I challenged a 78 year old to a build off
A battle of the generations. Boomer vs millennial to see who can build the better table in two days.
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It's nearly impossible to vote on two different designs and materials. I like them both for different reasons. Older Johns made a nice serving table that accommodates more and the wood grains and finish we nice, but the small end table had a more refined finish. To test the actual craftsmanship, they'd have to be put to use and some abuse to see if they were stabilized to stand perfectly still and hold a tight frame.
It's bizarre you think people are supporting this shit. "Haha boomers bad no?" What's it feel like having a video that's part of the zeitgeist driving folks to exclusively harm asian and white americans? You know like pushing them to their death on public transport? How do you expect anyone to stand with you and against little old asian ladies and this "boomer" youve made a target of? It's not cute, you're sick in the head.
Older John didn't need a shop full of toys to make his table, used reclaimed wood, overcame having limited tools, and still churned out a beautiful piece with like, 12 hours to spare. He gets my vote.
That is why if only young John didnt complicate stuff, wouldve been so much better. Thats is why the millenials need the resources and the knowledge of the boomer. Please pass the baton good sirs.
Also, curious if Young John would've plunked down the Jackery on his own table without a second thought like he did John the Elder's?
@@gunderalex HA yeah, no. The Jackery 2000 wotsits weighs about 50lbs, I really don't see that table holding that up without tipping. Maybe if he set it down gently offcenter towards the back of it and prayed, REALLY HARD to the Omnissiah, but I don't even think the Machine Spirit would help with that.
No one needs fancy tools, but it certainly saves a shit load of time... how valuable is your time?
@@jonc2914 You'll note I pointed out Older John overcame his lack of tools and still had 12 hours to spare. I believe the phrase is "It's not what you've got it's how you use it."
I’m an older retired guy, so before watching the video, I had decided that older John would win. He used old pallets and created something great. A very good craftsman. Then watching young John creating a very good price of art that was beautiful and stunning I started wavering. I would be proud to own either piece. Hats off to both of you. Both are amazing. I built my own kitchen table in college and it is beautiful and will last for future generations, so I get it. Go to Golden Corral, then to the craft beer brewery and celebrate your unique friendship. It is a greater treasure than either table. As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. Stay sharp my friends!
Well stated sir. Agreed.
Both. Both is good.
Well said! I have to say this video and the comments have been heart warming.
Old guy wins hands down. Function before fashion every time.
Totally agree.
Older John gets my vote purely for his resourcefulness, using reclaimed wood, less time, simpler method, and more usable space on the table.
Dunno how many pallet videos I've watched, and this guy has the best breakdown I've seen. All these dudes out there wrecking their backs wrenching the boards off, and my man just flips the pallet and hammers them off. Respect.
I noticed that too.
Used the 4x4 and gravity bro. That plus the champers on those legs. 😮
That's what "Brains not brawn" means!😊
Wait, people were not using their brains by trying to lever the boards off? I took apart a few things held with nails, and a hammer was the easiest way I could think of to take them apart...
At work I just use a size 12 boot and some pent up frustration to breakdown pallets. Some minor breakage, but it's easy and therapeutic.
The fact that John's table will hold the Jackery tells me he's the winner 🏆
*Tie - Golden Corral, beers afterwards* - the round table is awesome, higher level craftsmanship, and unique design, but I am jealous of how quickly and easily the old man put together an awesome table with salvage, leftovers, and a token amount of tools.
Beer first, get loaded, then late night alcohol absorbing meal lol.
Hmm, I'd keep the top hexagon shaped instead of circle, it looks so much cooler.
I was wanting to see him set that generator on his table and see what would happen.😂
I agree. Tie! Dinner at the Corral with beers afterward at the brewery. Both pieces were awesome! They’re both skilled and talented carpenters.
salvage, leftovers and token amount of tools Gotta go w Matured John.
Your friendship is the real winner. Both pieces have their own beauty. I love the idea of a total recycle that elder John was able to master with limited tools and also the geometric beauty that John The Lesser was able to craft on a short deadline. Bravo gentlemen!
Speaking as someone getting older...you learn to appreciate the generation that just gets it done. They don't waste time whining or crying and just does it. Love this friendship, you both can learn from each other. Great job!
I agree. I'm 42 and this hits home more and more each day.
