Audi RS5 Sportback 2022 review | why it beats C63 and M3 on our roads | Chasing Cars
We test the Audi RS5 Sportback, which uses a 2.9 twin-turbo V6 and AWD.
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The Audi RS5 Sportback is one of our favourite Audi Sport vehicles. It’s so well-suited to Australian roads. It rides incredibly well despite its stiff suspension and 20-inch wheels. Under the bonnet is a 2.9-litre twin-turbo petrol V6 that makes 331kW of power (443 horsepower).
The RS5 Sportback competes directly with the Mercedes-AMG C63 and the BMW M3, plus the Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio. It is a five-door hatchback rather than a sedan like those rivals, however.
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Time codes:
0:00 - Intro to the Audi RS5 Sportback
2:02 - Interior in black fine nappa leather
5:20 - Back seat and baby seats
6:21 - Boot space
7:42 - Running costs
9:02 - What is the Audi RS5 like to drive?
15:53 - Audi RS5 expert verdict
Having come from a previous generation 5, I think the Sportback is the best looking of the new generation - the sharper body lines are much better resolved in the longer Sportback shape. I wasn’t aware that the RS5 had retained the Torsen set up of the earlier model, so that’s a major point in its favour. The real delight is discovering that it’s that rarest of creatures - an everyday supercar. Outstanding car, and a great review, Tom.
Thank you Julian.
100k subscribers woo hoo 🥳🥳🥳
The new latest body is the best and all previous issues are far gone
Yes it is a marvel in its own right and has no competition to outshine it.
It's good to see an independent report without any influence from manufacturers/dealers/sponsors!
I drove this at an Audi track day this week and it was my favourite of all the RS models. Felt the most complete track day car and most excitingly racy of the lot. If I had a spare 200k it would be a RS5 Sportback.
They’re beautifully balanced on track
I’m looking forward to driving it tmrw at Audi Race Day in Melb…
Excellent review and the colors on this are perfect combination. I’ve loved sportbacks from the beginning thanks for your review again 👍😎
That must be a pretty big baby capsule! Great review Tom, always cover the important stuff.
Love the RS5 - good review Tom
This car is a dream come true....I will soon own a custom one....I cant WAIT...Thank you for making the car come alive , here. very great quality video.
I reckon this interior is pure perfection from Audi. Tons of useful and easy to use physical controls and looks generally awesome too! Wish they'd return to this ethos although seems like they're starting to listen with the etron gt and new rs3
Last of the good ones…
Good call. My parents have had Audi's for years and the interior is always special. My Mum has a speced out 2020 Q2 and my Father has a 2019 A5 Sportback S-Line. I'm thinking of buying him an RS5 Sportback as a gift next year for Father's Day. Looking at an RS3 sedan for myself. One big Audi family.
Great review btw
Good work on this video.
I reckon the coupe looks better, but obviously this one is slightly more practical. It's an amazing design anyways.
I preferred the proportions of the first-gen RS5 coupe, but I quite like this Sportback.
I have the coupe. So I’m biased and agree with you. 🤣
Chasing Cars , please do a comparison video of the compact SUV segment and the Mid SUV segment like the Sportage, Rav4 and the likes since most of the models have come up with latest versions . great work and commentary as always!
Fantastic review, Tom. Quick question. Which Audi RS products do you dislike? I can’t think of a bad one.
Love these reviews Tom. Ouch, that price is crazy to me as a Canadian we get them for around 100k (not that I could afford it anyways lol 😆).
Looks great. I am getting the Stinger GT instead but I appreciate what it is and see why it is a great product, even if we get pegged on the price here.
Good review
Appreciate the family practicality review. Kids could be in seats for up 5 years.. as long as the lease term!
I'm impressed that in 2022 Audi still went with that giant ipad slapped on the dash unlike some of their other vehicles with the new digital touchscreens.
Excellent video, mate. I'm in the market for an RS5, and this has really helped in learning more about the car.
Loving the Omega SMP 300. You not only have great taste in cars. ;)
Last year i was crazy about this car but when i started to learn how pure performance works with v8 my mind started to ditch the rs5 and started to focus on c63, m5 and rs6. i still adore the practicality of rs5
Audi is the Bosses Boss Car.
BMW and Mercedez are the spoiled son and dauughter
Hi Tom, have you guys had the chance to test the A5 Coupe?
