They Actually Updated Traits in Sims 4 - Here's What Changed!
2021 ж. 28 Нау.
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A quick news summary. EA/Maxis added some minor changes to base game traits in a way they never have before. These types of improvements need to be encouraged. So I took it upon myself to find out what is new here, and how it might benefit players of The Sims 4. Here's the news update from last week in a concise format.
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anyone else think it would be cool if "Hates Children" sims were annoyed by childish sims (of any age)?
Yesss it would be so cool
@@Kabotynka I never played the sims 3, but that sounds great. sounds like its deeply superior gameplay-wise from all I've heard.
Ooh and they can have buffs that said, "Ugh, grow up." after interaction.
@@lannisterfilth absolutely hahaha
It's rare for me to give EA credit, ESPECIALLY for traits in The Sims 4, but I'm quite impressed that the "Hates Children" trait actually makes them not want to procreate. The "Dislikes Children" trait in The Sims 3 for some reason did not prevent female sims from being happy about pregnancy, and new parents would still have positive moodlets. I know it might be a somewhat spicy subject but come on, if you went so far as to include a trait that makes a sim dislike children, it only makes sense for them to react negatively to having them!
I never thought “eww children” would make me so happy
My favourite thing I noticed is that my hate children SIM refused to feel bump and reacted negatively To a baby announcement Don't know if this is new but it made me giggle
I found it annoying that I had a sim who hated children, but it didn’t really do anything, just gave him a tense moodlet when around the children, if he talked to them he would be nice to them, which is stupid. If a person hates children, they would be mean to them, ignore them and even walk away.
@@paulinapopko8454 I forgot to say that the other traits on that sim were mean and evil, yet he was still being nice to people.
@@paulinapopko8454 exactly. People who dislike kids aren’t monsters lol
I’ve been wanting to try this one out so baaaaddd 😅😅😅
Plot twist: They hid it under EA's noses so they wouldn't butcher it but they knew the community would find it themselves.
I believe that 1,000% 🤣🤣🤣 It’s so reminiscent of when Will Wright was told by EA to remove toilets. TOILETS. He refused to stating that it wouldn’t be real life. Lol so he hid them and bam, we got them.
This is why I feel bad for the sim creators. I bet they actually would love to update to all of the customers advice and suggested features but I think it has to do w the EA company only letting them do a few things at a time. It might be in some sort of written contract they might’ve sign. Just speculating who actually knows 🤷🏽♀️
that'd be a juicy story lol a team of devs hiding from EA and slipping us bits of what we ask for and hope for a better future ;D
I believe this 100%. I don't hate the devs, I hate the the ones who they're working for.
😂 that's hilarious 🤣
I am extremely happy to have actual documentation of this because the sims team clearly did not want to talk about it.
i wonder why, it’s like the thrive off of negative feedback
@@makaylajones3673 The sims devs have a humiliation fetish confirmed
@@xcalium9346 oh my god-
Exactly!
I think they didn't want to talk about it in order to create a memory hole, so we might believe that the traits were okay all along.
Traits? Fixed? Tweaked? Has Hell frozen over?
Apparently! I don't remember them ever going over something like this when it wasn't related to some expansion launch. It needs to become a thing!
Right!!!
I can confirm, we've got blizzards down here! I think someone broke the thermostat in the not-quite-so-bottomless pit.
I mean Lil Nas X had no trouble getting to hell so I'm going to go with a no 🤣🤣🤣
Nah it’s just a flurry 😆 and I welcome it
I was worried this was going to be an ironic video. This is a good first step in making sims feel different from each other. It only took them 7 years...
Back when they announced trait improvements I, too, thought it might be another ironic video :P
EA didn't talk about what they've changed because it's probably too embarrassing to admit lol
Yeah I totally thought this would be just new emotional animations!
Fun fact my dad was approached to work on the sims 4 but turned down the opportunity as he is a website programmer not a gaming programmer but let me tell you some of this bullshit we gotta cut through would have been dealt with during production as he's such a perfectionist, he's literally obsessed with efficiency
@@pagionthevoiceless3682 most of the problems the sims 4 encounters are mostly from EA and their stingy budgets and slim deadlines tho... your dad could be an amazing and perfectionist programmer, but I doubt he’d be able to save the sims 4 from this mess without resigning or even getting fired for objecting the higher ups...
As a clumsy, handy person IRL, I appreciate that persistent clumsiness. It never goes away. 😂
I have never seen a clumsy sim trip or fall or drop anything. In fact, in my game clumsy never did anything, so im going to be watching to see how this one plays out.
Agreed, I can unfortunately relate to the sims breaking dishes since I only have one good plate left IRL, every other one is chipped 😂
@@LadyYepperz So they didn't trip over invisible pink elephants in your game? How dare they they be called clumsy, its what us clumsy people do on a regular basis. (Lol, the pink elephant reference is to Dumbo but also a joke my friends came up with because I trip over air.)
@@LadyYepperz I think they were more likely to fall off the treadmill than anything else. I have never seen a sim trip though so I hope they fixed that. I did see them drop dished while cleaning and I think drop stuff while cooking more often.
