Should You Ever Replace Your Transmission Filter?
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In this video I share my opinion on whether or not you should change your transmission filter as part of routine maintenance. It always sparks a good discussion!
In this video I share my opinion on whether or not you should change your transmission filter as part of routine maintenance. It always sparks a good discussion!
Filters wear out. Heat, pressure and time damage the filter. Change the filter
Absolutely
There is no pressure in a typical transmission filter
No pressure it’s vacuum, but it’s implied. Change the filter.
I'd change it after the first fluid change, maybe not the second
@@user-sf7kl9uh7kNow that makes sense,never listen to the dealership they could care less.
That filter is to the cooler. If you don't change it, you will overheat the transmission eventually. In fact I came across a garage that apparently thinks the way you do. The result was the cvt overheating and going into safe mode because they wouldn't change the filter. I started doing my own cvt fluid changes after that. After I had that filter changed, no more overheating cvt. Why does that filter need replacing? The fluid breaks down from the engine heat and hence why the fluid has to be changed. Also the transmission has wear just like the engine does. The older the fluid the more wear that occurs. That filter is there to filter out small metal particles and to keep them from clogging up the transmission cooler. The filter can only hold so much and must be replaced or else the fluid flowing through there gets restricted. There are also one or two magnets in the transmission pan that need to be cleaned of the metal particles when the fluid is changed.
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That's a CVT, completely different maintenance needed.
My 2020 Toyota Corolla XSE CVT doesn't even have a pan that you can remove. You can only drain the fluid.
Every single metal-on-metal surface or clutch/band assembly constantly produces microscopic pieces which break down with every single revolution of the gears. Those pieces eventually clump together and form varnishes due to the heat. That varnish clogs the filter, and reduces the line-pressure of the transmission slowly over time. I still believe in the old rule-of-thumb. Change the fluid and filter once at 30,000 miles to remove the initial break-in wear, then change the fluid and filter every 60,000 miles thereafter. The amount you're spending on a filter and fluid is far cheaper than having to buy a new transmission because it was not maintained.
Perfect! Good advice
Will washing or cleaning a filter work then?
I know right! So we are listening to a guy who blew his transmission talk about why you shouldn’t change the filter ? 🤷🏼♂️🤣
Who said this was my transmission? I rebuild transmissions. It makes for a good discussion.
@@PetesGarageandperformance anyone who works on transmissions for a living should know that it is an important part of vehicle maintenance. Not as often as oil but almost every vehicle has it in there maintenance schedule. Every 30-50k miles transmission fluid change and filter change is to be done. You are making videos on something saying you don’t need to do it when every car manufacturer in the world says it is routine Maintenance and SHOULD be done at a certain mileage..
Change those transmission filters between 60k to 90k depending on how hard you drive, weight you haul or trailer towing. Clean the trans oil pan. I have seen trans filters plug up & damage transmission. Transmissions are very, very expensive to replace & usually not as good as the original. The transmission is the most expensive part of your vehicle & will leave you stranded needing a tow, costing you over $5000, so if you want to be sure it last forever, install a transmission cooler & change the filter. Heat is what destroys 90+% of transmissions. Dirty filter will starve fluid pressure causing clutches to slip & destroy the transmission.
I agree. Beep, beep.
How often should you replace the transmission cooler
@@Pwn3540 I said "install a transmission cooler", not replace often. Most vehicles, especially ones loaded or pulling trailer or driven in hot weather, need an extra transmission cooler. Ask any good transmission rebuilder and they will tell you that heat is what destroys 90+% of transmissions. Modern full synthetic trans fluids don't wear out, they just get contaminated with clutch material that will clog your filter & destroy your transmission.
I think it’s a good idea to change a transmission filter because of the metal from the break in period.
Is not good
Facts....because it builds up
The first time you change it yes
Wouldn't the magnet capture the break in metal?
@@chetcreates Not all of it. The very fine metal that gets by the filter ends up on the magnet. The bigger pieces on the filter screen.
The filters get clogged from clutch material and the fibers break down over time unless the filter is a metal mesh. . It felt the same with fluid change only. After the filter change, transmission felt smoother.
