How Long Do Timing Belts Last? - Timing Belt Replacement Service
In this episode of Proctor Car Tips, Rocky talks about timing belts, what they do, how long they should typically last, and why it's important to replace your timing belt before it breaks. He also breaks down what the typical timing belt replacement service consists of and what you should expect the next time you have it replaced.
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How Long Do Timing Belts Last? - Timing Belt Replacement Service
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Great demonstration of the timing belt actually breaking at 0:33.
Just replaced a diesel Ford Mondeo belt, water pump, idler and tensioner. 200,000 km, which is the scheduled replacement interval. The belt looked a little old, the water pump, idler and tension pulleys look and feel like new. Pretty straightforward job, took a few hours. An interesting feature of this engine is that while it's an interference engine, the valves are actually not inclined and are actuated by rockers. If a belt breaks, the pistons will hit valves, but because they're straight they don't bend, and all that happens is some broken rockers, which can be replaced without removing the cylinder head.
great rocky such an informative video and excellent speaker cheers
I just got done changing my water pump , oil seals and timing belt on my Lexus GS 03 . I bought the car a few months ago and was putting it off but just had to take my time and do the work and I actually enjoyed it .
Great tips rock.. thanks for this video
Good stuff - thankyou ! My cambelt on my camry broke 8 years ago, so I dont need to have that crap again. car is now 20 years old, so I suppose its due for a new cambelt !
my cousin has a 2005 honda odyssey touring and it has 360k miles on its original timing belt. its a miracle her van hasnt broke down yet.
japanese are more reliable than any other
sure it's a rubber belt and not a CHAIN?
Victorian Sculptures yes its a belt. You can lookup online ALL HONDA J series V6 engines have timing belts.
It won't last much longer. I did mine at 215k on that van and it looked like a rubber band. All worn out.
***Classified*** wow. Was the engine still quiet? Her engine was so quiet youd think it was a brand new car.
timing belt materials have come a long way since the early days. In fact, there are manufacturers that claim for their newer models that the timing belt doesn't even need to be replaced.
My dog taxi is a 2001 Saturn lw300. Bought it 15 years ago from my elderly neighbor who could not longer drive. It has a 3.0 liter V6 that requires a timing belt change. Changed the belt when specified and followed all the maintenance guidelines. It now has almost 400k miles and still runs perfectly
I just bought the same. It's the same 3.0 as in my Accord. Great motors
Hi my car has done 60000km, according to the service book its says from the car manufacturer I will need to to change it at 75000km. Problem now is the car 8 years old, I bought it as as second hand and I am not driving it regularly, can I be worried?
My 1986 Porsche 928 original timing belt was replaced after 10 years @ 100k miles due to a waterpump leak. The 2nd timing belt is 14 years old, however I live in San Diego with average temp of 75 all year. New belt technology last longer than those from the 80s and the majority of belt failures are due to other components or extreme climates.
Great video...much appreciated.
Timing belts may have been more convenient and cheaper for the manufacturer, but it is an expensive pain for the owner. Rubber timing belts should never have been used in any engine when timing chains technology has been used for many decades. Most timing chains usually outlast the engine's useful life. "Planned obsolescence" is the curse of consumers worldwide.
longshorts3, timing belts are a more advanced technology for a few reasons. Firstly they are smoother and provide more accurate valve timing because timing chains, especially long ones found on twin dual overhead cam engines, have some slop to them, where belts do not, even when they are 6-8 feet long or more, like what is commonly found on dual overhead camshaft designs on V-8 engines (which have four camshafts, two over each cylinder bank.) Another reason is noise, harshness, and vibration. Timing chains on dual overhead cam engines are especially noisy due to the length of them, they are fine on older, single camshaft engines where they are substantially shorter and only have to make two bends, unlike modern engines with idler and tensioner pulleys, in addition to the extra camshafts they have to go around. Moreover, the vibration created by an exceptionally long chain will ring through an engine block, even if your ears can't hear the super high frequency, this can disrupt all kinds of sensors, causing them to send false data to the engine management compuer, most notably the pre-ignition detecting knock sensors as they are very sensitive to any vibration in a specific frequency range, if that happens then ignition timing advance will be reduced, hurting economy and performance probably without any detection by the driver that the computer is doing this. Then there is the cost for the consumer, there is initial purchase cost of the vehicle to consider, and we all know the the manufacturer isnt going to simply absorb the cost of the raw material (being steel in the case of a timing chain vs rubber and nylon cord for a belt) or the substantially higher manufacturing costs for a chain. They are going to pass that along to you, the consumer, by charging more for the vehicle to begin with. And lastly, there is the weight and rotating mass to think about. Every pound shaved off of a vehichle is important for economy as well as performance, especially over the long lifespan of a vehichle. Besides, the rotating mass of a big, fat, long, steel chain is going to cost horsepower, which will hurt fuel economy and performance. Even simple things like going to an electric fan vs an engine driven fan (which can cost as much as 15-20 horsepower to run) can make a huge difference, especially over the long run. So before you go assuming that highly trained automotive designers and engineers are stupid (I assure you that they are not, and they have to consider so many factors that you are unaware of) and go running your mouth before actually thinking about what you are saying, you should think again and devote just a little more brain power to the concepts you derive, aparantly from no real experince or knowledge, before then sharing your misinformed and misleading simple minded opinions with others, you should check yourself. Just my two cents on the subject. And I am neither a designer nor an engineer. I'm just a simple 34 year old backyard mechanic with common sense, Im guessing yours went out the window a long time ago.
