The Golden Ratio (why it is so irrational) - Numberphile

2018 ж. 7 Мам.
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  • π = 3 + a bit. Going to use this in all of my code from now on.

    @soranuareane@soranuareane6 жыл бұрын
    • π = 3; π += a bit;

      @acorn1014@acorn10146 жыл бұрын
    • private double aBit = Math.random(); private double giveOrTake = Math.random(); if (giveOrTake > aBit) { aBit += giveOrTake; } if (giveOrTake < aBit) { aBit -= giveOrTake; } private final static double PI = 3 + aBit;

      @DarkwingD@DarkwingD6 жыл бұрын
    • pi = pi + bit

      @anselmschueler@anselmschueler6 жыл бұрын
    • > 'in my code' > has MissingNo as a profile pic I love you :^)

      @PhilerinoBTW@PhilerinoBTW6 жыл бұрын
    • so π will be either 6 or 7 depending on the value of that bit :P

      @KauanRMKlein@KauanRMKlein6 жыл бұрын
  • This was one of the best Numberphile videos ever.

    @blacxthornE@blacxthornE6 жыл бұрын
    • Ersen Couldn't agree more

      @math.mouraa@math.mouraa6 жыл бұрын
    • I never liked the golden ratio because the way I learned it was: 1. greek dude came up with a series 2. divide 2 following numbers in it 3. WOW! flowers grow this way 4. the end This was a very unsatisfying explanation, because the whole 'WHY?!?' was missing. Thanks for giving me some love for the golden ratio.

      @MrPacoHamers@MrPacoHamers6 жыл бұрын
    • I agree. This one is up there as a top candidate for the best one ever. (And I have of course seen every single one, as we all have. Surely.)

      @limbridk@limbridk6 жыл бұрын
    • I was going to post the same thing. But I knew someone else already must have. So I found your comment, liked it, and...

      @ultimateman1234@ultimateman12346 жыл бұрын
    • asd i mean he looks like a judge who dropped his wig in the mud

      @wierdalien1@wierdalien15 жыл бұрын
  • The idea that numbers can be "more" or "less" irrational kind of blew my mind.

    @ahobimo732@ahobimo7324 жыл бұрын
    • Mark O did you go to school marko

      @USER-G291@USER-G2914 жыл бұрын
    • Imchattingabsolutefuckingshit username checks out

      @TempestGotThatTrash@TempestGotThatTrash4 жыл бұрын
    • @pyropulse You seem upset. You wanna talk about that?

      @ahobimo732@ahobimo7324 жыл бұрын
    • pyropulse pretty rude for no reason

      @gretsyuk1387@gretsyuk13874 жыл бұрын
    • pyropulse I mean I found it interesting that this could be a way to visualize how closely can an irrational number be approximated by smaller numbers, and I think using the language he used to explain - “more or less irrational” is an easy way to express my thoughts in this context

      @kakonya2994@kakonya29944 жыл бұрын
  • This is the absolute best explanation of the Golden Ratio I have ever seen. Thank you!

    @DhulstDirk@DhulstDirk4 жыл бұрын
    • For me it was the sound dinosaurs that did it.

      @ethann6573@ethann65733 жыл бұрын
    • The golden ratio is 1,618

      @RaineriHakkarainen@RaineriHakkarainen2 жыл бұрын
    • Establishment is training Al to learn from revised/censored reality of mediiaa and internet (mostly peaceful 👍), manufactured by NewNormal agenda. Starting the systemic use of Al with special interest focus is pure corruption at the root,. thanks Sillyc0nVally

      @p0tatobiden250@p0tatobiden250 Жыл бұрын
    • Nature is so precise. And yet many people still call themselves "atheists".

      @justArandomfellar@justArandomfellar10 ай бұрын
    • @@RaineriHakkarainenApproximately. It’s really 1,618…. Since it’s irrational (as indicated by its infinite continued fraction and its precise formula: (1 + sqrt(5))/2 (which is just sqrt(5) with some rational tweaks); as 5 is not a square number, its square root has to be irrational), and a bunch of other things, I’m sure), it has an infinite, non-periodic decimal expansion. 1,618 is a rational number that can be expressed as a precise fraction: 809/500.

      @PC_Simo@PC_Simo10 ай бұрын
  • "I'll be there in a bit" = "I'll be there in a pi minus 3"

    @allison5169@allison51694 жыл бұрын
    • Nice

      @niamhoconnor8986@niamhoconnor89864 жыл бұрын
    • no, the rhs is equivalent to "I'll be there in a a bit"

      @zoklev@zoklev3 жыл бұрын
    • 400th like

      @XnoobSpeakable@XnoobSpeakable3 жыл бұрын
    • You made me smile and giggle just alittle bit lol. :)

      @deletingthis00@deletingthis003 жыл бұрын
    • So you'll be there in a 1/(pi-3)-7?

      @mariafe7050@mariafe70503 жыл бұрын
  • That was mind-blowing, watching that animation run. You could see the whole-number fractions passing as the animation proceeded. It's almost like watching some part of the universe that you can't normally see, but which was somehow exposed by this video. A bit unsettling, yet completely fascinating. I can't quite describe it.

    @LMacNeill@LMacNeill6 жыл бұрын
    • Great. Glad you (sort of) liked it.

      @numberphile@numberphile6 жыл бұрын
    • .

      @abdiazizissa5706@abdiazizissa57066 жыл бұрын
    • Is the code for the animation, or anything like it, available anywhere…maybe on GitHub?

      @PhilBoswell@PhilBoswell6 жыл бұрын
    • AGREED! (and yes, that required caps.. lol)

      @a_diamond@a_diamond5 жыл бұрын
    • yea but to me math is like super complicated but at the end of the day it seems to me its just like a never ending mandelbrot set. it seems we have came up with infinite amounts of knowledge to describe something we should have already known all along lol idk man im having one of those "bruh i just figured out how the universe works" moments.

