The government outlines sweeping reforms to how much tax and national insurance electricians must pay…
…the NICEIC launches four new qualifications for the trade…
…and an engineer dubbed Mr Safety is in line for a £1 million pay out after a horrific accident in the North Sea…
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Time Stamps ⏱
00:00 Electrical Industry News - Monday 11th December
00:37 Govt unveils sweeping tax reforms for electricians
01:29 Plans to change tax deductibility of training costs
02:39 Largest network of 30,000 charge points to be installed
03:07 Addison Lee U turns on zero emission targets
03:55 Electric Chargers also needed for rivers
04:21 Lack of electricians is a serious issue
04:50 Misconception amongst young people that sparks aren't well paid
05:30 Last week's question of the week
06:19 Engineer wins £1 million court ruling after serious injury
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Sparks wages are not good. Bad sparks get paid too much, and good sparks do not get paid enough, and they should get paid even more when they're going round fixing all the bad sparks work !
Sadly all the bad Electricians think they're the good ones because they're only trusted to fix issues rather than installing them to begin with
Feel your pain my son put himself threw college upto level 3 over 500 job applications and not a single interview and were se London. Has now applied to fire brigade.
@@davidtaylor3013 I’m currently a level 2 student for the 8202 C&Gs qualification and apparently level 3 is being unfunded next year so at least he got in at the right time
Ahhh, Dear Old BS-5839!!! ...I had just fixed a fire alarm for a Hotel in Margate and was detailed to demonstrate it to the fire department in just the same way as I had demonstrated the fire system in the hotel next door (a year or so earlier) ...this time, the Same fire officer enlightened me to the delightful world of BS-5839, I was notified that any fire alarm systems on Hotels now had to be compliant....... - I ended up back at Crete working as a fisherman, olive farmer, general horeca operative (changing lightbulbs, fixing leaks, making fridges so that they don't electrocute people etc etc).......
Tighten the screw until something cracks, then go back a quarter turn. No torque calibrated arm, my arse.
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Exactly
Are you suggesting your butt is torque calibrated? 🤔😂
Great news weekly as always Joe? And thank you for the prize it’s very much appreciated 👍
sparks wages are not good. I am self employed and charge more than most in my area. The cost of running an electrical business is high, I have done the sums and know that If i was a full time employed HGV driver, I would be around 12 - 14K a year better off without dealing with all the customer moaning about the cost of electricians all the time. I am a 21 year time served electrician and am still genuinely interest in electrics, but as far as being in the trade and all the shit that goes with it, its probably not worth it
Electricians wages are terrible for what we do. The JIB didn't issue a pay rate increase during covid and haven't caught up since. Seeing all the sectors going on strike to get more pay than most employed sparks. Just need a day where every spark has a day off and see how much chaos there is by 9am.
Nice Video again! 👍
I'm out of work due to random epilepsy caused from stress. I can work but have to be extra safety aware, I have worked at a charity workshop for 2 years and cycled and never had a seizure. But have had seizures at home. I have 17th edition but no test inspection, driving licence but only after 1y clear but keep losing it. Companies won't employ me as must have driving licence or van included. So house and now living with parents 😒
For a minute I thought it was gonna be about doing foriners after work 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Will you be paying less tax? It depends! If you're increasing your prices to allow for inflation, remember that the income tax and NI personal allowance thresholds are STILL FROZEN (to 2028 at the moment). Despite the changes to the NI rates, you could quite easily still pay MORE tax in the next tax year!
The government is just playing if they are real and means it then simply every week they should do an automatic tax return in the payslip by this simple method. Around 55 pounds week is paid back in wages from tax because that is for travel and for tools per week. Thus if someone tax is let us say 250 pounds per week etc which is based on 20 percent for sole traders then 55 pounds should be paid back for everyweek in wages payslip for petrol or traveling to work and a small amount for tools etc. This is the only way any government can be seriouse other than that is it is just pure deception for showing pennies to people....
The way those cables are cable tied on that tray behind you makes my head hurt
What's wrong with it? 🤔
Re: VAT relief. If you're making more than the VAT threshold in turnover, which any full time electrician should be, then you must be VAT registered, then it doesn't matter what the VAT rates are because you don't pay the VAT. The concept of VAT relief is irrelevant. It's paid by your customers where those customers are menbers of the public, or other businesses which are not VAT registered. The true cost to a sole trader or limited company which is VAT registered of any raw matetials they buy, if bought from another business which is VAT registered is simply the cost of raw materials _without_ VAT. The VAT rate is immaterial.
