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Loki Season 2 Episode 1 “Ouroborus” reveals that the TVA has its own internal history, and past historical eras that have undergone resets and memory wipes. Erik Voss breaks down the full timeline of the episode, WHEN everything happens, and how, exactly, time passes differently in the TVA!
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What shocks me the most is the fact that O.B remembers Mobius, and apparently everything that happens until they meet again, which would make him the only one on TVA who hasn't had his memories erased.
Probably because it would negatively affect his ability to carry it his job coupled with the fact that the only reason why someone sees him is because they pushed the wrong button
I was wondering why no one talked about it and the fact that OB probably knows who Kang is. Or at least his variant who run the TVA before erase everyone memories.
@nitap.2274 they also didn't manage to mention that Kang was no longer in charge. Loki disappeared, interrupting the potential to confirm information.
Never really thought about that. It's probably because no one ever sees him, so he never gets any information about what's going on, meaning that there are no memories about Kang or the TVA to be erased.
He remembers everything everywhere all at once. ;-)
This episode was so good! Love how it continued the energy of season 1’s finale and kept the ball rolling!
Exactly how I felt!
Funnily enough thats why people are hating on the episode, saying it is just an epilogue of season 1. Thats what tv shows are! They continue the story from the season before!
@@burgosbrand was so much fun!
Agreed great comment
@@breezegod2011 Really felt like another finale episode rather than an episode 1.
Erik, I think TVA employees are having their memories erased slowly (probably through the cafeteria/key lime pie), not as a solitary event. That's why Mobius can't remember having his memory erased, Casey says the floor has always been like that/always worked at that desk... I'll bet OB doesn't have pie often.
Then they’ll lose their memory everyday 💀
Considering the 1st episode was named Ouroboros the snake eating it’s own tail. It’s basically an endless loop. So this reset loop in the TVA makes sense
Yes, along with the beginning of time being in the same place as the end of time. Makes perfect sense.
I think that floor crack tells everything, like it happened before a LOOP!
Loki carrying the entire MCM on its shoulder 🙌
I know right. Loki season 1 was so good and this episode was amazing. Dr strange muiltiverse of madness should of been like this.
@@d00s0nMoM was soooo much better than ‘Loki.’
So far the new season feels like a lot like the vibe that the MCU used to have which is really refreshing compared to a lot of the other stuff they've put out recently
For me, the glass rings left by Mobius in Renslayer’s office were the first indication that the TVA had been reset, and Renslayer knew it.
What do you mean?
I 100% agree, I thought that last season
I wonder if OB is helping kang maintain and repair the loom and keep the cycle running. His name, ouroboros means infinity as it depicts a snake eating its own tail, just like how it seems kang kept resetting the tva by mind wiping them
I think Casey pruned Loki with his knowledge from the guidebook. He looked like he was puzzling it out. I can totally go for the hero move and then joining OB as an enlightened one without memory wipes.
It was probably Loki himself
@@theworm7156I agree Loki pruned himself.
@@theworm7156Personally I think it was the main trio.. lemme explain: So Mobius from the future was ringing the phone to attract Present Loki to look at the elevator and get distracted by Future Sylvie to then have Future Loki prune himself from the back, and I hope we'll get to see this from Future Loki's perspective in the next few episodes.
I think it was Loki too but we’ll see… cuz in the official trailer of S2 you see Loki looking and walking towards himself
@@nickt382 it's good to think that the writers actually have a plan. And now we wait for episode 2.
Is literally no one going to talk about the fact that OB is likely the inventor of the three time keepers?
I... didn't think about it!!!
Maybe you're on to something🤔
🔥🔥
He definitely is playing a better role than we can expect!
How is it “likely” - Kang is literally one of the smartest humans ever who invents all kinds of crazy things. It’s more “likely” that he invented them.
The fact that O.B. can remember Loki means that his mind has never been wiped.
Maybe wiped just once. Why you think he knows he is a variant.?
@@TheBrainDunne If he remembered loki that means his memories have not been erased in at least 1000 years
@@leogoga5832idk if he touched on this but why did möbius suddenly think he remembered what happened the last time he visited him O.B says no you left immediately and möbius was really confused
I think he was forgotten
@@BabyGlock-to me it seemed as if mobius was trying to make it seem like he stayed for longer, but the joke was that it was 400 years just stop in for no reason
I think the whole TVA cycle thing makes sense because He Who Remains said that after he’s killed and everything falls apart, he’ll end up back where he is. “Reincarnation, baby” he said.
