Former Post Office CEO Paula Vennells refuses to comment on whether she misled parliament
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Former Post Office CEO Paula Vennells refused to comment today when questioned by Channel 4 News if she lied to MPs.
It was the first time she has been seen publicly since this programme released damning revelations confirming Post Office management knew of issues with remote access to its Horizon system, several years before prosecutions were halted.
She will give evidence to the public inquiry next month.
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She should be jailed, her pension cancelled and repay ALL bonus money she received.
And her salary!
She should be forced to receive one golden shower from a postmaster every day.
maybe a few stern looks by a judge
Take everything she owns under the Proceeds of Crime Act.
@@truckerfromreno police not act on a friends of tory they got budgits to think about .not to mention the chief of police might upset a lot of powerfull tory like the one who knighted her .sitting unelected next to another unelected pm.
What's the point. She will only lie again. She should be in prison for the total number of years postmasters did.
As a start, I would like to see her return every penny of the bonuses she received as CEO of the Post Office - then we can talk about a prison sentence.
Longer than that. 184 of the accused postmasters died before seeing things overturned. At least one of those was due to suicide brought on by depression stemming from the cases. She deserves more than a bit of cash being taken from her and a suspended sentence.
Vennells has lawyered up.
I can’t believe that the upper class are bang to rights but never suffer. The working class are sacked immediately!
@@nigel789 Not to worry - apparently there are new sentencing guidelines coming in which mean that poor people will just get a slap on the wrist.
Jail her.
And ED Davey he was Minister who ignored the fiasco
yes and all the rest in this giant conspiracy - all in it together.
Oh, so it wasn't the Tories that awarded this women a CBE in 2019???
Guilt written all over her weasily face.
needs custard pie thrown in it.
I think she was born with a ferret-like countenance as befits her behaviour. I know that's being unkind to a ferret. And yes - she'll escape genuine justice. At best she'll be given an 8 hour community shift polishing her churches silverware, and she'll STIILL be fawned on by like-types on her circle.
This gerbil doesn't do verbal
Excellent description.
Why the F*** are Fujitsu still winning government contracts? Scummy big government/ business.
She belongs in jail but knowing British justice system, nothing will happen or she will get a slap on the wrist!
She might even get severance pay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@paradad999 she already did. She should return all the money!
Two tiered justice system 😢
She has cover from her high ranking government cronies...she will not serve a day. She will claim her god saved her when it will be more than evident that it will be those trying to save face and political careers that pull the strings of any police investigation.
She'll be in the house of Lords before long
Ask for her bonuses back under proceeds of crime. She not only lied and committed perjury, she also benefited personally under false pretenses by claiming bonuses she was not entitled to.
Paula's bonuses were funded from the pockets of the subpostmasters who used their own money to make up for the Horizon system's accounting shortfalls.
Need to claw back her income from those times also..
Bonus and wages. She was getting our tax money.
Nothing significant will happen to any of those people who made millions on the backs of post office workers even though the truth is out. Not only are they rich, they also have no conscience. Same story throughout history, if one has money and status, their criminality will be overlooked.😢
a government official scamming the public? what's so novel about that? most government officials are scamming the public in one way or another
Her silence speaks volumes.
No it doesn't. Personally, I think she probably knew everything and that if indeed she did she deserves to be in prison for a lengthy life-altering sentence and have assets related to her time at the post office stripped. But nobody sensible would comment to a journalist when being doorstepped like that. Whatever she did or didn't know, she's better off not saying anything when a journalist is trying to score cheap points. It's pure theatre, you don't hold anyone to account like that.
@@lairdinhocan’t u hear it
As does the Archbishop Of Canterbury. Already up to his neck in the mire.
@@lairdinho Correct. Also, I am sure that she is under instruction from her legal advisor not to make any public comment. Doing so would prejudice any trial, and possibly to the extent that she might not then be successfully prosecuted, regardless of the nature of her comments.
People commited suicide because her lies ruined their lives.
