Is the Netherlands becoming less tolerant? And how Amsterdam changed
2023 ж. 27 Жел.
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In this video, we'll discuss how Amsterdam has changed in recent years. We'll explore the increasing anti-immigrant sentiment, the increased cost of living, the crowded streets of Amsterdam, and how politics play a role in this trend.
We hope you enjoy this video, and that it gives you a better understanding of the complicated issues affecting the Netherlands today.
What do you think? Is the Netherlands becoming less tolerant, and if so, why? Let us know in the comments below!
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Well; In Dutch terms, essentially, "tolerance" means "patience" or "endurance." In essence, the idea is: "I host you, I tolerate you (or endure you) because you are an important 'human resource' for the economic gain of my nation." As long as you stay within the boundaries of being a 'human resource,' I'm fine with it. I, as a Dutch person, can be direct with you, but you cannot be direct with me. I decide not to have anything to do with you unless you bring me economic gain (if you pay a ticket, if you shop in my supermarkets, if I pay you a salary because you can do a job that I don't know how to do or don't want to do, etc.). If you want to socialize, don't look to the native Dutch, but find some other expat or build relationships with your fellow countrymen. That's essentially what it's about. Nothing more and nothing less. The paradox is that I, being Italian, can to say it in serenity and with intellectual honesty, while the Dutch (who pride themselves on the virtue of «being frank and direct») awkwardly conceal this simple reality. Or they change the subject when you reveal it to them. G.
Language plays a big role here. Expats don't want to learn Dutch because it's easier to speak English, and say the Dutch are to blame for not wanting to teach them, the Dutch don't want to teach expats because it's easer to speak English, and blame the expats for not wanting to learn. This makes expats create their own social bubbles because they feel the Dutch don't include them, and it makes the Dutch intolerant to expats because they feel expats refuse to integrate into society. If people don't communicate they can't understand each other's perspectives and that creates distrust. Now add to that a housing crisis and tough financial challenges, sprinkle it with a bit of tax benefits for foreigners and you've created nationalism.
Very reflective comment. Highly appreciated
It's odd how everything is framed ethnich Dutch vs immigrants, when in reality it's also immigrants vs immigrants. Immigration in The Netherlands happened in waves during the last 70 years. So right now immigrant families from Morocco and Turkey compete with newer Eastern European migrants for housing and work.
@burgienl, With all due respect to those coming from non-European Union countries, it is crucial to avoid confusion between the European Union and other global regions. We should refrain from generalizations and not paint everyone with the same brush. From the perspective of the behavior of European guests, we observe significant differences compared to non-EU individuals who have been living in the Netherlands for decades. These differences, indeed, over time have rightfully led to the election of Wilders as the prime minister. However, since the European flag is prominently displayed on my identity card, I feel justified in considering the Netherlands somewhat my territory. This concept of 'community' and 'belonging' reflects in a more harmonious conduct, or at least it should. Nevertheless, it should be emphasized that this concept does not apply uniformly to all ethnicities. While some groups, especially those from non-EU countries, have economically benefited from the Netherlands, unfortunately, they have not always reciprocated with an adequate level of integration, sometimes engaging in criminal behavior. Now, regrettably, the price of this 'violence' suffered by the Dutch is being paid by those who have nothing to do with the events of the past decades. Therefore, it is necessary to underscore this distinction, recognizing behavioral differences and promoting social cohesion based on values that should be more common among us: mutual respect and genuine European integration. G.
Ofcourse it did. The Dutch and Amsterdam people that lived there for generations where pushed out by commercial international housing. Tax benefits where granted to expats and raised for the random Dutch person. The culture has changed, the honest open Amsterdam and Dutch culture is vanishing. I mean for crying out loud the example of that expat woman that moved in the old centre where everyone would love to be able to afford and then started a campaign to stop the iconic church bells from ringing because her children can’t sleep. That’s an example of the pretentious privileged way that clashes with sober and modest Dutch Calvinistic culture. It lost its iconic essence, the sweet little city as our former mayor said. The high and chatter with your neighbor or local vender. It became mass and random.
The Netherlands is not just Amaterdam......
