The Silver Ratio - Numberphile

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The silver ratio (and other metals) with Tony Padilla.
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  • why use scissors? just use a numberfile.

    @SpeakShibboleth@SpeakShibboleth6 жыл бұрын
    • This joke is the pinnacle of this channel! We can all go home now. :^p

      @graduator14@graduator146 жыл бұрын
    • Under appreciated pun

      @poisonpotato1@poisonpotato16 жыл бұрын
    • oof.

      @Sunshine11229@Sunshine112295 жыл бұрын
    • Nice.

      @asad210@asad2105 жыл бұрын
    • Ba Dum Tss (seriously, though, that was a legendary pun)

      @tylerhecht3360@tylerhecht33605 жыл бұрын
  • The animator does an incredible job!

    @TNTPablo@TNTPablo6 жыл бұрын
    • Thanks :)

      @thesuomi8550@thesuomi85506 жыл бұрын
    • Thanks. (it was me)

      @Stilllife1999@Stilllife19996 жыл бұрын
    • Yeah, numberphile's animations have gotten better over time. I also like how they're low key and in that same brown-paper hand-drawn style.

      @eyflfla@eyflfla6 жыл бұрын
    • @@thesuomi8550 no thanks, me it was!

      @nowonmetube@nowonmetube5 жыл бұрын
    • @@Stilllife1999 no, me x)

      @nowonmetube@nowonmetube5 жыл бұрын
  • Can't wait for the Bronze ratio and the Honorable Mention ratios :)

    @kevinmackie4045@kevinmackie40455 жыл бұрын
    • Participation ratios

      @dielaughing73@dielaughing732 жыл бұрын
    • Can’t forget the steel ratio

      @jwcfive7999@jwcfive79992 жыл бұрын
    • 🤣

      @geraldsnodd@geraldsnodd2 жыл бұрын
    • I'm holding out for the tin ratio

      @myboatforacar@myboatforacar2 жыл бұрын
    • Then there's the CdB ratio. No; not Cadmium Boride: It's the 'Could do Better' ratio.

      @RWBHere@RWBHere Жыл бұрын
  • sqrt(2): _happily exists irrationally_ Tony: now this *ratio*

    @cuitaro@cuitaro8 ай бұрын
  • That sounds like a way to count seconds. One-bonacci, two-bonacci, three-bonacci...

    @distraughtification@distraughtification6 жыл бұрын
    • tb to the americans cant count video

      @maishamohiuddin297@maishamohiuddin2976 жыл бұрын
    • _one-bonacci_ _two-bonacci_ _red-bonacci_ _blue-bonacci_

      @otakuribo@otakuribo6 жыл бұрын
    • Count von Count says, One-bonacci, two-bonacci, three-bonacci, AH AH AH AH!

      @MushookieMan@MushookieMan6 жыл бұрын
    • One-bonacci, two-bonacci, three-bonacci, four. Five-bonacci, six-bonacci, seven-bonacci, more.

      @klaxoncow@klaxoncow6 жыл бұрын
    • One-bonacci, two-bonacci, three-bonacci, four. Four bonaccis make a metallic ratio and so do many more!

      @assassin01620@assassin016206 жыл бұрын
  • "Metallic Ratio" is the name of my new Tool tribute band.

    @jeremyheminger6882@jeremyheminger68826 жыл бұрын
    • Nice.

      @MisterAppleEsq@MisterAppleEsq6 жыл бұрын
    • Woah Mister Apple what're you doing in this comment section?

      @fossilfighters101@fossilfighters1016 жыл бұрын
    • Are you going to produce n-bonacci variants of Lateralus?

      @Pfhorrest@Pfhorrest6 жыл бұрын
    • Jeremy Heminger lol

      @clyde8759@clyde87596 жыл бұрын
    • +fossilfighters101 I mean, right now I'm replying to your comment.

      @MisterAppleEsq@MisterAppleEsq6 жыл бұрын
  • Amazing! Had no idea these existed.

    @Artifexian@Artifexian6 жыл бұрын
    • Had no idea you watched numberphile. Ive been following you since 4000 subs

      @cuzeverynameistaken1283@cuzeverynameistaken12836 жыл бұрын
    • Hey Edgar!

      @harry_page@harry_page6 жыл бұрын
    • Yup! Numberphile is one of my favourite channels.

      @Artifexian@Artifexian6 жыл бұрын
    • It's one of everybody's favourite channels!

      @natheniel@natheniel6 жыл бұрын
    • PBS Infinite Series had a video on these. If you like Numberphile, you'll probably also like them!

      @unvergebeneid@unvergebeneid6 жыл бұрын
  • I also like the fact that the golden ratio is pronounced as *fi* (phi) and it can be found in the *fi* bonacci sequence

    @matin563@matin5635 жыл бұрын
    • That's why it is called fi

      @damianzieba5133@damianzieba51332 жыл бұрын
    • @@damianzieba5133 phi is for Φειδίας

      @EtienneBotek@EtienneBotek2 жыл бұрын
    • So do I 😎. Φbonacci.

      @PC_Simo@PC_Simo Жыл бұрын
    • @@PC_Simo Shouldn't it be φbonacci instead of φibonacci? φ sounds like fi, not not f.

