How the HR Monster Destroyed the Workplace: The Woke Mission Creep of Human Resources Departments
On this week's #SWYSI, Telegraph columnist Juliet Samuel joins Peter Whittle to discuss how mission creep has turned the once humdrum human resources department into an ultra-woke, bureaucratic beast.
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our company used to have 15 people - only 4 now in a more productive smaller unit - no passengers on our ship, lean burn.
HR, has become away to bum people down. Women in the work place rule the roast, takes the responsibility off management, also hidden under the guise of Health and Safety. Kid's are no longer taught work skill, life is now based on qualifications, HR is a waist of time, which has made this country a scared society. Men stay away from helping others because of this ideology. Older people have the skills kid's require but not the qualifications. Why the brain cells have declined over the decades, look at politicians.
feminism and wokeism is nothing but the new communism.
@@andyfield7397 Haha, my company tried to fire me. They lost in court. Now they're paying me almost twice my regular salary while I'm on early retirement. The problem is the WOMEN! The whole woke-sh*t is female-driven. The more women gained power in companies, the more BS they introduced. Put the curves next to eachother and you'll see.
id rather burn my money and this WOMAN has the gull to speak about MEN LIKE THAT!
People have to stand together. A friend of mine a couple of years ago was forced to attend a "white privilege / problematic whiteness" training seminar to keep his job. About halfway through it, he stood up, told the "expert" running the course that he "had no time for this hateful racist and sexist garbage, I'm out", and was told he had to accept it and complete the module to keep his job. His response was "You won't have to worry about that, because my notice will be on [his manager's] desk inside ten minutes." The moment he stood up and walked out, a few others got up and left after him. Once that started, it escalated until nearly three quarters of the other attendees had followed him out the door. Such a large number of resignations would have been catastrophic for the company, which was only mid-sized with about 150 staff - at least 100 of them walked out. Cue an emergency meeting with senior management in which the CEO asked, "Ok people, what's wrong and how can we convince you to stay with us?" It was made very clear to him that he could have wokeness or staff, but not both. The result was that the company reduced its diversity/inclusiveness program to simply offering counselling to any staff member who felt they needed it, rather than forcing them to sit through woke seminars. People, it only takes ONE strong man or woman to walk out the door and others WILL follow. Nobody wants to be the first to stick their necks out, but if you find the courage to do so, you'll very likely, and quickly, find a stack of supporters behind you. And if they don't follow you out, then you've just escaped a very toxic workplace. People power is very real. You just need to find the heart and the courage to be the first to invoke it.
That man deserves the job of the executive that wanted to push that racist bigotry
On today’s episode of things that never happened
@@blinkin78 You're just having a little tanty because you refuse to believe anyone has the will to stand up to you crybullies. You've lost your war. Deal with it. I *became* friends with the guy this happened to, precisely because he had the courage to speak out about what happened.
@@Mystikan copy and pasted straight off Reddit buddy.
@@blinkin78 Yeah? Post a link to the source. Bet you can't.
Meanwhile, the workers who actually bring value are more stressed, more overworked, not represented, and not remunerated. And these sorts of environments allow spiteful people to play humiliating power games on employees not part of their clique, or people who they are jealous of.
Lot's of highly paid "Diversity" Managers will save us
Welcome to the world of communism AKA social justice, it has been creeping in for years. As the old USSR workers used to say "they pretend to pay us so we pretend to work" this is why it never works as everyone just gives up striving as there is nothing to strive for.
Those workers not pulling their weight bully those who are as they know they’ll be found out sooner or later; so they make pre-emptive strikes on the good workers, eventually forcing them out. The workplace is eventually left with a lot of nasty, useless, petty no-hopers.
Well yes, 'twas ever thus I'm afraid. I'd had enough of it by 62 so I took a reduced pension and left. My 'mental health' has subsequently improved immensely and now, at 70, I feel like I've been reborn.
WELL SAID, Paul!
I worked as male in one of biggest HR departments in a 30000+ company. The HR department is 95% women and they were preaching how the company needed more women managers and engineers in the whole organisation (absolutely gender discrimination) yet they had no interest in getting more men into the HR department. I confronted them with this, why they did not promote gender balance in HR and went as role models for this idea, and I became the target of bully and character assassination on a daily basis after that episode, I had to quit my job because I become so sick from stress.
Yep - similar experiences.
Same with hiring of personal assistants. Why are they always women or at best, gay males? Why won't they hire lesbians or aspiring MMA fighters with a good command of Excel and Outlook scheduling?
@@SurpriseMeJT OooH you are naughty ...but i like you!
What company was this?
@@kc5169 Why are you asking? I prefer staying anonymous.
I was accused of bullying in the workplace, which I strongly denied. Human Resources took over and did a full 1 month investigation. At the end I got a letter saying that. “ After an extensive investigation we have found no evidence that you did or didn’t bully anyone, but the general consensus is that you did “. So they found me guilty. I took the letter to my boss and a copy to the union. By the end of the week I was found innocent and the HR girl was sacked. That’s my dealing with that mob.
Still...you need to beat that person's arse. When they least expect, have then broken up
If only the advertising industry had a union.
The letter she sent you literally makes no sense. That's what happens when women are put in charge. They destroy every good thing that men build. Disgusting.
happy ending.
Your HR dept operates by left wing logic... that truth is established by public polls. If a consensus say that twice two is five then it must be so even if there is no evidence.
I work in an HR dept. I'm one of 2 men. I'm an programmer. It is my job to automate away the jobs of everyone else. And I'm good at it. Most people in HR now have nothing to do. They tend to be 1) not very bright 2) overwhelmingly female 3) busy trying to justify their worthless existence with woke initiatives. They are not needed. They seek to bully the workforce because women in power who aren't very bright invariably do this. They want to force all the men to be 'nice', but what they actually do is make life miserable for everyone else and harass and bully people with the threat of ruining promotion opportunities, taking away perks and ultimately dismissing people who stand up to them. Oh, and 'educating people' over and over with 'training' until they submit. Solution ... fire them all. HRIS systems these days are so advanced you don't need many people in an HR dept. Leaving them will destroy your business. Keep the recruiters for interviews, a payroll manager and maybe one or two administrators for dogsbody work. Fire all the HR business partners and Senior HR business partners. They get paid a lot and they produce nothing other than woke. It's the business partners you should flush out tomorrow.
This is it. So true. The job is effectively corporate welfare. They are a tyranny at this point. Hard to keep strong against them when they hold this much power. At the end of the day I want to do a good job and get paid/bonuses on it. I keep my ideas to myself at work, no one is offended or upset by me, but I won't sit back and be told I'm bad because of who I am and that I have a subconscious issue against others. Best of luck my friend.
Yes, absolutely. And I wouldn't mind betting the other bloke is from some kind of 'minority'.
I so agree with what you've stated. 15 years ago, I was based within a university's HR Department. The head of HR earned £80,000 and her two deputies each earned £60,000. The head of HR confided in me that she was bored in her role and basically shuffled paperwork to look busy. She delegated everything to her team. The renumeration these people receive for being glorified administrators is obscene.
There is an important part of HR though that companies need Employment Law Specialists otherwise you have managers doing the most stupid things and getting into trouble with the law.
@@thecamil10 have you not watch this program?
I have been a paramedic in Victoria Australia for over 20 years and have witnessed activists destroy an ambulance service. We can’t get you to hospital- but don’t worry- we’ll get your pronouns right.
Same happened here. A friend of mine had severe heart problems and got very ill. Blue etc. Could not move I KEPT talking to the 911 crew until after hours they finally made it there. Then 911 hung up on me. I heard nothing since. Later I heard what had happened. They had arrived and left after a few minutes without the patient because he had not expressed clear enough that he wanted to go to the hospital and they did not want to hurt his feelings. He lay there for days alone, abandoned and died.
My wife has recently retired after almost 25 years in a UK ambulance service and promotion has become a 3 pronged affair. 1. What job your mother/father does. 2. Your ethnicity. 3. Your sexuality. None of those things have any bearing on your ability to do your job and almost none of those jobs have anything to do with saving lives.
Their pronoun is deceased.
@ImOnIt4272 I can be next I live here too.
