LOKI: He Who Remains PLAN: Victor Timely on Sacred Timeline?
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Loki Episode 3 shows Victor Timely stated on the Sacred Timeline. What does this mean for He Who Remains’ PLAN?
Where, exactly, did Victor Timely COME FROM, if he starts on the Sacred Timeline, and all other Kang variants come from the 31st Century? Erik Voss breaks down the biggest question we all had after Loki 2x03, which takes us to Chicago in 1868 and 1893! Did He Who Remains or some other Kang kidnap other Kangs as babies and hide them throughout the Sacred Timeline as a backup plan in case they were ever killed?
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Seems to me that he who remains didn't save his timeline as the sacred timeline but instead saved the one with his variant that had the least potential to be a threat to him
The fact that the timeline didn't branch until after he received the book means that Victor Timely was suppose to be in Chicago as a child. Him receiving the book was not suppose to happened which is why it branches. I don't think he is a plant.
right he's just a variant of Kang that was born during that period of time in a different timeline (Universe)
@@criswinjoshua9837 or ancestor
Or he wouldnt do anything significant enough to alter the timeline until he got the book, maybe he would havr just remained a candle maker his whole life, like a hidden plan that only activates because of the book
I agree planting variants through out the timeline would have created multiple branching timelinesI don’t think he’s a plant. I do think Victor timely is He who remains. He just gave himself a jump start over his other variants by giving himself the TVA handbook.
@@ADDOITALLDAY He who remains is the one who scripted the sacred timeline. if he scripted it to have his variant there it wouldn't branch until the variant did something he didn't script
I love how hard this series makes me think. Im a fan complicated plots because I don’t like being spoon fed information or treated like I’m dumb. Challenge me! This show definitely scratches that itch for me😅
What about this-At the end of season, one episode one the Minutemen go back to 1858 to Salina Oklahoma and they found a stick in the ground for oil. They said it was from the early third millennia. I don’t believe Loki, Sylvie, put that there. But rather Kang “He who remains” put that there as a contingency plan. According to what I just watched on season two episode three, where Judge Ravonna Renslayer put the TVA handbook on the window sill where a young Victor Timely could find it. Here is the exact quote from that scene from season one episode one. Do you think we will revisit this site again in season two? What are your thoughts on this? MINUTEMAN: Time signature is early third millennium. Definitely anachronistic. Oil. I think some jackass found himself a time machine, came back here to get rich.
Exactly
Hopefully they actually pay it all off, rather than let the theories amount to nothing like they did with Pietro in Wandavision.
He was speaking in 3rd person when he said a variant of himself. He was referring to himself. At the end of his backstory he says that variant found alioth and ended the war.” I ended the mutiversal war”
Exactly!!!
Yep, Marvel better make this Make sense.
But I believe the timeline is in a loop… he who remains says he’s done this time and time again. Just like the movie the matrix. Neo was not the first “one”. I’m sure it’s gonna be revealed Loki and Sylvie are not the first “Ones” to have killed him. And he restarts the cycle over and over again. He even said “it feels like a fresh start”. Before they kill him.
Unless the variant he’s referring to is Ravonna Renslayer
@@2402devinwell he doesn’t say that he’s don’t it time and time again . But he does say that if Silvie kills him then presumably everything starts over and happens the same way it happened the first time
Why does everybody think the history that he remains “Shared“ would be remotely true, it might be based on some truths. But if he actually told them, he was created by actions that Loki and Sylvie etc. take it would completely go against his intentions of assuring his creation. He needs them to think that they are committing acts of free will, and not just going through his maze.
Yeah, he could have lied that he came from the 31st century.
Then everything can be a lie and it becomes irrelevant. Unreliable narrators can only go so far before ruining a tale.
@@cherryandrews2748🤓🤓🤓
@@qsqzqz Memento was that done expertly.
this makes the most sense.
I'm pretty sure the fact that the book-drop happened on the sacred timeline s the nexus event that put Victor Timely on his branch to become He Who Remains, so the sacred timeline is essentially his means of controlling that no other Kang variant receives this knowledge, thus preventing the multiversal war...
I feel like when Kang told Sylvie at the end of S1 that he'll "See you soon", he was foreshadowing them meeting his Victor Timely counterpart.