      @alexandermcclure6185@alexandermcclure6185 Жыл бұрын
    • @@alexandermcclure6185 True. I think my train of thought changed, mid-word. 🤔😅 *EDIT:* I made the correction ✅😌👍🏻.

      @PC_Simo@PC_Simo Жыл бұрын
  • This video and the golden ratio (why so irrational) video were the most fascinating two videos I have ever seen on this channel. I hope you guys do more videos on these metallic ratios and how weird they are

    @AdeptAscent@AdeptAscent6 жыл бұрын
    • They aren't weird; They are constant.

      @markiyanhapyak349@markiyanhapyak3495 жыл бұрын
  • 6:40 P=NP solved

    @brnsndwch@brnsndwch5 жыл бұрын
    • Hah. That made me laugh.

      @efulmer8675@efulmer86753 жыл бұрын
  • *REPETITION REPETITION REPETITION*

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      @prasanttwo281@prasanttwo2816 жыл бұрын
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      @Ready4Music@Ready4Music6 жыл бұрын
    • Akshat K Agarwal *REPITITION REPITITION REPITITION REPITITION REPITITION REPITITION REPITITION REPITITION REPITITION REPITITION REPITITION REPITITION REPITITION REPITITION REPITITION REPITITION REPITITION REPITITION REPITITION REPITITION REPITITION*

      @CarelessMiss@CarelessMiss6 жыл бұрын
  • I especially love Numberphile videos that provide generalizations, revealing the wider mathematical landscape extending from and encompassing a better known starting point.

    @flymypg@flymypg6 жыл бұрын
  • The ratios are winning some medals here

    @jamezer7revel471@jamezer7revel4716 жыл бұрын
    • Just the gold counts.. the rest are participation trophies

      @Advection357@Advection3576 жыл бұрын
    • Hopefully no one MEDDLES in the award ceremony

      @thelastspartanS117@thelastspartanS1176 жыл бұрын
    • Im sure the ratios have the Mettle to withstand such buffoonery

      @thelastspartanS117@thelastspartanS1176 жыл бұрын
    • It’s Gold = 1 Silver = 2 Bronze = 3 Just like medals in the Olympics.

      @anticorncob6@anticorncob66 жыл бұрын
    • Jamezer7 Revel I think you meant 'metals'. Not medals. ;-)

      @debayanbanerjee@debayanbanerjee6 жыл бұрын
  • The continued fractions are cool too and worth a mention: Golden ratio: 1 + 1 / (1 + 1 / (1 + 1 / (…))) Silver ration: 2 + 1 / (2 + 1 / (2 + 1 / (…))) Etc. Furthermore, you could expand into real numbers, with e.g. 3/2 giving an alloy of Gold and Silver, i.e. Electrum: 0, 1, 3/2, 13/4, 51/8, 205/16, 819/32, … which quickly converges to a ratio of 2. Let's call 2 the Electric Ratio. The numerators of the fractions follow an interesting pattern: 3 * 4 + 1 = 13 13 * 4 - 1 = 51 51 * 4 + 1 = 205 205 * 4 - 1 = 819 Etc.

    @matthijshebly@matthijshebly5 жыл бұрын
  • Britain; home of the Aluminium Falcon.

    @TheInselaffen@TheInselaffen6 жыл бұрын
    • Sounds like an odd crossover of Iron Man and Falcon from Marvel...

      @halyoalex8942@halyoalex89423 жыл бұрын
  • I’ve been on YT for like 12 yrs and this ranks in one of my favourite videos ever. Thank you so much.

    @pakfu@pakfu6 жыл бұрын
  • Of course, the Golden Ratio has the special property of allowing [Infinite Spin] according to the ancient Zeppeli family technique

    @WolfWalrus@WolfWalrus6 жыл бұрын
    • and the silver ratio allows for the almost-infinite spin

      @zanly5039@zanly50394 жыл бұрын
    • @@zanly5039 ah yes, the TREE(3) spin, not infinite, but stupidly big!

      @rubenbohorquez5673@rubenbohorquez56734 жыл бұрын
    • I see what you did there, fellow JoJo fan :

      @roskataka2574@roskataka25743 жыл бұрын
    • the Golden Ratio also allows cripples on a horse and a wheelchair to walk... its amazing what math can do

      @ramiroseltzer5278@ramiroseltzer52783 жыл бұрын
    • @@zanly5039 no its for polnareffs silver chariot to spin

      @yazanabdalluh6251@yazanabdalluh62512 жыл бұрын
  • So, I love the format of your videos! Someone who's passionate about something explaining it to the viewer/Brady as if just having a conversation. Brady seems to talk juuust enough and asks the perfect questions to make the conversation flow. Plus these recent animations are top shelf art!

    @angst_@angst_6 жыл бұрын
  • surely then, the 49° one should become the peregrine ratio?

    @SNNTV3000@SNNTV30006 жыл бұрын
    • Ooh yeah!

      @fossilfighters101@fossilfighters1016 жыл бұрын
    • It needs to be named after a metal. Aluminium is actually really nice for this purpose, as it's associated with aviation, which in turn is associated with birds.

      @TheOzumat@TheOzumat6 жыл бұрын
    • Or "Pippin" for short.

