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00:18 - Building up from the back
01:32 - Full-backs
02:31 - Midfielders
04:44 - Wingers and strikers
After 20 years as a player at the top end of the game, Cesc Fàbregas made his first steps into coaching at Italian side Como. Having led youth and reserve teams for the Serie B side, the former Arsenal, Barcelona and Chelsea star made the step up to interim head coach in November 2023.
As a player, Fàbregas worked under some of the most prominent coaches in the game, including Arsène Wenger, Pep Guardiola, José Mourinho, Vicente del Bosque and Antonio Conte.
In this exclusive Masterclass with The Coaches’ Voice, filmed in May 2023, he gives us an insight into how he wants his teams to build up from the back to create attacks. Using a 4-2-2-2 system, Fàbregas runs through the roles and responsibilities for players in each position, reveals the obsession for playing forwards that he inherited from Wenger, and explains why he sees the midfield as key to the game.
It’s a brilliant insight into the philosophy of an exciting young coach, who will now be putting his learning to the test on the grass. We hope you enjoy it.
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After seeing what Xabi Alonso is doing at Leverkusen, i can see Cesc having a similar path. Both were players that had great vision and were always 5 steps ahead
Because they have both learned from the greatest ever tactician in the world, Pep Guardiola. Alonso is doing great. Xavi won the La Liga. Arteta got 2nd place in the PL just behind Pep. Kompany won the English Championship. EnzoMaresca’s Leicester is topping the English Championship this season. Fabregas is of course, going to become a great tactician. He is a Spanish midfielder. So he reads the game in a more sophisticated way, because Spanish midfielders THINK a lot of how to build up. Not just hoof the ball forward. He is a La Masia graduate. So he has learned the football philosophies that are passed on from Cruyff. He has learned from Pep Guardiola, who has revolutionised modern tactics, taking the complexity of tactics into a whole new level, making it like a micromanaged chess game. He got his coaching badges at Arsenal under Arteta. Which Pep, Arteta and also Fabregas himself, are Spanish midfielders and La Masia graduates.
Cesc also learned from Mourinho and Wenger.
@@louissolano9929 Mourinho is just about simple kick and rush, parking the bus football. Not much tactical complexity in it. Wenger said that he prefers to give freedom to the players rather than doing much tactics. A lot of ex players also said they learned tactics the first time once they left Arsenal. This approach works in the old days. But as tactical systems are getting more and more advanced, complex and sophisticated, his approach won’t be able to beat the modern micromanage chess like approach. Wenger might have taught him how to build a vision, a culture, how to develop players. But in terms of tactics, more than 95% of their knowledge is actually from Pep, because Pep’s approach was way more advanced than other managers.
if he really knew his 5 steps ahead is in chelsea as a substitution player, he would not leave arsenal.
@@thierryhenry674he literally said he doesn’t like having the ball and moving it around. That’s what guardiolas teams do.
Strong De Zerbian vibes here 👀
Yep
Just watch your latest video and it is similar to the same style of play.
I feel fabregas style is more suited for big teams while de zerbi's is too strict/rigid
I feel sorry for the next generation that will no longer be able to see artists like Fabregas, Ozil, etc, due to the game becoming systemised & robotic - blessed to have watched some special special players!
Warren Zaire Emery could be that type of guy
Artists exist, they're just not lazy anymore 😂
Cancelo, Zinchenko, Guerreiro, Kimmich are those type of players. It’s just that they are playing fullbacks in the modern game. A lot of false 9, are also those type of players. ColePalmer, Foden, Fernandes, Silva, Gundogan, Pedri, Gavi, DeJong are also those type of players. Neuer and Ederson also seems to be very silky. It’s just they are goalkeepers.
the lazy classic number 10..the magician..the creator who's is no longer with us. Players are pawns who are being controlled by the manager. They are told what to do in and out of possession and all of the players are physically strong enough to play 100min. The magician used to have more time and space around the 60th min. Time and space are limited. Football in 2023 is a tactical physical game with a lack of magic and creativity. Its boring and predictable. The fifa should have seen this coming and should have intervened on time by rewarding attacking teams or remove the off side trap which would create more time and space for the magicians and creators.
@@thierryhenry674 the only artistry zinchenko can do is knit a sweater with his tears.
