma had wheels she would've been a bike
@@monsieurtyrell9652 ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️
"We are too emotional!" No, Janelle. *you* are too emotional.
Women are emotional.
@@josephsmiley1Thank you dear human for being logical
@@-_-Boomer-_- Men are also emotional.
@@Kamille-Millie women are way more tho
@@josephsmiley1 Down the street from where I live, is a very large building that imprisons several hundred men that lost all logic when they couldn't control their emotions.
What a nice bunch of dudes. Daniel is the sweetest chad I've ever seen. John is a super thoughtful parent. Alex puts his money where his mouth is. Mason's got just all the patience in the world.
and they spread the most disgusting ideology of 2024
The women (except jenelle) too were very well spoken, patient and factually informed
@@Itsmesaucekayuchibibut no one's here taking away from the women
Normies needs to stop using the word "Chad"
@@Itsmesaucekayuchibi “having kids is very financially difficult” “i’m fine”
Janelle doesn’t sound like she’s anti-feminist she sounds like she’s anti-women
100%
Pro-plastic
@@umusty619 🤣🤣🤣
No, she's not anti-herself...
@@rachybaby72 Yes, she is.
Janelle: I love the masculine energy we have here Mason: I'm trans Janelle: You have feminine energy 🙃
THIS
Thisss if he had not said he was trans she wouldn't have a damn clue!
This is toxic feminism
@@peterjimenez1075 wdym
This is why you don't tell people 😬
Hey Mason, if you're reading this comment, I had no effing clue you were trans before you said it. And I'm so glad you managed to be so polite with Janelle, I'd have to control my punches. But you should know you look great and have a wonderful voice. More power to you!
SAAAAMMMMEEEE
That's a woman
@@Josef_Stylin YOU'RE SO WEIRD YOUR GREAT GRANDKIDS WILL HATE U IN THE FUTURE...
@@Josef_Stylincry
11:30 how does her answer switch so much? 😭 before he said he was trans, janelle greeted them all by saying they were ‘amazing men’ and she loved the ‘masculine energy’, but goes to say she sees only feminine energy and sees a woman???? miss girl 😭
Somebody tell Jennelle that saying "no disrespect" does not justify saying something disrespectful. Props to Mason for remaining calm while his identity was continuously invalidated.
Her*
@@Pikawarps saying your opinion and own belief is not disrespectful. saying no disrespect is a way of saying i disagree but i don want to offend you and ill respect you.
@@Pikawarps His*
There’s no way she would’ve said “I see you as a woman” if Mason hadn’t explained his backstory first. “I could sense your feminine energy” yeah I don’t believe her.
Literally, it was so disgusting how transphobic Jennelle was, truly apalling omfg
Janelle saying “one person speak at a time” after repeatedly cutting everyone off to speak or argue is hilarious.
What she really means is "Everyone listen to me and me only."
Thought the same thing
it's insulting for an "anti-feminist" to show so much boobs and little intelligence, whether you're a feminist or not.
she's annoying
Why didn't this panel put any real men on it?
Janelle has some serious ingrained misogyny. From what she's shared in this video, particularly the detail about being sex trafficked for 10 years, she's likely experienced 10 years of emotional abuse, and has been manipulated and falsely "liberated" into these beliefs. It would be great to see her experience true genuine respect from inside and out, she's been so manipulated into this "thing" that she seems to feel is her only true self, fulfilling her worth the only way she knows how. Like wearing prison bars for a crown. There's so much more to life and identity than the confinements you're in, Janelle. I hope you find your way.
Men have started wars over their EMOTIONS about a woman.
Janelle: "I don't believe in taking anything that alters my body" Also Janelle: has had plastic surgery done
Came looking for this exact comment
She meant her hormones not her physical body
I mean you could argue that it was a product of her circumstances since she said that she was in sex work before
@@jonmelon excuse me? Are hormones used on your astral projection?
@@HudaaJMalekwow an anti feminist sex worker… she’s also very opinionated.
The woman in red is unbearable to listen to, but I do (kinda) agree on one thing with her - women LIKE HER should definitely not be in positions of power and leadership. She is so judgemental, close minded and completely disrespectful to anyone others personal experience. Kudos to everyone for managing to uphold a conversation with her :D
you are so open minded that you dont tolerate anything other than your opinion
@@carinocarino4009 Thank you so much for your opinion, I didnt think I was open minded at all...I appreciate your words :)
@@skatexius1710 disagree! Her dress is orange colour not red
Yeah maybe she believes that women are too illogical and emotional because she herself is. It's just you, lady!
