Here’s Why Intel’s CPUs Are Struggling

2024 ж. 15 Мам.
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  • ► Check out today's hottest tech deals here: www.ufd.deals/ geni.us/kN4mYuv howl.me/cl821cLDPTL geni.us/sqJ7

    @UFDTech@UFDTech16 күн бұрын
  • Here's the problem with Intel throwing their board partners under the bus... they not only condoned this in an interview with Dr. Ian Cutress, they said that it was within spec. Regardless, this was within Intel's control, they could have stopped this YEARS ago and chose not to, because it only helped them out. It finally bit them in the ass, so they pass the beck to the board partners. They gambled and lost. I assume that they're doing this so they can screw over people who's chips have degraded and refuse them a replacement.

    @TheGameBench@TheGameBench16 күн бұрын
    • Intel has always done this. That’s why they are losing relevance across the board.

      @John-PaulHunt-wy7lf@John-PaulHunt-wy7lf15 күн бұрын
    • to be fair the board partners SHOULD have defaulted to stock spec and only OC'd by user specific request.

      @jeremytine@jeremytine11 күн бұрын
    • @@jeremytine Should they have? Of course. However, it has always been under Intel's control to mandate that it wasn't enabled by default, but didn't. This isn't a recent issue and he been going on for some time. Regardless of what the board partners should, or should not have done, Intel could have prevented this. However, they not only condoned it, they stated it was fine and only changed course once people started having issues. I'm sorry, but this is ENTIRELY Intel's fault.

      @TheGameBench@TheGameBench11 күн бұрын
    • @@TheGameBench when did Intel say it was fine to overvolt? Citation needed... It isn't intel's responsibility that board manufacturers follow spec.

      @jeremytine@jeremytine11 күн бұрын
    • @@jeremytine First, let's get something straight... they're not overvolting the processors. That isn't the issue there. What they're doing is setting the power limits too aggressive. Regardless if they were overvolting or if they're setting the power limits to aggressive, it is absolutely withing Intel's control. They control what boards can and can't have the multiplier unclocked. They control what boards can enable XMP. They are absolutely in control of the power limits. As for citation, it was in an interview with Dr. Ian Cutress where they said that it was not only fine, but was within spec. I suggest you watch the Hardware Unboxed video on this. They explain everything, and point out why this clearly falls at Intel's feet. And it talks about the fact that Intel was well aware of what they've been doing, has allowed it to go on for years, has condoned it because they benefited from it, and with how aggressive the boosting algorithms are, it has now blown up in their face and they see fit to pass the buck. Regardless... it doesn't matter how you cut it, Intel has total control and they did nothing about it. It is their fault.

      @TheGameBench@TheGameBench11 күн бұрын
  • Silly, Brett. Everyone knows stock isn't for motherboards. Stock is for soup. You like soup, right? You should know this.

    @jackielinde7568@jackielinde756816 күн бұрын
    • Is that why stock cars are souped up?

      @johndzwon1966@johndzwon196616 күн бұрын
    • @@johndzwon1966 Toche, my friend. You win this round.

      @jackielinde7568@jackielinde756816 күн бұрын
    • 😂😂😂 ​@@johndzwon1966

      @Adamsgotgame@Adamsgotgame16 күн бұрын
  • leave it to intel to sell unlocked chips for overclocking that you can't actually overclock......

    @robb037@robb03716 күн бұрын
    • 13th and 14th gen are just 12th gen refreshes... maybe if they put out a new CPU?

      @omfgbunder2008@omfgbunder200816 күн бұрын
    • @@omfgbunder2008 yes i know, but you have to be careful, the intel fanboys get offended with facts Intel < AMD

      @robb037@robb03716 күн бұрын
    • Yea well they are unlocked for underclocking tho ;) Same as amd to be fair

      @kosajk@kosajk16 күн бұрын
    • Tbh both sides are easly ofended, I got 7800x3d and i would not say they have appealing thermal work culture

      @kosajk@kosajk16 күн бұрын
    • ​@robb037 To be fair, Ryzen chips were initially exploding too when overclocked. So, it's not just Intel.

      @floydefisher@floydefisher16 күн бұрын
  • Yeah sure intel....after you did that whole snake oil thing you lost all your goodwill.

    @testpilot.@testpilot.16 күн бұрын
    • They pulled the ol' LTT "trust me bro."

      @larry258@larry25816 күн бұрын
  • W take on Intel, I really think it would be fair to rebenchmark the cpus at the "stock" settings so consumers can make actual documented choices between cpus

    @Dan_Diaconescu@Dan_Diaconescu16 күн бұрын
    • Who within the mainstream benchmarked overclocked CPUs against one another? There is simply too much variability beyond the stated guaranteed performance. Have you ever heard of golden samples? Oh well, another pure gamer who doesn't deal with productivity, scientific applications... Check the stability of AMD versus Intel. Our computer engineering department won't touch them. I asked a comp sci professor, "Why not?" He said he needed it to work right out of the box.

