#32 Citation M2 Review | One of the best Single-Pilot Jets!
This week we finally get to show you a full review of the Citation M2. You have seen us fly this and other Citation M2s in several videos now so I hope we don't bore you with more Citation M2 content, but I thought this plane, especially as popular as it is, deserves a stand-alone review like we did on other aircraft before. The Citation M2 is based on Cessna's 525 platform and is basically a rejuvenated Citation CJ1, which also was a very successful platform. Today the Cessna Citation M2 is one of the best single-pilot jets money can buy. List price of these is $5.5 million USD.
If you have any questions in regards to the Citation M2 or if you're interested in purchasing or leasing one, please feel free to contact me. Info below.
Special thanks to Matt Keegan for letting us film this review of his airplane.
#CitationM2Review #CitationM2 #PrivateJet
0:00 Intro
0:30 Engine Start
0:46 Take-Off
2:15 History of the M2
4:25 Avionics
5:14 Performance
7:18 This M2
7:54 Competition
9:40 Climb to FL410
10:31 Speed at FL410
11:27 Approaching LGB
12:56 Landing LGB
13:44 Wrap up
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DISCLAIMER: All videos are for entertainment purposes only. Do not refer to them as instructional videos due to heavy editing and clips being edited out of context.
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Would love to come meet you and work on a type rating with you someday. It seems like it would be kind of like learning guitar with Eddie Van Halen!
Now that’s a compliment!
I didn’t think I was going to like having to deal with learning the garmin system. It is one of the biggest steps forward in safety I have seen in 30 years.
Rich you have the MOST UNDERRATED channel on KZhead. Keep the great videos coming!
Thank you! We will! Please spread the word!
Agreed, but Its starting to "take-off" . . .
Agreed, straight forward, no bs and well explained.
those who know, know!
Rich is very cool and genius seems to me. Again everything is relative I guess. But you are right, he is underrated for sure for no reason. He is ocean of airplane knowledge!!! Pardon my language but there people who put stupid shit they get millions of subscribers.. I my view Rich deserved to have 2Mil subscribers . Some times things do not add up.. and do not make sense.. I guess some time you got to blow your own horns..then people can hear!!! Like I go every day to my boss and I tell him I did this shit , that shit, shit is so difficult..,then and then he believes me and understands my value.. and gives me raise little..
My lottery plane! Thanks Rich!
It's on my list as well.🍸
I love the CE-500 Series which is basically what a M2 is. My first Business Jet back in 1998 was a 500 with the Eagle Mod, VH-HVH. We really appreciated the Eagle Mods extra range for Ops in Australia. We flew it everywhere in Australia and as far as Singapore on a regular basis for many years. PS. There are many much quicker (and cheaper) ways to get from Sydney to Singapore than in a CE-500 but none are as much fun nor convient !!!! Never had a AOG !!!! The 500 was just an amazing plane, Capital cost, Operating Cost, capability, easy to fly, great to ride in the back too (ok it is slow but it was also reatively cheap to run, every plane is a compromise) Miss that plane. We are about to step up to a G-IV-SP, I am looking to many years of flying the G at 465 knots and for 4,000 nms!!! and to making more great aviation memories in the years to come !!!!!
Good review Rich! I love the Cessna Citation birds! CJ4 is probably my favorite out of the smaller ones but of course the Cessna Longitude would be the best one Cessna offers, that thing is a beast!
Great landing Rich! "Come on Powerball" !
New subscriber. It's funny that I shared your video with my Instagram group just watching the first minute of the video. That's how great your video is. After watching the whole video, I'm really glad I shared it. Great job Rich!
I’m looking forward to seeing the next Flight and I always wanted to fly all the different jets that Cessna built
Love the videos on the M2
standardization of avionics (via garmin) is such a good thing i love it
I just love all the knowledge you give out on every flight and reviews. Love the vids 👍🏼👋🏼
Thank you!
How wonderful that must be. I would LOVE to just fly in one. You are Blessed Rich.
Very nice flying. Good job with the flight and the video. Mustang is one of the three finalists for my next airplane purchase. Phenom 100 and Eclipse 550 or SE are the other two. Need to determine if I can fly my mission, 3 pax and golf clubs, in an Eclipse. I have flown the Eclipse and found it OK to fly; haven't flown the other two.
Great video Rich. Please keep them coming!
Thanks - will do.
Great in cockpit explanation and camera angles. Fantastic views on approach. Surprised you don't have more subs. Thank you Rich
Thank you!