      @theRealPlaidRabbit@theRealPlaidRabbit6 жыл бұрын
    • Compromise and call it the Aluminium Falcon ratio?

      @benjaminmiller3620@benjaminmiller36206 жыл бұрын
    • @@benjaminmiller3620 Peregrin-inium

      @rewrose2838@rewrose28383 жыл бұрын
  • Wow! I did not know The Great Wave of Hokusai is geometric designs.

    @OlbaidFractalium@OlbaidFractalium6 жыл бұрын
    • yeah, if you fudge the results enough.

      @WildAnimalChannel@WildAnimalChannel6 жыл бұрын
    • Looks more like a dragon curve to me.

      @donaldasayers@donaldasayers6 жыл бұрын
    • Hokusai >>> Hokuspokus

      @pleindespoir@pleindespoir6 жыл бұрын
    • Yeah, there was a *lot* of fudging required to make that painting fit the desired spirals. The best match was the middle spiral, and even there they had to cheat by jumping from the inside to the outside of the wave to get an overlap that ran for more than two and a half "squares". To fit the big spiral, they had to use two completely separate waves, half the length of the spiral matched nothing, and half of one of the waves didn't match. The small spiral didn't match at all; you could have claimed numerous random shapes matched as well as that small spiral.

      @BainesMkII@BainesMkII6 жыл бұрын
    • Isn't it Kanagawa?

      @genghiskhan6688@genghiskhan66886 жыл бұрын
  • As a marine biologist, I love these. Forms like this pop up all over the undersea world, especially among invertebrates. Well done!

    @nakamakai5553@nakamakai55535 жыл бұрын
    • Ocean studies are underrated 💙

      @WhiteChocolate74@WhiteChocolate742 жыл бұрын
  • All of these ratios are very important, integral even, to design in modern artisitic origami; especially the most usual kind that develops from a single, uncut square, to the finished model. You could perhaps talk to luminaries of the field such as Dr. Robert Lang for the intersection betweeen mathematics, origami, and it's real world applications.

    @DeathlyTired@DeathlyTired6 жыл бұрын
    • Wow!

      @markiyanhapyak349@markiyanhapyak3495 жыл бұрын
  • omg I hate when my nails looks like goddamn polygons xD

    @SteamPunkLV@SteamPunkLV6 жыл бұрын
    • Yeah, I didn't know people trimmed their nails like that. I usually cut them by the side then tear the rest off.

      @ziquaftynny9285@ziquaftynny92856 жыл бұрын
    • Ziquafty Nny that’s not human

      @munro22@munro226 жыл бұрын
    • No u

      @ziquaftynny9285@ziquaftynny92856 жыл бұрын
    • Ziquafty Nny yes me

      @EchoHeo@EchoHeo6 жыл бұрын
    • I bite my nails. So much easier

      @UnderscoreZeroLP@UnderscoreZeroLP6 жыл бұрын
  • "Copper, nickel... aluminium?" That one cracked me up. Awesome content as always. I'll have to use these metallic ratios in my photo cropping (I've used the golden rectangle but then defaulted to boring ratios like 1:2, 1:3, etc.)

    @leoangere5310@leoangere53105 жыл бұрын
  • I love things that use root(2) anywhere in them.

    @torin1006@torin10066 жыл бұрын
    • 1.41421356237309504880168872420969807856967...

      @void9720@void97205 жыл бұрын
  • Prof. TONY! The ratio videos are awesome!

    @unknown360ful@unknown360ful6 жыл бұрын
  • I'm always enlightened by the enthusiasm You mathematicians on this channel have. ITs a delight. Thank You.

    @popogast@popogast6 жыл бұрын
  • 7:20 That's the solution to x² - Nx - 1

    @jerombastiaansen9495@jerombastiaansen94955 жыл бұрын
    • Wow, makes so much sense, as phi's value is x^2 - x - 1, you just multiply that degree 1 x with some number to get these ratios

      @ultra6334@ultra63342 жыл бұрын
  • Love Tony's videos!

    @manueldelrio7147@manueldelrio71476 жыл бұрын
  • A ratio for every element

    @thatsleepytitan769@thatsleepytitan7696 жыл бұрын
    • Golden ratio should be hydrogen ratio then

      @Henrix1998@Henrix19986 жыл бұрын
    • S U L P H U R S P I R A L

      @Smittel@Smittel6 жыл бұрын
    • Yes

      @briandiehl9257@briandiehl92576 жыл бұрын
    • Except bronze, which is an alloy. It's quite upsetting when you think about it.

      @kuro13wolf@kuro13wolf6 жыл бұрын
    • Rhyme Bito copper turns green tho. You don't want a green medal do ya?

      @Smittel@Smittel6 жыл бұрын
  • Fantastic episode! One of my absolute favorites!

    @whjk83921@whjk839216 жыл бұрын
  • Great to see Tony Padilla back!! Love the ratio videos

    @yogitshankar6348@yogitshankar63486 жыл бұрын
  • What would the ratio for the phi-bonacci sequence be called?