      @squirrel6687@squirrel668716 күн бұрын
  • Brett, remember to consider the video card pricing across the multiverse and how much you are saving when purchasing in the Aphla universe.

    @Archangelrey1@Archangelrey116 күн бұрын
  • Shintel: hey board partners, please make sure that our CPUs win in benchmarks against Ryzen! Board makers: okay, we'd set our boards to give your CPUs as much power as it wants! Shintel: yay nice, its expected behavior trust me [Shintel CPUs gets overwhelmed and facing stability issues due to silicon degradation, customers are returning tons of 14900k's] Shintel: Board partners!!! Why the hell are you giving our CPUs unlimited power??? Youre running it out of spec!!! Our spec is 253W!!!

    @coveps1325@coveps132516 күн бұрын
    • I blame it on both Intel and the Motherboard Maufacters (Asrock did include a stock or default setting that is within the power limits of Intel) as Intel should have monitored them better to implement it. As far as the motherboard manufacturers goes make sure they don’t push the cpu too hard. In the future I will be going with Asrock Motherboards.

      @AnonymousUser-ww6ns@AnonymousUser-ww6ns16 күн бұрын
    • @@AnonymousUser-ww6ns asrock boards quality is pretty good anyways they made by asus but actually have a stock setting

      @josephdias5859@josephdias585915 күн бұрын
  • No big loss with MSI. They have the worst low end models on the market. The Ventus is usually the measuring stick of the lowest price and for good reason. Horrible cooler, bad contact, bad thermals. MSI isn't nearly on the level of EVGA.

    @Sybertek@Sybertek16 күн бұрын
    • So does Asus, random QC, terrible after sales, rattling fan and product dies shortly after warranty ends. Gigabyte is no better, cheap out on pcbs and cause their gpus to Crack and not honor consumers warranty.

      @megurinemiku8201@megurinemiku820116 күн бұрын
    • ​@@OctagonalSquareabsolutely. I keep hoping they stay in the GPU game and jump on with AMD or Intel.

      @jskop566@jskop56616 күн бұрын
    • Yeah. MSI card cooler for AMD are just repurpose Nvidia cooler anyway. 6/7000 series always been using Nvidia cooler. now that EVGA no longer making card, MSI now are a full partner of Nvidia GPP.

      @noobgamer4709@noobgamer470916 күн бұрын
    • god i miss evga. my first gpu was a evga 970. that thin still works too this DAY in my sisters pc for valorant. EVGA needs too come back

      @DementedLessons@DementedLessons16 күн бұрын
    • I wish Sapphire made NVidia cards.

      @r0bw1l73@r0bw1l7316 күн бұрын
  • Hey Brett, question I have an Intel 13 gen I7-13700K processor with a MSI mobo should I be downloading a new bios and downgrading to the Intel default settings? Or is that only for people running I9’s that are having issues? Hope you see my question. Thanks 😊

    @michaelmorgan7754@michaelmorgan775416 күн бұрын
    • Jay2C has a video detailing the "features" for Asus/Gigabyte/MSI that you would want to turn off. Having a K series means if your board has these boosting abilities the CPU will accept them. One of the 2/3 settings you're looking for is "Game Boost" on an MSI.

      @larry258@larry25816 күн бұрын
  • 147? Does that include board revisions?

    @MandoMTL@MandoMTL16 күн бұрын
  • From my experience, not Asus but MSI Mobo there are default "OC" settings, for Stock, Box and Water cooler, but straight from the box the Water one was set, even when box cooler was connected.

    @StroggKingu@StroggKingu16 күн бұрын
  • thankful for XFX cards right now. got a xfx 7900xtx beautiful card and hella powerful

    @DementedLessons@DementedLessons16 күн бұрын
    • XFX is a great board partner. I’ve had 2 cards from them. Currently a 6750XT

      @ZekeLawl@ZekeLawl16 күн бұрын
    • @@ZekeLawl i bought a 6600xt from them about a year and a half ago and it was a fantastic lowend card. i just love XFXs simple stye and very little rgb like on my 7900xtx its just the XFX that has white lights in it thats it. ive heard their Customer service isnt thaaaaat great but i kinda expect it with any of the companies so

      @DementedLessons@DementedLessons16 күн бұрын
    • Just got an RX 6800 XFX swift yesterday. It's beast for $380, and looking good while doing it.

      @devongreen7308@devongreen730816 күн бұрын
    • 👏

      @ranjitmandal1612@ranjitmandal161214 күн бұрын
  • Man I so hope the Desktop Battle mage can scale to those mobile parts with those benchmarks!

    @thetheoryguy5544@thetheoryguy554416 күн бұрын
  • The mousepad at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="809">13:29</a> is called "The Way Way Back Machine" from the Intel Artist series

    @meatbunftw@meatbunftw16 күн бұрын
  • The Intel baseline profile just turns on CEP and brings your PL1/2 + ICCMax values down to the minimum. You also have a performance profile and if your on the 14900KS there's even an Extreme profile, but you have to go in and edit these values yourself to get either of those profiles.