@@swatisaini6447 Hehehe 😛I might be colourblind, so I'll take your word for it :D
“ i don’t pressure I just tell him” Ya real clear Jenelle
“i don’t believe in anything that alters my body”…..okay sureeee janelle LMAOOOOO
If Jennelle thinks women are too emotional and illogigal then why would anyone listen to her talking points? She’s obviously just talking from emotion
😂
the self conflict is crazy. When she’s arguing with herself does she listen to her sexist opinions? Or no because they came from a woman so they can’t possibly be logical
I cant imagine how much she suffers from self hate in her life
I literally thought the same
The irony 😭😭😭.
Anger is an emotion. I repeat: ANGER IS AN EMOTION
@@e.m.8094 okay..?
@@e.m.8094 ??
Jo mama is a women
Men have to get angry just as much as a woman should.
Go make me a sandwich
I like Amala a lot, she was very rational and really considerate of other views. Smartest one there by far.
Same. I enjoy watching her channel. Being a former liberal, she draws from her previous experiences and can relate topics between both sides of a problem/question, so she's great at playing the devil's advocate while still disagreeing with a side.
What surprises me is how these women don't see how masculine and aggressive they come across. They can't see how they are exactly like the women they're criticizing?
Now imagine feminist women, they are literally men
I don't think they're criticizing being assertive. They're criticizing the ideology.
Felt like Jenelle held the group back from more meaningful conversations
Exactly, she didn’t giving her side much attention and efforts towards the conversation because she was selfish and talked over people
she also seemed like she was held back several grades in school
Yeah she didn’t let the others speak.
I agree can we have a redo
Yes!! Everyone was so articulate except for Janelle and Kaylee- their arguments were mostly based on delusion. When the other women and the feminists talked it was so much more impactful
Jennelle was an embarrassment. Everyone else was so level, thoughtful and respectful. She just wanted to fight with everyone about things she didn't agree with, and shift the conversation away from the topic to things she wanted to fight about.
She's fighting for mens rights, but by doing that she's bringing the other half of men down
They always have someone like that
@@i7ven Very well said, Seth!
I honestly thought Jenelle was a trans woman.
I think all the anti feminist were insanely rude, abrupt and dimensioning to everyone else’s opinion. They didn’t respect anyone’s option and came to argue, not debate.
My constant awe and support for the people who are literally victim to things like transphobia and other forms of discrimination and still manage to keep their cool. As tough as these are to watch, they’re really necessary. Talking always wins over shouting.
I have a solution. Stick with what nature chose for you.
shouting always wins because the people talking will just get their voice muted over the ones shouting
@@toobakhanani8775 I have another solution. Stop being a twat.
Just deal with it. You make it surprisingly far in life if you can tolerate all the stupidity around you and just be patient, no matter the person.
Using correct grammar is not transphobic.
What lacks from their discussion is that BEAUTIFUL women are privileged, not all women.
It's not hard to be attractive as a woman. Just drink water, work out somewhat regularly, and wash your butt.
@@Mikedread876are u talking abt… basic hygiene???? Basic hygiene that is accessible to everyone????
@01Meow01 yes, but yet still many women cannot seem to pull of being attractive. Hairy armpits, dressing like a hobo, overweight on average...the comment here proves it.
@@Mikedread876 sure buddy... what about face proportions?
False. The sentencing disparity between men and women, is larger than the disparity between black and white. Do you think all female criminals just happen to be beautiful?
kaylee and jennelle are the definition of egocentric bias-- "if it doesn't happen to me, it doesn't happen to any women." hearing kaylee, who is clearly well off, respond to the idea that some people can't afford to raise a child with a "well, but i'm fine" made my blood boil
i just came into the comments to see if anyone said anything about this. the mocking comment she made about poor people not wanting to have kids was SO beyond disrespectful - i can’t believe jubilee even kept it in the video.
Kaylee sounds like a spoilt, sheltered, and privileged child. It’s like she can’t comprehend that other people in the world have it harder than she does
THIS
@@kaitlynbradley8787 the feminist movement literally encourages that. you guys are idiots if you can’t see how degraded women are and how torn down they are from being able to raise a child.