Dizerbi out here inspiring the new generation 👑
I'd love to see a video demonstrating the rotations and combinations used to play through a mid block rather than an aggressive press. I think most big teams face mid/low blocks a lot and I'd love to see what they're trying to implement in order to penetrate the last line.
exactly this way of playing out doesn't work if the striker just sits and centre backs are the only free man
Such an underrated legend, an OG......... My go to player way back in fifa 13 haha❤!!
Me too
Literally no one uNdErRaTeS him. Why is the younger generation OBSESSED with calling every.single.player underrated?
My Favourite Player of All Time: ● Fabregas was 17 years old during virtually the entirety of his breakthrough season of 04/05 and made 33 league appearances (24 starts) in a side just off the back of winning the previous seasons league without losing a game, finished 2nd in that current campaign and won the FA Cup. Just let that sink in. Absolutely frightening 😲. ● Youngest Arsenal goalscorer: (16 years 212 days v Wolves Dec 2003) Youngest Arsenal goalscorer in League: (17 years 113 days v Blackburn Aug 2004) Youngest Arsenal goalscorer in Europe: (17 years 217 days v Rosenborg Dec 2004) ● Only he and Evan Ferguson have 10+ goals/assists to there names as 18 year olds in the Premier League era who weren't from England. Had to get that one in as an Irishman 😄. ● Statistics show that in the five years prior to Fàbregas's departure from Arsenal, Fàbregas created 466 goal-scoring chances, made 86 assists and scored 48 goals, all three statistics topping those of new teammates Xavi and Andrés Iniesta, despite both having made more appearances in the same period. ● 09/10 League Season: Apps: 27 Goals: 15 Assists: 15 Who knows what numbers he would have finished with that season if he'd avoided a few niggling injuries during the first half of that campaign and not fractured his leg to Barca in March and been ruled out for the remainder of the season. I've no doubt that he would have comfortably broken the record of 20 assists in a PL season and in all likelihood would have 20+ League goals to his name alongside it. All from CM at 22 years of age in his second season as club captain as well it's worth noting. ● All time leader in history of assists for Spanish national team. ● Most assists as a CM in the 21st century ahead of the likes of Lampard, Gerrard, Iniesta & Xavi. ● Only player in PL era to record 10+ assists in 6 separate seasons. ● 2nd All Time Leader in assists in PL history to Ryan Giggs who spent 9 and a half more seasons than him in the PL . ● Made captain of Arsenal at the tender age of 21 as well. He was absolute magic.
@@jamesking1239 they watched highlights only probably and no one talks about him anymore.
Just imagine Cesc following Xabi Alonso's path. Imagine Xabi managing Madrid and Cesc managing Barça simultaneously. It would no doubt be amazing to watch.
not sure if barcelona want cesc to come back as they are the one who asked him to leave in the first place.
@michaeljohan6205 that's not necessarily what happened. But even then, he came through La Masia and would most likely take the job if it was offered to him unless another club like Arsenal had made an offer at the same time. But that is still probably a few seasons aways so there is time.
@michaeljohan6205 also, he would be coming back as a coach and not a player so...
I am glad that Cesc is bringing back of 10 role back into football. A true la masia graduate.
I like that Fabre isn't exactly like his former managers, or specifically a Barca style. It's unique in buildup formation, adapted to today's game and how important positional play is, while also managing a Serie B side where player development is different than spain, england, france etc.
Yep this is basically what De Zerbi is operating currently at Brighton who average the highest possession in the league. Not surprising since Cesc played his best football in possession heavy sides (Arsenal and Barca). Only flaw with this system is that it isn't universal. It's success is entirely reliant on press resistant and duel winning players all over the park - including the GK. Furthermore, accurate long passers and direct wingers are essential as 1v1 situations can be common if the opponent is aggressive with their press as Cesc explains.
Just started and already has a Masterclass video Excited to see how he grows. Midfielders tend to become good managers
Spain had some of the greatest midfielders during his generation.❤
Javi Guerra and Gabri Veiga up next!