The filter can get dirt from the dip stick tubing, or a leaky hose, seal, or gasket. Plus the clutch material and possibly metal.
On old but well functioning transmissions the pan usually has a coating of viscous dark material and so does the filter. It seems probable that this is from the clutch and band coatings due to normal wear. Is it possible that new fluid with additives at full strength can resuspend some of the finer particles and circulate them? Then cleaning the pan and a metal screen type filter in solvent seems likely to remove most of it and lessen the wear, since these are the lowest points.
Interesting! My 2008 HHR user manual footnote 'h' says "Change automatic transmission fluid and filter if the vehicle is mainly driven under one or more of these conditions: (1) in heavy city traffic where the outside temperature regularly reaches 90F (32C) or higher. (2) in hilly or mountainous terrain (3) when doing frequent trailer towing (4) uses such as found in taxi, police, or deliver service. It also qualifies this maintenance task as a 50k, 100k, and 150k "severe service only" task.
Thank you for your comments. I just bought a 2019 Frontier with 43,000 miles and was curious about changing the trans fluid.
Found this video just b4 buying a trans filter and fluid, have a 05 ford focus not sure if filter was ever changed had it for 10 years just did a fluid flush had rough shifting when I bought it but haven't had any issues
Changing the transmission filter can cost over $300 in labor, parts, and new ATF. If you change the filter and fluid yourself, it's a more cost effective measure. Changing the Transmission Filter is cost effective insurance compared to paying a mechanic to rebuild or replace a spent transmission. On my 2006 Siena and my daughter's 2002 Camry, I have to unscrew the left engine/transmission mount and rock the engine upward, with a bottle jack, to access the transmission drain pan screws to get to the transmission filter. It's not a quickie job for a mechanic so, to avoid paying for the labor involved, I do it myself.
interesting video Pete ty for sharing. I've got a transmission oil change due and will be replacing my stock pan with a Mag Hytec aluminum deep pan. it will add about 3 quarts over stock. along with keeping it cooler the Mag Hytec has a drain plug which i really enjoyed using on a 99 Dodge turbo diesel i had. change the filter if u want don't change up to you. I'll be changing mine this time but probably won't in the future. what i don't recommend is a complete flush of an older transmission if you have not routinely flushed it in the past. I've heard some horror stories about people that had slippage problems right after doing a flush. QUESTION FOR ANYONE OUT THERE: I've been told the trucks transmission has to be jacked up in order to get to some bolts on the pan. i have a 95 Chevy 1500 4x4 and a 95 GMC 2 wheel drive. do the transmissions in these trucks have to be jacked up to change pan??? thanks!
Thank you, I think that is a very valid point.
I came across due to inquisition regarding the necessity to change AT filter. 2009 focus has no drain bolt so ATF goes everywhere when pan is dropped. This is the sole reason I am wanting to avoid changing the filter, otherwise I would not care whatsoever. I will tap into the return line and drain as I fill 1 gallon at a time. I also wondered what would contaminate the filter requiring a replacement. Great video. Thank you!
Well as someone that has his truck in the shop at the moment because of a plugged-up filter, and though I do agree with you that if your filter is plugged up that there is a worse problem changing it once a year may help delay the inevitable.
Pete, I completely agree with your logic. In my case, changing the filter in my C4's automatic is what actually killed it. My fault 100%. I didn't remove the old O ring before installing the new filter. I think I damaged it while trying to dig it out. That allowed air to be sucked into the trans fluid. After doing a 1/4 mile run, the trans started slipping real bad. The first thing I did was pull the dip stick. The trans fluid was loaded with little air bubbles. After letting it sit for an hour, the trans started working normally again. But, the damage was done. Under certain high throttle operations, the trans would slip and not upshift. In hindsight, I should have never messed with the original filter. Now, in my 96 Impala SS and my 2003 C5 Vette, I leave the trans filters alone. The trans in my Impala made it to 270,000 miles before I had it replaced.