@@kaitlynbradley8787 they kept it in the video to show that sometimes people really are that crazy with their beliefs
Jenelle is the reason why the saying "When the idiots become confident, the world is in danger" exists.
couldn't have said it better
She really bought nothing beneficial to this conversation, the prompter had to tell her twice to let others talk. 😂
Yup.
FR
They picked some of the worst women to represent the women haha
“I don’t like anything that alters my body” says Janelle with a serious face
Janelle shaming mason for getting a transitioning surgery is so ironic coming from someone who looks like an alien at this point.
exactly.. i dont like shaming ppl for botched surgeries but her surgery is.. botched
@@virgobutcaye I feel kinda bad for her I mean I'm sure that she did it for male validation considering her statements.
You bunch of racist 😒
@@virgobutcayewhat if you found out that the surgery was forced upon her while she was being trafficked? Sure one may assume that if that was the case, she would have it reversed, but there's no guarantee. I'm not saying this is what happened. But I will point out the true irony in how you don't actually have any problems with her insulting people over getting plastic surgery, you just have a problem with her target.
@@jamesmcdonnell2455 no, i have a problem with her insulting anyone over having any kind of plastic surgery. especially since its extremely hypocritical coming from her.
I find it interesting that Daniel, the buff guy, actually portrays more femininity than anyone else on that stage. Janelle, as much as she believes she is super feminine, displays a lot of masculine energy.
She has inner misogyny
@@Ghostinaseashell1789 i think she’s just a bit daft
So true.
I thought the same thing.... We had like an almost submissive feminine buff guy vs a very agressive woman
I disagree with you about Janelle. It is possible for women to be feminine in their lifestyle, choices, actions, etc. and masculine in their personality and thinking ie. alpha-type personality. There are lots of women who display traditionally masculine traits of being loud, aggressive, decisive, etc. (not in a negative way), but are super girly in their clothing and lifestyle choices.
Janelle: "Men are under a lot of pressure." Also Janelle: "I tell my son that he HAS to only like woman."
based
She was simultaneously an anti femminist saying redpill stuff while also spewing the woke nonsense of blaming cishet white men for all her problems in an argument with Destiny.
She definitely doesn’t have any « feminine » pressure to end up with so many surgeries… 🙄
Yeah that's a lot of pressure, almost unreasonable levels of pressure. I mean kids in the lithium mines don't even have close to that amount of pressure. Just let everyone be is my moto
That woman is so insecure it’s sad
It’s kind of funny to me that these women were all displaying typically masculine associated traits(being confident, out spoken, protective, a leader, etc..) and yet the way they so quickly dismissed the idea that masculine/feminine is determined person to person is just so funny to me. Also the complete frustration I had to endure listening to them go on and on about the female vs male mind was just… so closed minded not because these are not factors to consider but because they refused to see the diversity that is the human mind and even if a field is naturally dominated by one gender or another it should not be that your stance is to permanently exclude any of those who would have been able to helpfully contribute to those fields on the basis of prejudice. It’s so sad seeing how one track mind these anti-feminists are because they are living proof that there are women with something powerful to contribute to the world that isn’t just being a mother figure. I have so much more to say but yeah
the way janelle says women are emotional and their judgement can't be trusted, all the while confirming we can't trust her judgement by her own standards? I am neither a feminist nor an anti-feminist, but the cognitive dissonance in anti-feminist crowd is just so blatantly showing. It is weird how no one pointed this out
If I hear the ‘protector-provider’ argument from anti-feminists in these episodes again, I am gonna scream.
nobody cares
@@NathanXYX. did you finally get picked? :O
@@mvstudios4922 I'm happily married and unlike you I care about both genders
@@NathanXYX.your initial response to this person is the precise antithesis to, "caring about both genders." But okay.
@@kwandozu cause she was being misandrist
It's so sad how Kaylee is so close-minded and judgmental. She's the epitome of "if it doesn't happen to me, then it's not a problem for anyone else either."
@amanamhie I agree, but I think an interesting fact is that most countries that are poor, and where is not easy to raise a kid (even if it is related to ignorance or bad education) those places have high natality rates.. To be clear, I'm not saying YOU SHOULD, if you can't afford it, I'm saying they do it anyways. I think it's easy for her to state things like that because she probably never had to face a similar problem for herself, but I also think believing everything should be in perfect alignment before having a baby is unprobable. Not defending her posture anyway, and I would always encourage people to NOT have kids if you can't feed them.