    @benjaminolanderrasmussen3049@benjaminolanderrasmussen30496 жыл бұрын
    • i was thinking the exact same thing

      @ericluque6573@ericluque65736 жыл бұрын
    • Eric Luque. When you remember the numberphile videos that you have recently watched :)

      @benjaminolanderrasmussen3049@benjaminolanderrasmussen30496 жыл бұрын
    • the very golden ratio

      @heyandy889@heyandy8896 жыл бұрын
    • The golden-golden ratio. Plug it in to (N+sqrt(N^2+4))/2 - > The golden golden golden ratio, plug it in to (N+sqrt(N^2+4))/2 -> The golden golden golden golden ratio. Etc.

      @primarysecondaryxd@primarysecondaryxd6 жыл бұрын
    • Or π-bonacci?

      @BubbaJ18@BubbaJ185 жыл бұрын
  • Ahh, this makes more sense People would always overlay the golden ratio spiral over everything, even when it didn't fit, and it never made any visual sense to me. Now I know why... long story short, idiot conspiracy theories who know nothing about maths have been misleading me to the nature of logarithmic spirals.

    @wanderingrandomer@wanderingrandomer6 жыл бұрын
    • The golden ratio also appears in photography, which I wouldn't call idiotic nor conspiratory, but maybe in need of aditional information. But I would call New Age idiotic, since some New Agers use the fibonacci sequence as well as elements of quantum physics as proofs for their New Age teachings.

      @MarvinFalz@MarvinFalz5 жыл бұрын
    • your short story was as long as your long story

      @mwu365@mwu3654 жыл бұрын
    • same here. woodworking school is kinda obsessed with the golden ratio bcs"so pleasing" blabla finally there is light :)

      @Homs86@Homs864 жыл бұрын
    • Well, it IS a JoJo reference

      @bruhmoment1835@bruhmoment18353 жыл бұрын
  • I love using golden section in music. I learned so much about this studying Bela Bartok scores back in the 70s and 80s.

    5 жыл бұрын
  • Excellent extension of the Golden Ratio. I love it!

    @acerovalderas@acerovalderas4 жыл бұрын
  • I noticed some similar properties to the silver ratio to the golden ratio a while back. 1 / (2^0.5 + 1) = 2^0 .5 - 1 1 / ( 2^0.5 - 1) = 2^0.5 + 1 and a few others.

    @cbbuntz@cbbuntz6 жыл бұрын
    • This is not related to the ratios

      @3c3k@3c3k2 жыл бұрын
    • @@3c3k Actually it is. It's related to pell number generation

      @cbbuntz@cbbuntz2 жыл бұрын
    • @@cbbuntz Have you not learned surds in school?

      @3c3k@3c3k2 жыл бұрын
  • I really enjoyed watching Brady with the camera in the window reflection! Neat little "behind the scenes included"

    @AnthonyYandow@AnthonyYandow6 жыл бұрын
  • I love his enthusiasm for everything!

    @captainroll@captainroll6 жыл бұрын
  • Pete's animations often elevate Numberphile videos into something beautiful as well as informative.

    @iAmTheSquidThing@iAmTheSquidThing6 жыл бұрын
  • An interesting thing about logarithmic spirals is that you can use them to define the analytic extansion of the zeta function.

    @rider2fois@rider2fois3 жыл бұрын
  • They're not really logarithmic spirals, though, are they? A true logarithmic spiral isn't piecewice circles.

    @MasterHigure@MasterHigure6 жыл бұрын
    • The formula is correct, but the whole "circles inside squares" thing is just an approximation.

      @Tumbolisu@Tumbolisu6 жыл бұрын
    • The spiral he drew was the golden rectangle spiral, not the golden spiral. Another spiral that approximates both of them is the Fibonacci spiral, in which successive Fibonacci rectangles are used in place of the golden rectangle.

      @stevethecatcouch6532@stevethecatcouch65326 жыл бұрын
    • Dr Gerbils But isn't each of those successive Fibonacci rectangles, created each time a square is added, itself a golden rectangle, that is one whose aspect ratio is golden?

      @chrisg3030@chrisg30306 жыл бұрын
    • Chris G, No, the aspect ratio of a Fibonacci rectangle is only approximately the golden ratio. For example, 13/8 = 1.625, not 1.618 ...

      @stevethecatcouch6532@stevethecatcouch65326 жыл бұрын
    • Dr Gerbils I think I get it. "A golden rectangle with longer side a and shorter side b, when placed adjacent to a square with sides of length a, will produce a similar golden rectangle with longer side a + b and shorter side a. This illustrates the relationship (a+b)/a = a/b = Phi" (Wikipedia). Rectangles with Fibonacci number sides only approximate to this relationship. But if true golden rectangles were successively formed in this structure instead, what kind of spiral would result?

      @chrisg3030@chrisg30306 жыл бұрын
  • I love your channel! It's absolutely amazing!

    @prathameshsundaram7509@prathameshsundaram75094 жыл бұрын
  • It's just so fascinating how mathematics show up literally *everywhere* you look! Of course I've seen these spirals everywhere, but I've just never though about how you could describe them using mathematics. Fascinating!

    @LMacNeill@LMacNeill6 жыл бұрын
  • Man, the animations are getting trippier by the video.

    @ThePrimevalVoid@ThePrimevalVoid6 жыл бұрын
  • OMG I just learned about the Silver ratio in Persona 5 and Numberphile uploaded a video about it, am I on something lol?

