How bad are the 152,000 mile old Rod Bearings in our E92 M3?
One of the main criteria when searching for our High Mileage E92 M3 project car was that the Rod Bearing service could not have been carried out. Whilst it was unlikely we would find a car that definitely hadn't had it done, we avoided any car with proof it had.
With that said, it's time to find out if our gamble paid off on our 152,000 mile Monte Carlo Blue car - Are the Rod Bearings original? And if so, just how worn are they after all that mileage?
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BEFORE WATCHING! What do you reckon is waiting for us inside the S65 engine? Place your bets - original bearings? Copper or later updated ones? Been changed recently? About to fail?
Great video! It’s such a variation of how more or less worn the bearing are on different year builds and mileage driven. Would you attribute the excessive wear on lower mileage to be due to hard driving patterns and/or poor maintenance? • Btw, Ryan and Cat are so amazing to chat with at IND and I agree that Fall-Line parts upgrades vs stock will be the best way to go 👍🏽💯
Hi Guys, do you do engine oil flash during the procedure or just quicker oil change?
I have no idea what a rod bearing is but I guess I'm about to learn!
Wouldn’t know as it’s luck of the draw, seen 30k cars have more wear then 100k cars, no rhyme or reason
Hi Evolve Automotive ,upgraded rod bearings not available on your website anymore? I can see OEM only… Thanks.
No denying Astons skills as a technician.... knows his stuff 👍
Alot of knowledge and experience in that big ol head
He demonstrated the difference between a mechanic and a technician, didn’t he? Wow!
Well done the previous owner. You've given Evolve a decent platform to work on.
I found this quite therapeutic
I 2nd this
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I can just hear your British accent through your comment 🗿
Me too actually!
aston does a fantastic job of explaining things. amazing team you have put together! would love to own an e92 now
Really are a special car, will happily recommend them to anyone.
Anyone with a lift 😂
Awesome video, it shows that these motors are capable of holding up if they receive good maintenance. Seems like the previous owner respected the car and followed the proper warm up cycle as well, which if not done could also result in failed bearings.
I wouldn’t call bearings worn down to copper as holding up...who knows what the history of the car is, but as was pointed out, if the car had been driven hard or tracked cylinder 8 could’ve gone fairly easily. But yes, it does show that the bearings can last...but bearings should still likely be changed every 50-60k miles. Probably much sooner if tracking the car regularly. What was more concerning to me is hearing that the car with only 30k miles had worse wear. Just goes to show that there is no rhyme or reason for how and why these bearings wear how they do and mileage on the car doesn’t count for much. The best you can do is try to buy a car with long term ownership and maintenance records which is pretty much the rule for any car. Then it’s still no guarantee and you better change the bearings ASAP.
@@ericm8368, these motors are notoriously know for failure due to worn bearings at a lot lower mileage. My comments were on the fact that this particular example "held up" a lot longer than most S65s. Bearing replacement on these motors are considered a maintenance item, crazy to think so I know, but unfortunately it is. 🤣
@@Rayzor1502 I got it😉
@Eric M - We believe that number of cold starts and how the car is driven whilst cold is the main contributing factor to the wear. The 30k car may have not been looked after, regularly driving hard from cold, lots of short journeys to not allow the car up to temp etc. Unfortunately it’s impossible to know how a used car has been treated in that regards. If it was directly linked to mileage it would be more simple but as this car shows it is not.
Okokk
Great project and vid. I love seeing these type of series and Aston is great at explaining what he is doing and making it simple to understand. Nearly at 100k subs too. I'm sure that goal will met very shortly. Keep up the great work.
These guys did my Rod bearings on my e93 M3 last week and they did a great job. I can honestly say I trust Evolve more than I trust the BMW main dealers. These guys don't only know their stuff but they are really friendly towards their customers. Evolve are the only company I would trust with my beloved M car. FACTS!