@@animehuntress9018 loolol not a single invisible pink elephant in my game.
There’s actually a reason to give Sims these traits now? Well about time😂
It's more than 6-8 to think over now. awesome.
Maybe they watched Carl's rant videos. 😄
I think the reason why no one else is covering this is because EA made it almost impossible to find unless you spend hoooooouuuurrrsss looking for it. Thank you Carl for taking the time to sift through the game play to make this video. I appreciate your dedication and love your videos and guides. See note, I've been a fan for many years and so happy to see you still post videos.:)
You mean .. people who make a living off of the game were required to actually play the game to give an informed opinion about what changes were made specifically .. and somehow that was TOO MUCH to ask of them? 🤦 Sometimes I really wonder ...
@@organicstorm yes
@@organicstorm cough Pixelade cough
He's out true MVP from the Sims community
@@organicstorm because the game is quite broad and sometimes people dont play the game in every way, it is very possible that some interactions will be overlooked. I play with more happy and cheerful sims I know VERY LITTLE about mean, or jealous sims, or sims who hate children. I wouldnt knows about the little nuances they changed. Like the sniffling because they have the gloomy trait, I never would have known that was part of the update, or that jealous sims could talk it out. I genuinley would say, "I didnt know you could do that!" Kind of like when you hit friendly interactions more than twice and there's just... 5 more options that you didnt know exsisted. All simmers play differently, so yes, it would have been nice to actually see what changes they made to the gameplay on paper rather than a bunch of "I cant tell if this was an option already or not"
The perfectionist one is the biggest shock to me. So essentially it was a useless trait until this update, besides making crafting tasks take longer
That's Sims 4 for you
Yea rip. I’ve used that trait so many times ofc it never even worked lol
It equally upsets and really amuses me that it was essentially pure placebo up until this point.
@@adronius147 Exactly! Tbh all traits are. I just pick traits to fit the character I created in my head, but they really don't change anything, it's so silly 🤣
well, to be fair, it did make the sim tense when they created something low quality lmaoooo
my good sim’s father died right in front of her and her family, but since she has a positive sentiment with her family members the sad moodlet was outweighed by her “good vibes” moodlet... like everyone was crying and she was just standing there like 🤠 😭😭😭
😆😆😆
LMAO
😂😂😂
LMFAOO PLS
fUCKINGN-- 😭😭😭
I’ve been playing with clumsy and neat sims and I’ve definitely noticed the extra cleaning, which is nice, but most importantly, my clumsy sim got a brand new laptop, first day into a new save, and she applied for college and then went to apply for a scholarship and then broke her laptop. Got a notif about her clumsy hands being the reason for the break. I tried to fix it twice and got electrocuted twice, and she was living in an apartment with gremlins, so I had to leave her electronics broken for a few days because she then got electrocuted by her stove, and I didn’t want to risk her dying. So, uh, yeah, the clumsy trait is really good now. It’s better than breaking a few dishes or tripping on the treadmill like they used to.
I wish angry Sims would break things (other than dollhouses) out of anger too. My friend literally smashed her laptop with her heel because she was enraged. That'd be funny as hell if they added animations too. 🤣
@@lannisterfilth honestly that would be cool!
@@lannisterfilth To differentiate it a little, I think it'd be cool to see Hot Headed sims occasionally destroy an item out of rage if they break it organically, although that might get annoying quick.
That's freakin' hilarious lmfao I love it.
@@lannisterfilth I'm a hot-headed kid, but I only throw things.. I also think it'd be very tiring for all hot-headed sims to break things when they will get angry constantly. I'd much prefer angry sims hurling things to the ground when enraged.
I'm especially happy that they changed the traits that just gave them moodlets. I never used them because they're pointless
Yeah those were REALLY boring traits. They are a bit better now. We need more of this. So let's tell them they did good and ask for more!
Sifting through traits that make them tense just because they didn't do something within 24 hours. 🙄
@@quepid42 preach.
I still feel like 'bookworm' is absolutely pointless! -_-
@@oxrea Right, I forget that one exists all the time
another thing with clumsy sims is that they actually slip and fall a lot when walking and they get a moodlet for it now.
Would be so cool if a modder added injuries to the game so if a clumsy sim breaks their ankle they can go to the hospital (if they have GTW downloaded) and come out on crutches or a wheel chair
@@alanna4751 nah that wouldn’t happen. Wheel chairs aren’t every gonna be in a sims game
i was playing with a clumsy sim earlier and i noticed that! somehow i didn’t connect it because she lives in brindleton bay and it’s late autumn 😭😭 thought it was just the ice on the ground...haven’t seen the moodlet though...
Clumsy sim also fall from the bunk bed if they sleep in the upper bed, and slam their head against the upper bed if they sleep in the one bellow
@@alanna4751 sims can break ankle from exercises and they can fix it with massage from spa day (foot massage) or it will fix itself after some time and before that happens your sims will be not able to exercise.
Wait people don't think seriously when they choose traits? Then, have I been doing it for nothing all this time? 😅🤣
Oh, same here-- Especially since I tend to make recreate of characters, and want to stay as true to them as possible
Me too. I like my sims to actually have a personality. Someting that The Smis 4 didn't do untill this update it seems.
