The Origins of the Pelasgians

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The origins and ethnic identity of the Pelasgians are uncertain. Some ancient sources believe they were an indigenous people of Greece, while others suggest they might have migrated from different regions, including the Black Sea Regions, Anatolia or the Balkans. Their precise ethnicity and language remain unresolved, though a combination of Proto-Indo European and Native Mediterannean is the most likely.
The earliest references to the Pelasgians can
be found in ancient Greek literature, particularly in the works of Homer,
Herodotus, and Thucydides.
In the Iliad, there were Pelasgians on both sides of the Trojan War. WHen Homer explains who the Ancient Trojans were, Pelasgians are mentioned between the Hellespontine cities and Thrace. Homer calls their town or district "Larisa" and characterises it as fertile, and its inhabitants as celebrated for their spearsmanship. He records their chiefs as Hippothous and Pylaeus, sons of Lethus, son of Teutamides. The Iliad also refers to the camp at Greece, specifically at "Argos Pelasgikon", which is most likely to be the plain of Thessaly, and to "Pelasgic Zeus", living in and ruling over Dodona. According to Homer, Pelasgians were camping out on the shore together with the following tribes:
"Towards the sea lie the Carians and the Paeonians, with curved bows, and the Leleges and Caucones, and the goodly Pelasgi."
In the Odyssey, they appear among the inhabitants of Crete. Which would possibly equate them with the Minoans themselves, who invented Purple Dye and migrated east towards coastal Levant and conquered Egypt.
Odysseus, affecting to be Cretan himself, instances Pelasgians among the tribes in the ninety cities of Crete, "language mixing with language side by side".Last on his list, Homer distinguishes them from other ethnicities on the island: "Cretans proper", Achaeans, Cydonians, Dorians, and "noble Pelasgians".
A fragment from Hesiod, calls Dodona, identified by reference to "the oak", the "seat of Pelasgians", thus explaining why Homer, in referring to Zeus as he ruled over Dodona, did not style him "Dodonic" but Pelasgic Zeus. He mentions also that Pelasgus was the father of King Lycaon of Arcadia.
Asius of Samos claimed that Pelasgus as the first man, born of the earth.This account features centrally in the construction of an enduring autochthonous Arcadian identity into the Classical period. In a fragment by Pausanias, he cites Asius who describes the foundational hero of the Greek ethnic groups as "godlike Pelasgus [whom the] black earth gave up".
Sophocles, in one of his famous plays, presents Inachus, as the elder in the lands of Argos, the Heran hills and among the Tyrsenoi Pelasgoi, an unusual hyphenated noun construction, "Tyrsenians-Pelasgians". Interpretation is open, even though translators typically make a decision, but Tyrsenians may well be the ethnonym Tyrrhenoi. A possible connection to the city of Tyre, a possible location where many Minoan Migrants moved to.
All of this comes into context when we examine the writings of Pherecydes of Syros, the famous Pre-Socratic, who claims to have in his posession, the Pelasgian Creation myth, who he says was given to him by Phoenican Scholars.
The sequence of Pherecydes' creation myth is as follows. First, there are the eternal gods Zas (Zeus), Chthoniê (Gaia) and Chronos (Kronos). Then Chronos creates elements in niches in the earth with his seed, from which other gods arise. This is followed by the three-day wedding of Zas and Chthonie. On the third day Zas makes the robe of the world, which he hangs from a winged oak and then presents as a wedding gift to Chthonie, and wraps around her. Before the world is ordered, a cosmic battle takes place, with Cronus as the head of one side and Ophion as the leader of the other. Ophion then attacks Kronos, who defeats him and throws him in Ogenos. Sometime after his battle with Ophion, Kronos is succeeded by Zas. Kronos is given control of the Underwold as the King of Elysium, the grea province of Hades where the gods dwell. These three primordial gods are eternal, equal and wholly responsible for the world order. Plato seems to borrw from this cosmology in his Timaeus, and echoes of a Trinity sprinkle down into later Christian Theology. Pherecydes and Thales, who are both of the 7 Sages of Greece are both known to have influenced Monotheism, as they both believed the gods to be servents and messanger (daemons and Angels), under the One, or Monad. The source of all Light, Creation and Wisdom.
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  • Thank you Neal

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  • I'm from Indonesia, when I read the ancient manuscripts, I came to this, is there any connection, even in the ancient manuscripts, we made maps of the sea silk route, spread spices like cloves, coconuts, teach how to make oil from coconuts 🙏🙏🙏

    @HomlineOfficial@HomlineOfficial5 ай бұрын
  • The Pelasgian language is a pre- indo European language of Greece and the Aegean basin. Elements of the Pelasgian language is found in non-Indo-European roots for many Greek toponyms in the region, containing the consonantal strings "-nth-" (e.g., Corinth, Probalinthos, Zakynthos, Amarynthos, Athens, Corinth, Thebes, Skiathos, Kythera, Tyrinthos, Thassos etc etc) or its equivalent "-ns-" (e.g., Tiryns); "-tt-", e.g., in the peninsula of Attica, Mounts Hymettus and Brilettus/Brilessus, Lycabettus Hill, the deme of Gargettus, etc.; or its equivalent "-ss-": Larissa, Mount Parnassus, the river names Kephissos and Ilissos, the Cretan cities of Amnis(s)os and Tylissos etc. These strings also appear in other non-Greek, presumably substratally inherited nouns such as asáminthos (bathtub), ápsinthos (absinth), terébinthos (terebinth), etc. Other placenames with no apparent Indo-European etymology include Athēnai (Athens), Mykēnai (Mycene), Messēnē, Kyllēnē (Cyllene), Cyrene, Mytilene, etc. (note the common -ēnai/ēnē ending); also Thebes, Delphi, Lindos, Rhamnus, and others.

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  • Pelasgian family lists languages in four groups, of which only Albanian is well-attested» Oxford University Linguistics “The speakers of the Indo-European language that would become Albanian and the speakers of the Indo-European language (Hellenic Albanian) that would become Modern Greek were the first to enter the Illyrian Peninsula whose languages are of relevance for modern Albanian linguistics.”: «Nonetheless, Eric Hamp, who has been the most careful and conservative of specialists on Albanian dealing with this issue, has decided that the evidence linking Albanian to Messapic, which in turn has been linked to Illyrian, is sufficient to see Albanian as a descendant of a language to Illyrian, if not a descendant of Illyrian itself» Eric Hamp was a legendary and renowned Indo-European linguist, as well as specialist of the Albanian language. After 50 years of studying it, he argued that Albanian's affinities to the Messapic language proved that, at the very least, it was part of the same brandy as illyrian John Van Antwerp (1991). University of Michigan, Press. Book: (the illyrians were able to rettest into the mountains at the time of slavic migrations and thereby to retain their identities as albanians» Also «traditionally scholars have seen the illyrians as the proto - albanians». Scholars like the Oxford Professor of History, Noel Malcolm, link the Albanian origin to the ancient area of Epirus. Again, some will probably oppose this explanation solely due to political bias. By Budapest university in hungary: «The albanians are one of the most ancient people of southeast Europe; their ancestors were illyrians... From Linköping university: «order to understand the Albanian language, one must first understand this country’s history. Being one of the oldest peoples in the southeast Europe, Albanians have a formidable history dating back to the time of Alexander the Great but even further back via the history of their ancestors, the Illyrians. Published by H. M. Stationary office in university of California «the albanians, skipetars, epirotes, dardanians are descendants of the ancient illyrians. This book is by university of california as you can see with the «univ calif» ok the Bottom of every page in the book. «While the strong men of Albania, like their ancestors Who lived before agamemnon» page 179 Also «the illyrian tribes, now represented by shkypetar or albanians» page 181. «by constantine A. Chekrezi, A. B. (Harv)» aka by Harvard university (best university in the world), also published in Columbia university as it also says. «It is generally recognized to-day that the albanians are the most ancient race in southeastern europe. All indications point to the fact that They are the descendants of the earliest pelasgians were represented in historical times by the kindred illyrians, macedonians.» in page 3. also «this (albanian) language is particularly interesting as the only surviving representative of the so called illyrian group of languages» in page 5. By University of NORTH Dakota: «the albanians are Among the oldest people of europe. Anciently their country formed a part of the roman provinces of illyria epirus». In page 1 By Colorado state university: «Archaeological excavations in central and northwest Greece have brought to light the cultural and skeletal remains of the ancient Illyrians» also: «the physical activity of the illyrians, ancient albanians...» both of these sentences is in page 1.

    @southepirote7676@southepirote76764 ай бұрын
    • Sorry to disapoint but unfortunately genetics has the final say. Albanians as a whole have in aboundance all the typical Neolithic lineages, except G: J2b, E1b1b1 and I. which are absent in Illyrians who were not a neolithic famer people, they were descended from hunter gatherers. That kinda putsa damper on Albanian Illyrian pretensions. Secondly, and I will quote your friend Eric Hamp who said that Albanians originated from north of the Jirecek line. Eric Hamp Quote: 5. *_"Before continuing with the dimmer Balkan past, there are two sets of old loans in Albanian which lead us to a slender, but valuable, conclusion. It has long been recognized (since A. Thumb's basic article, IF 1910:26.1-20) that the ancient Greek loans are rare. Pre-Albanian was scarcely in close contact with Greek in antiquity. This places the Albanians north of the Jireek line"_* . In other words they are not even native to Epirus. Eric Hamp then reinforces this by confirming the lack of native seafaring words in the Albanian vocabulary indicationg they came from a landlocked area of the Balkans again confirming Albanians are not native to Epirus.

      @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93913 ай бұрын
    • @@rafaellagaribaldi9391 Wrong, and if true. Then why don't you come and take it? Oh wait, you already did when you committed genocide against the local Cham Epirotes.

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76763 ай бұрын
    • report fake info #southepirote7676propagandatroll

      @ternocimadh5863@ternocimadh58632 ай бұрын
  • Olá sou do Brasil e estudo sobre povos antigos, sei canal é um tesouro no KZhead, e os indo europeus se misturaram com os pelasgos na Europa toda?

    @williamdarocha5383@williamdarocha53835 ай бұрын
  • According to KRETSCHMER theory, the Greeks, during their descent into Greece (around 3000-2000 B.C.), found a settled culturally advanced people or peoples, non-Indo-Europeans, the Pro-Greeks, whom they collectively called Pelasgians (other names of the Pelasgians: Tyrsinoi/Tyrrenoi. Kares, Leleges. Eteocretans / Eteokarpathians).The Pelasgians spoke a Pre-Greek dialect which was preserved in the language of the Greeks. From the mixing of the Indo-European Greeks with the Pro-Hellenes, a new ethnological and linguistic race arose, the Hellenes. The Greek language preserved many pre-Greek elements that no other Indo-European language can etymologize. ~Source: Kretschmer P.《Einleitung in die Geschiechte der griechischen Sprache》1892

    @leader12334@leader123348 ай бұрын
    • 😂

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76768 ай бұрын
    • @@southepirote7676 FURNÉE, using all the existing literature and at the same time the findings of Mycenaean philology (linear writing B), supported KRETSCHMER's theory by concluding that the Pre-Greeks (Pelasgians) was a non-Indo-European tribe that lived in the Greek peninsula before the descent of the Indo-European races. When the IE tribes were mixed with the Pelasgians(around 3000-2000B.C), a new tribe appeared, the Hellenes, who spoke a language which is a mixture of Indo-European language with Pelasgian/Pre-Hellenic. Moreover, FURNÉE argued that the analysis of the main phonological structure of the Pre-Greek (Pelasgian) of words proves that the Pelasgian language is not IE (Indo-European) like Etruscan. Pelasgian words cannot be etymologically derived either from Greek or from any other Indo-European language (e.g. Latin, Slavic, Celtic, Thracian, Illyrian, Albanian, Bulgarian, etc.) ~Source: FURNÉE book:[“Die wichtigsten konsontischen Erscheinungen des Vor-griechischen" ]("The most important symphonic phenomena of Pre-Hellenic"), 1972),

      @leader12334@leader123348 ай бұрын
    • @@leader12334 what you gonna do 5'6 Greek nationalist? 😂

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    • @@leader12334 staring at me through your monitor, lol. Eeeee crazy Balkanoid losers 😂

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76768 ай бұрын
    • @@southepirote7676 OK then . Try to prove that I am wrong 😏

      @leader12334@leader123348 ай бұрын
  • The inscription on the stele found on the Greek island of Lemnos is an Anatolian language similar to proto-Etruscan or Hatti, written with Greek letters.

    @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
    • Yet only translated and has meaning in Albanian but not in Greek.... why?😂

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76764 ай бұрын
    • @@southepirote7676 Do you need reading glasses?? *_"The inscription on the stele found on the Greek island of Lemnos is an Anatolian language similar to proto-Etruscan or Hatti, written with Greek letters"_*

      @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
    • ​@@southepirote7676has meaning to greek and Not to albanian why ? 😂U Steal everything and US U See nowhere U are mendioned 😅😂

      @AdrianChatzi@AdrianChatzi3 ай бұрын
    • @@southepirote7676 Tuscans and Greeks have Identical DNA profile.