De kruik gaat ten onder totdat hij barst. Wij delen al veel in Nederland en daarbuiten. Echter botsen wij met extremen, welke steeds vaker ook extreme oplossingen behoeven. Vaak vergeten wij ons zelf, maar kunnen wij niet alles delen. In Nederland is een bodem benaderd waarin wij nu worden gevraagd ook nog te delen, waarvan wijzelf leven. Dan wordt er een regel toegepast. Je kan niet helpen, als er niets meer is om te geven. Wij sparen nu wat wij gebruiken om te overleven. Wordt er meer gevraagd dan zijn wij direct door nee te zeggen. Dat is niet direct extreem gedacht, maar heldere zaak. Er valt niet veel meer te delen zonder zelf ten onder te gaan. Dat behoeft paal en perk. Zo simpel is dit. Dat gevoel heerst nu in Nederland. Bedankt voor deze goede interviews!
Heel graag gedaan!
"je kan niet helpen, als er niets is om te geven". Waarom doe je alsof je arm bent? Je behoort bij de rijksten ter wereld en tegelijkertijd bij de rijkste generatie die ooit geleefd heeft. Je houdt jezelf voor de gek als je denkt dat je niets hebt om te geven.
Dan heb jij je ogen en oren goed dicht zitten. Nog nooit van overlopen voedselbanken gehoord en/of van mensen met een minimum inkomen die niet meer rond kunnen komen? Tik maar eens op KZhead in, want zelfs hier verspreid de NOS nieuws, "Armoede in Nederland". Succes ermee, je snapt er geheel maar weinig van. Er niet alleen armoede, maar mensen leven onder de armoede grens. Maar is allemaal hun eigen schuld natuurlijk zal wel je volgende reactie zijn? Je moet je schamen man.@@roelf8044
@@roelf8044 Iemand die niets heeft om te geven heeft niets aan de statistiek die aantoont dat wij als land veel geld hebben. Als wij als land veel hebben om te geven, dan mag er ook verwacht worden dat dit wordt gehaald bij de mensen die zorgen voor deze scheefgroei.
@@roelf8044 Wie ben jij om voor hem te bepalen dat hij armer MOET worden voor iets dat verder geen enkel doel dient? Hij geeft aan dat hij bij de huidige armoede de grens trekt voor fenomenen zonder maatschappelijk nut, en dat is prima. We hebben een extreme woningcrisis. De hoofdoorzaak daarvan ligt bij sinds 1972 tot aan 2019 te weinig bouwen vanwege de boerenlobby en de milieulobby, zeker. Maar desondanks hebben we nu een tekort van een half miljoen woningen en veel te hoge prijzen waardoor hele generaties verarmd raakten, terwijl tegen de huidige cijfers alleen al asielzoekers in 10 jaar voldoende zijn om nogmaals een half miljoen woningen nodig te hebben. Nog even los van natuurlijke aanwas en normale legale nuttige migratie. Dat werkt niet, dat ziet iedereen die eerlijk is.
Amsterdam tolerates money and only money.
@eprespacal1 essentially, you told the pure truth using very few words. I'm perfectly agree with you. G.
Amsterdam has changed, and not for the better. Far too many so called internationals. Nowadays I am even forced to speak English in many shops. Just hate it. When that happens I just turn around and leave.
i love it,,maybe get out of your tiny bubble?
People in the Netherlands are less tolerant on the moment, because there is a house crisis. And young Dutch people can't rent of buy a house, because the price is to high, and there is a great housing sortage, so they have to stay living in their parents house when they are on the age of 30. Now they have to wait for more than 10 years. and that is the only reason why they dont want to have more refugees and expats. And also they dont like it, when buying in the shops in Amsterdam, waiting staff is speaking english instead of Dutch. Dutch young people are live on their own from a early age. Having their own house rules, instead of rules from the parents, because that is another generation, and can received their own friends. I have a cousin who have only get a house on the age of 35. After the financial crisis from 2008, our government has made wrong dicisions about our housing market.
Thank you for your honest answer and elaboration. It is highly appreciated.