Exactly
yep! androids -> he who remains -> victor timely
Well it was more so saying the Kang variants in general. Not sure it was specifically targeted for victor timely
i believe that once Victor Timely enters into the TVA and sees what "he created" as another variant of himself, he will become He Who Remains or some other sinister variant of Kang; the TVA will inspire Victor Timely to become who is/was destined to be!
i feel like kang the conqueror created he who remains
Ms. Minutes was so creepy in episode 3, and I love it
Kang getting all the girls what a player
The Rizz is strong with this one.
Definitely I agree 💯
Victor Timely was put in the sacred time line by He who remains as a back up plan 😮
I am loving Loki. It has been my favorite series by far. One of the best character arcs ever! You are doing an awesome job breaking this down.
I think the Sacred Timeline was a timeline without a Kang, because it was a timeline where something happened to Reed Richards. There is no Fantastic Four (currently) in the MCU. No Reed Richards. He Who Remains found a timeline where he didn't exist to serve as the basis for his Sacred Timeline. I don't think he fully expected Sylvie to kill him - he spent too much effort to create Sylvie and Loki and to get them to come to his Citadel at the End of Time. But he didn't know how it would play out, so he took baby versions of himself from timelines to be pruned and seeded them throughout the Sacred Timeline, probably before technology had advanced to the point where they could threaten him without the aid of the TVA guidebook. I think HWR has contingencies upon contingencies, and this was just the start. But now that time is broken, the Fantastic Four may arise after all, the real spike in his plans as Kang comes to exist after all.
Wait I’m confused what does reed Richards have to do with Kong?
@@JrWasToShortdid you watch the video or not? The scientist from 31st century that told HWR about this multiverse is Nathaniel Richards, Kang variant, the descendant of Reed Richards.
I think putting multiple baby kangs in the sacred timeline wouldn't make any sense
Sacred timleine is not just a single timeline its a template to how a timeline should be in Kang's opinion to avoid Kang variants
@moons-nim well tbf in the comics it's never explicitly stated if he's a descendant of Reed Richards or Tony Stark, it's hinted very often/they kind of trade spots hinting which one he's related too. In a couple comics they even hint that he could be a descendant of Doctor Doom. These are all used in the comics because well obviously his name for Reed, but all his tech share striking similarties with Reeds, Tony's, and even Victors.
If dropping a book into a window is enough to create a branched timeline, wouldn’t planting an entire person who doesn’t belong in that timeline also cross the threshold for creating a branched timeline?
Correct. I also found this bit of information. I hope they expand upon from season one episode one. At the end of season, one episode one the Minutemen go back to 1858 to Salina Oklahoma and they found a stick in the ground for oil. They said it was from the early third millennia. I don’t believe Loki, Sylvie, put that there. But rather Kang “He who remains” put that there as a contingency plan. According to what I just watched on season two episode three, where Judge Ravonna Renslayer put the TVA handbook on the window sill where a young Victor Timely could find it. Here is the exact quote from that scene from season one episode one. Do you think we will revisit this site again in season two? What are your thoughts on this? MINUTEMAN: Time signature is early third millennium. Definitely anachronistic. Oil. I think some jackass found himself a time machine, came back here to get rich.
Agreed
Not if you are the person who decide what is the sacred timeline. There are more than one universe in the sacred timeline. The TVA allows them to exist as long as they don’t interfere with the baseline. For instance, the Avengers time heist was allowed by the TVA in the sacred timeline.
HE literally created the sacred timeline 😅
It wouldn't if the scriptwriter says it doesn't remember HE WHO REMAINS placed him there so meaning he could make it so nothing on the sacred timeline is interupted to cause a branch because I think the whole point of placing himself there is for safety from other variants of Kang so this way they would not be aware of his contingency plan .
3:30 I have to push back on that. HeWhoRemains later says, “…that first variant encountered a creature made from all the tears in reality… I harnessed the beast’s power and experimented on it. I- WEAPONIZED Alioth, and I ENDED the multiversal war!” To me that means HWR lied before to make the story less about him in the beginning. Now it’s possible Alioth killed that first variant and only HWR was the first to control it. HWR also says, “Once I isolated OUR timeline, all I had to do was manage the flow of time…” The ‘our’ could mean HWR’s home universe or simply referring to the timeline he, Loki, & Sylvie are all familiar with. The same timeline that could never have a Kang without outside interference since he’s a candle maker from the late 1800’s. A timeline that on its own is not a threat to HWR.