    @kinshukdua@kinshukdua6 жыл бұрын
  • Great video! I particularly enjoyed this one

    @Ruxinator@Ruxinator6 жыл бұрын
  • This person is awesome! I need to find more videos of them!

    @angry4rtichoke646@angry4rtichoke6463 жыл бұрын
  • What about a super metallic ratio where the ratio is between the golden ratio & silver ratio, silver ratio & bronze ratio, etc.

    @garrettkrawczyk9414@garrettkrawczyk94146 жыл бұрын
    • Using the formula (n + sqrt(4 + n^2))/2, so that when n=1 we get the golden ratio, and when n=2 we get the silver, then when n=1.5 we get the ratio exactly 2. Now if we construct a regular figure with the number of sides equal to the number under the radical, then it would be interesting to look at a figure with 6.25 sides to compare diagonal lengths on and see if any of them are in an exact 2:1 ratio, just as you get a silver ratio for a similar operation in an octagon. How would you interpret that? I tried a hexagon with a side produced by a quarter beyond the join with the next.

      @chrisg3030@chrisg30306 жыл бұрын
    • @@chrisg3030 when I did the calculation for what I'm calling the half-bonacci, i.e. where N=0.5, I get the ratio to be (1+sqrt17)/4 Not sure where you got 2 from

      @RaunienTheFirst@RaunienTheFirst5 жыл бұрын
    • RaunienThe First I got the denominator 2 from the formula at 7:21. I plugged in 1.5 in place of N since this value is half way between 1 (plugging in which gives you the Golden ratio) and 2 (plugging in which gives the silver ratio), and seemed to be what Garret Krawczyk was asking for, rather than the half-bonacci of 0.5. So with mine we get (1.5 + sqrt(4 + 1.5^2))/2 which gives a sequence ratio constant of exactly 2. Moreover for the Golden ratio the number under the radical in the formula is 5, for the silver it's 8, but for this intermediate case it's 6.25, so I was (not quite seriously) imagining a figure with 6.25 sides. Your figure would have 17 sides which sounds interesting..

      @chrisg3030@chrisg30305 жыл бұрын
    • so an 18-Karat ratio ...

      @geoffroi-le-Hook@geoffroi-le-Hook3 жыл бұрын
  • Damn the ending was hilarious 😂😂

    @philosofickle@philosofickle6 жыл бұрын
  • The animations are getting better in each new video :D

    @Difulsif@Difulsif6 жыл бұрын
  • I love watching this channel because it makes you feel as if you stopped by the maths nerd's office and they just started to explain to you this cool math thing.

    @zyrota4295@zyrota42952 жыл бұрын
  • Im 27 years old and I just found out what the metal part of a ruler was for... Thanks Numberphile!

    @properbeatz@properbeatz6 жыл бұрын
    • How did you not think about that yourself

      @nowonmetube@nowonmetube5 жыл бұрын
  • 9:10 I never thought that watching a numberphile episode would be useful in persona 5

    @mioszchrzempiec4429@mioszchrzempiec44294 жыл бұрын
  • The animation on this video is really satisfying!

    @amydebuitleir@amydebuitleir6 жыл бұрын
  • This leaves me with so many more questions than answers

    @hadhave7961@hadhave79615 жыл бұрын
  • Could you not use this Pell Sequence to find very large primes? Since the numbers in the sequence grow exponentially faster than the position, couldn't you calculate the number in the (very large prime)th position to find a gargantuan prime?

    @dkamm65@dkamm656 жыл бұрын
    • The 7th pell number is 169, which is 13^2. All pell primes have prime indexes, but not all prime indexes correspond to pell primes. You might call them "pell pseudoprimes".

      @user-ct1ns6zw4z@user-ct1ns6zw4z6 жыл бұрын
    • I thought the same thing, and another person besides you in the comments section as well. If there isn't a sequence that could find prime numbers. But if there is, we surely still haven't found it yet.

      @nowonmetube@nowonmetube5 жыл бұрын
  • Interesting video! I'm curious though, have imaginary analogues to the metallic ratios been explored?

    @quantumhorizon@quantumhorizon6 жыл бұрын
    • ooo, interesting. Could you iterate a sequence of imaginary numbers?

      @G8tr1522@G8tr15222 жыл бұрын
  • I'm so glad I clicked on this! Always had my doubts on nature sticking to one single ratio, seemed to simple.

    @vincentvanveen4436@vincentvanveen44363 жыл бұрын
  • So the Pell sequence features 13^2=169, which is interesting as the Fibonacci sequence features 12^2=144.