I hear that! I am 45 and finding that each year there are less and less people in the trades who just go after something and do it. most are complaining if everything is not perfectly set up for them or if anything goes sideways and when they do gain even slightly more skill they immediately want more and more and more money.I start guys out at $35 per hour with only basic woodworking skill and usually within 3 to 6 months they are demanding double. that is not reasonable.
The fact that the jackery generator ended up being thrown with that much confident on john’s pallet table says enough. Don’t think the little circle would’ve coped with that kind of force 😊
Exactly.
I was thinking, oh this is his last attempt at sabotage.
He did build that thing to outlive him so I guess he succeded
@@aaronalvarado2481tell me you missed the spirit of the video without telling me, you go first. This wasn't a competition about winning, it was a competition of friendship and fun. Nobody tried to sabotage anything, it's not that fucking deep.
@@juliahalverson3 My comment was sarcastic but that went missing in your cerebral cortex somehow.
Older John needs to start his own KZhead channel! He's very natural in front of the camera with a wonderful dry wit and years of experience making useful items from found stuff. We could all learn so much from him. Hope you will pass this on!
He is certainly all those things. But you won't ever see him with a YT channel. He hasn't even watched this video!
@Lincolnstww he doesn't need to watch them!
If you get ideas for some episodes on your channel y’all be big 😊
Bob Ross of wood craft.
@@Lincolnstwwoh I want to hug him he reminds me of my dad who passed away a year ago. Thank you for bringing him happiness every day with your kindness and friendship.
Elder John, for sure! Table is sturdy, large useful surface area. I am a function before form kinda dude. Much praise to LSW for filming and arranging! You did great, but young and enthusiastic will never defeat old and crafty! Well done, Johns! A pleasure to watch your work.
Being an older "gentleman" myself who has been blessed with always having to do things the hard way, plus having a wife who really likes things made from pallet wood, I definitely have to give older John and his happy, positive attitude a thumbs up. Good job at stopping at perfection!
Gotta vote for the pallet table. That was made by repurposing old wood into something beautiful and functional. It even held up the Jackery!
I was scared he's gonna place the jackery on the little table and crush it lolll
very true! there's no way a battery like that is light
@@senorfuego2148 70 lbs [edit = sorry 50lbs .. 70 is the bigger model]
Yeah. Can't really throw the Jackery on that fancy table - no stability!
He also had time to spare! But not sure if its due to the relative simplicity of the pattern (compared to the other) or what. Still though.
Probably the most entertaining content you have ever produced...both projects are spectacular, but the wobbly Ryobi won me over...off to the Golden Corral you go
Couldn't agree more. The pattern of the "millennial" looks great. But overall, given material, tools, and technic... off to the Golden Corral you go
we banish ye to the stale bread lair of thy local golden corral
Love young John's channel, but old John wins the day!
Without a doubt. Old john beats young john. Even in wit. “I won’t live long enough to worry about it!” Old john is a riot!
Old John wins for me
I think both theses tables are lovely, each with their own purpose. But what really stands out for me is the friendship, humour, and talent of both these guys. It demonstrates that there is room for all kinds of approaches depending on what we have access to.
Older John's humor and sarcasm is delightful. 💜
Another vote for Older John - his outdoor table passes the most important test: when a child (or grandchild) jumps on top of it or falls into it, it won’t break, bludgeon or impale them. Glad he got the Jackery - it’s sweet!
Elder John gets my vote. But looked great but Elder Johns table was more functional and sturdy, with way more surface area.
These older generation blokes are incredibly resourceful. Spend as much time with him as you can.
Yup I agree. Soak the wealth of experience so that it's not lost to time.
Loved both these guys. Being 66 I thought the younger John would get on my nerves but his comments on the breweries and how people convince themselves to like something just because it’s over-priced and it’s fashionable. His self deprecating humor won me over and has earned me as a subscriber
@@michaeltrujillo9092 🧐🤷 what? Man commented on the wrong comment or something 🤣
I think both tables are equally impressive in their own right. Every tool used in this video is utilized to its fullest potential. Both John's made unique and functional tables. I like old John's table for the fact that it is large, capable of holding a lot of stuff and made of reclaimed material. I like young John's table because it is very intricate, artistic and decorative. I say you guys get Golden corral to go and a six-pack of microbrew. 😋👊
Can we appreciate how good and healthy our 78 year old fella looks. Good job to the both of you.
How about how funny he is. 😂
It's all about staying active and limber. If you slow down and become sedentary in your old age your body will reflect that.