@@nomdeplume798 how does a parents job factor into it? Sounds very similar to how promotions were handled in post revolutionary Soviet Russia
Also, if you are an employee, who goes to HR to complain about management, HR will do everything possible to silence you. They are there to enforce the power of those in power.
Even worse: in a conflict with management I spoke to HR and said that wanted that the discussion between us would be strictly confidential and between us. Next morning HR had spoken to my line manager. Personnel should be told when they join a company that any discussion with HR is not confidential and is shared with management.
HR is now passe in my company and is now called People Experience. They no longer do personnel things such as assisting with benefits or expense reports. They are 100% engaged on DEI and other political activism. I recently retired and there was no out processing at all including no exit interview, post-exit health benefits briefing, etc. Seems human resources only cares about certain types of humans and pushing an agenda.
Same? Insurance?
The first time I heard HR referred to as PE, I had no bloody idea what department they were referring to. Like, I’m not at work to “experience people” I’m there to perform a specific task, go home, and get on with my life. We need more people who are mission focused on the JOB ITSELF, not all this foolishness. 95% of even getting a job these days, is in clearing the hurdle of HR weasels who don’t even understand the nature or function of the jobs they’re hiring for. You basically have to pretend that nothing has ever gone wrong or ben challenging ever in your life, and everything is perfect, or they will pick at that like a scab until they bleed you. It’s all about jumping around them, to the manager you’ll actually work with, who also knows what’s required in the task. In 10 years of contracting, I’ve found it to be completely consistent that if you make it past the idiotic gatekeeper in HR, you pretty much have the job. And heaven forfend if you have a real problem - I mean a real one- with someone who actually is sexist or racist or whatever. Then, when you proper need HR to sort it out, you can BANK on them punishing you for complaining, out of some misguided belief that they’re protecting the company.They’re not. They weaken it at every turn.
The number of oxygen thieves that clog up companies and make everyone's lives a misery is ridiculous these days!
Plenty at the Air Museum up North where I work....
Beautifully expressed and you hit the nail on the head!
In schools too.
"oxygen thieves"! Yes, the Earth is definitely short of precious oxygen: too much of it is being wasted by parasites :)
If they can get an advanced degree in something like HR, and if you have to deal with them, then it's always obvious by the drop in oxygen when they walk into the room.
HR exists for two reasons 1) to create employment for HR people, and 2) to make life difficult for anyone with a proper job.
Agree/understand, been there , aint going back.
Yes. Very ture. I seen it.
Exactamundo.
Thank you. You nailed it. Perfect. Deserves a T-shirt.
No lies detected.
I used to work in an HR-related field. The day I knew I was leaving the UK and never coming back was when I was invited to a disciplinary meeting and told "you said something bad" and when I asked what, I was told they couldn't tell me, when I asked where or to whom, the same. You can't win in a world where dribbling morons from HR hold unlimited power over you and you cannot even answer the accusations they make, because they won't tell you what those accusations are. It's purely Orwellian. So, I left the job and the UK, and a few years later, I left the profession. It's not easy making it on your own in the big wide world, but it's better than playing insane politics with power tripping shit weasels.
In the early days of computer support offices, we workers noted a very similar attitude among IT people. Anything new users wanted was "not needed", and all system improvements for the systems benefited IT personnel and drove users insane. IT people, much like the later, improved HR people, became nothing more than geeks with power. If they were confronted, both would answer with the latest gobbldygook from their respective worlds. Glad I'm no longer there.
Kafkaesque. The collectivist newspeak is what is Orwellian.
@@Samgurney88 accurate remark, there was some of that in Orwell's too though
@@Weesel71 similar yes, but not agreeing with IT shenanigans would never make an employee a subject of "lynching" on alleged moral basis.
@@tamashumi7961 Oh true, but I believe I'll stick with the "Wild West Defense": Your Honor. he needed shooting.😃
As an engineering manager in the ninety's, I watched it creep into my company. Women were at the forefront of it. Common sense became a thing of the past. I changed my job to avoid having to deal with these idiots.
Fifteen years ago, I was based within a university's HR Department. The head of HR earned £80,000 and her two deputies each earned £60,000. The head of HR confided in me that she was bored in her role and basically shuffled paperwork to look busy. She delegated everything to her team. The renumeration these people receive for being glorified administrators is obscene.
It's the same in corporations, big salaries for paper shuffling. Payroll is largely automated so HR departments are superfluous, the sensible option is simply abolish HR departments, flush the parasitic rubbish away.
I guess it's always best to make sure your subordinates are being well paid - then you can justify about 30% more because, after all, you're in charge of them!
feminism and wokeism is nothing but the new communism..
@@every1665 yep they have to justify their existence even though there isnt one , so they make things up to justify their existence , bosses get fooled by it
@@patthewoodboy And justifying their jobs often means inventing extra pointless tasks ('safety' checks, training courses etc) for the workers who actually do useful things.
I see this at work constantly. I had 11 days off in total last year, 2 periods of which were due to company policy (I had to leave to get a Covid test and wait for the result) 1 due to a sprained knee and one where they sent me home due to a very bad chest infection. On returning to work after this last event I was told I had to have an interview with my boss and HR. The upshot of which was that I received a verbal warning for going 1 day over the threshold for absence. My arguments that I was following both company policy and the law fell on deaf ears. I wasn't too worried as even at 60 years old I am quite fit and healthy. However there are many others who have been off for weeks with genuine illness/operations etc. All now get a verbal warning leading to written warnings, final warnings and then the sack. The office functions have expanded greatly in my time and those who actually produce are being wittled down and not replaced. We have had sackings for what my generation would call banter. We have had sackings for political incorrectness, people with decades of specialist experience gone over relative triffles. In production terms we are losing our way with more down time due to inexperienced staff and lack of staff. Other changes I see are LGBTQ+ support groups notices on company notice boards, mental health awareness groups and offers of in house counciling. Financial health awareness groups and offers of in house counciling and seminars. We are seeing in addition to the traditional first aiders, things like mental health first aiders being appointed after 3 day courses. There is an atmosphere of genuine fear at work, people afraid to speak normally, or raise objections etc, I'm fairly wiley due to long experience and I know with company questionnaires, and so called anonymous surveys that there is the right answer, the wrong answer and the one "they" want to hear. The frequencies of these information gathering tools is increasing. 1984 springs to mind
A great new portmanteau word: triffles (piffle + trifles)!
@@heron6462 Lol yes sorry for spelling mistake
I had this in one job - bullying after being on sick leave for legitimate reasons. I am surprised, very surprised, that it is not against the law, and comments from legal people would be welcome.
Corporations get a huge bonus for achieving Sustainability and Diversity Goals (SDGs I think) which means ticking all the woke boxes. Climate diversity carbon Credits lgbt (but not political diversity mind you)
This reads like a blueprint for failure.
I was head-hunted to a head-of role, in part due to my background of fostering genuine equality of access. During the probation period, a member of the group felt so distraught at “having a straight white male senior manager” that he was unable to come to work and literally put up a formal complaint that the situation constituted an unreasonable psychological impact and bullying. Instead of telling him to grow up, HR supported his claim and declared me to be a workplace risk, and guilty of bullying solely on the grounds of being straight-white-male. They confirmed that there was no behaviour at issue. I was walked out that day. Edit: I encourage everyone to look at the replies and responses of a particular person to this thread. They’re demonstrating the very type of thinking (cognitive distortions) that’s behind what I was describing. I could go on about projection, emotional reasoning, jumping to conclusions, etc. suggest use it for self-educational purposes ✌️😊
That's a cut-and-dry lawsuit
@@paulmryglod4802 And if Stukkeman was a girl, or better yet, identified as a girl, I'm sure he'd (they'd?) sue and win. Being a straight white male, I'm not so sure.
It appears to be open season on white male anglophone workers. How is the job hunt going? Didi you have to take a pay-cut to regain employment? Hope the reference was good or at least not harmful.
Equality of access huh. Sounds like you get what you fn deserve. Be aware of what waters you swim in next time.
Sounds more like a problem with your attitude. HR does not do what you describe, there is a big chunk of the story you are leaving out IMO.