      @codemiesterbeats@codemiesterbeats5 жыл бұрын
  • "A BIT is not a mathematical recognized terminology" - CS major: sweats profusely

    @steve1978ger@steve1978ger4 жыл бұрын
    • @Arbnora Vezaj Elsi

      @progect3548@progect35483 жыл бұрын
    • Lol

      @ekananda9591@ekananda95913 жыл бұрын
    • CS major? Counter strike major?

      @ryanolsen294@ryanolsen2942 жыл бұрын
    • @@ryanolsen294 Obviosly not. It's Coconut Science major.

      @Padeir0@Padeir02 жыл бұрын
    • @@Padeir0 at my school it's called ECS (Engineering in Coconut Science of course)

      @shmillsyshmillsy6624@shmillsyshmillsy66242 жыл бұрын
  • "Flowers can cancel fractions" - Ben Sparks, 2018

    @meghanstrudwick4100@meghanstrudwick41004 жыл бұрын
  • That "bad flower" with no rotation is just a legume.

    @huruey@huruey5 жыл бұрын
    • It uses the least irrational number: 1

      @SCWood@SCWood5 жыл бұрын
    • S.C. Wood why isn’t 0 the least irrational number?

      @worldisfilledb@worldisfilledb5 жыл бұрын
    • @@worldisfilledb how is nothing less irrational than something?

      @Good_Hot_Chocolate@Good_Hot_Chocolate5 жыл бұрын
    • @@Good_Hot_Chocolate Why should there be something

      @rohancrawley4131@rohancrawley41315 жыл бұрын
    • @Dirty Sack it does noth exist

      @nomadical95@nomadical954 жыл бұрын
  • Instructions Unclear. Accidentally produced an infinite spin.

    @fraiseld2183@fraiseld21835 жыл бұрын
    • Lesson 5 Johnny

      @shrikaradeshpande7280@shrikaradeshpande72805 жыл бұрын
    • eventually, he stopped thinking

      @meowmeowmeowmeow1@meowmeowmeowmeow14 жыл бұрын
    • @@meowmeowmeowmeow1 Magenta Magenta

      @vaspelifilms1608@vaspelifilms16084 жыл бұрын
    • @@meowmeowmeowmeow1 ... the yen to ken zen means, nothing's gonna change your world ...

      @pereraddison932@pereraddison9323 жыл бұрын
    • How. It's impossible

      @timsonins@timsonins3 жыл бұрын
  • This is perhaps in the absolute TOP3 episodes of numberphile... everything is so great, I've watched it at least 4 times now over the past couple of years since I got into the channel. The content is fascinating, I love this dude, the animations and the music is soooo freaking perfect - even the little snaps when it pauses for a sec' ... just a wonderful peice of art created here

    @yeet3673@yeet3673 Жыл бұрын
  • Everyone: I finally understand the golden ratio Me: SPINN

    @minh1071@minh10713 жыл бұрын
    • SPEEEENNN

      @skyebluee@skyebluee3 жыл бұрын
    • Nyo-ho!

      @matteussilvestre8583@matteussilvestre85833 жыл бұрын
    • @@skyebluee S P E E E E E E E E E E E E N

      @j.hawkins8779@j.hawkins87793 жыл бұрын
    • SPaIN

      @alexandrufedericis9578@alexandrufedericis95783 жыл бұрын
    • SPEEEEEEEEEN

      @EclipseSystem@EclipseSystem3 жыл бұрын
  • Believe in the rotation, Johnny.

    @GuerreroMisterioso95@GuerreroMisterioso955 жыл бұрын
    • The Masked Man The spin is the power of infinity!!

      @Skullman367@Skullman3675 жыл бұрын
    • GYROOOOOOO

      @sarabeatriz5569@sarabeatriz55695 жыл бұрын
    • arigato, gyro

      @calamari2875@calamari28755 жыл бұрын
    • Is... Is this?! Could it be? Is this a Jojo's reference?!

      @franciscopetrucci@franciscopetrucci4 жыл бұрын
    • I opened this video only to see if there was a JoJo reference in it, thank you

      @superiorf@superiorf4 жыл бұрын
  • Hadn't heard of the golden ratio being the "most irrational" number before, that's pretty cool.

    @Joel-co3xl@Joel-co3xl6 жыл бұрын
    • Spectrally Mathologer did a video on this once. I think it was even titled "the most irrational number"

      @alpo789@alpo7896 жыл бұрын
    • An unpublished interview with Steve Mould had him mentioning the Golden Ratio as the most irrational number.

      @E1craZ4life@E1craZ4life6 жыл бұрын
    • It doesn't make lot of sense , if (1+sqr(5))/2 is the most irrational number , multiplying this number by 2 & substracting 1 shouldn't drasticly change it's properties , does it mean sqr(5) is extremely irrational ?

      @vitakyo982@vitakyo9826 жыл бұрын
    • Sqrt(5) has the continued fraction 2+1/(4+1/(4+1/(4+1/(4+... It's a similar beast in that it has a continuing fraction that repeats the same number over and over again. You can prove it in a similar way to the way he proved the all-1's continued fraction equals phi.

      @alexpotts6520@alexpotts65206 жыл бұрын
    • sqrt(5) = 2+1/(4+1/(4+1/(4+...), so according to this video, it would be more rational than sqrt(2) and sqrt(7). It has to do with proximity to a perfect square. sqrt(2) = 1+1/(2..., and sqrt(5) = 2+1/(4..., and sqrt(10) = 3+1/(6... If you look at the numbers, you get sqrt(1+x^2) = 1+1/(2x..., which means that when you take the square root of a number, the closer that number is to a perfect square, the more rational it will be (according to this video).

