The CAR WIZARD shows why it costs and arm and a leg for a Timing Belt replacement
2020 ж. 28 Нау.
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The CAR WIZARD 🧙♂️ walks you through all the steps required to replace a timing belt on a 2013 Honda Accord EXL and explains why this repair costs so much more than a Serpentine belt replacement.
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“Honda’s are reliable, but that doesn’t excuse it from regular scheduled maintenance “ PREACH BROTHER
More reliable without maintenance than BMW, Audi and Mercedes with meticulous maintenance.
@@RodrRodr-tx5lq not when the timing belt breaks
@@yamkaw346 that is a totally different video
@@ega0117 It was very relevant to the comment I was replying to. Even Honda’s need maintenance
I watched a video explaining why you shouldn't listen to the dealer when they say you don't need to change the oil every 4k miles. Went into detail of how stop and go traffic causes the oil to wear out, how not driving the car very often can also cause the oil to wear out... Things they don't tell you at all. If you go to a small town mechanic and he suggests changing your oil every 4000 miles you should probably do it. Especially with how manufacturers use the thinnest oils they can get away with in the pursuit of gas mileage. I usually get my oil changed when the computer tells me I have about 20 percent life left because i got one of the CRV's that have been known to have gas leak into the oil.
I’ve never met a mechanic with this ability of continuous speech. Not mentioning really comforting voice. Thumbs up.
The more I listen I to him the more I hear the classic narrator of the old 1930s black and white engineering videos at the back of my head. I'm not sure its the accent or the words per minute pace matching up but its something, and it really catches my interest.
@chris jones and the fact that he works on all sorts of complex vehicles. I wonder where he'd rank on a "100% accurate IQ test" (those don't exist but just pretend they do)
Right! Its crazy that he can talk so continuously yet his words are meaningful. He could just be blabbering on but he's actually got a point in everything
He's really good I'll give him that.
I dont know if any of you guys have seen Bob Ross but thats who he reminds me of 😁. Except he's a painter of automotive and has a lot less hair😆
I changed the timing belt in my T-Bird Turbo Coupe and was shocked at how easily I was able to change it. A friend of mine needed his TB changed on a more modern car, so I confidently checked the online how-tos, read about three steps of the process, turned my computer off, and told him to go to a dang mechanic.
I did the same job on my svo, had no issue but it kept hopping a tooth until the tensioner was finally set properly.
Yup.
😂😂
Yeah those limas are soooo much simpler lol
@ shinola That's because the 4 cylinder Ford is an external belt. Most belts take many hours just to access the internal belts.
Watching videos of mechanics that take pride in their work and understand actual customer service give me hope for humanity.
yup, I understand.... Sometimes I listen while I'm driving to combat the nonsense that is everywhere now. His conversation is a big reason also. Sanity I suppose, until I heard him speak about social distancing. mehhhh!!!!
The problem is where you are going to find an honest mechanic
Absolutely!👌
My Dad's an electrical engineer, really smart guy. Refused to pay for it and changed the timing belt himself, was a 90s Camry. It took him like three days and at the end of it he said he wished he had paid for it. Said it was incredibly difficult and then had anxiety from that point on that it hadn't been done right.
Timing belts, especially 90s Toyota timing belts are the easiest to work on. I'm sure your dad, who probably took electrodynamics in college has seen worse
This work in the usa is RIP OFF 10 times plus the cost in the UK
Its Ironic isn't it! My grandfather worked for GM and designed parts for cars. The irony is that he had no idea how to work on the car as a whole. Its pretty funny actually and I love telling that story.
@@MrShepardDog as far as doing timing belt work here at the shop, PT cruisers are the worst of the worst lol. I actually have another one at the shop I'm putting back together. I was surprised how the engine was still in the car. Every single engine mount was broken in it. But customer will be happy once their car is back on the road again, that's what matters.👌
@@samuelboyd972 interesting. Years ago, my Uncle who was @ the time a Technician with Nissan, would change my timing belt @ no cost for my Nissan Z. I would provide all parts (genuine Nissan). Of course I would pay him somehow. I remember he would tell me to get the job done @ Nissan was not cheap. My current shop charges around $400. for labor. I provide the parts.
I did my own timing belt thanks to the school of KZhead 😁
On a 1994 Toyota Celica, you CAN replace the timing belt in a Saturday afternoon. Just ask Scotty Kilmer!
@@TheOzthewiz Rev up your engines
I’m sure it runs great 😂
Americans mecanics charge too much mexicans mecanics for 350 change the belt in 1 hour piece of cake
I wish with my car. MK6 Jetta with the 2.0 non turbo. It's been relatively reliable but it's incredibly difficult to get any information on much for the car. Even at the dealership the mechanics don't generally know what fuse controls what component, they keep everything secret and proprietary.
After watching this I have made an appt. To have my 2012 Accord V6, 87,000 miles timing belt done at the Honda dealership. They get great reviews. I know it will be money well spent thanks to you. I was planning on waiting for 100,000 miles but realized my error in not figuring in the age of the belt. They also told me the water pump maintenance change out was 200, 000 miles. I told them to do it anyway. I also will ask for the used parts with the packaging from the new parts to be returned to me. Trust but verify. Thanks for your knowledge.
My 1997 Celica GT needed its belt replaced, and the kit/labor cost me $900. That price also included my AC getting recharged, new spark plugs. I can tell this man's garage does professional work. Great video!
I did one,, my first time, on a Honda V6 like yours. Reaching the timing belt cover bolts was very difficult, there is only an inch or so of clearance. removing those two dozen bolts too a whole day. It took me two more days to get everything replaced and timed up correctly. I can see why you guys charge a lot for this, it is a fiddly and critical job.
