The Fake Minecraft World Record that Almost Fooled Everyone
In this video, we tell the story of one of Minecraft's greatest unsolved mysteries: a potential cheater who might've gotten away with it had his friend's horrible faked speedrun not blown his cover.
Odiz's so-called world record: • [18m59s] Minecraft 1.1...
Additional Footage Credits:
Couriway Former Record: • MINECRAFT 1.16.1 SPEED...
Couriway Icarus Amplified: • Speedrunning Amplified...
Dimeax Former Record: • Former World Record - ...
Cscuile Portal Tutorial: • Minecraft Speedrunning...
Special thanks to Geosquare and SpeedNintendo for providing unlisted footage
Music Credits(in order of appearance):
FTL Lost Ship: • FTL Advanced Edition S...
Cheesenubs/NickHitt Quicksand: • Cheesenubs, NickHitt B...
Lemmino Cosmic Solitude: • LEMMiNO - Cosmic Solit...
FTL Rockmen: • FTL OST - Rockmen
FTL Zoltan Battle: • 26. FTL soundtrack-Zol...
Mass Effect Galaxy Map Theme: • Mass Effect Trilogy - ...
Mario Galaxy File Select: • Video
FTL Mantis: • Faster Than Light soun...
FTL Lanius: • FTL Advanced Edition S...
This is the story of a Minecraft player who possibly cheated to get a faked Minecraft speedrun world record, and his friend who also cheated to get a faked Minecraft speedrun world record. Fake Minecraft speedruns are insane, almost as insane as this description! If you want to see a fake cheated Minecraft 1.16 world record speedrun, this is the video for you!
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I swear, Kiran is like that one friend who gets jealous of something cool you’ve done, tries to replicate, and ruins it for everyone.
that's not a friend then
I think they were both using an advanced cheating software together, who would delete the original footage of their world record run, as well as that world? chances are you would keep it as evidence and as a personal memory for yourself to look back on.
@@notabrick7307 not trying to say odiz didn't cheat but you could delete a full video for the sake of storage if you have a small hard drive
@@notabrick7307 assuming you already posted on yt, and let's say he really didnt cheat, why wouldn't he delete it? Since he already had a copy on his channel or given to the mods
ur a human made out of facts
Funny thing is... if somebody DOES get away with faking a speedrun, we'll never know about it. It's likely that's happened before.
*cough* Dream *cough*
@@MrSharkFIN Well, the blob id like to squish got exposed in the end.
@@MrSharkFIN yeah dream got exposed in the end, so he didn't make it... but like in this same vein of ideas the "perfect crime" will never be known as its perfect. A perfectly faked speedrun would never get sussed by the mods, it would just be a world record.
@@HeroDestrin I think the mod he used was already pretty well known at the time, or at least, mods of a similar vein. Suppose a runner that isn't a streamer and only uploads their pb's used it, I don't think you'd ever know in classic strats era. Especially if you make it so the last changed date of the folders doesn't stand out.
@@PeterJavi Yeah. I just think that like, because if somebody _perfectly_ fakes a speedrun, it would be so perfect we'd never know, and given how many fake speedruns are found it's probably true that there are some faked speedruns that were so well done they make it onto the leaderboards.
One of my biggest issues with this is that they found Odiz's run suspicious mostly based on the fact that he was friends with Kiran, and started their investigation entirely based on that. Just cause I have a friend who pulled a dumbass move doesn't mean I'm going to do the same thing. I think Odiz's run is legit and Kiran was just trying to one-up his friend because he wanted the spotlight.
You're right. Also, 69 likes, imma ruin that
@@danyTheGamerKiller nah your insane for ruining the 69 likes
@@danyTheGamerKiller dead meme
But who would delete all evidence of their WR run? I mean, thats something most people would keep just as a proof
@@Mazo_Qo The mods said his run was fine and then asked for evidence after, he had every right to delete those files, they were useless at that point as the mods already said the run was fine. I've deleted the files for my speedruns so many times, I don't need them anymore after the mods accept it. He had no reason to think the mods would come asking him for evidence *after* accepting his run. - it's TOTALLY on the mods for his run not being seen as valid anymore, not on him.