The fact of the matter is that (outside of non-consent) pregnancy is a choice for both sexes just period. End of story.
exactly, its sad... now shes raising a BLACK male in america smh
@@tashboog5458 no it's only a woman's choice nowadays
Very well said @meghan Luhowy Close-minded people measure the world By there only experience... Even if they are the 1% of a cases
Props to the moderator for calling out the lady in red for incessantly disrupting others’ train of thought.
Literally the second I read this comment, that happened 😭
When is was vise versa there was nothing said though… interesting
@@johnbaddoghellno7751 “They seem to have problems thinking not the sharpest tools but the ladies were. Betas soyboys and 1 balding women” and you seem to have some issues with your grammar and punctuation’s, because wtaf is this sentence…💀
Why did they even book her for this. They created the problem that you are praising them for calling out.
304 behavior
“All women are doted on and treated better from the time they’re young” wow, I’m not even a feminist and I still think that was the stupidest statement ever made on KZhead.
Mason is just a beautiful soul 🥹 the people close to him are very lucky
"I don't believe in taking anything that alters my body" having multiple obvious surgeries is WILD
@@cheeling794😭😭🤣 SAME
whats your IQ LMAO
Well, she said she was trafficed for years, so idk if it was her choice, but if it was, yeah, kinda hippopotamus lol (hypocritical)
That's not how I understood it. Things that can change your hormones are more permanent and can be dangerous it's not so easily removed unlike silicone.
@@gabevive71 didn't watch the video after concluding I'd be too annoyed...why did they get the opinion of someone so highly traumatized? Seems like a bad idea.
"Women are too emotional" as if men dont go starting wars because someone insulted their wig
Valid
Or their wife cheated and eloped with another guy! (the movie Troy) 😂
Lmao🤣🤣which war is started by that
Women leaders statistically start wars more often than men.
no wars aren't started by insults their is many reasons like religion and conquest like WW2 germany wanted to annex every country and get big some other reasons is to destablize and money no war has been based on emotions
I'm glad to know those men exist. Thank you for showing them. It inspires hope. I'm starting to realize that at this point in my life, I can't develop intimacy with individuals who don't grasp it.
Amala is the only anti-feminist who was logical.
Jenelle: "I don't believe in taking anything that alters my body." Also Jenelle just sitting there:
🍈🍈🤫
yeah... i was boutta say
jennelle the entire time: 🔸️ 👁 👄 👁 🍊 🍊
I didn't think she even knows when she contradicts herself its like words just fly out of her mouth without her thinking
FR 😭
I love when the black shirt lady basically said “I don’t experience this problem so it doesn’t exist”
but when feminist women say the same thing your not for it. correct?
@@mmm-ie5ws what issues has feminism stated this about?
@@mmm-ie5wsquickly
@@mmm-ie5ws r u gonna reply?
@@ghhoulxFalse accusations. You don't face it so you say "PERSONAL ANECDOTES DONT COUNT REEE" but you'll scream your personal anecdote of being fuked in the 4ss
I respect the patience everyone has to speak to Janelle patiently and calmly
The men in this video are really smart. Mad respect for them to be so patient and calm till the end.
Yes, applaud men for the bare minimum like all male “feminists”
They respect all women 🙏
I think some of these anti feminist women are confusing female privilege with "pretty privilege", which is a valid thing. A woman that isn't conventionally pretty will not just get any guy she wants lol she will not get treated the same as a "hot woman"
facts
Exactly! And just completely ignoring that the same thing exists for men too. 💀
yes but she will still have 10x more options that your 7/10 guy
pretty privilege exist for men and women as well... I think that's why one them said different instead of "more" like the prompt suggested.
@@daanyal2550 she doesnt, she got quanyity over quallity The guys she can get are either 1 night stand not marriage material Or weird, a women had the be more selective cuz she can get pregnant And having options doesnt mean much since a women is being $lut shamed if she sleeps woth many guys And women are called out for hitti g the wal
My favourite moment was when Alex was like "Why wouldn't I [take male birth control]?" and she was like " Why don't you get a vicectomy?" and he replied "I did." Mic. Drop.
the Beta boys are coming.
There was a news article about 2 years ago about the clinical trials of male birth control. More than a few self-described feminists were denouncing it. They were pissed because there were too few side effects. No, seriously. They were mad because it had less side effects than women's version, and thus "unfair".
But who dropped the mix tho ?
Condoms work fine, vasectomy works perfectly, male birth control is just unnecessary.
