Trasimene - history's greatest ambush
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Yes - I am aware that many people will argue that the G in 'Gnaeus' is silent. I respect them highly.
I read the title to this video without my glasses on and thought it was the greatest airbrush.
I don't gno...
Lindybeige I like saying the K in know. Also over pronouncing the H in vehicle.
Keep it up!
That's not how it usually said in English, but I dare say that someone will give it a go, to look extra clever.
Started a new job... mentioned swords... one of the other lads says: ' you watch lindybeige?'... You are becoming a national treasure my friend!
Reece Foreman wish I could have that happen. Everyone just looks at me like I’m insane.
@@CraftQueenJr get new friends, sorted.
@@CraftQueenJr Insane for watching Lindybeige or for liking swords? Both are fine if you would ask me.
When I watch LindyBeige, I have to take a high dose of a stimulant first.
International treasure
I lived near the site of this battle, on the shores of Lake Tasimene. The farmers in the area are STILL digging up artefacts every year from this one battle, and so are the fishers. It is crazy. It influenced the naming of the towns of Ossetto (Town of Bones) and Sanguinetto (Town of Blood) which are on opposite sides of the valley from one another across the battle fields.
#MagicItems
are they putting it in a museum in that city ?
@@hannibalbarca8411 Some are, when they are worth putting in a Museum. Often though the items won't be simply because there are either too many of them being brought in and they aren't good examples of said item.
"good man" thank you 4 sharing,x
@@harrisonrobb5252 Can you give me examples? Which items have been found?
38 minute one shot video. Who else but Lloyd.
47 perfectly executed edits. He's so good you didn't even notice.
37:59 mate not 38
Philip DeFranco can't do 5 seconds....
Me
Martin Sellner does.
remember kids one goat sacrifice a day keeps Hannibal away
They were Romans. They'd rather fuck the goat.
@@Yukatoshi Thats the arabs and welsh get your racism right
@@charlottewalnut3118 lol im arab and thats funny. My goat wife and I had a good laugh.
@@charlottewalnut3118 Defaid rydyn ni'n eu priodi, nid geifr.
Grendel Grendelson the fuck you say
Silius Italicus? Wasn't he a friend of Bigus Dickus?
lomax343 Thtop being thilly, Thilius! Thith ith a theriouth thituation!
LOL - just about to say the same. Perhaps Sillius Soddus. Thwo him to the gwound!
not only friend to biggus dickus but also cousin of Naughtius Maximus
Nope. Father of Incontinentia Buttox. Do your research!
from the arnus marshes?
I picked up a copy of Theodore A Dodge's Hannibal mentioned around 31:19. I couldn't put it down. It's beautifully and eloquently written in 19th century American English. Dodge is like Lindybeige in that he scrutinizes the ancient sources, and sometimes disagrees. Dodge tries to reason out how the ancient historians described an event, and put it to the test by visiting the battlefields himself and surveying the landscape with his military eye. This book is a great recommendation for anyone interested in the period.
You’re the only youtuber I can watch for 30 minutes straight with no other visual stimulation. You sir are encapsulating.
Four days through a Marsh, the mosquito bites alone must be horrendous.
wood1155 But what of the Wisps?
The Mosquitos were already full, where do you think those dead horses came from? ;)
Yeah, one of them got into my bedroom last night.
Fuck mosquitoes, lil buggers
wood1155 Nonsense. Malaria had always been endemic in Italy (google Roman Fever). The swamps around Rome and Ravenna were notorious in that respect. Aleric and Theoderic both probably died from Malaria and later on the German Kaiser preferred to make their Italian visits in winter time for that reason. Of course in those days the link to the mosquito hadn't been established - people thought of the "bad air" (hence "mal aria") to be the cause. Unless I didn't detect the irony. Then it's not nonsense.
Can you imagine what a man and leader he must have been to not only give orders to move trough these marshes for days but keeping the army together as well? Quite amazing.
Ancient warfare? Lindybeige? 30 min video? Count me in!
The Gauls in the back also got the brunt of 4 days of those in the front relieving themselves...Can you imagine?
Yes, they drowned in shit
Trying hard to un-imagine!!!
Plague diarrhea and elephant dung just everywhere.