It wasnt changing the filter that caused your problems with your trans. You made a mistake not the filter .... mechanics error.
thanks for sharing. The dealer tech put the rebuild flush amount of oil back into the transmission after a pan drop. I had several EXTRA quarts and also had tons of air bubbles and burnt smell. I did a trans flush after that and they confirmed what I had seen at the dip stick - several extra quarts of oil from the Dealer pan drop, filter change! My transmission failed soon after the flush but it was definitely caused by the dealer tech error. Since the transmission had the rated 275K miles on it and I was just trying to extend the life of the transmission I didn't pursue the dealer error. But your story confirms that as you say, "the damage was already done." I got a rebuilt transmission - for a few thousand dollars. They put in new cooler lines also though at my request. I'm now 10K miles later and so figuring out if I should change out the filter myself...or do a flush before the fluid gets burnt without changing the filter at first...hmm.
Thanks for the thought provoking points! I went to the Toyota dealership today and I asked for a trans filter and the guy said there’s no need to change it because it’s a mesh screen.. that part didn’t make sense to me but I took his advice anyways and your video helped clarify my questions. Between you and the Toyota guy you saved me a lot of extra time and money. Thanks man!
The Dealership wants to buy a new Transmission
@@dalebenson1230 what do you mean?
@@MrSsandwichman69 Explain your answer/question
@C Diddy Since you own a Toyota, please be sure to watch these videos and make your own assessment. The guy's a Toyota Master Technician, worked at a dealership for 10yrs, recently cut ties and opened his own independent shop. I'm pretty confident his videos will provide answers/knowledge you're desperately seeking... just hope you haven't already damaged the transmission. dBronco kzhead.info/sun/h8mve5Gtaqihq2w/bejne.html kzhead.info/sun/mLaxg9lsZGalnac/bejne.html kzhead.info/sun/gq6TfLGBo2iOg6c/bejne.html kzhead.info/sun/h66hdqWvfahjgmg/bejne.html (proof the guy is a mechanic)
With Toyotas sealed tranny you only drain a small amount every tranny change. That's how they are designed. So it blends new with old. There is still quite a bit in there. If you were to do a complete drain with tranny out you may run into issues. A tranny with mileage on it needs particles in the fluid as they wear. No particles = slipping... That's why if you have 150,000 miles on it - your better off leaving it & expect it to need tranny at 200-250,000 miles or sooner. Change it every 30,000 miles (like 4 quarts & do the overflow drain) you may get 400-600,000 miles or more out of that tranny. Do not trust dealership. They want tranny to go bad
Very sound logic and nicely explained. I'm a big fan of a common sense approach to anything.
I appreciate your advice. Makes complete sense. You have relieved my worry about my 4L30e transmission with over 165K. I never replaced the transmission filter and I am never intending to have the filter replaced. My only routine maintenance is to periodically partially drain and fill with new ATF. * I am worried about clutches wearing out and I suppose a new filter is not gonna gonna effect the future wear.
If it shifts ok now. There probably isn’t anything to worry about. If the clutches wear out, it was probably just time. No filter change is going to affect the wear on the clutches.
@@PetesGarageandperformancebut filter change will prevent filter from clogging up....right???? A clog tranny filter is no good either....
@prandomable clogging up with what? If it clogs with metal or clutch material, the transmission needs rebuilt anyway.
@@PetesGarageandperformance I'm no transmission expert. But wouldn't the tranny fluid filter clean the dirty old tranny fluid like how an engine oil filter cleans the contaminate of the engine oil??? I guess it is a fallacy and misconception....that is not how tranny fluid filter works right?
Thanks bro!! Makes perfect sense now that you've explained it.👍
Depends on the vehicle. Some cars are easy and cheap. Like my Infiniti G35, the filter is right underneath the drain pan and cost about $10. So if you have high miles and your removing the drain pan, might as well change it while your at it. Others might not be necessary unless your rebuilding due to the filters location.
If you're already need to remove the transmission pan like to replace a damaged pan or leaking gasket, otherwise you just created a bunch of additional labor for yourself as now you need to replace a gasket and remove and retorque a couple dozen additional bolts that you otherwise didn't need to touch.
*_Going to be changing out my 91 Toyota Pickup transmission filter. Still has the original one and my dad already bought the new filter. Might as well since im going to be serviging the transmission with new fluid 😂_*
I took my car to get the trans fluid changed on a CVT- drives great, and was told I needed a new transmission.