Love this car. My father has a 2019 A5 Sportback S-Line.... I'm thinking of buying him an RS5 next year. I'm sure he'd love it. He used to have a 2010 Maserati Quattroporte GTS that he loved, but was too expensive to maintain.
Did you get it for him?
My wife gifted me my RS5 for my 50th this year and there was no change from 205k “by the time you add insurance, service plan, tinting and paint protection. It’s spacious user friendly and a bad ass vehicle especially when in dynamic mode. There is one down fall from Audi it’s the wireless Apple CarPlay when ever I get to a certain area where the trams are running it just drops out too bad if your on an important phone call. Love all the exterior carbon fibre upgrades just finished it off. Completed a Audi track day and totally agree this is the car for the track as it seems to have a lower centre on gravity than the RS3 & RS6 and sticks to the tarmac like shit to blanket. Great review.
I have the MY2021 RS5 in the coupe In Turbo Blue with black optics and carbon roof….review mine. It’s been very tastefully fettled with too. So the performance is somewhat noticeably improved over the factory spec. 👍😉
Love the Seamaster!! I have it in blue!
I love this car - amazing looks, comfort + everyday usability, and that ever so important RS spice to round things off. It probably doesn't quite match the MB and BMW in terms of pure performance, but it just kills them in terms of practicality and looks. I am seriously considering picking one up used at about 2 years mark - still quite new, in warranty, but a hell of a lot more friendly towards my budget. Since I won't take it tracking I don't mind if it's not matching competitors to the T, it's plenty fast for the road. The only thing I don't like about the RS5 is that stuck on infotainment screen, that is probably the only thing I would change...
Personally im not a fan of that front end, I actually find the m3 to look better than this audi, the slit above the grille and the headlights just look off on this audi
The pre facelift rs5 was definitely nicer
Yes
Good review. And Tom, where can I get your green jacket?
Ralph Lauren
I own a Nardo Gray 2019 RS5 Sportback with all the performance options, including the carbon ceramic front brakes. You nailed the review. This car is the perfect compromise between performance and practicality. It's the most fun I can have while keeping my clothes on. The best daily driver on the market.
Did you try and push them for a 5 year warranty? If so, how did you go? I'm seriously considering getting the RS5 SB too. The 3 year warranty seems to be one of the biggest letdowns.
Beautiful car, wait a few years let depreciation happen get one of a steal!
U understand it and this is the most complete rs5 yet
And there are lots of stretches of roads in Australia on which you can enjoy driving fast cars .
The headlights make it look friendly.
My dream car♥
was so tempted to buy a rs5 in uk but after taking my 3 daughters who all 6ft and have to drive them 3 days per week to uni they sat in the back at showroom and was too cramped for them and feet room also so settled for m3 xdrive which was so much better for them in the back atleast garage have given me option to trade within 2yrs for rs5 with small deposit lol wonder what they class as small
Great review as usual. What a nice looking car. I ordered the 2022 RS3 as RS5 is too big for me.
The RS5 is anything but large
Did you get it yet
@@AgentOffice nah, eta is oct/Nov.
@@alexedward01 that sucks I wanted one
@@AgentOffice I know mate. Are you AU based too?
Audi nogaro blue for the special-order win! 😮😍👌
I like the way the exhaust sounds when the transmission shifts up and down. Sort of like the engine is snorting. Lol
It wasn’t that clear if the suspension was the DRC equipped or just normal steel springs. I’m South Africa we can’t get the DRC if you also want a tow bar.
I did an exclusive order gomera green on rock grey 2021 S5 sportback for the wife and newborn, she finds it lacking a bit of sportiness though, so am now looking at doing another exclusive rs5 build. What I do really like in the s5 is the ride quality and nvh. It’s just so smooth on our chopped up roads. I’ve even kept the oe conti tyres with the foam sound insulation whereas I usually put latest Michelins on all my new cars on delivery. What is the ride like on s5 vs rs5, do you lose some of the comfort?
Nah, the RS5 is just about as comfortable as the S5
We have 2017 s5 without adaptive suspension and it is just terrible ride on 19 inch wheels, whole car creaks and bumps just shock whole car, it is propably just punishment from audi for not having adaptive suspension.
Alfa Romeo Giulia QV or Stelvio QV over this ?