Lloyd, young people don't grind their own millet while listening to podcasts anymore, we have an app for that now.
enoughofyourkoicarp bet
Grinding millet is so 2010's we grind quinoa and cashew nut now.
@@chrisdechristophe quinoa and cashew? Thats so 2020, us gentlemen harvest seaweed by hand
No
@@hiimryan2388 this is so 2020, gentlemen harvest soy now
Not questioning the strategic prowess of roman commanders, but marching an army through a tight strip of land between a lake and wooded hills, without scouting the woods seems a bit.. careless.
These were politicians not carieer generals. Explains a lot of you think about it for a second.
Yep. The leaders of republican roman armies were civilians treating an army command as a stepping stone in their political careers. This fucked them over time and time again and was one of the reasons the office of dictator (a professional of known skill taking over from the politicians for a time) was so important, so powerful and so instrumental in eventually causing the end of the republic.
Well, when Lloyd said Hannibal set up his camp it included not just hundreds of cooking fires, but tents and pack animals and camp followers and such. Why bother scouting when you can see the camp with all the hubbub taking place? That and a lot of Roman Consuls weren't professional officers, they just had enough military service to pad the resume.
That's why someone needed to write Starship Troopers back then
i wonder what would happen if modern elected politicians were made to directly manage and command armies...
"Look, a dead horse." "Use it for a bed and then eat it?" "Can't do it in the other order."
The last thing you would want in your military service is to be told to march through a swamp for 96 hours, but as it turns out that might be what you get.
This post could be describing Vietnam.
Think they did it for free ?
"Rome LOVES a winner! And will not TOLERATE a loser!" General Georgius Pattonus
And when he returned to Rome he died a very mysterious death
@@sexualharassmentpanda7273 Was that during that whole Kitos Revolt or sack of Jeruselum? Things are starting to come together...
You make history sound like Lord of the Rings, always a pleasure to listen to.
Ancient history is almost mythical in a lot of ways Much more interesting than medieval history for some reason with some exceptions
I wonder if Longus was compensating for something...
Jan Helge Lillevik yeah, his tiny ears
Yeah he was short
Longus Erectus?
“The only ambush in which an entire army was ambushed by an entire army...” Meanwhile, in Medieval II...
Battle of Teutoburg Forest immediately came to mind. 3 Roman Legions wiped out.
@@MrVvulf that wasnt the entire army at once though.
@@jannickfranck3864 what is an "entire army"?
@@TheKrouton look it up
@@jannickfranck3864 I'm asking a more complicated question than you seem to understand.
Gave me a great idea for a RPG adventure! The players start as soldiers and perhaps a low level commander and survive that battle but must either link up with the rest of the army or return to Rome. I can't wait to play it!
About 2 years ago I took up a sponsor offer from you with Audible, and I have to say after several hundred audio books later I must thank you for choosing a great sponsor
Audible is especially great for that type of large history book as when you are buying with your subscription credits all books are just one credit, so some books end up cheaper in audio book form then a physical copy would be.
Several HUNDRED audio-books in two years?
Forest Shepherd it’s a high number but not unreasonable
@@mitchwebb7745 if you listen 8 hours a day every day never repeating a book... Yeah its realistic. Thats if each book is about 8-10 hrs each though. And thats also gonna run at least 5000 dollars over 2 years considering each book is roughly 10 dollars sometimes about 7 but often 15.
@@FinkPloyd504 He sounds like me, whatever I do, I'm alway listening to something.
After this crushing defeat the Roman army adopted fire arrows and were never ambushed in the mist again.
Hahaha not quite, watch lyndies videos on fire arrows
The next year... the disaster that made this a blemish.
What about the burning trees?
It was a joke, guys. I’m guessing a reference to Gladiator as well.
"Can't hide in the forest if there are no forests!" - Some legionary probably
23:16 for a second there i thought you were going to say Biggus Dicus...
I did consider saying "He had a wife, you know..."
Lindybeige she is called incontinentia buttocks
I thought her name was pronounced, Incontinetia Bucket
no
It's pronounced Bouquet.