They need a new mechanic.
Draining and then re-adding fluids in mine for preventative maintenance. So figured it would be best change the filter anyway since opening the pan and draining fluid. Going back with Doorman pan with a drain plug. 05 5.4 f150 automatic. Which filter do you recommend? Wix or Motorcraft?
What about on the CVT transmission? How often should i change that transmission filter?
I do agree you probably don't have to change it near as often as other filters, I'd think after two fluid changes you should definitely replace it. They say fluid lasts 60k miles yet I don't think I've gone over 10k on a fluid flush and it's already discolored to the point I need to change it again. ATF may not be subject to fuels and the like but it still gets hot specially in the summer and breaks down and the more it breaks down, the ability to dissipate heat and lubricate lessens and thus more wear on the parts.
Good discussion point: I'd change first filter (wear-in) and then later in the 100k+ mileage if the fluid is showing unusual browning or burnt signs
Agreed. Just replaced trans fluid in my 2005 camry. Drop the pan, pull of screen, ( it's not a filter ), clean pan, filter with alcohol.
I never replaced my transmission oil & still working good with 300k f150 lariat truck I only change motor oil cabin filter air filter or you think if I change the transmission oil it will broken what you recommend ? Thanks for your videos peters garage
Interesting since I'm not a mechanic. Thanks for the info. Quite helpful.
I own a 2013 MKX AWD with 200,000 miles and we just had transmission fluid changed for the 3rd time leaving the factory filter untouched, 1st change was 150,000 miles so I believe you are 100% correct. Now we purchased this MKX @ 80,000 miles and I'm a bit of a maintenance person, but the mechanic who did the change also agrees with you. Also had an issue with the PTU on the same car so to stop the vibration we had a new PTU installed but this time I used High temp fluid, are there parts available to rebuild the factory PTU? Thank You Randy
You can get it out of the torque converter you just keep filling running and dropping it takes about 15qts to completely get everything out of the converter maybe even alittle more they used to have drain plugs on some torque converters not anymore though. I still change my trans filters every 60 thousand but I see your point. I just rebuilt a 4l60e too, the new stuff is taking all the fun out on working on automotive.
The transmission is still metal on metal contact, it doesnt have to be a catastrophic amount of metal that comes off. You still have to change the filter, since you only need to change your transmission fluid every ~ 60k miles, its not that big of an issue to spend $70 on a new filter. If there was a catastrophic failure, the filter is as reduntant as the bolts holding the fluid pan. youll need 2k for a new trans, however if you dont change your filter and those metal pieces make their way back into the transmission, that could potentially be the CAUSE of the catastrophic failure. Again, you dont change your transmission fluid that often as engine oil because theres no need, so it shouldnt be a point of saving money since the spacing between when you do it is fairly large
I agree that if you are into the transmission that you should change the filter. But you don’t need to drop the pan on most transmissions to change the fluid. They either have a drain or you can use a fluid exchange machine using the cooler lines (my prefers method). When I worked at the dealership we had two options: just a fluid flush with the machine, or drop the pan to change the filter and then do a machine flush. It usually would cost an extra $80-$100 to do the pan drop and filter. They don’t put a filter on manual transmissions or differentials. All they use is a magnet to catch debris. A filter is used on automatics because they have to keep the pump, valve body, cooler, and piston seals clear of metal debris. However, if there is more than the “normal” amount of debris that the filter is designed to handle, the transmission needs an overhaul that changing just the filter won’t fix.
Hey you seem pretty knowledgeable and I have a question my transmission seems to be going out the other day was making a whining noise on the freeway halfway home it got stuck in third gear now when I started up it drives for about 1 minute and then it stops driving all I get is the engine revving won't go into reverse unless I just started the car should I change the filter or just get the transmission replaced??
You make good sense and a compelling case. You right. Thanks for making me think about this.
Pete, I have a Kia Venga with an automatic transmission and I will only change the transmission fluid. I have 33k and it seems a lot of work to change the transmission filter. I will use Mannol SP III. Greetings from Milton Keynes UK.
Don't skimp on your second biggest investment. Just skip the fast food cheese burger one or two days one week and replace the filter.