I think the recording with "He who remains" and Ravonna is what Ms minutes gave Ravonna in the finale of season 1.
Prediction that just popped into my head because I'm stoned: He Who Remains separated a time branch (somehow cutting it off and looping it) and set the TVA up in that separated time branch. Because it loops, the memory-wipes could be automated. And differences (like OB wearing glasses, Casey getting promoted from custodian to front desk) could be accounted for by the system consolidating itself, like a system defrag.
Bruh... I love that.
Yeah but if time loops itself and resets every time, that means the previous timeline resets every time which means it doesn’t exist anymore.
My prediction is,you're not going to get very far in life lol
My assumption about why Mobius didn’t remember OB is because at some episode later on Mobius and Loki will go back in time and will end up visiting OB to ask for help. It’ll be OB’s first time meeting Mobius but Mobius’ second meeting OB.
I thought the same. I think we'll see the 'wrong floor' comment. Then see him immediately rush off 😂
If that was so then OB wouldn’t OB have remembered loki
@@vinnie7282 sure. But it could just be mobius that goes back in time. 🤷
Ke Huy Quan as ouroboros was amazing can’t wait to see more of him.
mcu movies need these writers
Hell yes!!! Down with Rick and Morty writers!!
@@bigd4998well they are the ones that did dr strange 2 and people seem to not like that one
@@mikedavis6414 yes but that wasnt completely their falt because of all of the creative differences and script rewrites
They do and fast
you would think it should be
10:38 - I mean, it makes sense based on their names. A mobius strip folds in on itself, so its constantly in a flux of switching sides, if you view it from one perspective; constantly being "reset." Ouroboros on the other hand, is constantly in a cycle. While the original concept is perpetually eating itself, it also signifies that the cycle has no beginning, but also no end. OB is kept as a constant, while Mobius, like everyone else, is on a pattern of being reset.
Time has always worked normally in the TVA, just that everyone gets their memory wiped every so often so they think it works differently.
they are C3PO in the OS....surface level they seem to know everything going on, but memory wiped keep that at a very surface level
There has to be more to it than that because otherwise they would have died of old age long ago, like remember OB having been there for at least four hundred years.
@@Klaital1time dilation is a thing. Because his room is next to the temporal loom, he's constantly bombarded by temporal radiation which could be slowing his aging
If it worked normally they'd all be dead a long time ago
@Duaality. A very specific dilation that allows 400 years of time to pass but conveniently halts aging??? Also Mobius went 400 years...
Awesome Video Erik!!! Thanks for explaining the Timeline of The TVA! I Loved The First Episode SO Much and I'M SOOOOOO EXCITED FOR THE NEXT ONE!!!!!!
When he goes back and sees OB and has him build that machine that pops up in the future right in front of them... That's a billing Ted excellent adventure movie
I want OB to be a Kang-variant. A mild-mannered Kang that built the TVA and its infrastructure just to have a stronger Kang (like He Who Remains) take it over. OB could be aware of the complete timeline and choose to stay in his meek role to make sure that time flows properly.
I had the same idea. Mostly because OB said he was going to have to rebuild the Loom with added capacity.
This is not what will happen (according to the leaks)
How do we know forsure the past OB was an OB before the time keepers and not after? Because if it were simply after the time keepers creation then it makes much more sense that he remember what Loki told him in the past.
He's not a variants of kang. If his, his aura would have open the door...
Here’s a thought. What if the Renslayer and Kang recording is after the war (the one Kang refers to that Renslayer helped him win) which is a war that happens in Avengers Kang Dynasty? 👀
😮😮😮
I Rate Loki Season 2, A 10/10
Don’t Jinx it……..pls🥺
@@I_have_Claws I won't jinx
It's only one episode. Don't rate the whole season yet 🥴
this new episode i had to rewatch just to soak it up. a true rollercoaster ride!
My thoughts on this episode: who pruned Loki just in time; how 2 details are connected. First, I don’t have a definite choice as to who pruned Loki, but I do have 3 possibilities. First is the obvious Mobius, as he had the prune stick. Second option would be Victor Timely, as this takes place in the near TVA future and we see Sylvie. Third option would be Loki himself, as he knows where he was as everything played out. The 2 details that are connected are the easter egg of the door to the time loom looking almost exactly like the door to Cerebro and the fact that everyone in the TVA had their memories “erased”. The memories were not erased but were blocked, otherwise Sylvie could not access them by any means. Kang would need a powerful telepath to do this. When I say telepath, who does that imply? Charles Xavier himself, or another of his psychic power level. Feel free to comment on my opinions.