What's truly shocking is that some of these changes weren't ALREADY in the game. No wonder gameplay always felt so lackluster.
The game was rushed. Wasn’t even finished when it was released 6-7 years ago. They ended up releasing it early because sims city had failed so badly so they released them sims 4 in a half assed state and early to please the shareholders. Now, imagine that.
Absolutely. This is literally how it should've been from the start. Imagine improving already fleshed out emotions like this off the bat. It could've been awesome, but it's too little too late.
5:00 "hopefully they'll continue adding on to this" sounded like this game is still in beta mode … but it has been out since like over 6 years now lol
@@MischievousMischief but it is. This game has been an open beta since the launch. It was so rushed that they had to add basic features in later patches. And now 7 later they finally fixing traits. Thats why they didnt even talk abou it in patch notes. Imagine the embaressement.
@@danielreis9263 100 agree! I was being ironic in my last comment XD it's beyond embarrassing ... maybe if they continue like this Sims 4 will FINALLY be "ready to launch" when Sims 5 will be announced 🙈
Leave it to Carl to do EA’s legwork yet again.
Right
I was gonna like your comment, but it was 666 and I didn't want to ruin it
@@imkabochan Well now it's 692 you can like it
Wait, you can actually have your sims relax again!? They won't just sit at the edge of the bed and just stare at the wall while eating a grilled cheese, wondering where their Sim life went wrong? This was one of my favorite Sims 2/3 features as it was a great way to not only kill time before bed since you could have them read or listen to music, but the cuddling aspect was great for relationships, too. It may just be the minimum for now, but I hope that they expand on it! Might even pull me back into the game!
🤣
i loved the cuddling in sims 3, hope they bring it back
This is the best Sims news I've heard in... years? 😆
4 months i think the other previous update was great.
Maybe they weren’t on commission to change this wholly, so they’re being quiet so it doesn’t look like they “wasted” their labor hours (on something that we want, and stakeholders don’t care about)? Weird that they barely mentioned this. Maybe they coded it haphazardly and don’t quite know what they did !?
I was wondering that too - could also be that it was one dev's passion project leading up to their patch and they didn't communicate it to whoever wrote the patch notes. I've known a few games where minor features that significantly boosted QoL existed because of that sort of scenario, though they were generally included in the patch notes.
Well that would be tone-deaf on their part; personality improvements has been one of the very top requests by the community since the messy release of the game
@@ivanbarrena1545 They might honestly believe most people care a lot about changes in poster colors rather than improvements to the actual game.
@@DeplorableBitterClinger We can praise these changes without dragging much needed representation. I like having art that matches the sims I’m playing with, I also like changes being made to bg to make personalities more distinct. Both can exist.
@@selwatchesyt But are they worth taking up all the patch notes? Should they be the focus of the improvements to the game? The problem the game has is that's it's flat and lifeless compared to previous versions. Now it's flat and lifeless with more options to hang on your wall, that can be easily created as custom content anyway. If they already had a great game I'd be with you, but as they seem to have limited resources to spend on improving it I'd rather they do things like add some animations and character and let the millions of people who do custom content take care of things like paintings.
Thank you Carl, the sims team let themselves down by not communicating more effectively, leaving many players baffled and confused.
Not telling everything is OK, but they definitely deflated their own release by not giving us enough info to chew on in that livestream. Ultimately, it's not going to change everything.. but the community getting them to keep this up would help a LOT with this game. They need to stop acting like they got it right the first time.
@@CarlsSimGuides I attended that stream and wondered why it wasn't even touched upon. It being the reason for my attendance. I am glad we have folks like you who ferret out the details. Thanks for your effort Carl.
@@CarlsSimGuides they really aren't good at picking who does the livestream and giving them all necessary information & preparation .. I couldn't bear to watch a full stream, and it's not because I dislike the specific devs, it's more... I also don't go gawk at traffic accidents, that's just not sth I enjoy.
It's almost like they think players care more about changing colors on some posters than actual improvements to the game.
I think they know they effed up and they just can't get many of us to buy any Packs especially us older players who've been playing since TS1 lol we won't budge cos we've been there buying packs for multiple years... they aren't giving us any incentive to buy any, so they just slipped it in there lol.
I’m glad they changed tense to scared because like why wasn’t that an emotion before loool. They way my Sims run inside during a storm is hilarious to me
Personally, I think they should have ADDED scared, instead of changing tense. You can experience both emotions, and they aren't even remotely the same. Though, thinking about it, I think they still have tense. My Sims come home from work tense, so I don't think it's gone.
@@maidenminnesota1 if you have the pack with ghosts, paranormal activity I think, it makes the change
Tbh i find it a bit annoying that every sim is scared of storms, unless you buy the stormseeker trait. I would find it better if it was randomized like the fruit cake affinity
@@maidenminnesota1 they changed the moodlets you get from certain interactions from tense to scared, but both are still in the game.