He lugs around those saws with the strength of someone 30 years younger! 😮
Breathing all this sawdust through his life... his lungs are strong as hardwood
The two of them understood the challenge, but only one understands the challenge. Using the pallet was genius, because you know you will leave the tables outside and that old pallet wood would last longer and is easier to fix
I just love the respect and humbleness that little John has. I wish I had that at his age. Hats off to him. I love his table too. Tho, I love Older Johns table as well, with the "Built in Decorative features"...keeping it real at 78. I ain't choosing between them, cuz I don't have to. Love em both, different strokes.
John senior for the win. You fought a good fight, and that pallet table had character for miles.
Honestly, the pallet table might not look as nice as the round one, but the work mentality behind its creation and the usage of tools the way John did, its got my vote.
i thought it looks fine and more practical
The pallet one is the on id likly want to be outside
I'm 100% percent sure the pallet table will outlast the round table for a few decades at least.
As someone with experience with three legged tables, I really prefer a four legged table. Three legged tables tip and whatever is on the table when it tips is going to at least spill and quite possibly break. Sure it looks fancy and impressive, but it's not practical. Neither are the chairs. With those points on the ends of the arms there are going to be bumps and bruises when people bang into those pointed arms.
The round table will tip over with one small wind gust. I had a heavier duty one than his and it constantly was tipping. The only thing I like better is the darker color. I definitely vote for the old guys table but if he used the darker color including on the legs and all wood that can be seen from the underside it would be perfect
The round table is lovely, however the Old Boy wins due to the simpleness applied, not spending a penny, recycling and providing a larger more rustic table. Great entertainment and well done to you both.
I 100% agree
Ik feel the same!
You spoke for me as well. I'd also add that Old John did his work with just a few well-known tools, while Young John seemed to have a special gadget for EVERYTHING.
Pretty much exactly what I was going to say as well. Young John's table is beautiful but older John's table is something I would actually use and have.
Exactly so simple
I would love to keep seeing vids like this as a monthly feature on your channel...I love to see what older John can put out with minimal tools that many of us can afford, it's also great to see what you can turn out with all the toys... You are blessed to have the real estate, workshop space, awesome tools and a very patient and loving wife.
Thanks for watching but it won’t be a monthly feature
I find this a great format.. love meeting other woodworkers, seeing two builds instead of one, adapting to the found materials, the challenge of "never made it before", and learning how different build strategies mean different sorts of work. So many themes going on. This would be a great way to partner with other woodworker channels and multiply exposure
Younger John is fun to watch, but older John is my spirit animal. Just a "Here's what I've got, let's get it done." mindset.
At the drag strip I’ve heard this sentiment called “running what you brung”.
I'd have to give it to Younger John. I'd rather have his piece in my House, but I'd rather have Older John over for dinner because he's not a weenie. Oh, by the way most of that electric is derived from Fossil Fuels and the LI Battery made from Child Slave Labor... Adios ..!! Nice Vid.
@@wmb5240oh yeah! we love child labour and child slaves, don't we?
How do you figure? Especially considering he showed the giant solar setup for his battery on this same damn video... Weenie.
@wmb5240 Depends on where you live. In the northwest here most of our power comes from hydro. In California our vacation house is completely solar.. You can also use separate solar panels as shown in the video to charge it. Lithium battery contains cobalt, which is mined by hand for like a dollar a day in the Congo. Horrific conditions for sure. But do you have a better job for them to do? When UNICEF bans child labor, the children often turn to prostitution instead.
the fact that you put the Jackery on John senior’s table makes the win for me. Its sturdy and solid and already proven to work. I wouldn’t trust the tiny new Johns table to hold that. Needless to say that was a wholesome video congrats to both of yall
Same
Yeah, the design methology is very different. The other makes a multipurpose table, the other makes a fancy patio table. Both would be desirable in their respective environments.
another vote for sturdy wins here.
The friendship you two have is the winner :) what a wonderful thing to have neighbors like you two !!
I don't regularly watch woodworking videos, but this was amazingly done. It is great to see the friendship here, and the contrasting styles. My vote goes to Old John as well. Young John's table had a beautiful top, not a huge fan of the leg. But Old John's ability to do so much with scrap wood and a couple of standard tools is amazing.
Your wholesome relationship with your neighbor is the real reward here. The world needs more John and John…when you aren’t parenting and he isn’t camping of course. 😉
My neighbors are all vulgar and suspicious people. I wish I lived in a neighborhood that focused on community instead of extreme privacy. Even knocking on their front door could end in a confrontation if they deem your visit unappealing.