I was told by my HR manager that there is no longer any such thing as free speech. She used to work for the NBA where they notoriously demanded players stand against Hong Kong freedom. We're no longer allowed to refer to people as he or she. I objected to the emasculation of the men under me. We now have a supreme court justice who doesn't know what a woman is. If cavemen were that stupid we would be extinct. I object to the madness.
Well said.
You sound sexist! @@highcountrydelatite
That Supreme Court justice knows exactly what a woman is, she’s a woman she knows what she is. What she was demonstrating for the world to see by acting like she didn’t know what a woman was she was just doing what leftist do, lie.
I worked for a UK government organisation for twenty-five years and saw the rise of the HR cult. Frontline jobs were cut but the HR department continued to expand. The workforce soon learned that HR were there solely in the interests of management and rapidly distanced itself from matters relating to the rank and file. It was one hundred percent female with a head who was on £300K a year who nobody ever saw. They resided on a closed off floor only accessible by strict appointment. I saw it only once and it was far more comfortably appointed than the other work areas. HR are a modern curse.
And (at least) the last half of those 25 years the right wing Tory conservatives were in power, weren't they?
I worked with a vendor who said, "I don't know why it's called "Human Resources" when it's neither human nor a resource."
@@rsent4026 Because YOU'RE a human and a resource.
Never much gender diversity in these departments.
HR exists to protect the corporate body from any possible costly litigation, not the workers. Never talk to HR about ANYTHING (and especially don't complete their mind-probing surveys).
As a white male you will be considered an absolute last resort for promotion in a modern corporation.
And in the public service, fahgeddaboudit
Not where I work. Maybe you've not been promoted for other reasons?
@@petewalsh764 The commenter said nothing about their not receiving a promotion, but remarked on the general state of affairs. Perhaps you've been walking around with your eyelids stitched shut not to notice the overwhelming, and at times, undeserved, advantages proferred the subaltern in the name of equity. Hierarchy is alive and well, and straight white men are at the bottom.
@@willmercury nonsense. Seems you can't handle competition. For starters companies employ the person who'll make their company the most profit. You just don't like it if others are treated with the same respect as straight white men. The right-wing have brain-washed you into needing someone to look down upon. Whilst doing this they''ll make sure your wages and conditions worsen.
@@petewalsh764 they must be the correct sexuality then i.e. anything but straight
HR was invented because actual workers needed a challenge. Everything ran too smoothly before that department was invented.
Worked for a great, successful company for nine years and had no intention of leaving. Then came the new trans HR manager. Place became a nightmare and over 90 percent of the long term staff left within 18 months, including myself. A year later the company was no more.
A non existent diversity and inclusion corporation. At least they went down fighting for a cause 😂
The enforcer Clint Eastwood 76 , " you've been transferred to personnel " , " to personnel !! That's for assholes " , yep that just about sums them up .
MRS. GREY: His Honor intends to broaden the areas of participation for women in the police force. CALLAHAN: (sarcastic)Well that sounds very stylish. Harry Callahan called out this bulls**t 45 years ago.
@@doris.from.pinner what do you think this is some kind of encounter group? I want to know what ms Moore will do when a villain says HIT THE DECK YOU SON OF A BITCH!
@@doris.from.pinner Go ahead, make my day...
“Can anyone tell me what crime has been committed here , apart from cruelty to animals.“
@@jakebullet1731 " May I make a statement mackay , go ahead , your mouthwash ain't making it " .
It really says something when CEOs are more frightened of their HR departments than they are of losing money.
HR departments, to quote from E Powell, "have the whip hand" these days for sure. Astonishing really when you realise they're totally unproductive and consist almost entirely of thirty-something bints with degrees in stuff like Gender Studies and Political 'Science', with the odd gay bloke allowed in just to keep things 'diverse'.
FFS! Won’t some think of the poor CEOs!
Losing money only makes you lose _this_ job. Pissing off the woke beast can not only lose you this job, but make sure you're unhireable in the future.
@@boobah5643 excellent point. We need to grow a collective backbone and drive this crap out of our society.
that statment says it all.
In the US HR became the sole dominion of women by the early 1990’s when corporations staffed the department with women in order to virtue signal that they did not discriminate against women and “minorities” to satisfy Federal EEOC investigators and state employment law enforcement agencies while simultaneously filling hiring and promotion quotas. Double win for them. Now HR departments are comprise of 80% to 100% women. So much for diversity!
@@Aroseisarose15 I had similar experiences with multiple companies. One hired seasoned 40 something’s to prop up a late 20 something as their boss. Did not succeed. Yada. Yada! Yada! This nonsense negatively affects competent professionals, female or male, who must work around them. Sorry you had this experience. Industrial Relations it was known early on way a fascinating and value added and respected activity in the workplace. That ship sailed.
No different than education.
angry women at that lol.
For women the workplace has become unbearable when a dude in a dress goes home because of period pain and nobody says anything
hahahaha wait, you are serious??
@@darkobecker4534 Can't be real, surely.
Thats the most extreme and unlikely example ever.. I believe you are a woman now.
The 2004 movie, "Mean Girls", is the training video for the 'bizzaro-world' workplace. They call themselves woke, but they're really asleep at the wheel. They scream out for safe places, but they themselves are as toxic as hell. It goes on and on. I see people taking retirement early and when I ask why, its usually, "I'm sick of this sht".
@@luizdevil6855 you forgot to add "at the wheel"... or maybe you didn't?
I worked for 33 years in a career that I loved. I was a Sewer Worker which is a male dominated area.They hired a male hating female as the head of H.R. and she love showing her dominance over men. This and Woke H.R. became the reason for 95% of discourse in our work place. I ended up retiring for this reason.
19 sentences out of every 20 you spoke? You needed to get out more.
@@leftgrrl wtf does that mean....micro aggression shut up and let kev talk
@@leftgrrl Congrats on your math skills, but shame about your reading comprehension; he said "the reason for 95% of discourse" not "literally 95% of the sentences spoken."
@@leftgrrl Woke HR minion has identified itself
Indeed. There is only so much "excrement" one can endure. Even people skilled at handling excrement, have limits....
I learned my lesson at work, never talk with a woman unless there is a witness. Never ask a woman to go for coffee together. Then HR opened a sexual harassment office. Then it expanded. I skipped on all office parties and get togethers.
Am I being paid to attend the company picnic? No. Can I get fired for my actions at the picnic? Yes. Result: Don't attend the company picnic.
As soon as you call a worker a "human ressource", you are a criminal. Period.
In 1976 I received a call from Canada's 2nd biggest media firm-- CFTO (now CTV) from the HR department regarding a job in the audio department. The (always female) representative complimented me on my resume, specifically the self improvement and knowledge I had gained through my own initiative as there were almost no resources on the subject back then. She then proceeded to tell me that she was going to be giving the job to a less qualified female (her exact words) to give her a 'chance' she would never had. Excuse me, but I made my own opportunity. I gained knowledge through my own initiative. YOU SAID SO YOURSELF.
Proof of how little work they actually have to do, and how little respect they have for anyone else's time, that she called you for that. I know it's not the point you were making, but it just shows something else about how fucked up they are.
Insane
That is currently illegal.
@@rich7447 No, it's perfectly legal to discriminate based on someone's sex/gender if your company adopts "diversity/quota" hires. Especially in the HR itself, which is mostly females. (this is prevalent in the most progressive western countries).
Whamin aren't smart enough nor do they have enough personal integrity to accept and understand your point here. They should never be put in charge of anything. When they burn the first world to the ground they will look at the men like an enraged toddler looks at her parent when her toy breaks and scream, "Why did you let this happen!?"
Last year i quit my job at the university and went to work on the building site! I’ve never been happier and I now work amongst normal people and we just turn up, do our jobs, then we go home and it is utter bliss
That's a stay of execution. Not an acquittal. Woke HR is coming.