    @TheAJKid@TheAJKid16 күн бұрын
  • <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="716">11:56</a> you also didn’t consider the tax rate on the interest earned on your savings compared with the inflation rate /s

    @davidburk4546@davidburk454616 күн бұрын
  • Dang Intel's "2 fast 2 furious" dilemma

    @HuarachesPlaysTv@HuarachesPlaysTv16 күн бұрын
  • The problem is 100% on intel, I tried the intel baseline profile and it's horrible. The performance loss is too large, Intel needs to pay for false advertising. I'm running mine as it was previously since the new baseline profile is horrible.

    @JustGRP@JustGRP16 күн бұрын
  • Pretty sure I had an asus board back in the day, ddr3 with my 4790k. It had a profile that would overclock the cpu and it would keep scaling it up or down based on stability. And be constantly checking on the cpu voltage and frequency. Pretty sure that was a thing. So.....?

    @FINNIUSORION@FINNIUSORION16 күн бұрын
  • That’s funny how you mention Jayztwocent I remember his videos regarding the mobo issues.

    @ElTeeger@ElTeeger16 күн бұрын
  • <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="19">0:19</a> Went to my local Best Buy a few days ago and the only nvidia gpus they had in stock were the 4060 and 4060 ti around 3 or 4 each. All other 40 series gpus were sold out. The 60 cards just aren't selling at all in my area. So it makes sense that nvidia would slow or even stop production for them since noone wants them.

    @lizardguts73@lizardguts7316 күн бұрын
  • Never, ever, underestimate corporate stupidity.

    @dobermanownerforlife3902@dobermanownerforlife390216 күн бұрын
  • I bet that AMD will see massive profits with their approach to the rx8000 series, because it seems that they will blow everything out the water with price to performance. And with the economie its just a smart move to cater to the majority of people who dont have 1200$ to spend on a damn gpu.

    @HNTAutumnleaf@HNTAutumnleaf16 күн бұрын
    • I think it’s optimistic to think nvidia are targeting $1200…

      @andyastrand@andyastrand16 күн бұрын
    • They likely won't because of the money wasted on R&D of the cancelled high end RDNA4 cards. Their most expensive cards make them the most profit, not lower end ones. For Nvidia and AMD one 4090 tier card is worth more sold than several low end ones.

      @riven4121@riven412116 күн бұрын
    • Copium. A healthy dose at that.

      @squirrel6687@squirrel668716 күн бұрын
    • 👏

      @ranjitmandal1612@ranjitmandal161214 күн бұрын
  • Brett you missed the point of Jayztwocents video. The motherboard should come with the stock bios enabled and allow the users to tinker and modify it. Not come directly out of the box with everything crancked to 11 and beyond. Too much voltage injected into the CPU and removing all the limiters will result in CPU's dying.

    @Teksers@Teksers15 күн бұрын
  • I overclock my i5 12600k to the moon and it chews it up and spits out performance beyond what it “should”

    @markstoney44@markstoney4416 күн бұрын
  • If I update the ASUS bios will I lose the ability to put more than 300W of power to the CPU?

    @gerber8915@gerber891516 күн бұрын
  • Maybe next year we will finally see the sub 35W or even sub 25W CPU + iGPU or APU package ready for 1080p 50 or 60 fps for a ton of games? That would take battery life, handhelds and mobile market in general to the next level for x86

    @estebanguerrero682@estebanguerrero68216 күн бұрын
  • <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="738">12:18</a> This is a fair point. I hereby correct "You've got to take" to "I would have taken." No one person (or even small group) should be expected to know about every minutia, let alone take them into account.

    @pandapip1@pandapip116 күн бұрын
  • The dwindling supply is not that they trying to make the price high but Manufacturers are shifting into Quantum or something which are more Expensive per unit but much much more profitable. Instead of full time manufacturing of graphic cards it became haft.

    @pillow2k@pillow2k15 күн бұрын
  • <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="92">1:32</a> MSI*

    @sitordan@sitordan16 күн бұрын
  • Still not understanding the intel case, are the CPUs running in boost specs or over the boost spec ?

    @nanoatic@nanoatic16 күн бұрын
    • Well, you see, that's complicated. According to Intel, a few months back: it's all within the limits and how it's supposed to be running. According to Intel now: it's outside the limits and killing CPUs These are Shrödinger limits 😅

      @Osaka2407@Osaka240716 күн бұрын
  • For a frist time Full AMD it ASRock PG Riptide B650M + 7800X3D + Sapphire Pulse RX 7900 XT 20GB and no problems ATM 7 month it this build Micro ATX and Im a happy guy playing AT 1440p 😊

    @albertovilela9015@albertovilela901516 күн бұрын
  • Silly Brett, you don't take into account people's savings behaviors when talking about GPU's. That's CPU talk. No, Everybody knows you take those GPU savings and apply them to your home loan payments to further decrease that principle you're being charged interest on.