      @grex2595@grex25956 жыл бұрын
  • "Gondor has no king, Gondor needs no king." *Boromir* "Rule of Gondor is mine !" *Denethor* "So passes Denethor, son of Ecthelion..." *Gandalf* 1:59 "So if I jumped, say, to a tenth of a turn, would you care to predict what you would see ?" *Denethor*

    @staculette1919@staculette19194 жыл бұрын
  • *IF YOUR HEART WAVERS, DO NOT SHOOT*

    @ultragamer4465@ultragamer44654 жыл бұрын
    • Is that a JoJo's reference

      @sinbad4696@sinbad46963 жыл бұрын
    • Zero Two it’s making me head spin

      @iforgottbh4488@iforgottbh44883 жыл бұрын
    • @@iforgottbh4488 it’s making my nails spin

      @kevinsaidhi875@kevinsaidhi8753 жыл бұрын
    • Then a new gate will open to you

      @uocgimaythgconguoiyeuchethet@uocgimaythgconguoiyeuchethet2 жыл бұрын
    • The corpse was "JEs0s" for some reason

      @frfr843@frfr8432 жыл бұрын
  • All of differential calculus is based on "and a bit", It is perfectly ok to use, it just sounds better with Δ, δ, ε

    @dalitas@dalitas6 жыл бұрын
    • Let epsilon < 0

      @Radianx001@Radianx0016 жыл бұрын
    • Turn the sign around.

      @fovlsbane@fovlsbane6 жыл бұрын
    • Fovlsbane no

      @Radianx001@Radianx0016 жыл бұрын
    • TURN IT!

      @ice_wall_offcom1175@ice_wall_offcom11756 жыл бұрын
    • RainbowMash Noooo! Don't turn it!

      @fukpoeslaw3613@fukpoeslaw36136 жыл бұрын
  • Glad to see that the steward of Gondor is alive and well!

    @hliask903@hliask9036 жыл бұрын
    • Nailed it Bro!

      @prathameshdusane2619@prathameshdusane26195 жыл бұрын
    • Flee for your lives!

      @prathameshdusane2619@prathameshdusane26195 жыл бұрын
    • And killing it at maths

      @Timbot2002@Timbot20025 жыл бұрын
    • That's exactly what i thought when i saw the thumbnail. lol

      @MrSam1804@MrSam18045 жыл бұрын
    • I said that too!

      @Lyle-xc9pg@Lyle-xc9pg5 жыл бұрын
  • Johnny you've gotta watch this Numberphile video to learn the power of the spin, Trust me Johnny

    @quakeroats2007@quakeroats20073 жыл бұрын
    • "johnny johnny" "yes gyro"

      @kakyoindonut3213@kakyoindonut32133 жыл бұрын
  • 6:10 also, if you count the number of seeds on one of the 3 spirals starting at the center, then the 7th seed will always line up with one of the 22 spokes - and 22/7 is approximately pi, amazing!

    @gosugosu1280@gosugosu12804 жыл бұрын
  • I have heard nearly everything in here before, but I've never seen such a succinct, logical explanation for all of it. This was freaking amazing.

    @yamomwasthebomb7159@yamomwasthebomb71596 жыл бұрын
    • r/iamverysmart

      @simonshugar1651@simonshugar16516 жыл бұрын
    • I'd never actually seen the derivation of (1 +- sqrt5 ) / 2 before. This was very helpful!

      @iMutt-yy6vf@iMutt-yy6vf5 жыл бұрын
    • Well he didn't said he understood everything @@simonshugar1651

      @gguioa@gguioa5 жыл бұрын
    • Same. I knew about most of the properties of the golden ratio that were shown here, but I was never quite able to put together _why_ it was the case. When he went from the continued fraction representation straight to "x = 1 + 1/x" it just blew my mind.

      @SSM24_@SSM24_5 жыл бұрын
  • Johnny, you must spin your nail based in the shape of the golden rectangle!

    @flyingchineseman6901@flyingchineseman69015 жыл бұрын
    • I can't do it Gyro!

      @worldisdoomed9994@worldisdoomed99944 жыл бұрын
    • @@worldisdoomed9994 Say that 3 more times then I'll give it to you

      @felixargyle1285@felixargyle12854 жыл бұрын
    • Pizza mozzarella

      @sinbad4696@sinbad46963 жыл бұрын
    • cant ruin 314 likes :/

      @alejandrite9@alejandrite93 жыл бұрын
    • No

      @lifeisagameofknowingyourro6327@lifeisagameofknowingyourro63273 жыл бұрын
  • Nature: *Exists* Mathematicians: _That's Irrational_

    @DouglasButner@DouglasButner3 жыл бұрын
    • Irrational in math means something else compared to irrational in reality. Rational typically means "in accordance with logic." In that sense it's latin root. Irrational in that sense means not according to logic. However, that is not the etymological root of mathematical rational and irrational. The english started using ratio, which has the same root at rational, to refer to a relationship(by division) between two numbers. Rational in that sense means able to be described in a ratio and irrational simply means unable to be described in a ratio, not that the number is illogical - since numbers kind of can't be illogical because of how they're defined.

      @jhomastefferson3693@jhomastefferson36932 жыл бұрын
    • @@jhomastefferson3693 thanks for explaining

      @DouglasButner@DouglasButner2 жыл бұрын
    • @@jhomastefferson3693 but you forgot to sat ratios of integers or other rational numbers. All are a ratio

      @DouglasButner@DouglasButner2 жыл бұрын
  • This was BEAUTIFUL! You made me fall in love with mathematics. I come and see this video every once in a while to keep being motivated to learn.

    @aysoodaagh3167@aysoodaagh31672 жыл бұрын
    • What a wholesome comment. I’m going back to school soon and I’m going to remember this to motivate myself.

      @fibonaccisequins4637@fibonaccisequins46372 жыл бұрын
  • We need an hour long animation of the flower at the end.