Great practical review. Awesome daily car. Who goes to the track every day. Fair enough if it’s not for you but that doesn’t mean it’s not a great car. I travel for work and it’s the perfect car. Love hunting Alfas and bossing them! I have found they tend to avoid the RS5.😂
Audi Design team are nailing their brief atm. BMW and MB are left behind.
Tom would love to see a comparison video between the Audi RS5 Sportback and the Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio.
What is ground clearance?
thigh support...between your legs on the seat bottom, there's a recessed area that you can pull out to extend the thigh support. i'm 6'2" with long legs and it's more than enough for me!
Hi there, how would you compare it to the RS4? Engine, handling etc?
Virtually identical in performance as it’s exactly the same engine. Handling may differ due to weight distribution in the RS4 being less favourable. Even better again in the slightly lighter coupe - which I have…. 😉👍
very beautiful wonderful
I bought one in Canada for $95,000CDN. I absolutely love it for all the reasons you talked about. And I have two baby seats in the back. Only minor complaint - a little bumpy.
Why are all the clips of the car coasting by done in slow motion?
I've always wondered what a GTR sedan would be like.
Is this an entirely new engine compared to the S5 or have they just slapped another turbo on and minus .1L?
It is an entirely different and newer engine
Somebody, anybody, 3 questions please! Does it have the same kind of ambient multi-color interior light strips that BMW has? Do the rear seats fold flat? Is there anyway you can cram a mountain bike in the back?
Yes. Yes. Yes
I’d really struggle choosing between the RS5 Sportback and the RS4
Same, actually, but I think I'd land on RS4 because wagon
New RS3 mate. It will be here soon.
RS4 any day !!!
@@tahsin28 Yeah that’s getting some rave reviews
@NZsarge1 I was tossing up between those two as well. That's until I went down to my local dealership and had a closer look at both cars in the flesh... Since then I haven't given the Avant a second glance. The RS5 Sportback looks SO much better than the RS4 IRL! I was also surprised at how small the difference felt in interior space between the two. I'd expected the RS4 to feel noticeably bigger than the RS5 SB - at least in the rear.
Here's one for you Tom, the Gulia QV or RS5 sportback?
RS5 but it’s really tough to say that, I do love the Giulia, but there’s an inherent quality to the Audi cabin that just makes it a joy to drive every single day
Love the car But not a big fan of the ipad sitting high on the dash
Neither
It’s well below your sightline as you drive, though but I do agree a lower position would be an improvement.
I had a 2017 S3 and you could make the screen disappear into the dashboard. It was awesome and gave the car a much cleaner, more traditional look....so of course Audi removed it from the 2018 model and made it so you can't lower it anymore. Smh They should do that with every screen imho. I only need it when I first start the car really anyway and it really gave the interior a dramatically different feel.
I like this exterior design of audi rs5 sportback b9.5.More aggresive than bmw and mercedes.Perfect for young people like me but 450hp (stock) is too low compare with bmw m3 competition and mercedes c63s.Hope b10 generation use 560hp same hybrid engine with porsche panamera 4 se hybrid for future(2022/2023+)!
Isnt rs5 comparable to m4, and rs4 to m3?
Definitely be my next car after I get bored of the RS3.
I went from 2018 RS3 sedan to 2021 RS5 coupe….you won’t be disappointed. The sports diff and proper quattro system alone are worth the change.
@@live.drive.mod.7290 i test drove one recently, the sound was somewhat disappointing as compared to FL RS3 but overall felt like better driving dynamics.
@@ad_2211Did you get the RS5? If only the RS5 would sound better it wozld be a no brainer for me 😅
Sounds quite noisy inside. You should start measuring dbA as part of your reviews 😀
We’ll look into it!
With valves closed it’s as quiet as a mouse….
I had a 2019 RS5 Sportback in that same Nardo Grey colour, and I'm taking delivery this month of an almost identical spec 2022 RS5 Sportback that you reviewed (great review by the way). The only difference between your press car and my order is that I went with the carbon ceramic brakes (in blue). Absolutely fantastic car, and compliments our families new 2022 Q7 (we have 3 kids - none of which go in my RS5 haha).
Nice but dont understand why they Keep the old interior. Even rs3 have the new one
Would you take this over a S5 given the 50% price difference?