      @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93912 ай бұрын
    • @@southepirote7676 The Lemnian language was spoken on the island of Lemnos, Greece, in the second half of the 6th century BC. It is mainly attested by an inscription found on a funerary stele, termed the Lemnos stele, discovered in 1885 near Kaminia. Fragments of inscriptions on local pottery show that it was spoken there by a community. In 2009, a newly discovered inscription was reported from the site of Hephaistia, the principal ancient city of Lemnos. Lemnian is largely accepted as being a Tyrsenian language, and as such related to Etruscan and Raetic. After the Athenians conquered the island in the latter half of the 6th century BC, Lemnian was replaced by Attic Greek.

      @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93912 ай бұрын
  • In the work of Vladimir Georgiev, we find information that the Greeks document the name (note author) as Πελασγοί (Pelasgi) and Πελαςτοι (Pelasti), and the second represents the correct variant because it corresponds more precisely to the Egyptian Peleset, the Assyrian Palashtu and the Old Hebrew Pelesht (them). It is important to specify that Thracians and Pelasgians are two groups of the same people, as one of the first scholars to use the term Thracian-Pelasgian/Thrakisch-Pelasgisch was Bernhard Giesecke, who in 1858 published his work "Thrakisch-Pelasgische Stäme der Balkan Peninsula and Ihre Wanderungen in Mythischer Zeit”. “Pelasgi were by the Attic people called "Pelargi” (Strab.V.2.7).

    @user-xc6co3ur2v@user-xc6co3ur2v2 ай бұрын
    • Pelargi means in albanian from far away

      @bennyblanco10@bennyblanco102 ай бұрын
  • Next thing Albanians will be telling us is that the japanese samurai warlord nobunaga was albanian,and his real name was nobu nagalbanos ….and hideoshys abanian name was hide onasouklepsw..............its very well known and scientificaly proved they will tell you.

    @JapanMonAmourTheJapanHouse@JapanMonAmourTheJapanHouse3 ай бұрын
    • Nice try rafaelagalabardi 😂

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76763 ай бұрын
  • Similarities between Albanian and Etruscan 1-Te urat tan na la rez ula me vaχr. Geg. Te uret tan na lan rrez ulë më varr. StA. Të urtët tanë na lanë rreze (dritë) poshtë në varr. Our nobles left us rays(light) down the grave. I nostri nobili ci ha lasciato i raggi (luce) fino alla tomba. 2-Lautn Velθinaš' eštla, Afunaš slel, eθ ca ru te zan fušle. Geg. Eshtnat e te lartit Velthina, Afuna siell, edh ka ru te zan guvn (pusn). StA. Eshtrat e të lartit Velthina, Afuna sjell, dhe ka ruajtur të zënë guvën (pusin). Great Velthina's bones Afuna brings and has occupied the cave. Le ossa del Grande Velthina ,Afuna le porta ed hanno occupato la grotta. 3-Ri tesn; šte iš Rašneš i pa ama, hen naper χi i Velthinaθuraš arasš. Geg. Rri tesh; si te ish etrusk i pa ken, hin naper hi i Velthinas s' art. StA. Rri tani; si të ish etrusk i pa qenë, hyn nëpër hijen e Velthinas së artë. Rests now; like to be a nonexistent etruscan, enters through the vision of the golden Velthina. Ora riposa: come essere un etrusca inesistente, entra attraverso la visione della Velthina dorata. 4-Peraš cem ul, mlescul. Geg. Periasht kem ul, mpleksun. StA. Përjashta jemi ulur, mpleksur (bashkë). Outside (of the cave) we rest, together. Al di fuori (della caverna) ci riposiamo, insieme. 5-Zu ci enesci epl tu laru Auleši, Velθinaš Arznal clenši. Geg. Zu ki prifti epr tu lartu Aulesin, birin erznor te Velthinas. StA. Zuri ky prifti epër të lartojë Aulesin, birin erznor të Velthinas. The old priest began to laud Aulesi, the successor in honour of Velthina. Il vecchio prete cominciò a lodare Aulesi, il successore in onore di Velthina. 6-Θi i θil šcuna cenu, eplc felic. Geg. Thirr e thirr shkun ketu, plak e filik. StA. Thirr e thirr shkuan këtu, plak e filik. Speaking loudly they came here, the old man and the junior Parlando ad alta voce(forte) sono venuti qui, il vecchio e il giovane. 7-Larθalš, Afuniš clan, θunχul θe falaš. Geg. Larthali, djali i Afunas, ndigjon thenie fialsh. StA. Larthali, çuni i Afunas, dëgjon thënie fjalësh. Larthal, Afunis son, hears words saying Larthal, figlio Afunis, ascolta le parole dicendo 8-Χie m’ fušl e Velθina. Geg. Hie m’pus (guv) e Velthinas. StA. Hije në pus (guvë) e Velthinas. Ghost of Velthina into the cave. L'ombra di Velthina nella grotta. 9-Hin θa cap e, mu ni clet, ma su. Geg. Hin ta kap e, mu ni kret, ‘ma su. StA. Hyn ta kap e, mu në krye ( kokë), ama s’mund. Enters to catch him, just around the head, but can't Entra per prenderlo, proprio dietro la testa, ma non può 10-Naper šranc zlθi i falšti Velθina. Geg. Naper shtankie, zanthi i folshte Velthina. StA. Nëpër shtangje, zëthi i fliste Velthina. While shrinking back, voicedly spoke Velthina Mentre contraeva dietro, una voce chiamò Velthina 11-Hut naper penezš, ma su. Geg. Hutet naper pamje, ‘ma su. StA. Hudhet nëpër pamje (fantazmë ), ama s’mund. Jumps through the vision, but can’t Consente di passare attraverso la visione(fantasmi), ma non può 12- A-c nina! Clel Afuna. Geg. A ka noni ! Klith Afuna. StA. A ka ndonji ! Klith Afuna. Is there any one! Cried Afuna C'è qualcuno ! Grido Afuna 13-Velθina mler zinia. Geg. Velthinan e mlon zinia. StA. Velthinën e mbulon zija (terri). The darkness covered Velthina A velthina la copre l'oscurità 14-Inte ma mer cnl. Geg. Ende ma mer nisjen (rrugen). StA. Ende ma merr nisjen (rrugën ). Again he takes the way Nuovamente prende la strada(la via) 15-Velθina zia, šaten e tesne. Geg. Velthina zi, zaten e tesh. StA. Velthina zi (terr), si atëherë (përsëri) e tani. Velthina under the darkness, now and then. Velthina sotto il buio, come prima e nuovamente 16-E ca Velθinaθuraš ! - θa urah e lutes ne Rašne. Geg. E ka Velthina ! - tha urata e lutet ne Rashne. StA. E ka Velthina ! - tha urata e lutet në Rashne. It belongs to Velthina’s body! Said the prayer and prays on Rashne. Esso appartiene al corpo di Velthina! Disse la preghiera e prega in Rashne(etrusco). 17-Ce i tesn, šte iš Rašneš χimθ, špelθ uta šcuna; Afuna mena hen. Geg. Ke i tesh, si te ish Hy Rashnesh, n’shpell ata shkun; Afuna hin mrena. StA. Që tani, si të ish Hy Rashnesh, në shpellë ata erdhën; Afuna hyn brenda. Just now, like He was Rashnesh god, they came at the cave; Afuna enters in. Proprio ora, come se fosse dio Etrusco, giunsero alla grotta; Afuna entra dentro 18-Naper ci cnl - hare, utu še Velθina šatena. Geg. Naper ket rrug - hare, aty she Velthinan zatena. StA. Nëpër këtë rruge - hare, aty sheh Velthinan përsëri. Through this delight way, there hi sees Velthina again. Attraverso questa delizioza strada, li vede Velthina nuovamente. 19-Zu ci enesci i pa špela ne θi fulumχva. Geg. Zu ki prifti e pa shpelln ne thirje yjsh. StA. Zu ky prifti e pa shpellën në thirrje yjesh. The priest saw the cave on stars crying. Il sacerdote ha visto la grotta al richiamo delle stelle. 20-Špel θi, rene θi. Geg. Shpella thirr, rena thirr. StA. Shpella thirr, reja thirr. The cave cries, the clouds cry La grotta la chiamava , le nuovole lo chiamavano. 21-Ešt a - c Velθina; a - ci lun e tu ru ne, šcu ne Zea. Geg. Esht aty ( ja ku) Velthina, ja ku lun e tu ru ne, shku ne Zoti. StA. Ja ku është Velthina, ja ku luan e duke na ruajtur ne, shkon në Zoti. There is Velthina, there he mooves, watching on us, goes to the God. Ecco dov'è Velthina, eccola mentre gioca e ci protegge a noi , sta andando da Dio. 22-Zu ci enesci: A θu mi cš Afunaš, pe nθ na ama Velθina. Geg. Zu ki prifti: A thu mi kush Afunas, pe ne na ishte Velthina. StA. Zu ky prifti: A më thotë kush mua Afunas, pe në na ishte Velthina. The priest said: Is there any one who tells me, Afunas, if you saw there was Velthina Il prete ha detto: C'è uno che mi dice, Afunas, se visto che c'era Velthina 23-Afunaθur u niei n’ zeri una claθil θunχulθl. Geg. Afuna e niu n’ zeri nja klithm qi ndigjon. StA. Afuna e njeh n’zëri thirrjen që dëgjon. Afuna knew by the voice the cry hearing. Afuna conosce dalla voce il richiamo che sente. 24- Iχ ca ceχa ziχuχe. Geg. I ket kena shkrujt. StA. Këtë kemi shkruar. Just that we have written Questo abbiamo scritto

    @southepirote7676@southepirote76764 ай бұрын
    • morel Albanian pseudo linguistic hogwash,

      @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
    • Stop with fake pseudo linguistic garbage......................Etruscan was a pre-Indo-European language (and possibly related to Lemnian, another pre-Indo-European language spoken in ancient Lemnos, a Greek island today). Albanian, meanwhile, is an Indo-European language and native to the north Balkans . The languages are therfore NOT related. Seriously do you take me for a fool??

      @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
    • Etruscans moved from Anatolia after the Trojan War, great volcanic eruption in Santorini and the migration of the Sea Peoples. These 3 massive events caused chaos in Europe at the time. Egyptians have the best records concerning the invasion and how they obliterated the Sea Peoples. Legend goes that the Etruscans moved across Greece, northward into Illyrian lands and eventually reached Italy. The Etruscans and Illyrians both wore a similar helmet to battle.

      @virtuallifter2438@virtuallifter2438Ай бұрын
    • The Etruscans weren't Illyrians, but the Messapians were. They were an Illyrian tribe that migrated across the sea to Italy. [The Messapic tribal name Kalabroi/Calabri has been connected to the Dardanian Galabroi/Galabri in the Balkans.]

      @virtuallifter2438@virtuallifter2438Ай бұрын
    • The Dardanians are a mix of Illyrian, Dardanoi from Troy and Thracian. Dardhe in Albanian means Pear. A lot of places in Dardania (modern Kosovo) are named after the fruit, both in Serbian and Albanian.

      @virtuallifter2438@virtuallifter2438Ай бұрын
  • Thank you for teaching ALL Albanian history

    @besmuriqi8757@besmuriqi87577 ай бұрын
    • Half Albanians are Greek and the other half Illyrian. I don't know what is Albania?? All the times albanians are fake.

      @user-yi7fw5to8d@user-yi7fw5to8d7 ай бұрын
    • Turkalbanian history.

