In this video, I go over the fake Minecraft speedrun Iceberg. Throughout Minecraft speedrunning's huge boom in popularity, there have been some people who who have tried to fake their way to the top. I will be examining many of these cases, and taking you through the story of how they came to be.
Quick note: In the video, I refer to Zyphon as “he,” but I’ve been informed that they use she/they. That wasn’t intentional, mb.
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"super clean 7 bed one cycle", that whole big tony bit was hilarious, i can't get over it.
honestly i couldn't stop laughing
Speedrun Legend was also funny but Big Tony is the best Lmao
„Just in case the portal was a -4 eye“ LMAO
@@purplejay8030 I burst out laughing at that part
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Big Tony was truly legendary. Sad that amateurs say that his run was fake...
did Big tony submitted the run tho?
Yeah, big Tony just chatterd it😂😂😂
Big Tony is a beast
he's just on another level
Big Tony is clearly a god of speedrunning
Pro tip: just don't cheat. The speedrunning community are serious people, and your run will be destroyed and clowned on.
And if you can’t it’s all right just admit to it, even if people make fun of you then remember it’ll be better than if you DID cheat
@@banananations damn I cant believe I cheat 😶
And they can murder u :b
It also is gonna ruin your reputation, if you decide to actually Speedrun. So it's really not a good choice
@@possiblycreative1882 ruin your reputation = doesn't really make a difference to your sub count 🤣
“After spending about 25 seconds in the settings menu, he was not only able to change his render distance to 17, but also back down to what it originally was.” This killed me multiple times
Lol
I love the sarcasm with Big Tony's run haha. The weirdest thing is that he actually spent the time learning to route a bastion but he didn't bother learning why runners change some settings every now and then, as if he thought what he did wouldn't be obvious??
he probably just watched a bunch of runs on youtube and copied what they did. my guess is illumina’s FWR 13:53 because that would explain the no coordinates for blind travel, the treasure route, and the blacksmith start. also probably brentilda’s run as he went straight into the portal room.
I personally don’t think he was ever trying to claim WR with that run, it was a joke and some people ended up taking it seriously despite how obviously it was faked. He didn’t even submit it as far as I’m aware, so I think he meant for it to be obvious and for people to know it was fake.
I think either he just copied what other speedrunners did or made it as a joke. I'm leaning more on the latter because he was wearing a Dream skin and intentionally showed he was doing this on a banned mod
@@egg7540 exactly what I was thinking, I forgot about the dream skin and optifine but imo that proves it was an elaborate (or not so elaborate) joke
@@chadandersen6590 they did submit the run iirc, it was rejected immediately.
So sad Speedrun Legend got accused of cheating. He's just a very fortunate person.
"genetically lucky"
Dream : *"First Time?"*
It’s a simple key to success, it’s just 1500 below and 2500 up
Good gaming chair
the mod bans him because he use an ugly ass texture pack
It’s amazing how even though there are more controversial fake speed runs than dream’s but his fake run was the one that took the most work to prove
Hypocrisy
I think the reason they spent so much more effort on it was that at the time Dream was basically the face of minecraft speed running. For most other runners they would have simply gone “here is the binomial distribution for your Pearl and rod drops, and combing them makes you literally millions of times more lucky than even the luckiest person playing a luck based game. It’s clearly fake”. Like legitimately, if every human on earth did an entire speed run every single second non stop for 100 years, odds are non of them would get the luck dream did even once. But because it was dream they knew they would have millions of people looking at them, so they had to make things far more thorough than they needed it to be. If the only people they were trying to prove it to were mathematicians the report would have been like a single page, because they understand just how ridiculous his “luck” was. But they would have to present it to a general audience, they they had to repeatedly go “putting everything in his favour, he still has crazy luck” multiple times.
As someone who studies law it actually makes sense. You see he didnt splice his speedrun like some others but had a modified version of Minecraft so the run itself was played "correctly". Technically its scientifically impossible to proof to this day that he cheated knowingly and if this would be a court case where someone gets the death penalty he would be send free in lack of evidence. Not defending dream just explaining i personally think that he probably knew it so yeah..
@@Sir_Budginton yeah ik but still
@@snaili6679 if he didn’t admit to using the mod it was still technically possible to be a legit run which when you think about it is scary - if somebody legitimately gets that lucky what will happen?