Good point. But i don't see a reason for Charles to wipe out whole TVA employees memories, i mean he would never be on Kangs side.
It makes sense that it would be Charles because he was part of the Illuminati. @@kunak023
@@kunak023 remember when you’re dealing with the multiverse, just bc someone is good in one universe it does not mean they are good in all universes. One of his variants could be evil.
WOAHHH, this is really trippy & cool… because if they were to use an evil Charles Xavier variant it could THEORETICALLY be Cassandra Nova (rumored to be played by Emma Corrin in Deadpool 3).
I don't know who Justin Time(Thyme?!) is but he sounds like a wrestler
I love OB and can’t wait to see more of him on the show! Love Loki!!
Thank you so much for your content eric!
Your white board notes made like 100% sense to me, thank you for posting that.
I always found it odd to assume that "time works differently in the TVA" meant "time doesn't pass here"... without time, how could things even happen, and how could we see them happen. It is likely that while the MCU operates on a multiversal, branching logic (without causality, endless branches of any version of everything), the TVA operates on a single branch logic, either looped on itself with regular "resets", but more likely simply linear, since Loki is able to change it in the past by timeskipping and meeting Ouroboros, and Moebius also leaves an inscription that stays in the future... the mark left by Loki crashing the cab is also been there "since ever", but we see it happen in the past, so I think this is not a cyclical timeline. It is likely an independent, linear branch of time that sits right on top of the temporal loom - time might be very dilated here, hence people seemingly not aging for hundreds of years (which are probably measured at the actual speed of multiversal branches, since the TVA has no sun, day or night), but it still passes and people feel it normally (just like if you went at a very high speed you would still experience time, it would only seem slowed down to external observers). It's likely that He Who Remains won the multiversal war, pruned all the other timelines with their Kangs, and rebooted the TVA via mindwipe, building the Time-Keepers and retreating in the Citadel, not being aware that timeslipping is possible. The citadel might be even closer to the "end of time", i.e. a place where time stops almost completely, and around which multiversal timelines revolve (the ones constantly pruned, and the sacred timeline left in place)
I think you are onto something good!
by far best theories at the moment
adding this: I think some version of Kang OR future Loki Who Remains was making Loki timeslip. It seemed not random and too ex machina.
I think you are so right about the time cycle and that would be awesome to see this as cyclical.
I love how time travel outside the TVA is anti back to the future and inside it is pure back to the future/bill and teds style.
In the wider shots the time slipping effect is just jarring, mostly due to its sudden nature, but when it appeared in closeup near the end it was downright disturbing. Amazing work.
Ummm is everyone going to overlook the fact that OB is possibly Queng.... OB can't be trusted... the hired the most.beloved and trusted person to play a mystery role..... He's a Kang variant!!!!
I like that in the TVA we get back to the future time logic, but outside we get branching timeline logic. Didn't see that coming, and was so confused with how they left off Season 1 but this nicely explains it.
YEAH!!!!!!! Jessica is BACK! I love it!!!! Great news NR!!!😁
1. Past OB also has different uniform 2. Renslayer and He Who Remains conversation is in the past. At the time when he who remains recruited renslayer to lead TVA.
Good vid as always! It also makes sense that OB doesn’t have his memory wiped because he’s literally locked in a basement with no connection to the outside world besides those mail tubes
I think OB past must be more than 400 years ago just because OB doesn't recognise his nickname, meaning that Mobius hasn't given it to him yet.
That's my think8ng as well
Holy shit! You think?
Nice to be back here
It's great how I get inspired while watching these. When I look at time circling the Citadel it makes me think that the war ended and He Who Remains is on the remnants of a planet after all of the incursions have happened. Quite possibly the Citadel and the TVA is 2 different points on a timeline.
Slowly and steadily everything is going beyond my head.😂
Main thing I got out of this vid: I definitely need to rewatch the 1st episode again.
Thanks for the great video as always!! Absolutely enjoying it. Just a strange thought come into mind (most likely @ErikVoss already think of it already 😅). Notice the background outside of the circular TVA office, and it keep repeating it self into infinity..would that by the different point in time within TVA….may be time there is represent as a physical dimension….hence we cannot really see the “end” of the background, because it may loop back into the beginning and end…
So glad I grew up reading hard sci-fi. Makes following Loki and the entire multiverse easy.