If you are charging 100 an hour and the customer is paying you 120 then basically you could have charged the 120 he is willing to pay for the job if VAT did not apply to labour. VAT is an extra tax on all self-employed trades. The joke that the customer pays is technically correct but not in practice.
@@Fastandpro The residential customer DOES pay the VAT. The business charging the VAT is collecting it on behalf of HMRC. The business pays the VAT collected to HMRC. The issue is that if you're VAT registered, you have to put your prices up by 20%. Now that might cause an issue with competitiveness with other providers of the service you are providing where they are not VAT registered and don't add the VAT on to the price of a job. If the business owner doesn't want to increase the price of their work to the customer to cover that VAT, and that business/VAT registered sole trader is willing to absorb it, that's their choice. It means that the business makes less profit => Lower income for the sole trader. But the fact is, it is still the customer that is paying the VAT. And that is a legal obligation. The legal obligation is on the sole trader or business to keep a record of how much VAT they charge on their invoices to customers, to record how much VAT they pay on invoices they receive from their suppliers and calculate the difference. It is that difference which is paid to HMRC. So the reality is, the residential customer really is paying the VAT and the business is simply collecting that VAT amount and passing it on to HMRC. Not providing it to HMRC is a criminal offence. It is called tax evasion. So if you are not passing *ALL* of the VAT you charge your customers to HMRC, less the amount of VAT you pay on your supplies, then you are at risk of being prosecuted.
@@deang5622 "Now that might cause an issue with competitiveness with other providers of the service you are providing where they are not VAT registered and don't add the VAT on to the price of a job." If they are not registered for VAT they can still add 20% profit and remain competitive. They also do not need to spend the time compelling VAT returns. I have been paying VAT for 45 years would you like me to add it all up for you. Please don't get on your high horse accusing me of not paying tax because I object to not being paid to collect it. Do you pay your staff? You can see how it works out if you don't.
Did I hear that correctly. we will be paying less tax. does that include sub contractors on CSCS?
It's a tax rule, it's nothing to do with what qualifications or skills you have. It's what is called Class 4 National Insurance Contributions. If you are self employed then you will pay this tax. If you receive payslips from a company and they deduct tax from your wages then you are not in self employment and you do not pay this tax. For other scenarios, as a part time employee where you also have self employed income, consult an accountant.
Trickle and prickly
Didn’t the wind turbine engineer operate a permit to work scheme to ensure the kit was fully isolated and locked off before carrying out the work required, forgive my ignorance but it looks to me as though procedures were not in place or ignored
Issues with a safe system of work and LOTO. He probably followed it but nowt can do if it's flawed.
I cannot believe this accident ever occurred in this day and age. Lock-off and signage should’ve been in place and sign-off and handover processes should’ve been in place to in this particular industry. Shameful for all those involve in that particular workplace, I hope they all learned their lesson on this one?
Thinking of a career change and want to train as a electrician. Based in the Northwest has anyone got recommendation what qualification board is best? Is it City & Guilds?
The best way to get into the electrical trade is through the apprenticeship route, they are extremely hard to come by these days even if there is a "skill gap".
I did first do a math and physics course on GCSE, and then do it. Because level 3 is difficult if you are bad in math or basic physics, as you need to remember formulas. I had to learn the HARD way, as most schools do not care and want your money.
I'm currently revising for the Level 3 principles exam and It's quite difficult but still possible to pass with revision. @@yoyuepz
Do not become an electrician you will find having passed your lvl3 that finding anyone to support you with nvq lvl3 is nearly impossible. Unless you are already employed in the trade. There is a shortage of specialised sparks but not those who just want to pull cables.
@@RyanBennett-ub2cu If it was myself I would do GCSE Math / Physics, a refresher course, then do the distance learning Level 3 (to save money) if money is no issue then do the course, because it's trigonometry and algebra which confuses people and to remember the formula. The schools do not tell you this because they want to milk you and do not care if you fail or pass. Once you understand the theory from the Math/Physics GCSE it will make it much easier to understand the level 3. The core issue is why you find it difficult because you have a problem in GCSE math (higher tier) / Physics, due to the bad education system in the UK. It is not your fault, its the education system :)
1:04 the information here is wrong, all thats happened is the scope for Energy Saving Materials(ESM) has been expanded to include battery storage systems, and water source heat pumps and diverters. so the customer won't pay any VAT on the installation of qualifying ESM until the scheme ends in 2027, when it'll go back to 5% VAT instead of 20%
I wish I could feel a bit of that skill gap. Having put myself through training upto level 3 now wanting to do my Nvq. Unfortunately not having much luck with anyone in North Yorkshire wanting to take me on. Thank good for little jobs tiding me over.