Yo I just thought of something crazy have you guys seen Predestination 2014 Victor Timely is Kang and Revonna's son and they placed him there to grow up to be Kang and then He who remains fathering himself 😵🫨😵💫🤯🤯🤯🤯
Oh, I could definitely see that happening. Along with them leaving markers so he would become rich. Because in season two episode three Victor Timely talks about not having enough money to complete his projects. I rewatch season one episode one and at the end I found this clue I think. Tell me what you think. At the end of season, one episode one the Minutemen go back to 1858 to Salina Oklahoma and they found a stick in the ground for oil. They said it was from the early third millennia. I don’t believe Loki, Sylvie, put that there. But rather Kang “He who remains” put that there as a contingency plan. According to what I just watched on season two episode three, where Judge Ravonna Renslayer put the TVA handbook on the window sill where a young Victor Timely could find it. Here is the exact quote from that scene from season one episode one. Do you think we will revisit this site again in season two? What are your thoughts on this? MINUTEMAN: Time signature is early third millennium. Definitely anachronistic. Oil. I think some jackass found himself a time machine, came back here to get rich.
Yeah, that is true it makes sense to have multiple contingency plans.
Another amazing video
Is this like that reverse flash thing where there’s always a version of him in the timeline/speed force in eobards case
Victor Timely can be a ancestor of Nathaniel richards (Kang) and just happens to be look like him. In the last cycle it was nathaniel richards who discovered there is a multiverse and maybe in that cycle too sylvie had killed He who remains and that allowed the multiverse to exist and in the previous cycle nathaniel richards have discovered it but i think this time he who remains gave a head start to one of his ancestor (not his future variant) to become the next he who remains.
I would go with the idea that kang "he who remains" , transfer his baby self to 1860 so there wont be any variant of himself came to reality as the techonology at that time isn't as advance as 31st century. and keep himself in the end of time while erasing his existence
One thing u got wrong is that HWR death created the multiverse, in reality it only connected 616 to the multiverse since it's always been there.
Yes, u both are making more sense!!!! Out of all the dumb theories I've read so far u guys got the most logical ones but I believe a baby variant of Kang was placed in that era on purpose so that his other variants couldn't find him however, I think Victor timely is not him. It's another variant (Kang). That's why he was in a branched timeline but here's the thing....if there were no branched timelines before HWR died then how was the young variant planted there??? Maybe when he died he made it so that he was reborn sometime in the past on the sacred timeline?? That's the million dollar question
i mean unless they reveal who all the fantastic four is i gonna stick with Tony Stark being the ancestor of kang for the sacred timeline
@@unculturedswine9984victor timely wasn’t on a branched timeline . It only became a branched timeline once they gave him the tva handbook . But before that he was on the sacred timeline . And I agree with you that he placed himself there so the other kangs wouldn’t know where to find him . Since they obviously all know when he was born .
I agree with you. I also wonder if we will see the unedited prime universe where Kang hasn’t left the 31st century. It makes me think that multiverse incursions are naturally occurring and Kang is doing something severely unnatural by pruning them. Maybe Kangs initial journey ruined something (like he created a fixed loop)
i think Timely is a variant of kang that just so happens to be born in the 1860's. When He who remains (HWR) wrote what would be the canonical history and part of the sacred timeline he chose a universe where his variant was harmless because he lived in an era where scientific knowledge was not advanced enough so he would be able to find interdimentional travel by himself but advanced enough, so if he decided to move him into becoming kang he would just need to give him the knowledge through the tva book.
I believe victor timely is Nathaniel Richard’s. The one who remains put him as far as possible from the time normal kangs originate so he doesn’t become an evil version of kang. He even game him a completely different name and put him the period with very unadvanced technology to keep him away from getting his hands on any evil tech that will make him become kang. Basically this was done on purpose so he will be different from the he who remains and other kangs.
Yep and the reason why is in case he needs an easy access nexus event to make a worthy successor
Wow.....Kang is literally best thing happend in MCU.
At the end of season, one episode one the Minutemen go back to 1858 to Salina Oklahoma and they found a stick in the ground for oil. They said it was from the early third millennia. I don’t believe Loki, Sylvie, put that there. But rather Kang “He who remains” put that there as a contingency plan. According to what I just watched on season two episode three, where Judge Ravonna Renslayer put the TVA handbook on the window sill where a young Victor Timely could find it. Here is the exact quote from that scene from season one episode one. Do you think we will revisit this site again in season two? What are your thoughts on this? MINUTEMAN: Time signature is early third millennium. Definitely anachronistic. Oil. I think some jackass found himself a time machine, came back here to get rich.
