#shorts Here's a short clip showing how we remove the old sleeves from a Farmall Model H; Long story short this block is still in our shop waiting for custom sleeves. May do a long form video on that process if people are interested!
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I know from experience that “discussing options” is extremely expensive. 😖
Rip my man🤦♂️ cheap assholes who say they can do the work (like with the last sleeve) usually result with this mess
I wouldn't say it means extremely expensive, just means more money than originally quoted. Instead of having to just clean up and replace current sleeve, best option would be replace it, or to bore over even further to clean up and put in even thicker sleeve which can be riskier due to cooling and other issues. More custom the parts (sleeves) the more expensive. Same with labor.
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Sounds a lot to me like custom sleeves and a full rebore
I mean sure, but for an H? The discussion is prolly just "so we found some damage and to fix it the quote is gonna go up, or you can send in another block"
Remind me to never lend you my pocket knife.
Thats why you need two knives. A beater and a pocket queen.
This guy knows 👏
Dang, that was neat. You sure you didn't score the sides with your knife? LOL
My exact thoughts
Same here 🤔🤔🤔
A knife shouldn't be able to do that kind of damage the cast iron block
Damage was a lot worse than pocket knife
@sierra 117 yep always the mysterious last guy who will never be known lol
An old diesel mechanic showed me that you stop up the bottom and put dry ice in the cylinder, the cold makes the sleeve shrink and it slides right out. Same for putting a new one in, pack it in dry ice, slide the sleeve in place and when it warms up its tight as can be.
That's genius
Hey man, people pay damn good money for those kinds of secrets!
Thanks bro!
@@noaht5191 there's another secret for removing and replacing the ring gear on a flywheel (for flywheels which have replaceable ring gears)
That’s how we install our bearing races
You should discuss options with us too!
It looks like the person who removed the old sleeves used a pocket knife and a hammer lol
😂😂😂😂😂 my thoughts exactly
I knife won’t damage cast iron like that
You don't know more than the guy in this video. He's better at machining that metallurgy than you. Simple as
@@DaDaDo661 you do realize that pocket knives of today aren’t like grandpas old timer that’s as soft as a loaf of bread. A lot of knife companies are making knives now days with some pretty hard steel. Very much capable of scratching or gouging a cylinder wall. Also wouldn’t consider a person, who thinks that a pocketknife and hammer is the right tool for the job, is a very good machinist. That would be the equivalent of wiring a house up with old extension cords and claiming to be a master electrician.
@@ethanmcleod8819 Not wrong, but look at the marks, look at the knife and then look where the knife was when he pulls out the remainder of the sleeve. Those marks are too wide to be from the knife. The plastic grip is going to be touching the cylinder wall more than anything. But, to gouge cast iron like that - especially with a casting this old - you wouldn't even need hardened steel. A piece of 1018 could do that to this block!
Well if the knife is softer than the metal then nothing should be a problem. Seems to me the past couple videos I've seen of this guy he knows what he's doing. I've actually learned a couple new tricks from him.
Rip pocket knife
Stole my exact comment before I could type it. Good day sir
Frame locks usually strong. I have two with each handle side using steel. I can hammer it just fine.
Curious what the customer said about it. If it was mine and throwing it back together with new parts was an option I would go for that. I’ve completely rebuilt a farmall h engine that had 4 spun rod bearings and have worked on many others. It’s a tractor engine that’s spins at roughly 1800rpm max. If he wasn’t doing any work with it or just giving hay rides maybe I would just make it run
Yeah the low rpm makes the required specs lower which is nice. Should slap a turbo on it and send it haha
Yeah it'll go better than it did before. It does look bad but it happens I've even done big ol 6cyl farmall that way. Farmer insisted. Took a welder put a light bead down the cylinder to draw the sleeve then chipped 3 away. Made a puller finally for the others. Put new ones in with dish soap. Been used for about 10 years now. But I wouldn't do it again unless I had to.
@@sparkymikey25it has all the power it has traction for.
Slapper back together, it was like that for years and wasn't a problem. It'll be like that for another 20 years.
That isn't how that works at all but ok dog 👍
Well, there are “slapper back together” shops and there are “do your job right” shops. If the customer wanted it slapped back together, he can take it to a different shop. That’s not how I do business.
@@JAMSIONLINE exactly. Many people act like preventive maintenance is optional just because it isn't immediately needed. If you have the engine apart already why not spend a bit more to get it done right and not have any issues for much longer?