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longshorts3 timing belts were and are still used for assembly at the time of manufacturing and noise. But with technology in dampners the trends are back to the chain. Thank God.
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2002 Lexus Es300 with 200,000 miles Original timing belt and Waterpump just changed out !
Great video
Hi this question is for Rocky can I replace the. Rubber. timing belt of a 1998 Honda Accord Lx for a chain type timing belt ?
i have a 2012 sonic, with 96k on it, i looked at the belt, it looks good to me, can still read everything on in, also all the motor mount bolts that have to be removed on my car to do the job have marks on them, like washers have socket marks and bolts have marks on edges, also intake boot clamp which is usually removed just to get it out of the way was lose, all these things lead me to believe it was changed, when i dont know, but if i was to guess i would say 60k because on the cars this replaced thats when it was to be done while the sonic is to be done at 97500.
190,000 on my 2001 odyssey original belt lol! Living on the edge.
Good I have been advised long time ago by a mechanic do not ever change the original belt Y? Just because is the original Now.. I own Acura MDX just felt to do it by been advised by Acura dealer advisor (terrorism me) and $$$$ my car and sound like popcorn popping and that terrorism me even more oh answer is that's an old car sounds. My son drives a Toyota 1995 and that has not been done jet. Who's your mechanics any way OH congratulation!
@@nirbancha123 what ?¿?¿? That must be a car with a timing chain. I can't imagine a timing belt lasting that long with no issues, even if it's not driven very much.
230k on my 2004 Odyssey.
@@deasttn is that belt or chain?
@@r.a.5625 those are belts
I had just replaced my timing belt at 201,000 miles and the belt still looks pretty good.I wasn't gonna change it but the seal behind the balancer shaft came off and leaked oil pretty bad.Iam the original owner 2000 accord. I believe that timing belt replacement is one of the dealership scam,You can go up to 300,000 miles and more without spending $1000.00 that the dealers charge.Save money just do it yourself if you can.Also the water pump and tensioner is still in good condition.Honda water pump and tensioner don't usually go bad on a Honda.I have 6 Honda accords Me my wife and kids drive ONE ACCORD.Very low maintenance car.Just change the fluids oil specially.
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I had a timing belt break once. Luckily the engine was freewheeling (noninterfering), so no damage was done there.
I have a question i bought an 07 ridgeline used and it shows the timing belt was replaced 30,000 miles ago but it has been 6 years as well. I know thats not a lot of miles on a belt but what about the years ? Should i go by mileage or years more ?
My mom's 1989 Camry broke it's original timing belt at 50,000 miles. Luckily it happened on start up. The belt was 10 years old.
I have a volvo 2004 c70 2.4 5 cylinder located in Las vegas. The engine was knackered so i put a new one in. The engine had 142k the original timing belt water pump and pulleys were still on that engine when i pulled it out Volvo have a 100k interval on that engine but it almost did 50 % more than that in a dry climate on a 14 year old car
In some cars, it's not a huge loss if the timing belt breaks such as a Toyota or Lexus with the 1MZ-FE V6 engine VVTI or not.
Thought they used chains
i can't find a video on how to install a timing belt on a 2002 isuzu axion xs 3.8l.
Ford fiesta they said change at 150k miles or 10 years what ever come first onesty I change the serpentine belt when I cut belt I did inspect and at 93k miles was almost like new so I can guess timing belt should last at least 150k miles
Here in the u.k. got everything done on a focus for £350.