By normal people you mean men lol
Agree. I applied for a position as a unit manager, RN at a facility in Michigan. When, during the interview, the question was raised about my attendance in previous jobs was asked, I replied the fact that I have worked years without any call offs or late arrivals on my shifts and expect my staff to abide by the same. The response was jaw dropping. They stated “ We cannot offer you the position and the offer is no longer on the table because the CNA staff cannot be held accountable because not arriving on time or not showing up is a cultural aspect of the staff and attendance cannot be enforced “ MIND BLOWN 🤯! Now this entitled mind set is pervasive throughout every Nursing facility in Michigan. Employees stroll in late and leave early almost daily because as they say, “ I ain’t got time for all dat”
@johnberry2877 I don't mind if employees stroll in late as long as they stroll out late as well
Should just re-write the schedule to reflect the time that they normally show up & go home: Also, make sure to pay them hourly.
Is this in Georgia? I work for one of the largest insurers in the US, and our Georgia office people don't come into work on time and the company doesn't do anything about it because "It's their culture."
@@KK-eg3em ...Really, I think it depends on what job & industry we're talking about: If you're just a "paper pusher" or doing creative arts, like writing code, then it really shouldn't matter _when_ you show up, as long as you're covering the responsibilities of your project(s). On the other hand, someone cannot leave (their shift) because you're late, then _THAT_ is a problem.
All this stuff coincided with the empowerment of women in the workplace. I honestly think a lot of this is just the greater female tendency toward passive aggression and emotional sensitivity. In a male workplace jokes are not “micro aggressions” they have a social function. Add “diversity” to that and hurty feelings can become a political tool to destroy one’s ethnic and ideological enemies
Say it louder 🔊
When I first entered the workforce about thirty five years ago, I was told that organizations hid their worst employees - their most incompetent and least useful and most unproductive members of the organization - in HR and procurement. Thirty five years on, that is no longer true for procurement - but is triply true for HR. I think I have encountered maybe a half dozen HR employees in my near four decade work life that didn't truly suck. They NEVER add value to the organization, never do anything but get in the way and demoralize good employees in the interest of making the worst employees and biggest problem children in the organization feel better about themselves. HR is truly the deeply destructive black hole of every organization I know of.
I had a mean (I know. I know people say this about their bosses.) supervisor who almost mad me minecraft myself. She delighted in it. She always said if it bothers you tell me. Which is a trap. It made people's lives miserable. You couldn't even talk to the division head or hr, since the same thing would happen. She was a part of the privileged lgbt; the business knew what was happening. They were afraid to fire her. So, she got away with murder.
Soooo well put, and so true also .
HR is a very expensive alternative to mental institutions
As economic crisis hits, talk to the CFO and remind that HR is overhead, a great place to cut corners. Return the favor.
Working in a medical research facility where scarce funding is wasted on art works, ceremonies and worthless but expensive 'cultural sensitivity' courses, I can totally agree with with this lady. We know that left-wing activists have never been able to sell their message directly, so they infest anything that is popular, respected and successful like charities, sporting organisations, the media (well, initially they were respected!), volunteer groups, churches etc. The workplace is just the latest vehicle by which they wield influence. Her point about CEOs being scared of their own HR (or 'People and Culture') department is bang on. They get a foothold in and before you know it, the department has grown from one person to 6 in about 2 years and suddenly you are required to attend training courses warning that conventional conservative attitudes will now constitute 'hate speech' and dismissal could be the result. I'm so glad I'll be retiring soon but I pity the employees of the coming years.
I've heard that the radical ideologists rarely aim for the top tier jobs in any organization. They tend to aim for the mid level bureaucracy positions where the power is seen to be subtle, but tends to be more powerful. Since the positions tend to be somewhat stable and influential, they are largely the ones wreaking the havoc.
I'm counting the months when I can retire (still too many)
@@lesfox2010 more like they wish they had the top seat, but often they go still much further than people who just finished their education parroting whatever the teacher told them to parrot could reasonable hope to achieve.
I do think artwork is very important. In medicine a pleasing enviroment can help tremendously.
'People and Culture' LMFRWAO!, seeing that opened a memory synapse, in my last ever job within a multi-person workplace in Local Government, just before I left to work for myself based from my home in 2012, they changed the name of the HR Department to 'People and Places'. I remember laughing openly at that nonsensical stupidity during an interdepartmental meeting but coming from the private building industry only a year or so earlier I wasn't sufficiently initiated (institutionalised?) to read the total silence with which my derisive laughter was met. The Public Service just wasn't for me after decades working solely within industries where the only thing which ever mattered was meeting deadlines with a quality finished product. Any workplace which has the time to engage in all of this woke sjw crap is overstaffed and under occupied in performing their primary function, like all forms of Government.
The current HR people remind me of political police in Nazi Germany, Communist Russia and China, and some of the Islamic states. This policing of not actions but words and thoughts or feelings is truly sickening. I don't think it takes an adult to realize that to continually ask a person for a date and be refused equally continually is unacceptable in a workplace. When I started working they just said with regard to your coworkers be professional. I'm at work and so we can relate to both people we like and dislike by keeping the conversations professional and work related. The simplest rule is don't fish on the company pier. Its easier for the company and the employees. This current HR policing is worse than anything including embezzling. Its become a separate force that can order punishments for even the slightest thing. I know of a case in ON where a supervisor was forbidden from saying "good morning" to a particular employee because it was seen as offensive. We had a division in our Ministry that looked into complaints that very quickly became labeled as the Gestapo, and the Ironic thing was that at the end of three years, the division with the most complaints was that one. The final straw for me was a code of conduct that stated if three employees are in the same place work harassment policy is in effect even off duty. I asked and was told that if I invited a couple of fellow employees to my place for a BBQ, an employee could file a harassment complaint on being excluded and they would win. If a friend and I attended a sports event in a crowd of 70000, and another employee unnoticed by us objected to anything either of us said that was a violation. The worse part was that if someone complained you wouldn't be told who made the complaint nor the actual offence, just that you had violated the policy. Again I reminded me of reading about the midnight appearance of the political police the charges that were not allowed any due process, and just punished. HR should be put back in their box where they belong. Before these sick policies there were employees like myself that would step in and say enough, no more and that would be that for bad behaviour. In one instance of sexual harassment we made the guy ask for a transfer, so it was effective. Self policing is yes a big responsibility, and it requires one to pay attention to things, but you know being someone that people would come to for help is actually very reassuring.
Karen finally figured out that the best way to get what she wants is to BECOME the manager. The best people to be in charge of managing other people are people who don't want to manage other people, but do it only because they know it's necessary. Someone who WANTS to be in charge right off, someone who goes and gets a degree explicitly for the purpose of getting a job where they dictate to others, should be immediately disqualified from ever getting that job.
Same with political science students
One thing ive learned is that HR is never your friend. They are not there to help you, they exist only to make sure the company isnt sued.
Correct. You can never take up a bad coworker with them because you instead become the bad guy
Not even that. The company thinks they exist to avoid lawsuits. In reality they're there to drive political ideology.
HR is not about managing resources, it is about managing assets of the company, for profit. (modern HR principle)
Fully agree. I worked for a very large international oil company for 30 years when I was in conflict with a manager (not my direct manager) not being a technical expert who insisted that I made a technical design that I as technical expert considered as very dangerous and risky. I resisted and called for two more meetings with collegues with practical experience but the line manager insisted that I made a design against my will. That manager made that I got a negative staff report which I did not accept . I went to the HR department and said that I wanted to speak about a possible leave with a severance package because of a conflict but insisted our discussion would be strictly private and confidential. The next morning my direct boss told me that the HR had contacted him and told about my visit ..... This is a bloody shame. People should be told in advance that HR works exclusively for the company and that HR can not be trusted.
As manager, I fing despise HR. Every company I've been in, they've been overpaid, always offloading their responsibilities on to the business, creating "busy work", providing zero support for managers handling difficult staff. When the downturns come, its amazing how you can shed a truckload of these parasites and the business doesn't even notice they've gone. Except as a manager, you have more time on your hands to make the business money...
In theory, like 1 HR person should be a help for like 10 managers. Instead you have 1 HR person-per-manager dumping problems on his desk...
They’re only there so the company doesn’t get sued
Sounds like any company I've worked for.
HR is a collection of Karen types who spend their time doing busywork and undermining the company. These days, they are focused on hiring dead weight that fits certain political goals rather than qualified candidates. Not enough female engineers? It couldn't possibly have anything to do with having very few women getting degrees in engineering. Best to hire some unqualified women and put them in roles they could never do.