@@JettXxB budgets can run out when you find things you're not expecting. It all depends on how much extra we're talking about, versus cutting your losses when you find the surprise and just getting a different engine. Sometimes there's a gap between what the customer is willing to pay, and what the business is willing to do. When you have to "discuss options" with the customer, there's always the chance it could end up becoming someone else's problem or it just gets scrapped. I've had trucks towed in and out of my shop for similar reasons before.
@@j.adamwegs2882 options always cost more money.
I am a machinist but work on such boring stuff. I wish I could work on motors and stuff like you do. Great videos keep on keeping on 👍
You do tear down?
@JJD doubt your gonna find a machinist to be your teardown bitch
Man yall do damn good work
Mite wanna change that pocket knife to a rubber one just to keep the people with no clue in the comment section happy 👌
Well considering cast iron has a mohs hardness of 4 and a cheap knife has a hardness of 5 then yes that knife can very easily scratch the side of the cylinder. Is it gonna have a big issue, no. but could it have been prevented, yeah
Lol what🤣🤣 once the sleeve is gone it's so easy to damage the cylinder walls... Hammering a knife into them certainly will!
I think you're the one with no clue
@@blewyd look how easy his knife went through what was left of the sleeve! ,if you think that pocket knife made them marks then you have no clue bud! Them marks were made by an air tool/chisel. I have seen them before because I was guilty of leaving marks like that back in the day before I had a puller! Having machines nowadays makes it alot easier than even using a puller.
Well big G. They no pleasing some , what we didn’t see is the knife marking the bore , I would think he’s profiled the tip of the knife a certain way so it’s not destructively . As for others moaning at your joke , he’s not pounding the knife directly into the bore
Seriously guys, there is no way that little pocket knife made those deep gouges in the cylinder wall. Stop.
He said the previous person who removed the sleeves did that.
For real, the guy who did it before him probably used a chisel or something
You ever seen what a "little pocket knife" will do to a hand? And you want me to believe ot couldn't do that to metal? 😅
@@benscott19841 a hand and a cylinder wall are two completely different things. The knife would've just scratched the wall, not indented it like that.
@@benscott19841 dude have you ever worked with anything metal in your life? Lmfao
Finally someone that treats there knife the way I treat mine. Like a tool.
That scoring is perfect for starting cracks in the block. Bore it out & fit thicker sleeves. Ideally.
The parent bore is pretty bad out of round. I just love it when folks bring in engines that have the handy man touch. 😩
Definitely the manufacturer recommended use of that pocket knife 😅
Yo, folding knives dont like concussive energy... that being said that's a handy trick for removing a sleeve.
Interesting......but I've never had any problems pulling a dry or wet sleeve with a sleeve puller.
This is done pretty good, as the margin for error is tiny. All who worry about that knife: haven't touched proper metal in your low-duty workplace lives.
Uses a knife as a chisel, "tHeY wErE iN pReTtY bAd ShApE"
Lolol
@Kanpol Mahtlactliomei yeah im not a fan of that bs. I brought my head into a place here to get it reworked and the guy did a shitty job, really bad. When I gave him a shit review he commented back blaming me, how do you blame the customer?!
The one he did on camera you can see it didn't mess up the cylinder
You’re dumb if you think that damage was done by a pocket knife
@@thetreatment not dumb, just possibly naive, I wouldn't know the relative hardness of those metals.
Honestly, I find ALL your videos relaxing and highly informative. Keep doing the Lord's work, brosky and Pa.
I am not a mechanic at all but for some reason I really enjoy your bro. Keep up the great work and congrats on your success! I wish you and your dad all the best in 2021!
Hes a machinist
@@sschevmale24 whatever... mechanic/machinist both things i am not...
@@ryu447 bro a mechanic changes parts does oil changes. They might be both. Machinists bore blocks hone them and build them to specs.
@@sschevmale24 i get that.. i guess a more appropriate response is, I don't give a shit!
@@ryu447 ok cool. Up yours sir !!!!!!
Last guy damaged the cyl....you mean like you?
Ouch
Wasn’t he just hammering a fucking knife in there
@@bryceboatman3462 i don't know what to think about this. The last of the sleeve didn't put up any fight to come out or he wouldn't be using a lock blade knife to remove it. My feeling is that the previous guy hammered out the previous sleeves without thinning them first?
@@sethstephens4924 Yeah, a good machinist removes dry sleeves (for the last 40 years) without even touching the original block material.