And especially with a quad cam engine. You screw that up it will cost big time.
Hondas are nice cars until you need normal maintenance. Not for the home mechanic.
Same problem with early pilot. Them timing belt cover bolts are hard to get to, but other than that everything went in smooth.
@@rodbutler8069 Japanese made Honda engines such as the K series use timing chains
As a retired mechanic I have preached till I’m blue in the face! I’ve been called crook, thief, robber, and shyster! All most people know about their cars is “Stick the key in and turn it.“ They don’t know, and they don’t want to know! Despite my repeated warnings to change timing belts people have ignored me. Until the day comes that they hear a horrendous metal banging noise and their car shuts off. They call me to come take a look and I say (sarcastically) “Congratulations! You now own a boat anchor!“
As a 44 year auto mechanic I absolutely agree with you. And that Honda TB should have been done at 100K. He was lucky everything stayed together 😏💸💸💸
I spent most of my 20s in a mechanic shop as a second job. Learned alot. People dont listen to the guy who works on cars. I find it amusing how smart people think they are about a subject they know nothing about. When a mechanic tells what car to buy you should take it to the bank. But as my old mechanic said, I tell them my honest opinion so they dont do it and keep me in business.
Not a big deal, I am not a mechanic by trade, but I can do basically anything not requiring very special equipment. I have even overhauled an engine. I have not made any costly mistake, ever. I have saved thousands of dollars, because I have never paid a dollar to fix my cars...ever.
@@Kevin19700 On a Honda (OR Toyota) you can push that to 150Kmiles, no sweat. If Ford can go 150K miles in their ECO-BOOST engines, Honda and Toyota can do the same!
@@TheOzthewiz what BS. How biased are you?
Great communicator and give me more appreciation for skilled auto repair professionals! Keep up the great videos. Also, nice questions from the lady on the team... she asked questions that possible many viewers were wondering... including me. Thank you!
Right on advice. I just had our 2007 Santa Fe (2.7L V6) done - for the SECOND TIME - at just over 200K miles. Timing belt, water pump, also included a coolant flush/refill, and I also had them do the transmission flush and check the spark plugs. He said the engine sounds great - I plan to keep driving it for another 75K at least!
This is actually a public service message about the infamous timing belt / components / water pump /replacement job and it’s expense. Anyone that gave this video a thumbs down is in TOTAL DENIAL. I’ve personally seen the destruction of engines from timing belts that snapped from not being replaced at recommended intervals and engine damage done from IMPROPERLY installed timing belts from shade tree mechanics that may have had good intentions, but the end result was disastrous. Listen to the Wizard here. He’s telling you guys the truth. If your car has an engine that is known as an “interference engine” and utilizes a timing belt, FOLLOW THE FACTORY RECOMMENDED SERVICE INTERVAL TO AVOID SEVERE ENGINE DAMAGE. The price you pay your mechanic will be nothing compared to replacing a destroyed engine. Thanks Wizard, I pray you and Mrs. Wizard and your family and friends stay safe and sound during these scary times. God bless.
Also, when purchasing a second-hand car check whether the car has a timing belt and if so, whether it was replaced on schedule. If the seller does not have evidence on paper of the replacement...walk away or add the cost of having it replaced right away to the cost of the car. Lots of people decide they'd rather just sell their car rather than have the job done properly.
@@Landrassa1 To be fair, most of the work and cost of doing the timing belt is getting to it. If you're doing an engine swap it'd be the perfect time to throw in a timing belt, it'll never be easier!
@Peto Pedro Depends on the car. Some are easier than others. It costs me $1200 to do a timing belt on an 2007 V6 Accord. It's cost me much less on other cars.
I paid the dealership to do this work on my accord I had 75k miles and 7 years. I did not want to take chances that I could go longer. All other work I take it to my regular mechanic. I change the oil, filters, battery myself.
I've seen a timing belt break < 1000 miles after the owner missed his recommended maintenance schedule.
Great timing on this video, Wizard.
Buh-dum *tsss*
Allan C-B and the Wizard has another video under his belt.
This is my favourite comment today. Good work.
@@davidhanesworth8027 Why I otta belt you
I recognize this video is 3 years old, but I just did this service on our '17 Acura RDX, and your description is really outstanding. It took me 2 days, taking my time and checking along the way. Hardest part was getting the crank pulley bolt off; it took my Dad's old school 3/4" drive Ingersoll Rand impact gun and a full cycle of my 60 gal. air compressor to get it loose!
I did my first timing belt replacement on a Ford Pinto engine from 1971 when I was 16 years old, many years ago. Since then I always done it my self. A good excuse to get tools :)
I had two cars snap timing belts on me in one month.i was completely ignorant to what it even was at the time 😭 .I learned the hard way so really good video wizard to many people just don't know
Timing belts don't snap unless something went catastrophically wrong with the engine. What they do is skip a few teeth due to age and hardening of the rubber. This is what wrecked your engine.
@Benjamin The chains can stretch and eventually need replacement especially on OHC V8 engines due to their extra length and use of things that can break such as guides and tensioners.
I have a 2001 Saturn LW300 that I bought new. The 3.0 liter engine is notorious for snapping belts. Still own it and it has 386K miles and it still runs and drives fine. Saturn recommended 100k belt changes. I ALWAYS replaced them at 75K intervals. My neighbors had a Volvo XC9O and thought timing belt changes were too expensive and drove and drove. The belt snapped and destroyed the engine on Chicago's Kennedy expressway during rush hour traffic in -15F weather. The car wasn't paid off so the still had to make payments. They ended up putting a $6000.00 used engine in.