    @liborkundrat185@liborkundrat1856 жыл бұрын
    • Libor Kundrát yes.

      @bgoggin88@bgoggin886 жыл бұрын
    • Libor Kundrát same

      @celinak5062@celinak50626 жыл бұрын
    • slower, or looping?

      @benjabean1@benjabean16 жыл бұрын
    • MamboBean Slower. Imagine it spinning slowly with a hypnotyzing music as it crosses the milestones. (the larger fractions, the golden ratio, etc.) Looping wouldn't really have much meaning.

      @liborkundrat185@liborkundrat1856 жыл бұрын
    • Make it 10 hours.

      @retepaskab@retepaskab6 жыл бұрын
  • PI=3+a bit I knew it, PI is something between 3 and 4.

    @IvanIvan1974@IvanIvan19746 жыл бұрын
    • Nobel prize incoming...

      @alant84@alant846 жыл бұрын
    • *Fields Medal

      @fennlyxerxich7091@fennlyxerxich70916 жыл бұрын
    • Between 3 and 4 Between 3 and 3 2/5 (or 12/5) Between 3 and 3 1/7 (or 22/7) and so on

      @HappyBeezerStudios@HappyBeezerStudios6 жыл бұрын
    • Isnt pi = 3.2? Yeah..

      @gyaneshwarigunaseelan2575@gyaneshwarigunaseelan25756 жыл бұрын
    • embrace yourself and pi=22/7 is coming!

      @felipesteinck6984@felipesteinck69846 жыл бұрын
  • I have no idea how I came across this video nor have I the slightest clue of anything that was just explained, but, I watched all 15:12 in complete wonderment.

    @contessawillis@contessawillis Жыл бұрын
    • Wonderment lies in the question more than the answer, doesn’t it?

      @marshallpartington@marshallpartington Жыл бұрын
  • I love how when at 10:48 he mentions Matt Parker, there is a tiny flash of Parker Square in the bottom right corner :-)

    @TheTimelyTurtle@TheTimelyTurtle3 жыл бұрын
  • Wow!!! I already thought I knew a lot about the golden ratio, but I've never thought of one irrational number as being "more irrational than another". The way they calculated phi from that infinite fraction is something I've never seen before and it was absolutely awesome!

    @KimAlexisG@KimAlexisG5 жыл бұрын
    • It's a different metric but I thought of transcendental numbers as the most irrational but things like "e" and pi are close to 3 so will make curly spokes if you try to use 1/e or 1/pi to space seeds.

      @TimpBizkit@TimpBizkit8 ай бұрын
  • Some hard thinking has gone into this, I would never have thought of this!

    @davidsweeney111@davidsweeney1116 жыл бұрын
    • They actually taught us exactly this in uni at a number theory course

      @ShoM1nam1moto@ShoM1nam1moto6 жыл бұрын
    • Quite different to be taught something compared to be the one that figured it out. Uff, one part of me wants to study again since i never got much education. Now at older age knowledge interest me more :D

      @Luftbubblan@Luftbubblan6 жыл бұрын
    • Mine was actually pretty easy it was simply a matter of all actions being compressed into a series of yes no and i do not know from there you simply compress the possible repetitive calculations down to a reasonable form like holographic in a particular way then no matter what question you have as long as the answer is yes or no you have a direct path from question and answer in the fractal patterns of that holographic that eventually themselves repeat and the world becomes yours. Took me less than a day to figure out and usually just takes a few seconds on paper.

      @andrewkelley7062@andrewkelley70626 жыл бұрын
    • Andrew Kelley what exactly have you find out? and how again the world becomes yours?

      @galesx95@galesx956 жыл бұрын
    • just do the equation I have in my post

      @andrewkelley7062@andrewkelley70626 жыл бұрын
  • I have spent years of academia studying the golden ratio and yet this is the best and clearest explanation I have ever seen on its irrationality! Incredible!

    @hollyhensler5589@hollyhensler55893 жыл бұрын
  • This was so interesting and I really couldn't understand exactly why the golden ratio was so important and this really blew my mind, thank you!

    @micaelaroyo4837@micaelaroyo48373 жыл бұрын
  • Best Numberphile video in a while

    @jakeroosenbloom@jakeroosenbloom6 жыл бұрын
    • Easily.

      @thesmallestatom@thesmallestatom6 жыл бұрын
    • Absolutely brilliant.

      @ultimateman1234@ultimateman12346 жыл бұрын
    • Agreed

      @DBFIU@DBFIU6 жыл бұрын
    • Denethor is that you?

      @TheBelrick@TheBelrick5 жыл бұрын
    • What would You think are the other best videos on this channel? Or better, what are, in your opinion, the best videos from Numberphile, Computerphile and other science-related channels? I would even go as far as asking what are the best videos You've ever seen on KZhead?

      @cuter.@cuter.5 жыл бұрын
  • Best Numberphile video yet!

    @GetMeThere1@GetMeThere16 жыл бұрын
    • What would You think are the other best videos on this channel? Or better, what are, in your opinion, the best videos from Numberphile, Computerphile and other science-related channels? I would even go as far as asking what are the best videos You've ever seen on KZhead?

      @cuter.@cuter.5 жыл бұрын
  • I love how he just mentioned "you can count the spokes and if you do you get fibonacci numbers"

    @Fun_maths@Fun_maths3 жыл бұрын
  • Compelled to come here because of Steve Mould’s 1 million subscriber video. Great content.

    @ryanrichardson1169@ryanrichardson11692 жыл бұрын
  • That flower animation at the end really creeped me out for some reason.

    @MisterAppleEsq@MisterAppleEsq6 жыл бұрын
    • Mister Apple You have floweranimationmathsthingphobia?