Very very sad. 😢😢😢. There has to be justice. ❤❤❤🙏🙏🙏.
she and all senior management that knew of these issues should be in prison.
But she is a woman so in this feminist society she's unlikely to go to prison.
They absolutely should!
the silence, speaks volumes.. needs to be held accountable, along with everyone in the know of this despicable miscarriage of justice.
But she is a woman so in this feminist society she's unlikely to go to prison.
Her church must be so proud
Their whole organisation is built on a lie. She's perfect 😂
Religion, what a great invention! Glad I didn’t buy it.
We all know religion is, and always has been riddled with corruption, wrong doing, abuse, and numerous other issues. I can't see the media challenging this any time soon. It's easier for them to target the police, social workers, MP's etc.
She's using the church to prove her truthfulness.. clear as day evil.
How do think they get their roof replaced?
Psychopaths succeed in business as they have no empathy
Correct we are sending people to jail for stealing pennys.yet she has cost the taxpayet 300 million and sending innocent people to jail.othets took their own lifes.i bet she gets off scott free and is given a peerage
She needs to be punished if she is not then we should all disregard the law
I don’t care who you are wrongdoing is not exclusive.
and narcissists
She's now CEO of a NHS trust... unbelievable
Disgusting.
Actually she isn’t . She resigned in 2020, along with her non executive directorships with Dunelm and Morrisons …. Plus she resigned as Anglican priest …….
@irishvicar1963 although she resigned as a priest she's still "collared" and hasn't been defrocked by the CofE.
@@matthewarnold5531 that’s true
You must be kidding a CEO how can anyone allow this
Vile woman!
She should clearly be arrested.
Paula Vennells not serving at least 5 years for her part in this scandal will be the biggest miscarriage of Justice
Only 5 years? She deserves LIFE
5 years is not enough life meaning life....
Yes, but just watch her weasel her way out of what should be justice for her criminal agenda that has destroyed so many honest peoples lives.
no the biggest miscarriage of justice is her handling of this crime!!
Why is Zahawi being interviewed about this, he had to resign due to avoiding tax? Hardly a moral exemplar, he's just trying to wash his reputation.
So does his dirty past make vennels any cleaner?
@marksavage1108 no one is saying that but he Nadeem is just as much as a criminal too they shouldn't even be interviewing him
Because he was on the committee that spoke to Paula Vennels?
Exactly! Why is he allowed to claim the moral high ground?
@blue2sco loool yeah reward a criminal like him Naddeem with a position in a committee
Evil in plain site
Paula Venells seems to have learnt nothing about morality from her membership of the Church of England. Secondly, what was Fujitsu's motive in taking the money from sub-masters' accounts? What happened to it? If these were random errors, there would also have been instances of money being added.
I’d like to think it was a bug in the program that cause the accounting errors but it was noted by people both Fujitsu and Investigational as well as postmasters themselves but was totally ignored and powered that be knew of it as well. Postmasters need total compensation plus interest and taken from Fujitsu and Post office bonuses that’s already been handed out and if Vennells can’t pay she should be put in jail u til it’s paid then serve her sentence for perjury
I think it was a bug that was specifically related to money coming in being double counted if there was a faulty connection between the handheld terminal and the computer system, which is why it resulted in shortfalls. So they sell something for £10 and it gets counted twice even though there was only one transaction.
But she is a woman so in this feminist society she's unlikely to go to prison.
What happened to the money is that it was eventually taken into post office profits (boosting Venel’s and fellow directors’ bonuses).
@@alantalbott8377 So it ended up that in the basement at Fujitsu there was a room where people were employed to use the post masters' actual accounts to change the figures, whilst they continued to deny that this was possible. I'd still like to know what the system's audit trails have to say about this.
The wrong people were jailed and had their lives ruined, now it’s time to jail those who knew, she’s not the only one though
100% sure she should be prosecuted
But she is a woman so in this feminist society she's unlikely to go to prison.
100% sure she will not. Disgusting.