You neglect to mention that the mods didn't ask for those files until AFTER they had already validated the run. Meaning it was perfectly understandable for Odiz to delete all that footage wasting space on his drives. Even though it's kinda moot here in the era of sub-10, I still think Odiz's run was legit. It was extremely well executed and there is zero proof that it was fake. If the mods believed it to be fake, they were the ones that screwed up by validating it in the first place. I have great respect for the work they have been doing especially since MC speedruns took off like crazy, but even they have to admit that it's perfectly possible that the only reason Odiz's run was invalidated is due to their own screw-up in this particular case. There's nothing strange about the fact that Polish speedrunners are IRL friends. The Polish speedrunning community being extremely small.
my phone is literally giving me warnings that there is not enough space to operate and I wouldn't delete the cat videos. If I had created a world record, why would I delete the only thing that would validate it? Besides, a 20-minute video would not kill your drives. If your computer is that cramped, there are millions of ways to store videos outside of the computer or save space by cleaning up your drives. A normal person's instinct wouldn't be deleting everything, especially when you are proud of it.
@@anyannie6100 it’s a world record that was uploaded to KZhead. If I got the world record I would delete everything I don’t need anymore. You’re comparing 2 completely different things
@@anyannie6100 exactly ^^^ especially when you consider the fact that you could just buy a flash drive (64 GB flash drives can easily cost $10) and store it there. Why would you delete things you're proud of?
@@bestbedwarplayer ... It's on KZhead. There are hundreds of websites where you can just download YT vids as mp4. A video I have made got 100 views, which is a TON for me, but I still deleted it from my storage. Why? Well to save space and it was just more fun watching it on youtube, where i could read the comments and do other stuff. no one's gonna go spent 10 dollars on a flash drive just so they can save something that they cant have on their computer. Odiz obviously thought that "Well its on youtube, whats the point in keeping it on my computer?"
Yes i know. I from poland and i intrested in minecraft speedruns.
Honestly kirin run seems that he's just trolling at this point
why would he submit it then?
@@ultra4254 for trolling lmao
what
Let’s just remove it then he will admit cuz it’s already removed
@@indrianalovely6883 STOP PROMOTE ABOUT DISGUSTING IRL STUFF, IM TIRED OF SEEING IT EVERY DISGUSTING VIDEOS
If odiz had cheated, gotta give respect to the guy for actually trying to master some of the strats. That stuff takes effort
Probably some sort of set seed but with potential for greatness that he just threw away. Honestly sad.
@@paulstelian97 yes
Damn i wanna like but its at 69
@@lapis6752 bro just like it already
@@lapis6752 don't worry I saved it at 169 😎👌
I believe Odiz's run was legit. He clearly knew what he was doing. I also saw someone else in the comments say his run already got approved before they asked for more files so it's understandable that he would have deleted them. It really feels like Kiran was just jealous and wanted to one up his friend and screwed them both over in the end
@@chrisdawson1776 🤣🤣
18:20 Odiz didn’t make a mistake. It is perfectly reasonable that he deleted the files to clear off space. Kiran made himself look like an idiot, and took a legitimate run with him.
Who kiran
@@Kiran-ow9qf you watched the video bro?
@@thecatbrat42 I think he was joking
"Who kiran" -Kiran
Cry about it
"Grabbing blocks is almost never necessary" Me: *sobs in a basalt delta*
Whats a basalt delta biome? I havent played minecraft since the new update came out
@CreeperInfamousIsNotMe so that's what it is! I knew the biome but just not the name! Thanks!
@@gamegoyang Probably for top runners. My PB can still be improved on bad Nether terrain
@@gamegoyang illumina and the Sizzler sobbing in the corner after both getting world records in basalt delta.
@@gamegoyang "Illumina spawned in a basalt delta"
"He came about as close as we've ever seen anybody getting away with it" As if you would know about anyone who actually did, and probably still is getting away with it
@@indrianalovely6883 woman ewww
“Weve ever seen”
@@_Lodii its a bot you dum dum
@@juanherrera9546 ya dont say
@@juanherrera9546 ik lol
I'm gonna feel sorry for Odiz if his speedrun is legit. This seems like a guilty by association more than anything.
it has been proven that it was legit about 9 months ago
@@Based_Geography Thanks for the update, I don't often keep up with speedrun news as much as I used to.
@@alduintheanti-dragonborn i never did but i saw a video abt it
what video?@@Based_Geography
@@minori6375 i cant remember bro i said this 6 months ago
They had already validated the run, so going back after over a week has passed, asking for some files that take up a significant amount of space on a computer of a KZheadr, it seems reasonable that the files would have already been cleared away. If it was cheated, then perhaps the moderators shouldn’t have been so quick to validate the run, because that seems to be the reason why the proof is gone.
🙄 no.. he deleted it because kiran told him he was being investigated and he knew he would be next so he deleted it 🙄 Also he said that odiz didnt send all the additional necessary files needed to complete verification of the run so no they didnt already validate the run Not only that but he stalled for as long as possible and used the same bs excuses as kiran 🙄 Jesus do you people even listen?