Saw this excellent video and I'm gone outside to check drive belt condition...
most vehicles don't have belts but chains these days... the Corolla they showed actually has a chain
I had a 05 GMC Sierra bought it new I was first owner and it hit over 20000 mil never had a timing belt service done and it run like a champ 👍🏼😎
Your timing belt will last as long as it takes to break. If you want to know how long that is drive it till it breaks. No one can accurately predict when that will be.
I tried to do that on my 2000 accord .On 2004 I replaced the timing belt and water pump,all drive belts.The timing belt are still brand new at 100,000 miles.So I tried to drive the car until February 2019 major oil leak in front of the engine Found out one seal popped out the seal behind the balancer belt.The mileage is 301,000 Miles.So If you will wait for the belt it is not going to happen.The condition of the belt is still brand new.So if you can drive your car up to 500,000 miles I can bet you the timing belt will not break, but another parts will fail like seals, pump,or tensioners etc.On Japanese cars, But I don't know about Koreans maybe not.I've seen some that failed at 80,000 miles.Honda all the way.
Go by the manual. I had the original timing belt on my 01 and it lasted almost 19 years and 200k Kms. Mechanic said I still had probably three months left lol
@@Zoran69 every 10years or mileage stated on the instructions manual
@@efrensaclolo7021 301k on 04 Accord 3.0? Original transmission?
I have 200,000 miles on my 2006 dodge charger 3.5L and i just replaced it about 2 weeks ago. I replaced it because i knew it could break at anytime. What i did i bought the whole Water pump kit from Rockauto.com Anyways the point im trying to make is no one really knows when a timing belt can break. I am the only owner of my car so i know for sure some cars can go up to 200k with the original belt. But honestly is not recommended.
I bought my Odyssey 2000 with 269,729 miles on it then just recently replace the timing belt at 344467 miles , I guess its just the matter on how you drive if you drive so rascal and abusive any car won't last that long . By the way I buy that van on 2012, then replace the timing belt 2018 April
I have a 1994 toyota camry 2.2 four cyl motor with 167.000 miles and still has stock timing belt on it. I assume this because no one put the sticker on if they did change it. Guess i will hope for the best and maybe just have it changed at 180.000 with either a gates or dayco kit along with the water pump. This is my 5th toyota and i have never changed a belt or a chain on any of them. Two 4 cyl PUs and a Tercel car had about 300.000 miles when i got rid of them. I think Toyota makes the best cars in the world.
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I wouldn't take the risk. Get it changed as soon as you can.
@@moroccoal-adarisa2300 Nissan merged with Renault and the quality went to the toilet and Mazda have they're vvt system one of the crapyest and most sensitive in the world... But Honda and Toyota they're reliable, no doubt about IT.
Often break on start up or a stall on a gear model,keep the revs on maybe ok.my toyota had a150,000 km t, belt light.good luck. If you rely on this car change it, for your peace of mind.
No,and Honda?
I have 180,000 on original belt, 1995 odyssey, non-interference. Ive been wondering if I should go till it breaks but worry if out of town.
Best change it as the belt can get fast round your pulley and buckle other things
our suv is about to reach the 70k kms mark and i'm preparing the heavy on the wallet budget for the timing belt replacement
70k kms? that's only about 44K MILES
Read your manual! Don't let service men fool you with scare tactics! If something is broken however... that's a different story. If the timing belt area is perfect fine, tell the scammers to piss off, you go by the owners manual, not their scare tactics manual.
Rocky is correct.Always change your timing belt according to Manufacturer specs.If the belt breaks and your engine is a interference engine ,internal valve +Head and piston damage will happen.The repair cost will be expensive.
My Chrysler Town @ Country van went 168,000 miles before the belt broke so when you buy a used car, don't assume it has changed at the recommended interval. Timing belts can go WAY beyond 60-100,000 miles before breaking!
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I have a VW Polo 20 years old 216k km I took a peek at the belt and on exterior it looks good, I don't think it can break, it's not rubber, but on interior at the base of the teeth I could see micro cracks started to form, they are not deep, only on surface, may be it can go another 20-100k but I'm not that confident. So it looks like time has come to change it.
you need to soak your timing belt in "303 aerospace protectant". It will last a lot longer because it makes the rubber more flexible and softer. V-Belts/Serpentine/Alternator/Timing Belts will break because they come really dry and almost brittle right from the factory. After so time, they will get cracks which leads to a teared belt. I didn't believe that shit at first but I tryed multiple time with different belts on my lawntractor and it works. search here on YT for "STOP Replacing TIMING BELTS....PERIOD!" from Sweet Project Cars
thanks for tip
😢 my timing belt broke on my 2007 Pontiac grand prix, plus I needed to get my water pump fixed finally had the extra money but I guess I waited too long!