"Lessions will be learnt moving forward" - That's all that'll come of all this unfortunately
HIDING IN A CHURCH IS ALWAYS A LAST RESORT
Nowadays, the church hides in the church.
The ''Proceeds of Crime Act'' needs to be used in this matter. At the right time.
No remorse.
she lied. she said she didnt know the issues at PO but we now know she was told and yet for the next 6 years they prosecuted SPM's
Paula vennabals should go straight to prison minimum 25 years
HEAR HEAR.
Ms Vennells earned £5.1m during her time at the helm of the Post Office, peaking at £718,300 in 2018. That year her base salary was £253,800 and she earned £390,800 in bonuses (plus pensions and other benefits).
“Received”. Not earned.
Defrauded! Not earned
But you cant live on that can you??????
Why aren’t these people in jail already
All the postmasters need to bring a civil case against this individual.
She needs to be doing a lot more praying with what lies ahead for her in the future
It was CLEAR years ago she KNEW .
…ps - I guess this is also Channel 4’s offering to “affirmative action”.
What a stain on British Justice this whole affair really is. Fujitsu have as much to answer for as the Post Office and Paula Vennells have. The British Justice system in general needs to take a good look at itself for this to be allowed to happen in the first place. How many of those post masters put the faith in the justice system only to be utterly let down. This can never happen again.
The Justice System (at court level) deal with the FACTS put before them in court. That being so, the facts presented to the courts are all they see and hear and cannot 'assume' anything. Therefore, the (completely wrong) facts were judged upon and these poor SPMs were wrongfully jailed. Absolutely NOTHING to do with the justice system, it worked perfectly well. Now, had you said it was bent lawyers and liars like vennells that caused this, that would be a different kettle of fish and one I would agree with👍🏻👍🏻
But it will happen again.
Her silence is deafening. If he gets the PM's job, Keir Starmer needs to expand the proposed Covid Corruption Commissioner's brief to beyond dodgy PPE contracts and cover all aspects of corruption and miscarriages of justice in the UK. Whoever gets the post would be extremely busy.
Starmer is in the pockets of big business and would not risk losing its political donations by going after any overpaid corporate executives. How many crooked bankers have ever been sent to jail?
Kier Starmer was in the CPS at that time so he equally as guilty
@@alantalbott8377 Starver will never go against the corporate executive class as his version of the Labour Party is directly funded by them.
@@alantalbott8377 BS. Just because he was technically in charge of prosecutions does not mean that he even knew about the cases, especially as none of the cases under him had been flagged by ANYBODY at that time. You demonstrate your own lack of understanding of how things work, especially as the vast majority of cases were laid by POL, not the DPP. I believe that literally only 8 cases were filed by the DPP during Starmer's tenure. Nor was he "In the CPS at that time", he was THE DPP, you dunce.
@@alantalbott8377 No he wasn't you fool! The PO brought private prosecutions; nothing to do with the CPS.
Why wait for the public inquiry? There is so much evidence now that the police should bring her in for questioning and charge her
Because it most likely runs much deeper than the Post Office. The finger might point towards the Civil Service.
But she is a woman so in this feminist society she's unlikely to go to prison.
Perhaps there will be a Royal Commission next ? Anything to delay prison.
@@StuartJ I don't see what part the Civil Service would have had in running the Post Office.
The police have already started investigating certain individuals, although they've not released any names.
I bet the Archbishop of Centerbury is quite relieved - she was in line to be consecrated as the Bishop of London. Can you imagine the embarrasment to the Church if that had happened?
To be fair the first head of the Church of England murdered 2 of his wives so she is evil, yes but he top trumps her
Apparently Welby (yet another old Etonian), wholeheartedly endorsed her candidacy until recently.
@@jocelynpeabody7208well, he's part of the HTB tribe, well funded by the right wing, racist, Paul Marshall.
@@jocelynpeabody7208 well, is anyone surprised? The churches are corrupt entities preying on people.
