The Joker's Original Role in The Dark Knight Rises
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What if The Joker was in The Dark Knight Rises? Taking a look at the original version of Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight Rises, exploring the Joker's role in the film had Heath Ledger lived.
⏱️TIMESTAMPS⏱️
0:00 Intro
0:15 Batman's No Killing Rule
1:14 The Riddler
1:59 Bane
3:03 Goyer’s Original Plan
3:57 Gambol Survived
4:36 A Tale of Two Cities
6:40 CGI Joker
7:32 Blackgate Penitentiary
8:21 Scarecrow’s Kangaroo Court
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I wish we would have seen what Nolan would have done with more realistic villains in Batman’s rogue gallery like Penguin, Riddler, or Black Mask
I feel like Black Mask always gets relegated to secondary villain (usually getting his cheeks clapped by Red Hood). Would be cool to see him be a main villain for once
There is a fan made sequel to the dark knight rises called “the dark knight legacy” , and it has some of those rogues and more.
Nolan didn't "get" the Penguin and didn't consider him a realistic villain at all. That's partly because he only seemed to know him from "Batman Returns", 60s Batman, and the Jeph Loeb comics.
after watching "The Batman" I really wanted it`s sequel to be about a mob war. Having Penguin , Black Mask , Rupert Thorn and Great White Shark vie for control of Gotham`s underworld would be vastly more interesting then most superhero fair we've been getting.
@@dxvdvss3252 usually in the Batman lore Penguin and Black Mask rise as Gotham's biggest mob bosses after Batman takes down Falcone in his first years of fighting crime. So maybe that could've been a subplot in a world where our version of The Dark Knight didn't exist
*”You and I are destined to do this forever”* He was definitely supposed to return.
No doubt about that: Nolan had Ra’s Al Ghul and Scarecrow come back in the sequels, in a way or another, so it’s certain a huge villain like Joker would’ve had a second match with the bat…
“You’ll be in a padded cell forever” Are you sure he was supposed to return? There were no plans to do a 3rd movie until after Nolan was done with Inception, Ledger had been dead for two years by that point
@@spaceace4387 In almost every iteration, Joker is known to easily escape Arkham, or whatever place he’s being held. The fact that they saved him and the Audience loved his iteration makes me think he’d be back. I’m pretty sure he was planned to return for a third movie before Heath’s death.
The first two films set up a lot that I think were just building the world of Batman, in a never-ending way. The third film put the kibosh on that by ending Bruce Wayne's story arc. But Robin taking over also felt like a setup for the audience to imagine Batman's future that we'll never see. I find it insufferable that people keep expecting everything to be sequel bait when that teasing is a part of the fun of a story.
@@laughslapproductions4690 What may or may not have happened in other iterations is 100% irrelevant as this is Nolan’s story. Also the assertion was the “you and I are destined to do this together” line is proof they wanted to bring the Joker back but now that I’ve debunked that assertion with what Batman literally said 3 seconds later, now we have to rely on other iterations to justify the non-existent plans to bring back the Joker? You are really grasping at straws here, pee-wee.
Even though Joker wasn't mentioned, he still was part of the story. It's because of him the Dent Act backfired and escalated into city wide chaos.
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@@Bulletsandblockbusters Heath best joker
The problem is when Bane read Gordons speech people immediately believed him. No one thought that Bane may have been lying about Gordons speech being his.
@@thatoneantoid51 By that time, Bane did some real damage blowing up the stadium and a good portion of Gotham. Trapped the police underground. The military couldn't do anything about it. Plus, they knew something happened to Batman. He could've blown through Blackgate with the tanks, killing every officer/guard they could find. Which they did involving the trials/walking on ice. Killing everyone of Gotham when they saw fit. He had complete control of the city. He didn't really need the speech. Even so, he could've said something about the Mayor or anyone above Gordon's status. Lying about them and no one could do anything but submit. Regardless, the people knew the leaders failed them for letting the mayhem transpire. It was merely the cherry on top.
@@devonmineheine The speech was more on the ideological war rather than a physical one which I don't think he should've won. Plus there's that big ass plot hole of sending literally 99% of the police officers underground in one particular tunnel.