    @jackielinde7568@jackielinde756816 күн бұрын
  • On the reason for the cancellation for the Navi41 and Navi42 GPUs, it was initially stated when the announcements came out that AMD's engineers were having difficulty with their next step of combining multiple dies, in which their RDNA5 engineers were able to solve the complications for RDNA5 but could not effectively apply it back on RDNA4 in a timely manner. Due to these challenges, AMD cancelled the 2 multi-die models for RDNA4 and focus on the Navi44 and Navi48 chips. With RDNA3, AMD was able to separate the memory controllers onto their own dies, giving more room on the central compute die. RDNA4 was suppose to break the major GPU components into their own dies to grant scalability through multiple dies. Think of each die providing a 2 Render Pipe GPU (Render Pipes are the GPU equivalent to CPU cores). The problem with such segmentation is linking the internal communication bus and coordinating those render pipes like a single die GPU. It is like the initial problems of driver/hardware based multiGPU builds, splitting the load between multiple discrete GPUs. RDNA4 could have been having load splitting issues between the render pipe dies, but AMD had the solution ready for RDNA5 which was in its infancy, while it was a little late into RDNA4's development for a paradigm shift. Although, AMD could have had an opportunity to provide a special refresh of Navi31 during the RX 8000 era, but it may have been too late for a RDNA 3.5 refresh of Navi31 with possibility of using RDNA4 or RDNA5's memory I/O dies.

    @LBXZero@LBXZero16 күн бұрын
  • ngl tech youtubers should do more! while you are checking the average APRs you should come up with a way to save the Swiss economy for when UBS goes under xD

    @curties@curties16 күн бұрын
  • Having toast right now. Excited to have my first Brettfast after all these years!

    @mrtempertantrum@mrtempertantrum16 күн бұрын
    • Welcome to the club. The great thing about Brettfast is that you can enjoy it at any time of day, so some days I enjoy a burger at Brettfast.

      @jeffreydurham2566@jeffreydurham256616 күн бұрын
  • Battlemage looks good for ultra thin and light laptops.

    @cemsengul16@cemsengul1616 күн бұрын
  • As an amateur tech enthusiast I'm a little confused on how Intel CPUs are suffering this level of instability, but it's only the motherboard vendor's fault?? This isn't like the situation with the x3d chips where only Asus were blowing up their chips, ya know? All motherboard vendors are doing and Intel just "didn't know"? I wish AMD and Intel would force motherboard vendors to release an AI undervolting utility in their BIOS to adjust for the silicone quality of each chip. They havs an AI tuner in there to overvolt and overclock, why not undervolt?

    @the_shameless@the_shameless16 күн бұрын
  • Ngreedia creating another artificial shortage to milk as much money as possible who would've thought? 🤔 AMD being the follower as always, doesn't want to release good GPUs since if they're leading they can't follow Ngreedia. Business standpoint I understand because what they're doing is leading Ngreedia into a minefield to see which things consumers will accept or hate so they can follow after, from consumer standpoint I'm pissed because this is just going to drive the prices up more as the choices are lessened and the supplies are lacking.

    @hill2hell@hill2hell16 күн бұрын
    • Jensen's leather jacket needs a new Yatch

      @visitante-pc5zc@visitante-pc5zc16 күн бұрын
    • Well both ceo are families.

      @liesandy291@liesandy29116 күн бұрын
    • 💀

      @ranjitmandal1612@ranjitmandal161214 күн бұрын
  • I could not find a amd gpu laptop under 1358+ dolar so you see the problem when I can buy a 6gb 3050 with i5 13h for 741. I go for the affordable price.

    @mert6230@mert623016 күн бұрын
  • thats why im glad i went with an asrock board as they already had a solution for it. load intel base power in easy mode

    @fekertheasian6724@fekertheasian672416 күн бұрын
  • For the GPU reviews video, the difference in power cost really showed how little it mattered, and only started to matter with high energy prices. The one nagging question I had from the video was .... does that difference in wattage translate into a meaningful difference in heat output?

    @CameronVanNatta@CameronVanNatta16 күн бұрын
    • Sure, that is a straight outcome, more W also generate more heat, similar like you have a 1000W heater with 2 options, option 1 use 500W and option 2 use the full 1000W, that directly noticeable in the generated heat too.

      @TamasKiss-yk4st@TamasKiss-yk4st16 күн бұрын
  • They are literally over-powered last last last gen processors being pushed to the physical limits. Amd does almost the same for games on like half the power budget then has threadripped for commercial applications

    @1584283@158428316 күн бұрын
  • may I just ask how come there's not a word of EK malpractices in today's episode of hot news? I mean it literally is The Hottest News at the moment. well, unless you count intel's heat from all the unlimited power thingy.