I don't think Timely is going to become he who remains. My bet is that timely is going to be sacrificed to kept the tva from meltdown.
Victor Timely is not Nathaniel Richards or He who remains. They are three different variants
This is going to be one of those theories where you’ve massively overthought it. He wasn’t planted there, Kang always starts there and then something happens to cause him to become a time-traveler.
Normally it would be kang finding himself like he explains at the end of season 1 remember kang controls the TVA but did he really create it or did OB and that’s why he has all the blueprints
And what exactly "happens" to him??? Cars haven't even been invented yet where he's at but something "happens" to him that gives him the ability to control, manipulate, and time travel and eventually, acquires a super advanced suit from the 40th century and conquers and destroys universes as he pleases. Yea, definitely great logic buddy
Like gaining a temp-pad from the TVA? Being able to travel to any point in time? He would then reveal his sinister plot, gain the technology he needs to create his timetravel chair and start taking over the timelines..
No, he doesn't. Kang is from the 32nd century. He literally tells you that in the finale of season 1. This a varient kinda like an ancestor.
@@unculturedswine9984you mean like bein taken into the tva?!
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YOO‼ I just noticed that the portal all the Kangs come through (8:07) is exactly the same as Reed Richards portal from Dr Strange MoM (3:53) ‼
I think it's the other way around, "He who remains" was transported to the future. I think that is the clues they are leaving when he mentions multiple times that he could build it if the technology existed then.
Good video
Its not hard, he sent information from the future to his past self. Also remember there is stuff on "Branch Timelines" and "Sacred Timelines". Loki went and got Victor from a "branch timeline" and brought him to the "sacred timeline".
How have you guys not pointed this out yet… People used to measure time with candles
It is now a branch timeline because of (he who remains) contingency plan. (He who remains) originally does not need the TVA handbook because there were so many other timelines to find his first go-round.
Love Voss coverage!!❤️❤️ only thing is I don’t it’s Nathaniel Richards anymore. Doesn’t seem they are going that route
I think he’s originally from the 1800s then gets the TVA book goes to the 31st century where the technology “catches up to his ideas” like he mentioned then finds the multiverse like HWR said in season 1.
Because Rensselaer gives the child the book puts him in position to become the next (he who remains) and giving him the technology to prune the timelines also winning the war. If you noticed he had his own pruning rod much larger and clunky but it still worked
This is an interesting theory Eric. If I’m understanding correctly, HWR is a variant of KTC. So I’m imagining KTC going back in time, kidnapping himself, and placing himself on the doorsteps of his would be mother? Or maybe even on the doorsteps of an ancestor of Reed Richards? 😮
Check this out. At the end of season, one episode one the Minutemen go back to 1858 to Salina Oklahoma and they found a stick in the ground for oil. They said it was from the early third millennia. I don’t believe Loki, Sylvie, put that there. But rather Kang “He who remains” put that there as a contingency plan. According to what I just watched on season two episode three, where Judge Ravonna Renslayer put the TVA handbook on the window sill where a young Victor Timely could find it. Here is the exact quote from that scene from season one episode one. Do you think we will revisit this site again in season two? What are your thoughts on this? MINUTEMAN: Time signature is early third millennium. Definitely anachronistic. Oil. I think some jackass found himself a time machine, came back here to get rich.
What if what we perceive as a future from our view is a continuation of the present to the future for Kang. Remember, eons in time are constantly moving, not going back. Even if it's a loop.
What if Victor ends up escaping the TVA to the 31st century. Then his "ideas" would be suitable for the time period, and he would go on to be the variant described by HWR. This makes sense to me since everything has lead to this point since HWR's death, inadvertently causing Victor to end up in the TVA, then in the 31st century, then unleashing all the Kangs again
I would go with the idea that kang "he who remains" , transfer his baby self to 1860 so there wont be any variant of himself came to reality as the techonology at that time isn't as advance as 31st century. and keep himself in the end of time while erasing his existence
But that would mean that the sacred timeline has always been altered from the start.
@@gonx9906it's always been altered. HWR created the sacred timeline so maybe he changed things to his preference.
At the end of season, one episode one the Minutemen go back to 1858 to Salina Oklahoma and they found a stick in the ground for oil. They said it was from the early third millennia. I don’t believe Loki, Sylvie, put that there. But rather Kang “He who remains” put that there as a contingency plan. According to what I just watched on season two episode three, where Judge Ravonna Renslayer put the TVA handbook on the window sill where a young Victor Timely could find it. Here is the exact quote from that scene from season one episode one. Do you think we will revisit this site again in season two? What are your thoughts on this? MINUTEMAN: Time signature is early third millennium. Definitely anachronistic. Oil. I think some jackass found himself a time machine, came back here to get rich.