@@paollus8575Alex
Janelle saying that the military messed her back up is such a joke when she has 60k worth of surgery in the front
She was probably never in the military. She is a serial liar.
being a female, I absolutely hated everything the anti-femenists said
ofc cuz you’re a women 😂
I wish they had like a mediator that would check information when people on these shows claim that data supports things.
Yeah, Jubilee needs to start fact checking EVERYTHING people say on Middle Ground and putting it on screen. They already do a little bit at least
But most fact checkers can't be trusted, even chat gpt is full of bleeeppop
To be fair, if that would happen then the screen would be packed with fact checks throughout the whole show. The best thing to do is to do your own research while you are watching the show. I ddid that and find out that some of the things that the women were saying was correct.
Which ones? Can you provide recourses? Or atleast tell me what the topic is about and I’ll find it myself
@@alexgrissom7251 if they are able to display debates, they should be able to fact check the things said in the debates, it can be briefly addressed. Otherwise, it contributes to misinformation being spread which really doesnt help any of us
Maybe this is just me, but when i think of feminism, i don’t just think about American feminism. There are still so many countries with discriminatory laws - not to mention Iran where femicide is actively happening! Feminism is necessary on an international scale
@Florentino Perez MMM.. not entirely, but it's way better than other countries.
@Florentino Perez BECAUSE of feminism. So that is why its sad but hilariously childish to see western women who benefit from feminism so passionate about hating feminism...
@Florentino Perez well I live in the so-called Western world yet in my country women are still largely seen as bad workers because they could get pregnant at any time and go on paid leave, for that employers tend to be way more strict when hiring women,so I believe that there is still quite a long way to go in the West as well.
OMG SAME!! like who's gonna tell them there's a world outside AMERICA that needs feminism.
@A.K. Salzr how are we not?
These women made these men feel how women in general feel like in this patriarchal society.
Patriarchal society??? What other option is there?
i need jannelles confidence. homegirl will fully spew blatant misinformation with her entire chest, its remarkable
It’s the implants
@@melodiejobinmcinnis6558 the chemicals from the silicone impacts seeps into your blood and then melts your brain no it’s true it’s true
What misinformation?
I dont think that chest is actually hers
Its called "audacity"
It's hurtful to hear women saying confidently “Yeah, I (we) am not logical, I'm not analytical, I'm too emotional, I should not be a leader” and so on. I'd hate to see someone saying that to the powerful women in my life who had influenced me so much.
why? knowing thyself is a beautiful thing.
yeah they are just projecting their own insecurities to the entire womanhood to make them feel better about themselves.
Cringe and lack of self worth
@@adamjuneau6287 im not smart and muscular so men shouldnt participate in sports
There is a psychological difference in the way men and women process situations, this is FACT. I was also raised by strong women, and I can objectively understand that the women in my life are different from men. You are reacting emotionally to the science. You seem to have adopted that from all the women who raised you.
John is the best. So level headed and non judgmental.
Omg Janelle gives me second hand emberassment, not her thinking he asked her about her sex drive that's crazy
Jenelle is very delulu. Also people are forgetting that having certain privileges as a woman vary. If you don’t fall into society’s standard of beauty then your “privileges” are revoked.
Delulu😂
What is delulu?
@@cameerkat delusional
ironic that a Karen said this
Nah, ugly women can still get a guy locked up by lying.
“i see a woman” is such a crazy thing to say 😭😭😭
And him being ok with it😳
Bros got more restraint than me
I see men when I see western trans women
I mean it’s true I bet that’s the first time he’s guests that too
Because she's still biologically a woman.
[18:09] as a dude, my brain is definitely all over. i enjoy talking about my issues. the women in the video make a lot of assumptions about men that are straight up false, but because their source is basically just societal expectations and not individuals, there’s no way to argue against it without extending the argument outside of the prompt and talking about the patriarchal structure of society.
lol you enjoy talking about your issues
As a woman in construction I find this debate so intriguing 😅 Dear anti feminist come to construction and see why some feminist are feminist 😂
Why Bcuz of the way guys may treat u in the work force? U can’t use that and say that’s y ur a feminist. That’s like me sayin I work with triple K members and now I’m a liberal. Just Bcuz there’s bad ppl around u doesn’t mean society as a whole encourages or condones their behavior just like America doesn’t condone the actions of the triple k
@@christophervibe7430 Definitely not the reason I'm a feminist. It's because of my father. But go off.