When rejecting Mynski's run mods made sure to point out that there wasn't any evidence that proved the run was faked in any way. The problm with his run was that new more strict rules had been implemented were you needed evidence of past attempts in order to get a sub 15 verified. Mods had been really flexible recently because they had verified 2 wrs that used fabric API (even though they had clearly stated that it was banned), so it was necesary to reject his run so that people would know that they were serious about the new verification requirements for runs. Mynski happened to get that run in the worst moment possible, and then brentilda got sub 10 so everyone just forgot about his run.
I guess bad stuff happened with all in the 3rd section.
I dont think that rule is worth much, someone who can manufacture a really convincing fake speedrun probably has to have some knowledge and therefor probably has past runs. I dont think people who never speedrun are capable of creating covincing fakes
I feel so bad for him
"He was not only able to change his render distance to 17, but also, back down to where it originally was." It's insanely impressive that you delivered that without breaking.
Flowbee's was the most funny for me due to why he did it lmao. There were so many ways he could've avoided it and could easily get away, BUT NO he HAD to go for the dumbest, most time consuming and the most risky way
To make it worse the mod he was trying to impress is 1) a lesbian and 2) has a girlfriend. Dude literally nuked his career for a lesbian with a girlfriend.
@@kendiaz89 pretty sure that was just an excuse for faking a run lmao
@@tangybarbecue9815 idk man if he really wanted, he would've faked a world record right cause he did have good times before this so just having a run which could've been a world record wasn't that big of a deal ? The story seems to have a back bone to it but yea what flowbee did was dumb any ways
@@vic_710 no you missed that part, all of his earlier runs were found to be spliced. So he made up a story which would make sense of why he would cheat and cheat only once. To try and cover up what would later come out to show he was a serial splicer. So the excuse was completely fake
@@tangybarbecue9815 Actually, "ALL" weren't faked some were, he certainly did have some skill. But yea it does make sense to make up such an excuse since as I said in my comment, there would be a lotta ways to get out of that situation
What I found most interesting about the Flowbee case and what you didn't mention in the video was how, in the end, all of his faked runs got exposed by a sound analysis in combination with a few frames missing. He insisted that all of his other records were real, but people noticed that the macro he was using for a faster world creation contained 2 more clicks - pasting a set seed in the corresponding box. It could be heard in the footage and upon closer inspection it could be seen as a small skip of the timer - there was a frame or two missing, which would be the frames showing the seed screen. Also, timestamps in the description would be highly appreciated!
I considered including this detail, but the FlowBee section was already dragging on. Thanks for the comment!
@@pikaJrl Hardworker
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Also, Krystal was a lesbian who was already in a relationship, so Flowbee had no chance with her.
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Lmao I laughed thru the whole run of Big Tony - the commentary was hillarious
same
Watch the weekly thing he did a video on it so funny
“Sup rising didn’t totally fu.. up the route”
I feel so bad for speed run legend, the only thing his luck couldn't cover was choosing a legal texture pack. He was just so lucky and deserved the dub!
maybe he wasnt such a fortunate person :(
my friend uses that texture pack to help with her color blindness. the bright color’s and contrast help her to tell the blocks apart. i feel bad if that’s the reason speedrun legend was using the texture pack cos no one with color vision would ever choose that but he did use no fog which is banned. honestly i think they should allow some color blindness texture packs to make it more equal but it’s up to the mods
he didn't do a fake run (if he did, then how'd he be speed run legend?
@@double_illusions2121 I'm pretty sure those texture packs are allowed, but no fog was probably what this guy meant in the video.
Can't help but feel bad for Odiz, cause whether his run was legit or not (though I believe it is legit), he was fucked over by his friend.
and Mynski ):
It would've still been rejected due to lack of evidence but yeah still sucks
Everyone in the deep section of the iceberg was not properly judged as fake, only karbanos being proved innocent.
@@sixeyedbird actually it wouldn't, they only asked for more proof because of kiran
@@Redddragon oh ok nvm I heard it told differently but I dunno
SpeedRun Legend's one has always fascinated me, wish it was possible to get more info on it
“He’s a very fortunate person”
@@Aqabal 😂
Theweeklything's video should explain most of it
Lovejoy POG Also he's just a very fortunate person.
hes just a very fortunate person when it comes to speedrunning
I'm in the video even though I didnt cheat. nice :D
the question is will you cheat on the furture?
@@xaxcord2739 the answer is no
in stream you said you wont cheat right
Ayyy I was the first 69th like
@@DrarerDisl good
It's funny how many times Dream interfered when he saw other ppl cheat
Lol true
he didn't know his files were altered when he ran the run. I have never watched dream, so I really don't care about him.