HR is overhead. When crisis hits, CFOs realize they have a place to cut corners. And if they do not see it, you can tell them. A big crisis will hit soon, and it is going to be a long one. You will have a chance to return the favor, via as many CFOs you can talk.
Someone I know said his corporation’s widely despised HR chief hassled and fired many employees often without much cause. She died young and a number of non-HR current and former employees went to dinner with the stated aim of “celebrating” her memory. Several former employees whom she fired got very drunk during the dinner as it seems they were so distraught by her passing!
I hope it was the clot shot that got her.
Nothing of value was lost
My employer would rather "celebrate" my sexuality than praise the hard work I do every day. I'm sick of it.
Oh Lord, 100% this. Like, all you have to do, is just not discriminate in your hiring decisions against gay people, but spare me this thing you think is “allyship” which is so cringe. I’m not out here trying to get up in my straight colleague’s grill about pronouns or whatever. I’m just here to do work that hopefully I have the privilege of caring about and taking pride in. It’s the pride in the work I do that I care about, not that you “affirm” my orientation or identity every 5 bloody seconds. It’s so lame.
It's a very scary thought that HR departments tend to become the local corporate INGSOC branch.
feminism and wokeism is nothing but the new communism.
1984 and the Marxist agenda, yup, good observation 👍
You mean the THOUGHT POLICE!
Right speech = double+ good
My boss (Bob) asked the woman (Anne) on the desk nexk to him if she'd had a good weekend. She told HR that she was being sexually harassed, they took it seriously and went nuclear. Now, NOBODY talks to Anne. HR got involved again, and were told in no uncertain terms that the situation was entirely their fault. Then Anne complained about me, because I wouldn't do part of her job for her, suddenly, according to HR lady I was a huge misogynist and I was guilty. However, I had a video of the entire conversation. So Anne complained again that she felt unsafe, and this time I was guilty of gross misconduct and told I would be fired for secretly filming Anne without her knowledge or permission. So I asked for a meeting with HR lady and her boss and my legal advisor. After showing them the video of nothing happening to Anne, I was asked what right I had to film a woman without her permission, at which point I pointed to a spot on the screen behind Anne where there was a big yellow sign on the wall of the meeting room, warning people that they were being recorded by cctv, which was the very reason I had chosen that meeting room. Today; Anne still has her job. Bob has been given a written warning and never talks to Anne. Anne is complaining that the men in her office are creating a hostile work environment and babbling about toxic masculinity. I have been given written warnings for exposing Anne and HR, however, because of their own policies I have been able to force them to write down precisely what the warning is for, which makes them look really bad every time a manager reads it in my monthly reviews, which they almost never fail to do. HR have a new rule in place designed to discourage people from involving legal advisors in disputes with HR, which of course has lead to more people doing exactly that and the firm getting not just sued but thoroughly spanked in court over a simple issue. But we do have a woman's group and there are Pride flags and posters in the engineering workshop even though the engineering department officially doesn't care, not joking, they really did tell HR that nobody cares who sleeps with whom as it has nothing to do with work, (good for them).
Soft-handers are nowt but yapping trouble. Hard-handers are practical..
This surprises me. Something similar happened to me, and I was fired for using the offensive word "boyfriend." Every HR department I've encountered has dictatorial power.
I had a coworker make a false accusation on me over 20 years ago. She had led me on and was angry that I wasn't sufficiently devastated, so she painted me as a stalker in a bid to get me fired. Basically the entire office knew the truth and defended me. She faced no consequences whatsoever and soon went on to falsely accuse multiple others. This has been going on for a long time.
@@palaceofwisdom9448 And nobody's put a stop to it because of the "believe all women" bullshit.
@@billusher2265 Because HR believes all women but disbelieves all men.
I have never trusted the HR department at any company I have worked and I never will. They have too much power and often misuse it.
Ive left three employers as they presented the WOKE sociopolitical ideology at work., and each time went to their competition. Now my talents are with a firm that does not involve in such ideology.
I'm a senior HR exec in one of the UKs largest companies. I have been fighting a rear guard action against the culture of woke for many years now. I think we are at the turning point or not far from it. HR is there to support the business.. it is not there to bully, Hector or politicise its employees, customers or colleagues.
It should also not be a Trojan horse for socialism.
Hr supports the management regardless of how they behave.
@@oldskoolordie not necessarily. It's meant to protect the company within the bounds of employment law. What's amazing at the moment is HR departments imposing politics and ideology on employees and management which is so often illegal. This means HR are not acting in the knterest of the company because they leave the company open to legal action and bad headlines. What is concerning is that there's a certain attitude in some organisations by 'elite' types that they don't care what thd law is, they believe the law is wrong and they have a moral obligation to break it. Hence the BBC recruits on race even though they know it is illegal to do so. In fact they are on record saying ' we know its illegal but we think thd law is wrong and we are morally right therefore we will break the law' We see this attitude all over the left. Their sense of moral superiority is nauseating and fortunately, we still have laws they must obey.
@@HarryFlashmanVC Factor in selective enforcement of labour law, the prohibitively high cost of litigation and injustices multiply. As Montaigne wrote long ago: "Wherever peccadillos are treated as crimes, crimes are treated as peccadillos."
Richard, I worked for a very large corporation for 14 years. I saw a complete sea change in company culture. When restructures were made or costs cut during the pandemic it seemed to be only middle-aged white men losing their jobs. I think the situation is getting worse but well done for keeping up the fight.
This happens every time bottom feeders (such as HR) are given an inordinate amount of power.
Worst people in most companies are concentrated in HR. And most of them are leftist harpies of the Jacobin Left. Simply evil.
"Competence is Irrelevant, Bullshit is everything" yes that's an actual quote !
Same as in the concentration camps. They were run by stupid people, but oh did they like the power and power they had.
HR really seems more powerful than it should be. They definitely believe it’s their job to enforce a certain culture and mindset for all employees not just while they are at work, but also when they are outside of work, going so far as to monitor employee’s social media and requiring them to dress and act a certain way while in public. I also noticed that in many companies they alone determine salary ranges. I’ve been involved in salary negotiations where the SVP of the division couldn’t even approve a salary adjustment outside of the HR specified range. Also, when HR wants someone gone, they will make it happen, even if that someone is a friend of the CEO or extremely vital to the company.
One of my sons has been HR'd out of any relationships at work. Male or female. He goes in, does his job, only talks to people about work, and then goes home. He saw a fellow employee get canned for making a complimentary statement about a female co-workers haircut. My boy won't partake of any work related events. Even the Christmas party is a no go. He says he likes his job and won't risk a trip to the HR for any misunderstood phrase or even a misconstrued look.
I work for a company out of Atlanta, GA that issues credit cards to large organizations for their fuel purchases. The head of the HR Department and her staff initially were sending out BLM (black lives matter) internal 'flyers' via email promoting the organization of BLM. That slowed down when it became known that BLM was a Socialist organization. This year then sent an offer to buy everyone a PRIDE T-shirt, and sent a flyer the month before and throughout the month of June for PRIDE month, and went so far as to SAY "we encourage you to support and participate in your local PRIDE events." They have even gone so far as to create several "networking at work" groups: LGBTQ group, Women's group, and Black/Ethnic groups. You tell me what's missing from those? I don't care what you do behind doors, but I'm not going to go along with a celebration of your sexual choices.
I would accept the offer of a t shirt, then use it to clean the floor and send them a photo of it.
My nervousness about this is what happens when the inevitable backlash occurs in general society and all the people of different sexual orientations have come out (revealed themselves) to that general society?? Who will be around to protect people who have "come out" in the mistaken belief that politicians and people in power will protect them? You can bet that the politicians will run a mile at the first hint of a reversal of opinion in the fickle public.
@@jimsimpson1006 Or use it at the bottom of a birdcage.
@@jgdooley2003 Protect them from who? Don't tell me you've bought their bullshit that the majority of the public wants to murder them all and are only being restrained by brave Social Justice Warriors like themselves; this isn't fucking Saudi Arabia.
White straight married males. It is open season on them and has been for decades. Worse for single men who are at the back of the queue regarding employment protection and workers rights.