Thanks for the kind words! We really do love these cars 🥰
@@EvolveAutomotive When I was at your workshop last week, I had to leave my car with you overnight. I was about to arrange an Uber so I could get to the nearest train station in order to get home when one of your staff told me to put my phone away as he would drop me to the station!!! I'm not going to lie, I was taken aback as your fella did not have to do that. It's these little touches what will keep me and other customers returning. So not only do you get a professional and trustworthy job carried out on your car, you also get great customer service. Keep up the good work Evolve. 👍
how much was the job if you don't mind me asking?
£1500 inc VAT
Amazing series gents. Love it!!! I remember you mentioning on one of TR Hamza's videos that you were gonna do a high mileage project. I love being able to learn some mechanics like this!!
I thoroughly enjoyed watching this video. Very informative and soothing to watch at the same time. Job well done to Aston and the guys at Evolve. Can't wait for Imran to do the test drive.
Amazing vlog Imran, well done to the previous owner 👍 I was dreading this being the end of the project with the thumbnail, lol. Heard so much about the rod bearings on the E92. Finally able to see some content on it and see it in action, being done. Salute to Aston mans a ///Magician legend!
Thank you gentleman for sharing, might be a small audience for content like this but extremely appreciated, thankfully there's still some engineers and technicians out there
Great video & very informative you guys know your stuff 👌 Haven't heard the workshop sounds integrated with the audio before either! Was pretty cool 😎
So professional and well filmed video.. looking forward to more 👍🏻
Amazing first ever video I've watched from the channel and I must say that I won't stop watching vids from Evolve...however, the background tune sounds so much like 'The Game-soundtrack'.
Keep it coming lads, Quality & Aston is soo knowledgeable
Good strategy keep it up. We like to see this type of content and quality editing 👏
aston does a great job explaining it all, awesome video
Good that you guys maintained objectivity and demonstrated how a high mileage car that is maintained can have rod bearings that don't look bad. Motor mounts on any car with that kind of mileage will see that kind of wear.
I hope this dude gets paid well, he deserves it.
Great work, loving the content. Keep up the good work 👏👍
Sounds like you guys have a proper car now.👍Well done! It’s definitely a sigh of relief to know all is well. Another S65 saved!🙌
Videos like this is why I subscribed I love E9X M3 content cheers 🤙🏼🙌🏼
Wow, I had no idea rod bearings could be replaced w/o pulling the motor. Great video
Well worth the wait for this one, just goes to show that if the car is well maintained and not ragged the bearings can last. When I get an E92 im bringing it to you.
Great content guys. Very intuitive and keep it coming. Project N54 would be great 👍
I have an E39 M5 and did this work on the rod bearings and chain tensioners. Peace of mind... priceless!
I changed my 740 Schnitzer engine mounts a few months ago as I just like to change everything. My passenger side mount looked like yours, and exploded as it was removed! Changed the transmission mounts aswell. Used Febi Bilstein ones, fitted a treat.
Got my guess right. Pleased to see it looking well looked after. Good base to see what comes next now.
this is so cool to watch post more on this car!!!
Like the content on this, really useful if in the market for a m3. Looking forward to the build. 👍
Great video guys. I started a similar project about 2yrs ago. Bought an 09 on 123k on original bearings. Changed them straight away and looked reasonable, small amount of copper showing but nothing worrying. Interested to see where you go with this. Hopefully will show that a leggy e9x is nothing to be worried about.
Superb video guys just brilliantly informative.
Professionals at work!
Well done guys. Great video. And well done to your master tekker.
Enjoyed that video, great work gents.
Great idea for this build series. Well done to the owners of this car, it just shows mileage is just a number with proper maintenance 150k is better than 60k in some cases :)
terrific video i will keep. there is so much to remember but you have been excellent. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. THE BOTH OF YOU. regards.
Its like art watching these guys at work
Great vid guys. Renews my interest in "swapping out" My E36 M3 for a low mileage E90 M3. 🙏
Proof that maintenance is a must. Another great video
I’m really keen on following this series, bought an e92 M3 couple months back aswell, already has the evolve stage 2!