ODEEZBIGNUTZ
@@Jiren420 🤭🤣🤡🤡
@@Jiren420 use your brain before talking and stop spamming those affirmations in every single comment if you don't even know anything. We will never know if it's true or fake we just can speculate so you can't say that.
@@Jiren420 Both 1 and 3 Are just dumb, not only is the first one based on nothing, he was stalling to try to find the WORLD FILES because he could have deleted them to clear STORAGE and for your 2nd point, if you submit a run, you arent likely to keep the files after even if not knowing it was verified, ive done that so many times!
Its so crazy how speedruns changed and how profesional are they now
but ironically was *first* popularized by a cheater
@@randombanana640 true, he popularized a comunity of so talented and smart people that they got him out and took the community they deserved
@@ibaialkezar4180 yea and dream already quit as well focusing on smp and challenges
@@randombanana640 challenges that are also cheated and "survival"multi players with commands, that man still going real on his way lmao
@@ibaialkezar4180 yea they're so sus and the so called hunters are so bad
"He was able to get 13 enderpearls in a couple of trades" hmm why does that sound familiar
Diododododosooxoxodododood
It was meant to mock dreams speedrun music but it looked dumb
@@randomhardcoreplayer2096 LMAO
@@randomhardcoreplayer2096 Lol
Lmao but good try tho
I feel like Odiz DID complete a legit run, and when his friend saw how well he did, wanted a bit of that "glory". The other side is if Odiz DID cheat/splice his video, he definitely was able to fake it amazingly well, and probably got warned by his friend to delete the files so he won't be caught.
Yeah well it was perfectly reasonable for him to delete the run because it was already uploaded on the internet and He didn't suspect that there was any problems with the run because it was legitimate
The vibe I’m getting for this is that Kiran fucked odiz over by trying to submit his own run
I feel bad for odiz. Guy made a legit speedrun after lots of practice over break and good luck, deleting the files after it was verified because it was wasting storage and he thought he was fine to clear his drive a bit (it was archived online, no need keep it)... and then his friend got him screwed over either out of jealousy or ignorance. The fact they even questioned odiz because his friend lied is like breaking up with your boyfriend because his friend cheated on his gf.
As a person who edits I always delete the files after uploading cause just a 10 min vid takes 1-2 hours to export with a lil over 1-2 GB.
It would make sense to delete it. Recordings takes up a lot of space, let alone the other stuff.
ITS NOT LEGIT!!!
@@Storm586Official And you know this how? Are you god? Do you have some special power?
he said that odiz didnt send all the additional necessary files needed to complete verification of the run so no they didnt already validate the run Not only that but he stalled for as long as possible and used the same bs excuses as kiran 🙄 Jesus do you people even listen?
Kiran’s run is just mildly infuriating
yes
I feel like Odiz's run was actually legit, and either Kiran tried to be like him because of jealousy or he wanted to impress him. There's many reasons.
I honestly love how serious the editing is, straight up criminal investigation level even tho it's about Minecraft speedruns. I'm kinda late on this, but great video.
"It's common knowledge that all Europeans know each other" This made me laugh, I was really not expecting it
its true :)
Haha I also laughed it is not rally true...
we also hate the different country every 5 minutes down the road
ODEEZBIGNUTZ
I think Odiz had done a legit run, as he seemed fairly legit (except the deleted files) and Kiran had done a fake run because he wanted to one up his friend.
Odiz is pretty legit Kiran’s run was absolutely obvious that it was fake
@@y100900185 looked like some luck to me tbh
@@tiddy671 exactly
i agree
@Deuse Juice yes bro i don’t got time to worry about an external
This has to be one of the most interesting stories I have seen online, it tells the full story of how it happened, very good video man
Okay im definitely not the only one who think odiZ isnt in the wrong, he isnt that suspicious compared to kiran, and he was shown to have smooth movement and good strats, this feels like a situation where a friend got jealous, cheated his way to the top, and then ruins it for everyone, and if you bring up “he deleted the world files eeemememe” my dude, videos can take up tons of storage, and i dont blame him for deleting that stuff, its just natural to do so.
If Odiz did cheat, he did the absolutely correct play of invalidating his own world record before he could get caught.
Also wouldn't speed runners do some set practice like training building portals? His last world might of been practicing with set items. My theory is he didn't cheat, a bucket means nothing. He could of timed himself building portals with lava buckets right?
@@legion6211 That's not Odiz, that's Kirin.
@@legion6211 Yes, but the world thumbnail was empty. If he were doing practice, the thumbnail would probably show that.