Yes
RS is the pinnacle in the Audi line up. How much is the badge worth? I bought the RS5 coupe….it’s an absolutely stunning car and so easily enhanced with tasteful mods and tuning.
Would you take this over a Giulia QV?
Nope
Yep.
Is it faster than the m3 / c63 in 0-60 or 1/4 mile ?
Who cares? Anything under 4 sec is quick enough, and drag racing is boring.
M3 has it beat on top end, but that’s it. This car is gorgeous, fast and has a better interior/build-quality.
I have a question. The A4, A5 and A6 are all based on a fwd platform. Does that mean this RS5 is also based on that fwd platform? My apologies if that sounds dumb. :)
Not dumb. MLB is actually a longitudinal platform. Unusually, the base four-cylinders sit longitudinally but have FWD. The AWD-equipped four-cylinders have a Haldex-type AWD system so they run more or less FWD on steady throttle. However, the six-cylinders and above use a Torsten-style AWD system that is rear-biased.
@@chasingcars Thanks Tom. It's a bit tricky to find that specific info.
@@chasingcars Even if they have Torsen differential with RWD bias, the engine, in this case a relatively heavy V6, is located entirely infront of the front axle, which makes the car nose-heavy and prone to understeer when entering a corner at higher speeds. Combine this with Audi's typical steering (unresponsive, inaccurate and not nearly enough direct for serious sporty driving), you get a driving experience that is dull and a bit boring, and nowhere near as dynamic as in the RWD competition (BMW M3 and Giulia Quadrifoglio), which has its engine positioned behind the front axle. In review you said we should update our way of thinking with modern Audis - I strongly disagree, they are still as dynamicly inept as before. However, this RS5 is nice to look at (if you ingore huge front overhang typical of FWD chassis), and nice and very very safe to drive fast, especially if the road is straight, but no way I would trade in my Giulia Quadrifoglio for RS5, they are miles apart in driving fun and driving dynamics. It's just no contest. Someone who mainly wants great interior will probably disagree with me. But then you can get the new M3 with xDrive, so why even bother with Audi RS5? I know, the new M3 is as face-ugly as it gets.
@@serpenthx valid points. There’s just something about Audi’s though, they are always more than the sum of their parts. Meticulous attention to design and engineering detail throughout.
When lowered and with a stiffer rear sway and end links that understeer you speak of no longer exists…😉👍 And the engine isn’t “entirely” over the front axle. You own one? Happy to provide you more detail and/or pictures….better yet actually drive one that’s been set up correctly.
I really wanted to love this car, coming from a 2020 RS3, but the RS5 just isn't worth the premium over the S5 IMO. It's super fast, looks awesome, is easy to drive, and is super comfortable; but the refinement seems to kill the excitement that cars like the RS3 and M3/M4 have. For $100K, it really needs to exceed the S5 on all fronts... and aside from sheer speed, it just doesn't. For the money, the M4 X-Drive is on a whole other level: it's significantly faster, and the chassis tuning is so much better the RS5 starts to feel like a limo by comparison. Yes, the M4 is a tad fugly whereas the RS5 is straight up gorgeous, but that S58 motor is so insanely good, I'd gladly look past the weird styling in exchange for the performance. If you want a daily commute slayer with far more power than you'd ever need, the RS5 is it. If you want all that plus a car than can demolish a track, AND out sprint quite a few super cars, the M4 is the car.
Couldn't agree more!
I just purchased my 2019 RS5 coupe and coming from a Jaguar F Type V6 I couldn't agree more. I know the RS5 is a quicker car and the launch control is insane but the noise and excitement is a little numb. It felt like you were going quicker in the F Type even though you aren't. Its effortless speed I like to call it but not necessarily exciting. What is worth mentioning though is that with a little aftermarket work (£350 - £450) to delete the resonators and straight pipe it, it turns into a complete monster. Great daily car arguably one of the best for under £100k
You can always make the RS5 faster. I’m at stage 2 pushing over 600hp. You can’t change that M3/M4 ridiculous design that’s permanent lol. The only bmw I’d choose over the RS5 is the M5 competition which will be my next car.
Would definitely take m3 competition over rs5 !
Sorry, I think your wrong. All current A5 Quattro variants are Torsten versions, and none are the haldex
Ya I thought he was wrong about that too. I thought it was just the "3" models that were Haldex.