I had purchased a car from a wholesaler online once that blew the timing belt 2 weeks after I started driving it. Broke one of the camshafts clean in half and had to replace one of the heads because of bent valves. The motor was a Dodge 2.5L 24 valve v6, I hate these engines now. I've had another since and they're nothing but trouble, and even worse they're slow as all hell. And if you needed another reason to hate this engine family, it was the foundation for the infamous 2.7L Dodge v6.
@@Flies2FLL , also using the old tensioners again, trying to save money ?
Next- head gaskets. "It's just a gasket, why is it so expensive and how can it cause so much damage?!"......... oh boy. Those stupid head gasket issues.
@@click9914 Great place to put a cheap part. Planned obsolescence 101.
every Subaru EJ owners be like.
ricky sanchez ask a bmw owner with 40k miles! Ask me how I know.
@@TheTaytay198 How do you know?
TBH, I'd rather replace a head gasket than a timing belt.
The timing belt on my car honestly popped my do it yourself cherry. Get a Haynes Manual or any specified repair manual and read the entire step by step process. It's literally what the dealership uses and internet forum pages for specific cars do exist and have members on everyday even for the oldest of cars. I did the timing belt on my 25 year old dodge intrepid 1996 3.5 at 103k miles. Read the book replaced everything that needed to be replaced and she ran fine. I had a hard time getting the harmonic balancer off as a first timer but it came off just fine with a jaw puller which tbh is one of the most universal compression tools for many other jobs. Wrote the date on the Gates Belt sticker with my name going Yeeeesssssir. It's at 110k and I just did the intake manifold gasket and she runs solid. Next I think I might replace a shift solenoid of my verified incorrect voltage off my tps isn't the cause of a gear 1 incorrect ratio. All this and I'm only 22 in my drive way with basic hand tools I never use air tools. I find this video informative but honestly mechanics like to get a little hyperbolic and scary with stuff like this. Yes it is a very precise job but if you quadruple check that timing you will get it I promise you. Use magnet trays or plastic baggies labeled. The whole 9 yards. I feel like Car Wizard should have mentioned that you can just read the repair manual like most mechanics do and do the exact same work with the exact same tools. Get up say fuck fast food for a day and learn something dag nabbit.
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admire the spirit but dealerships don't use Haynes they have manuals published by the manufacturer. If you can get a hold of those it's worth it.
yeah, I'm just listening to him ranting on and on about such a simple concept lol. The hardest part of the job is the tightness of it all. He treats the timing belt like it's timing chain lol
I'll take an old school timing chain over a new school timing belt any day of the week and twice on Sunday. You don't have to mess with them and they won't break like belt will. But the same rules apply, meaning everything must be marked right before removal and on installation. If the sprocket or the timing mark is not precise, or in the right position, if something is off, the engine will not run right or can become damaged. I'm loving these videos, Mr. Wizard. Thanks!
Yeah ill never buy a vehicle with a rubber timing belt again. It's such a pain
@@leadnsteel1428 Yeah. I don't know why they all go to timing belts, other than maybe its cheaper to make. But if you have an interference engine and that belt goes, so does your engine. Who was the genius behind this dumb design?
@@benjaminnielsen4288they make em too reliable so they need something to keep the service dept busy lol
Oh yeah
Newer cars they have over head cams though. Timing chains are longer as a result and stretch. And harder to get to/replace. So often even more expensive to fix/harder. Some even have pull the motor. As a mechanic I actually prefer the belt 🤷♂️.
"Not for the faint of heart" is an understatement. If you don't have the tools & facilities, better let your local wizard do it.
Also, if it's your only car, just take it to the professional. Work out a payment arrangement, sell a kidney, whatever, just don't muck about with your only transportation.
I threw my car at a dealer (sadly no wizards on location). This type of job is a warranty undertaking so it's also noob void if the dealership has half a brain in charge.
I'm fortunate enough to have a grandfather and father who have the tools and the knowledge to do all this, so I learned to do it for myself. Working on your own cars is an easy way to save money, as long as you're willing to learn.
There is no such thing as a local Wizard. There is but one Car Wizard and he lives in a lair somewhere in Newton, Kansas.
Everybody told me my son's 2005 vw Jetta with an inline 2liter 4 cylinder was junk. About a dozen teeth had been ripped off the meat of the timing belt before it stopped running and came to rest next to a major devided highway. I had it towed to our house, only about 8 miles. I waited til late spring and after watching many many KZhead videos on just this subject, laid to myself, I 've got nothing to lose. I'm going to replace this timing belt and all the other stuff too. So after I bought the whole kit from some discount parts company on line. I went at it. The only other tool I needed to complete the job successfully was from our kitchen gadget drawer. A wooden shishcabob (sp) stick! That's how I found top dead center on the number one cylinder. So on a wing and a prayer. I finally had everything reassembled and I cranked the key................... and vroom!!! (as if an old Jetta 4cylinder could make a vroom!!!) The darn thing started up and has run as smooth as silk for my son for another 120k miles. And I wouldn't even call myself a shade tree mechanic. All I can credit this too is ...............Pop, thank you Dad, for letting me watch you work on cars for summer after summer. And maybe some of that watching and listening sunk in. Bless you Pop you were the best.
You have a perfect calming voice to explain to the public. This is something I had to learn as a service advisor, you have to explain to the customer. If you give them a heads up before it is time, then it's not a surprise and they're ready for the expense if you have the chance.