Great channel Rich. Is there anything you can't fly? Always look forward to your posts!!
So smooth.
Keeping it real Rich and I’ll keep watching you fly all of my favorite aircraft
Thanks Bernard! Let’s talk soon!
Love your videos, Rich. You seem like a great aviator. Love the paint job on the m2 - I have the same on my 510. Thanks for sharing, and agreed on the good points of the M2.
Thanks. I have never seen a 510 with that paint scheme. Love to see a pic - rich@ocraviation.com.
@@FlyingwithRich sent!
Great video, thanks. I know Max loves his Citation :)
I just started watching your videos. I like the straightforward approach of providing facts about each plane. Do you think you’ll ever review an Eclipse? They’re rated to 41,000 and would love to get your thoughts given the lower price point of an M2.
Rich, you have one the best plane review channels that is straight forward commentary!
Thank you - I appreciate that!
Nice flying machine. Thank you.
Love Both pair of Glasses on his right leg Ready to go!!
This jet is unreal!!!
cool video man! keep them coming!
Thank you!
Awesome Flight and review!!! :)
Thank you!
New to channel. Like your videos so I subscribed. Looking forward to future videos. Thanks, Bill from Memphis
Thank for watching - appreciate the comments!
Another great video Rich !
Thank you!
Awesome video.
Nice Rich.. Marshmallow tyres. Smooth landing.
Thanks!
Rich, I don't know about the M2 and clouds but another thing the TBM encounters is putting in the Inertial Separator for clouds raisers ITT about 30 degrees, robs the engine of a bunch of horsepower and slows the plane down significantly and as you say the upper 20s and the low 30s do have clouds to deal with.
Makes my day to fly with Rich Great channel
Thank you!
Nice job on that landing!
Thank you!
Very good review on an actual flight
Thanks for watching.
Very nice video presentation. Thanks for sharing. Saludos !!!
Thank you!
Excellent content, love the channel
Thank you!
Great video.thank you.!
Thanks for watching!
Enjoyed the video be interesting to see if there is room for all three competitors over time, Cessna has been at it a long time and seem to get it right again and again but you never know-all the same very enjoyable
Agreed but they could do better! They are being a bit too comfortable in my opinion.
Great landing
Nice video We just got an M2 and i am at FSI right now for the type. cant wait to get home and go fly it!
Enjoy the training and the M2! Thanks for watching!
Rich Does a Great Job,,,, Great Video,,,
Videos like this really has me thinking about going for a PPL and hopefully someday having the privilege to fly this awesome looking bird. I love the Cessna private jets
Go for it!
@@FlyingwithRich looking into it now Rich. I really appreciate everything you show man. I've learned a lot about so many different airplanes from you, and you have so many type ratings to your name.
Great Videos
love your videos. im already studying to be a pilot
That's awesome!
Yup, most underrated pilot channel for sure. Keep it up.
Thanks. Appreciate it - quite a compliment!
@@FlyingwithRich Yeah man, top notch. I basically learned to fly jets (twin piston, instrument pilot) watching you and Corporate Pilot Life. Also, your Citation stuff inspired me to partner in a 501 and get my PIC - just completed the course. So, thank you. Now I just gotta fix this damn hole in my pocket.
Awesome - made my day!!
Looking very nice..
Localizer is off a little? No/Yes? You are referring to your final approach showing one light low on the VASI. The Approach Chart for "ILS or LOC RWY 30" states "VGSI and ILS glidepath are not coincident" though they both say 3.00 degrees, despite TCH is 73 on VGSI and TCH 58 on ILS. You did a great approach!
Great video
Thank you.
I too am a strong 'proponent' of the single pilot jet, especially in class A airspace. Thankyou sir 🌈☮️
Thanksfor watching!
Always fun to see your Saturday videos. I bought the C441 with range as my primary consideration. Of course, a jet wasn’t in my budget but what is the range/payload situation for the M2, just in case my financial wherewithal increases to that level?
Tough to beat the Conquest II on range, payload and fuel efficiency. Full fuel and around 600-700 lbs of people & bags for the M2 - practically speaking that gets you 1200 NM with reserve.
@@FlyingwithRich In the debacle that my phase inspection turned into, I did at least install two STC’d kits that increased my max gross by 490 pounds.
Nice. Look forward to flying it with you sometime.
Could you plz make a detailed video of the interior of the m2 and explain how comfortable is it to fly 3/4/5 pax Thanks in advance ! Great channel and videos
Also the size of the luggage compartment would be great Thanks 😊
Thank you. We will next time we fly the M2!