You know a good version of Riddler would be a former spy/ intelligence officer who spent most of his career solving puzzles but now is the one making them, with a little more flair
That’s just as good as Nolan’s Mr freeze. Victor Frizz is a long term employee of Mr Softy. When the economy goes under and people stop eating ice cream, he loses his job and his mind. He also got hooked on crystal meth which made his body heat rise so he hides in a freezer a lot to cool down. Adopting the name Mr Freeze. Soon everyone in Gotham will be eating ice cream wether they like it or not!
@Scott_Peterson Oh.
The Riddler could have been captured and tortured by an enemy intelligence service leading to him going insane. This resulted in him being fired and now he wants revenge against America though first he wants to solve the greatest puzzle. Who is Batman?
@@Neil_Breen420hahahahaha
The riddler was in the Dark Knight as Mr. Reese when he was questioning Lucius about the tumbler.
I'll never forget seeing Heath Ledger's Joker in theaters, what an performance.
I loved it so much I saw it 5 times with different friends. All worth it just to see their reactions.
That idea of making The Dark Knight Rises a two part movie should've definitely been explored. I would've loved to have witnessed Batman being defeated by Bane in the first movie only to have him rebuild himself and save Gotham in the second movie. Would've been epic. I still love the movie we got at the end of the day though.
Agreed!
100% would have worked better in two parts. It's too much story for one film, it feels rushed.
They should have had Bane break Batman and introduced Azrael as a replacement in the 3rd movie. Azrael would then thrash Bane in the 4th movie and Batman would have fight for his mantle against Azrael who would have turned Gotham into a city of fear due to his brutal vigilante tactics.
So you would have added even more characters, and then we'd be saying it should have been three parts😅@@theoldgods8229
The problem is Nolan was already burned out from the 3rd movie. You can tell by the shaky third act.
My head canon is that Gotham became so strict on crime after the Dent Act that they made an exception to the insanity plea and decided to execute the Joker after the Dark Knight.
He was effectively a terrorist leader with multiple murders attributed to him and his men along with destruction of property. So, your idea makes sense and could even lead to further story ideas. They could've done that as a lead-in to the villain Lockdown.
@@davidcatlett4052 And he set up a hostage situation where the rescuers would have killed the actual hostages. Not to mention the bombs on the boats where he would have civilians killing each other. Dude was stone cold. Which brings up another thing. Dude got arrested. Where do you think he was headed? To where those prisoners were going. Let that sink in. Joker got arrested and had to share cells with those he just tried to set up to die. Someone would have gotten to him and the guards would have looked the other way.
Interesting how the loss of one actor can drastically derail and change an entire film project. Goes to show how important every aspect of a movie is, actors, writers, producers, directors, everyone.
See also… Chadwick Boseman
@@TerraMagnus excellent point. See also Carrie Fisher.
Yeah I mean it’s like a NFL team losing their star quarterback. It causes downstream effects on how to do it. Sometimes you can replace them but it’s tough
I don’t think anything got derailed. If you look at the story arc for Bruce Wayne that Nolan achieved across the three films, Joker’s arc closes with the end of Dark Knight. If he had returned it would have been a cameo role similar to Crane presiding as judge over the kangaroo court. Nolan would never sacrifice story over popularity of a character so the idea that joker would have had a major role in Rises just bc he was a popular character shows a lack of understanding for how Nolan develops stories…
Having Batman getting his back broken and the movie ending on a cliffhanger would have worked better than how they did do it, with him getting his back broken for 15 minutes and then it flashes to 6 months later where Bruce is learning to walk again.
The Dark Knight is in my top 5 movies of all time I must of watched it about 100 times and still feel entertained each time, such a shame ledger passed away he would of been huge by now, I don't see heath I just see the joker hands down one of the greatest performances of all time
For April Fools Day, you should do 'What could have been: Quentin Tarantino's Thomas the Tank Engine'
I think John Oliver got pretty close… kzhead.info/sun/dK5rm8mLgayPrJE/bejne.htmlsi=88VhXEZXaudYGxxq
Or Steven Spielbergs Pepper Pig
Or Tim Burton's Winnie the Pooh
Or Peter Jackson doing a ten minute short film.
What about John Carpenter's Barney?