You are the most sweetest bold mechanic I saw in my life 😅 Thanks for a good advices
Thank u for clearing this topic up. Very good explanation that puts people at ease as to why costs are what they are.
i managed to do my 1st timing belt last week after years of toying around with the car,just building confidence up and concentrating hard.
Building up confidence is a LOT easier if you have "plan B" (back-up vehicle)!
@@TheOzthewiz true lol
I find it nice to be a member of a DIY car repair shop where there are more experienced car people to be able to help me. Of course I do my homework so I do have a plan on how to do it. But, you know, when setting the valve clearances it is really nice to have someone to show you the amount of resistance you should feel with a feeler gauge for a properly set valve. But sure not everyone who claims they are well experienced on working on cars are so in reality. Once you study a repair topic you can easily tell whose advice is strongly contradicting the official procedure and I will completely discard their advice and prevent them from "helping" me.
@@TheOzthewiz dude you speak truth. And yes if you have a back up car. Unfortunately I dont lol so my confidence in working on my only car is borderline paranoia
SE45CX slight drag on the feeler gauge and you’re good to go.
I've been watching a few videos and I've found them to be quite informative and unbiased. Thank you for what you do. You're teaching an entire generation of car owners important concepts without cutting off newbies.
Its his passion to spread good knowledge is what amazes me, other shops or mechanics would just keep the information for themselves so they can charge you for blinker fluid
My first couple of timing belt changes on my '97 4 Runner the shop I use checked the water pump and decided to not replace it. Finally at the third timing belt change they decided to replace the water pump with the timing belt change. They've always had good experiences with the original water pump on 4 Runners.
Thanks for pumping out the content. It makes being homebound much easier!
I have a 2004 civic with 300,000 on it!! It’s about to get its third timing belt and water pump kit. I bought the car new. I recently just bought a 2019 Honda accord touring 2.0.
that thing is a beast!
Which has a timing chain...
I’ll bet it’s not the original head gasket
how much does 2019 accord cost Out of the door?
Huynh Vu I paid in Nov. 30,295 + 2480 in taxes. The MSRP was 37,000. It has the 10 speed automatic transmission! 2.0 Turbo.
Great video. I'm self taught and changed a few timing belts and took my time. They were much simpler than the V6 Accord here. Great questions, explanations, and gives the overall view of the work and issues involved. I think I can do that Accord engine, but I would take my time and use a lot of care and effort. Since I enjoy doing this kind of thing, I would attempt it, but it would be nerve wracking, and the Car Wizard explains why it is a hairy process.
A buddy and I did my Timing chain on my 85 Toyota 4X4 when we did the Head Gasket. I spent HOURS on line watching videos so it was done perfect. It saved me a lot of money, but it took a long time to do it! I thought about doing my Subaru, but changed my mind!
15:15 A buddy helped me change my 1989 timing belt back in the 90's and I knew I never wanted to attempt that job alone.
ALF Raydough even chains need te be replaced sometimes..
@@MegaDraadloos only if you use cheap oil and your engine is stressed all the time. Chains done right last, just ask my first c klass with 2litre inline 4 and 650.000km++ on the clock.. The gearbox breaks before the engine does TIMING BELTS A SERVICE BULLSHIT AND NOT PREMIUM FEATURE
@ALF Raydough Timing belt vehicles are better and they're not hard to change at all because they're considered a wear item, where as there are dozens of timing chain engines with faulty designs that lead to timing chain needing to be replaced and because it was not considered to be a wear item when the engine and vehicle was designed it's a pain to change.
@ALF Raydough The timing-belt job on my non-interference '96 Camry four isn't so bad. But I got that car for free. Don't want anything with a V6!
Guys. Chains aren't wear-proof. yea they will last way longer. but they still have to be replaced. plus the crappy plastic guides end up wearing out every 100k anyway. so you'd have to get in there anyway. Almost no car is exempt from shitty plastic guides.
My 4 month old daughter loves watching the car wizard!
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Awww!!! That’s so cute!
I knew nothing about cars or mechanical stuff and my first car needed timing belt change service which I didn’t have the money for. Downloaded service manual, asked a friend for tools and did the job myself. Yes, took me full fifteen hours, but I did it and it was even not that hard. Hard was to reach to those hard to reach places. If you follow step by step and think twice before you do each move making 100% sure you understand, you’ll be sweet. Just don’t rush it.
I agree pretty much 100% with everything in your video. Forgot to mention how infamously hard the crankshaft pulley bolt itself can be at times lol. But for someone a bit more advanced than shadetree level most 4 cylinder Honda belts are less difficult with the oem service manual.
To get to the front timing cover the drivers side motor mount has to be removed so you have to have a way to support the engine. There are special tools available to help remove the crankshaft pulley bolt.
Or you can use the Ryobi 1/2" Torque Driver with 1070 ft/lb of torque and it will pop right off. @@1575murray
I remember my first timing belt change on my 98' Acura Integra lol. What a great time. Was driving from LA to Portland, engine lost power and wouldn't turn on anymore. Timing belt looked fine, but cam gears looked off. Flashed the light down further, you can see teeth sheared off the belt. Got it towed to an AutoZone and did it in the parking lot in about 5~ hours. Luckily I brought my tools with me, and thanks to KZhead, I was able to do it without too much of a hassle. The thing still started and drove to Portland, but gas mileage was shitty and power wasn't all there. Once I got to Portland, I took the head off and yup- bent valves. Replaced the head with a clean replacement I got for $50. Still runs great lol.
Now that’s reliability
@@eVerProductions1 I had to loosen my "belt" for that one.