I assume that you're being coddled and you have no idea.
@@RJsermon Interesting assumption 🤣😅😂
I'm calling it now, but in 20 years both Kaylee and Janelle will be asking "why don't my adult kids talk to me?!?!"
Stop judging people jeez thats low , you don’t know them
@@abdulbasith1363 I mean, their words and ways of thinking are pretty toxic...
That's the same way I feel about parents that force their kids to be lgbt
@@berrymckockiner5883 no one forces their kid to be lgbt wth are you talking about
Nah they was amazing You're the one probably with problems
It's unfortunate that these women think of themselves as "too emotional" to do certain things.
As if emotions are bad, part of being human, if you speak about emotions you are too emotional. And then men are seen as non emotional and logical, when so often men just arent in touch with their emotions or talk about them, causing them to actually act out very emotionally and impulsively because to control your own emotions, it helps to at least try understanding them!
rather that than "We can be emotional without consequence but you can't be because it inconveniences me"
By "too emotional" they are implying "more likely to act without ration". I don't necessarily agree, but I think there is an uncomfortable truth here about gender differences that people are afraid to admit - which is: women are more neurotic on average. This is an actual psychological fact. And they cycle their emotions in many ways that keep them from being as objective as men can be.
That's a fact. Not everyone is the same, but let's face it. Women are way emotional and that's truly amazing. It's not supposed to be changed for some position to prove some ppl wrong
@@sayyestolife333 Indeed. Another annoying thing is how many frame with the adjective "emotional" only those emotions perceived as weak, such as sadness, compassion, etc., despite anger being an emotion that can also make you weak.
No one can outshine Amala. She's too smart and she studies up.
All male feminist did,I didn't even notice she was there till you point out
@@coco-kl3xr obviously you’re lying but okay.
@@FordSkilled she literally made no point just asked 1 or 2 question that's it
@@coco-kl3xr “literally”? You don’t know that that word means apparently.
she studied? If she actually studied she would know that women out there are not more privileged then men lmao
I dont think these women have been in career based places AT ALL. I am a woman engineer and we never taken seriously but when a male friend of my say the SAME thing for me, everyone starts to agree. This is not just my experience, almost every women go through this. I can not believe her AUDACITY to say 'If i wanted to be a CEO i would' as if she tried before as a woman. She have may gotten what she wanted in her life but not every women wants her path.
It's because you're most likely worse. Or you don't know how to properly navigate
@@RJsermon You have no idea who I am and I am speaking for every women in this industry. Its a fact. Are you a woman in stem?
Hurt my heart so much when Jennelle said "I still see a woman". She was just looking to twist the knife and it was so cold :(
Amala knew immediately
no bro cause she wouldn't be saying that if she didn't know too it's infuriating :( justice for Mason
Literally I was so mad
Snowflake
@@joetoto2331 that's all you dawg
The self control of the transgender dude to sit and just take some serious transphobia on the chin is genuinely so impressive. I hope he rests well knowing everyone recognizes that the other lady was the bad guy.
what transphobia? You mean facts? Janelle was rude...You can definitely say she took some abuse....but transphobia....really? That's a stretch.
I would argue that telling someone who is openly identifying as a male that you only see them as a female is transphobic.@@amberbrandenburg4175
What chin?
❤
No such thing as "transphobia"
Wow, that was a big topic ! And very intresting thank you !! But It was aslo very difficult to watch and for other reasons than just having ideas being challenged ... It was hard to have people being so immersed in there point of view that they cut each other mid sentence. The mediator did a great job to have reminders of trying to have equal chances to express themself ! bBut I wonder if it could help to have a systematic input about non violent talking ahead of the video ( But maybe there 's already one off camera ), even a "talking stick" in the video as we call it were I'm from ( something that people will have to give too each other each time they want to speak so that the ony people speaking are to ones having this thing before giving it to the person having something to say ) or just a "safe word" for when they are being interut ? But, regardless of this, thank you for your work, all the great ideas and energie your speading with your videos !
Why does the most annoying person have the most to say?
jenelle: *brings up irrelevant and transphobic information about trans laws in thailand* also jenelle: "WELL ARE WE TALKING ABOUT OTHER COUNTRIES??????"
Jennelle is a plant by Jubilee to mess up the conversation and ridicule anti-feminists its super obvious. Everything she said about herself is a lie.