    @Banana_Split_Cream_Buns@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns7 ай бұрын
  • i haven't watched the video yet but i assume this is about some sort of a parker ratio

    @saidatulhusna1533@saidatulhusna15336 жыл бұрын
    • I legit thought it would be about electrum or the gold standard

      @jogiff@jogiff6 жыл бұрын
    • Saidatul Husna not really lol but that’s what I thought

      @CaseyShontz@CaseyShontz5 жыл бұрын
    • I like the Parker ratio but I prefer Parker squares

      @steph_dreams@steph_dreams5 жыл бұрын
  • Hey Numberphile! I recently was playing around with numbers and i came up with a rediculous fractal-like fraction (here is the first bit of it): ((((1/2)/(3/4))/((5/6)/(7/8)))/(((9/10)/(11/12))/((13/14)/(15/16)))) I hope you understand how it's built up. Then i wanted to see what this equals, and the larger i made the fraction, the closer it got to sqrt(2)/2: (1/2)=0.5 ((1/2)/(3/4))=0.666... (((1/2)/(3/4))/((5/6)/(7/8)))=0.7 ((((1/2)/(3/4)... (13/14)/(15/16)))) =0.7061728395... (((((1/2)/(3/4)... (29/30)/(31/32)))))=0.707023939... ((((((1/2)/(3/4)... (61/62)/(63/64))))))=0.7071021245... (I had to trick my calculator in a certain way to let me calculate this last equation, so the result might be slightly off) sqrt(2)/2 equals 0.7071067812... so the last result is equal for the first 5 digits after the decimal point. Now my question: If you continue this process infinitely, does the fraction actually converge towards sqrt(2)/2? And is there a way to prove it?

    @sebastianzaczek@sebastianzaczek6 жыл бұрын
    • DerSibbe i think they call that a convergence...

      @unclejoeoakland@unclejoeoakland6 жыл бұрын
    • but a fraction cannot be irrational so I think this assertion is incorrect

      @mannyheffley9551@mannyheffley95516 жыл бұрын
    • FReaKIng FReqUEncIEs i was thinking that too, on the other end however this fraction is theoretically infinite....

      @sebastianzaczek@sebastianzaczek6 жыл бұрын
    • so then it is possibly irrational

      @mannyheffley9551@mannyheffley95516 жыл бұрын
    • FReaKIng FReqUEncIEs exactly... and there we start to need a proof... no idea how to proove/disproove it though...

      @sebastianzaczek@sebastianzaczek6 жыл бұрын
  • Fantastic! I love Numberphile!

    @ricardovalentin5056@ricardovalentin50565 жыл бұрын
  • Beautiful fractal geometry!!!

    @user-pq7dy9op6y@user-pq7dy9op6y6 жыл бұрын
  • "We can easily work out how much you've cut off" You didn't have to explain anything for me to know the answer- too much.

    @someweeb3650@someweeb36505 жыл бұрын
  • I’m gonna start a support group for Americans who pronounce “H” as “Haych,” and “Z” as “zed”

    @Funkotronimus@Funkotronimus6 жыл бұрын
    • Bob Trenwith that's the point, he's supporting those Americans tbat pronounce it that way

      @RiamiAurum@RiamiAurum6 жыл бұрын
    • I thought these guys were based in the UK. So wouldn't it make sense for them to say hache and zed???

      @izicial7469@izicial74696 жыл бұрын
    • As a foreigner, pronouncing h as 'eich' instead of 'heich' actually saves breath since your tongue isn't optimised for English. But Americans have no reason to because they're hecking native.

      @ratlinggull2223@ratlinggull22236 жыл бұрын
    • Saying haytch isn't british

      @UnderscoreZeroLP@UnderscoreZeroLP6 жыл бұрын
    • +Underscore Zero it is when you want to read something over the phone and you don't want the recipient to think you're saying "eight". Yes, I know you can use the Phonetic Alphabet (which I learned almost before I could read ;-) but people are lazy :-P

      @PhilBoswell@PhilBoswell6 жыл бұрын
  • Very informational Tony. Thank you.

    @stevefrandsen@stevefrandsen6 жыл бұрын
  • Thank you. I didn't know about these other ratios.

    @davidcampos1463@davidcampos14636 жыл бұрын
  • Big in Japan lol

    @st0ox@st0ox6 жыл бұрын
    • Savage

      @nowonmetube@nowonmetube5 жыл бұрын
  • Don't forget to phile those nails when your finnished;;

    @deanwinchest3906@deanwinchest39066 жыл бұрын
    • Why would he need to do that?

      @briandiehl9257@briandiehl92576 жыл бұрын
    • Brian Diehl thought it was mildly ironic to title/intro... Maybe a bit over the head✈️🐒

      @deanwinchest3906@deanwinchest39066 жыл бұрын
    • I was thinking he could just turn the scissors when he is cutting and avoid all of this

      @briandiehl9257@briandiehl92576 жыл бұрын
    • Brian Diehl I prefer the old throw away dollar store *fingernail clippers* myself😄

      @deanwinchest3906@deanwinchest39066 жыл бұрын
  • i learn so many new words watching these videos. hache, maths, etc...

    @p23570@p235704 жыл бұрын
  • This video is PURE GOLD!!!

    @WillToWinvlog@WillToWinvlog6 жыл бұрын
  • Does the Metallic Ratio Spirals have arc-length limits, or are they "infinitely long"? :O Like 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + ... tends to 1 after infinite iterations. Does someone know the answer?

    @caiheang@caiheang6 жыл бұрын
    • The arc length of a quarter circle is pi/4*r where r is the radius. Therefore the arclength of a spiral with ratio 1/delta is (starting with r=1) pi/4*(1+1/delta+1/delta^2+...)=pi/4*delta/(delta-1)

      @mxpxorsist@mxpxorsist6 жыл бұрын
    • As you go inwards, the arc length converges just as the integral of θe^θ from negative infinity to zero converges.