@@eVerProductions1 That only happens when the belt isn't replaced when it needs to be. On Honda/Acura 4 cylinders, the belts are so easy and inexpensive to replace that I always just did it when I bought a car, that way I knew that I wouldn't need to worry about it for 70k-100k miles. The Honda V6s aren't even that hard, just time consuming.
PistonAvatarGuy nice then I’m definitely getting me a Honda soon, was a little thrown off by the interference hassle after being spoiled with my nice Toyota non interference engines but if it ain’t that bad to maintain a Honda I’m going in
@@eVerProductions1 A Toyota might still be a better choice. Honda still makes fantastic engines, but their overall quality hasn't been the greatest lately. Also, Honda 4 cylinders all have chains these days, so no need worry about belts on new cars.
Timing belts and head gaskets are fun to replace on Integra engines, I did it in front of other peoples homes a couple of times
You make me feel better about doing this job myself on the tiburon 2.0. Although I did have a step by step video from ratchets and wrenches on exact engine. Took me 2 days. 12 hours first day then 8 the next. That was 6 years and 30 plus thousand miles ago. Important video Mr wizard! I did my research beforehand… oh yeah I did it without air tools too. I had to wedge a breaker bar onto the crank bolt then crank the engine (fuel pump relay removed!!) to remove it. Thanks!
His videos, information and experience are great! Because this is what happens a lot!
"I've got a little box here" That hit me in my feels.
Thank you for the great informational video. My hats to go off to honest car mechanics that can explain the relative potential costs of a time belt service vs. a serpentine belt service. I am by no means a mechanic; I respect the mechanic that can explain to me in detail why the cost of a timing belt is so much. My hat goes off to you sir.
I recently changed the timing belt on my Miata 1992. I have it for 6 years and previous maintenance was done by the previous owner at Mazda official garage. I checked for weeks all possibles videos showing how to do the timing and I started the job. Guess what? The key on crankshaft was installed upsidedown and the belt was 1 teeth wrong on the intake camshaft. So going to professional doesn't mean for sure having the job done properly, unfortunately. Now my car runs like ever before and I'm so happy for having spent time learning and doing the job on my own. Important thing before starting this kind of job, make sure you have the tools to make it. If not, buy good tools first. Greetings from Belgium :)
Excellent video Wizard, they are very interesting and I learned quite bit, keep up the good work. Looking forward to your next video.
As a DIYer, I remember my first timing belt job on my civic took me two day. Those Chilton manuals make it look easy. Now after changing about 5 timing belts I can easily do a job in about 4 hours on a Honda. Having the proper tools and mechanic knowledge helps a lot!
civic's are easy,
i change my son honda civic timing belt first time my life and go about 2 hour ready, wery simple change belt, need only locked wheels no move anythink and then loose belt tensioner and change, 5 minute.
Turbo Dreams Hyundai too
@@mattivirta Yeah, my water pump, pulleys and seals are fine.
It’s a 3.5h job-that’s all we get paid for it. So if it takes longer, we’re losing money. I don’t like doing them for that reason, but I rarely lose money. I’ll try to get the customer to leave the car overnight-that way I can work on a cold engine 😬
I hate transversely mounted engines, and especially when changing timings belts. Best thing is a 4cyl enginge in a car that was also sold with V8 and I6, then there is plenty of room.
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Kalle Birgersson spot on, although with modern engine bays, doing timing jobs on longitudinally mounted engines can be just as much of a pain
Audis and the newer 4cyl mustangs are probably easier
It's a big pain in the butt and have to take apart half the engine bay just to get to it. Did my older Toyota, took 2 days!
You are STILL going to require the SKILL AND TOOLS to do the job. The little time saved would not be enough for me to risk blowing an engine!!
I have done it twice on my wifes 2011 honda pilot. 200k miles now. Took me 3.5 hours start to finish. water pump, pulleys, hydraulic tensioner, serp belt tensioner, and new serp belt
I just changed the timing belt on my wife’s Honda Odyssey. I agree with wizard, you really have to pay attention when taking the belt off and putting the new one back on. The biggest issue I had was getting the crank pulley volt off. Now that thing is tight.
Yeah, but I learned a trick on KZhead- crank the engine and the bolt will come right off. That kid with a long breaker bar jammed against the ground.
For a crank bolt. Buy an impact wrench. I took mine off with cordless impact driver. a DRIVER not a WRENCH that I rented from AutoZone....it worked but was overheating and had to let it rest several times in between so took longer and is clearly not the tool for the job. I later put it back on torq Dd to the correct foot lbs and retook it off with a impact wrench.
Great video, if I was In The area i’d definitely trust this man with my vehicles. Can’t say I get that trusted feeling with about 85% of car shops nowadays. My brother is an ASE certified tech and he recently quit working for a shop because the manager was pushing extra/ unneeded services to up the prices of the repairs and he just felt bad, so gets you thinking of how many shops do the same.
on a interference engine this is like a heart surgery.
I couldnt have said it better myself. I just commented that I've seen way too many people end up with bent valves. Lol
Ryan Coldiron I just done mine heart surgery on a Volvo 740 new head etc bent valves the whole shebang , my fault ouch my wallet hurts lol.
Why not steel chain timing?
@@shawnb1774 Belts are cheaper for the factory to get the cars out the door faster
@@shawnb1774 Belts are also slightly more efficient. Less rotational mass with a belt and less mechanical resistance on a belt with pulleys vs chain and gears. Chains are still the way to to go. IMHO.
This was the exact video I needed to watch. I'm a young DIY kind of guy (I love learning new skills) and recently started working on my car. I see my timing belt is due for maintenance next year in my cars owners manual. Thought to myself, "hey, you've done lots of the other maintenance jobs on your car, this is just the next step up, right?" No.. definitely not.. I am way under experienced to even attempt this level of work. Thanks for putting the time and effort into making this video. My DIY attempt at replacing a TB could easily have led me to either damaging or even destroying my engine entirely. I'm simply going to pay a professional with this one so thank you again!