Theres no such thing as transphobia.
@@skillbopster yes there is.
Thailand, not Taiwan
@@drieddpetalsNo there isnt
Jenelle is able to dress that way thanks to feminism, but she obviously isn’t ready for that conversation yet.
And her KZhead channel about being sex positive, feminism helped the world become more sex positive and open about sex
You do realise that was first and second wave feminism third wave feminism is a disaster to the modern world and is deteriorating the world third wave feminism must go its an extreme movement that has nothing to do with feminism. Women and men have equal rights in 2023
Feminism has come too far. If you want real civil rights why don’t women get drafted too?
@@Thisissilly222 Sex positivity is a result of capitalism and globalism. The world, as a whole, does not care about feminism. Feminism is a western concept, that isn't really relevant in most of the western world.
100% !!! Either she is a hypocrite or just ignorant about history.
38:28 it should be a self-less act to bear children and care for them, but many people are not having children for selfless reasons!
I love how supportive and chill John was with Janelle. He was just trying to make her think of things another way. I really respect that!
Gosh. The calm energy of John, the way he expressed himself...it was just so beautiful. He seems like a great father.
Same with Jenelle😊
@@mattheq9930 wtf r u serious
Nah the males & trans on here are so sensitive , brainwashed
@@mattheq9930I agree she's beast !
Fr,
These women are so privileged to talk about a topic in the way they are.
What I found insanely annoying about these women is this perspective that “women are more emotional” nooo you were raised to be emotional. To me it’s such a cop out, because these same women would say that a woman is too emotional to be in a war zone as a soldier, but war breaks out around women and children all the time, most of those women are able to keep it together long enough to find safety.
i think janelle’s trauma from being trafficked is completely affecting her view on sex work, patriarchy/masculinity, gendered roles, and honestly everything in this video.
I agree.
I mean that’s kinda valid?
I don’t necessarily agree with her points, but trauma affecting her views on a subject isn’t necessarily a bad thing. We all are going to have biases brought to the table that are going to affect the way we view the world, and I am sure there are people with similar traumas that have the opposite opinions.
sex work literally deletes grey matter in the brains of people who watch it, hating it is based
What’s crazy is she a “sex intimacy expert” 😂 I’ve looked at her KZhead and insta.
“I dont want to do anything that alters my body”-Jenelle GIRL HAVE YOU SEEN YOUSELF💀💀
Lol that's what i thought as she said it 😂
Yall some retards
She could mean her health. Don’t be ignant.
@@chrishammon14 breast implants can be dangerous too tf?😂
@@LaraSmit-xr9vh i see you refuse to not be ignorant to what hormones can do to someone. carry on narcissist.
Do whatever you want be whoever you want as long as it doesn't hurt you or anyone.... Some people take this in a twisted way
45:00 „of course he’s gonna step forward, look at him“ I think she is a victim of her objectivising mindset
dude didn’t respond… she’s weird
There is nothing more disgusting then seeing your own sex degrade itself
its really not degrading ur js brainwashed by current media
i seen no degrading
@@nitrocity8402 then your slow?💀
You degrade yourself by acting like something your not lol
@@Karma1stthat's transphobic
35:07 is the best interaction Torrie: "are you saying that to please the feminists?" Alex: "please myself?" Torrie: "male feminists tend to have the talking points but do you actually think you would [get male birth control]?" Alex: "why wouldn't i?" Torrie: "why don't you get a vasectomy" Alex: "i did"
HE SHOWED ME LOL
He took himself out of the gene pool! We need more Make Feminist follow his example!
I WAS SO HAPPY BRUH... OWNED THEM
YESSS
@@excelself You should follow his lead!
Janelle: I don’t believe in taking birth control or anything that alters my body Also her: 👁️ 👁️ 👄 🏀🏀
As a feminist myself, and sister of a feminist, I am excited to listen to this conversation (which I hope it would be, rather then a shouting match). Its always a pleasure and a surprise (sadly) to see men who are feminists.
As an anti feminist, shouldn't Janelle just let the men speak and agree with everything they say instead of cutting them off and undermining their opinion?
i doubt she saw them as men ESPECIALY the trans one. she’s super weird
Thats the same as saying that these mens as feminists they should kneel down and follow everything these women say
Well no, because nothing undermines women's opinion more than feminism when a woman dares to make a statement that disagrees with feminism.
True
@@MadaraUchiha-.._no fr brah