@@ozumsauce2605 not veiga. he is a good goal scorer, but aint a good midfielder
One of my favourite players when he was arsenal. Such an artist on the ball. Coming from a Liverpool fan
This guy thinks exactly like de zerbi. On paper, thats how brighton stood when building up last season. The 4 man midfield is something growing more and more. Guardiola and De Zerbi were the first to think of this brilliant 4 man midfield last season 🔥
tuchel won the ucl with a box midfield before dezerbi and guardiola
@@brianlim3530no we didn't
@@jude_I Yeah We did it
So a 4 man midfield was just invented... Christ Almighty 🙄
Tuchel already used a box midfield of mount, Kai, kante, and Jorginho. In his second season he used mount and Kai out wide and used James and Chilly as the 10s from wingback when attacking and the wingbacks as wingbacks when defending it was a pleasure to watch.
You can see De Zerbi’s influence 👏🏽.
a great futbol mind. i can see him going very far in his coaching career. would love to see him back at chelsea in some capacity. Good luck Cesc
My Favourite Player of All Time: ● Fabregas was 17 years old during virtually the entirety of his breakthrough season of 04/05 and made 33 league appearances (24 starts) in a side just off the back of winning the previous seasons league without losing a game, finished 2nd in that current campaign and won the FA Cup. Just let that sink in. Absolutely frightening 😲. ● Youngest Arsenal goalscorer: (16 years 212 days v Wolves Dec 2003) Youngest Arsenal goalscorer in League: (17 years 113 days v Blackburn Aug 2004) Youngest Arsenal goalscorer in Europe: (17 years 217 days v Rosenborg Dec 2004) ● Only he and Evan Ferguson have 10+ goals/assists to there names as 18 year olds in the Premier League era who weren't from England. Had to get that one in as an Irishman 😄. ● Statistics show that in the five years prior to Fàbregas's departure from Arsenal, Fàbregas created 466 goal-scoring chances, made 86 assists and scored 48 goals, all three statistics topping those of new teammates Xavi and Andrés Iniesta, despite both having made more appearances in the same period. ● 09/10 League Season: Apps: 27 Goals: 15 Assists: 15 Who knows what numbers he would have finished with that season if he'd avoided a few niggling injuries during the first half of that campaign and not fractured his leg to Barca in March and been ruled out for the remainder of the season. I've no doubt that he would have comfortably broken the record of 20 assists in a PL season and in all likelihood would have 20+ League goals to his name alongside it. All from CM at 22 years of age in his second season as club captain as well it's worth noting. ● All time leader in history of assists for Spanish national team. ● Most assists as a CM in the 21st century ahead of the likes of Lampard, Gerrard, Iniesta & Xavi. ● Only player in PL era to record 10+ assists in 6 separate seasons. ● 2nd All Time Leader in assists in PL history to Ryan Giggs who spent 9 and a half more seasons than him in the PL . ● Made captain of Arsenal at the tender age of 21 as well. He was absolute magic.
He's going back to Arsenal.. He has been there for about 3 years straight in the off-season honing his coaching acumen. In fact Wilshire consults with him on a regular basis
I hope he becomes Chelsea's manager one day
Best of luck for your new journey legend 💙❤
What a player
Wowww❤. Next level coach
Interestingly, this is how Brighton plays these days
Exactly how dezerbi setsup and plays his game
Cesc Fabregas, the artist 🎨I hope that he will do a similar job that Xabi Alonso is doing at Leverkusen
Fabregas at Arsenal was something else
But sadly he didn't get any clinical striker at Arsenal. He controlled Midfield but nobody from Arsenal put the ball in
My Favourite Player of All Time: ● Fabregas was 17 years old during virtually the entirety of his breakthrough season of 04/05 and made 33 league appearances (24 starts) in a side just off the back of winning the previous seasons league without losing a game, finished 2nd in that current campaign and won the FA Cup. Just let that sink in. Absolutely frightening 😲. ● Youngest Arsenal goalscorer: (16 years 212 days v Wolves Dec 2003) Youngest Arsenal goalscorer in League: (17 years 113 days v Blackburn Aug 2004) Youngest Arsenal goalscorer in Europe: (17 years 217 days v Rosenborg Dec 2004) ● Only he and Evan Ferguson have 10+ goals/assists to there names as 18 year olds in the Premier League era who weren't from England. Had to get that one in as an Irishman 😄. ● Statistics show that in the five years prior to Fàbregas's departure from Arsenal, Fàbregas created 466 goal-scoring chances, made 86 assists and scored 48 goals, all three statistics topping those of new teammates Xavi and Andrés Iniesta, despite both having made more appearances in the same period. ● 09/10 League Season: Apps: 27 Goals: 15 Assists: 15 Who knows what numbers he would have finished with that season if he'd avoided a few niggling injuries during the first half of that campaign and not fractured his leg to Barca in March and been ruled out for the remainder of the season. I've no doubt that he would have comfortably broken the record of 20 assists in a PL season and in all likelihood would have 20+ League goals to his name alongside it. All from CM at 22 years of age in his second season as club captain as well it's worth noting. ● All time leader in history of assists for Spanish national team. ● Most assists as a CM in the 21st century ahead of the likes of Lampard, Gerrard, Iniesta & Xavi. ● Only player in PL era to record 10+ assists in 6 separate seasons. ● 2nd All Time Leader in assists in PL history to Ryan Giggs who spent 9 and a half more seasons than him in the PL . ● Made captain of Arsenal at the tender age of 21 as well. He was absolute magic.