    @inkredebilchina9699@inkredebilchina969916 күн бұрын
  • MSI AMD card missing are just GPP in effect as now EVGA no longer making card.

    @noobgamer4709@noobgamer470916 күн бұрын
  • As hardware unboxed mention in their video they literally saw this coming of intel going to throw the mobo maker under the bus and intel said mce is “IN SPEC”

    @christopherthao9151@christopherthao915116 күн бұрын
  • The only mistake about the GPU review that I really could nitpick, is just looking at averages when the lows were very comparable. Yes the RTX was faster in average, but also less consistent frametimes *on raytracing games*. So, you might get a slightly better experience if you want consistent frametimes.

    @Braiam@Braiam16 күн бұрын
  • Some reports says the snapdragon X chips are scams. The performance is not real and manufacturers are unable to match those numbers. Some even call it celeron of this era. I really hope the chip performs well.

    @einstien2409@einstien240916 күн бұрын
  • in Germany we say : "Intel du hast fertig" 😂

    @maxim4104@maxim410416 күн бұрын
  • I want that mouse pad. So cool.

    @Kifey8183@Kifey818316 күн бұрын
  • It's like when movies are done bad, and they blame the moviegoers.

    @EbonKim@EbonKim16 күн бұрын
    • Not exatly it's more like blaming theaters for screening it wrong or not how it was intended

      @techasas@techasas15 күн бұрын
  • <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="220">3:40</a> - Not the first time AMD has done this...their was a Higher-End version of Polaris with 2560 cores, and performed like a GTX1070-Ti...but it was cancelled and re-used in the XBOX One-X. The 5700XT may have also had a higher-end 5800XT, but in that case, it was barely faster than the RTX-2080-Super, and much slower than the RTX-2080-Ti and the 5700XT was already almost as fast as the RTX-2080-Vanilla. THAT GPU was die-shrunk, had some RDNA2 bits put in and put in the PS5. That's why the GPU in the PS5 is comparable to a RX-6700-vanilla. If the 5700XT, had some ray-tracing abilities, it would basically be a RX-6700. MAYBE, the PS5-Pro will be based on the canceled 8900XT ?

    @mraltoid19@mraltoid1916 күн бұрын
    • Interesting idea but the 8900 xt was set for almost 80 tflops and the ps5 pro is rumored to have like 33 tflops

      @JustPsychoo69@JustPsychoo6916 күн бұрын
    • 😮

      @ranjitmandal1612@ranjitmandal161214 күн бұрын
  • Too bad about MSI dumping Radeon. I have a premium model MSI Radeon 6700 XT and it's a splendid product that runs quietly even with a decent overclock.

    @benzost920@benzost92016 күн бұрын
    • get the sapphire, or xfx variants of AMD gpu's. imo they look far better than MSI

      @awaiswasi354@awaiswasi35416 күн бұрын
    • Honestly MSI did themselfs a favor. Now Cosumers will get better products on the AMD side.

      @AnonymousUser-ww6ns@AnonymousUser-ww6ns16 күн бұрын
    • @@AnonymousUser-ww6ns No, they won’t, lol.

      @calvin659@calvin65916 күн бұрын
    • 👏

      @ranjitmandal1612@ranjitmandal161214 күн бұрын
    • @@awaiswasi354 I don't understand Sapphire's marketing. Why would a company that exists to craft GPU's for "Team Red" name their company after a gemstone that is blue? As an impressionable consumer, perhaps I should indeed consider XFX. They certainly have the most X's in their products, and it's common knowledge that the quality of a product is positively associated with the number of X's in its name.

      @benzost920@benzost92014 күн бұрын
  • I always preferred Intel, and was prepared to buy intel even knowing that they were not quite as powerful because i was familiar with them. I changed my mind when i started researching for my new computer. When i heard that the default settings were overclocked and that intel was letting this happen i knew they has lost reliability. Hearing that it is causing damage is only confirmation that i should jump ship. Why stick with a company that has proven itself dishonest. Might as well try out AMD and am jumping ship with ASUS as well, are their any reliable motherboard companies that did not participate in this over clocking? I only have brand loyalty when they are reliable.

    @ttrev007@ttrev00716 күн бұрын
  • Intel: the chips are overclockable but they probably can't do it so not our fault

    @toastsniffer@toastsniffer16 күн бұрын
  • I really feel like we need a stock mode on AMD and Intel motherboards that get used for reviews. I know that I am biased towards AMD cpus, but the 14900k launch reviews are technically not the performance we would be getting using one with the stocm profile today

    @GonnerMeLeggies@GonnerMeLeggies16 күн бұрын
    • So about that, watched Jayztwocents and Hardware Unboxed videos over the past weekend. Jay made mention that AMD does enforce their default settings with the motherboard manufacturers. (I can't confirm this, just taking his word) And Hardware Unboxed ran a new test using a couple Intel boards on manufactures' stock versus Intel stock specifications. That being said, this would mean that it is possible most or nearly all reviews of Intel versus AMD would be (in a sense) OC Intel vs stock AMD. Now, Hardware Unboxed conclusion showed a few percentages less on games at, roughly 3-5% range difference. Any reviews of AMD chips overclocked would probably be a more accurate comparison of most of those Intel reviews. Comparison reviews may need to be redone at Intel specifications to really show the difference.