The biggest issue with changing trans filter is accessibility. Some transmissions must be removed and split open to even get to the filter. Not worth it in my opinion.
@@a3300000 which transmissions are those? I've never seen a transmission that you have to remove in order to get to the filter
@@edocsil1635 , Chevy Equinox for one.
@@a3300000 Poorly designed vehicle
@@edocsil1635 most newer FWD GM and Ford transmissions have “lifetime” filters that are deep inside the transmission and are only replaced when rebuilding the transmission.
06 Ford Ranger with transmission slipping a bit. Mechanic mentioned issues with “flaring.” I’m a YT mechanic not a real one. $6k for a new transmission…hahahaha. Gasket needs to be replaced…seems like if I’m gonna be in there might as well change it. What do you think?
I have a Pontiac Grand Am. No filter. Had the old cruddy trans oil upgraded to Shaffers synthetic.
@ Pete's Garage 2002 chevy 2500hd 4l80e. Has 83,000 miles on since new. Transmission was serviced with new fluid and I believe a new filter @ 50k. I have a drain plug in the pan on this model. Would you personally Pete, pull the plug and drain or drop the pan and install new filter/fluid? Edit: gears just roll in smooth and shifts no problems...
I change the filter the first time I do it and replace the pan (If available) with an aluminum finned deep pan with a drain plug. I just do fluid drops every third oil change. Dorman makes replacement pans that are actually very good with drain plugs. If you own a Honda the filter can't be changed without major disassembly.
Good point👍
Glad to know that I don’t have to . Is there a time limit to get something like that done. And thank you again.
96 Camaro here. I was having a lot of issues when I would shift into R the car wouldn’t wanna go and the RPMs would go up but the car wouldn’t go anywhere fast.. lot of delay. Well, I changed out the filter, gasket, and fluid for the first time ever in my car 221,000 miles… the car shifts great now.. probably should have done it a long time ago. I think I’m just lucky. Probably wouldn’t go crazy with it but wouldn’t go past every 60k miles without doing it.
Im at nearly 475k miles on my 98 Tacoma with original automatic transmission and have never changed filter. Still running good, although the trans pan gasket has gone bad for the 4th time and needs replacing again.
Ok Horses you absolutely right and right, and ChrisFix is also absolutely right because I saw ChrisFix on his video was breaking apart the previous transmission filter and show us when transmission fluid you suppose also to the transmission filter, and us a lot of metals inside of the previous transmission filter, thanks to you Horses and thankfully to ChrisFix, and yes transmission filter supposes to change
Since a filter and gasket is less than $15, for my vehicle I would think it beneficial to change the filter along with the fluid if only to clean the transmission pan and remove the worn transmission debris trapped by the magnet.
I totally agree with you. Most transmission filter will only filter to maybe 100-200 microns size particles. Most clutch wear particles are smaller than that & go right through the filter. I dissected a transmission filter on our '07 BMW X3 with the French made GM transmission, running Dexron VI fluid, and had 132k miles on it. The filter almost looked new. I had to check the date code molded on it to see that it was the original filter. Also, the magnets pick up most of the steel particles, the clutch particles will eventually settle out & adhere to the pan vis surface tension. That's why you have to wipe them clean. So, IMO, a "drain & fill" will do the trick. I do it about every 10-15k miles which replaces about 40% of the fluid. Thanks for you video.
Same here i had my 4l60e rebuilt and beefed up. I put her into another astro van at 10,000 miles.added deep Pan.replaced deep type filter from shallow one.i feel same highway Miles replaced fuild about 3 times in 70,000 miles.no issues. Started shifting little harder so i just took off pan. Cleaned. And replaced ac delco filter. Shift s nice corvette servo. Shift kit also.i will cut open filter to inspect. 3 and 4 shift flawlessly. When new bam into 4th.2 nd feels like normal. Little firmness. So i agree im curious to inspect.thanks for view.
I Used a KM 95 Mask and its Still Running Today
On my Ford Focus 2008 it was easy and cheap to change the filter when I change the oil and did it regardless without thinking why I need to change it. When I got my Ford Escape 2015 it a sealed unit so I just change the oil now. Did I need to change the filter on the Focus is a good question.