Wait, Longus is an actual Roman name? _giggle_ Behold SEXTUS LONGUS, CONQUEROR OF THE NYMPHS OF APOLLO
Argedon Anybody else feel a little giggle when I mention my fwiend, Biggus Dickus?
Romans generally used 3 names.... and thought long phalli embarrassing
Ha, Monty Python.
WolverIan In the German dub, yes, biggus dickus is called "schwanzus longus"
Longus Magnus Pinus? Too much?
The mist is reasonably dependable. So common is it, that it is known locally as il Mare Umbro (the Umbrian sea). I have pent many mornings sitting on a hilltop near Perugia watching the mist role in, filling the valleys below. Unfortunately for your theory, the observer, on hill tops above, has his view of movement in the valleys below, just as effectively obscured; as the observer, in the valleys below, has his view of the hilltops and sides obscurd. The only way, I could know anything, of the hunters in the valleys, was by sound. Maybe the trumpet story is not so incredible. Local knowledge is so important, possibly supplied by the Gauls. The Etruscans and the Umbrians had only been conquered, a mere 78 years before. Many may have been less than fully loyal to Rome.
I live in Santa Barbara. Thick fogs rolling off the ocean and over the hills and mountains are almost a guarantee for months at a time.
What a beautifully crafted paragraph. I'd keep reading if there were more
@@Nik-xi2ri Thank you. It is the first time I have ever had my writing praised. I remember re-writing it several, to get a good balance between accuracy and brevity. Alas, I'm too busy to lavish much care on technical reports and policy documents.
THIS is the content I want Lindy. More of THIS. historical analysis of ancient (or modern) battles told within a narrative to examine the conflict as accurately as possible. You have a knack for this type of material. Excellent work.
13:24 He was "Burninating the countryside, Burninating the peasants, Burninating all the peoples, And their thatched-roof COTTAGES! THATCHED-ROOF COTTAGES!"
YES LLOYD BACK AT IT AGAIN WITH HANNIBAL!!!
Hannibal is so cool!
Pfsif omg he's a fascinating character!
Lloyd holds a grudge against the Romans. You know for giving them roads and ending human sacrifice and all that.
Pepper Spray don't think he's denying the innovations they brought to the ancient world, he's just saying they were a violent nation and actually funny you should say "ending human sacrifices" because during this war, there is only one human sacrifice mentioned and that is on the side of the romans, they bury a vestal virgin alive.
You can respect a culture, and still dislike some aspects of the culture. You don't have to like all of it to respect it, and you don't have to deny all of it if you dislike it. Lloyd just likes an underdog.
I love your conjecture! “History doesn’t say that he did this but he must have done something.” You’re becoming my new best friend. Thanks Loyd!
I really enjoyed this video - having been enthused at school (aged 12) by the accounts of this battle, 30 years later (in 2002) I went to the battle site on the north shore of Lago Trasimeno whilst on holiday in the area (the lake is beautiful, with a lovely island called Isola Maggiore reachable by boat trip). However, it was very underwhelming - just a plaque next to a country road off the main highway! I went to the Battle of Marathon site a year later and this was also a little underwhelming (and near a lovely beach) but at least there WAS a small museum there with some artifacts. It would be lovely to see a similar small museum at Trasimeno - maybe there is one now?
Mate, so impressive when you do long videos like this with no notes off the top of your head...👍🎉🎊😎
Lloyd this is the third time I have watched this video. Just as enjoyable the third time. You're a true raconteur. Thank you for all your videos.
I love your battle videos man keep them coming if you can
You have been making these Historic tales extremely interesting, I really enjoy your way of telling them and look forward to seeing more of your videos and learning more.
If we had more instructors of this caliber in our colleges, we would have a lot more history majors. One of the most informative, well organized and articulate presenters in the entirety of KZhead.
Thanks a lot for producing such great content. I've been watching your videos for years now, and can't get tired of them. We actually miss too much what you're doing on YT: a both scholarly and entertaining approach of several daily and or historical issues. Keep up the good work, Cheers from France
You are a truly captivating storyteller! Your passion for history is contagious! Thanks a mil!
Yet another quality video from Lloyd! Great work!
Great video as always! I just want to say, as a Canadian, I wouldn't call "big" a lake from which you can see the opposite shore from one side.