Engine rebuild; my father and I did it. My father can do them in his sleep. He was teaching me how to do it. It was on an old simple V8 which was my first car. While he didn't rescue me, he was mentoring me. On my second car, I had the water pump go out on me on a simple front mounted V6. I had no problem doing it myself, but I did have to deal with a very bad sunburn which bordered on sun poisoning. I did it outside. Don't forget your sunscreen and possibly a hat if you're working outside on hot summer days. I looked like a well cooked lobster from the waist up.
Great presentation on the preemptive maintenance as it bullet proofs critical engine operation. I sure do enjoy your shop concepts with senior and junior mechanic scenarios! Keep up the fine work!!
Dude, this video was so informative to me. The basics of how engines work is like rocket science to the average guy so something like this really makes things make sense.
Great explanation on a timing belt issue, well done!
You’re descriptions are amazing! Thank you!
Thanks for the great video! My first real exposure to Timing Belts was when my friend had her's break on a 2001 Honda Accord. She had to get a new Engine. Then I bought my 1st car (a used 1994 Honda Accord EX) with no service records, and thought I could have someone look to see if I needed a new Timing Belt. The folks at Vandergiff Honda in Arlington TX told me they'd have to take it apart, and if they did that, they may as well replace it along with the other stuff you talked about. So they did that (at about 160,000 Miles, lucky me!) and did a very good job. Took about 8 hours!
Learned how to do this myself on my Toyota 2UZFE after learning the cost. Did it on a Land Cruiser and Sequoia. Both took me two days but got it done. I found the TB on those engines to be fairly straightforward following posts from forums, KZhead, and a Haynes manual.
Did a timing belt and water pump on a 82 Escort back in the late 80s in my driveway.it broke while warming up. A week later I was back into it putting a water pump on it. First time and a learning experience. Doing the timing belt etc. On our 13 Ridgeline. First time again for this service. You Tube to the rescue.
This cost me about $1k on my 01 Tundra. And I was happy to pay it after I looked it up and saw all that had to be done just to get to the belt. I missed my old CRX with the D series motor in it at that moment. Still had to take off a motor mount to remove the belt, but that was about it. Never did I think I'd have to remove a radiator for a belt. lol The good part of it however, was that the shop that did the work also found that I needed new radiator hoses and clamps. Only had to pay for parts to replace those, since they had to pull that anyway.
I just got quoted 650 for my serpentine belts. I did them myself in 20 min.
Joe Smith It’s a little bit harder on my Nissan Frontier but like I said 20 min. It’s three separate belts and the tensioners aren’t typical auto tensioners. Also the alternator has to be loosened for the second belt. Bust still not worth more then like 30 bucks to pay someone. Took 20 min for all three while trying to figure out how the tensioners work.
I like the questions asked from the background. Very good questions placed at the right time 👍
I just replaced a timing belt on a Honda 3.5. It was my first one. I used the factory service manual as a reference and watched a few videos. It was definitely a learning experience. I'm mechanically inclined by my only professional experience was as an alignment technician 25 years ago.
I was in that situation where I had to tap out mid repair due to an injury. The shop agreed to do it for half the price, I guess bringing shop manual+tips printouts, and having bolts labeled in ziplocks helped.
I did my 1991 Honda Accord timing belt changed 5 times and clutch three times by myself. I know how much I could save and time consume. The main point is knowledge, don't argue with technicans if you don't know the difficulty.
Thanks for the video. I was a student and cheap so I just changed the belt without anything else. Lucky nothing else broke in the next 5 years.
I just finished doing this job on a 2010 Acura TL. It took me & a friend about 9.5 hours to do. With the proper tools 🛠 one can do it. But you’ll have to be very mindful of what you’re doing.
I had a 62 Ford Galaxie with a 390 Thunderbird engine with a four-barrel carburetor. At ten years old, the timing chain broke, and my mechanic was able to knock it out in a few hours time. Timing chains are far superior. Also, my 87 Toyota pickup had a timing chain (the 22R engine), and never had to do anything to that engine except change the oil and filter. Sold it 13 years later, and as far as I know, it is probably still running.
Just had my timing belt replaced, after seeing this I'm glad I was not ripped off lol
How so ? How much did it cost and what's your vehicle ?
this is the second video of your I've watched after seeing you on Hoopies videos you are knowledgeable and well spoken that guy is very annoying thanks for posting these
Car Wizard is great. Love his insight.
Whoever was your mentor, he did a good job
Lol when I tell my friends that their timing belt maintenance is coming up they say "what is that?" .... That's $1000+ that's what it is.
Better off doing it yourself
Mine was only $580 bc I shopped around after an initial $1200 quote Bought the Aisin OEM parts off Rockauto for $180 then found a master tech that I trusted to do it for $400 labor with no warranty bc I supplied the parts which is ok bc I have faith in the parts and him
@@jeffbarkley3915 Rockauto is garbage so is Partsgeek, I would never buy anything from either one of them.
@@nomadicmonger9455 I've never bought anything from parts geek but I happen to know for a fact that Rockauto is legit and has the best prices. If u don't like em that's fine with me, I honestly could care less and I could care even less where u buy ur parts at too
@@nomadicmonger9455 I replaced half my car with Rockauto parts. You can't say "it's garbage" because they have like 18 different suppliers for each part. Is KYB garbage? Because you can buy them at Rockauto. If you'll choose only the cheapest parts, you might end up getting garbage.