      @anybodynoname8767@anybodynoname87676 жыл бұрын
    • I want it as my screensaver.

      @ctrlaltshift@ctrlaltshift6 жыл бұрын
    • Mister Apple the way it changes the circles' size is really disturbing

      @EchoHeo@EchoHeo6 жыл бұрын
    • Sentinels from matrix

      @teckyify@teckyify6 жыл бұрын
    • It's more likely the music.

      @jwrm22@jwrm226 жыл бұрын
  • Brilliant video! Captivating from start to finite end. We are off to go measure flowers now.

    @KidToyTesters@KidToyTesters5 жыл бұрын
    • If there's an end, 100% of the times it will be finite. There is no such thing as "infinite" with an end. I'm still confused about your thought process.

      @oscarpritzker6278@oscarpritzker62783 жыл бұрын
    • @@oscarpritzker6278 did you have high expectations for a kids channel?

      @dr.killakill960@dr.killakill9603 жыл бұрын
    • @@oscarpritzker6278 i mean... you can technically “complete” an infinite series

      @doublecircus@doublecircus3 жыл бұрын
    • @@doublecircus No we can't. There's a reason why it's called infinite, but I agree that there's always an end, we just can't calculate it, so it's correct to say that infinite just means immeasurable and not endless.

      @oscarpritzker6278@oscarpritzker62783 жыл бұрын
    • @@oscarpritzker6278 I was referring to something like Zeno’s paradox, and probably could find a few other examples

      @doublecircus@doublecircus3 жыл бұрын
  • Oh boy! I'm ready to watch a nice video and learn about the golden ratio! I sure do hope there aren't any references to this Japanese cartoon in the comment section!

    @diavoloisamasochist4986@diavoloisamasochist49864 жыл бұрын
    • 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

      @sinbad4696@sinbad46963 жыл бұрын
    • Username checks out

      @victorthevictor1976@victorthevictor19763 жыл бұрын
    • @@sinbad4696 omg chica I am a huge fan

      @diavoloisamasochist4986@diavoloisamasochist49863 жыл бұрын
    • @@diavoloisamasochist4986 aren't you miyuki's dad omg i'm a huge fan

      @sinbad4696@sinbad46963 жыл бұрын
    • @@sinbad4696 YES! I AM!

      @diavoloisamasochist4986@diavoloisamasochist49863 жыл бұрын
  • Flowers canceling fractions is the coolest sentence I've heard today.

    @coloradolove7957@coloradolove7957 Жыл бұрын
  • So flowers are smarter than me, thanks.

    @user-wg4hz3bk4f@user-wg4hz3bk4f5 жыл бұрын
    • ..."me (period )Thanks capital " T " .

      @IETCHX69@IETCHX695 жыл бұрын
    • your "stupidity" is a learned behavior. GL

      @johnnyknight6447@johnnyknight64474 жыл бұрын
    • Selective processes are the way to go!

      @Kyle-li8wi@Kyle-li8wi4 жыл бұрын
    • flowers had 250 million years of trial and error to get phi. you basically understood 250 million years of work in about 15mins.

      @alveolate@alveolate4 жыл бұрын
    • No, flowers are just like that after billions of years of Evolutionary trial and error. The real question is why is the universe so specifically, logically ordered such that this is the universal best ration of flower petals, among other things...

      @toatahu2003@toatahu20034 жыл бұрын
  • This guy is a fantastic teacher. He clearly understands what he's talking about. For me, the subject is quite interesting in the first place, but even still he's so clear and concise in his explanations. Great video!

    @conordoran8273@conordoran82736 жыл бұрын
    • Thanks and glad you enjoyed it.

      @numberphile@numberphile6 жыл бұрын
  • The most clearly explained video on Numberphile. Was following along quite nicely all the way through!

    @VivekYadav-ds8oz@VivekYadav-ds8oz3 жыл бұрын
  • You guys rock! My favorite numberphile video yet. Ben you’re awesome, I found you through the Mandelbrot set video which I loved!

    @joshsvoss@joshsvoss4 жыл бұрын
  • This is, by far, the best explanation about how math helps to explain natural occurences. I am a high school geometry teacher with a degree in secondary mathematics education. I always feel that when I start to talk about Fibonacci numbers, the Golden Ratio, etc, I tend to lose people. Most high schools students, and students beyond high school, really sort of start to glaze over when talking about sequences. I absolutely love this explanation and animation. I feel like anyone could understand it because it's so beautifully done. Also, to be honest, I never thought about the fact that some irrational numbers are more irrational than others. This video was so cool! Thank you!

    @lindsayhout673@lindsayhout6735 жыл бұрын
    • 5d75dv6e

      @jorisbeijers7539@jorisbeijers7539 Жыл бұрын
  • Considering that flowers have had about 250 million years of evolutionary trial and error to progressively find more and more efficient seed packing methods, is it any surprise that eventually they would get to the most perfect method mathematically possible?

    @oggyreidmore@oggyreidmore5 жыл бұрын
    • Not even then, since flowers don't have any sort of "choice" about where they grow seeds anyway. That's all determined by the behavior of the proteins down at the molecular level.

      @General12th@General12th5 жыл бұрын
    • Exactly. When I said flowers "found" the best solution, I didn't mean consciously. I meant in the sense that a repeating computer algorithm might "find" the best solution to something if it cycles through the problem enough times.

      @oggyreidmore@oggyreidmore5 жыл бұрын
    • Then every plant should have this structure. But they dont.

      @SuperQuwertz@SuperQuwertz5 жыл бұрын
    • @@SuperQuwertz not every plant has the same goal... Other plants with different goals find other uncannily mathematical sequences. Like how leaves grow on a tree for example.

      @brokenwave6125@brokenwave61255 жыл бұрын
    • @@brokenwave6125 the goal should be to survive. therefore after millions of years everything should be more or less equal. there is no need to be "beautiful". bees dont care about the perfect geometry of a flower. Or do you think the lotus is repelling dirt and is using perfect geometry in order to survive better?