      @user-rj1wx4fy9h@user-rj1wx4fy9h7 ай бұрын
    • @@user-rj1wx4fy9hthere is no such thing as Greek. You are Bulgarian and Turkish. Check your DNA your too late the world knows we are the ancient Pelasgian you are a Turk there is no such thing as you

      @besartmuriqi6871@besartmuriqi68717 ай бұрын
    • Greek Dna is older than Albanian, I just checked @@besartmuriqi6871

      @aarengraves9962@aarengraves99627 ай бұрын
    • @@user-rj1wx4fy9h Original Text: ______ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ ΕΓΚΥΚΛΟΠΑΙΔΕΙΑ ______ ΠΕΛΛΑΖΓΕΣ - ΟΙ ΠΑΠΠΟΥΣ ΤΩΝ ΑΛΒΑΝΩΝ «Επομένως, οι παππούδες και οι γιαγιάδες των σημερινών Αλβανών, δηλαδή οι Πελασγοί, έζησαν από τα προϊστορικά χρόνια στο μεγαλύτερο μέρος του τότε γνωστού κόσμου, αναπτύσσοντας έναν πολύ σημαντικό πολιτισμό και χτίζοντας διάφορες κατασκευές εξαιρετικής αξίας. Πηγή: Η Μεγάλη Ελληνική Εγκυκλοπαίδεια, Τόμ. 19, σελ. 873 ________GREEK ENCYCLOPEDIA_______________ 'Therefore, the ancestors of today's Albanians, i.e. the Pelasgians, lived from prehistoric times in most of the then known world, developing a very important culture and building various structures of extraordinary value.' Source: The Great Greek Encyclopedia Vol. 19, Pg. 873

      @dios1ish868@dios1ish8686 ай бұрын
  • @rafaellagaribaldi9391 Why the greeks have stolen the ancient culture of Albanian- Pelasgean people? The mythology of greek it isn't greeks but is Albanian, all the names and words have sense only in Albanian dialectic language. Inform your self take an Albanian dictionary and the Iliad in original language like Homer write it, compare the worlds by your self. When Homer was born, the Greeks had just recently learned how to use the alphabet from the Phoenicians. Homer lived around 700 BC, in the Archaic period in Greece. No one knows where in Greece he lived exactly, and Homer didn't make up these stories, or even the words, himself. The Greeks lived in a lot of little city-states they do not have a nation and in the Bronze Age each one had in its own city a king. Before the Trojan war there is no indication of Greeks. Greeks were invited by Albanian Pelasgians in their cities . Zeus survives as "Zot" in the Albanian language and it's mean "VOICE". The invocation of his name is the common form of oath among the modern Albanians. Athena, the goddess of wisdom as expressed in speech, would evidently owe its derivation to the Albanian "E Thena," which simply means "speech." Thetis, the goddess of waters and seas, would seem to be but Albanian "Deti" which means "sea." - The word "Ulysses,"whether in its Latin or Greek form "Odysseus," means "traveler" in the Albanian language, according as the word "udhe,"(udhetues) which stands for "route" and "traveler," is written with "d" or "l," both forms being in use in Albanian. So Greeks are completely foreign to Pelasgian Albanians. Greeks represent only a partial culture of a big nation. The question is:"what are the new greeks"? The most important element in the population of Greece is formed by the Albanians (ca.240 000), called Arvanitae (Arnaouts) by the Greeks, while they name themselves Shqiptar'. It further proves that Greeks today are nothing more than the creation of great powers to divide and conquer Albanians splitting them away from each other. Conclusion: Greek is ONLY a national concept.

    @southepirote7676@southepirote76764 ай бұрын
    • O Please, translate this homeric Greek for me.................I'm all in anticipation. I kept it short for you just to make it eay LOL. μῆνιν ἄειδε θεὰ Πηληϊάδεω Ἀχιλῆος οὐλομένην, ἣ μυρί᾽ Ἀχαιοῖς ἄλγε᾽ ἔθηκε, πολλὰς δ᾽ ἰφθίμους ψυχὰς Ἄϊδι προΐαψεν ἡρώων, αὐτοὺς δὲ ἑλώρια τεῦχε κύνεσσιν 5οἰωνοῖσί τε πᾶσι, Διὸς δ᾽ ἐτελείετο βουλή, ἐξ οὗ δὴ τὰ πρῶτα διαστήτην ἐρίσαντε Ἀτρεΐδης τε ἄναξ ἀνδρῶν καὶ δῖος Ἀχιλλεύς. τίς τ᾽ ἄρ σφωε θεῶν ἔριδι ξυνέηκε μάχεσθαι; Λητοῦς καὶ Διὸς υἱός: ὃ γὰρ βασιλῆϊ χολωθεὶς 10νοῦσον ἀνὰ στρατὸν ὄρσε κακήν, ὀλέκοντο δὲ λαοί, οὕνεκα τὸν Χρύσην ἠτίμασεν ἀρητῆρα

      @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
    • @@rafaellagaribaldi9391 report you because you are a fake acc propagandatroll

      @ternocimadh5863@ternocimadh58632 ай бұрын
  • Great

    @godsplan4139@godsplan41392 ай бұрын
  • The name Pelasgians (Ancient Greek: Πελασγοί, romanized: Pelasgoí, singular: Πελασγός Pelasgós) was used by Classical Greek writers to refer either to the predecessors of the Greeks or to all the inhabitants of Greece before the emergence of the Greeks / proto-Greeks. In general, "Pelasgian" has come to mean more broadly all the indigenous inhabitants of the Aegean Sea region and their cultures, and British historian Peter Green comments on it as "a hold-all term for any ancient, primitive and presumably indigenous people in the Greek world".

    @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
    • 🤣🤣🤣

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76764 ай бұрын
  • All Greeks are Albanian, Turkish, Italian, Slavic and Persian mix. There's no such thing as Greek DNA. It's Albanian DNA slapped with a Greek label on it by companies.

    @southepirote7676@southepirote76767 ай бұрын
    • Greeks arent Arberians (berbers) and have Greek DNA, not Arabic Igene like ALbanian Ghegs with no Albanian DNA in Genetics.

      @SasGiou@SasGiou7 ай бұрын
    • All Albanians are just a mix of Turks and Greeks Albanian DNA doesnt exist, you nation is fake and was created by others in 1912

      @aarengraves9962@aarengraves99627 ай бұрын
    • Why do you make stupid conspiracy theories like that? Are you also going to tell us about the lizard people living among us, and the ancient aliens?

      @OrphicPolytheist@OrphicPolytheist6 ай бұрын
    • Get a life,you write nonsense.

      @Solon7@Solon76 ай бұрын
    • Where is albania

      @yorgos19681@yorgos196816 ай бұрын
  • Ancient Greek writers explicitly say that the Pelasgians were the Greeks before the Greeks. They even call Hellenes "the Pelasgian nation". In short, Pelasgians are the Hellenes. But they changed their names after Hellen, son of Deucalion and father of all Greeks.

    @billyntok@billyntok5 ай бұрын
    • Absolutely not. That is BS

      @kingkingu659@kingkingu6594 ай бұрын
    • Pelasgian family lists languages in four groups, of which only Albanian is well-attested» Oxford University Linguistics “The speakers of the Indo-European language that would become Albanian and the speakers of the Indo-European language (Hellenic Albanian) that would become Modern Greek were the first to enter the Illyrian Peninsula whose languages are of relevance for modern Albanian linguistics.”: «Nonetheless, Eric Hamp, who has been the most careful and conservative of specialists on Albanian dealing with this issue, has decided that the evidence linking Albanian to Messapic, which in turn has been linked to Illyrian, is sufficient to see Albanian as a descendant of a language to Illyrian, if not a descendant of Illyrian itself» Eric Hamp was a legendary and renowned Indo-European linguist, as well as specialist of the Albanian language. After 50 years of studying it, he argued that Albanian's affinities to the Messapic language proved that, at the very least, it was part of the same brandy as illyrian John Van Antwerp (1991). University of Michigan, Press. Book: (the illyrians were able to rettest into the mountains at the time of slavic migrations and thereby to retain their identities as albanians» Also «traditionally scholars have seen the illyrians as the proto - albanians». Scholars like the Oxford Professor of History, Noel Malcolm, link the Albanian origin to the ancient area of Epirus. Again, some will probably oppose this explanation solely due to political bias. By Budapest university in hungary: «The albanians are one of the most ancient people of southeast Europe; their ancestors were illyrians... From Linköping university: «order to understand the Albanian language, one must first understand this country’s history. Being one of the oldest peoples in the southeast Europe, Albanians have a formidable history dating back to the time of Alexander the Great but even further back via the history of their ancestors, the Illyrians. Published by H. M. Stationary office in university of California «the albanians, skipetars, epirotes, dardanians are descendants of the ancient illyrians. This book is by university of california as you can see with the «univ calif» ok the Bottom of every page in the book. «While the strong men of Albania, like their ancestors Who lived before agamemnon» page 179 Also «the illyrian tribes, now represented by shkypetar or albanians» page 181. «by constantine A. Chekrezi, A. B. (Harv)» aka by Harvard university (best university in the world), also published in Columbia university as it also says. «It is generally recognized to-day that the albanians are the most ancient race in southeastern europe. All indications point to the fact that They are the descendants of the earliest pelasgians were represented in historical times by the kindred illyrians, macedonians.» in page 3. also «this (albanian) language is particularly interesting as the only surviving representative of the so called illyrian group of languages» in page 5. By University of NORTH Dakota: «the albanians are Among the oldest people of europe. Anciently their country formed a part of the roman provinces of illyria epirus». In page 1 By Colorado state university: «Archaeological excavations in central and northwest Greece have brought to light the cultural and skeletal remains of the ancient Illyrians» also: «the physical activity of the illyrians, ancient albanians...» both of these sentences is in page 1.

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76764 ай бұрын
    • @@southepirote7676 Wrong, Albanians are descendants of Epirotes not Illyrians.

      @kingkingu659@kingkingu6593 ай бұрын
    • ​@@southepirote7676about your Fake claiming ! Here i checkedyour claimings and result about Eric hamb works :Increasing skepticism, Illyrian as ghost language For more than twenty years to come, namely the span of time from 1970-1990, Hamp almost completely renounced considering Illyrian as a language, let alone a predecessor of Albanian. His skepticism became greater as the time went by: 1970, Illyrian was nothing but a mere “slippery entity” [6]; In 1984, to speak of Illyrian, for whom we have virtual ignorance, “it does no service to an argument to introduce ghosts” [7]; In 1986, the term “Illyrian is nearly useless in the present” [8]; In 1994, Illyrian should be dismantled from all discussion relating Albanian, “There is no place in our account for Illyrian since we have no clear evidence of their language” [9]. The Albanoid language In meantime, Hamp alternatively brought forth a new paradigm which envisaged the primordial homeland of Proto-Albanian as a conceivable area stretching from both sides of Carpathian all the way down to northern Albania. Based on a handful of lexical items, mainly bucolic ones, he went on to state “an early IE dialect area which we may call Proto-Albanoid…embraced the territory of Western Ukrainian, southern Polish, Slovak, part of Czech, Romanian (including of course the south-Danubian dialects and therefore Aromunian, whence to northern Greek), Western Bulgarian and Macedonian and Banat dialects, Serbian and Albanian. The whole area forms a band roughly from the Carpathians to Northern Albania” [10]. By the same token, he described the coalescence of Romanian, for which he contended that “historically Romanian is Latin spoken with an Albanian stress system” [11]. His entire hypothesis hinged on the assumption that Albanian must have been once a linguistic substrate in Romania for he noted: “…I am convinced that Romanian is the descendant of a Latinization of an autochthonous population which earlier spoke an Albanoid Indo-European language - whereas Albanian represents the continuation of kindred dialects which, though accepting many loans and cultural influences, escaped Latinization. We may then expect, as in other instances, that Romanian may preserve in Latin dress the syntax and semantics of an earlier Albanoid form” [12]. He exemplified all this with Romanian ordinal întîi

      @AdrianChatzi@AdrianChatzi3 ай бұрын
    • Also about the Others i resosurch all the These claimings and result was : ERROR DOSNT EXIST ! You are good to write Fantasys and liying to people But never forget that the Most people dosnt have your lowest IQ to believe These bullshit! they have Brain and ressourch IT and check this Out Mister ! Good trying But dosnt Work 😅 also has nothing to do with the proto Greek Tribe the pelasgians now cry ​@@southepirote7676

      @AdrianChatzi@AdrianChatzi3 ай бұрын
  • 😊❤

    @sergiobacellar5570@sergiobacellar55709 ай бұрын
  • There is no "Dorian invasion"... There is "Dorian return".

    @Dionysios_Skoularikis@Dionysios_SkoularikisАй бұрын
  • Austrian Scholars Leave Albania Lost for Words Wien March 25, 201117:25 Viennese researchers upset traditionally minded Albanians by pouring cold water on the theory that the Albanian language has its roots in Ancient Illyria. Joachim Matzinger and Stefan Schumache hypothesis that Albanian does not originate from the language of the Ancient Illyrians,

    @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
    • 😂

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76764 ай бұрын
    • @rafaellagaribaldi9391 report you because you are a fake acc propagandatroll

      @ternocimadh5863@ternocimadh58632 ай бұрын
    • So where does it originate?

      @Skendeboy@Skendeboy18 күн бұрын
  • You poison the modern Greeks with this video 😂😂😂😂

    @refittoro5282@refittoro52824 ай бұрын
  • Pelasgians were Georgian, only Georgian language matches Pelasgian disk, all pre Helenic myths are of Georgian origin and to this day Greeks call Georgia "land of Prometheus"

    @noahcaucasus@noahcaucasus2 ай бұрын
  • Rather mixed up in both historical and myth telling.