@@whyplaypiano2844 what city?
@@Murasame Suburbs south of Kansas City. Average home value is ~$432,800.
“Sanders cover a lot of sins” is my new go to woodworking saying. Thanks John. Us Boomers rock!
This needs to be a woodworking t-shirt, hah
My carpenter Brother always said, "we aren't building a piano"
Sander and paint makes me the woodworker I ain't :)
@@ihatepokemonthings Caulk makes the finish carpenter...
its like " grinder and paint makes me the welder i ain't "
I use to have the basic tools like old John and enjoyed making stuff. It has been 20 years since I built anything and I no longer have the tools or workshop. You guys have sparked a little flame in me to take on a few small projects. Really enjoyed the video & thanks so much.
Love the way Older John answering about wood movement! He makes a pretty good point.
I love the fact that even though they are neighbors they share not only in fun of building something but tools ,advice , and happiness. We need more people like those two
Yes we do.
Respect
in the past it was that way, now all looking their glass shards...
People like this exist in abundance dude. Not interested in why you think otherwise though. Certain it’s silly anyway 😂
@@EternalChamp Just gotta find a way to rain on someone's parade. I bet you are a blast to work with or live next to.
I'm going to give my vote to older John. Doing so much with the very basic tools is inspirational.
Myn also
The fact he got such good stuffs... and apparently inspired john junior. John senior wins.
older john is our version that stopped overthinking it and make us remember our art teacher who was in love with the beauty of keep it fast and minimal, since aint nobody got time for it anymore.
That is the whole truth. I miss that class in the school today, is so sad even young females do not know how to use a sewing machine and needle.😢
While Young John's table looks awesome, the skill that Older John displayed to piece together a beautifully engineered table out of pallets was even more awesome. Then to top it off Young John placed that heavy-looking Jakery on Older John's table and it did not budge. It told me all I needed to know. It was great to witness someone take discarded items and turn them into a would-be heirloom. Great job to both of you gentlemen, but Older John gets the nod this time!
John looks very damn great for 78 years old, I vote for his table because the quality he produced for the tools and wood he had is amazing
Ohhh, that's something I hadn't thought of. As a silver Smith I have the most ghetto bench used in the US lol. I like unique though. I really like how the younger John was taking time out of his build to go document the elder lol. That table top is pretty cool, though I like the unique desig you get John did. I like it.
I know right, reminds me of my granny, who looked like a 30 something 40yr old lady as an 80 yr old
I think the 2 million views in 10 days speaks to the quality of this content. Excellent video. Elder John is a gem and must be protected at all costs
Young John, I love your table but I really (!) love Old John’s table. I love the simplicity of his process.
Loved this video. The best thing about it was not the unique style and beauty of each table, but of the quality craftsmanship and commitment to excellence that both Johns showed. I've been dealing with my home renovation project that has gone on for over 3 years, lots of mistakes, lots of redos, construction consultants and lawyers and two contractors-both came highly recommended, now both gone. Bottom line for me, I'd take both tables but better yet, I'd take either or both of you to finish up my project. I wouldn't worry about cutting of corners (metaphorically!) or not finishing. You guys are worth your weight in gold, and bring me new faith in the trades. Bravo to men of integrity!
This guy is a treasure. What an awesome neighbor!
He would do amazing if he had his own channel or did more videos on this one
I know the guy !!
Sr.'s simplicity and the re-use of existing materials is a clear winner for me. The round table is beautiful, but for something you're going to leave outside season after season, i can see those 64 bits of wood coming apart in short order. The older material will almost certainly outlast.
Yeah I agree. Even if the round table is put somewhere it won't get rained on, the moisture in the air can easily warp it. John Sr's has already been weathered due to being palates, so I think his will last longer in more places. Both look great, but I also really like how Sr's has more surface area to put stuff on in the case of hosting a backyard party.
Loved Senior's use of reclaimed materials but just love the dynamic between these two unlikely buddies for life.
It's time for Golden Corral!
@@murasakirin8998 can put your feet up on it too. The round one… if one of those legs slightly warps whatevers on it will wind up on the ground.
If this was meant to be an outdoor table then its absolutely no contest...Sr. John is the winner and Golden Corral for everyone.
love the practicality & reuse of the pallets, but love the triangles & wood of younger john....kudos to both of you!!