@@meechtree5795 Nope mine still get tense *and* scared lol. I have paranormal :D
I've also noticed for cheerful sims, that when sims that aren't cheerful are talking to them for a while, they get a tense trait because apparently cheerful sims are too happy to be around for an extended period of time lol
lolololol
That's hilarious... And sometimes accurate. 😅
@@namaste_charlei Sooo accurate 😂 This makes me so happy to hear about. It's those little details we've missed from the previous games.
Thanks for sharing that!
That’s perfect lmao
Feel like they didn’t overly advertise the improvements because people would immediately jump into “iT sHoUlD hAVe AlWaYs bEeN tHeRe!!!” I’m excited for every little change in the game. Hear’s hoping they continue this trend!
Good theory. My reaction to relaxing on the bed was exactly "iT sHoUlD hAvE AlWaYs bEeN tHeRE!!". That's just the default mood in the fandom right now.
Simply untrue. Look at how they were with skintones, and the ghosts/pools/toddlers update(s).
Honestly, yeah.. but it's not like the fandom can be blamed - something like the basic traits should've had a bigger gameplay impact from the beginning. Of course I'm happy it's improved now. :)
I mean, it SHOULD have been there already. Why would saying that be an issue? Y'all are odd in the way ANYTHING someone says that y'all don't like (literally anything negative) is seen as some odd hatred towards the game. People are allowed to point out negative or bad things.
@@cleigh3796 you seeing these comments fam? lol there you go
Also i noticed that gloomy sims get a positive buff when they are around ghosts because its like macabre/poetic or whatever and they like that
"Macabre/poetic or whatever" lmao
Omg now I can make my paranormal investigator sim gloomy and have there be an actual point to the trait 😭 I wanted to but it seemed pointless to just have those annoying random sad moodlets with no other consequences.
My gloomy sim also hates the windchimes and gets annoyed whenever she hears them
Oh NICE
Sadly, even EA’s marketing leaves a lot to be desired. It really shouldn’t have been so difficult to list at least a few of these examples. Thanks for giving us the actual news about this mysterious part of the update. 🙌🏾
People have been complaining of lack of depth and surprises. If they laid it all they are literally creating just that. They did in the live stream give an example and kept it vague
People should have been told traits now work. Else how should they know they actually work now? I, for once, did not believe they fixed their stuff after so many years. It's not TS3, but it's still a big thing. Someone on the team still cares!
I'll be real here most people seem cynical with the game at this point (not going to debate validity cause ppl feel what they want) I will say though that saying people would look for it being working is probably a long shot. I think most people wanted a full list to know what new to complain about with "Ok good but you could have..."
Yes! They NEED to do this more often. THIS WILL MAKE ME PLAY MORE!
I noticed something about the jealous trait. Now they don’t feel CONSTANTLY tense by the “insecure” moodlet everytime they are away from their partner.
I wonder if they didn’t talk about it in the patch notes because they were trying to keep it quiet. Like the higher ups might have ideas about improvements only being in packs, so it’s behind a pay wall... and they threw us a bone
I'd like to go with this theory. I feel bad for the devs sometimes because I feel like they get the brunt of the unhappiness from the community, but because the way EA operates some things are just out of their control.
Omg thanks, I saw NOBODY talk about this!! They only talked about bunkbeds... Damn. Priorities, I guess.
Almost everyone made it seem like the update was trash when it really wasn’t. Yeah loft beds couldn’t have a desk under them but they never promised loft beds in the first place so I wasn’t mad. I don’t really care about objects. I want to see improvements to the gameplay.
@@Roxie1255 Still disappointing TS3 still has better bunk beds and a dozen of extra features for the same price (compared on a pack by pack basis). If they can add objects, they can at least do it well so there is no need to fix them later. Welp, at least now we've got actual traits!
Nobody could talk about an update it took several days of gameplay hours to figure out. Remember even EA didn’t break down these improvements. So expecting pple who have valid issues with the game to work harder to positively promote this update than the paid EA team seems a little unfair.
Seriously who cares about bunk beds these personality updates are about the only thing that interest me now because bunk beds sure wont get me playing
Thank you so much for this! I’ve been watching so many simmer videos about the new update and have yet to find anyone who actually goes over the traits update. Just talking about bunk beds 🤦🏻♀️
I’m not sure if they added to the non-committal trait or not, but I’ve been finding sims with that trait don’t wanna try for baby with my sims? I’ve been doing a 100 babies challenge and maybe I’m doing something wrong but it’s been a thing that’s never happened before this update, at least, to me.
Maybe? I mean, having and taking care of a child is a commitment. But I wouldn't know, these days I only play TS3.
I think I heard from another KZhead update video that this is true. I’m not 100% sure though
I’m having the same problem!
Ooo if that’s so that’s good
Same, no non commital sims will try for a baby (at least none of the ones I've interacted with)
thank you for actually detailing the changes. from how the sims team described it, it sounded like it was just minor buff additions.
They are still fairly minor but the precedent it could set is HUGE. They never improve stuff after the fact, and their decisions on other things have been questionable at best (gardening, environment buffs, fishing). This time it was mostly just good ideas.
Oh wow these are some VERY welcome updates ☺️ Wonder why they didn’t hype up the changes?? It’s not like them to not do so...