Yeah ok sorry your engine is a (non interference) motor lol this here is for us folks worried about the valves kissing the head.
@@erickimmy1493 please come to find out my car needed a new transmission plus a host of other things that the dealer did not tell me about so maybe next time keep your comments to yourself.
So, am I correct in assuming (hoping) that I can go at least another 25k-30k miles before changing the belt and pump? My 2010 Pilot has 239k miles. Belt and pump were last replaced at 175k miles.
That's less than 100,000 miles. Most people don't even replace that stuff every 100,000 myself included
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Easy, replacing more difficult.
I just bought a 2000 Chrysler Concorde w/3.2 litre engine. It is 16 years old but only has 48,000 miles (78,000km). The manual says to change it after 160,000 km. I am nowhere near the recommended mileage but should I change the belt because it has been in for all those years?
I live in Florida where the humidity and heat kill your car. I change all belts and hoses ever 60k and battery ever 2 years
If the belt is rubber, Iwould. After seven years the belt will "dry rot"meaning it will start to get stiff and brittle and show cracking not to mention being exposed to tempertures
The belts usually have a cover cap that you can easily take off and inspect it and decide to change it or not.
timing chains is where it's at I always look for a car with one
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If you buy a used car with a timing belt, dont assume anything, go ahead plan on spending the money and if the seller cant show you paperwork where it has been done then try to get the seller reduce the cost of the vehicle to off set the cost. better to go ahead spend the money than bend all your valves or bust a piston.
bradley goode or look at the date stamp on the belt itself👍
is there ANY way to know is it right to do "BIG service" on 1.6 tdci / HDI engines ? Can we somehow notice that there is time to change timing belt, tensioner, water pump...? Are there any specific sound or engine behavior to recognize ? I own (used) Focus (mk2.5) 1.6tdci '09 for almost 3 months and even I got warranty for more 10K km for engine and gearbox but I'm still a little bit suspicious (although the vehicle looks very well preserved for 9yr old) about that question... In papers from service there is a trace that "Big service" was performed in France at 165K km with cost like 700 euro and car now have 186K km on odometer, but bcs I'm from Serbia there is never 100% warranty that the mileage wasn't decreased when vehicle was imported from France (for better selling price with less Km). I all ready did all filters and oil change by my own.
your techician was dead on got the info i needed to complete my job which was the location of the fingers on the tensioner no one else on youtube was this therral
They say when your timing belt breaks your car is trash, I was told that about my PT Cruiser. My belt broke and my car broke down, I went to get a new one and it started right up and went down the road just fine. I also so called had a worst chance due to me coming from off the highway at a fast speed when it was done. Things like this is an example to not trust every word that comes out of people mouths.
Lucky the valves missed the pistons.many twin cam 16 v will cause damage internally, many single cam 8 valves also, good luck.
Elastic bands do not belong in an engine.
That corolla has a chain 😮
Timing belts as they wear and stretch can cause the engine to run rough. Buy a car that has a chain belt, problem solved.
139000 on my Sonata and not a crack. You also should've mentioned the difference between non- interference vs interference engines. I got a timing chain, so if mine goes I just have to worry about the overheating, but if your belt system drives your timing think about replacing the engine.
OK, how many kilometres or miles can a liquid pump do sir?
I have a 98 civic with 240k miles, original timing belt. I should change it, but the whole things so old that it I think I'd be shoveling sand against the tide.
Radnally cost more than the car
In your opinion, how long last a timing belt on a Honda Civic 2002?
My original 2001 Civic belt lasted 200k Kms and 19 years! Only just changed it yesterday. Just follow the manual which says every 100k but.. As you see mine lasted 200k lol
I’m on a 184k on my 2004 mdx and it’s making a rattling noise so I guess it’s time.
Replaced every 60,000-70,000 miles religiously ! No exceptions
Hyundai is 40K mike interval change.
Dont need the music though, trust me, good info all the same
Timing belts do not snap on there own, it's normally the tensioner what fails or one the pulleys freeze/sieze. Take a old used belt and try and snap it with your bear hands. IMPOSSIBLE
Metal timing chain will out last rubber belt, hate the rubber timing belts!