They asking me 350$ to change transmission filter and flush transmission fluid... In toyota camry le 2016... Thank you man you just saved some money for me... God bless you
It makes sense to change it you are planning on keeping the car. There will always be wear in moving parts. A transmission change in the future is way more expensive than a simple filter and fluid swap that costs less than $150 in parts every 3-5 years.
Allison transmission doesn’t recommend changing until an overhaul. Not regular service
My Impala would not go (No Transmission engagement) until it warmed up. I changed the transmission filter and never had that problem again.
The only reason the filter is replaced is that you had to lower the pan to get the fluid out and so if the pan is already off why not just replace the filter anyhow. If, however, you have a drain on the pan and the transmission is working correctly, just change the fluid. If you are really worried about the fluid quality, then replace the fluid in the pan via the drain more often. I installed a drain in my pan by using a roofing sheet-metal screw. It takes a little while to drain the fluid through the rather small hole but it seals as it should. The screw cost about a nickle.
That's a great trick. Luckily, my 2006 Matrix has a drain plug. Just drain and fill every 30k. Car has 200k and shifts perfect.
No dont act like you know it all. Explain honda transmissions.... They have an internal filter because people believe that this filter will never clog. Wrong. Many customers drive their cars for 15 and then go into limp mode. Why??? Because the filter gets clogged. Clutch material builds. And makes a difference. They only have a drain plug. Get out of here with this nonsense. Change it. Why risk it. Except with honda because you have to take apart the whole transmission.
@@johnnysolano1025 I won't say they will never clog. Honda transmissions do have an external filter as an internal. The internal filter you have to pull the transmission. The external is usually in front of the radiator. Also this video is just garbage.
on an old chevy powerglide, doesn't the filter material break down over time? especially if its made of some treated paper material
My 06 Lexus was a little laggy on the shifting. Nothing major like hard shifts, but I went to do a fluid change and it was very dirty. Still a red color to it but dirty. I did a 4 quarts fluid change n saw some improvement. Now I’ll be changing the fluid and filter, just to try n get more of that old dirty fluid n debris out.
Pete you made an excellent point. Thanks!
Great video. What do you think about yearly drain and fill cycles? I know is not ideal, but you are renewing 30% every single year ... and is easy. Thanks! Editing for adding: To your point, I couldn't agree more. If filter would really need to be changed, they would have invented a more easy to access design. Regards, Nacho.
Well, unless the goal is to sell you a new vehicle when the trans craps out after the warranty runs out.
They don't make it easy so that you have to take it to the dealer!!
The reason why you change the transmission filters is because of the clutch material and other things that are wearing out and wearing in in the transmission
i'm changing my AT fluid, is it oaky to change to a different brand without changing the ATF filter? Thanks bro for the helpful video.
i never replace transmission filter, only fluid and my doge carnivan over 200k, i totally love this video
If you can get over 200k on a Dodge transmission without problems, you must be doing something right! Lol.
Change it next time because if it gets too much metal shavings in it can clog up and your transmission won’t work right
And putting the pan on and off is WAY harder then putting on the filter
If you have metal shavings, you have big problems.
@@PetesGarageandperformance bro I love your video I hope you can get back to me and respond. I have 1990 corvette with the 700r4 and the first gear and second gear works but when it want to shift to 3rd it slips and stays in second gear. All my coworkers tell me put a new filter and change the fluid ,put a new filter and change the fluid,if I do that is it really gonna change anything?
Pete garrage can you show me a video how to do the right step to replace the automatic transmission fluid please thank you
Just changed a transmission filter on a car with 167k miles on the original. Other than feeling better about cleaning clutch dust off magnets and pan, the filter seemed perfectly fine.
Just watched as I was going to do both filter and fluid but may just do fluid now. I have an 06 Crown Vic Police and the filter was replaced at 185k. It has now 215k. My plan now is to chance just the oil (Has a drain plug) and drive it for a day and change it again since I don't have the fluid exchange machine. I was planning on using the recommended Ford Mercon V fluid. Do you think this is sufficient. I'm taking it on a 1000 mile trip this Summer so it'll be hot and the A/C will be on etc.