I bet it turns out it's future Loki just before he finds Sylvie that pruned Loki 🤘
Thanks post-production team! You're the real heroes 😂
I honestly think that all of this is happening at once.. and we are getting to see how he who remains views time. Loki is just experiencing it and doesn’t have control like he who remains does. It’s not necessarily a loop it’s just how we perceive time.
When Loki get to meet OB in the past, it's at least 400+ years ago since he gives the first reaction to the nickname OB, saying ''I like that'' meaning he hadn't heard it before
Random question but what’s your thoughts of the look of the outside of the tva? When mobius is using the temporal harpoon gun to get Loki, we see the outside of it for a second and it looks like a building floating in space with thrusters/boosters keeping it in place. Just super weird
the reason Mobius maybe doesn't remember O.B could be something other than a memory wipe, perhaps Mobius traveled back in time in order to prevent something bad happening, and he just happens to bump into O.B and "leave immediately". But at that point Mobius hasn't traveled back yet, so O.B knows Mobius but Mobius doesn't know O.B ofc you would think this contradicts Marvels time travel laws, but in the TVA "time doesn't work that way"
"there is no past TVA" "It's been 400 years since Mobius met OB"
We'll probably also get an even older Owen Wilson giving O.B. his nickname for the first time.
Loki went back to an O.B who was not used ro being called O.B, there's a scene where Loki calls him O.B and he seems confused at first but then later likes the name. So if Morbius gave him the name O.B 400 years ago, then Loki went back more than 400 TVA Years
Well OB didn't say Mobius gave him that. Just that he calls him OB.
At 5:03, look at O.B.'s uniform. That can also shed some light on when Loki possibly was. Same with Owen Wilson's cracked suit
Rewatching S1 I was reminded of the time twister, so moving someone through time in the TVA isn't so unheard of.
The time twister moves you spatially, not through time. It takes you to a previous space you were in the past, but within the present. Very confusing!
@@Natta44 thanks, you verbalized that in a very easy to understand way.
The biggest mindfuck is OB remembers the past only after it happened in the preset!
YES!!! I’m so excited to see Jessica again!!!!! 😁😁😁
Nice
when loki went back to the past he says "can i call you OB?" OB says "i like that". That means he must've gone back in time before Mobius met OB since he OB was never called OB before. So most likely Loki has gone back in time further than 400 years. We still don't know for how long OB and Mobius have known eachother. Considering that Mobius last visit was 400 years ago, I think loki must've gone back in time by at least 1000 years
In s1 Mobius and Renslayer said they have been friends for eons. So 400yrs isn't that long is it? But it's strange because they don't have days, nights or weeks, so time just goes on and on in TVA.
Awesome
I believe when Loki timeslips into the past in front of O.B. was BEFORE Mobius had last visited him since Loki asked if he could call him O.B. and he says "yea I like that" and since he remembers everything it stands to reason that that interaction happened Pre Mobius O.B. Visit
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10:26 i just now noticed there is a 4th one on the right atleast it looks like a person/time keeper
9:50 The past TVA sees the time line split and branch off as well maybe coz it’s happening at the same time as the present like when Loki give ob the ideas two different times but also happening at the same time
Ha! I see you were wearing the 'Fresh Pies T-Shirt' from Nerd Riot in the reflection.
I enjoyed watching Loki Season 2 episode 1
My ideal end game for the TVA. Keeping in mind the TVA was maintaining the timeline where he who remains wins. What if the TVA agents aren’t just variants, but mutant/xmen variants that NEEDED to be pruned ( which allows for recent mutants ) to show up eg ms marvel and namour. Gives somewhat of an explanation to explain their absence from earth 616… now I can’t stop imagining owen Wilson bald
The latest trailer repeating the words "again" makes sense now 😊
Kang probably just straight up forgot about O.B's existence 🥹
Good video
Opening episode was lit.
More importantly time in the past directly changes the future in the tva, vs the way time works in the multiverse. Also you are right about the citadel being the beginning and the end but just like a ring you can’t see the end nor the beginning because it flows seamlessly
You can hear Ke Huy Quan mumbling Temple of Doom instead of Temporal Loom for call backs. OB - The branching is overloading the Temporal Loom (mumbles Temple of Doom). Loki - Temporal Loom? OB - That’s bad you know. The Temporal Loom. Kinda like the lines in Goonies. Data - I’m setting booty traps. Sam - Booby traps. Data - That’s what I said Sam. I’m setting up booby traps in case if anybody is following us.
i want a perfect loop , like from silvie pont of view of that future , and future version of this loki was the one pruning past himself.