Damn. Imagine watching The Dark Knight Rises, having Batman be broken and defeated by Bane, dragged to a prison, the city starting to fall and then a close-up of Bane holding his coat with a pleased look on his face as the movie fades to black and credits roll. I would have flipped my shit right there. And this would have been years before Infinity War.
The sequel would be called The Dark Knight Stands.
Exactly. Would have been infinity war before infinity war
@sumthingwikked4257 The Dark Knight Returns, haha
@Dreadjaws Not to mention that in the second part, we'd have more time to see the occupation of Gotham City and the day to day stuff that Bane's men were doing to the public.
This is what I would've done if I was making a series of Batman movies. It would be my 3rd Batman movie. The story would be a combination of Knightfall and Arkham Asylum. Ending with Bane revealing he let the inmates lose in Arkham, and eventually breaking his back. Fade to black.
7:44 - That is EXACTLY what I said on how they could've given a nod to Ledger. Bane refusing to release Joker because he can't be controlled. Bane's whole deal was to control, harm and destroy Gotham. Joker would've messed that up just for the chaos of it. I thought that would've been a great nod that even this underworld mastermind doesn't want to deal with Joker.
Something like that does happen in the movie novelization.
@@thatoneantoid51really?
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp a few of Banes men pass by a cell at Blackgate and they see Joker sitting alone. There's a few KZhead videos that go deeper into this that i reccomend watching. It's a paragraph long but the author did it with respect to Health Ledgers legacy.
Respect to Nolan for not just following the studios direction and going with Leo as Riddler. I'm sure it could have been good enough but I'd always much rather have a villain who ties into the themes of the film, and not just have whatever studios think will sell. I also thought leaving Heath out of Rises entirely was a respectful choice; though I've heard some criticism.
Had we got Leo as Riddler, I doubt we would've gotten Paul Dano as Riddler in The Batman (2022).
@@christiank2608 yeah good point. Glad we didn't cos Dano was great
Eh, I'd rather have Leo or Depp as the Riddler than Dano. And it would've completely given to the story if Riddler would've been wound up by the Joker. Just imagine, they're in Arkham together (oh wait, The Batman did that) and Joker manipulates Riddler just like he did Two-Face. But yeah...this was so much better 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I'd say Joker was most likely taken into custody by federal authorities after the Dark Knight and probably executed or held at a black site or somewhere like Guantanamo Bay. He committed multiple major terrorist attacks on a major city.
Heath Ledger's Joker is still, IMO, the single best acting performance of this century and probably in the Top 10 of all time in the history of movie cinema.
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I wasn’t expecting this one because there wasn’t a vote but and hype to watch this
It’s a remake of an older video I made that I did early on and was embarrassed by so wanted to redo it
@@Bulletsandblockbusters oh yeah I remember that video now
Fun Fact: Ryan Gosling, Matt Smith, Sharlto Copley And Mark Strong Were All Considered For The Role Of The Joker Before Jared Leto Was Cast
Matt Smith would have been great
Copley is an inspired choice
Half of those make no sense honestly
Matt Smith would be great as it would be accurate to the comics
@@lothianedwards7816Yeah, I want to see him as a good villain
I wish The Riddler was the primary Antagonist and a 13 year old ROBIN helped Batman fight crime in this sequel
Robin especially one that young would feel so out of place in this universe. i don't care how good at martial arts he is no way am i believing a 13 year old kid is taking down grown men with guns in this grounded world nor would i believe this version of Batman would allow a 13 year old kid to fight crime with him
That sounds fucking terrible lmao
@@evenhartwick4422that's where the campiness and comic book logic comes in. If you only want gritty and realistic, then you limit Batman. They pretty much already did an older Dick Grayson in Batman Forever, and it made no sense.
@@daboos6353 whatever they could just do Dick Grayson's backstory in a dark and gritty way and the Riddler would work out as a fine villain
Of all Superhero or even imo any movie that could have been, the proper Sequel to the Dark Knight with Heath Ledger and whatever Nolan would have created, would be the one films I'd want in an alternate reality
I would have LOVED to see more of Heath Ledger’s Joker or Leonardo DiCaprio’s Riddler, they probably would have stolen the show from Bane, and I am glad he got the spotlight in the movie.