Nice video Rich. What are you guys seeing for maintenance cost per year with the M2? Thx.
$35K with us - doesn’t include cost you pay into engine program.
Rich I see that the M2 has a flushing toilet does that mean that is externally serviced? Really enjoy your videos.
Thanks for watching! It does not have externally serviced lav - need to move up to a CJ4 for that.
Coeur D’Alene is awesome, beautiful area
Love that area! Spent some time in Sand Point too. Thanks for the message.
Rich since you have flown the hondajet, can you give us some idea of high speed cruise at FL430? Honda doesn't publish it and I don't have access to their book. It should be around 405-410 at that altitude. Thanks
Haven’t been at FL430 in it but based on my experience I would say those are best case speeds at that altitude.
@@FlyingwithRich Thanks. I fly as passenger in the M2 on a 2 hr. flight. Basically it's 30 min. climb, 30 min. descent and land, and 1 hr. cruise. At most, the HJ beats the M2 less than 10 min. on a 2 hr. flight.
End of the Cessna financial years 3 years back I was offered the choice of one of three sitting at the factory NEW with high spec outright purchase for a quick deal at $3.4 million !!
Sounds like quite a deal - not getting anywhere close to that now!
Depends, if Cessna are having a bad time against the competition or not. Honda, Phenom being more modern and popular. Cessna will keep delivering the M2 for sure, so it’s not over. My shock was having made contact with the sales rep guy, he came back with this incredible deal within days for an immediate deal, and had the authority to do it, telling you (maybe) they could still turn a profit at $3.4m. I now view second hand ‘asking’ prices as laughable… knowing what you can really buy a new one for.
Rich how many type ratings do you ?
👏👏👏
on the particular M2 you were flying, what is the range on the unit with a full load heading west coast @ FL410 ?
Westbound, average winds I estimate max range to be 1300 NM.
Hey rich when you flew the Honda jet did you notice how tiny the windshield was especially with those thick side pillars
I did notice it but wasn’t a major issue for me.
@@FlyingwithRich glad to hear that rich because it sure is a nice jet and I’m glad you got to fly it
good audio
Rich, any thoughts on Hondajet loss-of-control on rollout issues?
Good question. I really don’t know but when I flew it we talked about it. Honda made some changes to the nose gear steering in later models and I think is plan to modify them all. They also mentioned most of the accidents were in flight training environment. When I taxied it, the steering will take time to get used. They would not let me take-off or land it.
@@FlyingwithRich A friend of mine nearly destroyed one a few weeks ago at a high altitude airport in Mexico. Xwind gust pushed him into the gravel, fortunately no injuries just needs new flaps. He thinks the plane is super unstable in xwind rollouts and the plane is unofficially known at FlightSafety as "The Squirrel".
Interesting - thanks for the info. I know the crosswind component is low and I think that is something else they improved on the S.
I imagine a bunch of SD Cards full of hard landings and go arounds. Can't just be greased landings in everything from flying Charabanc to high end jet, can it? :D Greetings from the UK.
Greetings! Thanks for watching - one thing to be a good pilot another to be a good editor!
Rich what are your thoughts on the CJ1 ?
Love it. We have a CJ1+ under management and just sold a CItationjet. Even the early Citationjets are great airplanes.
Fuel burn is a lot lower than I would have figured...400kts on about 100 GPH is impressive...what is a typical all scenario range with full fuel?
Block fuel figure 120 GPH. 1300 - 1500 NM range with full fuel.
Aye!
Rich, does your company offer any M2 training?
We do training in-aircraft for type ratings, recurrent, and mentor flying, but that's generally done in customers' aircraft.
Any chance of a review on the Hondajet?
Definitely coming! It'll probably be something we can do in the spring of 2022.
@@FlyingwithRich Awesome. Thank you
How does this compare to the Embraer phenom 100?
M2 is faster but probably similar in a lot of ways. Some argue the cabin in the Phenom is better, better lav.
Get me in on one flight
Hey rich why is the pilot’s seat so low? How can he see out the window?
He can see out the window. Everyone has a preference for seat height.
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Love the M2, ONLY complaint is the B-52 yokes, really wished Cessna would have used a standard yoke like the Mustang, as I really don’t like the yoke coming up between my legs. The 100EV has the G3000
I kind of like the old school pedestal yokes! Gives it a big airplane feel to me.
@@FlyingwithRich HA, Janis didn't like it more than me, as a passenger in the co-pilot seat she said it limits her mobility . . .