Amazing
This man will be an exceptional manager
Amazing!
This is great insight 😮
brilliant
Good luck fabrepass ❤
I wish him good luck in his coaching career
Fabregas had such a strange career. His peak was at Arsenal where he only won one trophy, and even tho he played his part in the Spanish dominance, at club level even when he won he wasn’t the main guy like he was at Arsenal. Honestly the best vision I’ve seen in football, he could pick a pass from anywhere
My Favourite Player of All Time: ●Fabregas was 17 years old during virtually the entirety of his breakthrough season of 04/05 and made 33 league appearances (24 starts) in a side just off the back of winning the previous seasons league without losing a game, finished 2nd in that current campaign and won the FA Cup. Just let that sink in. Absolutely frightening 😲. ●Only he and Evan Ferguson have 10+ goals/assists to there names as 18 year olds in the Premier League era who weren't from England. Had to get that one in as an Irishman 😄. ●"Statistics show that in the five years prior to Fàbregas's departure from Arsenal, Fàbregas created 466 goal-scoring chances, made 86 assists and scored 48 goals, all three statistics topping those of new teammates Xavi and Andrés Iniesta, despite both having made more appearances in the same period." ●09/10 League Season: Apps: 27 Goals: 15 Assists: 15 Who knows what numbers he would have finished with that season if he'd avoided a few niggling injuries during the first half of that campaign and not fractured his leg to Barca in March and been ruled out for the remainder of the season. I've no doubt that he would have comfortably broken the record of 20 assists in a PL season and in all likelihood would have 20+ League goals to his name alongside it. All from CM at 22 years of age in his second season as club captain as well it's worth noting. ●All time leader in history of assists for Spanish national team. ●Most assists as a CM in the 21st century ahead of the likes of Lampard, Gerrard, Iniesta & Xavi. ●Made captain of Arsenal at the tender age of 21 as well. He was absolute magic.
He was at his peak in terms of experience confidence and ability at Chelsea
Experience at Chelsea yes... but confidence.. 🤔.. He went from being the fulcrum of a midfield to an afterthought then role player at Chelsea
@@yaredmussie4086He was much better individually at Arsenal. He had more success collectively at Chelsea and I know he got 18 assists when they won the Prem in 14/15 and got something like 11 assists from 11 starts during the second half of the 16/17 campaign when they won it that season but he was a much more well rounded footballer in his Arsenal days. He was far nimbler on his feet, had more demands in his role, and was given licence to get up & down the pitch, which made him a massive goal threat as well as being able to drop deeper at times and dictate the tempo of games. He was pigeonholed into a strict & specific deep lying playmaker role under Mourinho & Conte, which, although he performed brilliantly, restricted him from showcasing other aspects of his game. He performed best when he had the freedom to get around the pitch as an all action midfielder similar to someone like Gerrard during his peak years. His best years, imo were from 2006-2011.
Out an out De Zerbi ball🤩
I remember being a kid and seeing fabregas wearing arsenal #4, i loved the way he played so much that i started wearing that as my jersey number even as a winger lol
Fabregas ♥️💙
*The guy who learns a lot from the genius Arsene Wenger and Pep Guardiola* 🔥
Arsene the guy who did literally nothing after 2006.
hope to see you at barcelona❤
this guy is a god bless u cesc much love
he is not a god
@@hammer6854 didnt mean literally homie
I know you will be great as coach, mark my word and i wish you will come to chelsea someday 🤞
Watched a video about de zerbi Yesterday and this is so similar
My favourite players are becoming managers😊
he's going to be a good coach
Man cesc was so good In the midfield
Wenger, pep and mourinho would be proud
Good content
Hope Cesc can become a great coach one day Was such an intelligent player
That ‘never on the same line’ at 1:09 to create the triangle is sublime. (Coming from a no-knowledge person with an appreciation of the details).