@@ephraimhxe1799 you dont get it do you, it basically means he had opened the world before, but it didnt show a loaded world because of the editing leading to another clip
@@dem0ny653 I know, the person I'm responding to was arguing that the bucket didn't mean anything because he could have been practicing. I'm saying that it's not the bucket that made him guilty, it's the fact that the world thumbnail was empty, showing it was edited.
"He doesn't even use hotkeys, instead of moving and dragging the pieces individually" That is literally the only way I've known how to play lmao
for regular players it’s fine. i think he’s more talking about serious speedeunners
The only speedrunnner I know who doesn't usually use hotkeys is couriway which is fun to watch and still is fast.
@@Wainey even couriway sometimes uses hotkeys
i misread this and thought you said "That is literally the only way I've known how to play PIANO"
@ it is when you press a key assigned to a slot inside an inventory to transfer that item to thr position of your cursor. For example, if you have some logs in your 1st slot, then you open your inventory and move your mouse to any slot in your crafting menu. Then, you can press 1 and the logs will be moved to where your mouse is, i.e a slot in your crafting menu. Itd hard to explain, so just go try it out. Open your inv, move your mouse any where within your inv, and press any button which corresponds with a slot in your hotbar to move the item in that slot
I think we need to give odiz another chance. I legit think that he could have got the WR but his friend decided to ruin it all by cheating in a run to be in the same level as his friend. It's like wanting to do an essay alone, and you do quite good, but then your jealous friend asks the teacher to work with you and just ruins the work entirely
I believe OdiZ. Many comments pointed it out, but the video failed to mention that the video and game files have been deleted after OdiZ’s run was accepted for days or even a week, and the video was up in KZhead. He had no need for those files, which were 20GB in total, and he had little storage space and a weak PC. As someone with a weak pc and little storage space, you can bet I won’t keep around a 20GB file unless I really really need it - and he didn’t need it because he was already verified for a while. And to the people saying, why didn’t he buy some storage space then? Guys… you’re forgetting that different countries have different currencies and economics. I’m from Hungary, and stuff like that is expensive. My 16GB USB drive cost me about a day’s worth of 2022 salary, and it broke after a month. It’s not small money. Well, not for everyone, maybe it is for you. Not to mention we don’t know how old OdiZ was at the time and whether he had his own money or not. And I can totally see his parents not wanting to buy an expensive, large and sturdy drive just to store a 20GB file for some game. So yeah, the files being deleted- that’s completely legit and understandable from the viewpoint of a person with a shitty pc, little storage, without the option of buying a large enough drive, with a 20GB file hogging up everything and having already been verified for days at the least. You just have to look at the situation from the POV of the person actually living it instead of your own, and then you can see that yeah - that does make a lot of sense. Unfortunately it seems like a lot of people fail to understand and do that. And, if the files missing isn’t evidence (which it isn’t) and the only other evidence is that his friend cheated (which isn’t evidence), or that there was a month gap in his uploads (not evidence, that’s summer break time, maybe he didn’t upload because he was playing…?), it all comes down to absolutely nothing. There is nothing to prove that he cheated. And the luck? There is the guy who won the lottery with his very first lottery ticket purchased in his life and the guy who got struck by lightning three times. Is it really so unbelievable that a seemingly skilled MC player can get a lucky seed and pull of a speed run of less than 20 minutes? I mean, come on… at this point you just want him to be guilty. It’s innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.
I like to imagine that he saw Odiz getting a good run, got jealous, and spliced a world record to take his friends spot
But you know its POLAND... Im from Poland and all... ALL youtuers are like that thats not bad you know... :)
@@Dozieg it litterally is bad
I'll be honest, I'd probably delete any files out of instinct if I was to ever Speedrun, and when people asks me for proof I'd be like "F*CK forgot this is a thing!"
I'm of the opinion that only Kiran is responsible for cheating during his attempt to recreate Odiz's formula. It's a damn shame that Odiz was brought down through no fault of his own by his own friend because they wanted to play a game of one-up.
it seems like Odiz' friend saw his friend about to win a record he knew he couldnt, and in jealousy rushed a bad fake run. Idk about anyone else, but I dump any video files after an upload, and clear my worlds pretty often, with a speedrunner making 10 worlds in a single sitting, I can absolutely see the need to delete often... Storage space is a bitch
"10 worlds in a single sitting" Oh my sweet summer child. At its extremes of a long day and a heavy resetter it can be well over 1000.