Heath was not the Best Joker. He WAS the Joker
Here's what I reckon could've made for a really cool idea if The Dark Knight Rises was a 2 parter. You know how Bruce just appears in Gotham for the 3rd act? What if Act 2 of part 2 was Batman's journey to get to Gotham and needing to find allies (either other DC heroes, characters from prior films or new characters) to not only get him to Gotham but fight. And while Talia Al Ghul's twist was heavily established-I think a neat idea would be Batman fighting Bane' goons and finally meeting Bane in a penthouse only to discover Bane has been dead for some weeks and killed by another villain. Talia, Ra's (not really dead), Scarecrow, Joker or someone else and they've been pretending to be Bane since his death. Also the two parter could've allowed not only The Dark Knight trilogy to set up Man of Steel, but allowed that franchise to have Christian Bale come into conflict with Superman (and Joseph Gordon Levitt's Robin)
yeah the title would have been the dark knight vs the man of steel
knight vs. steel
this is the most horrendous sequel idea ive ever read bruh wtf does superman have anything to do with it
@@mrreddead fr bro, sounds like fan fiction
What Could’ve Been: Hellboy III
I always felt the Dark Knight Rises ended too abruptly and just crammed so much in one film. A two-parter would given the story more gravitas. And having Heath Ledger’s Joker in the story would have been a fascinating dynamic. Another masterclass video on what could have been my friend.
I will always wonder what a DKR with Heath Ledger' Joker would've looked like. I imagine they probably would've stuck to there original plans of holding off Two Face for 3. Or perhaps if Two Face still met his fate in the Dark Knight, would've used a different villain alongside the Joker like Hush or Black Mask or Deathstroke or Penguin or even Harley Quinn. I also wonder what a third film would've looked like with Riddler as the villain, only the mind can ponder and wonder though I suppose. RIP Heath Ledger, the one and only Joker. Also, let's face it, if Bane released Joker, Joker would try and sabotage Banes plans the first chance he got.
Well while these movies don't really strictly follow a comic structure. The third movie has ALOT and I mean ALOT surprisingly in common with Bane & the Knightfall comics already. If Heath Ledger had survived, I could definitely also still see Nolan doing this storyline. Because even if he's moreso a side character in that story, he's still incredibly impactful. They absolutely had all the pieces for that, with the only thing missing being the amount of varying villains escaping from Blackgate/Arkham.
Since Batman, Joker and Two Face pretty much wiped out the mob. In between movies Penguin and Black Mask rose up and started a war to control Gotham’s underworld. And as Batman becomes a problem for them they start looking to hire hired killers and such and in comes Bane. But Bane has his own motives and is simply using Black Mask and Penguins pawns. Gordan and Batman can even mention that ever since the Joker, the old style Mobsters kind of went away and replaced with more violent and “colorful “ personalities.
The third film was my favorite of the trilogy. I thought Bane was almost as good as the Joker.
I have a such nostalgia for the Dark Knight Rises man. I lived in a Pittsburgh suburb where it was filmed, and everyone in my town always goes to Pittsburgh because it’s literally right there, so in 2011 in the Summer I was on my way to Best Buy with my mom when I saw a ton of cops fighting random dudes and I had no idea what was going on until I saw BATMAN fighting a dude in a scary looking mask at the Mellon Institute (No one knew it was Bane at the time) and I was so overjoyed knowing that a Dark Knight sequel was coming out, I remember buying the Lego set and us watching the news in Elementary School because everyone everywhere was making a HUGE deal out of it. I doubt I’m ever gonna witness another movie being filmed again, especially not where I lived, but damn it I’m glad I got to see that :)
I would have taken my chance with the early rumours that Johnny Depp as the Riddler and Philip Seymour Hoffman as the Penguin or the other being that the movie is based on Batman: Prey where Hugo Strange is the main villain as Batman did take the credit for Harvey’s crimes.
Question: Why do you think Bane is overrated?