      @cremer2027@cremer202716 күн бұрын
  • <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="308">5:08</a> That has to be sent to Linus Tech Tips, that awesome!

    @iliasdimGT@iliasdimGT16 күн бұрын
  • Intel: What a Mother..... Board

    @okman9684@okman968416 күн бұрын
  • Woah. That's some cool news.

    @terabyte38@terabyte3816 күн бұрын
  • What’s high voltage for an Intel cpu these days? Tell us Intel!

    @Akkbar21@Akkbar2116 күн бұрын
  • Um 7900xtx is a power hungry master 2x cores means 2X power if nothing else changes so that probably why

    @llcooljay66@llcooljay6616 күн бұрын
  • The intel gpu thing has me shaking in my boots I have the titan a770 and I’m more than comfortable to giving it to my non pc friend so that I can get the new card when it gets here I love the price that I got the a770 for for the performance I cannot wait to

    @user-hd8iq6dp9m@user-hd8iq6dp9m15 күн бұрын
  • Intel: *"Yes officer, it's stock."*

    @infiniterift@infiniterift16 күн бұрын
  • Intel better hop on the ARM wave before it’s too late!

    @B.Ch3rry@B.Ch3rry16 күн бұрын
    • They can't. If they do then they'd drop support for almost all the support for the x86 software and people will buy, you won't guess, AMD CPUs for their desktops and laptops.

      @Hardcore_Remixer@Hardcore_Remixer16 күн бұрын
    • @@Hardcore_Remixer So you’re saying Intel can’t make both x86 and ARM processors concurrently?

      @B.Ch3rry@B.Ch3rry16 күн бұрын
    • @@B.Ch3rry No. I thought you were suggesting that Intel should switch completely from x86 to ARM. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

      @Hardcore_Remixer@Hardcore_Remixer16 күн бұрын
  • I know core i7 skews don't make much of the news, but I hope UFD team sees this: My 13700k also had stability issues a few month ago with ASUS AI overclocking after performing well (5.8 GHz boosts) for over 6 months. I had to reduce the overclock to boost to 5.4 GHz for stability. It was really frustrating for me and felt like money wasted on Intel and Z690 strix board. Intel used to be the good ol' reliable one, but I tell you my next platform will be AMD...

    @sinakhodaie@sinakhodaie16 күн бұрын
    • You will slip on the wrong side. Then AMD will be the one with troubles. After AM5 AMD will be far behind intel. Just watch out.

      @MrTrailerus@MrTrailerus16 күн бұрын
  • I really hope the AMD cards not doing high end cards is just rumor and are false. If they could bring out the 200cu gpu it would be a real monster

    @not_so_native_native@not_so_native_native16 күн бұрын
    • It's been confirmed by multiple reliable leakers to be true. This is the same reason why the 7900XTX went from a 4090 competitor to a 4080 competitor internally and externally over at AMD overnight. There is a problem with RDNA 3's MCM architecture that causes it to not hit the performance targets AMD boasted about. RDNA 4 is a derivative of RDNA 3 and suffers from the same problems.

      @riven4121@riven412116 күн бұрын
    • @@riven4121 yeah didn't know there was such a mcm issue, but it makes sense now you saying it. Explains alot tbh i wish amd had its larger gpus as a dual die 180 cu beast would really crush a 4090

      @not_so_native_native@not_so_native_native16 күн бұрын
  • The blame falls purely on Intel because they did not force motherboard partners to include an actual stock specification.

    @cemsengul16@cemsengul1616 күн бұрын
  • I blame Intel as they knew all along that's what was happening. I blame the Motherboard manufactures, they knew that the BIOS was set for overclock. I blame the end user! how many people were buying high end Motherboards and CPUs knowing that they were overclocked out the door. In fact many of those high-end systems were being over-overclocked by the end user, as that's what they were buying into. Overclocking comes with the inherent issues that has happened, and has always been an issue. Extra performance comes with a price not just a $ price (or your equivalent) When people stop buying into this mindset manufactures will stop, but really who wants that. Quicker, better, faster, more...

    @daishi5571@daishi557116 күн бұрын
  • $30 saved on power will get you a cheap 512 GB ssd. Every 2 years, 1TB drive, is a decent little upgrade, you will like.