Any random seed speedrunner would have stored at least 3-digit-number worlds before mass deleting, since most of the time, the world file isnt really heavy, and deleting process is really annoyed
@@CarolCanGame you can clear them really easy in the .minecraft/saves folder
@@BlueCyann Yea I guess I didn't think of the number of "load in, bad start, instant scrubbed run" worlds that get generated
@@ZJasmineDragon Honestly the bucket means nothing. He could of been practicing portal building. When I speed run I don't upload runs. I just practice a run pause when I make a mistake. Write it down continue playing. All the way until I get through to the end portal or kill the dragon
odiz made several small mistakes, that would’ve been harder to make intentionally. also sub19 is possible for even an average player, if you get good rng. seems legit
I feel the same. Odiz is likely legit,and Kiran was very obviously cheating.
why someone would delete everything after delaying the files if he did legit lol?
It is now. But at the time when odiz submitted the record, there was only one sub21, and it was also a sub20.
He also made a mistake choosing his username. (Example: Odiznuts)
@@gabrielkaczynski5866 a lot of people i know including myself delete files after we’re done with them
this is a good video. alot of good points and when he criticizes the runners he gives good points from the other pov. well made
OdiZ's run i think was a legitimate run. 18:59 is a believable time, even if it was the world record at that time, and i think that there were some parts of the run that he messed up. if i record videos and decide to upload them or something, i would delete them, because why would i want to keep them if its already been uploaded? as well as there is no reason to keep the worlds.
"It's impossible to know for sure". It's possible someone will figure out some telltale sign of spliced runs nobody realized before, and go back and find the signs in these runs. For example, Clustertruck has a hud animation on a global timer. If you splice a run the animation desyncs with it's expected state. Minecrsft itself has the world generation animation. Audio gaps are used to catch many splicers who don't know better. Etc.
Or Super Meat Boys loading screen having a global animation on loading screens.
It's possible that you can made that comment short
@@athena4658imagine
@@athena4658 No abridged for you!
@@dhwwiiexpert So
The drip they have though..... that’s how they got this insane time.
Fr. Swagged the fuck out.
@@THICCTHICCTHICC Ikr
@@cubingcraft2 ikr
@@rujanbajracharya2222 ikr
@@imbored011 ikr
Listening to someone explain me speedrunning stuff of a game i don't run while ftl ost plays is something I didn't know i needed but definetley love
A kid who is actually good at minecraft speedrunning spliced a WR. Their friend (who was not very practiced at minecraft speedrunning) saw and decided to take advantage and "fake my own runz lol". Unfortunately, they were so bad at it, they not only invalidated their own run but also their friend's (much more believable) one. Wow. I know kids are stupid because I was a kid once but that is... another level. There's something going on that prevents kids from recognizing that surely the minecraft speedrun mods are _really good_ at detecting cheating?
Oh hey theft king I’m a huge fan of your content
Imagine if these guys had switched their graphics to fancy, could have easily been sub 10.
Just goes to show how inexperienced they were lol
lol how
@@mariyastoyanova31 you see, its a complex strategy they use called..... r/wooooosh
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@@mariyastoyanova31 cry harder
odiz is probably legitimate, he’s actually seems to be playing legitimate and not some sort of actual set seed being practiced. my man is chill as hell too
bozo
Ttotally loving that FTL music you're using, really brings me back.
This is why I don't ever expect to speedrun 1. I have low skill 2. When I get lucky Ima get reported as cheating
Actually - Odiz having improved a lot could be from the fact that it's actually summer break in Poland around that timeframe - Wouldn't be too alien to spend your entire holiday playing Minecraft, I guess? (Also, bonus points for using FTL music :))
@@xPRODIGYxGAMER conjecture brain evidence
Yeah exactly. Just because there was a gap in submitted runs and KZhead uploads doesn't mean there was a gap in PLAYING. Just meant he was practicing until he was happy with a run
@@xPRODIGYxGAMER You realize not everyone has the space for all the worlds or failed run videos correct? It's not off for him to have deleted old stuff to make room for new stuff,especially if he's constantly practicing in new worlds or trying new runs and dropping them. I may have a lot of space on my own PC,but I FREQUENTLY trash any files I don't need to save for something or use later. (Edit: I learned that apparently Odiz's PC isn't the best and the file was 20gbs.)
If you're a top speedrunner you need to have basic knowledge about what to submit to the mods, because editing out the part where you set the seed is so simple even a baby can do it. And acting as if you haven't entered the world before is not that difficult.