Me too.These rubber bullshits are design to shorter the life of the car.They said that rubber belts make less noice but I prefer that and have reliable car than not knowing when everything will fail.No thanks. The best engines are with teeth wheels I dont know the proper word to explane in english but you will understand...BOMB PROOF
We should just pay extra for a timing chain... It will cost less in the long run.
Timing belts.....what to do...timing belts and water pump...what to do..... I've changed timing belts myself, on older cars; for an engineer it's not difficult....but modern cars? The reason you might consider changing a perfectly good water pump as well is....whilst the covers are off, you might as well. Basically, you bite the bullet and change both, round about £620....it's insurance against a croaked engine!
WHY DONT THEY JUST USE CAM TIMING CHAINS LIKE ON A BIKE ENGINE IT LASTS EXTREMELY LONG TIME
Agreed
Despite them lasting longer I'd rather have a belt. Apparently chains are much harder to remove than a belt.
the chain is placed in between the camshaft rods, its always stay soaked in oil, my bikes never needed chain replacement till they went to the scrapyard, a good heavy duty camchain lasts virtually till we throw the engine away..
I had a chain on my old 351W. The chain had so much slack in it the chain started wearing a hole in the chain cover. Chain or belt you still have to replace them.
All the older cars and trucks I worked on used chains
My owners manual doesn’t have recommended maintenance anywhere in it. It appears to be a separate “option” my car has 113k in it and I want fucking answers. Only Honda. I’ve never heard of a car being so hard to get a straight answer on maintenance.
My Mitsubishi service manual state's 100,000 klms or 5yrs,water pump, tensioner pulley 200,000klms so why do the mechanic's keep saying change everything. I wonder why?,maybe it's because $500 first change $1200 plus second belt.
my car has a chain. one less thing to worry about.
Chains can break too....you know that, right?
@@erickimmy1493 They can, but only under extreme duress. You can buy a belt timed car, leave it untouched with zero miles on it for 10 years and you will STILL need to change that belt out for aging! Not so with a chain however.
Broken down car is a corolla 1zz 1.8 that has a timing chain. Lmao
But... How to make it last longer? It was not mentioned. How could we make our vehicle timing belt last longer?
I’ve got a Tacoma with 320k I want to put a million on it. Is this possible
what are the symptoms old timing belt
about only way is to look at odometer and if its 100,000 its time if it hasn't left you sitting yet.
None. They give no warning. They just break.
Sounds expensive no wonder people trade in their cars
Yes. But if you price it into the cost if buying the used car, you can get used cars for a song (and do the maintenance and repairs)
They stay in debt
"How Long Do Timing Belts Last?" Simple answer, they don't. A timing chain will last for the life of the engine, and beyond. Timing belts were installed in engines by car makers only to create additional aftermarket business for car dealers and repair shops. The argument that belts are quieter is bogus.
I Agree!!! It's all business!!!
Right so why does bmw chain brakes it is just design hmmmmmmm Lexus last forever so my belt in the book on 1.9tdi 90k or 5 years I replaced the belt after5 years belt was fine but the water pump I would question that so I would say 50/50
Chains CAN break too....lol they are NOT invincible
Show me a broken Honda timing belt to believe you The belt you are showing is probably from domestic cars or Korean or European car.
Ikr! My 2001 Civic has the original belt and its been 19 years + 200k Kms. Mechanic said I still had three months left lol
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those rubber timing belts suck, wonder who invented those stupid things, all the heat in the engine wears them out fast, had 1 break on me at 3 am in the boonies on a winter night, had to call a tow truck, 200 bucks just for that.
Maybe ford racing bda 16v, early lotus used t chain. prefer t,belts myself. R s.
190k km on my 07 accord v6 ..orginal belt...could give a fuck bout no timing belt change ...biggest scam out there . Brb pay 1000 for something that might break on a car that cost 3000 or less lol
I paid 150 to have mine changed
Only buy cars with timing chains! not belts! Chains don’t break. Rubber belts do!
But they can slip off it happened to my car years ago
Chains DO break... lol you can NEVER say they don't...they can and do. Just gives u more time and noise so u know it's going to break.
Change timing belt at 60k ?? What is this guy smoking
Rocky is cocky
this is not labor-intensive !!
you absolutely said nothing useful
i strongly agree. he doesn't know even what the material is use to make belts (EPDM). usless information. repeats the same bla, bla, bla. :-)
Hondas use timing belts?? Get a Toyota.