No, Victor won't be the Kang that HWR described, since Marvel has confermed that the Evil Kang the Avengers will be fighting, is the Kang from Quantummania.
I think sylvie knows more then she’s sharing. I also think that kangs time pad has a alarm set to go off at a certain point in time
Correct. At the end of season, one episode one the Minutemen go back to 1858 to Salina Oklahoma and they found a stick in the ground for oil. They said it was from the early third millennia. I don’t believe Loki, Sylvie, put that there. But rather Kang “He who remains” put that there as a contingency plan. According to what I just watched on season two episode three, where Judge Ravonna Renslayer put the TVA handbook on the window sill where a young Victor Timely could find it. Here is the exact quote from that scene from season one episode one. Do you think we will revisit this site again in season two? What are your thoughts on this? MINUTEMAN: Time signature is early third millennium. Definitely anachronistic. Oil. I think some jackass found himself a time machine, came back here to get rich.
By the end of the episode, it's looking like Miss Minutes and Renslayer will team up as villains in the arc while Victor Timely, Loki and Mobius team up as the good guys trying to save the TVA. But it's pretty obvious that Victor Timely will at some point realize who he is and become independent and something else entirely good or bad. He is "singular" as Miss Minutes said
Why does He Who Remains depict the war between timelines as the Kangs are at war. But when we see them rally together at the end of Quantumaina to avenge one of them that doesn't seem to be the case. As well as this rejecting any "partnership" seems to be a trend in this episode. Did He Who Remains prune all the other timelines so he can be in control of all other Kangs? It's just weird that HWR was all alone at the end of time pruning any timeline with a Kang variant because he didn't want to WORK TOGETHER with them as PARTNERS!
I guess HWR was working with them for a bit but once that Conqueror betrayed all and the main 3 banished him, HWR feared him and backed away isolating his own 616 universe from others. And using Alioth to kill the ones who tried to stop him.
@@Natta44That makes sense. All Kang variants may exist together but HWR isolated his timeline which is called Sacred Timeline and other Kang variants do not have access to it. As per my understanding there are multiple universes in the Sacred Timeline. Sacred timeline consists of all such universes (branched realities) that lead to the emergence of He Who Remains from any of these universes. Any event (Nexus event) that might lead to emergence of a different Kang variant is pruned by the TVA.
In this era, they used to drive a nail into candles, and when the candle would burn down the nail would drop acting as an alarm clock (a control of time)
THANK YOU! Seemed like a pretty straightforward concept that he stashed contingencies in the sacred timeline but I’ve been seeing people twist their brain into knots trying to make sense of it
love this breakdown! I feel like we are looking at the start of the system resetting itself in the sacred timeline but HWR knows by doing this, it will create a new Kang variant (branch timeline). So every variant is just a side effect of keeping the sacred timeline on track to continue on its loop. And maybe HWR is trying to find a way to continue the sacred timeline without creating a branch timeline that creates a new Kang variant, so he is trying different options of presenting his ancestors with the information they need to become HWR, but has not been successful yet. Feels very Matrix style if you will and its awesome.
I think it is important to remembers that he said his variant discovered universes stacked on top of each other and not timelines. The "universe" Nathanial Reichard's comes from is sperate from this kang. In this kang's world he became he who remains and used variants from other worlds and not timelines as plants to destroy possible nexus events.
This is a VERY interesting way to keep Kang a somewhat recurring villain, potentially even past Secret Wars. There are probably hundreads of baby hims placed in various points in the sacred timeline, ensuring that these babies lives and futures are not too prominent to alter his future history. THAT IS until he activates them like sleeper agents, in case he needs more chaos or if the Avengers manage to beat him, OR maybe some random event or the Avengers accidently "activate" him, ensuring that he always comes back.
7:05 almost had a heart attack😮
Makes sense that 1977 is a Sacred Timeline occurrence, Brad knew that branch timelines were going to be wiped, he wanted to make sure he'd get to live on.