      @SuperQuwertz@SuperQuwertz5 жыл бұрын
  • This is the most *brilliant* and *fascinating* video on Phi that I’ve ever seen in my life!! Well done!!

    @jewelsbarbie@jewelsbarbie4 жыл бұрын
  • This guy is by far the best explainer you have on numberphile

    @jordandocherty5132@jordandocherty51324 жыл бұрын
    • Nah gyro Zeppeli is better

      @sinbad4696@sinbad46963 жыл бұрын
    • That is your opinion and you should state it as such. Other people may have other opinions because liking someone is not easily quantifiable.

      @AdelaeR@AdelaeR2 жыл бұрын
  • Lol the Parker square.

    @WannesMalfait@WannesMalfait6 жыл бұрын
    • Love such easter egg.

      @MichaelLikvidator@MichaelLikvidator6 жыл бұрын
    • Parker square will never die, love you guys :D

      @wynarator@wynarator6 жыл бұрын
    • It'll never be let goooo.

      @Bellonging@Bellonging6 жыл бұрын
    • Parker Square flash for a frame or two, then suggesting the video for it immediately afterward. You cheeky sorts. 😂

      @TKNinja37@TKNinja376 жыл бұрын
    • it has become like one of those small fish that lives on the surface of a much bigger fish. chances are the small fish will show it self whilst you are admiring the big fish

      @arturzathas499@arturzathas4996 жыл бұрын
  • The best Acid trip I ever had on youtube.

    @gregs_on_tracks@gregs_on_tracks5 жыл бұрын
    • I believe you.

      @momo-dm3rw@momo-dm3rw5 жыл бұрын
    • did anyone ever make a video of the animation with that music yet?

      @AbhinavTallapally@AbhinavTallapally5 жыл бұрын
    • Mandelbrot Deep Zoom would like to have a word with you...

      @PanduPoluan@PanduPoluan5 жыл бұрын
    • i watched this tripping and it was entertaining af

      @Kakerate2@Kakerate24 жыл бұрын
    • Do mandelbrot zoom in

      @simohayha6031@simohayha60314 жыл бұрын
  • _Lesson 4: Pay your respects_

    @nazrael8826@nazrael88263 жыл бұрын
  • I've had a backstage obsession with the golden ratios (and other numbers/mathematical anomalies), and this blew my mind. Thank you sir

    @fifthwallrenaissance3433@fifthwallrenaissance34334 жыл бұрын
  • All the videos with Ben Sparks have been fantastic on numberphile, looking forward to more!!

    @Hierophant750K@Hierophant750K6 жыл бұрын
    • Here’s his playlist: bit.ly/Sparks_Playlist

      @numberphile@numberphile6 жыл бұрын
  • The true power of lesson 5...

    @NeoBoneGirl@NeoBoneGirl5 жыл бұрын
    • which lesson?

      @alanlowen2766@alanlowen27663 жыл бұрын
    • @@alanlowen2766 you probably wont get it

      @r35ct12@r35ct123 жыл бұрын
    • @@alanlowen2766 Lesson 5 Johnny, it was the most roundabout path

      @emptyvending8964@emptyvending89643 жыл бұрын
    • GAH NOOO NO JOJOS IN MY MATH AAAAAAAAA

      @rhodesmusicofficial@rhodesmusicofficial2 жыл бұрын
  • Watched all this and really enjoyed it...now I'm going to watch again and code my own version. I love when mathematical concepts show some element of symmetry or beauty when you never expect it.

    @jamisonr@jamisonr2 жыл бұрын
  • what a time to be alive!! thank you for this video, it actually helps my eyes understand what I been seeing... I've been seeing the spirals but my eyes used to readjust focus (which hurts), but this model lets me know my eyes weren't broken

    @HunnitAcreWoods@HunnitAcreWoods4 жыл бұрын
  • Next time I get in a fight with a romantic partner, I’m going to shout “(1+/- sqrt(5))/2 “ to let them know JUST HOW IRRATIONAL they’re being.

    @sciencecompliance235@sciencecompliance2355 жыл бұрын
    • *Bahaha* 👏🏼😂 me too!

      @jewelsbarbie@jewelsbarbie4 жыл бұрын
    • Might want to save that for a time when they are being the most irrational.

      @CosmicEpiphany@CosmicEpiphany4 жыл бұрын
    • Please don't spoil the comment section by making such bad jokes

      @sahelipaul8436@sahelipaul84364 жыл бұрын
    • But what if you never have another romantic partner ever again?

      @General12th@General12th4 жыл бұрын
    • I was wondering if anyone in the comments was going to connect this to people and how they act in relationships. Do I really need to elaborate?

      @DanielDF11@DanielDF114 жыл бұрын
  • "I'm not saying flowers are thinking about this", ibelieve you

    @ayo2036@ayo20365 жыл бұрын
  • One of the coolest videos on Phi I have seen. Hats off!

    @jaimecassar8427@jaimecassar84274 жыл бұрын
  • Ty for zooming through all the possible curves at the end, very illustrative

    @narnbrez@narnbrez4 жыл бұрын
  • "Hey are you the gold ratio, because you're behaving extremely irrational right now"

    @z-beeblebrox@z-beeblebrox6 жыл бұрын
    • Probably not your go-to pickup line, not gonna lie

      @involute2831@involute28316 жыл бұрын
    • Daamn

      @UnderScorePT@UnderScorePT6 жыл бұрын
    • Message from the Save the Adverb Foundation: *irrationally

      @Sonny_McMacsson@Sonny_McMacsson6 жыл бұрын
    • embustero71 where can I join the Save the Adverb Foundation. I am from the Adjective Protection Agency.