The triangle has been such a strong shape/formation in so many sports. I love it.
I think Xavi said it somewhere, but it was like "football is a game of space + time", which is interesting concept. Create geometrical shapes throughout the pitch to enforce numerical superiority, and wait to find the space of the defender who leaves their position and attack
@@sm44july love that analysis
@@sm44julyMichels -> Cruyff (+Juan Maria Lillo and Marcelo Bielsa) -> Guardiola (then Xavi)
so much like roberto de zerbi
You should come to CFC soon. As a under 18 coach and then the main team
My idol
My Favourite Player of All Time: ● Fabregas was 17 years old during virtually the entirety of his breakthrough season of 04/05 and made 33 league appearances (24 starts) in a side just off the back of winning the previous seasons league without losing a game, finished 2nd in that current campaign and won the FA Cup. Just let that sink in. Absolutely frightening 😲. ● Youngest Arsenal goalscorer: (16 years 212 days v Wolves Dec 2003) Youngest Arsenal goalscorer in League: (17 years 113 days v Blackburn Aug 2004) Youngest Arsenal goalscorer in Europe: (17 years 217 days v Rosenborg Dec 2004) ● Only he and Evan Ferguson have 10+ goals/assists to there names as 18 year olds in the Premier League era who weren't from England. Had to get that one in as an Irishman 😄. ● Statistics show that in the five years prior to Fàbregas's departure from Arsenal, Fàbregas created 466 goal-scoring chances, made 86 assists and scored 48 goals, all three statistics topping those of new teammates Xavi and Andrés Iniesta, despite both having made more appearances in the same period. ● 09/10 League Season: Apps: 27 Goals: 15 Assists: 15 Who knows what numbers he would have finished with that season if he'd avoided a few niggling injuries during the first half of that campaign and not fractured his leg to Barca in March and been ruled out for the remainder of the season. I've no doubt that he would have comfortably broken the record of 20 assists in a PL season and in all likelihood would have 20+ League goals to his name alongside it. All from CM at 22 years of age in his second season as club captain as well it's worth noting. ● All time leader in history of assists for Spanish national team. ● Most assists as a CM in the 21st century ahead of the likes of Lampard, Gerrard, Iniesta & Xavi. ● Only player in PL era to record 10+ assists in 6 separate seasons. ● 2nd All Time Leader in assists in PL history to Ryan Giggs who spent 9 and a half more seasons than him in the PL . ● Made captain of Arsenal at the tender age of 21 as well. He was absolute magic.
The school of RDZ
Good to see that somebody still thinks about the strikers as "number 10s" because nowadays seems like that type of players are slowly disappearing. I also think that modern wingers need to be more "balanced" (instead of just being "go inside and shoot with your strong foot"): being able to support the team in both offense and defense makes huge difference, and playing wider on offense can create big spaces for modern FBs to go inside the box (seeing it quite often in AC Milan with Leao often playing wide and Theo Hernandez pushing inside, between defenders CB and FB, if he's not being followed by a midfielder)
Cesc Fabregas will become a Chelsea manager at some point and will take them back to the top.
Roberto de Zerbi is an inspiration to the new managers… it’s good to see
Future Arsenal Manager
Basically a DeZerbi system
this is basically de zerbi tactics tbh
Next Coach Of Fc Barcelona
so bro's explaining brighton from last season
Legend of Three team 😂😂
De Zerbi tactics
All the Spanish managers are technical
These videos could use a visual representation to help me see it better and also see what it would look like if it didn't work.
Does anyone know where can I buy that tactical board? Thanks
De zerbi influence
I find it quite funny how such a gifted midfielder has sacked off the 9 and instead has two 10s. It also contrasts with Pep's evolution in England of getting in a big, strong no. 9. I think two 10s might struggle to penetrate a low block and not get enough touches in dangerous areas in the box. Also, having your most advanced players on the wings increases their distance to goal, which might allow opposing CBs to recover ground. Your wingers would need to be very quick.