Just changed mine in my 96 grand cherokee filter I got from Napa would fit but the pan wouldn't go on filter to thick so I put old one back in it was clean looking re filled with fluid
I have 170000 miles never changed transmission filter on my 2010 civic but changed the fluid every 30000 or so. No problems.
It just seems to me like sludge (natural metal sludge that builds up in every transmission over time, not shavings after failure) can cause a flow issue due to a dirty filter. I'd still change it for that reason alone. Yes you still have enough pressure to shift but is the pressure optimal for the transmission? Free flowing fluid is important for a transmission. The filters are not expensive for most vehicles and it can't hurt to change it. So why not just to be on the safe side?
Really great video, I was so confused when my Toyota dealership told me they do not change the filter. What do you think is better, drain and fill, or flush? I drive a 2011 Scion tC. Thanks!
I always recommend hooking an exchange machine to the cooler line. This will get the fluid that was in the torque converter exchanged also. If you just drain and fill, you don’t get the fluid out of the converter.
@@PetesGarageandperformance Thanks so much!
@@PetesGarageandperformance All transmissionjms are not the same, and they require different service intervals and procedures. Example: Per the FOMOCO Shop Manual, The 4R70W Transmission requires a Filter Change at every 30,000 miles. When I bought the car at 51,000 miles, the transmission had not been serviced, and the filter had never been changed. I drained the trans pan and the Torque Converter, and added new MERCON V fluid. I installed a new Motorcraft filter and a B&M Shift Improver Kit, a B&M 13,000-lb. Trans Cooler, and a B&M Drain Plug Kit. Since trans upgrades, fluid is changed at 30,000-mile intervals. Transmission functions flawlessly at 170,000 miles. Any argument against doing the required filter changes is misinformed, at best. www.mercuryforum.com/forum/grand-marquis-14/1995-grand-marquis-restoration-8937/
Some manufacturers say not to use flushing machines for transmission fluid change. So just check before using a flush machine.
Awesome info! Thank you.
I like your point! This makes perfect sense!
I agree. For example Honda v6 Pilot circa 2007 had a transmission filter that was not serviceable. It was internal between engine and transmission.
I agree that a dirty filter equates to a damaged transmission. However, consider this situation: The transmission appears to have no issues, except for a soft humming noise when you let go off the throttle. To find out there are a lot of shavings in the drain plug. Probably a torque converter running a little dry. If one replaces the filter and recycle ALL oil, one should get 20K more out of that transmission...
Hi Pete, as an engineer I agree with you. It's just another way dealers make extra money from so called service, but most of the time they cant do a service correctly.
Make sense I'm curious what's the filter made of inside will be diffinately less effectiveness flow vs new filter
I'm wondering for my ford escape they built the filter inside the transmission not the pan so you have to actually take the transmission apart to access it
When my truck was just 8 months old, the transmission was acting up. When the mechanic dropped the pan, he said there was a lot of debris in the pan. They did whatever they do and I have not had a problem in 16 years. But I do think about replacing the fluid and filter.
Thanks for the advice Pete. I was about to buy a transmission filter for my 2000 Frontier CC truck from O'Rileys. Guess all I need is some OEM Nissan transmission oil and a copper crush seal.
If after4 changing the fluid the new stuff turns dark should you change it again? It looks dark in a container then when you out it on a white background it looks clear. I'm guessing I should do it again to remove more of the old containments because the old fluid was pretty nasty.
I understand your point but my f10 tranmission fluid wasn't reaching the tranmission because of a clogged filter and it was causing a tramission malfunction, but ever since I drop the pan and replace the fliud with a new filter the car has been shifting like new
I have never changed the transmission filter on my Mercedes 2000 model c class .I only add trasmission fluid and it is working fine .Thank you for your logic 👍🏻
This is a question I was looking for 👍🏼 Thank you very much.
yes, if your transmission filter gets clogged and needs changing, you need a new transmission.
Needing a new tranny and engine is never a good thing bro but it happens
Thanks for the info . Hi have Chevy Malibu RX 2016 . I’m a woman when I go to the shop as I feel like advantage they charge 256 for transmission oil change. Then for me to come back to change the filter for another 350 . I did not do it .