Yeah I'm a Level 3 apprentice and my current employer is retiring soon, I don't see any skill gaps near me. (Liverpool).
Faceache has groups for sparks looking for work, had a bit off it recently
I am in the same boat mate. This is the broken pipeline mentioned by Joe.
Hi, I'm a heating installer, so can understand your sentiment, there seems to be a level of uncertainty in the construction trades regarding what will happen next year with the economy, and house building. The money in the housing market plays a big part in how much work is going on. Millions of houses are older than 25yrs and now require complete rewires plus upgrades, the work is out there, maybe the next government will provide confidence to the economy and housing market, if people have money in their pockets, generally they'll spend, on living space, renewable, and luxuries which all need sparkies!.
@Sean.D Congratulations on winning the prize
What
@@Dog-whisperer7494what?
@@jameshansing5396 what’s your fecking problem
@@jameshansing5396 last weeks challenge words
Did you hear about the electrician who died and went up to heaven? When he got to the pearly gates, Saint Peter was there and looked in his book of life and said” Ah, Mr Sparks, aged 85.” The electrician replied, “ I'm not 85, I am only 45.” Saint Peter looked at the book again and said ….. “ we have your time sheets here and they clearly show you must be at least 85”
'Prime Yourself' lol
UK Govt: Become an electrician with less tax to do more work and training for less pay Also UK Govt: Why are we running out of electricians? :O
Hey Joe, not sure if anyone will respond but im in need of some assistance or guidance. Ive been looking for an aprenticeship for about a year and have little to no luck. I was previously on an apprenticeship and during it was in the process of looking for a replacement also. However my employer let me go due to financial reasons on top of not actually teaching me anything (i was basically an underpaid labourer) is there any recorces i could use to better myself interms of finding a apprenticeship or making myself more employable? Many thanks Toby.
Ghostwriter + hedgehog
whos your counterpart for the US?
This isn’t fair; Ghostwriter Prickly Disgruntled Hedgehog
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You need to do some research, you don't HAVE to pay tax, it's a scam 😅
Ghostwriter, Prickly Disgruntled Hedgehog
I have to agree with the “gen-z” comment about the pay for electricians being an average and not significantly greater, there will always be someone to undercut the trade. If you undercut you are a traitor to the trade.
That's an immature response. It's called competition. Most businesses do it and you can't stop it. That's a product of capitalism, a free market competition. If you don't like it, go to a communist country where they have a planned economy.
I have to agree also. The effort required to become an electrician and then maintain the standard is not worth the reward in my opinion. Better off putting your efforts into a more rewarding career. I live in London and there is no skills gap here and I struggle to make a decent living even though I run my own business
Ghostwriter + prickly
Ghostwriter and prickly-hedgehog
That's 3 words. He asked for two. Listen to the question.
@@deang5622 I forgot to hyphenate, if I choose to enter 20 words then it's got nothing to do with you.
Thing is,, a lot of self employed guys I know, don't totally submit all of their earnings....
What are you suggesting a bit of cash in hand 🤚 😄
If the customer is paying cash the trades are probably undercharging. All good customers pay by credit card these days. Bad customers pay cash but want the job for peanuts. Be firm with your pricing.
@@Fastandpro Don't have a credit card and don't want one. I pay cash for everything I can, the only time I use a debit card is if I buy anything online. Don't have a smart phone, either.
@@Fastandpro "credit card" I've been in the trade for 30yrs so have most of my mates, not once have I ever heard of a credit card being used for payment 🤷♂️ Maybe it's just Welsh people
@@pauldavies7251 It could be the local banks. I used to pay 2.5% fees. That is on the bill so quite high. After a few years, I shopped around for a cheaper rate and got 1.5%, however, one bank wanted 7% on the total bill which would work out more than the net VAT sometimes and at that rate I would not offer. You can add the fee and these days EPOS bank transfers. Had a few bouncing cheques and unpaid invoices so I prefer the machine.
There ain't enough in the grid for EV chargers A relative works for the grid and there qllrwasy having issues in leister and can not fit any more as grid can not cope
While we all enjoy a joke, this is supposed to be a channel that is informative and not what some chap’s relative who ‘works at the grid’ (probably sweeping up) believes to be the case.
Gen-Z Hedgehog
Prickly, hedgehog
Hedgehog and mitts
sweeping hedgehog
Ghostwriter and Prickly
Prickly hedgehog
Ghostwriter mits
Prickly and hedgehog
We aint well paid
Ghostwriter and Disgruntled
Prickly and Disgruntled
That’s 3 words
@@jameshansing5396oh yeah 😂
Speaking of money... Is the efixx channel paying JW to not post any more videos? 😂
WOKE..ev non-sense