Thanks for the video. Now I understand why I just paid my Honda dealer so much for this on our Odyssey.
Did my own job on a Toyota 1hz so I suspect I was on easy mode since everything was relatively easy to access and much simpler tech. Still was a huge job that had me praying I hadn't broken anything. Glad I undertook the job for the learning experience but it cannot be understated how critical of a job it is. Great video❤
I’ve always known timing belt jobs are expensive, but dam, I didn’t know how much was involved. Wizard you are the master.
Your totally right, I had a few jobs come in that customer started and couldn't finish. It's a nightmare,
My Dad's first question whenever he is looking for a car: "Belt or chain?". He's done enough belts for a lifetime and won't consider any vehicle with one.
jblyon2 Sadly you're limiting your options for most small engines, and with the plastic timing chain guide issues most engines use really not sure what's better lol.. I'm a mechanic and there's a reason I drive older vehicles, I abuse my personal vehicles to an extent and want to make sure it's as bulletproof as I can make it
And most car salesmen do not know or they say they don't know if it is a belt.
@@mundotaku_org Years ago, I accompanied a lady friend shopping for a new V6 Highlander. When I asked if it had a timing belt, the salesman said "No. It has a chain". When I asked the salesman why it called for timing belt service in the owners maintenance schedule, he said "that book is from last years model"! My friend went to a different dealer.
@@sunbeam8866 Never trust anyone trying to sell you anything.
@@sunbeam8866 The 4 cylinder was always a chain, but the V6 was a belt until the 2008 model year. If the guide was for a 2007 or older it would have mentioned the belt, but either way going to a different dealer was the right call. They're either lying or just that ignorant about their own products.
I love the teaching side of your videos. 🇨🇦
I just changed the TB on my 2015 VW Golf Sportwagen TDI. Cheapest quote I got was $1800. I’m confident in my abilities, and watched 3 thorough KZhead videos on the service so many times I had it nearly memorized (except torque specs). I had it done in 5 hours and everything worked out great. It is definitely not a job to rush through. I bought some new tools and the TB kit all for around $700.
I just had this done on my Acura. I was wondering why it cost so much. Thank you. Now I know.
I'm a diy guy my self. I did my own timing belt for under $50 and it took my 12 hours to do. most of that time was spent looking for the right tools. it's really not that hard. I saved my self like $1200.
How'd you learn to do it ?
It's easy to save money when you can park the car and take your time but man does it suck for the business that has to shut off a bay for 12 hours is losing $1200 (assuming $100/hr).
I replaced a few Timing belts from Honda/Acura and Toyota. If you're mechanically inclined, Have the tools and a repair manual vehicle maintenance is not hard.
Amen brother !!! It's not a rocket science.
Well no, how can you save $1200? It took YOU 12 hours. Time is money, you are simply horrendously devaluing your time.
I remember I was little worried on my first timing belt because You Tube was my mentor, but I did well and now I am confident after several done only on my cars but for some reason I wont try timing chain!
Last month i (a European) bought a $830 1999 Suzuki Baleno Estate 1.8 GTX with a timing chain. I runs smoothly, and the timing is still on point while having 180.000 miles on it . It has a distribution belt for the water pump. I looked for several months to get exactly the kind of car i wanted, and i'm extremely happy with it. It'll be a lot cheaper to maintain the most modern cars. I'm glad that channels like yours educated me on cars so i could make an informed consumer decision.
Boy this is making me proud I was able to do it myself.
I've done several, it's a great accomplishment.
It sure is a good accomplishment. What I find frustrating about repair procedures in manuals is that they only tell what you should specifically do. But I want to know the objective of that step in order to judge for myself if I did it correctly.
Depends on the car, some are easy and some are a PITA like this Honda
If its a FWD, it is usually a bit of a nightmare.
Good for you! Everyone should learn how to do it and save thousands of dollars.
I’d also check the cam and crank seals while it’s all torn down and replace them if they’re bad.
This is where you can throw the timing into death zone. Always be careful, And use a strap wrench.
I’d also replace the pistons while I’m that far into it.
@@ricky-sanchez typically the cam and crank pulleys are keyed on to the cam and crank, making it impossible to misalign them. Still a good idea to mark them though
@@SGcomputing haha. Let me introduce you to Volvo car engines, especially the 1999 - 2003 engines with their first generation VVT.
I got mine done at the honda dealer they replaced the timing belt and tensioner also water pump serpentine belt and the motor mount for ($1050.00 ) they wanted to charge me 1300 but other dealers had a timing belt service special going on and they price match it . My local mechanic wanted to charge me 700 dollars but I went to the dealer because they use original honda parts . Thank you for the video
I did this same job on a 2010 Odyssey and also on a 2009, after the belt had broken. Got to take the heads to get reworked after bending three valves. Yeah... the job is easily worth the money. Even *before* the belt breaks. The biggest "gotcha" I encountered was the rear cam jumping backwards about 30 degrees since, with the marks lined up, it seems to be *right* on top of a lobe. I understand there are tools to hold the cams in place, but I didn't have one. Good stuff!
I've only done 3 TB's, one Honda and two Volvos, all interference, and sure it's a chore but honestly it's no big deal, I'd do it on any vehicle.
How about a 90-92 Pontiac Gran Prix with the 3.4 L DOHC ? That engine is the greatest engineering fail of all time...till ford turned there once happy 4.0 OHV into a cammer SOHC. Timing chain replacements can suck way worse than any timing belt, thats for sure.
Volvo from what I recall is a lot easier than Honda.