Dream was like ; if I get caught cheating we all get caught cheating
@@missluffy7032 Exactly XD
@@ominaroust1109 Why did he admit to it then? You obviously don't know, nor do you have any evidence.
Antarctica has icebergs, too :O
Hi Zyphon
Hi Zyphon
@@Ayundaru Hi Ayun
Hi Zyphon
@@Ayundaru zyphon ayundaru, what are you doing here
[ Top of the iceberg ] 1:23 Dream 3:49 Drem [ Shallow ] 6:25 FlowBeee 10:49 "Big Tony" [ Deep ] 13:23 OdiZ 15:05 Korbanoes 17:08 mynski [ Deeper ] 18:35 kiran77 20:37 SpeedRunLegend [ Deepest] 23:56 Lomiig 26:16 Abdron
Aah, senpai, not so deep...
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Vistery i see you here it so ดี
@ imDaniX it’s not my fault it’s that far down
@@imNotDaniX C O O M S
Abdron was so chill about it, really nice to see someone cheat, but then own up to it. Definitely worse than not cheating but at least he is honest about it.
"just in case the portal was a negative 4 eye" that killed me
timestamp?
You forgot the best part of the FlowBee situation. Krystl, the girl he simped for, is a lesbian and was already in a relationship.
Yea, I could've included that, but what I said in the video was already pretty brutal. Not tryna rub salt in the wound.
@@pikaJrl lol. Fair enough.
Lmao
“He had a crush on crystal, and didn’t wanna do something as shameful as mess up on a good seed” He may have cheated but at least he got his priorities straight lmfao
I remember the fact that Abdron was a top runner for 1.14 and then admitted to cheating caused some people to begin being suspicious of other top runners. I don't remember the channel name, but there was a video made about Illumina's 13:53 FWR at the time it was achieved claiming they thought he cheated on the run, with the main point of suspicion being no F3 was used for the run while the category was highly optimized for F3. Of course, Illumina is known for his stubborn refusal to use F3, only recently giving in to learning F3 strats, so the suspicion was unfounded, but its still interesting how even Illumina, one of the oldest and most trusted members of the community, was put under mild scrutiny bc of Abdron's confession.
The breakdown of the big tony run actually had me laughing out loud. Thank you pikaJ for this video!
Big Tony more like big pp
I love how you just talk about big tony's random settings changes like they're some kind of god strat I shouldnt just assume they aren't though... I should try changing my settings from Fast to Fancy before entering the bastion. Also, god, I hate it when my stronghold is a -4 eye...
lmao dude
My pb had 4 eye
@@peterwille8239 Oh cool
the dream went from finding a fake speedrunner to becoming a fake speedrunner
He found a fake speedrun that turned out to be real and did a real speedrun that turned out to be fake
To quote Palpatine, “Ironic.”
"You're supposed to destroy the fake runners not joining them" - Minecraft Space Jesus, probably
@@feuerrm no the one he found was fake tho, assuming you’re talking about drem
Convenient how this is uploaded on 2/2/2022 this man likes the number 2
And I'm ur like number 2
Just wait 20 more days
im the 2^6 like
22hrs 22mins 22secs imagine
He should have uploaded it on the 22. It would be 22/02/2022
What was most ironic for me regarding flowbee's run is that Crystal is not only lesbian, she has a girlfriend 🤦♀️
is flowbee a boy or a girl? i have no idea lol
Boy
@@abeeragarwal4516 he's male
he faked a run cos he was down bad for a lesbian. this just gets funnier
tragic
the other sad part about Flowbee's scandal is that Krystal was also in a relationship with someone at the time
I am so disappointed that Big Tony was accused like that....Big Tony obviously would never cheat.
Pikaj releasing a 30 min video chance of happening is 1 in 7.5 trillion
Lol
This is only a list of the cheaters that weren't good enough to not get caught.
the sad thing is that you are completely and utterly right
imagine if somebody like brentilda was a cheater
@@ramble21 that's one of my biggest fears, realising that someone as good and skilled as brentilda or other speedrunners (doesn't even have to be minecraft) are actually cheaters. Just like Dream, peaple looked up to them, but realised he's a scammer
I don’t think this is nessecairily true, it’s just the ones that attracted attention, because either they are WR, or they were performed by someone with 10M+ subs. Dreams runs wasn’t even WR, I guarantee the only reason he was caught was because of his large following
@@igorPatritrovoh dear,
Epic video I actually really wanted to know more about the last 2 cases you mentioned so ty for that
I mean it's not my fault the 2 last ones were the worst lmao
@@llamacop2491 so true
Great video! Really impressed with your editing, you can tell you spent a lot of time on this
I heard about all of these runs excluding the final layer, I guess I’m pretty fortunate with that. Also, I’ve always been kind of miffed that Mynski was denied without even circumstantial evidence. It was baseless and felt like gate keeping world record runs. Especially seeing as he never dipped on the community, even after this event, and continued showing a similar level of skill in his later runs. If there wasn’t evidence before, I would think that there is now.