@@allisaaaaaaaa In this video we can see that first he just quits the world when he spawns in a forest but next time he spawns again in a forest but walks straight into a village and also he gets a completable nether portal with fortress right next to it. He might have got the filtered seed completable portal with fortress and used it because why should he quit the first world but continue in the second one?
so weird to watch old runs from before fancy graphics strats changed everything
Yeah
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@Arnesh Pal Its a joke from a former video from this channel
Bro it's so ez the gold sword was full Der and thes is impossible almost like it fake chance of it 0.000 fo happen and I solv the mystery
@@arneshpal7702 I see you everywhere lol.. mostly in jojo videos but still lol.
moral of the story: if you know a cheater you can't be trusted apparently lmao
Hey great vid man keep up the good work 👍
For my opinion OdiZ run was lagit, and his friend was so jealous so he did the fake one, I don't think he actually cheated
me too i think so
I still dont know how I feel about odiz's run but im scared, because if its fake that's a perfect splice and if they can do then other runners can too
I agree
Yea probably (idk how to say this without sounding rude but you also made a typo)
@@arrowpaw1847 Splices are really easy to do during the very start of the world loading screen if your mouse isn't there, since there's no audio. However, current top-level runners are required to submit world files/logs, where there are other ways of detecting splices (OdiZ was able to almost get away with it because weren't required to send world files/logs).
' Innocent until proven guilty ' is all I have to say about ODz's run
When you're called out, it's your job to prove the claims as false. The "proven guilty" part is basically when they can't submit legitimate proof they're not guilty. It's how all courts work! People claim you did something, or have suspicion you did, so you have to prove you didn't..if you can't you get charged. In ODz's case though it can't be proved he cheated or didn't cheat exactly, thus his run wasn't accepted, you either cheated or you didn't and if the answer can't be proven for either case then you fall into the same boat as cheating where you don't pass go, you don't win $200 your run is canceled.
@@testerwulf3357 That's not how all courts work at all. If the prosecution can't prove you did something, then you can't be charged. The onus of proof is NEVER on the accused. That being said, I think speedrunning is a little different and you do have to prove that you have achieved WR. Otherwise I'd just come out now and say I got the WR sub7 this morning ;)
@Tester Wulf :3 We dont know what actually happened in the case of ODiz. Yes personally, I do think that Odiz did cheat. But officialy we cant say that he cheated unless there is solid proof. If it isnt proved that he did cheat then you cant accuse the person of cheating. Of all we know, this is an unsolved mystery!
@@testerwulf3357 That's the exact opposite. It's the accusers' responsibility to prove guilt. In science, however, the larger the claim, the stronger the evidence must be. So making such a large claim as being the world record holder, you'd better have proof. Since neither have proof that it was either legit or faked, then it's marked as unconfirmed.
i was thinking the same thing.
That Kachow MLG clip is a literal work of art
I was just chilling and watching this video when i noticed the background music! I LOVE ftl and i think the music deserves more attention. Huge respect from me. (good video 😃)
I believe OdiZ's run was real, because I always delete my video files after I upload, and I dont like having too many worlds because they take up space. Also there was no hard evidence to prove Odiz was cheating and OdiZ is clearly a skilled player. Also Kiran could have been jealous of Odiz and tried to get a wr by cheating because he was wanting to beat OdiZ but lacked the skill to do it.
I mean I understand freeing up space but, it’s a completely different thing to delete all possible proof of your supposed WORLD RECORD run. Seems very fishy. He’s obviously got the skill for it but I can’t understand why he would delete all proof for his run
@@kappariley a lot of people delete them, odiz's run probably had around 2GB, which could prove why he deleted them
@@exd1489 The thing is most of us know a WR run they're going to need to submit proof, so stick it on your dropbox or something so at least you have a set ready to go for comparison.
@@cericat yes but AT THE TIME what was the proof that the MC Mods were requiring? They have changed their stance several times over the years with insistence on a live stream being one of them that got implemented then rejected then re-implemented
@@atomiccritter6492 August last year was video including new world creation required, seed had to be sent in for verification, logs and world save have been required to be kept for years in case of coming under scrutiny. The reason for wanting runners to stream has always been to make spliced runs harder and popped up in the aftermath of this pair in MC speedrunning again.
Honestly, I trust Odiz. His gameplay seems legit, and cmon, innocent until proven guilty
he is guilty becuse he is named ODIZ NUTS
In all honesty I agree. I think what might have happened was that Odiz legitimately did his run and his friend, wanting to be like him, made a spliced run to be like him. Odiz sadly felt too much pressure (not that the mods didn’t have justification) and didn’t provide the evidence because he was afraid of being marked guilty
Tbh, if I was him and was accused of cheating (and was innocent) I'd have a major anxiety attack. Even though I knew I was innocent the public eye may not see it that way
@smxisrainpYT tell that to anyone who has been wrongly convicted of a crime
@smxisrainpYT Wasn't his run verified before his friend faked his run? Also the guy likely has low storage on his PC and deleted the files because of it.