@@jocelynpeabody7208 Yes he did. He's is up to his neck in it as well. Different matters. Ill bet you the fragrant psychopath Vennells found out about it. Church contacts etc.
She is finished. Matter of time. They'll abandon her.
Jail time now !!!
Really can't wait for her time at the enquiry. 😊
No point. She will just lie like she always does.
Vile woman. Justice for the postmasters, criminal investigation now, charges now. She cannot be allowed to gwt away with this, the actions she presided over rauined lives, and TOOK lives.
Its time when MPs and people like this got charged with misleading us. The MPs work for us and are our servants or should be. That should put us above them.
You want the those MPs who support the genocide in Israel to be our servants! They are laughing at the working class,
She needs to lose her house, pay back her money paid for those years she was in charge, her pension and her liberty. She and others need to pay for their actions. Sorry just doesn't cut it.🚔
trouble is govt allowed her to have free reign so she exploited her power to cover all post office mistakes. She is a very srious criminal and deserves jailtime and to repay her illgoten gains in full!!
thats rich someone of the cloth telling lies and covering it up wot a hypocrite
She knows what she should do.
John sadly I do not think she does Sociopaths never do
@@johnavery3941 She might go "mental health" or the other.
@@johnavery3941 It's far too easy to throw terms like 'sociopath' around. It's also pretty meaningless. She's a sociopath? What do we learn from that? Nothing. She's a person who did some terrible, terrible things. Most of us are capable of terrible things, but most of us don't do those things. If we simply dismiss her as a sociopath, then we get nowhere nearer understanding how things like this can happen and how to prevent them in future. Just to be clear, if she did know what was going on, she deserves a lengthy prison spell.
I'm sure there are some high beams either in her church or at her leafy home she paid for with stolen money.
🙏Let us all pray for her .... 🙏 That she eventually sees the inside of a jail cell ... 🙏Amen ...
They will find a way to give the bill to Mr Public, won't they?
Yes she did. And reminds me of the crowd who ran my local CofE Church in the sixties and seventies.
The Post Office have been saying all along that they didn't know about serious software issues and that there was no remote access to counter terminals based on assurances from Fujitsu, so if there is now proof that they did know and they continued prosecuting these poor people then surely that is a crime and Ms Vennellls should face charges?
A working back door, which worked as the programmer intended. How is that a software issue?. fujitsu need to explain why an accessible working back door was there, and its intended use.
@@marksavage1108 The back door wasn't a software issue, but that the system wasn't transactionally safe was.
@@rhodaborrocks1654 It is sort of an issue, a big fat whopping issue. the transactions were safe, until they were the ones making the numbers unsafe. it was only the back door that made the system unsafe. and safe from who if not themselves?If fujitsu didn't ``fiddle`` with the postmasters spreadsheets bottom line, none of this would be happening and them creating the situation is the only situation.
She knowingly destroyed lives.
Don’t worry folks, we know what happened. She has no shame, ethics, morals or a shred of integrity! She let an IT system that wasn’t fit for purpose destroy the lives of innocent people. She lied in the inquiry and she’s deliberately misled parliament and the public. She had the power of corporate lawyers to do her bidding and Fujitsu, Vennells, all the lawyers and various levels of management across the Post Office and Fujitsu must be held accountable!
Why wasnt it fit for purpose, that back door accessibility worked as they intended it to. You dont just get remote access to £million accounts with a software glitch. Its the very first thing you make sure the software does NOT have.
YES YES YES!!!
@@marksavage1108 They clearly didn’t!
@@willienelsongonzalez4609 A computer system either works the same across the board or it doesn't, so why was only a percentage of post offices affected? remote back doors dont just pop into a supposed safe system. that has to be programmed in. the system worked for the majority, it was only the fujitsu staff altering the postmasters accounts that made the system appear to be faulty. I suspect fujitsu were faking a bug to have a maintenance contract added. The horizon system is only an electronic spreadsheet with an inbuilt calculator, It should have been flawless, So unless the PO management asked for the remote access to be added, for what other reason would it be there?.