Can't imagine the amount of work the mods would have to put in to watch all the runs and make sure everything was done legit. Mad respect.
these are so well edited for an underrated KZheadr. I've been subscribed for while and your videos did legitimately get my attention
"just in case the portal was a negative 4 eye" good one xd
Sad that these "speedrunners" think that big Tony's run is fake he probably spent weeks to get that godly run you're all just jealous.
The Odiz run could actually be real, usually after making a video you delete all the other footage because it takes up space. I usually wait a week after something is outputted just in case though.
I've waited 2 long months for more long form content from you. It was worth the wait.
Very cool video! Very well explained, I loved it. Keep it up man!!
love the longer videos! this video is super nice, and the last scandal is how most of them should be delt with
I'm super happy for you. I remember when your channel had less 1000 subs, but you were still making vids and working hard. Now all of that hard work finally pays off. Hands down for all of the 60k legends out there. Thanks for being an amazing KZheadr!!!
Yoo finally brentildas 29 second world record will be exposed.
Keep up the grind bro, these videos are so high quality.
Your dry humor and commentary is so funny man i had to sub, keep it up
Didn't SpeedRunLegend also use optifine? With the no fog, that's also banned.
yeah they did
"that's when dream got in the bathtub at 4am to write a pastebin" shouldn't have been that funny of a sentence
Great video as always! I really hope this is the last large iceberg for Minecraft Speedrunning.
I’ve watched this video so many times and find myself coming back. Really well edited and executed!! :))
All in all a very good video. Glad to say that i know all of these scandals. Could’ve included more obscures ones like the person who faked a 12 eye (which i don’t remember the name) or the german ssgp duo wr (which was deleted) but all in all good video!
top tier commentary, great content, you did a great job
For real
This is some crazy dedication! Great Job Man!
Yoo, you have achieved comedy xD, jokes apart, one of the best iceberg videos that I ever saw! Love your videos
I find it hilarious that Flowbee did all of that to impress a girl, who herself was into girls.
honestly dream, how can you accidentally use a mod that increases drop rates
I guess you should watch karl jobst's video
he uses the mod for minecraft manhunts. if you believe him, he likely recorded a minecraft manhunt and then forgot to remove it afterwards. he's done several genuine speedruns and gotten records (at least i think, correct me if im wrong), and so it's most likely he forgot to remove the mod, received the backlash for the impossible time, and then tried to move on from it quickly by denying claims until inevitably coming clean after the backlash had calmed down. if you dont believe him, then he felt the need to be the best and uphold his image as a minecraft legend under all the pressure and purposely used the mod for a few speedruns and was too proud to accept defeat. regardless, it's a bit of a sad situation considering the backlash was so bad he doesn't even do speedruns for himself anymore. thats my take.
@@jaybloxian6570 Karl Jobst is an absolute legend
I mean because of his lies the speedrun moderators received so much backlash from his crazy 8 year old fans
@@thealmightybucket5930 "he likely recorded a minecraft manhunt and then forgot to remove it" sure buddy, sure
Just a comment for the algorithm. Great SummoningSalt style vid! I really enjoy both your 3 minute and your 30 minutes videos! 😊
Unbelivably nice vid so much work keep it up!!! 😊
21:05 did those extra planks come from the ground or a splice?
Lol, i didn't notice that but I think from a splice because he 4 planks in his hand while crafting
*THE SKY* 0:51: ThE fUnNiEsT fAkE sPeEdRuNs EvEr 1:21: Dream Cheating Situation 3:48: Drem *THE SURFACE* 6:25: Flowbee 10:49: Big Tony *THE TIP* 13:20: Odiz (NUTS) 14:58: Korbanoes 17:06: Mynski *THE DEPTHS* 18:30: Kiran 20:32: Speedrun Legend *THE ABYSS* 23:55: Lomiig 26:11: Abdron
dude this video is the perfect balance of funny and also informative nice job
Ur commentary is so funny I always laugh. Thank u for ur vids
Damn Big Tony is such a pro, I wish I was as good as him, why would people accuse him???