It still amazes me that you manage to manage to get all of this in one, or very few, takes.
Hannibal's ability to think outside the box marks him as one of the greatest generals of all time.
I love your story time lindy. Fascinating
Thank you for teaching us, Mr. Lloyd.
36:07 that depends highly on the slave and where they ended up. Lindy being an educated scholar would surely be treated well as a slave. Probably even freed after a time what with his witty comments.
Thank you for noticing my eyebrows.
There was no way he could *not* have noticed them, they practically ambushed him! ;)
What an awesome channel you have!!! I love detailed stories from history!
Finally some full length historical content. Good job, Brit.
Love that a history show is growing towards 1 mil subs
Really interesting video Lindy! I am not very learned on ancient history, as it wasn't my preferred area of study, but I'd be really interested in a video about Roman recruitment and where they were actually getting all these legions from; as I just can't wrap my head around the numbers they seemed to be able to pull on in these early days of Rome as we know it.
I love your historical videos, very detailed
Great video, Lloyd! Enjoyed this as much as I do those HistoryMarche or BazBattles and so on style videos. Fantastic!
Hannibal wasn't that much of an underdog. Carthage probably had a larger economy at the time and at this time the technological differences between Rome and Gaul weren't even that far separated. They say Gallic tribes invented chain mail armor and were quite adept with iron works and combat. So much so that even a while later Julius Caesar kept Gaulish allies as part of his most trusted troops. Pretty much the main disadvantages of the Gauls was the fact that they were smaller kingdoms which couldn't contend with the huge armies that Rome put out- this was nullified by the fact that Hannibal had a huge army of his own with a very large amount of Gauls.
Everyone imagines Hannibal fighting imperial Romans, when in reality the Romans had yet to expand out of Italy while Carthage had territories in 3 continents. It was cosmopolitan mercenary armies vs what was essentially farmer levies and they still portray the Romans as some great oppressor.
As a military power Carthage was definitely an underdog during the 2nd Punic War. Polybius mentioned that during the whole war Rome mobilized a grand total of over 600,000 men, while Carthage only managed half of that. And Rome's troops were citizens and loyal allies, while that of Carthage were of more dubious loyalty. Rome also had command of the sea at the beginning of the war, although manpower shortages would curtail that advantage later. Hannibal personally was fighting under a tremendous military disadvantage. He wasnt really leading Carthage as much as he was leading a large province and faction within the Carthaginian empire. He arrived in Italy with but 26,000 men, was reinforced only once, lived completely off the land and most of his armies were composed of local troops. Despite this he was never defeated in Italy. What an achievement!
Hannibal was the reason he was victorious, not his army. The other Carthaginian generals in Italy were beaten before the Romans diverted Hannibal out of Italy by attacking Hispana and North Africa
Well, yes and no. Carthage probably had larger economic resources at its disposal. What gave Rome more raw military strength was, rather, the utterly hell-bent Roman attitude to war. Rome never surrendered, Rome would fight on until victory, at any cost, whatever it takes. Even if it means that the Roman middle class that was obliged to serve in the legions is all but wiped out. Trebia, Trasimene, Cannae. If Rome had been a normal ancient-world state, any one of those would have been enough to get Rome to sue for peace and make some concession to Carthage.
A gross exaduration. Even in the imperial era rome couldn't mobilise that many people, they were probably 80k
Nearly two years later, and still waiting for the novel.
He should have done his research
Two years? That would make it about three years today. It's actually been 5 years and 8 months since the original announcement video.
Just discovered your videos, love them . Well done 👍
great video mate, as always, keep them coming! good role playing reference made me laugh too much, +2 to tracking.
“The gods are a bit rubbish” -An accurate and sufficient summary of all human history.
@GloryN the3rd Ooof. Check out the insecurities on this guy.
@GloryN the3rd Wow. I have to ask you about one thing in the bible. You know the book of Joshua, right? And when they won and went on killing, what is the right and moral way to kill children? If you would be member of that army, how would YOU kill a six years old girl after you killed her parents? It was Gods command, so you have to obey, you cannot say you would not kill her.