@@adrianthearmorwarrior1605answer: he’s not
What Could Have Been: David Lean's *"NOSTROMO"* (Based on the 1904 novel by Joseph Conrad, author of the 1899 novella: "Heart of Darkness") with Steven Spielberg as the producer (before he left and was replaced by Serge Silberman) and an all-star cast with Georges Corraface in the title role, Marlon Brando, Julian Sands, Peter O'Toole, Isabella Rossellini, Paul Scofield, Anthony Quinn, Christopher Lambert and Dennis Quaid.
I agree, now that would have been amazing.
@@jonsimpson9640 Ironically, Georges Corraface and Marlon Brando would co-star together in the 1992 film: *"Christopher Columbus:* *The Discovery"* directed by the longest-running Bond film director John Glen (with Corraface replacing the then 007 Timothy Dalton as Columbus and Isabella Rossellini - who was to star as Queen Isabella I - being replaced by Rachel Ward).
The image of joker being the sole inmate in an entire asylum is so creepy and cool
The Dark Knight Rises could have been incredible but its so sad what happened to Heath Ledger, but i must give it to Nolan because the final cut of the movie is still incredible.
I'm glad you re-uploaded this video with additional info, to me its one the greatest what if's in cinema history
This movie definitely has flaws, but I really like it. Bane is just as iconic and as "fun" to watch as the Joker.
Thank you for the behind the scenes story. I love your videos!
Thank you! Thrilled you love them
Such shame Heath died after dark knight released, When I watched dark knight rises in 2012, I didn't know Heath death so I thought why Tom's bane never recruited Heath's Joker never appeared in movie
Are u serious? Heath’s death was a huge story. It was covered for quite some time. The initial death was covered extensively. Then when the film was released it was covered again because of how great his performance was. Then it was covered again for a 3rd time due to him winning the Oscar posthumously. How did u miss that? It was practically a year long story
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Supposedly, there was a scene in the original script explaining that Bane's mask emitted aerosolized Dilaudid, which is a massively powerful opiate painkiller. It's essentially hospital grade heroin. The quote I remember reading from Nolan mentioned that addiction was a big part of Bane's character. The addiction, a clear backstory, and his motives setting him apart from the Joker. The studio nixed all of this because it was during 2010-11 which was the height of the opiate epidemic.
Yes! I always look forward to these videos!
Channel awesomeness Fanfiction did it perfectly, a 2 part film where joker steals the show in every scene
Really enjoy the videos, they keep me good company at lunch time. Always look forward to them. Thanks!
a two parter would have been cool
'Do I really look like a guy with a plan?' Joker's 2nd appearance would have revealed him to have been connected to the League of Shadows. Its what the trilogy is truly about but possibly would have lessened the Joker's impact in retrospect
From the moment I walked out of there midnight screening in 2012, I thought that they made very good film that could have been 2 great films. They really should have done that.
The thumbnail 😤
Another good video. That's the big thing people need to remember here - there was no version of Dark Knight Rises with Joker. The character was kept alive if they needed him but they didn't already have a plan for him or anything like that so they didn't have to alter the film because of his passing, there was nothing yet. I knew Dark Knight was supposed to be 2 filns original, didn't know they thought about it for Rises as well. I think it was smart to combine the Dark Knight ones, I don't know how well that second half would have worked as a separate film, but maybe splitting Rises would have been a good idea. Part of the problem I had with the film is that it is hard to tell how much time has passed between things - throwing him in the pit and then making the audience wait 3-6 months for Part 2 would have helped with that. Plus I think there is more to work with there than what Dark Knight would have had. I think 2 films would have given the story a lot more room to work with but the film we got was still pretty good.
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I would have loved a two part Dark Knight Rises! It’s still a great movie. However, The Dark Knight is forever a masterpiece in Batman cinema next to Batman 89.
Bro I really can't handle every single sentence with the Mr. Beast cadence, I promise you however you naturally speak would sound great. No calculated cadence needed
They honestly shouldve kept two face for the third film. Everyone likes to talk about Heath's joker (and rightfully so), but Eckhart's Dent was criminally overlooked and underrated. Two Face deserved to be the main baddie of a Batman movie.
the 'I think you and I are destined to do this forever' line is I think just fan service, Batman and Joker are mortal enemies and that line hammers that home, it wasn't really trying to set up future battles
In the time between Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, I read an article teasing who would be the villian in future installments. It mentioned the Penguin and said the role could go to either Phillip Seymour Hoffman or Bob Hoskins. Now, I like Hoskins, but Hoffman would have been the perfect Penguin: elegant, refined, and smart. On the other hand, I still would have loved to see Hoskins as Perry White. Could you see him yelling, "Great Caesar's ghost! Don't call me 'chief'!"?