I theorize that the recording that Loki listens to between Von & Victor/He Who Remains is after Victor/He Who Remains wipes her memory. Thus uttering to her the TVA motto. It's as if she was the first victim of his memory wipe technology
You've got this wrong imo ... the younger Victor Timely was not kidnapped and placed back in the 1860s from the 31st century. He exists there naturally. Variants aren't scripted to universal point in time. Keep in mind, time is not "chronological." Remember - Kang told Janet (Quantumania) "You've lost a lot of time. But time, it isn't what you think... It's not a straight line." Time isn't merely what's past, present and to come. It is cause and effect. Event and outcome. PROBABILITIES. The Sacred Time line isn't ONE specific set of outcomes - it's MULTIPLE sets of outcomes (probabilities) stacked on top of each other. Remember when He Who Remains told Loki and Sylvie "He was a scientist, and he discovered that there were universes stacked on top of his own." That's why when they tried to prune Sylvie - they weren't pruning a timeline, they were trying to prune an outcome that would lead to the multiversal war. When Dr. Strange looked into 14,000,605 scenarios - they were all within what we believe is the "Sacred Timeline." Those outcomes were all okay with He Who Remains. So that means that in the 31st Century (of one of the many outcomes) - Nathaniel Richards created multiversal travel - which is the poisonous apple. This is what has to be stopped to save the Multiverse. So in the "Sacred Timeline" there's a version where Nathaniel Richards is born in the 31st Century and his younger variant Victor Timely is born in the late 1850s. TIME AND OUTCOMES ARE NOT LINEAR OR CHRONOLOGICAL. Multiple timelines create the "Sacred Timeline(s)" - I added the 's' for emphasis. lol
Yes but here is the problem, all kangs naturally originate from 31st century, they made it blatantly obvious in this ep that Timely does not belong in this time, he was purposefully placed there as a contingency plan of HWR. Think about this, if Timely was a natural 616 variant born out of a branched timeline HWR would of pruned him because he doesn't allow other kangs to exist besides him, so clearly he took Timely and Artificial put him on the sacred timeline to have an easy access nexus event that could make a successor, and at the same time it wouldn't cause branching because Timely can't become dangerous because he is placed in the 1800s which hinders his abilities. Also, I believe HWR is the main 616 Kang, it only makes sense because we know all kangs were fighting to preserve their universe and well if HWR preserved 616 then he originated from there. Also we know 616 has to have an original Kang from the 31st century, and as of now I believe HWR fits that the best
What if Victor Timley, is the baby of He Who Remains, and Judge Renslayer? That tape, 'Yout truly are a marvel Ramona', is a resocrding from pillow talk? Victor Timely would then realise Sylvie killed his dad, possibly giving him a heel turn, from this gentle, in control character we see now
@@TWD77710 I think HWR purposely didn't prune Timely on the sacred timeline because he was in the 1800's and therefore had hindered abilities that prevented him from ever being a threat to his plans. That way, he had someone on the sacred timeline that was completely harmless to his plan unless given the necessary resources i.e. the TVA guidebook.
Go on….. further explain lol
Isn't the simple explanation that the sacred timeline is a variation of the one where He Who Remains was from, but where he didn't receive the TVA guidebook. This allows him to exist on the sacred timeline without ever becoming "a Kang," but could potentially become a Kang with that one nexus event (receiving the book).
I always assumed HWR winning the multiversal war meant his timeline was the only one that survived, making it the sacred timeline. But now I'm thinking maybe he picked the only timeline in which his Kang variant wouldn't be a problem to be the sacred timeline. Because in this timeline, Kang was born in the 19th century, therefore being limited by the technology of the time.
So how does it go from being on the sacred timeline to being branched? Was it because of the book being dropped in the window changing the timeline?
The TVA booklet when it was dropped was it complete or blank for him to write his notes as it was shown later
Who is the original Kang? If He Who Remains is creating all these variants of himself. Shouldn't that mean there are variants that are not like him ... In appearance and mindset? It's like Loki. There are many different variants of Loki that are nothing alike.
Ob is a variant I believe
Considering Loki is really a massive hulking grey frost giant, the Lokis we see; pretending to be small and pink, are probably the exception.
my theory is we're just going in 2 loops, one loop is he who remains, being candle maker and then he who remains that dies and rinse and repeat, and then the other loop is the destruction of the tva and recreation of it, which in turn explains why there's a past and future to the tva. As for how the time loop started, honestly, maybe another kang variant from when the war was going on or someone else that was able to travel through time apart from the kang dynasty or kangs
I, for one think that Victor Timely is the one who won the multiversal war, and to avoid any confrontation to whoever might challenge him, he set the contingency himself. He put He who remains, i.e. the one Sylvie killed. and manipulated him through time. and set him up so that IF there is a power which could defeat a variant of him. He wont be the one to die, rather his death, end of season 1, would start the loop of his birth once again. hence a complete cycle. I think Victor Timely already closed the loop, and what we saw in Season 1 was happenstance of what originates the 'story' of a monster like KANG.