    @romuloneri4975@romuloneri49759 ай бұрын
  • Krenar që mka fal Zoti Shqiptar 🦅🦅 Gustav Mayer: "Albanians are young Illyrians" Agostino Ribeco: "The millennial rights of Albanians, ethnographic and geographical, extend from ancient times to Illyria, Macedonia and Thessaly". Constantine Paparrigopoulos: "Only Albanians are considered descendants of the Illyrian race." Jovan Cvijic: "After coming to the Balkans, the southern Slavs found the Albanians, who under the pressure of the (Slavs) withdrew to the south and to the most mountainous places where we still find them today." Nicholas Jorja: “The Albanian people, together with the Basque people, are the oldest in Europe MAXIMILIAN Lambertz: "The True History of Humanity will be written only when it is written with the participation of Albanians." LAMARTINE : "This nation and this people do not violate" This is the land of heroes of all time ... Homer there found Achilles, Alexander the Great Greeks, Turks, Skanderbeg, people of the same race, with the same blood " M.HUACUNTHE Hecquard: “In no country in the world are women more respected and more powerful than Albanians and some Albanian mothers have driven their sons home after they left the war front. They had returned them to the battlefie: LORD BYRON"Albanians in their costumes make the most beautiful landscape in the world ... Albanians are the most beautiful human race there is, bravery stronger than their castles." Henry Noel Brailsford: "... The 'primitive' Albanian, in fact, is the 'Superman' Nietzsche dreamed of" Agostino Ribeco: "The millennial rights of Albanians, ethnographic and geographical, extend from ancient times to Illyria, Macedonia and Thessaly". Agostino Ribeco: "The millennial rights of Albanians, ethnographic and geographical, extend from ancient times to Illyria, Macedonia and Thessaly". Dushko H. Konstantinov: "Albanians are older inhabitants of the Balkan Peninsula and direct descendants of the old Illyrians who had built the most powerful state in the Balkans." Edvin Pears: “Albanians are descendants of the older race of the Balkan Peninsula, namely the Aryan race, deriving this word from the two roots of the Albanian words: Ar and Ann, that is. People of pure gold. " Fanula Papazoglu: "Dardania is one of the ancient Illyrian provinces, where the indigenous population is best preserved." Gos Jen: "The origin of the Albanians goes back to the time of the Pelasgians and has a prehistoric origin." Gjorgj Hahni: "Albanians are descendants of Illyrians, while Illyrians are descendants of Pelasgians ... Albanians are great-grandchildren of Pelasgians." Henri Braisford: "In Macedonia, only Albanians are indigenous people" Johan Fon Han: "Albanian proceeds from Illyrian and Illyrian from Pelasgian"

    @ternocimadh5863@ternocimadh58632 ай бұрын
  • The comments 😂😂😂😂😂

    @user-yf9yz5jj9j@user-yf9yz5jj9j7 ай бұрын
  • Pelasgians and Garamantes: The Black People of Ancient Greece The Pelasgians and Garamantes were two black African civilizations that first invaded and flourished in ancient Greece before the Dorians and are often depicted in Ancient Greek Art. Pelasgians - who were they? The Pelasgians were a people who lived in Greece before the arrival of the Greeks. They were thought to be related to the Etruscans and other ancient peoples of Italy. The Pelasgians were dark-skinned and curly-haired. They were also tall and strong. The Pelasgians were skilled warriors and sailors. They built great ships and sailed to other countries. The Pelasgians were also artists and craftsmen. They made beautiful ceramics, jewelry and sculptures. And the people of the sea who sailed to the continent of Africa, Asia and Europe.

    @75gazmen@75gazmenАй бұрын
    • I don't see anywhere any genetic studies that indicates subsaharan africans in ancient Greek population, and no linguistic elements of african languages too. When proto-arrived from the steppe of Ukraine they found darker people in mediteranean exactlly as Ukranians today see us as dark skined. Do you have any actual proofes besieds the dark skin and curly hair?

      @Pados_music@Pados_musicАй бұрын
  • Albanian language is the newest language in Europe, made at 1860+ by Greek Christoforidis and used officialy at 1912 after the kemal alphabet that Albanians adopted. All Ghegs according Genetics have mainly Arabic Igene. Albanians call themselves Arberi which is the name Berber(barbar) that Greeks named the Arabs

    @SasGiou@SasGiou7 ай бұрын
    • Lmao 😂

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76767 ай бұрын
    • ​@@southepirote7676Albanian with no Albanian DNA, with no Albanian tribe and with no Illyrian DNA, pray to Arabic as you still do nowadays!

      @geosam011@geosam0117 ай бұрын
    • ​@@southepirote7676Why Pelasgians and Greeks had alphabet and Albanians noone till 1912? And why Albanians spoke Arabian + Iranian as Turks before kemal?

      @geosam011@geosam0117 ай бұрын
    • @@geosam011 The poor 5'6 Greek nationalist is coping 😂

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76767 ай бұрын
    • ​@@geosam011Greeks are TurkoSlavs in denial

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76767 ай бұрын
  • In the Classic period, enclaves under that name survived in several locations of mainland Greece, Crete, and other regions of the Aegean. Populations identified as "Pelasgian" spoke a language or languages that later Greeks identified as "barbarian", though ancient writers nonetheless described the Pelasgians as Greeks. A tradition also survived that large parts of Greece had once been Pelasgian before being Hellenized by the arrival of the Proto-Greeks.. These parts fell largely, though far from exclusively, within the territory which by the 5th century BC was inhabited by those speakers of ancient Greek who were identified as Ionians and Aeolians. Minoans and Cycladic civilisation were Pelasgian as well as the founders of Athens. Remanants of the Pelasgian language are to be found in the modern Greek language in words and ancient place names containing the Pelasgian 'th', 'nth and 'ss' and 'tt' string sounds such as 'Athens, Knossos, Tyrinthos, Kythera, Corinth, Thebes, Thira, Thassos, etc etc etc.

    @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
    • 🤣🤣🤣

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76764 ай бұрын
    • The old name of Athens was Pelasgion. Something lame the logic.

      @user-xc6co3ur2v@user-xc6co3ur2v2 ай бұрын
    • @@user-xc6co3ur2v Correct, Athens was a city founded by Pelasgians. Pelasgians were the pre - Greek inahbitants of the Aegean basin. Remanants of the Pelasgian language are found in the 'nth', 'th' and 'ss' string sounds in the Greek language. E.g Athens, Knossos, Amarynthos, Corinth, Thassos, Thiva, Kythera, Skiathos, Thessaly, etc etc

      @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93912 ай бұрын
    • @rafaellagaribaldi9391 report you because you are a fake acc propagandatroll

      @ternocimadh5863@ternocimadh58632 ай бұрын
  • Arberi and Arberia, the previous name of Albanians means Berber which Berber is the name Barbar that Greeks gave to Arabs.

    @SasGiou@SasGiou7 ай бұрын
    • Lmao 😂

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76767 ай бұрын
    • ​@@southepirote7676Poor Asian with shame history and shame roots, Nostradamus said that Albanians were Asian nomads that's why they ll cause problems always to Europe!

      @geosam011@geosam0117 ай бұрын
    • ​@@geosam011looool 😂

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76767 ай бұрын
    • @@southepirote7676 Poor tefalomongoliranian with Arberi(berber) mix

      @SasGiou@SasGiou7 ай бұрын
    • @@SasGiou Stfu Greek keyboard warriors, ya'll are tough only behind monitors 🤫

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76767 ай бұрын
  • The notion of Greeks being ethnically homogenous and direct descendants of the Hellenes has been a persistent narrative, often used to foster a sense of unity and historical continuity. However, a closer examination reveals the complexity and diversity within the Greek population, challenging the simplistic portrayal of ethnic homogeneity and direct lineage from the ancient Hellenes. To begin with, Greece has been a crossroads of various civilizations throughout history, including interactions with Albanians, Romans, Byzantines, Ottomans, and others. This rich history of cultural exchanges has inevitably left an imprint on the ethnic composition of the region. Genetic studies indicate a diversity of influences, reflecting the historical interactions and migrations that have shaped the genetic makeup of the Greek people. This diversity challenges the notion of a singular, homogeneous ethnic origin. Moreover, the concept of ethnicity itself is complex and dynamic. It is not solely determined by genetic factors but is also influenced by cultural, linguistic, and historical elements. While the Hellenes were indeed one of the ancient tribes in the region, claiming a direct ethnic lineage from them oversimplifies the intricate processes of cultural assimilation, intermixing, and acculturation that have occurred over centuries. Language, often considered a key marker of ethnic identity, also presents complexities. The modern Greeks language belongs to the Indo-European family but is distinct within this linguistic group. While it has roots in the Hellenic language, linguistic evolution and influences from Latin, Slavic, and other languages have contributed to its unique character. This linguistic complexity challenges the notion of a straightforward, unbroken linguistic continuity between ancient Hellenic and modern Greek. Historical records further complicate the narrative of ethnic homogeneity. The region has witnessed migrations, invasions, and changes in political control, all of which have contributed to the diversity within the Greek population. The medieval period, for example, saw the influx of various groups, including Slavs and Normans, leaving lasting cultural and genetic impacts. In conclusion, the idea of Greeks being ethnically homogenous and direct descendants of the Hellenes is a simplistic narrative that does not fully capture the complexity of Greece's history and the diversity within its population. Genetic, linguistic, and historical evidence points to a more nuanced and multifaceted reality, highlighting the need to approach the question of Greek identity with a recognition of the intricate processes of cultural evolution and interaction that have shaped the region over millennia.

    @southepirote7676@southepirote76762 ай бұрын
    • I doubt there is an ethnically homogenous nation in the world. Al the nations are products of mixes, everywhere. There is a question how much those mixes shaped nations as we see them today, but the important is that nation as we know them today are a product of our era. There was not a Greek or a Illyric or Greman nation in antiquity, there were tribes with cultural and economic ties. In middel ages we had the big empires with mixed populations that had no ethnic identity, only the rise of the urban class or bourgeoisie created the idea of the nation state. So, why bother proving Greek are not a pure nation? there is no such a thing. I see you are dreaming of "liberating" South Ipeiros, well there are Greeks in Albania why shouldn't i dream of "liberating" North Ipeiros according to your logic.

      @Pados_music@Pados_musicАй бұрын
  • Paeonians were thracians-illyrians and argos was considered barbaric by hellen tribes

    @florjanflori2012@florjanflori20122 ай бұрын
    • there are those scholars who think the Paeonians were of Greek stock

      @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93912 ай бұрын
  • So your calling the Aecheans , Pelasgians

    @johnbooth1110@johnbooth11109 ай бұрын
    • They were all Pelasgians, just different tribes going to war against each other for control over trading routes.

      @LilBriskoTV_@LilBriskoTV_9 ай бұрын
    • ​@ItzAngelos_AtromitosTV mycenea was Pelasgian before the invasion of the hellenes (after the flood of Deucalion).

      @sgonzo5572@sgonzo55729 ай бұрын
    • @@sgonzo5572 The Hellenes are descendants of the Pelasgians, same with the Illyrians and Thracians. Not really any proof of invasions, just a mix of populations assimilating and start to go by different names most likely. For example, "Deucalion" is Deu + Calion= the "earth,dirt,soil+passes by,our land. These are Illyrian words, poof that Illyrians and Hellenes both are referred to as the "star people" and were most likely related.

      @LilBriskoTV_@LilBriskoTV_9 ай бұрын
    • ​@@LilBriskoTV_Pelasgia lasi. Ai ia. it Proto 🇬🇪 Georgian. Kolxi Kolxeti. Iberia

      @sofiakonermann2308@sofiakonermann23088 ай бұрын
    • Achaea was called Isa before Achaia. Its named after someone else later. And Yes It was Pelasgian Land. Just as after Achaea it was named After Pellops to Pellopense.

      @sgonzo5572@sgonzo55727 ай бұрын
  • Hellens came from north africa The only au-tok-ton in europe are the albanians (pelasgian) 🇦🇱🏛

    @pep-dx5vb@pep-dx5vbКүн бұрын
  • the pelasgians were Illyrians and not the origin of greeks. Illyrians are older than greeks. Nowadays albanians have pelasgian origin.

    @armendmurati7979@armendmurati79796 ай бұрын
    • illyrians appear for the first time around 1000 bc while the greeks 1600 bc lol

      @wankawanka3053@wankawanka30536 ай бұрын
    • but pelasgians were older than 1600 BC, so pelasgians are ancestor of illyrians.

      @armendmurati7979@armendmurati79794 ай бұрын
    • @@armendmurati7979 There is no connection berween the Illyrians of the northern Balkans and the Pelasgians of the Aeggean basin. Two completely different peoples.

      @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
    • @@rafaellagaribaldi9391 there is no conection between greeks and pelasgians as the greek says. Even the nowadays greeks aren't similar (they don't have the same genesis) with the ancient greeks. Greece is supposed to be populated from phenicians and other neighbour countries. Mostly of nowaday greek people have albanian origin but they are violently asimilated. The greek country is relatively new country and the state is established by other european countries, for example Germany. Until the last century in Thesaloniki was spoken albanian language.