      @badrunnaimal-faraby309@badrunnaimal-faraby3096 жыл бұрын
    • The arc length of a section decreases by a constant factor (1 over the ratio), so the geometric series describes the total length. Geometric series converges when the factor is less than 1, which it is because the sections are getting smaller.

      @littlebigphil@littlebigphil6 жыл бұрын
  • What is the ratio for 1, 1, 1, 3, 5, 9, 17, 31,… always adding the previous three values to get the next?

    @kujmous@kujmous6 жыл бұрын
    • Kinda ugly ratio: 1/3(1+ cuberoot(19 - 3sqrt(33)) + cuberoot(19 + 3sqrt(33))) Which is about 1.84. Seems to converge pretty fast, 17*1.84 = 31.28 It's the root to this equation: r^3 - r^2 - r - 1 = 0 Because if we write it out in its recursive form: P_n = P_(n-1) + P_(n-2) + P_(n-3) Then divide to get the ratio: r = (P_n)/(P_(n-1)) = 1 + (P_(n-2))/(P_(n-1)) + (P_(n-3))/(P_(n-1)) We notice that as n->infinity, this equation tends to: r = 1 + 1/r + 1/r^2 Then we simply multiply by r^2 and bring everything to the other side.

      @user-ct1ns6zw4z@user-ct1ns6zw4z6 жыл бұрын
    • wouldn't it be 1, 1, 2, 4, 7, 13, 24 .... as ϵ+1+1 = 2 not 1 as you seem to suggest?

      @IBioPoxI@IBioPoxI6 жыл бұрын
    • Ben Fowler To me this is syraight out of /r/vxjunkies

      @chrisroller1397@chrisroller13976 жыл бұрын
    • Ben Fowler That series is the one that begins as 0, 1, 1, instead of the one that begins 1, 1, 1. If you need a number before 1, 1, 1, it is -1. That is: 1 = 1 + 1 + (-1)

      @kennethflorek8532@kennethflorek85326 жыл бұрын
    • A slightly more succinct representation is: _t_ = (1 + cbr(19 - √297) + cbr(19 + √297))/3. (cbr = cube root)

      @AnonimityAssured@AnonimityAssured6 жыл бұрын
  • 16:10 How I hypnose myself to stay consistent at learning

    @fabianr253@fabianr2532 жыл бұрын
  • This silver ratio really links back to the continued fraction of squareroot of 2 from the suggested video at the end, the irrationality of the golden ratio. suggest everybody watch that. Nice lemma about the primeness of pell numbers, i'd like to hear more on that.

    @DavidvanDeijk@DavidvanDeijk6 жыл бұрын
  • I love reducing cognitive load. Probably my favorite thing actually.

    @mojoface@mojoface6 жыл бұрын
  • Wouldn't it make more sense to define spirals somehow more continuosly, so that they are even self similar, if you rotate them any degree? They way you constructed them was just joining quarter circles together. In a real spiral there should not be parts of a circle anywhere. It should get smaller and smaller at any point.

    @skyscraperfan@skyscraperfan6 жыл бұрын
    • warumbraucheichfüryoutubekommentareeinescheissgooglepluspagefragezeichen That type of portal is called a logarithmic spiral and it’s the type found in flight patterns and shell growth.

      @xenontesla122@xenontesla1226 жыл бұрын
  • Extremely well edited!

    @georgecooper7389@georgecooper73896 жыл бұрын
  • Interestingly, the odd entries in the sequence for the Silver Ratio are the large numbers (i.e. the diagonals of the right triangles) for all the Pythagorean Triples where the two smaller numbers (the legs of the triangles) differ by one: 0^2 + 1^2 = 1^2 3^2 + 4^2 = 5^2 20^2 + 21^2 = 29^2 119^2 + 120^2 = 169^2 696^2 + 697^2 = 985^2 etc. Furthermore, you can generate all these Pythagorean Triples by selection the two consecutive entries in the Silver Ratio and applying that m^2 - n^2 / 2mn / m^2 + n^2 formula to generate Pythagorean Triples: m = 2, n = 1: Generates 3-4-5 m = 5, n = 2: Generates 20-21-29 m = 12, n = 5: Generates 119-120-169 m = 29, n = 12: Generates 696-697-985 etc.

    @zanti4132@zanti41324 жыл бұрын
  • Where my Platinum Ratio bois at?

    @BiggieCheese@BiggieCheese6 жыл бұрын
    • Platinum ratio gang rise up

      @ianmoore5502@ianmoore55025 жыл бұрын
    • Bruh platinum ratio is technically 1

      @user-mz7cn9hq8v@user-mz7cn9hq8v4 жыл бұрын
    • @@user-mz7cn9hq8v iconic

      @yee6870@yee68703 жыл бұрын
  • math is fun, adventurous, quirky, and clever. too bad it is delivered to us with the wonder completely striped

    @joshpollack5936@joshpollack59366 жыл бұрын
    • I like my wonder completely plaid.