I would just do the fluid flushes.
I don't think you need to replace the filter as often, as long as the fluid has been changed before the fluid has been burned up. If the fluid has gotten too burned up and is overly thick it may have already clogged up the existing filter. Just a hypothesis.
Hi Pete..nice comments..anyway I have a e90 auto 335i..slipping in reverse only when cold works perfect...if u play with it..it takes..park reverse..park reverse.any reasons on this..thx Rajen..South Africa
I always change those and always wondered why????? They looked so good. Now im doing an Acura and also has a motor oil type filter???? For the transmission. What to do ?????
If it’s as easy as a spin-on filter, then go ahead and replace it. But if you have to pay someone to drop the pan and change a filter, it’s not worth it.
I have told several people exactly what you are saying on this video 👍, well said ...
Only way to know if filter is getting dirty is from pressure drop test from before and after a filter. And yes a filter can have dirt or metal inside and still be doing it’s job. The filter shown in video is just a sump pump screen and not a true filter. Sometimes behind a attached cooler is an actual small filter that definitely should be changed because of physical small size. Any filter change can help with slightly better flow or pressures helping last longer life for the cheap price of filters!
Small question Pete I need your advice I have a 2011 Honda Ridgeline the transmission fluid was change once at 80,000 I have right now 130,000 should it be changed again thank you
I would
Understandable 🫡great video thanks
Makes sense. Thank you
I tend to agree on principle but question tho...shouldnt the loose clutch material and crud be cleaned out of the bottom of the pan every 80-100k miles or so? Just to keep the fresh fluid from getting dirty all over again? Or should we not bother doing that? Filter is probably fine but if the pans already off might as well put a new $20 filter on it. Or should i not bother dropping the pan to clean the gunk at all? In the past i would do that every 80k or so.
So I’m still trying to get a straight answer, I have a 2001 montero with 200000 miles that I bought at 113000 miles. I have never changed the fluid or filter since I was warned about a slipping clutch. I have not done any off-roading and the vehicle has been driving pretty gentle. The fluid on the dipstick still looks red and smells ok. Any need to worry about this?
I've changed a few AT filters, they all look completely unclogged. Unlike oil filters, they're usually a metal screen of fairly porous size, the fine particles goes right thru the screen anyway.
It really depends what transmission filters were used in certain vehicles, the one in your video can be reused after cleaning it, so do some filters with metal mesh screens, some transmissions have two or three filters, cooler filter will definitely require changing if there is one to prevent it from overheating, maybe change the Honda transmission filter that looks like a fuel filter shape too. My car has a paper filter also called transmission filter on Nissan parts website, it's on the torque converter when I opened the diagram. I called my dealer service department and they said CVT does not have a filter, so they drained and refilled 3 qt and charged me $200 with two recalls and reprogramed my computer transmission from 2nd "gear" was one of the recalls.
Wat if ur transmission fluid doesn't looks pink!! But a little brownish!! Wat do you say to that Pete!!?
Change the fluid.
The filter filters the shavings. If there a certain amount of shavings in the filter, it will hinder the flow of the fluid. So if you're changing the fluid, why NOT change the filter as well. It makes absolutely no sense to have clean fluid flowing through a filter saturated with blackened fluid.
You're a natural KZheadr...... great input.
Thank you for the kind words.
I completely agree
As someone who had run many Jeep Cherokees with the venerable AW4 trans it is pretty common for guys to just drain & fill the trans at regular intervals & still get 300k or more out of them. Even if we are not towing, climbing, or rock crawling the short trips, stop & go, idling in traffic is hard on the trans so we should service per the severe use recommendation. If you're not spending hours pulling, removing gasket or RTV without scraping the mating surface the time saved & lack of dread will more then make up for using better fluids & even changing more frequently. I've never cut one open, but on the AW4 the filter is a coarse screen & functions primarily as a pickup. Also I don't see it being critical that the magnet is cleaned when the fluid as changed as its general a strong magnet & will hold plenty of clutch material. Thanks for taking the time to tell me what I wanted to hear!
I agree with you. Well said.