      @armendmurati7979@armendmurati79794 ай бұрын
    • @@armendmurati7979 No, you have everything wrong on all counts Pelasgians were the pre-Greek people of the Aegean basin , Southern Greece, and Asia Minor. The Minoans and Cycladic civilisation were Pelasgian folk. TheMycenaeans were partially related to the Minoans but had northern European admixture from a people known as the Seima-Turbino Culture. After the fall of the Mycenaean civilisation came the Proto-Greek Dorians from the Pindus of north western Greece. Proto-Greeks were a steppe people from the forests of north eastern Europe/Russia. The Proto-Greek Dorians absorbed the Mycenaeans and the Pelasgians to form the Archaic Greeks. Modern Greeks are descendants of the Mycenaeans. From analyzing ancient DNA, it was discovered that modern Greeks are descendant of ancient Mycenaeans, which are also closely related to Minoans. Researchers suggest that this can be explained by the migration of the earliest farmers who sailed across the Aegean, a crossroads of civilizations. Now, ancient DNA reveals that living Greeks are indeed the descendants of Mycenaeans, with only a small proportion of DNA from later migrations to Greece. And the Mycenaeans themselves were closely related to the earlier Minoans, the study reveals, another great civilization that flourished on the island of Crete from 2600 B.C.E. to 1400 B.C.E. (named for the mythical King Minos). Certainly today there is a little Slavic, Venetian and Frankish admixture to modern Greeks.

      @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
  • ".. but I believe it was chiefly on account of their kinship; for THE PELASGIANS, too, WERE A GREEK NATION originally from the Peloponnesus.." -Dionysius of Halicarnassus [Roman Antiquities 1.17.2] ____________________ ".. The acropolis of the ARGIVES is said to have been founded by DANAUS, who is reputed to have surpassed so much those who reigned in this region before him that, according to Euripides, 'THROUGHOUT GREECE he laid down a law that all people hitherto NAMED PELASGIANS should be called DANAANS'.." -Strabo [Geography 8.6.9]

    @leader12334@leader123347 ай бұрын
    • You can claim to be Hellenes all you like but definitely not Pelasgian. All you have stated is only what ifs.

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76767 ай бұрын
    • @@southepirote7676 Who says that we cannot claim that we are Pelasgians; You;

      @leader12334@leader123347 ай бұрын
    • @@leader12334 Because you simply are NOT Pelasgian, they spoke a language mostly similar to Albanian and were considered to be barbaric by Greeks. Backpedaling to claim other people that have nothing to do with you just to make yourself feel superior is pathetic. You can't even function without Albanians in the present and in the future since they are the ones building all your houses while you are obsessed with people long in the past that don't even know you.

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76767 ай бұрын
    • @@southepirote7676 a) Linguists have proven that the Pelasgian language is not related to Albanian b) Historians of Antiquity such as Dionysius Halicarnassus, Strabo and Herodotus consider them ancestors of the Greeks. c) The linguists have admitted that the Pelasgians did not speak Greek, but after their mixing with Indo-European tribes (around 3000 to 2000 BC) a new language emerged and a new tribe, the Greeks.

      @leader12334@leader123347 ай бұрын
    • @@leader12334 I have already linked you the link that proves Albanian has more similaritie but KZhead is deleting them. Pelasgian and Albanian ARE synonymous and were considered to be barbaric by the Greeks. Anyone can claim others, it's only words. It's what you're saying about Dionysus if he even really said such a thing.

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76767 ай бұрын
  • Pelasg = Paloc ... Kárpat-medence , kapcsolatban áll, minden Görög régióval... Nyelvében ezrével vannak Magyarral rokon szavak ! :)

    @gyulaerdei3180@gyulaerdei3180Ай бұрын
  • The comment section is full of nationalists from both albanians and greeks. Lets clear some things up here: The term pelasgian is very complex, used by the greeks to either mean their predecessors, greek people or a mix of both. Nowadays we use it to mean the indigenous peoples of the helladic region and they most likely were paleo-europeans (not indo-europeans basically). Pelasgians were various peoples, like aegeans, minoans, cycladians, minyans, arcadians etc. Who would soon mix with the indo-european myceneans and assimilate, as well as adopt their language, mycenean, which would later become known as greek. All this mixing created the ancient greeks, with Crete playing a significant role throughout the centuries. As for the pelasgoillyrian theory, this was created by an austrian who mistakenly placed the pelasgians in Albania, Kosovo, Epirus, Macedonia (greek), maybe Paeonia and probably beyond Kosovo, basically where Dardania was placed. Pelasgians were indeed in epirus and macedonia but no more than that and they were assimilated by proto-greeks and phrygians (who later left macedonia and dorian greeks took their place). Although this theory was rejected and isnt supported by any academic, albanians took this theory to heart and along with the illyrian theory they assimilated both of these theories into their identity in a way. Communist propaganda also played a significant role to that. We cant say that pelasgians were a greek tribe because they didnt speak greek until quite later, when the myceneans showed up. Obviously thats not to say that greek people dont descend from them but we also cant say that the pelasgians spoke greek before the myceneans. We certainly cant say that the pelasgoillyrian theory is true in any way though. Albanians, specifically tosks, probably do have some pelasgian ancestry coming from the greek tribes that used to live there, but since albanians are a homogenous people and come from a thraco-illyrian and paeonian tribe in modern Western Macedonia (the albanoi) as well as the dardanoi, both of those populations were outside from historical Pelasgia and first settled north of albania and western North Macedonia. My point is that as I've said, albanians are a homogenous people, which means their ancestors were very few and probably a mix of thracian illyrian dardanian and paeonian tribes, who then would mix with each other and become a large family, and pelasgians werent in the mix, until quite later when tosk albanians settled in south albania and mixed with the remaining few epirotan (hellenic) tribes. Basically, only tosk albanians have pelasgian ancestry and it's very limited, I suspect around 5 to 10%, depending how many hellenic peoples were there before the albanian migrations. Another reason why the theory doesnt make sense is because it claims that illyrians descend from them. The illyrians were an indo european people while the pelasgians were not, and while one could say that the illyrians assimilated other local peoples in the balkans they certainly didnt absorb Epirus, where the pelasgians have already been hellenized. But most importantly what the theory means is that the illyrian language was also invented by the pelasgians. As I've said, illyrians were indo europeans and spoke an indo-european language while the pelasgians spoke indigenous languages which were non-indo european. This alone debunks the theory in its entirety and hence why it was rejected in the first place as it had many obvious holes

    @Dinosaur315@Dinosaur3156 ай бұрын
    • Who mistranslates the original ancient documents?

      @SasGiou@SasGiou5 ай бұрын
    • Your fake stories with no scientific base ...have no limits! Mythomaniac?

      @SasGiou@SasGiou5 ай бұрын
  • ????....unbelievable jinjoism...from ember hoja feud to modern-day albanian empire ...in no time at all...no mid stages no transition periods from οbscurity to glory...pardon not just simple glory but supreme glory.. presto n subito we really dont know what to admire more ...the grandeur and eminence of the albanian people or their sense of humility ... wake up and smell the coffee ...

    @linobenetti6578@linobenetti65787 күн бұрын
  • Source: A Brief History of the Greek Language (with an introduction to historical-comparative linguistics) Athens 1986 p. 66-67: 《According to GEORGIEV's theory [" Vorgiechische Sprachwissenschaft" ("Pre-Hellenic Linguistics"), 1941-45] the second layer, "the Central European Proto-Hellenics( Pelasgians), were not just Proto-Indo-Europeans, but genuine Indo-Europeans and indeed Thracoilrians and not Greeks . The Greeks came later in 1100 with the Dorians." This is obviously an extreme, unfounded and unproven theoretical position whose gaps and contradictions were severe Scientists of the prestige of KRETSCHMER, LEJEUNE, PISANI, DEVOTO SPECHT, MERIGGI, KRAHE, CHANTRAINE, SCHACHERMEYR, VENTRIS, CHA DWICK etc. (cf. below FURNE, p. 44, note 95) fought GEORGIEV's opinion based on the following main arguments: (1) From a methodological point of view, proving GEORGIEV's claims as correct requires showing that the various pro-Greek words can be interpreted by IE. This is indeed what GEORGIEV attempted, but the "laws" he invented and the multitude of interpretations he put forward to show the "Indo-Europeanness" of pre-Greek words were so far removed from the teachings of E linguistics that they were rejected by Indo- European linguists. (2) Scientifically it is not proven or arbitrary equation of GEOR in Pre-Hellenic - Thracoilrians! (3) The theory of "Panillirism", which also includes GEORGIEV's theory, has long since been abandoned.. (4) The reading of Linear B refuted the positions of the apok DIEN, that i.e. Hellenism begins with the Dorians only from 1100》

    @leader12334@leader123347 ай бұрын
    • Lmao 😂

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76767 ай бұрын
    • ​@@southepirote7676I know the truth hurts

      @leader12334@leader123347 ай бұрын
    • @@leader12334 what truth? Nothing but pure Greek nationalist propaganda, you also replied 10 TIMES over ONE comment. You are clearly pressed 🤫

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76767 ай бұрын
    • @@southepirote7676 Can you prove that is greek propaganda?

      @leader12334@leader123347 ай бұрын
    • @@southepirote7676 All my comments have sources. On the other hand your comments are just you laughing

      @leader12334@leader123347 ай бұрын
  • Pelasgians spoke an identical language to Albanian and were deemed as barbaric by the Greeks.

    @southepirote7676@southepirote76768 ай бұрын
    • I miss you my friend ! well my friend 'albanians' spoke greek until 1700-1800 AFTER JESUS Proof? Alipashiad Tools From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The Alipashiad or Alipashias (Greek: Αληπασιάδα or Αληπασιάς) is an early 19th century epic poem written in Greek by the Muslim Albanian Haxhi Shehreti. The work is inspired by and named after Ali Pasha, the Ottoman Albanian ruler of the increasingly independent Pashalik of Yanina, describing, in heroic style, his life and military campaigns. Alipashiad Article Talk Read Edit View history Tools From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The Alipashiad or Alipashias (Greek: Αληπασιάδα or Αληπασιάς) is an early 19th century epic poem written in Greek by the Muslim Albanian Haxhi Shehreti. The work is inspired by and named after Ali Pasha, the Ottoman Albanian ruler of the increasingly independent Pashalik of Yanina, describing, in heroic style, his life and military campaigns. Background "Όλος ο κόσμος γιούρτισε κιόλα τα βιλαέτια Και φέρνουν στον Αλή Πασιά φλωριά με τα σεπέτια Ώρα την ώρα Αλή Πασιάς ακόμη πλειό βαραίνει. Το όνομά του ακούσθηκε στο Ήντε στο Γεμένι, Σεφτά ρηγάτα Φράγγικα ακούσθη το ‘νομά του, Κανένας ως τα σήμερα δεν στάθηκε μπροστά του. Translation: All the world makes festivities, and all the districts: They bring Ali Pasha golden coins in coffers. Hour by hour Ali Pasha weighs more heavy: His name is heard in Hindi and in Yemen. In the Seven Frank Kingdoms his name is heard; And no one on this day had stood before him."[1] The Alipashiad was composed by Haxhi Shehreti, who was a Muslim Albanian and Ali's personal balladeer,[2] and who composed this work in Greek, considering it a more prestigious language in which to praise his master.[3] William Leake says that Shehreti had no Greek education and knew only the colloquial Greek of Albania and its borders. The language of the poem, therefore (according to Leake) represents the local vulgar dialect of the Greek language.[4] Despite the predominance of the Greek language as the language of Orthodox Christian education and culture, sometimes a form of cultural hybridity emerged in a number of 18th and early 19th century Albanian language documents, which were written using the Greek script. This was due to the fact that the Orthodox church, unlike the Catholic one, "was never to be convinced of the utility of writing in the vernacular as a means of converting the masses". Hence Greek script or language was used in various works of Albanian authors, both Christian and Muslim. An example of the latter is the composer of the Alipashiad.[3] The poem provides evidence about a period when Lord Byron, Christopoulos, Ioannis Vilaras, Ioannis Kolettis, Georgios Sakellarios and Athanasios Psalidas were among the scholarly, artistic and cultural elite of Ioannina.[4] Language The poem is written in a modern demotic Greek language and contains some dialectical interference and foreign expressions.[4] The Greek language used was based on the contemporary (vernacular) idioms of Delvine and Ioannina both places where the author lived.[5] Another decisive factor that influenced the language of composition was the scholarly Greek language which was the language used in the court of Ioannina during the time he served Ali Pasha. [6] Language The poem is written in a modern demotic Greek language and contains some dialectical interference and foreign expressions.[4] The Greek language used was based on the contemporary (vernacular) idioms of Delvine and Ioannina both places where the author lived.[5] Another decisive factor that influenced the language of composition was the scholarly Greek language which was the language used in the court of Ioannina during the time he served Ali Pasha. [6] 'Albanians' spoke better greek than me END OF discussion Time for chamico ! war dance ! opa !opa ! Best chamico ever ! Increase the audio volume! True chamico . 'why the mountains are black'? EEEhh why? kzhead.info/sun/oMxrfJqSpn-fqac/bejne.html

      @jimjim3474@jimjim34748 ай бұрын
    • ​@@jimjim3474yes, yes. Chinese spoke Greek too. Actually all of planet earth speaks Greek. Lol Greek nationalists are more entertaining than the Serbian ones 😂

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76768 ай бұрын
    • @@southepirote7676 No,no , i'm not 'nationalist' .Exactly the opposite As for Haxhi Shehreti , the muslim 'albanian' poet , his work speaks itself I know , i know , it speaks in his mother language .Yes.yes ,it was the greek language But that's life. We try to find 'arvanites' in greece and we realize that we are greeks

      @jimjim3474@jimjim34748 ай бұрын
    • ​@@southepirote7676You are Caucasian colonists.