I think that instead of getting thrown into a "Lazarus Pit" on the other side of the world after getting his back broken, Bruce would get imprisoned inside Arkham Asylum as the Joker's cellmate. (As a reference to what Joker said last time, "Maybe we can share one [a padded cell]") Maybe give a little more Joker backstory or at least motivation while testing Bruce psychologically, ending with them working together to escape and stop Bane. Before Joker inevitably goes off the rails and pursues his own cause, of course.
I quite like how this film turned out and I really dig the soundtrack especially "Imagine the Fire"
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There are so few trilogies where the third one isn't the weakest: Spider Man 3 Dark Knight Rises Godfather 3 Return of the Jedi X men: the last stand Etc The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King is one of a few trilogies where the third one sticks the landing.
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Those movies were trash
@jasontodd1896 I never said they were bad (I love Return of the Jedi, Spider Man 3, and The Dark Knight Rises) They are just the weakest out of their trilogy
Yeah, that never sat right with me, Gambol dying from a cut cheek. That was wild 💀
If an artery was cut Gambol would have bled to death
@@25DoubleDare within a *_second??_* Dude got served instant death from a cut cheek when it has taken people minutes-hours to die from wounds to the neck, throat, heart, chest or lungs
Even since I was a kid this was my 1st biggest what If I always wanted but know I couldn't have.....Fortunately I am still grateful for Heath Ledger's performance as the Joker and I'd rather him rest in peace then bring him back with CGI like what happend to those actor's in the flash movie with that awful looking AI CGI scene
well shit. i was just thinking about this last night and you posted this today 😮
I wish the Dark Knight Rises had Just Penguin and Hugo strange as The Villains and Taila al Gull could still be a Secret Vilian
Next, we need to see George Lucas ' original ideas for Star Wars: A New Hope.
It’s coming at the end of the year
If u read the novelization of The Dark Knight Rises, the book very briefly touches on the whereabouts of the Joker explaining how he's locked up inside Arkham Asylum.
Imagine that Joker incident was Gambol's "one bad day" and in the next film he returns with a big scar on one his face and says "From now on, call me the Black Mask"
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Yup! Will eventually do TV
Instead of creating “John Blake” Robin I always thought it would have been cool for his role to be filled by Barbara Gordon As well as giving her cameos in _Begins_ and _Dark Knight_ ending the trilogy with her becoming Batgirl
The one villain I wanted to see Nolan tackle was Mr. Freeze,.
I honestly think keeping the Joker’s character completely confined to the second film was the best outcome.
Nolan and Goyer becoming more interested in developing Man of Steel explains so much about this movie's dip in quality
I actually really liked Dark Knight Rises but it could have been absolutely amazing if Heath Ledger's Joker was in it!
yeah
The idea that the ideologies of both Batman and Bane would get challenged by Jokers anarchy could have been brilliant.
I can only imagine the Joker just ruining Banes and Poison Ivy plans and just doing what he does best, which is ruin Batman's plans and cause even more unpredictable chaos. Prob killing ivy himself and trapping Catwoman with bane so she dies as well but also keeping bane locked away so the joker has Gotham all to himself
Having dent as the villain in film 3 makes so much sense, which they went that way.
I think it would've been intresting if black mask was second in command in bane's army and in the pit and got injured and had to wear a mask like bane
It also be could to have black mask so we could get into the class warfare theme
Mayb he should have made a 2 parter, imagine Batman being left in ruin at the end of the movie, Talia Al Ghul just being revealed and only Robin, Catwoman and Commissioner Gordon being left as a 3 person militia, there we have 2 amazing 2 hour movies
I did see some concept art for this vision . gosh maybe an a alternative universe there enjoying this for sure.
From what I heard, The Joker would have had a cameo in TDKR where Bane's henchman and freeing all of the residents of Arkham Asylum, but The Joker freaked them out too much and kept him locked away in his cell.