And in the end there is nobody to do the work.
The one thing I used to like about work you were treated like an Adult and I was able to leave the toxic school play ground culture behind, but now I feel that we have brought it into our work culture and it is driving me nuts. 😵
I agree. Now it's just everywhere, not just in work.
That's exactly it. And they're so mealy-mouthed. I wonder if you hey believe the BS they spout sometimes.
This started with the idea of at least half of all kids needing to go to university, that in turn led to all manner of useless courses to draw in more money no matter how useless the degree, from there to lots of people having useless 'social studies' degrees that looked good to employers at the time. From that point the new hires in HR with the useless degrees also employed more people with useless degrees and tried to implement the idiotic and divisive ideas they had learned in their useless university courses. By this point HR had taken over almost all hiring and firing at the ground floor level, thus ensuring only likeminded people were employed, and removing anyone who tried to point out where they were wrong.
She's absolutely correct, except for one thing: This is absolutely an intentional outcome. The Post-modernists discussed how they would undermine Western culture extensively, and we are seeing their plans manifesting almost on cue.
Welcome to Marxists. Gotta follow Mao's example and get rid of the 4 holds: Old Ideas, Old Culture, Old Customs, and Old Habits. They key is you have to exterminate those that follow the 'old ways'. The camps are coming, they will not stop, they never have been stopped, and you will be killed or imprisoned if you dare stand in their way. They butchered over 300 million people in less than 60 years. Not once has their regimes risen without slaughtering large swaths of their own populations. But this time, THIS TIME, they'll get it right... it's just you who are getting in the way... Let go of the past, kill it if you have to... the problem is, you are the past and they'll kill you if they have to. Society certainly learned nothing from the rise of Nazi Germany. Nothing from Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, Jong Un, Franco, Che... Think you would ever see an actual "Re-education Camps" in the free world? Now you have them. Then comes the ghettos to segregate the 'deplorables', then when they realize they can't fix those non-compliant folk they need to figure out a 'final solution to the problem'.
This is vitally important to recognize. These ideas come from somewhere - HR as an academic major has been a crime against business; 9/10 of the cancerous HR departments are a direct product of postmodernist higher indoctrination as graduates of these programs join the workforce and spread their spores. The other 10th is an indirect product... the result of legal and regulatory requirements (on pain of bureaucratically-administered punishment) that companies essentially manage their people through a postmodern lens. Add the litigious bent in the employees that see an advantage in leaning into their postmodern "rights" to get XYZ out of their employer (else, "oppression!!"), and the whole situation can only be expected.
Been telling people that for 20 years. They still think it's a wacko nut theory and it couldn't happen. Fun isn't it?
You guys making me wonder: " _Why isn't there a LEGAL Department in charge of protecting the company & complying with Government Regulations_ ???"
@@nikolaikalashnikov4253 There is at most large companies. You have the GC (General Council) and the law Managers. Then it usually gets broken up into Compliance, IP, Contracts, etc. The problem is that it will be the law department that will tell you "It's cheaper to break the law and pay the fine then comply with the law". There is a reason Risk department staff have 'stress'.
I have been working for 42 years in the old days we have personnel who were not too bad, HR started to creep in in the late 80s early 90s I suffer with an incidence of bullying in 2014, I had had three family bereavements in succession over a 6-week period, I was in my last month at work waiting to be made redundant along with all my colleagues plant was shutting down, which was upsetting one day somebody roared at me for nothing and I snapped and had a bit of a meltdown if you like, I was carted off to HR along with the occupational health nurse HR were bullying me and the nurse had to intervene, telephone my GP and put me in a taxi when my GP saw me he said I am surprised you can even get out of bed after losing a brother and a cousin and an uncle very recently, psychopath HR 💩💩💩
You sound genuine, but you must surely realise there are many many people out there who are really taking the pi$$ when it comes to sickness absence, usually for 'stress' or 'mental health issues'. It's now endemic in the NHS and local government and, I have to say, it's the 'vibrant' people who are the worst offenders I've found.
@@nickmiller76 yes you are right there are loads of malingerers, to be honest after my experience with the bereavement I could have just stayed off until I was made redundant but because I cared about my job even though I was going to lose it I still went to work and got no thanks for it, I will be glad when I retire in 8 years time if I live that long I have had enough, I just keep my head down now wherever I go to work and get on with it and go home at the end of the day
Psychopaths is exactly the right word very often.
I just got another job and taunted and hounded HR just like they did to me as I worked my notice. Those people are evil cowards. The problem is that they create so many enemies for themselves within their current company and in other companies where slighted employees move to that HR get ousted as people remember them and how they were treated by them.
This is the first and ONLY interview I have heard on this subject that so succinctly describes the phenomena. I love The New Culture Forum. Such a fantastic channel.
The great irony is that by accepting all lifestyle choices as legitimate, corporate HR has eliminated the possibility of passing any moral judgements. Behavior in the workplace is neither right or wrong, but rather in or out of alignment with momentary cultural fashion. Like trying to keep the beach ball submerged, the self-contradictory nature of moral relativism keeps surfacing.
Okay, while I hate to defend them, you sound like you're saying if we went back to beating up gay people, it'd fix the problems. Besides, it's pretty clear they don't accept all lifestyle choices, like voting for Trump.
CONSENT IS INTERNATIONAL
The quality of guests on this programme never ceases to amaze me. Why on earth do we not have the same calibre of clear thinking, straight forward people in our parliament?
Deliberate the sensible one's can not get past the HR departments that vet all party candidate's nowadays. :(
Because the metric for politicians is not the same metric for intelligence. Politicians metric is to be re-elected, con the voters, then maybe go for legacy points. Oh and the donors.
Or even MSM?
Because the media is incredibly narrow - the consolidation over the past 20 years has reduced diversity of opinion. In Japan - where I reside - foreigners cannot own more than 1/3 of a media company. It is an important legal requirement that protects the national culture.
Listen to David Starkey at the SDP Conference - institutions should have NO MORAL COLOURS! None of their effing business what we do as private citizens…morality is something for us as individuals. I worry about the real rate of unemployment once these sacks o crack are fully exposed. A big recession will flush this excrement out.
This isn't exactly woke, but in 2021 an Hungarian women was made the head of HR where I work; within a YEAR, everyone working in HR were Hungarian women. Among the other company staff, the majority are now east Europeans. Some days I even hear English being spoken if it's really necessary.
In local government the same thing's happening, except it's the Friday prayers crowd staging the takeover.
weak to the point of extinction is where we're at. What you described is an example
This does seem to be a fine example of Marxist takeover. Exactly WOKE
no! its only men who "hire mates". (Research proves otherwise)
@@mh82100 - No one has ever let other people defeat them as easily as modern day westerners.
In 2020-21, my former employer nose-dived into wokeness. I eventually left, but as a survivor of the woke HR machine and the supervisors who support it, I offer this advice: Get screenshots of all e-mails, document everything, record all Zoom/Google meetings, record all conversations (state that you want to be sure to have an accurate record--"You understand, don't you?"), find out the relevant state statutes about discrimination and remind your HR department if necessary of them (this will give them a good scare), and invoke your membership in a protected group (religious affiliation is good) to both HR and your supervisor via company e-mail, so that there is a permanent record and no one can play dumb. These steps will not guarantee anything, but will give you both shield and sword in case of any further legal action--and your company will know it.
I remember one "party" at work many years ago, wherein a toast was brought out to celebrate the timely closure of an entire department - this was one week before Christmas. A well prepared operation had just robbed 30 people of their livelihood. I was shocked to see managers and HR people backslapping each other, big smiles and all. In many companies, loyalty is a one way street, and humans are a renewable resource.
That sounds very familiar I have seen that myself in companies over the years I have worked for, people who do things like that like the rest of us one day all going to die and I'm pretty sure that they will be shown their life review and how many people they cause pain to and they will be forced to feel that pain and shame of what they did, that's why I've always turn down promotion I couldn't do it I have too much compassion for humanity
If the company didn't need them, then they were robbing the company for their livelihood.
"humans are an expendable resource." There, fixed it for ya.
What an amazing discussion. No shouting, interrupting or talking over each other, so rare to see nowadays.