He's literally better than Dream, he is an underrated pro
@@netheriteshovel1526 everyone is better than dream, but this guy is better than Obama, speedrun legend and Elon Musk combined.
@@igorPatritrov your speaking facts right there
don’t forget that krystal said she had a girlfriend after the flowbee drama which just makes that situation even funnier
the very fortunate end fortress FeelsStrongMan. Also, great quality vids pika, especially the editing
Pika, you're my favorite youtuber. I can never make it through your vids without laughing! Keep up the good work my guy!
This is so cool because it talks about real fake speed runs and not those dumb joke videos I always see Reccomended
Dreams ego is so huge he thought he could just act like a mod. Then it just ended up back firing on him
15:19 "So this is where all of 2020's luck went." Underrated comment.
ur monotonous execution of these jokes is absolute comedic genius bro
22:36 that failed mlg bucket killed me
This will premieres in 2/2/2022, 22:00 for me 😳
amazing video, please continue you will go so far in this community
0:48 did you really search that up to include it, truly legendary commitment
22:46 Ah yes, the new end fortress structure that came in the new update
Amazing vid! Lots of info! :)
when Odiz run got verified, he deleted the recording (because why would the run get unverified) tbh I also do it. Personally I think it was real, but we will never be sure about that
these long videos are sooo good and entertaining
I always wonder what compelled Dream to cheat. It wasn't a set seed, no splicing, no faking skills. He's a talented player. Was a 15% pearl trade really worth one's reputation?
dream stan spotted
@@brilliantbrb3290 ?
@@brilliantbrb3290 ?
i, to this day, still refuse to believe flowbee threw away his entire career because he was down bad for a girl 💀💀
But...That's what he did.
Something about the way you swear reminds me of when I was kid watching Minecraft videos laughing until my sides hurt. Hard to describe exactly what it is, but I enjoyed your presentation of these runs
I have been longing for a 30 min video. Nicely done pika
There’s several more layers below this that you could’ve done, but youtube isn’t ready for that yet
Maybe it's just a good gaming chair
Man your sense of humor is really good.
5:00 i have never seen a pink Floyd reference in a Minecraft video before, that's great XD
Big tony better be up the top
Respect to Abdron for admitting it
holy crap last tim i watched you you had less than 10k subs congrats on growing so much
I absolutely love Minecraft speed running so this channel is perfect for me Love your videos!
I feel bad for speed run legend, he was nurvous and I think almost cried, just te be rejected by his texture pack. R. I. P
Pretty *unfortunate* But in all seriousness part of it is his fault that he didnt know that no fog and that texture pack wasnt allowed
isn’t that texture pack a color blindness one? my friend uses pretty much the same one and she’s completely color blind. the bright color’s help her tell the blocks apart better since she only sees in grayscale. if that’s the reason he was using the texture pack then maybe it should be allowed or another color blindness texture pack should be allowed to make it more fair for color blind people. his run should still be banned tho cos no fog. it’s common sense to know that’s not allowed
"genetically good RNG" made me giggle like an anime schoolgirl Just imagine, you ask someone why they're so lucky and they say *"IT'S CODED INTO MY GENES"*
I get so lucky so often that my friends claim similar things about me. They have not used the term "Dream Luck" yet, but I can definitely see them doing so sometime in the future.
i literally could not stop laughing at the big tony speedrun and your commentary of it holy shit that was amazing
Dude holy moly i have seen every video u have shown in the start lmao
I found really ironic that dream called out many runners for cheating (and some weren't fake) when he did what he did. I like his manhunts but I'm glad he's not in the Speedrun community anymore, he only bring drama
Well technically if we are to go by his words, he didnt know he had cheated. Tbh, I dont take a stance on this, i just enjoy his content
True every coin has 2 aspects.
Tbh it just makes dream a good guy, trying to avoid any cheaters on the community. I think he would have accepted his mistake so early if there isn't any toxic dream haters like you
The one speed run he actually had an affect on was korbonos, and what he found was a fair point. If anything, he was trying to help korbonos after he found the strange file.
@@sharathbabu5166 I said that I like his manhunts, how can you call me a dream hater? Lol
Big Tony is the best cheating case and nobody can disagree
My god... your commentary on big tony had my howling with laughter!!!
One thing you didn’t mention about mynski that made it so interesting was the fact that they were VIP in Dream’s chat. I forget who brought it up, but it caused a huge conspiracy and many started theorizing that mynski was just Dream’s alt account trying to get back on the leaderboards. Apparently it was proven that he was VIP in Dream’s chat because they made his channel emotes. Still a really cool story to this day