I will have to disagree. If you look at the numbers, 1972 was the last year we built enough houses, untill 2019. That's half a century of deliberately building less than we need, as a result of the farmers' lobby and the eco-warrior lobby. You can't fix that in a decade, no matter what you do. Unless you want to go full Stalin or something and execute the 150 richest farmers, confiscate their land and sentence 50000 people to build houses on it as forced labour or something. 😆 And while I don't doubt that that idea leaves Marijnissen aroused, let's not go to such extremes and just accept the housing shortage is a given for the next decade. Worse, if we emphasize social housing (costs more to build than it pays out) now, that'll actually make the problem worse. In my work I see so many housing projects being killed by weird political demands like "Make 30% social housing and lose €2 million on your project". Yeah, it's a company, not a charity, facing a demand like that they will either cheat (such as Change= did in Utrecht to fix outrageous political demands) or they will simply cancel the building and try again in 5 years.
But you forget 2 things, retirement homes have been completely phased out, en fewer nursinghomes, and so fewer social housing units became available, and with the financial recession 2008, there were a lot of construction companies became bankrupt. And the staff from construction and nurse vind other jobs. In that time they didn't build for social housing, because the housing association had to paid the government 1.9 billion a year. I have a cousin on the age of 35 he get his first apartment, before he had to live with his mother. But i see that prices are to high for people to buy a new house. So for you, if people can not buy a house, then they have to sleep in tents on the street being homeless, like in the states ?. Or living in a hotelroom with your family, if you are lucky in the UK. Ofcourse the construction builder has to make a profit. But i think that the government has the task of countering land speculation by the municipality.@@SVEVelsen And every human been has the right to live on his own, and not after 18 years after you have been registered by the housing association. But they can't build social houses, because the housing association had to paid the government 1.9 billion a year.
Intresting interviews and takes. Though blaming the government is a bit dumb.. They were voted in by the people right?
The big drawback of tolerance is that it gives ample of room to the intolerant. That having said - Dutch tolerance is generally misunderstood. In many ways the Netherlands have been a rather conservative middle class society where 'tolerance' has simply been considered the most practical (profitable?) way to deal with social issues. Dutch tolerance (gedogen) is more like looking the other way as long as it does little harm. That attitude and the we-are-all-in-this-together mentality has kept Dutch society together over the generations in spite of some serious internal contradictions. But those days are coming to an end. The western world is entering an era of steep economic decline that will eventually test the limits of the Dutch social cohesion as well.
People forget we weren't tolerant, we were loyal to a political and religious 'pillar' of which the leaders cooperated for the good of the country and told their respective flocks to behave. Their was a top-down calming effect from the 'own group'. Don't like that your neighbour has a job and was able to buy an SUV? Your socialist leader will tell you to shut up about it and behave, and if your neighbour heard his liberal leader will have told him to leave it be and behave. These days people set a car on fire because they don't like that it runs on petrol or diesel, or block the road so their neighbour can't get to work. To give an extreme example, as a religious minority my grandfather in Nieuwegein was often subjected to (armed) violence when growing up, by boys of the 'correct church' (hervormd). This was tolerated to a worrying extent, I could tell. When he heard I was being bullied he copypasted his ways and explained to me how I could bring a knife and deal with the bullies: "If they attack you, just pull the blade over their claws like this [sideways motion over the top of a hand], they will back down. Never stab! If you stab them they might die and police will have no choice but to get involved." Ah yes, Dutch tolerance, knifefights because one boy's parents go to a different church and police is all "Meh, armed gang violence, who cares as long as they don't kill eachother" 😆 By the fact that I'm still free to type you can probably guess other family members argued against the idea of slashing school bullies with blades as a matter of routine, but damn, apparently that was normal back then.
@vincenttayelrand, In Dutch terms, essentially, "tolerance" means "patience" or "endurance." In essence, the idea is: "I host you, I tolerate you (or endure you) because you are an important 'human resource' for the economic gain of my nation." As long as you stay within the boundaries of being a 'human resource,' I'm fine with it. I, as a Dutch person, can be direct with you, but you cannot be direct with me. I decide not to have anything to do with you unless you bring me economic gain (if you pay a ticket, if you shop in my supermarkets, if I pay you a salary because you can do a job that I don't know how to do or don't want to do, etc.). If you want to socialize, don't look to the native Dutch, but find some other expat or build relationships with your fellow countrymen. That's essentially what it's about. Nothing more and nothing less. The paradox is that I, being Italian, can to say it in serenity and with intellectual honesty, while the Dutch (who pride themselves on the virtue of «being frank and direct») awkwardly conceal this simple reality. Or they change the subject when you reveal it to them. G.