      @CraftQueenJr@CraftQueenJr6 жыл бұрын
    • hey are you a fire alarm, because you are loud and annoying

      @SRPhantoms@SRPhantoms6 жыл бұрын
  • Ben (or "Mr Sparks" as he was to me) was my teacher for the first year of A Level maths. Sadly he wasn't there for my second year. Needless to say I did a lot better the first year than the second. He was one of the best teachers I ever had, and that's a pretty high bar!

    @jamesboultbee1353@jamesboultbee13535 жыл бұрын
    • Hi James!

      @SparksMaths@SparksMaths Жыл бұрын
  • Ben is my favourite contributor to this channel. All his videos are fantastic

    @questionable-cf1tt@questionable-cf1tt4 жыл бұрын
  • Arigato, Gyro.

    @teonyi@teonyi4 жыл бұрын
  • I had already heard that the golden ratio was found everywhere in nature, but I never could understand why. This video made me see why! I think that the explanation is thorough, understandable and very well presented. Great video!

    @matteogauthier7750@matteogauthier77506 жыл бұрын
  • That is one simple, clear and truly amazing video you put together here Brady !

    @MasterChakra7@MasterChakra76 жыл бұрын
  • I have a pic of a sunflower that demonstrates the golden ratio extraordinarily well... Just looks really amazing. Started noticing the other flowers in that batch had some of that also.

    @sshowell448@sshowell4484 жыл бұрын
  • Excellent video!! What makes this video so great is the way quadratic equation is solved, so slick. This is why I watch this channel!

    @bagortenay1822@bagortenay18224 жыл бұрын
  • Continued fractions are always fun. They make me wonder if a musical interval of 1/phi should be the harshest possible ratio, not the tritone (which is 1/sqrt(2)). But if you try to make 1/phi, what you hear is a sharp minor sixth, closely approximated by 8 semitones and 33 cents. The next question is on the 36 tone scale, where would this golden interval resolve?

    @abramthiessen8749@abramthiessen87496 жыл бұрын
  • Great video. I really dislike the rectangle explanation of the golden ratio, it makes it seem so arbitrarily. Saying "it's the least rational number" is a much better way of highlighting its importance.

    @madichelp0@madichelp06 жыл бұрын
    • I think that must be a legacy from the Ancient Greek mathematicians. For them, numbers were for quantifying lengths (and areas and volumes), so the shape or aspect ratio of a rectangle comes out naturally.

      @rosiefay7283@rosiefay72836 жыл бұрын
  • The Golden ratio is our lesson for this semester. Thanks for the clear explanation ☺️

    @ken-je9oi@ken-je9oi2 жыл бұрын
  • THANK YOU for that snap frame, it made it a lot easier to stop on the frame to study it a bit

    @lIlIIlIllIIIllIIllIlIllIllI@lIlIIlIllIIIllIIllIlIllIllIАй бұрын
  • flower seem to be better at math than me.

    @OlbaidFractalium@OlbaidFractalium6 жыл бұрын
    • They use an evolutionary algorithm. They do not know that they are solving a maths problem, but nature put in the constraints and they just blasted out that optimum. Maybe there were Root Two seeder sunflowers kicking around for a while before their Golden Ratio cousins took over.

      @thumper8684@thumper86846 жыл бұрын
    • +Thumper Maybe you're right. But if it's the Root Two seeders followed by the Golden Ratios, who's next? Maybe the Eulers? (Check out the evolution at 1/e, or around 0.36788, where the seeding looks maybe even more random than at 0.618...)

      @idlingdove5217@idlingdove52176 жыл бұрын
    • Its biology whose smarter then u

      @IgnusNilsen@IgnusNilsen6 жыл бұрын
    • idling dove nice thinking on evolution, poor thinking mathematically. Did you even watch the video the Golden ratio was the ultimate randomness factor because it is the 1/(1+1/(1+...)))... so 1/e would be less 'irrational'. On the other hand their could have been 1/e sunflowers already that also got beaten out by the Golden Ratio ones. Also maybe some sunflowers are closer to the golden ratio than others and they are still evolving towards that perfect design (only to go extinct due to completely unrelated climate or ecological changes).

      @brcoutme@brcoutme6 жыл бұрын
    • I believe there are still some plants that use a slightly less irrational number in the angular spacing of their branches. Maybe evolution is satisfied or is still busy optimising

      @geoff7936@geoff79366 жыл бұрын
  • This exchange was absolutely captivating; consequently, I was completely entranced by the lecturer's presentation of the subject matter. I could listen to this man speak about mathematics all day. These statements are coming from someone who has historically always had a feeling of dread when approaching math. This man's enthusiasm overrode the dread and made me want to learn and participate.

    @BulletTheEnforcer@BulletTheEnforcer5 жыл бұрын
  • This is amazing!! I always wanted to know a bit about the sunflower patterns. Can you post the GeoGebra file of the simulation... It would be great. Thank you.

    @aleksandarprodanov4454@aleksandarprodanov44544 жыл бұрын
  • "The words a bit are not mathematically recognized terminology" Computer scientists: :/

    @christophercaron3042@christophercaron30423 жыл бұрын
  • 0:23 that joke, though

    @soyitiel@soyitiel5 жыл бұрын
  • So this was the point of lesson 5... Arigato, Gyro...

    @Denpasuzy@Denpasuzy6 жыл бұрын
    • Darkness! Get back to Kazuma!