Also possible that in the 31st century, it's common to have kids using old genetic samples determined to have a high amount of potential that was never previously realized. One of the Kangs traced back their lineage and made a branch to see what the original Victor could do given the opportunity. Maybe even someone trying to figure out a way to defeat Kang by turning his original DNA against the other Kangs.
I think every Sacred Timeline starts as a branched timeline until the new HWR turns that TL into the new Sacred TL. So every Sacred TL ever has been a branched TL the branches off the previous Sacred TL and the circle just goes on and on. Every Sacred TL dies and a new one is made off of it. And HWR always plants a new kang kid variant in the 1800s
If you place some one from the out side of sacred time line from that point new branch time line will form. So you cant medal with sacred time line .
Your idea of multiple kang variant plants throughout time made me wonder if Charlie Spencer could have been one?
I think a HUGE! grandfather paradox Is incoming 👀👀.
What I'd like to know is why He Who Remains or a variant created the TVA with the 70s like design.
The key here is the book and the different choices someone does. Maybe in the Sacred Timeline he tossed the book and no timeline is created but in other one he not only grabbed it but used to time travel back in time creating havoc in time. Maybe this one Victor Timely is the one who can save everything. Regarding Miss Minutes could have been created by Nathaniel Richards in the 31 Century and OB could have been his assistant or Colleague.
If it's all in the Sacred Timeline, then He Who Remains is just creating himself inside of a 'time loop'. Kind of like going back in time to be your own great-grandfather. He's just sending Renslayer back to when he was a child to give him the book he had OB write in order to create the version of himself that created the TVA.
I think in a multiverse there are versions of everyone born at different times, since it’s infinite there’s one of me conceived and born at every possible second in the past and the future. There’s a standard set but with infinite variations of that set then there are universes where the me there was born 100 years earlier or 100 years later and everywhere in between
Have you seen "Predestination"? It almost sounds like Kang is similar to that story
I think VT is a variant HWR uses to restart it and then throws under the bus in some way, not actually destined to become HWR. That's something I can totally imagine HWR doing.
I know one thing, Episode 3 was a great one 💯
I bet this plays out similar to kang and iron lad. He was placed there to be the next one but instead chooses a different path than HWR(or a different path from the other kangs to become HWR)
Maybe he went throughout history and had a bunch of kids in different eras. so then he could make plans to steer them to be the next he who remains when/if needed
As this unfolds this is starting to feel like Kang/He Who Remains is pulling a Rick Sanchez keeping timelines/"sacred timeline" where he rules or comes to ultimate power. In Quantumania Kang showed, what almost looked liked, multiple "sacred timelines" stacked ontop of each other. Almost a way how He Who Remains explained. I think there was a whole different multiverse that He Who Remains took advantage of by delivering a TVA manual to his younger self and all the knowledge he gained he took over the TVA from OB (or a still yet to be seen "original" He Who Remains) that made him the ultimate ruler all by using other peoples tech for himself. But it didn't go as smooth bc of his varients all going for the same prize.
To me the contraption he goes to fetch in winsonsin looks like the sphere in quantomainia.
Victor Timely is a Descendant of He Who Remains, which is a Variant of himself. However, a Variant found that A Tempel aurora had respawned back in the 1800s. Now creating a bootstrap Paradox Where previously a Variant of his in 31st Century started all of this. Now Victor Timely Variant has a 300-year head start on all the other KANG Variants.
2:38 i like this book
Astounding Victor Timely AVT - TVA
I think the answer is more 4th dimensional. I think they're all "Victor Timely," but certain variants became self-made time travelers through a branch-logic version of closed loops. The Sacred Timeline is just a way to break those loops and prevent Kangs from emerging.
The end of Loki season 1 reminds of the end of snowpiercer
Vic Timely not a doppleganger. He is a variant of He Who Remains who He Who Remains put on the sacred timeline and wiped his memory so he unbeknownstly works for the TVA and help fix the temporal loom before He Who Remains is born. There will be more victor timely type variants popping up on the sacred timeline. Maybe Qeng will be one of them. Victor Timely 1893 branch will be pruned soon I’m sure.