I play like this in FIFA, and find that I have to lure the defense into fouling me around the edge of the box, and having good free kick takers and set pieces as my only way to beat good low blocks. Maybe we’ll see some unique tactics from set pieces
@@pvt_gosling7383comparing fifa to football is like conparing chess to war tactics
That's why you need a hybrid 9/10. The striker is basically a 9 and a half. We had Firmino at Liverpool who linked the play but when we played against deep compact defences he was in the box.
Very di zerbi… that’s not a bad thing
You know ball 🙌🏾
that 2008-2012 Spanish national team players are going to turn the game upside down as managers. Xavi, Xabi Alonso, now Cesc, and certainly Busquets in the future. Yes, there will be football after the Messi-Ronaldo era
similar to De Zerbi style of play
Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Fàbregas, Özil, Pirlo, Xabi Alonso. I miss them.
COULD YOU PLEASE ADD A ⚽️ BUTTON TO THE BOARD 😅
He is taking from De Zerbi... these tactics are written De Zerbi all over them 💯
Sounds like de zerbi
THE NEXT PEP GUARDIOLA
😂
Come to Benfica
Come to Chelsea🙏
Whi h team does he coach
Basically Brighton
Look at de Zerbi build up
Get him for Chelsea seriously
Very similar to De Zerbi's system
Same way as Desiree
that is brighton strategy haha
Cesc come to Chelsea!💙
Chelsea!
I can see him replacing arteta at arsenal when arteta eventually leaves to city
What is the difference with Di Zerbi ball?
Maybe the fact that Cesc doesnt use actual strikers but more complete players, number 10s. Also it might be that he came out with this system without knowing about De Zerbi
Borussia Dortmund is calling
De zerbi tactics
Similar build up with de zerbi
nxt chelsea coach in a few yrs
De zerbi inspired
plis come to chelsea matee..sack poch now
don't forget that cesc has play like a striker in fc barcelone
Similar with De Zerbi
Chelsea version of arteta one day
How good was Cesc?? tbh Ive seen him more on the bench lol
My Favourite Player of All Time: ● Fabregas was 17 years old during virtually the entirety of his breakthrough season of 04/05 and made 33 league appearances (24 starts) in a side just off the back of winning the previous seasons league without losing a game, finished 2nd in that current campaign and won the FA Cup. Just let that sink in. Absolutely frightening 😲. ● Youngest Arsenal goalscorer: (16 years 212 days v Wolves Dec 2003) Youngest Arsenal goalscorer in League: (17 years 113 days v Blackburn Aug 2004) Youngest Arsenal goalscorer in Europe: (17 years 217 days v Rosenborg Dec 2004) ● Only he and Evan Ferguson have 10+ goals/assists to there names as 18 year olds in the Premier League era who weren't from England. Had to get that one in as an Irishman 😄. ● Statistics show that in the five years prior to Fàbregas's departure from Arsenal, Fàbregas created 466 goal-scoring chances, made 86 assists and scored 48 goals, all three statistics topping those of new teammates Xavi and Andrés Iniesta, despite both having made more appearances in the same period. ● 09/10 League Season: Apps: 27 Goals: 15 Assists: 15 Who knows what numbers he would have finished with that season if he'd avoided a few niggling injuries during the first half of that campaign and not fractured his leg to Barca in March and been ruled out for the remainder of the season. I've no doubt that he would have comfortably broken the record of 20 assists in a PL season and in all likelihood would have 20+ League goals to his name alongside it. All from CM at 22 years of age in his second season as club captain as well it's worth noting. ● All time leader in history of assists for Spanish national team. ● Most assists as a CM in the 21st century ahead of the likes of Lampard, Gerrard, Iniesta & Xavi. ● Only player in PL era to record 10+ assists in 6 separate seasons. ● 2nd All Time Leader in assists in PL history to Ryan Giggs who spent 9 and a half more seasons than him in the PL . ● Made captain of Arsenal at the tender age of 21 as well. He was absolute magic.
Thought he hated positional play?
The most successful manager is Carlo and he just sends his players on the field and express themselves. No need for all those tactics. This kills the creativity of players.
The most successful coach is Pep. 11 league titles in the last 15 years and 3 CL. Carlo won more CL but he has less league wins.