Nice! What does the evolve stage 2 mean? In terms of power and added parts? 😃
Quality workmanship 💪🏻
Cant wait to see more progress🤙
Love how the oil coming from the rear plug was nice and amber while the oil from the front plug was black. Seeing how the rear bolt was not stock while the front was, there’s a possible chance that previous servicer, probably former owner, wasn’t aware of the front plug. My 2011 leaks right in front where oil pump is, another item I need to look at when I do my bearings.
Watching an expert work is always a joy. These are well engineered cars. Thankfully people are recognizing that. 😊
A video about their engine bearings failing is an example of good engineering to you? Interesting bar for "well engineered."
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Good channel this, always learning. Wish you success in the future.
Great video, can't wait for the next update 👍
YES!!!! More like this please 🙌🏻🙌🏻
Enjoyable video! Keep them coming.
I think Aston could change the bearings in his sleep now, as usual a great insight into the workings of these cars, love your vids.
Ok ok, I’m a little more relaxed now, my e93 has 60.000 miles on the clock and I always worry about this bearings, even tho I always warm up the engine and never rev it more than 3000 until fully warmed, Still in plan to change them soon but hard to find good trusty shops nearby. And great videos guys, I like this project and I’ll follow it closely, curious what you guys will do with it. Cheers
Love me some E9X content. Great bonus clip at the end, lol. Any idea of what legitimately causes the start-up "clack"?
Quality as always. 💪👏🏆
I love this stuf of vidoes what a lovely work , lucky guys :)
Enjoyed a great and interesting lower end look.
Just had this done the other day, fitted by Hash. Keep up the fantastic work guys👌
Great work 👌 fair play with that milage on it its pretty good 👍
Professional and informative
Hey guys I really enjoy watching all the things that you do with all the cars. As I have a E90 M3 and have done the rod bearing as you guys have and wanting to purchase some of the products offered and programs but, I am having concerns of the main bearing and what I am learning about the S65 vs the S85 - what are some of your guys thoughts?
I have a 2013 m3 6mt and I am eagerly watching these videos. Mine has only 28,000 miles and I am the original owner. But I am fascinated by this car and can’t wait to see what you guys do with it!
Did you need to replace your rod bearings?
Great vid guys, really enjoyed & I haven’t even got an M3, I have got a BM tho.
Great vid keep up the content
i want an e92 m3 so bad, i think im going to pull the trigger next year, fingers crossed 🤞 then I'm coming straight to Evolve!
This is an excellent video. Thank you
Really interesting that.. I am currently looking at E63 M6s with S85 V10 and know that rod bearings are the main lookout for these cars.. 👍🏼
Hi Guys, very intressting and good video . At this stage, when you are changing the bearings, did you have a look at the oil pump? May be it would be a good idea to check and clean the oil pump top, at this high milage😁👍😁
Great vid guys 👏
Top class content guy's 👍
I'm glad you guys are keeping up the e9x m3 platform contents. What bearing/bolts did you guys replace with?
We use all OEM parts
Great to see this work in progress! Nice seeing Evolve bring some new life to car which by-and-large looks pretty well looked after! It would be interesting to a real time timer running during work done, or would that be too scary? Best not knowing sometimes 😬 Question... is it necessary to replace rod bearings on an N52? Or just the V8,s?
Generally don’t hear of the non-S engines needing replacements but not an engine were that familiar with.
Incredible content!
2:49 "Ok, that looks good. Let's put it back in."
I love these videos 🤛🔥
Good job I'm local, so when I finally get one myself I know where to bring it. PureGT has been useful.
well done for saving it
I changed mine preemptively at around 75.000 miles and they were, in comparison, in a much, much better shape. The copper wasn't even exposed. I never rev the car cold and this proves, in my mind, that most engines failures is most likely a direct result of abuse from clueless owners. As with any sport cars, if you don't treat them as such they will inevitable fail.
If it had the pre 2010 bearings that were copper then you did well. We rarely see an early car without at least a little copper showing.