      @branip9414@branip94147 ай бұрын
    • Probably not Identical, but would have been similar enough to have some Mutual Intelligibility. On a similar level maybe to spanish and Portuguese.

      @sgonzo5572@sgonzo55727 ай бұрын
  • The Albanians who claim that Etruscan is similar or related to modern-day Albanian are usually ultra-cringe Albanian nationalists like 'southepirote7676' and pseudo linguists who claim that somehow a heavenly race of people called the Pelasgians came first to Europe and then populated the rest of it with their kind. Also, their descendants are today’s Albanians who are also the real Aryans. There are some other theories in which the pelasgians came from Atlantis or that they were the first aliens who came to earth, but we don’t care that much about them. The “method” which these sorts of demagogues like 'southepirote7676' use is quite simple. They take a random word from any language and then try to explain it using their native language, and voila. They may even divide the word into smaller pieces and then each piece is “interpreted” using a word from your language. Then they will try to make some sort of “logical” connection using mythology. Yeah, because screw linguistics and its disciplines, the cool guys today use pseudo linguistics comparison these days.

    @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
    • 🤣🤣🤣

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76764 ай бұрын
    • who let the albanophobic bots out who who who who

      @ternocimadh5863@ternocimadh58632 ай бұрын
  • From analyzing ancient DNA, it was discovered that modern Greeks are descendant of ancient Mycenaeans, which are also closely related to Minoans - a Pelasgian folk.. Researchers reveal that this can be explained by the migration of the earliest farmers who sailed across the Aegean, a crossroads of civilizations.Ever since the days of Homer, Greeks have long idealized their Mycenaean “ancestors” in epic poems and classic tragedies that glorify the exploits of Odysseus, King Agamemnon, and other heroes who went in and out of favor with the Greek gods. Although these Mycenaeans were mythical, scholars have debated whether today’s Greeks descend from the actual Mycenaeans, who created a famous civilization that dominated mainland Greece and the Aegean Sea from about 1600 B.C.E. to 1200 B.C.E., or whether the ancient Mycenaeans simply vanished from the region.Now, ancient DNA reveals that living Greeks are indeed the descendants of Mycenaeans, with only a small proportion of DNA from later migrations to Greece. And the Mycenaeans themselves were closely related to the earlier Minoans, the study reveals, another great civilization that flourished on the island of Crete from 2600 B.C.E. to 1400 B.C.E. (named for the mythical King Minos).

    @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
    • That explains why that when Greeks do dna tests they score more balkan and slavic lmao

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76763 ай бұрын
    • ​@@southepirote7676WHO? Greeks Score about 89% greeks DNA with own admixture ! And albanians Score Only Greek high slavic romanian and Other admixture But 0% albanian 😅

      @AdrianChatzi@AdrianChatzi3 ай бұрын
    • @@AdrianChatzi Not only Albanians but even Kosove Albanians score higher Mediterranean than Greeks. Greeks are nothing more than slavs with complexes always dreaming of Albanians 😁

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76763 ай бұрын
  • The Big scam! - They are all Greek. DidTracian Pelasgians make war on Tracian Trojans? Who killed Schlieman and why?

    @VesislavDyulgerov-nr6rc@VesislavDyulgerov-nr6rcАй бұрын
  • Great documentary I have solved the mystery of the Pelasgians Nice try under the circumstances

    @dp6003@dp60034 ай бұрын
  • Pelasgians were ancestors of Hellenic , epirus trides

    @user-ec4tt3pf2t@user-ec4tt3pf2t7 ай бұрын
    • Hahaha, that's why Greeks called them barbarians 😂

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76767 ай бұрын
    • @@southepirote7676 make a test DNA.. Because you call you southepirote

      @user-ec4tt3pf2t@user-ec4tt3pf2t7 ай бұрын
    • @@user-ec4tt3pf2t Sure, after you since you think you are Pelasgian.

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76767 ай бұрын
    • @@southepirote7676 Greeks called Barbarians the Illyrians and the Arabs and Persians. Dont forget that you arent Illyrian but your name is Arberi so Berberi which is the name that Greeks gave to Arabs

      @SasGiou@SasGiou7 ай бұрын
    • @@SasGiou 😂

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76767 ай бұрын
  • the name Pelasgos has a common root with the name Ελληνι, Hellas, Pelasgiotida, Selini, pelagos etc. the Pelasgians answer very simply and clearly the ancient writers who have lived the remains of the Pelasgians such as Herodotus or Thucydides They are a Greek tribe and they speak Greek in a non-evolving stage Those who called themselves Iones Aeolians were those who were once cut off from the Pelasgians and chose their own political organization The ancient writings say it clearly, like Isocrates example Stop the stupid propaganda not honoring the honest one the name Pelasgos is synonymous with the Greek space and the genealogies of Greek mythology

    @panagiotis7946@panagiotis79468 ай бұрын
    • Wrong, Pelasgians are Albanian and were considered barbaric by Greeks.

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76768 ай бұрын
    • @@southepirote7676 your sick imagination wants something else what else do the ancient authors write? For the Peloponnese, Hesiod mentions the myth that the first inhabitant of Arcadia was a Pelasgian, and Ephorus that all Pelasgians are of Arcadian origin, a point mentioned by Strabo. And Pausanias adds that at the time when Pelasgus reigned, the whole Peloponnese was called Pelasgia or Achaic Argos. And Dionysios of Halicarnassus laments: "of the Pelasgians, the ancient Peloponnese race". Also, Herodotus notes that "as long as the Ionians lived in the Peloponnese in the region of today's Achaia, even before Danaos and Xuthos came, they were called Pelasgians Aegiales and who finally received the name Iones from Iona of Xuthos". Finally, Strabo mentions that Aeschylus in the Iketides, as well as in the Danaides, refers to the origin of the Pelasgians from Argos (E ch. B).

      @panagiotis7946@panagiotis79468 ай бұрын
    • @@panagiotis7946 Sick imagination because it goes against Greek nationalist narratives. I'll be back with sources! Just wait cuz I'm busy unlike most jobless Greek nationalists.

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76768 ай бұрын
    • Not only my friend : HERODOTUS 1, 57: "The Attic nation, the Pelasgians, repent of the change of the Hellenes and the language". _________________ Herodotus VIII, 44: "'But the Athenians over the Pelasgians, who had now called Greece, were Pelasgians called Kranaos, and over King Cecrops they were called the Cecropidas, and when Erechtheos took charge, they were renamed Athenians, and Ion of Xouthos became Athi's marshal. so they were called by this Iones .

      @leader12334@leader123348 ай бұрын
    • Also : According to KRETSCHMER theory, the Greeks, during their descent into Greece (around 3000-2000 B.C.), found a settled culturally advanced people or peoples, non-Indo-Europeans, the Pro-Greeks, whom they collectively called Pelasgians (other names of the Pelasgians: Tyrsinoi/ Tyrrenoi. Kares, Leleges. Eteocretans / Eteokarpathians). The Pelasgians spoke a Pre-Greek dialect which was preserved in the language of the Greeks. From the mixing of the Indo-European Greeks with the Pro-Hellenes, a new ethnological and linguistic race arose, the Hellenes. The Greek language preserved many pre-Greek elements that no other Indo-European language can etymologize. ~Source: Kretschmer P. Einleitung in die Geschlechte der griechischen Sprache >> 1892

      @leader12334@leader123348 ай бұрын
  • Though the genomes of the Minoans and Mycenaeans were similar, they were not identical. Interestingly, the Mycenaeans shared 16 percent of their DNA with early hunter-gatherers of eastern Europe and Siberia. The authors of the study speculate that this finding points to another early migration to Greece-one that did not reach the Minoan homestead of Crete. Researchers also observed genetic links between the Mycenaeans and modern inhabitants of Greece, “with some dilution of the early Neolithic ancestry,” the authors of the study write. The team posits that their findings “support the idea of continuity but not isolation in the history of populations of the Aegean.” As Gibbons points out, the study’s findings are particularly nifty because ancient Greeks believed that they hailed from the early inhabitants of the Aegean. Homer’s account of the Trojan War, for instance, tells of an epic battle waged by Agamemnon-king of Mycenae and leader of the Greek troops. The heroes of ancient mythology were fictional, of course, but the genetic connections between successive Greek cultures may have been very real indeed.

    @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
    • Pelasgians were indeed indigenous Albanian as declared by Greeks to be barbaric. Greeks have originated from INLAND which is they lack seafaring terminology in their language, and what sea based term they have are loaned from Albanian. Greeks are not originally Mediterranean people, the Mediterranean DNA among Greeks comes from Albanians while the original Greek DNA is Balkan. Ancestors of the Greeks lived beyond the Jirecek line most likely originated from Bulgaria or Romania. Proof that the Greeks came from a landlocked area of the Balkans. Proof that they have with NO CONNECTION to the sea is their total lack of native seafaring words, And the few words the Greeks have for sea related terms are loan words from Albanian. Epirus and Macedonia were Proto-Albanian territory - the birth place of the Albanian race. The Minoan civilisation of Crete and the Cycladic civilisation of the Aegean were Pelasgian folk nothing to do with Greeks. There is no such thing as proto Greek. Greek is a recent invention of European powers and are a mix of Albanians, Slavs Turks and Italians. Greece was originally Pelasgian territory before the arrival Greeks from north of Jirecek line. DNA tests show that Albanians are indeed Mediterranean and native in the region whereas Greeks are less Mediterranean and most slavic.

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76763 ай бұрын
    • It is not true. Agamemnon and Minelaus are descendants of Pelops, which means that they cannot be Greeks.

      @user-xc6co3ur2v@user-xc6co3ur2v2 ай бұрын
    • ​@@user-xc6co3ur2v Thats what the Max Planck Institute said. Agamemnon and Menelaus were Mycenaeans who were closely related to Minoans. However a proportion of their DNA came from Hunter gatherers (North Europeans), Mycenaeans were not Proto Greeks. Proto Greeks came from the Proto-Greek area in north westernGreece (Epirus/Macedonia) and they migrated south as Dorians in 1100 BC.

      @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93912 ай бұрын
    • @@southepirote7676 So why Romans called south Italy Magna Greacia in antiquity? Because there was no such thing as Greeks until the 18th centurie? And why didn't the Russians say they were christianized by Illyrians or Albanians but from Greeks? because there was no greek nation until the 18th centurie? Do you like ridiculing your self? you are doing great so far.

      @Pados_music@Pados_musicАй бұрын
  • Nephilim ..... ! * :)

    @gyulaerdei3180@gyulaerdei318028 күн бұрын
  • When the Albanian language will be well studied and when its oral traditions will be exhumed, then many of Homers works will be revisited and some of them will need to be corrected. Herodotus had no idea that the names of the Heroes of Homers work were clearly in the Pelasgian language.Even Homers own name can be tracked back to the Albanian language : Good and in the form Imiros means good poetry. In the Albanian language it is : Agamenon , He - ge-mendon, he who thinks , Ajax that Bloodsucker ,bloodsucker: Priamos , Mothers Son,mothers son and with an ironic meaning Son of the Earth, of the Country: Achilles , of heaven one descended from heaven: Odysseus of the Road the traveler the one who walks: Ithaka, i thak - idhnak: Droilos,Droili (os) one who fears,a coward .Many more could be added to this list. Its is not surprising if people who have studied the Albanian language say that this is the original language of Homer and that the Greeks took from the Pelasgian poets most of the songs of valor and heroines. They built big walls that are called cyclopean and for which Prof.Pokok says they were built long before Homers Greeks existed. From this strong prehistoric race only the Albanians remained. Only later was it realized that the Pelasgian were the old Ilyrians ,the first Indo-European branch, whose empire stretched from Asia minor to the Ionian and Adriatic. From the studies of young writers, like Proff. Max Mueller and Proff, POT, in the Albanian language this origin became stable. Thesse Ilyrians who still live in Albanian as Toska, Toscana, Etruscan. It is in vain to look for the gods of Greece in the etymology of her language. In the Albanian language these are very clear and their meanings are very correct. for example , Chaos emptiness, space Erebus,son of Chaos, is er-het-os, made dark: Uranos is I-Vran-os, that is, the fairy of the clodus, the Clodus: Zeus, Zaa,Zee,Zoot-God,voice of lighting: Athena is the Spoken , by speaking the word: Nemesis, nemes, that is, nam, Devils call: Muse, Mosois, is the Teacher: Venus means close to the day,the dawn. George Fred Williams wrote in 1914 : If we go back to prehistory, before the Homeric rhapsodes were sung to the gods and mythological heroes, before the Greek language was written, there lived a people known as the Pelasgiens. Albanians are the only ones who have come to this day from this powerful prehistoric race.Only in recent years has it been determined that the Pelasgians were the Ancient Ilyrians.... These Ilyrians also went to Italy under the name Toska, as they are still called in Albania, while in Italy they remained as Toska, Tuscan Etruscan.