Those Mark's on the cylinder bore resemble your knife tho
vm.tiktok.com/ZMJKEPKb3/ Not even close.
My thoughts exactly.
Took the words right out of my mind. Hack shop
@@ryanschaff2507 his knife was not in the same area as what the gouges were found to be so it’s pretty damn clear to me that this guy did not cause any of that cylinder damage plus his knife tip would not have caused the amount of damage that’s in those cylinder walls anyhows. His knife cut the old liner like paper which is the reason for boring it out first so it can be easily cut and removed WITHOUT causing any cylinder wall damage like you see here. The damage you see was caused by using a heavy screwdriver or cold chisel and beating the old liners out with a hammer, it clearly wasn’t done by that little knife!! I’ve been a mechanic for 40 years and have about 10 years experience here and there with machining, trained in the military and worked on things a lot more expensive than this and with a lot tighter tolerances than this tractor engine require and I can see by how the liner he’s removing is moving and reacting with the blade of the knife behind it that the knife itself is not causing any of the damage that you are looking at. So instead of bashing someone you don’t even know over something that you have no idea what your even looking at, take a little time to educate yourself next time instead of just jumping on the bandwagon of other idiots that think it’s fun and cool to bash someone over the Internet when you clearly don’t have a clue of what your talking about. How would you like it if that was your dad or brother that’s worked in that machine shop for 25 years and a bunch of kids started saying crap about the work your dad was doing and the only time they’ve ever seen a car engine in the first place is in their GTA video game! So just leave others alone when you don’t know what the F your talking about youngun! Just leave the real work of the country for us to take care of for ya cause you obviously don’t have a clue!
@@JAMSIONLINE lol... yeah, you tapped the knife a few times, and pulled the sleeve out,mean while those gouges look like they used an air tool, or a lot of force ,and it took them hours...
We just make a press using threaded rod and lathe down a piece of metal the same size as the sleeve and press out using a impact wrench amazing you have the engine bore but not the press guess it works for sure thanks for the video
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Yo bud cool stuff, I used to move over a few thou for the last skizzle and the old bushing would just tear out nicely...nice videos, a walk down memory lane for me thanks
"The last person to remove the sleeves did a lot of ramage" he says after using a pocket knife as a chisel.
Was thinking thatvtoo lmao
Bro those gouges were deep and thick. No way a pocket knife did that
The slow mo was very cool!
Yikes at the end you can really see the grooves from a chisel that was used from the last guy
Instead of machining all sleeves, just make a round flange adapter w/ sides machined so you can insert under the sleeve & safely press or hammer out. you could also use it during installation.
That's what I'm talking about! Amen! Did that very thing on a 318 Perkins. Made a round disc out of 1/2" plate, pushed it out with an air hammer. Took all of about 40 seconds to push each one out. Thank you!
If very tight, place a styrofoam or rubber seal on the bottom of the lkiner & put ice to shrink the liner.
Nothing makes me happier as a knife enthusiast than to see a man USE his blade, YT and FB are chock full of 'knife guys' who's 'hard users ' ain't even got a scratch
U so a great job nice to see pride in work
That's a total bummer on the previous job however to pull out the sleeve with a pocket knife, that had me thinking. Haha. Looks like a complete line bore to me. I wonder if they weren't centered off of the crank. To me it looks like a quick fix that went sideways. Hope you guys get it dialed in. 😉
All that sweet tooling and you hammer on your pocket knife.
@@cablecow15 have worked in and with the trades for years. There is no good reason for taking out your knife and hitting the end of it with a hammer FFS. There is a proper tool for this job.
Damn you guys rock!!
“With my pocket knife”… “the last persons did quite a bit of damage to the cylinders “
You took big chunks out and trailed down with the knife and said you will have to find something to do about the dark spots? Are u for real
This is sick. More videos like this, Algo.
That is so much easier than my method of using a sleeve puller. I currently have a farmall h engine on the stand in shop that needs rebuild and the head rebuilt.
Use copper grease in the oil. It breaks down thin and the copper fills the grooves and nicks in the cylinder walls. Repairing compression.
I’ve removed dry sleeves with zero damage by simply welding a vertical line letting them cool and taking them out by hand way faster and easier
After showing us smacking his knife into the cylinders and then goes and says "well the last person who did this really messed the cylinders up" 😂
Matches your pocketknife just perfect
Certainly dose haha!
Do you hone it with a torque plate so the cylinders are warped right? Last guy might not have. Cylinders look squarish
Yes. some knife hammerers just don’t get it.