One in Four voted for “anti-foreigner” party , was this video made before election ?
Yes, few days before the elections
For Amsterdam it's too late....
Foreign immigrants differ from expats dude! The first category never leaves, and the latter is mainly temporarily in our country (expat, means they got their own country to go back to!) ! Mainly young men from Syria or sub-Sahara are immigrants (often illegal) they profit. Expats are EU or knowledge based people, a great additions. So, yes expats are okay, immigrants not so much!
Wonderful smart analysis
Orange is back to Christ 💪
Corrupt politics and greed have destroyed a lot in the Netherlands, epecially in the big cities. They look more and more like lunaparks for tourists. The atmosphere for the normal inhabitants has changed dramatically, more and more have left the big cities over the years. Unaffordable housing, worsening services by the city (building infrastructure, waiste disposal), unaffordable parking services, worsening infrastructure for cars (you know, the thing people use for getting around/going to work etc.), the disappearing of smaller businesses (only big chains & supermarkets). And then there is the total constraint of a huge amount new laws that make lots of things illegal and you get tickets for? Did you know it is now forbidden to feed a bird in the city of Amsterdam for instance? Or that the maximumspeed for cars is now 30km per hour? Except giving tickets for these kind of redicilous laws, the police is nowhere to be found. Etc. etc.
What an utter bullshit… go you live your miserable life in your PVV fascist farmer shit hole and stay there for good
NOOOO!! We need MANY muslims and asians and arabs and millions of black brothers!
We need them for what? Crashing the democracy,because islam hates that.
As a Belgian I must say the Netherlands have changed a lot. From being a beacon of tolerance and broadmindedness for the world it has become a creepy country. The Dutch think they need to lecture everyone on anything, they think they're smarter than all of their neighbours. They even called the covid lockdowns "intelligent lockdowns" while they were no different from those in Germany or Belgium. They seem to admire anything American so much that I sometimes call them the 51st state of the usa. I blame their former prime minister who didn't even have the guts to seek reelection when it became apparent that the fascists were going to win the elections. Mark Rutte belongs in the same row as war criminal Blair.
TBH we are smarter than Belgium in general for sure 😅
@@elzinga87 Het ergste is dat jullie dat nog echt geloven ook. Je weet toch wat het kenmerk van echt domme mensen is.
They are smarter. They are leading the way, the Dutch are usually the first, the initiator of new developments that other countries will copy or try to copy. Covid policy also started out much smarter but soon Rutte decided to sacrifice the Dutch people to not make his international friends look bad by doing something differently. I do agree Rutte belongs behind bars. The Dutch were also the first to see that tolerance will only be taken advantage of to give you more and more to tolerate. The Dutch have had enough and soon other countries will follow.
@@DenUitvreter Oei, kan je het niet meer alleen tegen dat Belgje?
@@SuperDirk1965 tja Belgje, er zijn er blijkbaar meer die er zo over denken als ik 😆 kun je het niet hebben? 😂 Insignificant Belgje 😂
Like a Spanish, the first time I travelled to Amsterdam/Nederlands, I got hated by being foreigner from Spain. It is funny to see how my Spanish ancestors played with you years ago, you still angry.
In their anthem you can still find a verse that the prince of Orange has always honoured the king of Spain.
Nonsense of course ;) Spaniards are fine people. And 99% of the people here are not even aware of what exactly went down during the 80 years war. They just know that the Dutch won after 80 years of Spaniards trying and trying to overpower us haha we tend to laugh at it more then being angry of course bc we won, but like I said; Spaniards are okay people ;)
@@elzinga87 Of course the only way for the Dutch to win was with the help of the rich people of Antwerp, the same people that changed Amsterdam from a backwater to a real city.
@@SuperDirk1965 haha I see you need a little history lesson.. No problem little Belgian brother ;) in 1585 Antwerp was actually captured which caused Calvinists to flee to the North. Amsterdam was the first city of the united provinces and the capital of resistance again Spain. Sorry little Belgian brother.. I know you want to feel also part of it but your country is insignificant enough as it is ;) haha
@@elzinga87 Natuurlijk, ik ga me een beetje de les laten spellen door een hollander.