    @southepirote7676@southepirote76764 ай бұрын
    • Oh pleeeze, we are not interested in Albanian pseudo historic crap. Go on, show us your magnificent Albanian palaces, with their magnificent frescoes, your ancient temples, your ancient coins, go on...................show them to us, where are they??? You don't have any do you, thats because you are living in fantasies.

      @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
    • I'm still waiting for you to translate that homeric Greek which you say all Albanians can understand🤣🤣😂

      @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
    • Agamemnon is a Greek name, Ἀγαμέμνων, means "very steadfast", "unbowed" or "resolute". Agamemnion was King of Mycenae in the Peloponnese. The Greek name Ajax The etymology of his given name is uncertain. By folk etymology his name was said to come from the root of aiazō αἰάζω "to lament", translating to "one who laments; mourner" The Greek name Achilles can be analyzed as a combination of ἄχος (áchos) "distress, pain, sorrow, grief" and λαός (laós) "people, soldiers, nation", resulting in a proto-form *Akhí-lāu̯os "he who has the people distressed" or "he whose people have distress".[7]] The grief or distress of the people is a theme raised numerous times in the Iliad (and frequently by Achilles himself). Achilles' role as the hero of grief or distress forms an ironic juxtaposition with the conventional view of him as the hero of κλέος kléos ("glory", usually in war).

      @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
    • @@rafaellagaribaldi9391 Το ότι στέλνει συνέχεια πηγες και σχόλια δείχνει το ποσό αβέβαιος είναι για την ιστορία του και ποσο διεστραμμένος και αγενής ειναι . Παντός να ξέρεις ότι υπάρχουν τόσοι ιστορικοί και τόσοι γλωσσολογοι που απορρίπτουν αυτά που λέει αυτός εδώ.

      @leader12334@leader123343 ай бұрын
  • Epic Hellenic 🇬🇷 History

    @aarengraves9962@aarengraves99627 ай бұрын
    • Greeks have ZERO history. Pelasgians are ALBANIAN and were considered barbaric by Greeks 😂

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76767 ай бұрын
    • Keep creating fake and delusional realities inside your tiny head.@@southepirote7676

      @aarengraves9962@aarengraves99627 ай бұрын
    • @@southepirote7676 Mπροοοοοο ! Καθε βαρβαρος σε αυτον τον κοσμο , δεν ειναι αναγκη να ειναι μονο 'αλβανος'. Ασε να παρει και κανενας αλλος το παρασημο

      @jimjim3474@jimjim34746 ай бұрын
    • ​@@southepirote7676Berbers & Arberi is the name that ancient Greeks gave to Arabs of North Africa. And don't forget that's how you call yourselves too! Pelasgians were only the Greeks according sciences!

      @geosam011@geosam0116 ай бұрын
    • @@geosam011 "According to science". There is no such thing as Greek ethnicity. Greek is only a nationalist concept 😂

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76766 ай бұрын
  • The people who live in so called Greece today used to be called "Romej" during Byzantine Empire and "Raja" during Ottoman Empire times (except the Arvanitas who used to be called always by their name like "Albani", "Arbanoi", etc.) and the name "Greece" never existed during Byzantine times. The people who live in the so called Greece today are NOT the descendants of ancient Greece (as the world history knows it). That ancient culture and civilization, went extinct times ago, like many other ancient civilizations (like Latin civilization as well, language of which is spoken only in the certain official religious ceremonies in Vatican today and for international medical terminology). During Ottoman times in the Balkans, after the big powers pushed for an uprising in the place that today is called "Greece", an independent country was formed in 1821-1832. The majority of the population there was of local Arvanitas (and Chameria) stock, they also were the backbone of the uprising for independence from the Ottoman Empire. The rest of the minority population was of Slav, Turks and Aromanian stock. After the gain of independence the place was so divided, and with a prolonged civil war that a real country could not be formed. Fearing the disintegration of the place after Ottomans left (and possibility of a return of the Ottomans), Prince Otto of Germany was brought in by European powers to clear the mess and do nation - building there. He was proclaimed King of the place by big powers and given plenipotentiary powers. The Price Otto royal family in Germany happen to be an admirer of the ancient civilizations, one of them being the extinct ancient Greek civilization, traces and archeological findings of which are also seen in that region called today "Greece" as well. Being an ancient history romantic and buff, Otto came up with the idea, that the only way to keep the place together and for a chance to build a country there, was to adopt/impose some kind of neutral/foreign ancient language and culture for all people living in that place, that will make possible for the people to stick together under one language and culture imposed on them. So with a special royal decree, he proclaimed a version of the ancient Greek (the easier one to be taught and learned by people there in those times) as an official language of the place, and also came up with the new name for the place, calling it with a special royal decree "Greece". Everything else was banned, and the new "country" formed, was ordered to be rebuild anew in resemblance of the old romantic view of the ancient Greek civilization, starting with the buildings, names of people, places, cities and villages, regions, mountains, fields and all were changed to made-up names loaned by the ancient literature of ancient Greek civilization. This of course was associated with money brought by European powers to rebuild. The more people in that place agreed with the change of their true national and ethnic identity and declare themselves artificially "Greeks/Helenes" and adopt to the new order, the more money was to be pouring in. Naturally, the strongest resistance to this artificial and made-up solution, was made by the Arvanitas (and Chameria), but at no avail. It is legendary, the loss by one vote in the Price Otto's Parliament of that time, of Arvanitas proposal to have the Albanian (Arvanite) language as an official language of the place called 'Greece" today, and to call the new country "Arvanoi" (instead of "Greece"). There is plenty of scientific and factual evidence, archival and historical documents, as well as studies and publications by major authors and authorities in the field about as above. One interesting fact here, is that one of the earlier German/Austrian well known historians and scientists of that time, Fallmerayer, alerted Prince Otto and others to this nonsense, of declaring a whole people and place by a name not belonging to them, and injecting an extinct language, culture and civilization on people who had no idea about it and did not belong to it at all. Well, Fallmerayer may have proven to be right. By the way, Fallmerayer, is a banned figure and historian in what is called Greece today. Germany is still paying for the Otto's mistake, even today. It has gotten stuck with the country so called "Greece". It is now forced to pour free money, even today, out of Germany's pocket (through European Union as well) year after year to keep it alive and going, as this "Greece" cannot stand on its own. It is an artificial creation of Prince Otto's fantasy (a "zombie" country so to speak), and the new generations of the Germans and Europeans are continuing to pay the price for it. Moreover, what Prince Otto did back then, is tantamount to ethnic cleansing. He forced inhabitants of a whole region/place (called "Greece" today) to change by force their culture, language, national and ethnic identity to something else that those people were not, so they could artificially change in order to look modern and civilized (like ancient Greeks in Otto's personal view) and possibly be united. And of course, Arvanites and Chams (as the majority population in the region) suffered mostly from this ethnic cleansing. All this revelation, informs another major point: history taught about what today is called Greece, it appears to be taught wrong. People are wrongly taught in schools that today's Greece and its people are the direct descendants of ancient Greeks. Greece and Greeks of today, in some extend, also think they are superior to others just because they are called "Greeks" and their country "Greece" by decree (not by the virtue of the truth). They also seem to believe for some reason, they are entitled to the German and European money being handed out to them. The school textbooks and historiography should change, telling people the truth as it is. And with this, will come many other changes, in the way we see relations with the country called "Greece" today

    @southepirote7676@southepirote76763 ай бұрын
    • Greek Race greeks regions : we arvanites belong to greek epirotes also Other Greek Tribes makedonians thrakiots pelloponese Central greeks islanders cretans Asia Minor greeks Antiochian greeks cypriots partly the Pontian greeks and cappadokian greeks We arvanites in genetic :The Arvanites are a group of Albanian speaking Greeks who have been living in Greece for one thousand years. They are thought to have come to Greece as mercenaries. The Great Empires gave them lands where they eventually settled down in payment for their service.Arvanites and Tsakones of Peloponnesus 2.bp.blogspot.com/-dyoF70x4HVw/V3kGLzeTbJI/AAAAAAAAFuQ/nk-Nm1is3Kgi_WonFyuEArWw7gL-X3kIwCLcB/s1600/peloponnese.jpg The Greek anthropologist Thomas Pitsios studied the Tsakones and Arvanites regarding their anthropological characteristics in a publication in the journal Anthropologischer Anzeiger, entitled "Anthropologische Untersuchung der Bevolkerung des Peloponnes unter besonderer Berucksichtigung der Arwaniten und Tsakonen". www.pdf-archive.com/2015/05/20/arvtsak/ The history of Arvanites is summarized and then referred to the dispute concerning the relationship with the Albanians. Then Pitsios examines the anthropological traits of Arvanites contrasting them with those resulting from the study of Albanians by Coon, a sample of over 1000 people. The table with the measurements are the following: previews.pdf-archive.com/2015/05/20/arvtsak/preview-arvtsak-9.jpg previews.pdf-archive.com/2015/05/20/arvtsak/preview-arvtsak-10.jpg Albanians compared with the inhabitants of Peloponnesus in general and especially with Arvanites in Sofiko of Korinthos, in Ermionida of Argolis, Triphylia of Messinia and in Stymphalia of Korinthos. It shows that Albanians have a higher stature than the Peloponnesians, lower diameter of lower jaw, greater nose height, higher face index and lower nasal index. Differences identified in other morphological features. Albanians have most often small nostrils, less often wavy hair, much less hair growth of beard, more often intermediate eye color. The results are given in a separate table in the study. The data show that Albanians are showing the typical features of Dinarics, with high stature, without angles to the jaws, large nose height combined with leptorrinia(thin nose), leptoprosopy(thin face) trend, not strong facial hair growth and often intermediate eye color. In contrast, Arvanites of Greece diverge from these attributes. The Peloponnesians belong in their majority to the known Helladic types, ie the Mediterranean, the Alpine, the dinaric and the Cromagnoid. The Arvanites not seem to stand out, displaying common features with other inhabitants of Peloponnesus.