You had accidentally motivate me into seeing how long it would take for the moderators to figure out if a run is fake or not
5:30 for the people that didn't know the music at this timestamp and want to know, it is Faster Than Light Soundtrack - Rockmen (Battle)
The video feels surprisingly nostalgic as the OdiZ situation was happening when I first learnt about mc speedrunning. Great video as always!
lol what
@@indrianalovely6883 you have no husband
Its crazy how many people probably had no idea what odiz' s run was. Since I first started watching speedruns when illumina had the world record 23:53 it's been crazy how much the community has grown. I believed odiz had a legit run but it didn't really matter because dimeax wiped the floor a few weeks later
I mean thats fair, but its also possible that he had a legit run and should have been at least appreciated for having that run even if it was for a single day. Personally, if a friend of mine had screwed me over like that. I would have to see how much of the event he remembered after he got out of intensive care.
Loved hearing this story, I'm like on my fourth re-watch :))
Geosquare saw the whole thing. Good job my lad! Glad to see you still strong!!!
He deleted the footage after it had already been verified because he didn’t have a very good PC at the time and the file was 20GB, I think that’s understandable. Edit: I also feel the need to clarify. AFTER IT HAD ALREADY BEEN *VERIFIED* Edit 2 (because apparently I need to do this): he only deleted the footage AFTER the speed running comity had already reviewed his footage and said “yep this is legit”.
Yeah I don't see why that's "evidence." Does a twitch streamer keep every piece of raw footage after it's already uploaded and archived on twitch?
@@icantthinkofanything798 don’t you think you would keep your world record at least?
@@LiterallyLea8 no, if the file was 20 gb id bloody throw it away, that's such a waste of storage..
what kind of video is that 20 GB
@@icantthinkofanything798 it's not evidence of anything, even the video says that, it's the fact that there's no evidence that's the issue
OdiZ is innocent ,and I firmly believe that. Kiran tried to one-up him and ended throwing them both under the bus.
First also I agree with your point
How to make yourself look extremely suspicious: -Delete files that are essential in proving your validity.
"who's odiz? odeez nuts" that part made me rolling on the floor 😂
“I forgor 💀 the mod on, sorry” - Dream
What
@@remainingzryan8815 this is what he said after he cheated his speedrun.
@@mhkk1491 It may not be about him, but this reminded me of him. It doesn't need to be about him
@@porpoise8160 It doesn't need to be related to this video :(
XDDD
bro imagine odiz was actually legit and after being so happy he's let down by the simple mistake of deleting files however there is something he can do and that is roll back his windows which might help
I mean what they could do is ask Odiz to submit another run to them that is unedited and see if the skill level matches and all that
That is so sad. Poor Odiz.
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The axe spamming could actually be explained by nerves and trying to hit faster so the last hit is half a second faster.
I'm a long time 1.8 PvPer and I can relate, when I'm pressured in 1.9+ I also often spam the axe cause of the panic
kiran is a confirmed cheater, you don't need to be defending him lmao
@@letsprogress4124 ikr, just saying it for other runs
@@letsprogress4124 I’m not defending him, but I’m just saying that that part isn’t necessarily a sign of bad skill.
Just because someone you're friend's with cheats, doesn't mean you cheated. Not to mention that the moderators had validated Odiz run before asking for the files. He had deleted them because they were taking up space so why would he keep them when it was already validated
If OdiZ was really an above-average player, it is definitely possible he got lucky and didn't cheat. It's possible he didn't know that he would need to send his editing files for validation (very implausible, but not impossible) and just deleted these files to make room on his computer.
it's not implausible because the mod said "your run is verified, you have the world record" and only asked later for the raw footage because of what Kirin did. So if your run is on youtube and you already have been validated, quite plausible to just delete them.
2:14 3 weeks thats it? Almost forgot that this isnt Trackmania. Minecraft speedrunning is still pretty new
Not only twice as new, (ish), but Minecraft, while less precise, has many more variables.
@@indrianalovely6883 que decia el loco ajaj
14:36 "In his panic, Kiran shot himself..." Oh no 😨 "In the foot" Oh
oversimplified reference?
@@arcihungbycraneonfire Nope, what video are you talking about?
@@joaquinlaroca2886 u dont know, do u? Oversimplified is a history KZheadr that often makes Jokes. Oversimplified has made a video about WW2 and h**ler made a mistake in WW2 so he said so h**ler shot himself in the foot, Just the foot for now.
I feel like its kind of silly how this is like "the closest we've ever seen someone to getting away with cheating" as if we know that no one on the leaderboard cheated
I loved the FTL: Faster Than Light music at the background
It’s sad to see how when Speedrunning, which was meant to be for fun and for competition, turned into a place where people try to cheat using the most insane ways just to claim the first rank.