@GloryN the3rd lol people have been saying there god/gods are the only true gods for all of human history suggesting that your magic man is any more real than any other magic man is ridiculous I ask you if your magic man is real than why are there so many disagreements on how to worship him after all Muslims, Jews, Mormons, Catholics and Christians all believe in the same guy and yet the manner in which they worship varies wildly
The Roman and Gaulish ones have obviously failed, and no longer have followers. So far, the Abrahamic God has not been abandoned, and is still followed, same for the Hindu, Buhhdist and Jain gods and the Sikh god, as well as Atheism. Time will tell which of these survive. Obviously, these conflicting religions can't all be true, so we'll see which religion survives, though if Atheism is correct it wouldn't necessarily mean it wins out.
There's something I've always wondered when I hear or read about brilliant, intrepid strategic moves like Hannibal going through the Arno marches. Whenever such maneuvers are recounted, they always seem to have worked despite the enormous risks. I wonder how many commanders throughout history have attempted daring forced marches and indirect approaches,, only to be discovered by scouts and outriders right in the middle of crossing a river, a swamp or dense woodland and then outmaneuvered and trapped in turn.
An example springs to mind from 1066, Harold Godwinson marched up to Yorkshire to fight the Grand Army of the Vikings (and won, against the odds!) Had the next battle gone better (and it could have, if the invading William of Normandy hadn't used subterfuge) he might have been remembered in much the same vein as Hannibal Barca or Julius Caesar or Alexander of Macedonia. Sadly he didn't have quite the necessary discipline and control over his troops (particularly the Housecarls), which might imply he wasn't as strong a ruler as his exploits up to that point might have suggested.
Been playing old total war games and watching you all day Lloyd, love your content!
I like how you present all of the things you do. You really make History Fun.:)
Lindy, please do a video where you give your top 5 ever military commanders
Gareth Barry his list would go as follows 1-Hannibal 2-Hannibal 3-Hannibal 4-Hannibal And 5, surprisingly it's Hannibal
I think we can be more nuanced than that. 1. Hannibal at his best. 2. Hannibal on a good day. 3. Hannibal. 4. Hannibal when he's a bit under the weather. 5. Hannibal when he's rolling nothing but ones.
Sir Sidney Smith isn't even on the list?
He would never do such a video. Because as an Englishman he could never admit that Napoleon was a good commander.
Remember- just because you are born in a stable it doesn't mean you're a horse.
When are you going to complete the series and rant on about Cannae?! C'maaaaaan Lindy!!!
Daaamn Lindybeige.. that was about time. I have seee seen all your videos TWISE.. Your videos are vital food for my brain.
Enjoying the way new perspectives and the captivating narration. Thanks
You should make a video about Cannae. I would say that’s probably his most impressive victory
"... was a Gaius called Flaminius ...", I think you meant to say.
Great stuff, Lloyd. Thank you.
I missed great stories like this. Thanks Lindy
Longus? Was he by chance related to Biggus?
Jokes on you, my eyebrows could strangle a war Elephant! :D I am so exited for that novel, shame you spoiled the ending for me...Awesome video though!
Well, to be honest the story has been out for a while, I guess we're past the time where we have to worry about spoilers...
Yeah, that is true. Still, the suspense was killing me and now...it is gone, leaving nothing but longing emptiness in my soul. Have a nice day though! =)
Very funny -- got a spectacular laugh out that spoiler problem! Like the people who didn't want to see the Titanic movie because they already knew how it turned out. But it's not the destination, it's the journey, my friend! :-)
Hannibal dies at Libyssa. The butler did it.
Yeah right, next you're going to tell me that Snape killed Dumbledore, or some other ridiculous lie!
This guy is genuinely fantastic to listen to, great video!!
Lindybeige love these historical videos you get more information out of one of these, then watching the history channel for a month !
"Guerrilla's in The Mist" Eh! Would make an amusing subtitle ☺
is graphic novel just a fancy word for comic book?
it is alot bigger
It's more of a word for fancy comic book than a fancy word for comic book, really.
Kinda. It became a thing when authors started doing self-contained and adult-oriented comics, and publishers decided that the new name would attract the older audiences, leaving the word "comic" out, because a lot of people thought of them as a thing for children. And many still do.
Yes and no. A graphic novel is longer than a comic, is aimed at adults, and has at least pretensions of dealing with lofty ideas. In summary: yes.