Pure evil.
I have worked closely with a number of CEO’s in the past, all have been fully aware of the importance of their position within the company they were in charge of. In the event of any kind of misfortune or mismanagement within the inner workings of any business, there’s a sliding scale of culpability. Depending on the severity of said misfortune or mismanagement, (like in this case, very severe) the higher up the hierarchal ladder the responsibility firmly sits. Any CEO that thinks they can’t be held accountable for other people’s actions, within their realm of responsibility is sadly mistaken. I don’t understand why PV and her associates ever thought otherwise, something tells me that they were so arrogant and up themselves, they thought quite wrongly, that they were all untouchable!
One law for them, and another for us. Wait and see !!!
We need a wide ranging commission to investigate all corruption in this country - police and political corruption included. We are fed up of this BS-show that this country has become
So the corrupt investigating the corrupt?
The reputation of the whole criminal justice system depends on a prosecution
Corporate manslaughter. Fujitsu should be held accountable too for keeping quiet
Her life is one big lie
Jail
What the heck is that Zahawi doing in the news? This is the guy who became chancellor WHILE being investigasted by HMRC. Shame on you, Channel 4
In their defence he was implicitly involved in the investigation into this miscarriage of justice in his professional capacity. Agree he is a crook but in this example he was a relevant guest
@@richardtuxford1812Yes, to a point, you're right. I feel though, that the fact he trousered 4.8 million should be mentioned as a caveat.
@@suzannemcguigan2752 agreed! Don't get me wrong the guys a crook, but on this specific issue he was actually on the right side of the line
@@richardtuxford1812 yep, he was on the PSC that interviewed Vennells on this (for those who don't know). Crooks interviewing crooks...
I still do not understand WHY Fujitsu were changing figures>
FRRAUD, THEY RUN MINISTRY OF DEFENCE IT TOO
Why is it still being called a glitch, that remote access back door worked as the software programmer intended it to. Its normal for programmers to NOT allow remote access to £million accounts, its like the local bank spending all its time locking up the front doors and giving the back door keys to whoever. So why was it there in the first place, and what was the intention of creating free access to another companies cashflow?
Although I agree with him I find it deeply ironic for a politician, especially a Tory, ask for someone to come clean.
Of course, there's no flies on the Labour Party's #2, that Reynar woman.
Tory whataboutery is their only defence. The most corrupt government ever, and yet you continue to support them? And who is Reynar?
What about her predecessor also Adam Crozier and Fujitsu's CEO at the time??
I agree but it goes deeper ,bliar and the new labour mob have questions to answer
Stinks doesnt it
Who pocketed all that money
Sounds like the post office did.
I’m not so sure as their books wouldn’t reconcile. I think it was those fiends in the Fujitsu basement!! They altered records and pocketed the money
@@Dragonsitter "They altered records", yes probably. "And pocketed the money", how?
Went to the PO's bottom line. Nothing to do with Fujitsu's finances as others are speculating. The system generated the errors and the PO pursued subpostmasters for cash that had never been missing in the first place.
@@Dragonsitter How?????? when the money taken off the Postmasters went into the PO accounts. we should be asking why the back door was programmed in and worked as intended, a back door remote access is as far from a glitch as it gets, So what was the motive for that working back door to be there?.
1. Met Police - Explain to me what it is you do? 2. Channel 4 News: Where did you dig up this studio reporter from? Rudely interrupting and asking questions not related to the current report.
There must be several people who need to be jailed over this.
Yes she miseld them. It's not a question anymore, it's fact.
From what we have seen recently, she did mislead Parliament and lied in court. She should end up in prison, at least as long as the Post Office victims.
Why is it that they are still calling it a glitch, a flaw? it was a working back door which worked as they intended, IT MUST HAVE BEEN PART OF THE SOFTWARE. So the first 2 questions should be, why was the back door there, and what was fujitsu`s motive for putting it there?