It's baffling, isn't it! (Maybe they were embarrassed about the perfectionist thing?)
Sims have more personality now!? well that only took 7 years.
traits are one of the most useless things in sims 4. i forget they exist except when i create a sim. in the sims 3 i would carefully choose them because their whole life would be affected by something that seems small such as heavy sleeper
I feel like they didn't advertise this as much because of the backlash online they would get. Yes, I'm 100% serous. On some fan sites even when EA does something good some people are like "Why are they making this a big deal when other games had it" etc.
oh yeah they’re fully damned if they do, damned if they don’t
@@mrsb50 I don't think that's completely accurate or fair. I understand if you used that phrase if ea was a company that was truly trying to make things right with s4 (yet still getting hate). That's not the case here. They continue to release sub par content knowing full well what the issues are and how many players feel. They know this & still give measly food scraps. So every once in awhile when they decide to "actually" deliver, it's not fair to expect everyone to clap over it. What if your grocery store constantly sold expired & stale food. They have the choice to sell appropriate food, but simply don't bc they know customers have nowhere else to go for their food so they continue to sell crap (same as s4). But every blue moon they decide to do the right thing with a weekend sale of non-moldy & non-stale food. Customers should 'give them props' for that? It would be diff if for some reason the store couldn't, or maybe always TRIED selling good food but for reasons failed. That would garner more empathy. But no, ea is like the grocery that CAN sell good food but just refuses to. That's why they don't get an applause when they finally deliver on the product they promised. Bc they are shysters. It's good to admit when content is good, but I understand why many players don't go out of their way to give a standing ovation on the rare occasion that ea does a "good thing" Bc ea clearly doesn't care about the players, so why is there an expectation for players to show appreciation for a product that is often a dud? A dud product ea is happy to profit off...
I feel like many of the problems regarding the old traits revolve around one thing: the excessive use of emotion. Most traits revolve around giving you a certain emotion when certain thing happens, and while that's ok, it makes up for lackluster personality. Because it basically makes all traits glorified moodlets, giving them almost no substance. There's no difference between someone who's hot headed and a person that just happens to be angry, they are the same emotion, same animations, same interactions, nothing different. Most traits don't give anything that's EXCLUSIVE to a certain person
Hi Carl! Clumsy Sims now have a trip animation while walking sometimes.
I saw it in the code but was afraid it was just the same old buff. I'm so glad they actually trip now. that's cool!
@@CarlsSimGuides No, it is a route event, which means they will actually do it! According to the code, it is affected by the energy need and it only happens outside. It's a really great detail. You can easily spot clumsy Sims now.
They had it before, but it wasn't frequent.
@@BonaparteBardithion No, it wasn't there. It's a new piece of code. It refers a whole new animation.
Just had an idea on fixing the emotions system: instead of it being based on moodlet weight, have it based on a priority system (i.e a death moodlet is considered higher priority versus the well-decorated). Each moodlet would be rated on priority based on other similar moodlets (comfortable furniture and well-decorated would be of similar priority level). The moodlet of the highest priority would become the main mood of the sim and all moodlets of the same emotion would be bumped up to the same level to boost the emotion (kinda like having a crappy day snowballs into an awful day). This way, emotions are much more stable and you don't end up with happy sims from a well-decorated environment despite having just lost a family member. I sincerely doubt EA would do this since they requires a MASSIVE overhaul (and they know all custom traits would pretty much be broken, exposing the bareness of their own traits even after the update) but I think it would be a decent way to handle emotions. Haven't heard many other ideas anyways
More stable isn't necessarily more realistic or more interesting or enjoyable .. I think they just need to start improving the system *somewhere* at all. E.g., I think it would be unrealistic and annoying to play if sad moodlets overpowered everything else for its whole duration, esp since the sad buffs from beloved spouse, own child, close friends and mere acquaintances dying is *literally* the same length .. well, it was last time I played vanilla. I saw some Sims weren't affected by acquaintances dying at all last time I played and I don't remember installing a mod that does that, so *maybe* they fixed that too. .. I don't like testing for death moodlets though, so I won't investigate this immediately 🤷
@@organicstorm agreed, I don’t feel like being sad all the time after a death is necessarily more realistic or better because, for example, doing something that’s more engaging, you would be able to take you mind off the death for some time. this can happen as moodlets, if strong enough, would change mood for their duration and most weren’t as strong as the death moodlet. What I think could be more interesting is utilizing the new sentiment system to base how much a death would impact someone, say that the moodlet have now but every positive sentiment we had with that person would increase the severity and or duration of the death moodlet, and maybe the opposite to an extent for negative moodlets. This way people you were close to and adored would really be difficult to get past their loss which I feel could be more realistic.
@Plumbobby um, not sure what this question is supposed to be about, as I said I didn't have mods that specifically influence moodlets at all .. I do use the "UI cheats extensions" mod to combat silly (my opinion) moodlets that come from broken game mechanics such as random sentiments .. 😅
I'm actually very impressed by this update. I'm very excited to implement the clumsy trait to my Simself. Thank you for covering this and hope someday Maxis/EA/Whoever documents this in the future.