Despite its fails I still love the movie Is better than the average Superhero movie. But yeah wish they woud use a more Smart and tactic Bane like the comics. More scenes between Bruce and Selina Also I think that the Rich vs poor aspect of the film should have been explore More. Maybe More similar to the Dark Knight Returns comic were the city Is isolated due the Atomic Bomb and the Mutants gang Is fighting against the Gotham citizen but Batman riding a horse arrives and stop them of Killing eachother. Also I would like a better fights coreography like the ones in Inception or Tenet
At the end of the dark knight rises when Gary Oldman character is doing a voice over as the scenes continue to play the overhead shot of Batman statue and looking at the seating placement I noticed that the two top curved rows were the eyes and the statue was the nose and the bottom row of seats was the mouth and the flash from the camera was a white smile because joker had white skin so I think that was a nod Chris nolan did for heath ledger
Rises being 2 parts would have been way better. When the town gets taken over, I feel like it comes and goes and it’s hard to know how much time passes. If the first part ended where they wanted. That year in between the films would have really felt like Gotham was taken over for a while.
So glad Nolan didn't put a cgi Joker in that film, it would've been such an insult to Ledger.
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Thanks. I might! I’ve had a few requests
I’ve just watch a scene form the dark knight rises😂😂😂😂😂
Specifically the scene where Batman shows the city that he has returned🦇🔥
Personally, I am of the opinion that making it a two-parter should have been the route to take. Trying to blend the themes of A Tale of Two Cities along with elements of The Dark Knight Returns, Knightfall, and No Man's Land was too ambitious for one film, even with the runtime the actual movie had.
I have heard of some of these. Would’ve been cool if we got all the planned movies & TDKR was the last film bc I do love that ending for Bale’s Batman.
It's crazy what a death will do to a character. Makes you wonder if Jared Leto died what his joker would have been (which was quite good, but people cry because it's 'not MY joker!!')
They really dropped the ball. They should have recast him. They had Joseph Gordon levitt RIGHT THERE and he looks practically like heaths twin.
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Yes, it’s a remake of one of my first videos that I wasn’t happy with
I do think a face replacement similar to Paul Walker’s would have worked. It’s not disrespectful as they had already wanted him in the movie. If they had the family’s permission and credit him and the other actor for the part. It would have been similar to the Carrie fisher situation
This film was still very good, but it can't compete with The Dark Knight, I think Batman Begins gets overshadowed too by The Dark Knight, because it was also a masterpiece.
Ugh, that movie should have been called, "Bane Makes a Speech."
I have always felt that this should have been a two parter before Infinity War and Endgame, I even tried writing an alternate fan take that would have been “The Dark Knight Falls” then Rises , but then college and all that, I never got around to finishing it. Not sure why I said all that now.
Wasn’t it confirmed that they were going to continue the Jokers storyline by having him meet Harley Quinn in Arkham and seeing her transform into a villain, she was meant to be played by Sarah Michelle Gellar.
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Bale didn't have a strict no kill rule. You mention him saving joker but he kills Harvey right after and Talia in the next movie and her driver and fires explosives at several other drivers
Hear me out, ya'll. I always had this idea of keeping the Joker in the story without being able to use the Joker. There's an 8 year time jump between The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises, so in TDKR after the opening sense introducing Bane, the following scene would have been news coverage of the Joker's execution and the introduction of Dr. Harleen F. Quinzel. She would be sort of an avatar for the Joker in the film, and during the films climax she would have given Catwoman someone to mix it up with while Batman dealt with Bane. I would have nixed using Talia at all. Harley's backstory would have been told though a brief flashback and some exposition. The just of her story would have been that she fell madly in love with the Joker while she was treating at Arkham. She fought and fought for him to not be put to death, but other doctors deemed the Joker legal sane. Harley was removed as his primary psychiatrist and fired from Arkham because she had obviously cross out of professional boundaries. The Joker was transferred to Blackgate and executed by lethal injection, causing Harley to go completely mad and seek revenge as well as carry on the Joker's work. Chaos. Joker would have only appeared in shadow, or from behind so we would never actually see his face. There's definitely an actor out there somewhere who could have mimicked Heath Ledger's Joker voice, and we would have only heard him say a few words.