Older John is a winner. Beautiful table he made. Younger John made a table where legs stylistically doesn't go with the table top.
I think John’s creativity with the tools he uses earns him a win. Both of you did a great job!
Old John for the win! Repurposed materials, tools most of us already have, his stability enhancement for the crosscut sled is genius, and the fact he called his table and heirloom piece.
Well said!
I agree. Old John ftw
Also, his table is much bigger. More space for more cans of beer!
@@DC9V More space for leftovers from the Golden Corral.
@@thatHARVguy or both! 🍗🌽🍻🍺
Older John gets my vote. We don't have a lot of fancy tools and he made something that would totally be doable for us, and definitely matches our decor (and budget) better...and showed us that we have been breaking down pallets the hard way!
Great friendly competition for individual designs. Each with is own character. I think that both of you win - won!
Seeing older John build a outdoor coffee table brings back very fond memories of watching my big Sister make an indoor coffee table out of pallets, while I played with my niece and nephew. Her only power tool was a circular saw that she’d gotten for Xmas and her woodworking attire consisted of a bikini, flip flops and safety glasses. Later that summer she was diagnosed with an inoperable brain tumor. She passed away the following summer at the age of 25. In a couple of wks. it would’ve been her 70th birthday. Young John’s design and construction is beautiful and “doesn’t suck” at all.😆 But, I have to go with older John’s table. It’s definitely something my Sis would’ve made in her backyard ‘wood shop’ with the same “dust collection system.”
Just wanted to say thank you for sharing that both sad and beautiful memory!
Very sorry for your loss.
Damn. How can Anyone compete with that? My heart goes out to you.
@@otpyrcralphpierre1742Is it a competition? I thought they were just sharing...
If you had both used the same wood and tools, the small table would win, but given the tools older John had to use and the fact that he recycled old pallets, I vote for his table. That being said, the small table is gorgeous.
Could you imagine trying to cut a circle on a chop saw or table saw? The younger John would have no chance of even finishing without his fancy tools.
That's where I land as well. To produce something that amazing with only a few tools in a backyard in such a reasonably short amount of time is wonderful. Granted, the round table is Pier-1 imports level, but let's face it, elder John made something new out of something old, and there's few things more wonderful.
I have "upcycled" things from pallet wood before and that alone gets my vote, because it's a major PITA. Old John made it look easy, but it IS NOT. It's quite possibly the most annoying and time/cost inefficient thing you can think of.
@@jimmypatton4982 Just cut an octagon and go to town with the belt sander like the good ol' days 🤪
The small table is fantastic, but for me the other one win. It shows true craftsmanship because the round one seems like a cheat. Look at it this way.... in today's world anyone with a computer can produce beautiful artwork. Before computer's only true artist could do it. Both works are great but one feels less valuable in terms of skills. Don't get me wrong... the new tech is great but it's just should never be compared to older methods. I vote for the boomer.
My vote goes to Older John, He demonstrate what true skill is all about.
You both won. As a carpenter for over 35 years; creating something usable is a contribution to society...And Projects like these will outlive the makers quite often. Good health to you both!
John had some great commentary, while John overcame some interesting challenges, but in the end I have to say John edged out a win.
Lol!
the correct answer
Yep.
I love this comment. 😅
And you win the comments section!
Boomer John has the win. Along with so many other comments, his thrifty use of materials & limited tools show his true skill. Great content!
Young John won this challenge but absolutely loved old John’s vibe and his work. You guys are great on camera together.
We need to see more of the old guy. He's great. He's making cool stuff and not using top tier single use tools. I vote for the boomer table. It's just cool.
"Are you at all worried about wood movement?...I' don't think I'll live long enough to worry about it" I'm rolling here. I love Old John! Excellent video!
I’ve now watched that scene over 50 times because of the editing process. And I still laugh every time. That was a gem
@@Lincolnstww As a new woodworker who is 57, it induces belly laughs and some cringe for me.
My dad said same thing about the detached garage roof when he reroofed it. Then a few years later, a wind storm blew down a big tree and crushed the garage. He then needed a new roof and a new garage. All is well now. Wasn't that funny when it happened.
Great video...a heartwarming friendship...and two pretty darn nice tables. That definitely does not suck! Congrats.
great video, i love the friendship you guys have... i converted an indoor/outdoor room to a full blown workshop, now all i need is a neighbor like john to make it more fun.