That's because it's not a debate. It's two people who agree with one another.
Just what I was going to say.
Which is why I don't watch the news or 'magazine' shows - hosts with set agendas who are told to cut someone off if they go "off-message"
@@fermisurface2616 Nah, with sensible civil people you get disagreements where people talk the same. It's a shame that disagreements being littered with arguing, rhetoric and fallacies is so often displayed as being normal... well I suppose in a way it is, unfortunately.
On tv but surely easier to find on youtube
Lets not forget that back in 2017 Larry Fink told us this would happen - "behaviour needs to be controlled!" Get your pitchforks, people...
What a marvellous, proper, professional and thought-provoking interview. Well done.
One of my friends works for English Heritage and this conversation is incredibly relevant regarding how the HR is promoting wokeness there. Apparently the HR there is "encouraging" managers to hire certain types of people which only helps the organisation to prevent backlash. I heard that his impacts the quality of work in departments, things getting very sensitive and many women openly being racist and sexist without consequences (comments like white male this and that).
@William Tell Either don't vote... or vote for the side that IS NOT trying to turn the nation into a communist sh!thole toilet.
@@whatsMyNameAgainAgain they haven't been "pushed" into that behavior, it's how they are by nature. Woke movement has simply enabled them to manifest it freely and without repercussions. it's OK to be a conservative.
So pleased you covered this, it's an absolute nightmare where I work.
feminism and wokeism is nothing but the new communism.
This is straight from a Soviet Commissar playbook. The intention is to destroy everyone who doesn't falls in line.
ding ding, winner
One rule to follow when dealing with HR is NEVER trust them.
Personnel Departments renamed Human Resource Departments, was the real beginning of woke in the workplace, because the very term Human Resource identifies people as things. I always though it derogatory from the get go.
likewise...
Me too (Ich auch)
@@taralee7076 Touché...
Moi aussi!
@@lordchickenhawk The HR is an American import - the yanks used it in the U.K from the 2000s they would take over firms , then bring in the HR rules so they could get rid of , ppl, that stepped out of line , for mundane things - Why cause the take over of British firms , was not for British workers. It was for the yanks to close the firms - move the company overseas , to generate better returns for the share holders that are mostly YANKS
I want to point out that HR has a very high percentile of female workers. This has a direct bearing on the willingness to react emotionally and flout the law.
You hadn't seen the insidef a fucking office for 40 fucking years you really are stretching this fascist shite
As a woman, I agree. Also, they don't take bullying accusations seriously when a woman (me) is accusing another woman, they act like it's some kind of cat fight instead of a grievance.
And an effect upon progressively hiring more and more women, and getting rid of more and more men with every restructure. Funny thing too about restructures - HR department runs it all, proves their need to exist, and always gets off most lightly wrt redundancies. Meanwhile the normal workers are penalised due to a reduction in productivity - wonder what could have been the source of that.
And it’s been proven that they display an overwhelmingly ingroup preference when hiring. Funny how it’s these kind of people who remind us to check our privilege
They also managed to get paid ridiculously for their negative impact on productivity and performance of companies
My first fiancee had an HR position while we were in college. It's easy to see how this happened, these professions appeal to gossip girls . Your HR director was likely the cause behind a less popular kid's bad experience of High School 10 years earlier. People don't change.
HR: The woke government wing of your business. Musk was right to sack the lot of his DEI personnel.
Every single internal questionnaire, survey and poll is a covert version of Adornos F scale test.
@@wolfiestreet6899 I am going to look this up. Edit, wow, the mental gymnastics behind it completely ignore the fact that Nazis, Fascists and Communists are part of the same triangle and the left rigid enforcement or denial of its ideology.
feminism and wokeism is nothing but the new communism.
Spot on
A government wing, oi? Must be right wing then.
HR dept , they are like the Political Officers in institutions in the former Soviet era .
Exactly so!
Hadn't thought about that but damn, it's a good comparison
More like the NSFO of the Nazi Party!
@@pekkarousu3616 that is exactly what they are. All W__e crap finds its source in Marxist theory.
Like the Stasi in Eastern Germany.
Great interview Peter. How refreshing to hear from such a committed journalist.
HR departments have to be reformed urgently.
Abolished I would say
"Reformed" into non-existence like public healthcare, the welfare state and effective border control ....
What we need is for companies to adopt the Elon Musk method of dealing with HR. He sacked them all.
I didn't know that. He does have some interesting aspects to his practices.
@@Buster_Piles The HR is an American import - the yanks used it in the U.K from the 2000s they would take over firms , then bring in the HR rules so they could get rid of , ppl, that stepped out of line , for mundane things - Why cause the take over of British firms , was not for British workers. It was for the yanks to close the firms - move the company overseas , to generate better returns for the share holders that are mostly YANKS
Never been quite sure about Musk, but if he DID sack his HR staff then at least he can't be all bad.
Dominic Cummings also sacked as much of government department HR as he could, about 3/4 of them.
A con artist shouldn't set any examples. Fuck Musk!
If you are in disciplines like engineering you really need to find ways to bypass HR when hiring new people these days. If you get CVs though HR most of the good candidates will have been weeded out before you see them.
The case 30yrs ago. Advert, call up. Speak to HR. Ask them some technical questions and they would pass you on the the person who would be your Boss.
@@haizee2330 Sounds brutal.
Bingo, That was my experience too.
How do you know the good ones were weeded out, if you didn't get to see them? To my understanding there's such a shortage of capable and qualified technical workers that it's sheer impossible finding any such person for the job.
@@BorisNoiseChannel I did get to see the rejectef people on several occasions, after rejecting all the no hopers HR passed through to us. Among the rejected people there were frequently excellent candidates passed over for reasons nobody in HR would elucidate. Good people are always available. The only questions are whether you can find them, and whether you can offer them something that will attract and keep them.
I am very happy to be retired and not dealing with this nonsense. I spent 16 years with a very large corporation. I wasn't ignorant of the fact there there was a great deal of discrimination in hiring. I could look at the company magazine which was published quarterly. When you came to the section where people where service anniversaries were recognized. The company had over a million employees and turnover was very low. Most of us started after high school graduation and retired at 65. The company had respect for its employees and made a great effort to provide a peaceful workplace and people were glad to stay. The pay and benefits were generous. The magazine: looking at the photographs you could see the discrimination. Upper management was all White men with university degrees. Janitorial was almost all Black. Warehouse was more of a mix. All traffic department and clerical people were White women. Outside Plant and Technical Services employees dealing face to face with the public were White men. Outside Plant and Technical were the highest paid non-management employees as were their supervisors. This started to change in the early 1970s. The company had applied for a tariff increase to the Federal Communications Commission. The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission fought against the request demanding that the company open all of its jobs to all employees and new hires regardless of race or gender. The company had no choice but to comply. Its profitability was at stake. Slowly changes came about. It was rough at times. Sometimes people were encouraged to change jobs who were unqualified for the new job. One of our buildings was mostly staffed with women. There was one small male restroom on every other floor but two large ones for females on every floor. This was an old building. Each female restroom had an anteroom with fainting couches. We were in the South. Many customers wouldn't let Black technicians in their homes or made them use the back door, especially in the wealthier neighborhoods. Think of the movie, "Driving Miss Daisy"? Most of the employees were decent people who knew how to get along with other. Many of us were military veterans who had already learned to see others as mission partners. Some people disliked all the seminars on working with others unlike themselves. I can't imagine what it must be like now except to think that people must be walking on eggs, afraid to say or do anything that might offend someone. I missed the transition because I was laid off in 1985 and was self employed for the next 32 years. I no longer wished to work for others because I could see ahead and just knew the atmosphere for a decent workplace was going to change drastically and I didn't want any part of it.
This is soooo accurate! My work (nhs) has done the exact thing she says in ever level. There’s a black & ethnic race network that do events on how to “appreciate & show representation” for us white racist’s lol & an LGBT network which is basically pushing transgender ideaology in regards to using the bathrooms, wards on hospitals & pronouns. But it’s not just those issues or things these HR people are doing - it’s other areas whereby every “discrepancy” of life (parents vs. Childless, young vs old, managers vs minions) needs a meeting, a network, a conference which all lead to the unfairness across the board.