Any sport turns into this with enough competition
I love how 6 beds went from risky to really safe in about 2 weeks lmfao
For all we know, odiZ could have set a legit speedrun and did delete the files on accident
Odiz doesn't seem like he cheated and actually had a lot of practices. Kiran, being a friend of his, ruined his reputation and made people suspicious of his run.
I like how even watching a players movements is indicative of their skill level and how people think runs can be faked with no knowledge of the game
Interestingly enough about the bucket, it is theoretically possible for him to have had a bucket and a blank image, there is and has been for a bit a bug in the game that causes the world not to render an image when leaving, but that doesn't change anything on this matter
15:54 about the bucket, idk why when i leave a world and enter another one, for less than a second when the worls loads, i see the items i had in my hands in the previous world...
“The question is How was this tied back to OdiZ” then i got a 10 second unskippable AD damn these cliffhangers
The "Odiz nuts" got me laughing I'll admit
Agree
Love his fake outro
agreed
If OdiZ is legit, I feel really bad for them. Imagine this theoretical scenario(that *might* be true): You get a WORLD RECORD, then since you already have a copy of your video on KZhead, you delete your video for space. A few days later, a friend with a similar PB progression to you, that you've also been trying to stop from doing this, fakes a WR. Then, due to this suspicion, the Mods accuse you of faking you're run. You made points against them, but since you're friend had similar excuses, they're seen as lies. Then, not only you're run was rejected, but also 1 year later, TWT makes a video on you're run tagged "#FakeSpeedrun"
The only issue with the video is saying that you have to be well versed in the current SR strategies to become a world record contender. Some people wanna see what they can manage on their own without learning potentially damaging strategies. I think it was the golden eye speed run that was just destroyed by someone that didn't know the current pathing and blew everyone else out of the water
Surely we could make and enforce a speedrunning recording software where you record all your runs within the software, and they are uploaded to jt automatically. No footage could be edited or uploaded, so it would always be raw videos. If this was the only way to submit runs, no one could cheat ever
That's why streaming is very popular for speedrunning.
Until someone hacks that software. Then you'd need a software to record the other software being downloaded from the official website, which itself needs to be official .. and so on ... There is no absolute security.
@@niceowl even if this problem would be solved, just wait until somebody figures out how to modify the minecraft client (spoiler: has been done already)
Better make it cross Platform then, not everyone uses windows or Mac OS.
@@lakesideminers1339 can you play Java edition on a different platform?
"As close as we've ever seen to getting away with it" Well if they *did* get away with it, wouldn't we not know?
Castle Defense Online is a multiplayer game that you should try out. There are 23 characters and 60 relics, different relic combinations can determine the game.
I like that you use the Faster Than Light Soundtrack
"he was able to get 13 enderpearls in a couple of trades" me: *spits out milk*
I got 9 with 6 gold ingots once
I _got 7_ with 3 stacks of gold ingot everytime i trade with the piglins
Dream luck
I got 0 from an entire shulker box full of ingots
I got
I’m not hating, you did a wonderful video and research! ❤️ I just wanted to say that the black and white thumbnail (I’ll call it blank thumbnail) is not a valid reason to say they cheated. I usually, very very often, have worlds with blank thumbnails. Even after playing for MONTHS on that world, my thumbnail sometimes gets glitched. It happens very frequently to me. The run was very suspicious tho, I’m just saying it’s not enough reason :) Great vid! 🥳
Same. My java 1.17 worlds thumbnail has updated once since I created it.
@@xbsc some of mines too!
I'm glad you used FTL music for the background audio
I gotta ask, what shader is being used for the landscape shots
0:56 That might just be the best intro I've ever heard in my entire life.
ya you correct dude 😂😂😂
Maybe Kiren just saw his buddy get a world record, and wanted to do the same to look good. I personally think the run was legit. It’s okay if you have a different opinion
Sorry bro your opinion is invalid 😎
@@artic_cy4705 me when my opinion is invalid : *insert dio's defeat scream from Heritage From The Future (old game based on jojo) here*
0:36 Thanks for mentioning Diary of a Wimpy kid series here I like them too much while no one cares for it, they are underrated 17:27 WOW YOU MENTIONED IT AGAIN
Love the FTL soundtrack in the background :)
For all new comers to speed running, having a set seed is okay, as long as it's in the set seed category, the thing with these 2 Speedruns, is they're in the random seed category
I really dont see any reason to reject odiZ's run. It looks legit no matter how you look at it and the minor inconvenience doesnt prove he cheated, only that he doesnt have evidence. Just because you dont have evidence, it doesnt mean your always in the wrong