Both projects are awesome! I have to vote for older John’s pallet table. Using something that would otherwise be garbage, using tools that the every day wood worker can afford has my vote! Great challenge!
Exactly this! The round table sure looks more elaborate and would probably net a higher price in an auction, but given all the background, where the wood comes from, the setup and everything, I'm going with the pallet table too.
My thoughts exactly… the KISS model!
Old John made a table the other guy made a toe smasher.
Boomer John for the win. His eye for potential and resourcefulness was great to see. I'd love to see what he could do with your shop
Next Episode idea, they switch shops!
Righhhhttttt
Greetings from down under in Australia... I love this video! Both tables fantastic in their own way. This also makes me think about doing projects with my old man here at home and i love it. Keep it up guys!
The older man knows how to put out a beautiful product with less. Not to say the the young mans table top is not beautiful BUT the legs on that table remind me of the 60's/70's not a good look nor is it functional. Yet it's great to see their friendship, the whole video was fun to watch thank you I enjoyed it.
I do like millennial John's patern for the table top but if I had to vote between the two I would vote for boomer John's table because he took used wood and turned it into a wonderful looking design. He even took the time to arrange the wood colors properly so the design patern would be in sync when staining it. I applaud your skill.
Held together by screws as well unlike the other table held together by glue.
@shiralleehaggart72 Nails, not screws but there was also wood glue used on both. I just like that he made a fantastic table out of used wood. Anyone with basic woodworking skills can make something out of wood and if you take your time in designing it you can even make a great pattern in it but to take used wood and make, not only a design pattern but also a pattern that matches with the wood colors and grain, now that takes alot of skill.
@@shiralleehaggart72I voted boomer here, but hats off to the millennial for using real old school joinery and not using nails or screws, the true mark of a woodworker is making it stronger with joinery rather than screws or nails
@@shiralleehaggart72 Wood glue becomes are hard as the wood itself. Plus it was on a foundation
Boomer John's is something I'm impressed to make myself. While new M John's is what I would save up to buy.
I vote for older John's table, I was surprised by how he just took some pallets and turned them into a neat little piece of furniture + the limitations
Great to see you guys working together and having a good time doing it.
This is such an amazing way to display that talent is a gift that both of you have. It is definitely a tie. Everything about each table and workmanship is the best.
Your table is a work of art, but I have to give the win to older John, for banging out a table with recycled wood and a bare minimum setup that looked beautiful and dosent suck. Awesome video!!!!!
That wasn't a part of the qualifications for the competition
@@Daveeeeeeyhowyoudoing I didn't figure I would have to repeat the rules since they are in the video. But Older John meet the rules plus he "banged out a table with recycled wood and a bare minimum setup that looked beautiful and dosent suck." Thank you for keeping the contest honest, by pointing out the rules to multiple people that watched the video!
John's build really highlights the fact that with any hobby, whether it be woodworking, photography, or fishing. You don't need all the fancy gear to enjoy your hobby.
I really liked “Old Johns” table better, it has many more uses and your not afraid to use it. Yours is a piece of art, no doubt, but it’s SO nice, I’d be afraid I’d damage it.
That is a great point. The fancy gear is fun, but it also blows up your ego. I have a problem with buying the best in any hobby I engage in, and honestly it has taken me years to understand that I don’t need to waist money until I am absolutely sure I will continue to love it. Starting out cheap and simple is always the best way.
@@chrisviviano3271 The "best" is rarely needed, and often is overpriced for what you are buying. The "Worst" as in the cheapest crap is also bad - liable to cause more headaches than fix. Finding those solid, middle of the line brands tends to be the way to go... usually. And then there are the exceptions - the best paints tend to be much higher pigmented, meaning you can get more coverage out of them, and tinker with them to get the consistency you are after. The best brushes tend to last longer. And we can go onwards with this in terms of reliability, and more, but again - a lot of this is niche, and is really getting into specific items. So no - do not start out cheap. If you are wood working - go find out what basic tools are generally deemed reliable in the industry and use that, or use a comparable offering understanding what trade offs you are making in order to save a buck.
Younger John, my wife and I loved that teakoil treatment! While we love elder John's table (REALLY LOVED IT), we believe your table is the winnah! And it looks fantastic with your chairs too
I love them both. Each would serve a purpose. Love the friendship and the creativity
Nowadays, being able to afford all the "new fancy tools", is insane. Being able to use pallets in such a way, with limited amount of tools, is the genius we all need to learn!