The m3 haves a Xdrive system know
I had a C204 C63 when I drove one of these (a coupe) and I was really disappointed in the engine above about 5500rpm, it just didn't pull that hard. I felt the C205 and F80 pulled so much harder up top and felt a lot more exciting. I honestly thought that a more appropriate name would be S5, not RS5. I think the high revving V8 was the highpoint of the RS4/5 line, but I enjoy the turbo BMW and AMG engines
If high-RPM pull is your priority, then this may not suit; it makes all that torque in the very muscular low- and mid-range, which I don't have a problem with. A C204 would blow any of the turbo stuff on throttle response and high-RPM sound anyway
@@chasingcars True and thank you for the quick reply - I ended up with an F13 M6 with 600ps, that pulls very hard up top and once the turbos are awake at about 2500rpm it is just nuts the whole way to 7000rpm. The F80 felt similar but just with a bit less torque across the range than the M6.
But is the RS5 and M3/C63 in the same market segment? …isn’t the RS5 in the segment as the 5 series or E class?
I’d say the m4 competition would be a better comparison
Audi 6/7 = BMW 5 / Mercedes E
I guess the RS5 is more M4 segment
The RS5 Sportback is a direct competitor to the C63 and M3 sedan, yes. What we have said is accurate. The RS5 coupe is an M4 competitor. The RS6 and RS7 compete with the E63 and M5. The numbers don’t line up; they’re different brands
After test driving the G80 M3 xDrive, it’s hard to look back to an outdated RS5. No doubt these are still nice cars, but the new M3 is just better in every other aspect as a sports car. Personally think the new RS5 is just way too overpriced compared to the G80 M3, maybe buying a slightly used one makes more sense.
You find rs5 outdated? I think it’s still pretty on par with comp
@@Turtle-sz7sk I do. RS5 has not received an infotainment update for at least 4-5 years as I remembered, and it starts to show age. Comparing to an M3, the biggest advantage of RS5 was its Quattro system but now M3 gets xDrive and beats RS5 in every performance aspect (0-100, 100-200, dry handling, winter drivability). Maybe RS5 can become attractive with a refresh, but that’s in at least another 2 years.
@@shinwang2469 they just updated the infotainment and styling on the RS4/RS5
@@stefanomarcellino6701 this 2022 model still looks the same as old ones to me. I guess it’s just the slightly bigger screen similar to the Q5 refresh?
@@shinwang2469 has a bigger screen and it’s touch now. I prefer the older style without touch as it’s easier to do while driv8ng and I hate fingerprints but that’s just me. Performance wise the g80/82 beats rs5 but ride and drive ability the rs5 wins if that’s important to you. Much better daily driver but it depends on what you want. And I have no idea how you’d quantify which is better in winter lol
It’s like a Bouncy House for the rich !
@13:25 Why so slow? Looks like he's going 40km/h.
and it doesn't have a 48v mild hybrid system, you're confusing it with something else.
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You make an excellent point. Most journalists don’t think like the normal person. I haven’t driven the m3 but I had a loan car m340i for several weeks. On shite Sydney roads even this model is too harsh for me and simply doesn’t want to make you go for a drive as it wasn’t comfortable. This car is getting too old now though to spend that much.
Suspension compliance also means it can put its power down on a less than perfect road. It’s important.
Old? Brand new Audi platform only came out in 2016.
@@anthonyfarnan5935 lol so the new one coming in 2023 means it’s not old. Ok 👍🏻
@@krugmeup2162 How new is “new”? The one in 2016 was an all new platform. I doubt the 2023 model will be on new platform. Also, the 2016 platform was super advanced at the time.
@@anthonyfarnan5935 sit inside it and you decide.
How to say I don't have trust in what I build without saying it! (3 years warranty)
I'm not sure that's it, given Audi routinely offer 5 year warranties as a sales tool on MLB vehicles and Volkswagen's MLB vehicle has a 5 year warranty
@@berniesutton7277 that is a fair point, probably they do meet those target!
@@chasingcars Consumer laws can override a warranty if car does not show reliability even past 3 years. Audi and BMW have shown to be excellent in this respect; I have experienced it.
M3
gotta fix that sound tho
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I would much rather have it's sibling the RS4.
Isn’t this pretty much a VW Arteon R line ? Is there much if a difference?