Of course Paula Vennels lied to MP's. As a person who is also an Aglican priest she cannot be seen to lie, but, as an ordinary person she does not want to get into any more trouble than she is already in, so she took the easy way out and refused to comment.
JUST LIKE BISHOP BALL. EVIL UNDER A VEIL
Too little far too late, justice delayed is justice denied.
Bardzo dobrze powiedziane Dla polityków czas nie ma znaczenia Co za tortury!!!
Britains 2 speed justice system....fast lane for the peasantry, the long grass for the well connected.
She can't be honest because she will go to jail 🤣
She will get away with it. They always do.
She should go to jail and be fined an amount that will financially ruin her.
Always good to hear the thoughts of the MP for tax avoidance and expense fraud.
Yes she did, she should be jailed for deliberately sending innocent ppl to jail
This evil woman should be behind bars how does she sleep knowing how she ruined so many people and some lost their lives unbelievable
JUST ANOTHER 'KAREN' SOLDIERING FOR BRITISH FREEMASONRY.
Fujitsu have blood on their hands, yet very little pressure seems to be put on them
AND THEY GOT BILLIONS in contracts from their chums in the Civil Service AFTER theis was exposed. WTF !!!
Pots and kettles.
It appears it was so easy to alter Post office records without a trace. Was someone actually stealing the money and then using the system to blame the Sub Postmasters?
Went into a holding account till the end of the FY, then moved into Surplus funds for distribution to executives and shareholders ?
Things like that are as far from a software error as it gets. remote access is usually the very first thing you make sure the £million accounts do NOT have. Which brings the question of why fujitsu was lacking the very basics of software security. OR ask why they programmed the ``glitch``in? and what was the intended use of this perfectly working back door?
Professional liar
Can you imagine knowing that people were being jailed wrongly; family people; older people; regular working people; and just carry on jailing them?
The directors of the time should pay back their bonuses to repay damages to postmasters
Jail.
She needs to be in prison!!
Ed Davis knew about it, so the government was informed?
Yes but her lying on camera at the select hearing is all the evidence ed davey needs to plead ignorance. we all know he was already ignorant to reality, its quite nice of him to confirm how gullible and stupid he is.
@@marksavage1108 his brother in law was the solicitor in the case?
@@Sebastian-pc1qf She thought it was a simple lie, that ``scripted denial`` damned her as the top of who gets accused. Its the politicians' equivalent of the pre-nuptial agreement, this ain't their first fraud rodeo.
Enjoying her freedom while it lasts
If Paula Vennells is not tried for the heinous crimes perpetrated, on her watch, reportedly with her connivance . What message does this send to the entire population? Does aTwo tier system of justice exist? . One for public sector (gets away with murder) others go to jail. David
🌟 get her out of that church #datswatsup
I'm surprised she was allowed to enter consecrated ground.
I'm truly amazed she can even show her face in public.
She is guilty of cooperate manslaughter and lying to parliament but the worst that will happen is losing her reputation and title. She will live a rich secluded and comfortable life instead of go to prison where she belongs.
Get her sewing mail bags
👏
All the money the post office bosses made should be given back as they knew their was a problem but decided to press on and charge and jail innocent people justice must be served
Sometimes dark people hide in light places.
Another woman og God doubled down as the devil 😈
Why isn't Fujitsu taking any heat? there should be jail time for responsible people in Fujitsu. They are at the root of this crime. In addition, many of the issues and problems are rooted in the government procurement processes, something that has not been addressed at all in this inquiry.
The 'scared' british government bring back the disgraced zahawi to try to make vennels the scapegoat, taking the heat off all the others involved - including themselves 😑 (IMO)!
What did Vennells preach? Did she encourage her congregation to steal from postmasters, and then lie at the expensive of having postmasters jailed? it must have been unorthodox sermon.
THE OMEN
I think the Church also needs to comment on a position of responsibility being a proven liar.
Gawd, a spandex bicyclist too 🤦♂️