Half of the fancy tools he used could be replaced by basic ingenuity. At one point younger John used some strange 'belt clamp' that could be mimicked by any basic winching knot, or even a belt. Woodworking has been done by simple means for thousands of years. The modern implements tend to sacrifice quality for convenience. That or they are extremely convenient due to using excessive tools. This youtuber could never make any money off furniture, since his equipment costs far more than anything he makes would ever be worth. KZhead has produced a fascinatingly useless type of woodworker who has ten thousands of dollars of equipment, and makes end tables worth about 50 dollars each, then earns 20 thousand dollars off ad revenue.
@@N8Dulcimer Definitely a good point. so many of these oversponsored channels are useless for anyone looking to learn a hobby to perhaps do something at home once in a while.
@@N8DulcimerI agree whole heartedly. This video was like watching Dunning-Kruger vs Reality. The inability to adapt to the situation and the smugness compounds on the inability to move at a pace that wouldn't get you fired on a jobsite or a workshop. Without advertising revenue these "construction performers" would be working retail. What's worse is you get "do it yourselfers" watching guys like this. Creating more people who can't hack it that smugly look at a real professional's tools box as if they're superior. Superior at what you clowns?
@@N8DulcimerActually anything that cuts time means more money. But having all this for the odd jobs around your home is a little crazy. Hell my dad did a ton of work with just a circular and jig saw. Not even a mitre saw.
@@HouseholdDog With modern mass manufacturing, custom work is the only thing that makes ANY money. Look at the end result. You could find similar from an overseas factory for under 150$. Hell, under 50 if you don't mind the top being a veneer. Two days of nose to the grindstone working round the clock to produce a table that could maybe be sold for a few hundred dollars. Subtract 50 for the materials and power supply, assume around 12 hours of work a day (since he implied he was working overtime to get it done) and he's not even making California minimum wage. That is *BEFORE* you take into account *ANY* of the expensive tools! xD The truth is anything you can make with fancy tools, a factory can crank out 1000 of, with pretty good precision in the same time. If you want to profit at woodworking you need math skills, carving skills, and restoration skills. That or learn how to use CNC. Point being, for tools to save you money, you have to breakeven on the cost of those tools before any money you make counts as profit. If I make 300$ tables on a $3,000 table saw, and the wood costs 50$ and I want to get paid 150$, I'd need to make 30 tables just to buy that table saw.
Never watched one of your videos before; just a random fluke of the algorithm. Younger John, your table is gorgeous, and as others have said, it easily belongs inside. Know nothing about you, but this was clearly outside of your comfort zone, due to the time crunch, but think you've clearly learned you're more than capable of doing great work without obsessing over every little detail. That said: John the Elder created am amazing, sturdy table that emphasized his versatility, frugalness and skill. Not to mention working with far simpler tools *and* creating his own solutions to address their shortcomings. You're both amazing craftsmen, but you owe that gent his Exact Change trip to the Golden Corral. Your neighbor is a treasure and he's worth it!
Well said.
This comment wins!
Having you two as neighbors would be any wood workers dream come true. I have a place in my house for both tables. Great video guy's!
Old John. His work is beautiful
you need to make this competition a regular event. the contrast between your styles and methods was very entertaining.
Yes!! !!!!!!!!! A regular event with different challenges!
I love that Elder John re-used wood that could have gone to a landfill otherwise, and still made a great piece. He's got my vote and I hope this becomes a series!
I would totally watch this as a series. New challenges each time.
True conservation
We all need to get back to that practice. We don't need to rip out and discard everything just because we'd rather the look of something else. If you really can't live with something that isn't rotting, invite people who reuse materials to come take it out. Then install what you want.
Yea a series would be cool
First time watching one of your videos. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Thanks for the insight into woodworking and sharing your craft. Very entertaining. Cheers.
I love those chairs! Mid-century modern. Beautiful.
Gotta give props to Old Man John for owning a workshop that fits in a shed. God Bless you guys!!! Teaching trade work is essential!!
Can't work outside on rainy days.
@@martincollins6632 I'm 35 and if his arthritis at 78 is anything like mine, I doubt he does much on rainy days.
@@martincollins6632 i know that feeling
Yeah, and at 18.49 he is literally using the Jackery to run the sander with it covered in dust. Explains the bad acting at the end.