      @jpdemer5@jpdemer55 жыл бұрын
  • I've always loved geometry. It was my best math subject in school. When they started to introduce algebra and calculus and abstract trig (ie not showing how it actually plays out in physical space), it became less fun. I think it's important to combine the abstract facts we gain from geometry in an interesting way like you guys often do.

    @johnsnow5305@johnsnow53056 жыл бұрын
    • pretty much every great mathematician pre 1900 would agree with you I think.

      @G8tr1522@G8tr15222 жыл бұрын
  • :O those t-shirts look amazing!

    @SirDominic@SirDominic6 жыл бұрын
  • So European paper uses irrational values for its dimensions? A true A4 sheet of paper can never be accurately measured?

    @alphadad1966@alphadad19666 жыл бұрын
    • The A4 standard is defined in terms of whole millimeters (210 × 297), and it has a tolerance of ±2 mm.

      @silkwesir1444@silkwesir14446 жыл бұрын
    • At least our sheets are, more or less, capable of keeping the same ratio when folded. Yours, once folded, just become another rectangle, not making any sense with all those "letter, legal..." comparing it to A2, A3, A4, A5...

      @MsSlash89@MsSlash896 жыл бұрын
    • A sheet with integer dimensions can never be exactly measured either

      @OrcinusDrake@OrcinusDrake6 жыл бұрын
    • I should have said " A true A4 sheet of does not have dimensions that can be expressed in rational numbers"

      @alphadad1966@alphadad19666 жыл бұрын
    • No, the definition includes, "rounded to the nearest millimetre".

      @blackhatguy6955@blackhatguy69555 жыл бұрын
  • I never made it to the Silver Ratio without biting.

    @blue_tetris@blue_tetris6 жыл бұрын
    • Mr. blue_tetris, how many spirals does it take to get to the SILVER ratio of a SILVER RATIO POP!?

      @TofranBohk@TofranBohk5 жыл бұрын
  • Great video!

    @swoondrones@swoondrones9 ай бұрын
  • That was really interesting, especially the thing about the 2bonacci sequence and squares and prime numbers!

    @Xezlec@Xezlec6 жыл бұрын
  • The next is the bronze ratio...I think

    @ishaangovil5572@ishaangovil55726 жыл бұрын
    • MODERN SCIENCE i thought that too

      @sebastianzaczek@sebastianzaczek6 жыл бұрын
    • Nah, the Parker Ratio ;-)

      @hunnymonster2k@hunnymonster2k6 жыл бұрын
    • Why should bronze, an alloy, come after two precious metals? Just saying. Platinum should have come next, ya know?

      @naverilllang@naverilllang4 жыл бұрын
  • 10th! hopefully it's not a Parker Square of a meme Edit: *sniff* I smell a Parker Square

    @KnuxMaster368@KnuxMaster3686 жыл бұрын
  • The Aluminium Falcon! I love it - hidden Star Wars reference!

    @AstroHolden@AstroHolden6 жыл бұрын
  • Just wonderful!

    @markusjacobi-piepenbrink9795@markusjacobi-piepenbrink97954 жыл бұрын
  • Show me rubidium ratio

    @zero56619@zero566196 жыл бұрын
    • If gold is the 79th element and that gives you Sn = Sn-1 + Sn-1, and silver is the 47th element and that gives you Sn = Sn-1 + 2Sn-2, then for Rb = 37th element you could define it to be Sn = Sn-1 + 42/32Sn-2. The ratio for that one would be (42/32 + sqrt((42/32)^2 + 4))/2 = 1.8523537.... What am I doing with my life...

      @user-ct1ns6zw4z@user-ct1ns6zw4z6 жыл бұрын
  • Got me anxiety how he placed those scissors

    @hanspeter9391@hanspeter93916 жыл бұрын
  • Why am I so excited about this!

    @JasmineDreams@JasmineDreams6 жыл бұрын
  • I love how comprehensive numberphile is

    @maxonmendel5757@maxonmendel57576 жыл бұрын
  • The silver ratio = *1:925*

    @westsenkovec@westsenkovec6 жыл бұрын
    • Do that in Base 6! :)

      @RazvanMihaeanu@RazvanMihaeanu6 жыл бұрын
  • I liked it earlier when animation was used only to show dynamic ideas which were difficult to describe on paper

    @ashishshukla8423@ashishshukla84236 жыл бұрын
    • Ashish Shukla Agree It was a lot more interesting to watch the actual paper

      @NoNameAtAll2@NoNameAtAll26 жыл бұрын
    • Agreed, although I kind of like the animation for things that are trivial but not shown on the paper, such as adding two of these to one of those. If you muted the audio and just looked at the paper, he'd just be writing down some numbers, but the animation shows the calculation he's doing.

      @iabervon@iabervon6 жыл бұрын
    • The animations depict the concepts more accurately than the paper drawings do, though. (Mathematicians can’t necessarily draw straight.)

      @RickySTT@RickySTT6 жыл бұрын
  • thanks for a platinum video

    @IncolasCopperfield@IncolasCopperfield6 жыл бұрын
  • I'll admit, I haven't watched many of the videos with Tony in them on this channel. This one won me over though.

    @agioiutdrdgfyfyfhgky@agioiutdrdgfyfyfhgky6 жыл бұрын
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