Thanks for actually being fair and giving them credit even if you don’t always agree or like the direction they are going in. I was actually happy about the update. I was hoping you did a review on this. So many people harped over loft beds and not being able to put a desk under it 🙄 that no one even discussed the good stuff that they did. Don’t get me wrong I’m not team maxis or team EA, they still have a ton of work to do but as you mentioned I’m not going to just 💩 on them and ignore when they actually make an effort to try to make improvements to the game.
I think the focus was more on loft beds bc even the ea stream didn’t go into the changes in personality traits and it even took this creator many game hours to figure out the personality changes himself.
I’m happy there are bunk beds (yay!!!) but very disappointed about the loft bed lack of desk placement issue because then what is the point of them? You win some, you lose some I guess.
@@natalyaporter5730 I can understand the frustration. I guess since I would only use the loft beds to place toddler beds it doesn’t bother me. Hopefully it is fixed at some point though. I’m sure if has to do with EA not wanting to give us too much free stuff.
hard to discuss the good stuff when they barely discussed it themselves. everything mentioned about the trait update was very vague and barely touched on in the livestream and notes. can’t blame people for assuming it was just another hollow update when they have a track record of such. also without them stating clearly what was improved on and how, most people won’t notice or put two and two together anyway unless they see a video like this.
I feel like Carl is the only one who did the groundwork and tested the traits, as with other reviewers just wanted to be the first one to report about the changes but clearly didn’t do their homework because according to a couple of Sims reviewers, they claimed the trait system was still broken and this is why to me, Carl’s reviews are the only ones that matter. He’s very thorough in his assessments.
Six years to add basic features that should've been included with their advertised 'emotional' sims, proud of the sims team, they finally did it. I'm aware this attitude is a damned if they do, damned if they don't but I don't know, creeping up on seven years is tiring and disappointing.
Exactly, I’m not giving them a pat on the back for fixing features that were literally the selling point of the original 7 year old game
@@LifeOfTheAngels A lovely example they've given us for why I'll never oppose piracy in regards to the sims 4. Can't even give us the changes they made to the GAME they're selling us in the patch notes. $800AUD+ isn't worth what we're getting in terms of gameplay and transparency from the developers -- I stopped buying packs at Journey to Batuu and went back to the sims 3 after patching it :)
It’s a decent step in a good direction, hopefully the people over at Maxis sees the positive reactions to this and that’ll get their spirits up!
I hope so too 🥰
I'm shocked these "changes" didn't exist before, no wonder they dont talk about it. Must be embarrassing to say these things weren't in the game before lmao
Thank you, someone finally said the reason: embarrassment.
I mean yeah how you can program a bookworm trait into a sim game and not having the sim getting more fun from books 🤦🏻
I swear my romantic sim has been kissing his husband autonomously more often
Same! I actually noticed watching my boyfriend play. He was complaining about his couple autonomously wanting to kiss and I was like, wait... they never do anything autonomously that actually makes sense. This is great. 🤣
YEAH!!! its such a cool patch. also i find they get tense more often when they havent shown affection in a while. but they then solve it by themselves which is cool! i only like when sims make decisions that make sense.
Mines been doing a little bit more than that, autonomously, adding mods ofc....😂😂😂🤭🤫
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@@moudahaddad1484 who are you correcting?
it really shows how i feel when 30 seconds into this I'm hearing "they actually changed traits for the better" and i'm thinking "okay but i'm sure whatever it is I don't believe you, there's no way they'd actually pull that off". I place my hope in you carl, to heal my sims 4 wounds and help me hope again
I just wish the relax option on beds was on the murphy beds
Yet another thing they added but never completed... Meanwhile my Sims 3 has sims well relaxed on beds: wife reading and husband watching TV before chatting and woohoo. While their teen is in another room, daydreaming on his bed before sleep. Mood.
I wish they could actually do something while relaxing, like read a book or talk. But no, they can only watch TV.
@@TheMissileHappy Go play Sims 3 then where they can do all that :)
This was the one change that I was most excited for, can’t wait until modders get ahold of it and improve it
@@PearlRoses630 We paid for sims relaxing on beds. It is inexcusable that instead of moving the franchise forward, EA gets our money on this game which is missing a lot of features and then when they finally do add something it is incomplete. As said, sims properly relaxing on beds is something we paid for, and something prior games already have. No modders should be needed.
you sound so happy!
He does! It’s nice to hear.
I fully agree, if they made all these changes, why not specifically say what they did? The only one I found on my own was the "Hates children" one (I was testing out a build with my created Animaniacs family: Yakko, Wakko, Dot, Hello Nurse and Dr. Scratchansniff).
Thank you for actually finding and presenting the info on this. This is actually better than I expected. I just do not understand why they tried to bury it.
Time to make some cheerful Sims 😂. I love that traits have an update (and makes me want to pick some of the “bad” traits)
Maybe they didn't document it as it would be admitting they haven't worked since the game first came out
Exactly. You can't admit incompetence...oh the SHAME of it all!!!! 🤣🙊👀
This is very good I only hope they do not stop there. I especially want better kleptomaniac traits. IMO this and the erratic trait should bring the most drama to the game but I think they lack the most. I am really hoping they continue to better these traits!