And a lot of wasted money!
A lot of racism exists still and likely always will, and so will always be a major issue.
@@tariqjoseph3562 this is making people racist, I've never been racist but I'm so sick of all media TV channels pushing black men and white woman down our throats, it's madness it's sick disgusting.
@@TPT6148 A bold claim, but do you have unbiased evidence. Its a fact of life that there is and always will be differences between people, cultural, political, philosophical or even just plain predujice and ignorance. Accept it and manage it, it does not need an elaborate and artificial support structure of self help groups and awareness training, just a simple straightforward and enforceable code of decent respectable enlightened human conduct.
@@BobSmith-cl6rg At least you admit you’re a racist 🤣😂🤡
She is so right,, I am retired from corporate management and the term HR is like saying the SS. They are really out of control, and it got to the point where you couldn't sit a poor preforming employee down and tell them they weren't doing their job. In fact a manager could put their own job at risk by doing so. It's really ashamed what this new HR has done to the work environment. I'm just glad I don't have to play their stupid game anymore.
But that's the real problem HR. All the so-called "woke" stuff of calling people by the right name, not using swearwords at co-workers etc we need. The way people who won't lift a finger go unchallenged in parts of large organisations gets lumped in with that ruins what could be a useful conversation.
@@leftgrrl Those are not conversations that ever required an HR department.
Our HR is there to discipline people, everything goes straight to Gross Misconduct.....sack people.....oh and get prime, well paid jobs for family members. All without a HR qualification between them!
In a feat of poetic irony, HR have become the very prejudicial bullies they seek to annihilate.
every person I have interacted with in HR over the past ten years has been a complete bastard
From the comments here, it sounds like returning HR departments to personnel roles would not only boost productivity but also improve the mental health of the workforce.
None of that is on the agenda. Destroying productivity and morality is.
The fastest way to get fired or black balled from getting promoted is complaining to HR.
In 2022, in a forum on my work, I respectfully pointed out that I don't need diversity /inclusivity when I start a business. I stated that what's needed are: - qualified personel - motivated people - honest workers. I nearly lost my job...
Blastfamy has never been tolerated in 🇺🇲 IME 😢😢😂
Absolutely spot on description of everything that's wrong with the corporate world. A perfect summary of where I work.
This is clearly related to the Environmental, Social, and Corporate Governance (ESG) and Equity, Diversity and Inclusion (EDI) political agendas: *"Environmental, social, and corporate governance (ESG) is an approach to evaluating the extent to which a corporation works on behalf of social goals.... as a set of goals having to do with supporting certain social movements... .... In less than 20 years, the ESG movement has grown from a corporate social responsibility initiative launched by the United Nations into a global phenomenon representing more than US$30 trillion in assets under management. In the year 2019 alone, capital totaling US$17.67 billion flowed into ESG-linked products, an almost 525 percent increase from 2015..."* This was why ultra-powerful and ultra-wealthy transnational corporations (some which sell weapons and are involved in slavery) supported Black Lives Matter. Basically, unelected pressure groups (such as Stonewall and those those groups, lawyers and academics trained in Critical Theory) are imposing their will on councils, corporations/ businesses , politicians, journalists, the police, universities, etc.
I retired after 25 years of military service. But I ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to work in any management position because of this garbage. Until the civilian employers get their heads out of their behinds, they're going to lose all the more experience like mine. It's not worth the risk.
I was a lawyer in a government department. The HR department was a nightmare. I quit in the end.
This is so amazingly true. HR used to provide essential services. Now, at least in the US, they are full of people with high-falutin' titles who do nothing but create divisions. They decide what "tribes" exist and they encourage us to report members of the out groups to "rat" on each other or call people out during meetings for supposed infractions. Meetings, encounters, and generally all communications have become sterile and emotionless. There is NO trust between managers and workers and between workers. Having worked for large companies for over 35 years I've seen this transition mostly in the last 5 years and it is OBVIOUS. People who inhabit bodies that look like mine are discouraged, maligned, and unfairly characterized as the root of all evils in society. There is a huge brain drain happening at our tech company as 100s of highly knowledgeable, experienced people leave for companies with less-adversarial relationships with certain groups of employees. I know dozens more that are looking. They are being replaced by minimally experienced workers who spend half their time doing "tribal club" activities and celebrating various groups and activities that have nothing to do with work. Good luck with that!
That's why they like woke stuff: they use it to divide and conquer, to avoid workplaces unionising.
Professor Cary Cooper, Organisational Psychologist, has shown - some years ago - that Organisations which have HR people on the Board are less profitable and have a greater turnover of staff.
That's refreshing to hear. Of course, correlation/causation.
That’s why the nhs has turned to 💩
This looks interesting. I have a friend in corporate HR whose job and personal values have changed out of all recognition in the last 10 years. It really scares me.
It's worse in the public sector. The MOD is much more woke than any private company I've worked.
In the Soviet union party agents promoted an ideological dimension on every factory floor. The factory managers were terrified of these people for the exact same reason CEO are terrified of the diversity and inclusion manager.
You're right. These are the commisars of the ideological degenerates.
And she claims there's no conspiracy to do the same in HR today....
feminism and wokeism is nothing but the new communism.
@@wolfiestreet6899 well, for a conspiracy u need some organized group with a hidden agenda. And she rightly pointed out that this is not the case. What happens is actually much worse than a conspiracy. It is an unorganized automatism. Like a virus.
@@juanzulu1318 But it is the case. I agree with your latter point but there is plenty of evidence that there is a controlling centre in the ideology.
I’m 69 years old and work as an online delivery driver for a major supermarket. I’m in the process of handing in my resignation. The supermarket has such a woke policy that a white, male heterosexual is guilty of any complaint and never found innocent even when no wrongdoing had taken place. I asked a picker where a particular item was and another picker butted in and threatened to report me for ‘bothering’ the picker. I told the interrupter I didn’t give a shit and she reported me. Now the whole situation is in the company ‘process’.
@Nachos Andcheese White male heterosexual, he's got no chance at all with that set of characteristics. Once you're in 'the process' you're basically done for. They had a phrase for it where I worked: "Managing people out of the business", how sinister-sounding is that?
Excellent advice!
Consider filing an employment tribunal case. The application process is straight forward. You have clearly been subjected to harassment and elder abuse.
Disgusting. I’m an investment banker and I’m sick of these HR scabs too…the amount of time and money they are blowing on trivialities is disgraceful….these people are the thickest of the crop that’s why they get sent to HR…it’s like the remedial class for companies…I hope you come out of this stressful waste of time ok!
You should try working at a Housing Assc, any complaint you are wrong even when you are right !
Can you imagine being an employer trying to deal with this nonsense...
About 5 years ago i got a final written warning after no previous disciplinaries for a joke i made about reincarnation on social media whilst under an alias. Somehow someone from work figured out it was me, screenshotted it, then went to HR and tried to get me fired. It was a pretty lame and tame dad joke tbh but they made it out to be anti-Hindu even though I never mentioned Hinduism in the joke at all. It's been an ongoing issue for sometime.
What a superb interview. Thank you! I work for one of the largest UK private sector employers (with 20 million UK customers), and it's horrible. I am leaving shortly as the Diversity and Inclusion, Pride, chasing of utter non-issues and importing of race baiting activism from the US have driven me out. We actually had to invent scenarios for our "Let's talk about race" training as there weren't any. The hundreds of HR staff do nothing for us other than manage the 30 decrepit internal systems and workflows. In leaving, I am doubling my pay at the same time as saying goodbye to a toxic company whose top line is declining because it is out of ideas. It backfills departing experience with young wokists and 'HR Business Partners' who are universally dim and unaware of what the core propositions of the company are. They simply do not understand what our customers buy and it won't change until they are disbanded. They are destroying the company from within.
A more peeps realise what is going on, hopefully things will change, for the better!
Khrushchev banged with his shoe and told Americans that he would destroy us “from within “. The Communists have won! Tragic
"They are destroying the company from within." Similar to the nation.
Destroying the company , and the nation, and western civilization. Not coincidental .
I still don't get how it's those, protesting the murder of George Floyd's fault when HR folks turn into zealot wokies.