      @hollandgraves1912@hollandgraves19125 жыл бұрын
    • It took 6 comments to get to a JoJo reference. It’s a new record

      @mickginny6075@mickginny60755 жыл бұрын
    • "Arigatou, Gyro..." "I think that's all I can say" ~Johnny Joestar

      @abbacchio2502@abbacchio25025 жыл бұрын
    • unexpected jojo

      @memelordmarcus@memelordmarcus4 жыл бұрын
  • We tend to think in decimals, that's why it seems so weird to us. But just by reinterpreting the value (here by presenting it by fractions within fractions) it suddenly makes much more sense. It's just there, it's natural and intuitive. We just don't use the perfectly intuitive number system. I wonder if there is one that would allow us to advance the mathematics faster, but I guess, we already have the knowledge to experiment on other systems and it has already been done for some time now,

    @Malkovith2@Malkovith29 ай бұрын
  • I've studied about the golden ratio many times and nothing in this video is new to me, but this is an amazing summary and really blew my mind. I love it!

    @blabby102@blabby1026 жыл бұрын
    • Cheers

      @numberphile@numberphile6 жыл бұрын
    • Now if only I could actually figure out the arcane nightmare that is Quadratic Equations as explained by a rather garbage textbook, I could at least say I had that much in math.

      @hariman7727@hariman77275 жыл бұрын
    • @@hariman7727 its easy, watch a video about it

      @dickrichads1979@dickrichads19795 жыл бұрын
  • My most excellent digital guitar effects pedal has a setting on it called the "Golden Ratio" (related to the number and style of delayed repeats to an input tone) and I always wondered why it sounded so musical and pleasing no matter what I played into it. I got a lot out of this video and even broke out my trusty hp 12c calculator to follow along. Thanks. Am a new subscriber.

    @taylorfusion@taylorfusion5 жыл бұрын
  • This is a wonderful explanation of irrational numbers, and it gives me an entirely different perspective on "the golden ratio". Thank you!

    @breakthrough3091@breakthrough30914 жыл бұрын
  • just WHOW. best video ive seen today. wont be able to get it out from mind and keep thinking about how gorgeously this man explains.

    @NueUzrnem@NueUzrnem3 жыл бұрын
  • This channel never ceases to amaze me

    @TheRealHarsjan@TheRealHarsjan6 жыл бұрын
  • completing the square - man, that's throwing back the years to my school life

    @AlonsoRules@AlonsoRules6 жыл бұрын
  • I first came across this property of phi in golden angle-based MRI approaches as part of my doctoral studies. The basic idea is that when you're scanning, the thing you're scanning is evolving with time, but you can only scan one point in k-space at a time. (k-space is a spatial frequency space, but you could think of it as real/image space without losing the take-home here.) If you want to get the "most uncorrelated" data and therefore use your scan time most wisely, or if you want to be able to bin your scans and create a timeseries that "shares" data in a window as it evolves, you should scan in golden angle spirals.

    @pondrthis1@pondrthis13 жыл бұрын
  • 13:39 right around there you can see it unwrapping as it becomes 1/2.

    @progect3548@progect35483 жыл бұрын
  • I want an app that will let me do that spirally thing.

    @HansLemurson@HansLemurson5 жыл бұрын
    • I think they probably used Processing (processing.org)

      @mgregory22@mgregory225 жыл бұрын
    • The app is called... just about any programming language. As an added bonus, they also lets you do every else that is computable.

      @stanleydodds9@stanleydodds95 жыл бұрын
    • I‘m pretty sure you‘ll find something like that on Wolfram Demonstrations...

      @ponsi83@ponsi834 жыл бұрын
    • I wonder why the hippies didn't use this video to represent hippiness?

      @JosueMartinez-ww1vj@JosueMartinez-ww1vj4 жыл бұрын
    • let an indian do it for 15$

      @SexySnorlax@SexySnorlax4 жыл бұрын
  • The bumps on my popcorn ceiling were moving similarly to 3:30 when I was on shrooms 🤔

    @TheDaedalus07o@TheDaedalus07o5 жыл бұрын
  • That was nicely done, someone has finally made math interesting to me.

    @noid7500@noid75004 жыл бұрын
  • Thanks much prof Ben . I loved this video and i cant stop seeing it again n again

    @bachirblackers7299@bachirblackers72993 жыл бұрын
  • the pattern of the last flower animation was 1, 5, 4, 3, 5, 2, 2, 5, 3, 4, 5, 1 amount of spokes

    @AmateurSuperFan@AmateurSuperFan5 жыл бұрын
  • this is incredibly interesting, and explained very well.

    @vincent-ls9lz@vincent-ls9lz5 жыл бұрын
  • I can't explain what I've felt watching this video... simply amazing, thanks a lot

    @alvaromartinbrito3561@alvaromartinbrito35613 жыл бұрын
  • Thank you, finally this is explained easily! They always mention this in math classes and nature shows, and I've always seen this explanation of cutting golden rectangles into pieces forming a spiral that looks nothing like a flower, and then some sort of a half-assed explanation of, "see, you can form a spiral with the golden rectangle, so spirals in nature contain golden ratios and fibonacci sequences," always leaving me thinking the golden spiral looks nothing like the spirals in sunflowers, and that any rectangle can be cut into a spiral, thus a totally useless explantion. Thank you for fixing this. Finally!

    @telejeff@telejeff Жыл бұрын
  • I don't understand half of it but it sounds and looks cool! Nice video

    @zeromailss@zeromailss6 жыл бұрын
  • I need to learn more math. This actually is super interesting!. I've been lacking omitvation to learn triangles in highschool but these videos really motivate me to get to know the intrications of our numeric system

    @benjaminbustamante7924@benjaminbustamante79244 жыл бұрын
  • Excellent and very clear explanation of the particular irrationality of Phi, very illuminating!

    @nucderpuck@nucderpuck4 жыл бұрын
  • Great Job! Well explained!!! Thanks for the excellent and cool explanations.

    @RSLT@RSLT Жыл бұрын
  • Thanks! I known this. And yet... Now I have the feeling I deeply understand it, which is quite different. This is the power of the Numberphile videos. So, thanks again

    @DagUTube@DagUTube5 жыл бұрын
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