I really hope they continue to fix traits as well traits have always been one of Sims 4 biggest downfalls they're still not great but we will see a little personality now. I just hope if they continue to fix them that they find the budget to make some of these traits new animations and not continue to reuse everything making it all look the same.
Wow, thanks for informing us! I never noticed these things honestly.
I think some of these changes have been there for about a month now. For example the clumsy trait causing sims to break dishes, this was constantly happening to my sim and it got to the point that I had to stop letting her wash up, because she accumulating a very unhealthy collection of food piles in her inventory lol
Sorry I misled there. It's probably something clumsy sims did before, it is just that I can only really show one break something a couple times without being repetitive. Its mainly about things like sinks, video game consoles, PCs, but handiness offsetting it - which is new.
@@CarlsSimGuides also, the breakthrough during taking a shower was a thing from before because I started playing the scientist career after the paranormal stuff patch and I remember my Jealous sim had one. I dont remember if my sim is a genius.
@@samd8872 I've had this too many years ago but he was a genius
@ I checked and my sim is Jelous, hot headed and kleptomaniac
I was working with a neat sim once and she literally started cleaning a table, she was in the pub in britechester
I kinda like it though ✨ neat freak has a whole new definition in this game
My mom would always wipe the table at fast food places before sitting if it had crumbs or sauce on it, so I can get behind that kind of realism.
As a neat freak, I can confirm doing the waiter's job whenever I go out to eat. 🤣
Thank you Maxis, I'm actually proud. Now if we can keep this streak going...
Yes, TY Maxis now make it a thing and we will be much more excited about what you're doing.
Last time I was this early ghosts still weren't in the game.
It's good to see you're as even handed as usual Carl.
Thanks for telling us Carl. :) I have resorted to always playing with the same few traits, so I probably wouldn't have noticed, if you didn't make a video about it.
Glad to help!
Absolutely same. The small handful that are semi-useful/not irritating.
Just watched some of your videos about the issue with the lack of traits as a new sim player, and then you uploaded this!
My last video I made is "why it won't get better" because their pattern is to not do things like this. I won't take it all back, but I'd sure as hell love to.
Commenting for the algorithm bc your video is blowing up yay👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
You're damn right it is, and thanks to people like you. This is awesome. I was late to the news and end up with my best video ever.
@@CarlsSimGuides Oh right, comments! I always forget about comments and I'm mostly a lurker. Well then, comment comment comment! More seriously, yours are the only Sims4 videos I watch, and pretty much the only Sims4 info I look for. I don't play anymore and I'm not sure that will change, but this... this gives me *some* hope. Not much, but some.
Holy moly, a video covering the updated traits! I mean, yeah, Sims Team shoulda covered it already, but everyone else was all "They did nothing!" and I wondered if they even paid attention or even tried to check for themselves... 👀
A lot of people didn't bother I guess I understand why, I get why people are frustrated But I do wish more people had actually gone in the game before writing off this part of the update entirely
@@elizabethb4168 I don't think it's fair to say that folks who buy the game should look for these new and might I say small improvements. The Sims team come out with a long list of all the bug fixes they do every patch and they should have done the same with the traits update. It wouldn't have been any work for them since they "should" have documentation of all the changes they made. Personally I think they should have done a live stream showcasing all these changes 🤷♂️
@@LaceLeatherFeathers I never said that they should look for them, but I do think that you should get verification before making the claim A lot of people were claiming that they did absolutely nothing without even going into the game to see, which isn't really fair They listed every trait that they made additions to and mentioned reactions, they didn't point out every little detail and change though, that's pretty usual for their updates/patch notes There's nothing wrong with people not wanting to look for something, there's nothing wrong with people being frustrated and done with the game, but I don't think it's fair for those people to say that they didn't change anything even they didn't even open the game to see
They didn't. Didn't even try. 🤷 But complain the devs "don't try" ..
@@elizabethb4168 agreed 100%!
Getting Eureka Moments in the shower has always been a thing though...
That’s what I thought too
Maybe they get them more often now, is what Carl means?
I've played this game for years, and never saw this after this update so they definitely improved on frequency or something
@@dundee6402 Interesting, I've only played that career once and my sim was a genius and I got the shower breakthrough moments a lot.
It was only a thing when they worked as a scientist in the lab, as Get to Work added to the game
I'll give credit where credit is due. It's good they FINALLY did something to traits, but I found it weird that they didn't highlight them, at all, knowing this would be the one thing that would make a lot of simmers happy. Like, why highlight stuff that barely matters, but not this?
Oooh, so happy about the traits getting updated a bit!! Thank you for covering it! My only worry is updating my game and finding that all my custom traits are broken-
I found that when Paranormal came out. My custom traits meant I couldn't see the new ones.
That makes so much sense! I loaded up the game today to play my Bachelor challenge and was surprised at some of the new stuff, I just thought I was slow and missed it lol
as soon as i read that update and the lack of info i was thinking about carl's future video explaining everything lol! i noticed little changes playing and was very happy about it.. really hope this means they are working on other things we have been talking about for ages.