Hes a varient thats just not harmful
Also hasn’t been confirmed that Nathaniel is a decedent from reed. It’s always been kept a secret if it’s him or Doom. In “only myself left to conquer” it’s not even revealed. One of those marvel just the way it is type of things.
HWR basically created a Nexus Event with his past self, and told Miss Minutes to give that younger self the TVA book to ensure his variant would become HWR. The only thing that wasn't explained was how Victor Timely is from 1860s, unless HWRs origin is him being brought to the Sacred Timeline by the previous HWR to ensure its always a Victor Timely that becomes HWR, because Timely is the most benevolent of all Kang variants.
Maybe he who remains was planting variants on the sacred timelines this whole time for this purpose
Wouldn’t it make sense for the future Avengers or Fantastic 4, seeing the threat of Kang, decided to place his childhood self somewhere on the timeline where he couldn’t cause any issues. But he was still born in the future to the same parents as the other Kang variants.
They are taking him to the TVA. I could see him easily grabbing a temp pad and going to the 31st century to gain the tech he wished he always had
I'm starting to seriously think that Victor isn't just another variant but he who remains himself and his origin kind of.. lol of course the actual origin would of seen Victor creating miss minutes but the book being delivered was his second Canon event as where the first event was Nathaniel Richard's and the multiversal war forcing him to become he who remains in the first place
this is getting Wibbly Wobbly and timey wimey!
There are and benevolent and malevolent Kangs .. he who remains kept track of which variants were good in order to easily find potential replacements.... That simple
Hope not cause planting him on the sacred time-line would change the events that happen so it would create a branch and so this would make no sense that he is on the sacred time-line.
My theory is the sacred timeline is the timeline where and when there is Nathaniel Richards to exist. That is why Who remains pick that timeline.
Miss Minutes gave special task to Ravonna when they went to the past, where he who remains was a child . But Ravonna didn't know about him, she just did what Miss Minutes said to do,drop the package to that window. Which was tva guidebook, that had everything in it. Bur Ravonna didn't know about it. Before killing the kang , kang said get ready to meet my bad versions. He had planned everything, he told Miss Minutes to send Ravonna on a special mission, which it was to find the younger version of him, and to give him that package. The future kang even told to Sylvia and loki that there is a version of me that lives in 31st century.
So basically Kang is like a hydra from Greek myth, but the heads appear via time travel and alternate realities. And to defeat Kang, the heroes will have to find the original Kang baby planted somewhere in history.
We need a backstory of this!
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So he who remains is a variant like he said so if he was here and placed the book it would be his nexus event . So he couldn’t do it and that his this becomes his plan b etc
I noticed Kane's chair has a couch on it... Right behind the seat. Is that a setup for the Avengers to travel together in the next movies?
"A variant of myself, LIVED on earth, in the 31st century" He didn't say was born or originated in the 31st century. 🤔
We just found out in ep 4, that Victor Timely was a great scientist of the 1900 century that inspired Oroboros,so he was always meant to be a scientist on the sacred timeline
Here's my take; He who remains is Immortus, Nathaniel Richards from the 31st century as stated last season. Immortus realized sometime during the first multiversal war that technology can be used for horrific means so he used Alioth to wipe out a large amount of Kang variants who sided with The Conqueror. The Kang variants that we see at the end of Ant-Man 3 sided with Immortus helping create the Citadel of Time pretending to side with Kang during the fight however, once The Conqueror was betrayed by the council and locked away in the Quantum Realm, Immortus betrayed them by creating the sacred timeline as well as the TVA which closed the loop. After eons of peace and harmony Immortus grew tired of his station/job and made a plan to start another multiversal war, only this time it all events are dictated by him. I believe that Miss Minutes is Ravonna Renslayer either a variant or the original from Immortus's timeline who died and became an AI with no memory of who she was before. Brace yourself for this one, Judge Renslayer is actually Rebecca Tourminet a female variant of Kang pulled from a pruned branch timeline just like Sylvie and to honor is late wife/partner Becca was given the name Ravonna Renslayer by Immortus because like Loki he fell for himself. Victor Timely is the new Immortus reincarnated whereas Kang the Conqueror is the new Nathaniel Richards reincarnated, both being born on the Sacred timeline due to their deaths via Loki season 1 & Antman 3.
The first time I saw Victor timely in Quantumania after credits I said he looks like the Nutty Professor
This gives us a path to having Iron Lad
OB The Goat 🐐