Yes
Thanks very much for this! Never heard of this battle and now I feel much more informed.
LOVE YOUR CONTENT LINDYBEIGE!!!
Of course the Gauls didn't mind doing all the work, Hannibal was being polite and letting them have all the fun
Normally I'm with you lindy but my god the Romans were teletubbies compared to what Punic leaders did. This sounds like the British bias creeping in but for Punic culture haha But I doubt you read these but thank you for giving me the love of history (that school never did) years ago to be able to even make my own opinion on a matter as obscure as ancient punishment. Thanks from Canada
An entertaining video. I look forward to you doing another one about Cannae.
I love these videos you make.
"I don't know if I mentioned this before", you know fine well you've mentioned this before, many many MANY times
“Seems to be going quite well but it’s very misty I can’t tell.” Lindybars
@Lindybeige watching this video to Handel's Sarabande is really epic, brilliant videos, cheers to you and the Baroque from the states.
I like this type of content. Your reading of important battles is very good.,
I'd consider listening to an audio book if Lloyd is reading it!
Loyd is back with a 30+ Video about a historic topic.... you saved my Weekend good Sir!!!
I love ur videos bro I could listen to your stories everyday
I love these kinds of videos, like the Sir Sydney Smith one as well. More, please!
The Battle of the Teutoburg Forest was quite similar in execution and maybe even in size.
Rome never forgets, never forgives. You know what happend later? And so he spoke, and so he spoke, that proud lord of Carthage, But now the rains weep o'er his hall, with no one there to hear. Yes now the rains weep o'er his hall, and not a soul to hear.
Kacper Włoch from?
@@CraftQueenJr The Rains of Castamere from Game of Thrones
You speak so incredibly well. Where are the hundred cuts and edits?! Lovely work.
That march through the marshes reminds me of a wet Glastonbury festival. Dry ground becomes pretty precious. No sleep for four days and lots of trudging about.
oh thank you its very nice of you to notice my eyebrows very nice indeed, I also think your eyebrows are nice. not only nice but nicer than most I dare say
Actually I dare write but you know figurative expressions
Well let‘s see: The other Consul The bad guy The awesome general The epic horseman Were the next two the same guy? The funny poet
Enjoy how you bring history to light With so much life and enjoyment . Thank you
fantastic vid as always
Question for you Lindybeige: with all the spectacular victories going on, why didn't Carthage invade the Italian peninsula with more armies. Why didn't Carthage launch a seaborne invasion?
im only just looking into Hannibal and the second punic war but from what i can tell there is two possible reasons (that i can come up with with my limited amount of knowledge on the matter) 1.Carthage tried to because if i remember rightly however, they were caught out when raiding the outer islands trying to make a sort of forward operating base and then were beat back by the roman navy. 2. Hannibal ordered or requested that they held off to allocate the Carthaginian navy to hold off roman ships so he could not be outflanked at certain points in his campaign. I could be wrong but those are my two sort of theories/understandings of this questions and the history.
Cathage had massive problems in Iberia (for example battle of Ebro River) and couldn't help Hannibal in Italia. Carthaginian fleet tried to retake Syracuse by the time Hannibal crossed the Alps if I remember correctly but was beaten by Roman and Syracusian navies in the process of raiding some small islands.
Is there a breakdown of Hannibal's Army with Allies. Percentage of Carthagians, Gauls, Spanish?? etc. Thanks for any insight.
Well that would change depending on where he was and what time so kind of difficult to make a general estimation especially since almost half the army died in the alps. But at the Battle of Bannae apparently he had: ''8,000 Libyans, there were 8,000 Iberians, 16,000 Gauls, 5,500 Gaetulian(berber tribe)'' That was his infantry. His cavalry was also diverse with: ''4,000 Numidian, 2,000 Iberian, 4,000 Gallic and 450 Libyan-Phoenician cavalry''. Lastly he had 8000 skirmishers in the form of Balaeric slingers and ''mixed-nationality'' spearmen.
Perfect answer. Now I will look up all those nations/ tribes. Thank you very much.
@@hazzmati 55,950 men.
It is incredible that you do this in one take.
Nice work!!!