Speeding up eating & drinking is worth an update all on its own tbh
Thank you for figuring it out!!! ♥️I was shook they didn't tell us during live stream
THANK YOU! I've been searching for an in depth description of the trait changes they made. You are awesome for doing the work.
I'm glad somebody actually covered this, I was really frustrated that everybody wrote it off because they didn't detail everything in the patch notes instead of actually looking in the game to check for changes
I remember in the sims 2, you couldn't just try for baby after a first kiss. You had to have a higher romance level, had to be a s/o and had to relax abd cuddle on the bed before so, so I was very excited when I saw the relax😂
I think the required romance level for Woohoo and Try for Baby is lower in certain other locations. I was playing it a little while ago and I think I talked a date into a photo booth pretty easily. Sims 2 had more restrictions on sharing a bed in general.
@@BonaparteBardithion yea. Which I loved (it would be a nightmare for the 100 bby challenge, but it would be more realistic)
Sims3, i'd use the relax interaction, call the SO to cuddle, and use that as a faster way to woohoo. Otherwise they'd have to queue multiple romantic interactions until the conversation type got to irresistible and i didn't always have time for that
I appreciate you making this video bc i was curious as to how the traits changed. The paragraph that talked about it was just listing the changed traits. And that took about half the paragraph!
Thanks for the updated information Carl! Always the best channel to go to for detailed updates and/or changes. 👍🏻
Awesome, thanks for breaking down what changed!! 😊
This sorta unique behaviours should’ve been in the base game in 2014. I can’t believe this game is over 6 years old already and still needs much improvement
Thanks for going over all this! I was super confused as to what the trait improvements were, but now I know!
Thank you! As soon as I heard about the update, and watched a few videos and saw no one how traits had been updated, that you’d have our backs. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Thank you for going in-depth about the trait changes, I was very curious about them! I wonder if maybe they wanted to keep the changes unexplained because they thought it would be more exciting for players to discover them through gameplay? Regardless, I am incredibly impressed by the sheer volume of changes they made and the fact that they all seem great. I also want to say that I respect you a lot for being the type of person who isn’t afraid to give criticism but also gives credit where credit is due. Thanks for being a voice of reason in the community!
I-is this an early April Fool's joke or did EA really listen to us....?
Hah watch them remove all the improvements on april 2nd and say april fool's you actually thought we improved something.😄
@@briwanderz stop ✋
THANK YOU! I was waiting for some clarity on what the traits update actually contained. Really appreciate all the work you do!
Thank you for this Carl! So glad you (and we) have something to be happy about :)
Holy cow! No wonder my sim who’d cheated on his girlfriend “weeks earlier” in game, confessed about it without me prompting him to do so. And wow did it blow up between them. Even better was them being able to talk it down. I thought it was one of the emotion mods that did this, turns out Maxis actually did something useful. Though a little warning might have been nice.
Mean sims being mean? Gloomy sims being gloomy? It’s a Christmas miracle!
It’s a bloody Pissmass miracle!
Thank you for this! I had wondered and tried to notice the changes, but now I know, thanks to you!
Thanks for the video! Improving trait depth is a wonderful starting pointing for improving game play. Thrilled to see this.
i noted a while ago that they changed the "Clean" action to "Polish to Perfection" for some and "Clean Lightly" for others. do you know if there is a difference? either between these actions? or between the old "Clean" and the two new variants? THANKS!!
You are a godsend! Thank you!
Thanks for going over this - I had really been wondering what the changes were!
You came in and did the real research 🙌🏾 You are appreciated, thank you!!
I think it's pretty obvious they didn't say anything to create the illusion that they were fine all along. Also they took YEARS for something they should be there at launch.
Sweeet!!! I noticed the change after a reaction to a jump scare and thought it was from a recent update to one of roBurky's MODS. Maxis should have a Patreon page if they keep modding roBurky's work. Wait, who running The Sims again??
I was very curious to know the changes to the traits. But I also knew that you were going to dig them for us. I just waited for you. Thank you for your time and effort Carl.
Wow, thank you for taking the time figuring out all those changes!
Me casually playing after the update: Outgoing sim literally going up to all sims on lot autonomously. Logical sims: OMG IS THAT A CHESS BOARD?
I haven't downloaded the patch yet so I don't know if this has changed, but I feel like the unflirty trait needs a similar update too. Like they do get negative moodlets from too much romance/get embarrassed by PDA and they can tell off sims for showing PDA but their romantic interactions have different names like awkwardly~ or ineptly ~ kiss/hug etc can't remember verbatim, yet the animations are the exact same as any other sim which is so boring. It would be more fun if their kisses, hugs or flirtation attempts actually looked more awkward etc and failed more often if they tried..
Similar to trying to get a shy Sim to socialize in Sims 2. They'd walk up and just kind of mumble.
Thanks for sharing this! Ive been looking everywhere for a review of the traits update but couldn't find what exactly had gotten fixed
I have to say, i was looking for your video, This is the BEST review of the patch so far, thank you for your content, excelent quality