I hope the engine number isn't an issue, finding another block could be the cheapest or easiest option
Thank you!
"person who removed the old sleeves damaged" exact marks where you was hammering a knife into it, i think that person is you lol
It looks like you did the damage
I would love to know how it could be resolved.
I could hear the knife bois screaming from here 🤣
I just assumed they had wet liners, like a real engine. Huh, learn something new every day!
At my cousins machine shop we were boring out my 351 C block and when he got were he wanted there was the perfect shape of a half of a nail that didnt melt when they made the block. Factory engine for the car.
Heck of a pocket knife you have
HAD...
I love your videos!
Would those options include welding up the low spots and then attempting to rebore it?
"the last guy did quite a bit of damage" Bruh YOU hammered a knife into those cylinder walls lmao 🤣🤣
It sure is funny how so many of you are clueless. That little knife ain't making that cylinder wall out of round.
Just run beads of weld on the inside of the sleeve. It will shrink the sleeve and then you can pull them out. Grew up with a IH mechanic.
I think I have seen this dude's workshop. It is called "Smack the Knife".
How far can you bore the parent bores and do away with the sleeves?
I like the precision tools
Some locktight in the cylinder, and it's good as new.
Damn they had trouble diggin and made low spots. How thick a sleeve can It go and can it go down in piston size?
What kind of knife is that?
Did you check the runout on that mill? Did you oblong that guys holes?
Make a video after yall decide what to do next please👍
Were are you at and what do you get for a complete rebuild on a farmall h engine
Nice job sir
In the past the sleeves were removed with a cold chisel from the looks of it.
I was going to ask why not use a chisel, but I'm guessing that's probably what the prior builder did.
Yes sir, I’m in Louisiana. I have a international 574 tractor. Freeze plug on front of head leaking. Would the best way to replace is pulling radiator, water pump, timing cover?? Never done any major work on tractor , so what is best and safest way.thank you very much . Steve in Louisiana .
Improper use of a pocket knife. Get the right tool for the right job. It makes life a lot easier!
Watch the video while paying attention and you'll see behind the knife as the sleeve tears no damage not to mention you can see for a second after the sleeve is removed the cylinder wall where his knife was is spotless. You have the video so why wonder just use your eyeballs!
Would this block be fixable? That looks like some narly damage.
Scratches inside the cylinder can cause poor heat induction and cause sleeve cracks. regards
Bore it out for MORE POWWAH
"Not ideal condition" "Discuss options" Give it to me straight I can handle it.
The damage to the cylinders looks like it was caused by a pocketknife!
No entiendo tu idioma, pero es un hermoso trabajo 🇨🇱🐻👍
We went past the block I'm thinking the bore ended up 4.25 they had stroke added,almost doubled the cubes
If it's not bored out for oversized sleeves, hot spots will occur behind of the sleeves. I did this type of work back during the 1970's. I enjoyed that type of work but just couldn't make enough income.
how long it take to bore out a sleeve
You guys that think the pocket knife did that much damage need to get your head checked. You are incorrect. The other marks were made with a hammer and some chisel/punch. Look at the marks, and use your brain. Have you ever seen a pocket knife do that much damage to cast iron and in that type of pattern? No.
So true. A knife would not gouge the cylinder wall. This comment section is really crazy. The number of ignorant trolls here are amazing. Never saw so many key no it alls, who know nothing.
Anyone know what kind of pocket knife that is? I want a knife that can double as a chisel.
Looks kinda like a Kershaw. I've put several of mine through serious abuse with no real damage. But it's hard to tell from watching on a small screen.
I had no idea you had sleeves like this in an engine. I don't really understand what those big tunnels are for either.
A pocket knife. That's new. 🤣
Somewhere some knife manufacturers head exploded
Can dry sleeves not be driven out like wet sleeves, or is this method just that much easier?
I know when I was a mechanic at case/ih yrs ago that this condition wasn't entirely uncommon in det sleeve engines.
The parent bores are gouged deeeeeeply😦
Hey what kind of knife is that ?
That’s a damn good pocket knife unless that’s ur first sleeve removal 😂
Wow. Is there a video worth the final decision on repair?
I want that 0.02 leaf of metal. lmao
Using a flip knife as a chisel... That's new lol
I have that same knife. It's a good knife.
Where are you located?
How far back was that engine worked on, to have that type damage, those old Farmall tractors, have strong engines not like the new or recent engines
Cut it back and double sleeve it. It gives the sleeve a laminated effect strength