They aren’t related in any way. Different platform, different engine, different cylinder count, different AWD system…
@@chasingcars Do you plan to review the new Arteon? I am keen to buy one, but it keeps getting delayed and cant get any info on the Aussie release. it's crickets since July.
Good review. Seems like a sensible choice if you need rear seats. Otherwise a 718 GTS is way better 😂
Lol, true
But isn’t it slower than new RS3?
Care factor?
Yep rs5 is the slowest in its class
I mean… there comes a point where that is sort of not the main thing. 3.9sec 0-100 is quick, right. What most cars that are that quick get wrong is that their ride isn’t compliant, so even if they’re quick in a straight line they struggle on a broken-up B-road. The RS5 doesn’t have that problem, making it devastatingly fast in the real world, not just a smooth track.
@@chasingcars I see your point I this the rs5 is more to be family friendly where as the m3 is more for track focused... 3.9sec is decent 0-100 but the rs5 hasn't got much from a roll
Stock RS3 (new release) is circa 3.6s 0-100kph which is largely comparable to every real world test of the RS5….then factor in the actual sports diff / true quattro system of the RS5 and you have a much more enhanced grip levels over the pseudo quattro (haldex) in the RS3. My 2018 RS3 vs my 2021 RS5 - no comparison across the entire driving spectrum. Just for straight line speed - comparable. Even tuned….comparable.
Desirable as ever but I'll choose a Stinger GT over this and have a lot of money left for other toys and goodies 😅 Especially the new 2.5 turbo four and RWD even more saving 😃 only wish that one would have Nappa option (not happening)
Never compare a KIA to an AUDI again please. Especially an RS5. Disrespectful
@@Swishseb666 badge snob comment :) go drive a stinger 3.3 v6 and come back. Audis are for accountants / dull people.
This is a laughable comment. What an abhorrent comparison. Kia build quality and performance vs Audi….have you actually driven both cars objectively? But you can never argue with the unwashed masses as the budget Korean cars are clearly superior to any Audi Sport cars from Germany. 👍
@@dexterf8601 Dexter. I highly doubt you are rich. And i highly doubt you drive a nice car. So please don't talk about cars you cannot afford.
@@Swishseb666 ouch. Triggered Audi owner 🤣
NO ventilated seats, NO heated steering wheel on most since the sport wheel doesn't have it and an iPad still stuck to the dash, Audi is behind the times and needs to figure that out
Buying a house on wheels
🤣 Track Performance: bmw>mb>audi Luxury:mb>bmw>audi Driver engagement:bmw>mb>audi Comfort: mb>audi>bmw Audi would not be my choice in any category, its just vanilla
I love this car but I know if I were to pick between the C63, M3 and RS5 the RS5 would be my last pick.
Why?
exactly
Please enlighten us more
It's not better than M3 🔥
I find rs5 so boring when i drove it bought new M3 instead 0 regrets
Even though it's a lovely car, why the hell do Audi continue with that _"stuck on iPad"- style for the central infotainment display? It just looks cheap tacky and something of an after thought.
I cant take this title serious. This car has the cheesiest little glued on screen that u would see in a ford escape and other 2013 model cars. Performance wise it would lose to a m3 or m4 by a bus length and lose around a track. Their truly isnt a single thing this does better then a bmw m3 or m4 and the same could be said for the rs6 performance. Bmw is humilating audi these days
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Save your money. Put the $150,000 on a house instead.!
I just dropped 118k on an M2 when I should have been buying a house. Now i gotta move back with my parents while I save more of a deposit…
We don’t review houses
Smart business people will buy on finance while getting tax deductions on vehicle depreciations… so having a $180DA car will not impact on their ability to purchase properties lmao, they’d only be paying the difference between actual vechile depreciation and the tax offset they claimed on the car each year from their cash flows
@@nickng5857 So What you are implying is that unless you can claim tax deductions on really expensive vehicles like this one. Don't buy it. Thats the reality. I agree with that concept. Why would you.
@@Rick-kj9dd yes mate maybe some of the really wealthy pp don’t care about vehicle depreciation and just want to spend money for the thrill of it, but for the majority of us the luxury vehicle deprecation threshold which is about $70k over a few years is the reason why cars just above that price is attractive to a lot of people for tax reasons