@@EvolveAutomotive I guess most owner don't save their car for the next owner. I have no intention of selling my M3 (manufactured october 2007) so I take care of it 😁
Right, a very mabusive owner... No, but for real, I think it comes down to a few things. Oil quality, how often changed. The thickness of the oil, and the cold starts of the engine. When the engine is cold, the oil pressure is high! and this means that it is very hard on everything until it is warmed it. I always baby my N55 engine when it is cold. Always do the oil very often. Let them warm up for a long time. The rod bearings sit on a very thin layer of oil, and they are not designed to touch the crank. If the oil level is too high, or too low, they will. There are very small holes in the journals, and if the oil is too Thich, it will not do its job.
Great content..great buy..good instincts about the buy!!
Awesome vid! I own 2008 M3, bought back in 2011 with 43k miles and 10 years later ….149k miles :)
Love the video Imran
I did mine at 90k miles with some fellow e90/2 m3 owners. I was a bit scared. The real work is the sub-frame. There was some copper showing on a few of the top bearings, but not much really. I am the original owner and now have 130k miles. I get an oil analysis at every change and the results have always been superb. It runs like new and I love it. I had to rebuild my diff and lsd recently (put in the 4:10 gearset) and all new bearings. That was much harder and less fun than doing the rod bearings.
Nice job!! I met Imran many years ago when Dyno dynamics used his Dyno as a demo for us, great guy. I don't suppose you guys have a spare S65 sump laying around do you? I have installed an S65, 6 speed box and LSD from a scrap M3 into my Mercedes 190e but the sump has a crack in it. I had it welded but the heat warped the sump and now it won't seal properly. Keep up the good work!!
Give us a call on 01582 584000 Simon.
@@EvolveAutomotive Thanks, will do .
I’m at 156K on original bearings in my 2012 E92 M3. Now that I’m on stage 2 setup and tune, I’m eagerly watching this one 👀💪🏽💯
This man living life on the edge
Risk taker...
Playing with fire! lol
When you were born you drove your parents back from the hospital
I’m at 95k on my e93 M3 and I plan on changing the bearings myself but every time I drive her I let her warm up for about 15 mins just changed the oil too and she runs great!
Good job lads! Keep filming it the transformation of this M3 👍
I can't get over how much rust there is under this car...it made me go out and check under my own 2010 E90 M3 Comp
Nice, keep them coming! :)
Do you check bearing clearances when replacing stock bearings? I'm sure you guys have done enough of these to know if it's necessary.
Great update. Very professional.
would an oil analysis be worth doing to show soft metal erosion as my E46 M3 only covers 4K klms annually there may not be much to go on in the oil which is changed annually and has done 119K klms so what would be a reasonable mileage to change bearings as a maintenance schedule. Always used castrol 10w60 TWS and the new equivalent Castrol supercar in my six year ownership but records from the previous owner shows that oil flush treatments have been used by independent 'specialists' which may be detrimental plus Fuchs oil. Your past experience shows wear after 30K miles so could end up an expensive regular service item.
Amazing video!
Do you guys see any F15 model 2015-2018 X5M with Rod bearing issues? If so, what do you recommend as a maintenance type of up keep to avoid rod bearing wear? Change of oil weight + viscosity? Thanks.
Whoever gets mates rates from Ashton is lucky 🧺 great video as usual hope to see the next one soon
Phenomenal video 🔥
Enjoyed this 👌🏽 This M3 couldn’t have gone to a better team! She’s going to be pampered 🌟
He really knows hes stuff.
Great job
Loving watching these Eps, plan to keep my 50k 2012 92 for as long as I can, so preventative mods and potential failure parts that you guys might make to future proof them I'm very keen to see what this development car is it is will bring us 9X owners! Keep it coming!
I've been thinking of buying one of these... Usually I'm not worried about doing the work myself. Done everything on my current bmw... but damn it.. I dont have a hoist
Brilliant work Need to get mine to these guys Do you use Plastigauge.
This car looks like it’s been looked after or had easy miles