Irrelevant question , how popular is the citation x
Very successful airplane, but they stopped making them in 2016 I think.
Rich, how long was that flight?
I think close to 2.5 hours. We had a pretty good headwind the whole way.
@@FlyingwithRich we live in a small town about 70 mile NE of CDA. We’re looking at an Epic, mainly do to the short strip. Too bad we don’t have more length. FL410 and 400 kts sounds pretty nice.
It is pretty nice! Never flown the Epic but have been watching that plane for a while - seems like it would perfect for shorter hops - thanks for watching!
So the M2 is a larger reincarnation of the beloved Mustang?
No - Mustang was a clean sheet model - 510. The M2 is a model 525 which came out in early 1990’s. Different type ratings as well. Thanks for watching!
Rich for some reason, I thought Matt bought a CJ3.
He was going to get a 3+ but decided to wait. Not sure that’s the right airplane for him yet. But, we talked about it and even put the M2 on the market for a bit.
@@FlyingwithRich Thanks!!! I thought I was going more crazy than normal for a second there lol
Lots of business jets flying in to cda
old fuselage & a new wing = M2 it is nice, but they should have updated Mustang
Yeah - I can’t say I disagree but M2 is very solid. Thanks for watching!
The Mustang sway smaller than the M2 and there was no more market for the Mustang.
1:29 sitting a little low ?
Don’t think so.
@@FlyingwithRich you think you are level with eye reference indicator from this shot? must be the camera or something ,,, looks like you re sitting really low
Not sure. Normally my seat is adjusted pretty close to the reference.
$1500/hr to operate then?
I think less - $1200. Thanks for watching.
Autopilot landing? 👀
Nope!
@@FlyingwithRich oh ok. Confused because no hand on yoke
This is a $5m aircraft, costs $1500/hr or $1m a year to run. The Honda Jet costs about the same but is a FAR better aircraft. The best single-pilot VLJ by any measure is the $2.3m SF50 Cirrus btw, and it has a parachute.
Weren't you the guy that said it was a $20 Million Dollar jet before? The Cirrus Vision jet doesn't come close in performance or capability to this. That's why it's half the price.
Cessna M2 is best for me! Thanks for the others!
Rich what can’t you fly?
Actually a lot of airplanes I can’t or don’t fly, but have been very fortunate to get to fly a lot of the GA airplanes!
everybody says TBM is much cheaper ????????
We have had some clients do from TBM to M2. Not sure they all agree TBM is much cheaper.
@@FlyingwithRich Thanks.
I think a TBM still makes more sense?!!
I think it does for certain people too. I do think a lot of people over estimate the total cost of an airplane like the M2 because it’s a “jet” and has two engines. My point is if you really look at those costs, you might be surprised and the M2 might be a better choice for your mission.
Depends on what your mission is. If you can afford a jet and comfort, performance and safety are important, a jet always beats a prop (besides RWY performance).
Didn't see you LOOK OUT THE WINDOW once in this video! What's up with that?
It’s a 15 minute video of a 2 hour flight. When I’m talking for the video I’m not really looking out the window. If you want to criticize me as a pilot, you will have to come up with something better than that!
300 lbs under gross with no one in the cabin??😳😳
We routinely fly with three 180 lbs people and can take 3000 lbs of fuel.
Citation X. End of Story.
I won’t disagree with that!
Cessna Citation Longitude., end of Story is Now.
You say people think these jets are expensive to run and maintain and imply that they are reasonable. Ridiculous statement. These aircraft, as pretty as they are, are even in "modest" form like the M2, only for the super rich. 130 gallons per hour? Who can possibly afford that? Most people do not understand how much that costs, let alone the maintenance, hanger fees, insurance, savage depreciation, airport and atc costs. A big family car with 4 aboard can achieve 55-70 miles per gallon. A corporate jet can barely achieve 130-160 gallons per hour at say 400 miles per hour average (after climbing then descending etc). So a corporate jet can only achieve a miserable 2-4 miles per gallon. A pathetic achievement. It's for the entitled very rich.
I find this a stupid comment. Sounds like you call anyone that has more money than you "the super rich". You should once look at a graphical illustration of a million vs a billion and remember that the super rich have multiple billions nowadays. This isn't the 60s anymore were 1 million USD was elite kinda money. You won't be able to afford a M2 Jet if you're on a $150k salary, but you will be able to afford it as a business tool for a small-medium sized business.
Eyes outside in Class D/E airspace in VFR conditions!