@NewRockstars after seeing this video i came to a thought where he who remains did exactly the same as wanda in wandavision series . Used everyone like muppets in his own world . Reset their memories from their og lives and when something bad happened start from the beginning or in wandavision change decade 😮😮
I really the sort of retro look of the TVA throughout the first season and second season.
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I love these kind of shows - Loki, Predestination, Back to the Future, Everything Everywhere All At Once, Netflix Original Upgrade and many more it gives me existential crisis
I'm thinking since the TVA us so huge that all the different identical building in the distance that we've seen since the beginning is the TVA effectively in different times.
The place at the end of time is why I've been thinking about this idea for so long.
I think, the best way to think of the TVA's timeline, is that it runs perpendicular to the regular timeline, instead of parallel. this is how the sacred timeline, can be accessed at any point in "time" from the TVA timeline, while still retaining it's own "line"
I like to think that He Who Remains just forgot that OB existed and that's why he remembers further back than Mobius does
I have found new admiration for Loki😅
Well, that makes sense because Loki is the catalyst of Ragnarok in Asgard, so why could he not be the catalyst of “Ragnarok“ at the TVA ? He IS the catalyst
I imagine the mentioned war as being a new war unleashed by Sylvie, the now He Who Remains being a new Kang, one who's not as good at hiding his presence and therefore needing to reset the employees memories more frequently. Loki being stuck in time would come of every timeline changing around him, every timeline but his.
Did anybody notice obi had the only memory of what was going on. His memory wasn't wiped but yet he never left his desk because he was to busy
I believe everyone noticed ..
It's before Mobius' visit 400 years ago at LEAST... he's yet to hear his nickname "OB" given to him by Mobius.
I had to go back and watch the first season and noticed that He Who Remains is the only one without facial scars. Maybe it's just a way to keep track of which Kang is which, but I'm curious as to the symbology of the statue getting 'scarred' in the first episode of Season 2. Maybe nothing, but it might be worth keeping an eye on.
It was nothing
I really think that it was Loki himself that Pruned him.. & in the next scene Sylvie and Loki will meet 😅 Or maybe this will happen in a later episode.. But i really think it will happen
I just don't understand two things: 1. Why Loki, once he returned to Mobius, didn't make sure to leave a pruning stick in the room for his past-self to find in the future? He dropped the stick in the present when he time-slipped to the future. The most logical thing was that once he returned back to the present, he would take it and place it above the skin (where Mobis scribbled) computer monitor. and 2. Why the TVA Handbook is so thin? That thing is supposed to be a manual about everything in the TVA, why is so thin? My sewing machine manual is thicker than that!
Of course there is a past in the TVA in the first season. Ramona Renslayer used to be an officer before she was a judge, Mobius and the minutemen have been hunting Lokis for a long time, Mobius remembers hunting Kree, Titan, and Vampire variants before.
Let’s gooooo
The last reminds me of Miguel O'Hara explained of the incursions
Hmm.. I’m having trouble reconciling these facts
I suggest reading Asimov's End Of Eternity. It's out of print, but if you can get a copy, it handles similar concepts and themes to the TVA.
Lokis meeting with Obi must before 400 years because Obi said mobius calls him that and when loki is asking to call him that, his reaction is telling us he hasn't met mobius yet.
One thing I noticed and honestly I just noticed it was that I think Loki met past OB before 400 years ago because he mentioned that the one time Mobious met him, he called him OB for short and when Loki called him that, he was like oh, I like that name. So I assume nobody ever called him that yet before or he would of remembered since he seems to be the only one there that actually remembers everything
You need to now go through Slyvie's Timeline with this new information. We know frost Giants have long life spans, similar to Asgardians. Sylvie was taken as a child. How long has she been running?How many resets have there been? Remeber Ravona remebered Sylvie. She hasnt been reset like all the other TVA members.
Episode 1 is laughtrip HAHAH, Morbius scared of losing his skin HAHAHAH
The Mobius that OB met 400 years ago was the one the left the coffee cup rings in Renslayers office that Mobius didn't recognize in the first season
In the judge council scene, X5 tests his hands on his vest and the scars on his arms match the damage on his chest plate as if he’s been struck in that position. Also there’s X and 5 on the back of his gloves … cool detail 🤓