    @deilusi@deilusi16 күн бұрын
  • I mean it is motherboards faults, asus alwaus had " enforce all limits" in bios

    @kwakes212@kwakes21216 күн бұрын
  • who are they kidding, they spent that $30 on hot cheeto puffs

    @jpartlow01@jpartlow0116 күн бұрын
  • Of course there will be a low demand for the RTX 4060TI, it is a very bad gpu with , PCI-E X8 and 128 BIT BUS.

    @misterPAINMAKER@misterPAINMAKER16 күн бұрын
  • Lunar Lake beating MTL isn't really such a surprise considering just how bad MTL is. The problem is MTL was supposed to be significantly better, and so basically Intel's entire stack is behind where they have to be to hit AMD hard. It's going to be another rough few years for Intel.

    @seeibe@seeibe16 күн бұрын
  • We are going to release the new K series chip. Just don't OC it K

    @brianramsey414@brianramsey41416 күн бұрын
  • I seen Manor Lords on Steam, faintly recall hearing about it, the trailer looks pretty decent if a medieval strat/builder is your thing. Personally, it looks like it would be awfully boring, but alas, I am but one person with ADHD.

    @IT10T@IT10T16 күн бұрын
  • No more MSI slapping Nvidia cooler on AMD cards and call it a day? The whole thing was more bad thing over AMD problems. No idea how this affects the global distribution of AMD cards but MSI barley released RX 7000 anyway. Asus Dual performed pretty well on high end AMD cards unlike previous gens and competing very well with Sapphire and PowerColor cards, not sure why some gives Asus hard time.

    @SmokedBarbecue@SmokedBarbecue16 күн бұрын
  • Really wanted to go back to Intel, but I can’t until they stop this e-core nonsense. I might just have to settle for an LGA 1200 blue build.

    @zeroturn7091@zeroturn709116 күн бұрын
  • Who remembers when AMD was team green? I remember.

    @madchiller123@madchiller12316 күн бұрын
  • Let the Blame Game begin!

    @abdulhkeem.alhadhrami@abdulhkeem.alhadhrami16 күн бұрын
  • The only way for intel to actually have some ground against AMD CPUs is to be overclocked, now with stock settings, they will be soo far apart that the poor ppl who bought Intel for their high end builds will run into lots and lots of bottlenecks.

    @sufian-ben@sufian-ben16 күн бұрын
  • There's nothing wrong with the CPU's, it's poor tuning that's to blame. The responsibility for which mobo manufacturers must take some responsibility. Set up correctly there isn't an issue. Perhaps Intel should have squeezed a little less from the 13/14900k, but mobo manufacturers should make sure that F5 settings are stable and respect Intel's limits. Remember the Yuppies in the 80's? The Porsche 911 was popular and a lot of Yuppies quickly found out that just because you can afford the top of the range, it's not always a good idea.

    @oktc68@oktc6816 күн бұрын
  • asus boards core voltage boost way to high even higher than what was used to break world record with intel cpu

    @Nirmk@Nirmk16 күн бұрын
  • Hey Brett - how dare you not take into account the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow in your GPU reviews? It's downright irresponsible!

    @cracklingice@cracklingice16 күн бұрын
  • If they don't want to release AMD cards then so be it, makes it easier for me to not buy them any more, I rather have good price to performance instead of overpaying for less performance in some cases. There will always be options unless everyone stops selling them, which would simply mean that nvidia is pulling strings there as well. We all remember why EVGA left the market entirely.

    @ninetenduh@ninetenduh16 күн бұрын
  • So does this mean my MSI RX7600 could be worth something?

    @MrExdous69@MrExdous6916 күн бұрын
    • No lol, same thing happened to evga and they are worth the same as others

      @pravnav@pravnav14 күн бұрын
  • Imagine in 10 years, AMD and Qualcomm are the two main CPU makers. Intel and NVIDIA are the primary GPU makers. And Apple is still trying to tell us that gaming is a primary focus for them.

    @kevin.malone@kevin.malone16 күн бұрын
  • As to the next gen of AMD graphics cards. I think AMD are just being realistic in their plans. The bottleneck is currently TSMC. Until more plants come online they have a set capacity for chip making. And what with Apple and Nvidia buying up capacity as well, AMD has to be careful about how it uses the capacity it can get. At the top end, it would be difficult for AMD to top Nvidia on graphics. So concentrating on medium to low end makes sense. Hell, the graphics cards might be powered by chips that failed the top AI accelerator binning. They also may wish to concentrate on the CPU and data centre parts of their business.

    @Penfolduk001@Penfolduk00116 күн бұрын
  • Intel have, over the years regularly told off motherboard makers and even reworked their chips to thwart their innovations and overclocking. Even as far back as the first dual Celerons on the bp6 They made damn sure the Coppermine revision didn't work in dual. More recently they got pissy at the 6th gen with alternate clock gen bclk overclocking. Didn't they threaten asrock over that? How about the avx512 on 12th gen that they made sure to laser off 13th gen? They rule their board partners with an iron fist only equalled by nvidia and have for 25+ years. Now they're feigning ignorance? They didn't know their precious k chips were auto overlocked? BS. They knew and allowed it because it won them the gaming crown. It's the barrel roll in the 727 moment. Boeing "What are you doing?" Pilot 'selling airplanes'

    @myne00@myne0016 күн бұрын
  • It's crazy how Intel's GPUS are doing well, but their Intel CPUs are having so many major issues...