I’m voting pallet table for the win. Don’t get me wrong, the other is modern and beautiful. If the two were side by side and I had to set a sweaty cold beer on one, I’d choose the pallet table because if it got a sweat ring, it would add character, the other table would need a refinish. If I needed to quickly set down an alternator for a min, pallet table it is as it appears more stable and less likely to tip. You get the pict. Both are great for their own space. Really cool of you to give him the Jack! What a great gesture!
alright... that is one of the best woodwork channel vids I have ever seen. As cozy of a watch as This Old House, 20 years ago. Great vid. Thanks for all the content. I am learning a lot.
Honestly ... the wonderful male friendship that you both are blessed with outshines the quality of both your works which are each in their own way phenomenal of themselves ... frankly throughout the video i wasnt thnking of your WW skills, or tricks but of the bond you have built and i suffered the sin of envy... wonderful to see such wonderful creative talents
I hate to say, but I've definitely fallen into the millennial trap of stressing over perfection, but with a house to renovate in 4 months before a new tiny family member, this video helped me appreciate my dad's "just get it done" attitude
Supposedly I'm a "millennial". Not a perfectionist. Near enough is generally good enough for me
That hit so close to home I almost cried
Hmm..I wonder if there is any truth to that millennial generalization. It is for me!
Lol my Dad is somewhat of a perfectionist, but Man does he make it look easy, he's an amazing carpenter and works fast I always admired his work and work ethic growing up seeing everything he did for us I'm glad my younger siblings didn't experience what it was like "camping" I remember that day he said we're going camping God I hated fish I got tired of it, loved deer and moose tho, when I got older I realized that wasn't camping we couldn't afford rent and my Dad made the best of it, he made it fun I learned how to fish and hunt from him I always say I hope to become half the Man he is and I'm proud to have a Dad like him.
Im a millenial and my dad is a perfectionist. Ive watched him cost people plenty of money on his own persuit of perfection. There are levels of "good enough" and there are levels of trying to push perfection so far it becomes detrimental. For instance. When setting tile on a wall, my father likes to make a 1/32 gap at the inside corners. Sometimes even tight. This makes caulking corners basically undoable because there is such little room that the caulking cant do its job right and will break just like grout would in this scenerio. Not to mention the fact that things need room to expand and contract, if there isnt, things bend or break. For me 1/16th is ideal for functionality. To him im setlling for good enough, but to me, he's pushing too far and creating an inferior product that looks marginally better to his eye. Meanwhile the homeowner walks into either and says "wow it looks beautiful!" My father will try to get you to redo the framing and drywall in your master bedroom and hallway, so his shower in the guest bath will meld perfectly into the house...
I love the fact that older John can get such amazing results with very basic tools and good ‘ole ingenuity. Also, I want to see you go to Golden Corral- for this reason - I vote the pallet table. But your mid century mid life crisis table is a true work of art.
Hey, Always remember “ it’s the poor craftsman that blames his tools “ !!
I say go with a tie both were amazing using reclaimed wood and limited tools was incredible. But the millennial tables pattern was also a piece of art. I say tie
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Elder John wins 100%. So impressed ❤ The young John table was pretty and clever but have to give it to the Elder. Wish I had 1% that skill 🎉
I’m a few days late to the party. Just found your channel today. Older John FTW. His table not only rescued junk, but in the end it is far more practical and useful.
I gotta put my vote in for John Sr. Often people think it takes tons of fancy tools to make nice stuff but he shows you can do a whole heck of a lot with simple tools and a little ingenuity.
Beautiful as the pattern & angles on younger John's table are, Older John gets my vote, Merely on the functionality of his table. I suffered with smallish round end tables in my living room for years. With no place to stack my clutter! ☹️. I can see a table with garden tools setting beside my iced tea with his larger surface table.
I like how the video maker stacked the contest. "Build something you haven't made before" He's a 78 year old wood worker, he's probably made everything composed of wood, TWICE by now.
I like projects using reclaimed wood. It gives the item character and a story. And the fact that older John was able to build his coffee table with the minimum of tools is a big point in his favor. Both tables are stylish and will perform their functions, but I have to go with Old John as the winner.
After retirement, my Dad started making furniture out of pallet wood. Also inspired his grandson to become a carpenter. This episode brought back some fond memories.
John's work is amazing and rustic, I love it!
Hi John, Loved this series of videos with the older John. What a great idea and visual execution. By the way, I was born and raised in Greenville, SC. So, from one South Carolinian to another… “right On, right On!” Gil