@@Jame6999 Volvo white block was indeed easier than Honda J-series V6, although the adjusting belt tensioner was more sensitive.
Best mechanic on KZhead 👍
Hey Dave, I'm Reinaldo from the UK. Found your channel by chance and I'm going through your videos. I do many of the basic maintenance on both, my van and my motorcycle(usually on the street, don't have access to a garage). Perhaps because of that, I appreciate the complexity of changing a timing belt and always pay a professional mechanic to do it. I have attempted to do more complicated things, like changing the complete brake system on my van, or the mechanical seal on my motorcycle's water pump, that, for me was a challenge and I'm happy to say I was successful. But the timing belt? No way, I'll happily pay a professional mechanic. I wish I could have someone walk me through it and supervise me, but it is no possible, so I'm glad to pay to get it done. Besides, I'm saving enough money as it is doing all the other less complicated maintenance things already! Thanks for your videos and I'll keep on watching! Cheers, Reinaldo.
Thank you Car Wizard ,you're so amazing 👏
When I bought my 98 Ranger 4 cylinder I bought it running rough, cheap, with a new timing belt and drove it three years. Finally took it to the mechanic and he found the timing belt was installed wrong, off by three teeth, by Firestone and it was a miracle the truck ran at all. He put it on right and the truck doubled in horsepower! Been a fantastic runner 7 years and 100,000 miles later.
Hughes Enterprises I believe those are non-interference thankfully. If they were it could have been really bad. Those 2.3 and 2.5 Lima are solid.
Another reason I love the Cam in block pushrod design. Old but reliable
Then get a VW beetle 👍🏻
Reliable but the modern OHC engines are more fuel efficient and create more power per cubic inch. Most or all of them now have some form of variable valve timing.
@@1575murray All the money you save on gas is blown on "routine service".
@@wholeNwon Thats debatable. Depends on what car you buy.
Good advice, recently did the timing belt myself on my 2008 vaxhall Vectra 1.8vvt believe it's the same engine used in a Chevy in the us had to redo it several times because each time I cranked the engine round to check the marks, it was a tooth out, ended up with it done and running great but after a few weeks it started throwing up a service light and lacking power, so I have Given up and bought another car
Very cool video! I’ve done timing belts and it can be a bear to do! But it is doable! People do not appreciate how much work it takes to do the work! They just see the $$$$! People never cease to amaze me!
Just had local shop replace the timing belt on 2008 PT Cruiser Turbo. Glad to see that Honda is just as difficult! Replace 'timing belt' really means: New camshaft and crank seals, timing belt, timing belt kit, water pump and an engine mount. Total Bill: $1,162. Parts: $423. Labor: $739. Timing belts are very strong, but remember they are exposed to temperature swings of zero to several hundred degrees, over and over. They need to be replaced -- not just for PT Cruisers, but ANY small four-cylinder engine. (I believe Honda recommends replacing the timing belt at 7 years or 100,000 miles.) If you are not 'mechanically inclined', forgetaboutit! Let a pro do the work, and pay him for his skills and tools. If you buy ANY used car with a timing belt engine with over 75,000 miles on it, remember -- it will need a timing belt replacement very soon, so make sure you have $1,500 stashed away, ready and waiting.
Great video Wizard, I've done 22 years in the motor trade and as the years have rolled by peoples understanding of cars had gotten worse and worse, most people wouldnt know or care to check their engine oil.
You are super right about people not knowing shit about their cars now in days! I have met people who have owned their car for years and never even changed the oil! The attitude most of these people have is ride it until the engine light comes on or just ride it until the wheels fall off and it's a total loss to even try to fix and maintain!
I can attest to that. My grandson called recently one morning said his car started making a funny noise and lost power, I went to the rescue. First thing, I checked oil and added almost 4 qts. Thats all I had with me. It was still almost half a qt. low. Told him to start it bbut be ready to shut it off. As soon as it started I hollered shut it down, sounded like every rod was fixing to come through block. He asked me what it needs, I told him a preist to issue last rites. The boy didn't even know how to check the oil. Guess as long as it starts it must be OK. I ended up towing the car to the scrap yard. Then last week his momma bought him a new style VW beetle with the diesel. I told him read the manuel and follow it to every word.
Paying a mechanic has gotten exponentially worse as well
Mostly for the ignorant or don't care type of car owners. Usually the ones that own honda or toyota, are very ignorant, I know because I see it, hear about it, and etc. on daily basis, since I work in the car industry. Its usually the type of people that speaks english like this. Normal english : Windows Virus. Their english : Vindows Wirus. And these people fake Microsoft repair services, as well as pretend to be the tax department agents, and also do alot of fraud car insurance claims, and so on.
Never thought I'd see almost my car on the channel lol. I drive a 2017 V6 Accord Coupe myself
Start saving up for the belt replacement.
Once, ever - my son's first car (Fiat Seicento, which he loved dearly and still misses); read up, planned everything the night before, started as soon as it was light, by lunchtime came that moment of taking a deep breath and...hit the ignition. As always, it caught on the first turn of the starter and sounded perfect. Am not normally given to yelling and punching the air, but on this occasion... Suffice to say, if things had been different - like, we lived your side of the Atlantic - that tiny Fiat would have been entrusted to you. Other car shops,. please take note: Be More Wizard! Thank you (and best wishes to Mrs W).
This accord timing belt replacement was pretty easy, as long as you have all the tools necessary. Took me 4-5hrs just because it was my first time and i didnt have all the tools i needed so i had to figure ways to reach certain spots to take off certain bolts. All in all, this was an easy job for my 2013 accord coupe. I would rate this job a 6/10 for experience