    @itsdeonlol@itsdeonlol16 күн бұрын
    • I honestly think that its okay with how many companies are entering the cpu market VS the GPU market

      @Omega-mr1jg@Omega-mr1jg16 күн бұрын
    • I wouldn't say they are doing well. Intel had to basically sell their GPUs at a loss to get them to move volume and even then in terms of what they cost to make, what they contain and how they actually perform they're terrible. The A770 has a bigger die size than the 3070, uses way more power than it does, is on a more advanced and efficient node and still performs far below the 3070. This is on top of coming out way later than it was supposed to.

      @riven4121@riven412116 күн бұрын
  • Their coping is hilarious. How about making actual improvements instead of having factory-overclocked Emergency Editions which run at 100C and they say that it's perfectly normal.

    @Keullo-eFIN@Keullo-eFIN16 күн бұрын
  • c&c ultima and the probably worst scored game of all times in the cd rom drive got me sold that your mouse mat is a legit 90s relic and i want one XD Also the mouse and the pad on it are spot on - you just cant get more pc retro without spoiling it into nerd teritory

    @teknastyk@teknastyk16 күн бұрын
  • That's crap with Intel's statement. Don't they advertise their 13/14th Gen cod to run like that? Nahhh fam. Send it back and find another excuse. Im not "stock" profiling my K series CPU to take away the 10 - 15% performance uplift i purchased it for. They've been allowing this to best AMD.

    @ScottyG-wood@ScottyG-wood16 күн бұрын
  • I still don't agree with using Windows in Ultimate mode could crash the chip. That is nutty. It has never been a problem before because these days everyone is on the Internet feeling missing out of 2 FPS - Too many noobs are "overclocking" because they see Der Bauer overclocking to 9Ghz. Stop putting the blame on Intel and the motherboard manufacturers without also having end-users take responsibility. A superfast sports car can reach 300 miles an hour, if I drive that fast I am an idiot, so who is to blame? The maker of the car? The provider of the fuel or the person behind the wheel?

    @aelaan12@aelaan1216 күн бұрын
  • Sounds to me like AMD has gone greedy (greedy as in smart) with the rumored chip with 2x more cores than current gen's top performer. They'll likely brand it as a Radeon Pro and sell it for a steep premium whilst the gaming flagships lag behind, but keep AMD afloat with their budget target. Maybe their plan is to make the 9000 series their next top performing series before they have to do a rebrand.

    @RewtB33R@RewtB33R16 күн бұрын
  • My i7 Alder Lake is not struggling

    @firstsonofthesea7938@firstsonofthesea793816 күн бұрын
  • 14900k Base clock is 3.2 Ghz with 0.8 voltage. That's the speed the CPU should be running at default. Boost is just an extreme way of overclocking the CPU for fast degradation, and of course to compete with AMD. For "Intel" it's just business.

    @MetroidRTX@MetroidRTX16 күн бұрын
  • Another shortage ? How convenient. Lol

    @eliaskouakou7051@eliaskouakou705116 күн бұрын
  • Yeah sure Intel. It's not because you are using technology 4 generations behind TSMC and your hybrid architecture is garbage and only good for Cinebench. Blame the motherboard maker.

    @yonghominale8884@yonghominale888416 күн бұрын
    • I mean AMD did the same thing when X3D chips were burning up. Arrow Lake will be produced at TSMC so if you can't beat em join em, well at least until Intel can get their foundries built and operational.

      @thetheoryguy5544@thetheoryguy554416 күн бұрын
    • And yet AMD will go hybrid too hypocrite.

      @mikkodoria4778@mikkodoria477816 күн бұрын
    • honestly if arm was easier for developers and companies to adopt without economical or software reasons, we would have a lot more efficient chips. Apple has done it, but its because they control the entire ecosystem on the devices they sell, while on windows computers theres several partners. Its kind of like the android market (of course, androids and iPhones both have their weakness but im just making a comparison here, im not saying one is better than the other). But if ARM replaced x64-86, they would be a lot more damn efficient

      @Hamborger-wd5jg@Hamborger-wd5jg16 күн бұрын
    • @@Hamborger-wd5jg What is a windows computer?

      @RedLine_Renesis@RedLine_Renesis16 күн бұрын
    • ​@@mikkodoria4778Imagine getting emotional over a corporation 😂😂😂😂😂

      @Richard_Cranium@Richard_Cranium16 күн бұрын
  • even intel themselves use unlimited power limits for their marketing benchmarks ...

    @bal7ha2ar@bal7ha2ar16 күн бұрын
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