      @AdrianChatzi@AdrianChatzi3 ай бұрын
    • Greek DNA :Ever since the days of Homer, Greeks have long idealized their Mycenaean "ancestors" in epic poems and classic tragedies that glorify the exploits of Odysseus, King Agamemnon, and other heroes who went in and out of favor with the Greek gods. Although these Mycenaeans were fictitious, scholars have debated whether today's Greeks descend from the actual Mycenaeans, who created a famous civilization that dominated mainland Greece and the Aegean Sea from about 1600 B.C.E. to 1200 B.C.E., or whether the ancient Mycenaeans simply vanished from the region. Now, ancient DNA suggests that living Greeks are indeed the descendants of Mycenaeans, with only a small proportion of DNA from later migrations to Greece. And the Mycenaeans themselves were closely related to the earlier Minoans, the study reveals, another great civilization that flourished on the island of Crete from 2600 B.C.E. to 1400 B.C.E. (named for the mythical King Minos). BACK TO ALL NEWS NEWS ARCHAEOLOGY The Greeks really do have near-mythical origins, ancient DNA reveals Analysis connects Greeks to the famed Mycenaeans and Minoans 2 AUG. 2017 BYANN GIBBONS A Mycenaean woman depicted on a fresco at Mycenae on mainland Greece.© YANN FORGET/WIKIMEDIA COMMONS SHARE: Facebook Twitter Linked In Reddit Wechat Email Ever since the days of Homer, Greeks have long idealized their Mycenaean "ancestors" in epic poems and classic tragedies that glorify the exploits of Odysseus, King Agamemnon, and other heroes who went in and out of favor with the Greek gods. Although these Mycenaeans were fictitious, scholars have debated whether today's Greeks descend from the actual Mycenaeans, who created a famous civilization that dominated mainland Greece and the Aegean Sea from about 1600 B.C.E. to 1200 B.C.E., or whether the ancient Mycenaeans simply vanished from the region. Now, ancient DNA suggests that living Greeks are indeed the descendants of Mycenaeans, with only a small proportion of DNA from later migrations to Greece. And the Mycenaeans themselves were closely related to the earlier Minoans, the study reveals, another great civilization that flourished on the island of Crete from 2600 B.C.E. to 1400 B.C.E. (named for the mythical King Minos).  The Lion Gate was the main entrance to the Bronze Age citadel of Mycenae, the center of the Mycenaean civilization. RNDMS/ISTOCKPHOTO The ancient DNA comes from the teeth of 19 people, including 10 Minoans from Crete dating to 2900 B.C.E. to 1700 BCE, four Mycenaeans from the archaeological site at Mycenae and other cemeteries on the Greek mainland dating from 1700 B.C.E. to 1200 B.C.E., and five people from other early farming or Bronze Age (5400 B.C.E. to 1340 B.C.E.) cultures in Greece and Turkey. By comparing 1.2 million letters of genetic code across these genomes to those of 334 other ancient people from around the world and 30 modern Greeks, the researchers were able to plot how the individuals were related to each other. The ancient Mycenaeans and Minoans were most closely related to each other, and they both got three-quarters of their DNA from early farmers who lived in Greece and southwestern Anatolia, which is now part of Turkey, the team reports today in Nature. Both cultures additionally inherited DNA from people from the eastern Caucasus, near modern-day Iran, suggesting an early migration of people from the east after the early farmers settled there but before Mycenaeans split from Minoans. The Mycenaeans did have an important difference: They had some DNA-4% to 16%-from northern ancestors who came from Eastern Europe or Siberia. This suggests that a second wave of people from the Eurasian steppe came to mainland Greece by way of Eastern Europe or Armenia, but didn't reach Crete, says Iosif Lazaridis, a population geneticist at Harvard University who co-led the study. Not surprisingly, the Minoans and Mycenaeans looked alike, both carrying genes for brown hair and brown eyes. Artists in both cultures painted dark-haired, dark-eyed people on frescoes and pottery who resemble each other, although the two cultures spoke and wrote different languages. The Mycenaeans were more militaristic, with art replete with spears and images of war, whereas Minoan art showed few signs of warfare, Lazaridis says. Because the Minoans script used hieroglyphics, some archaeologists thought they were partly Egyptian, which turns out to be false. When the researchers compared the DNA of modern Greeks to that of ancient Mycenaeans, they found a lot of genetic overlap. Modern Greeks share similar proportions of DNA from the same ancestral sources as Mycenaeans, although they have inherited a little less DNA from ancient Anatolian farmers and a bit more DNA from later migrations to Greece. The continuity between the Mycenaeans and living people is "particularly striking given that the Aegean has been a crossroads of civilizations for thousands of years," says co-author George Stamatoyannopoulos of the University of Washington in Seattle. This suggests that the major components of the Greeks' ancestry were already in place in the Bronze Age, after the migration of the earliest farmers from Anatolia set the template for the genetic makeup of Greeks and, in fact, most Europeans. "The spread of farming populations was the decisive moment when the major elements of the Greek population were already provided," says archaeologist Colin Renfrew of the University of Cambridge in the United Kingdom, who was not involved in the work. The results also show it is possible to get ancient DNA from the hot, dry landscape of the eastern Mediterranean, Renfrew says. He and others now have hope for getting DNA from groups such as the mysterious Hittites who came to ancient Anatolia sometime before 2000 B.C.E. and who may have been the source of Caucasian ancestry in Mycenaeans and early Indo-European languages in the region. Archaeologist Kristian Kristiansen of the University of Gothenburg in Sweden, who was not involved in the work, agrees. "The results have now opened up the next chapter in the genetic history of western Eurasia-that of the Bronze Age Mediterranean. Published by american schience

      @AdrianChatzi@AdrianChatzi3 ай бұрын
    • Im arvanite and im Greek 🇬🇷 About US arvanites :The Arvanites are a group of Albanian speaking Greeks who have been living in Greece for one thousand years. They are thought to have come to Greece as mercenaries. The Great Empires gave them lands where they eventually settled down in payment for their service Arvanites and Tsakones of Peloponnesus 2.bp.blogspot.com/-dyoF70x4HVw/V3kGLzeTbJI/AAAAAAAAFuQ/nk-Nm1is3Kgi_WonFyuEArWw7gL-X3kIwCLcB/s1600/peloponnese.jpg The Greek anthropologist Thomas Pitsios studied the Tsakones and Arvanites regarding their anthropological characteristics in a publication in the journal Anthropologischer Anzeiger, entitled "Anthropologische Untersuchung der Bevolkerung des Peloponnes unter besonderer Berucksichtigung der Arwaniten und Tsakonen". www.pdf-archive.com/2015/05/20/arvtsak/ The history of Arvanites is summarized and then referred to the dispute concerning the relationship with the Albanians. Then Pitsios examines the anthropological traits of Arvanites contrasting them with those resulting from the study of Albanians by Coon, a sample of over 1000 people. The table with the measurements are the following: previews.pdf-archive.com/2015/05/20/arvtsak/preview-arvtsak-9.jpg previews.pdf-archive.com/2015/05/20/arvtsak/preview-arvtsak-10.jpg Albanians compared with the inhabitants of Peloponnesus in general and especially with Arvanites in Sofiko of Korinthos, in Ermionida of Argolis, Triphylia of Messinia and in Stymphalia of Korinthos. It shows that Albanians have a higher stature than the Peloponnesians, lower diameter of lower jaw, greater nose height, higher face index and lower nasal index. Differences identified in other morphological features. Albanians have most often small nostrils, less often wavy hair, much less hair growth of beard, more often intermediate eye color. The results are given in a separate table in the study. The data show that Albanians are showing the typical features of Dinarics, with high stature, without angles to the jaws, large nose height combined with leptorrinia(thin nose), leptoprosopy(thin face) trend, not strong facial hair growth and often intermediate eye color. In contrast, Arvanites of Greece diverge from these attributes. The Peloponnesians belong in their majority to the known Helladic types, ie the Mediterranean, the Alpine, the dinaric and the Cromagnoid. The Arvanites not seem to stand out, displaying common features with other inhabitants of Peloponnesus. Remember zervas your Killers even in 1821 we Killed you 😅 we know U hate US arvanites to have our Lands But dosnt Work it

      @AdrianChatzi@AdrianChatzi3 ай бұрын
    • report fake info #southepirote7676propagandatroll

      @ternocimadh5863@ternocimadh58632 ай бұрын
  • DNA Analysis Sheds Light on the Mysterious Origins of the Ancient Greeks Scholars have long puzzled over the ancestry of the Minoans and Myceneans, two important Bronze Age cultures During the Bronze Age, two important civilizations emerged in Greece: the Minoans and, later, the Mycenaeans. These ancient peoples were among the earliest of the so-called “high cultures” of Europe: they communicated with sophisticated writing systems, painted elaborate frescoes, and-in the case of the Mycenaeans-built fortifications so large that later Greeks believed the structures had been created by giants. researchers recently conducted an extensive genomic analysis of Minoan and Mycenaean DNA. Their findings suggest that the two groups shared common ancestry, and that they are genetically linked to the Greeks of today.

    @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
    • Yes, yes. Jesus was Greek too 😂

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76764 ай бұрын
    • ​@@southepirote7676ridiculus when U try so hard to make US claimers and when Here speaks schientists about that! Claimers are the albos WHO try to Steal everything from everywhere 😅 and also a Professor from U Said also that Jesus was albanian 😅 so speak about urself

      @AdrianChatzi@AdrianChatzi3 ай бұрын
  • why no one ancient say illyrian pelasgian race? or albanians of balkan because is not pelasgian....

    @nikosmihalo4706@nikosmihalo47068 ай бұрын
    • Balkan Albanians are Caucasian Albanians.

      @branip9414@branip94147 ай бұрын
    • Herodotus, The Histories, Book 2, chapter 52, section 1 Formerly, in all their sacrifices, the Pelasgians called upon gods without giving name or appellation to any (I know this, because I was told at Dodona); for as yet they had not heard of such. They called them gods (1) from the fact that, besides setting everything in order, they maintained all the dispositions. (1) On the supposition that θεός meant “a disposer,” connected with θεσμός, τίθημι, etc. section 2 [2] Then, after a long while, first they learned the names of the rest of the gods, which came to them from Egypt, and, much later, the name of Dionysus; and presently they asked the oracle at Dodona about the names; for this place of divination, held to be the most ancient in Hellas, was at that time the only one. section 3 [3] When the Pelasgians, then, asked at Dodona whether they should adopt the names that had come from foreign parts, the oracle told them to use the names. From that time onwards they used the names of the gods in their sacrifices; and the Greeks received these later from the Pelasgians

      @user-xc6co3ur2v@user-xc6co3ur2v7 ай бұрын
    • @@user-xc6co3ur2v are you trying to prove that the pelasgian are albanians because if that's the case it's not working

      @wankawanka3053@wankawanka30536 ай бұрын
    • @@wankawanka3053 Не

      @user-xc6co3ur2v@user-xc6co3ur2v6 ай бұрын
  • Facts about the Origins of the Modern Greek State . 1. The first King of Greece is the Bavarian Prince Otto 2 The Typical Greek of the time spoke Arvanite a language very closely related to Albanian so it is a Albanian dialect, 3 The national costumes of Greek is the Albanian Fustanella 4 The national Dance of the Greek independence is the Albanian Chamiko The Dance of the Chams /Came -a subgroup of Albanians in Greece. 5 In the Year 1831 Athens was made up of 8000 houses where most of the Inhabitants were Albanians -Helene Glykatzi-Ahrweiler. 6 The majority of Greek soldiers spoke in Albanian to one another Parnassos Magazine. History of The Greek flag in 1822 Greece adopts this flag its naval ensign. in 1828 in battle of Navarino Britain liberated Greece from Turks. In 1978 same flag becomes Greek national flag. Greek national Flag is British Colonial Blue Ensign Flag. Theodor Momsen : The survivors of the Ilyrians are the Albanians. Kelly Miller : The Balkan battlefield is exactly the center of world History. Wadham Peacok : The man who marched to Babylon Persia and India were the ancestors of the Albanians. Nikolla Jorga : The Albanians people together and the Basques one are the oldest in Europe. Joseph Salinger : The Epirotic language of the past is the Albanian language of Today. Branislav Nusic : The Albanians are indigenous who during all the agitations managed to save their character and even emphasized it.They resisted on Romans attacks and survived the slavic migrations. Edith Durham They are strewn with the wreckage of dead Empires past powers only the Albanian gos on forever. Robert Gordon Latham : Macedonia and Thracia were Albanian / Skipetar.Franz Bopp : Albanian is the oldest indoeuropean language. Alphons de Lamartine : Albanians this nation and this people can not be mocked .This is the Land of Heroes of all time .Homer found there Achilles the Greeks the Alexander the Great.Turks found Scanderbeg people these of the same race the same Blood. Mauricio Druon : Albanians belong to the Nations who are older then the History.and the Grandfathers of Albanians took part in trhe Troy War,ruled by Hector on one part and by Achilles on the other part. Gottfried Wilhelm Leibnitz : Albanian is the old language of the Ilyrians. Edwin Pears : Albanians are the Descendants of the oldest race in the Balkanic Peninsula an Aryan Race.Even the word Aryan in their language means pure Gold. Maximilian Lambretz : The tru History of the Humanity will be written only when it will be written with participation of Albanians. Jovan Cvijic : South Slavs after arrived in the Balkans found there the Albanians who under their pressure Slavs retreated southward and to most mountains Areas. Edwin Jacues : Ilyrians or Albanians those tireless sons, were warriors of the Albania ethnic. Ancestors of Achilles , Philip II,Alexander the Great and Pyrros of Epirus.Johan Georg von Hahn : The Albanian derives from Ilyrians and the Ilyrians from Pelasgian one. Henri Barisford : In Macedonia Albanians are the only indigenous people. General Niox : Albanians are of Pelasgian origin they are considered one of the most beautiful and courageous races. Gustav Meyer : The Albanian language is the oldest language in Europe. Herbert David : Albanians are the oldest inhabitants of the Balkans, and they are the gods of the mountains from very ancient times. They are the descendants of the ancient Pellazgia, no other race has a valid claim to the territories of the Albanians. Lord Byron : Albanians with their customs make a most wonderful scenery in the world. Albanians are the most beautiful human race exists courages, stronger than their strongholds. Konstandin Paparigopuolos : Only the Albanians are considered descendants of the Ilyrian Race. Gustav Meyer Albanians are the young Ilyrians and the Ilyrians are the Descendannts of Pellazgi. Gottfried Wilhelm Leibnitz : If you want to discover the History before Christ and the science at that time , you have to learn the Albanian language. Strabo : Between Greece , Thrace and Danube are the Tribes of Epirots , Macedonians and Ilyrians.

    @southepirote7676@southepirote76763 ай бұрын
    • "An etymological analysis of over 4,400 Albanian words revealed 32 per cent to be of Romance origin, 26 per cent Turkish, 21 per cent Greek, 12 per cent Slav, and only 9 per cent Illyrian." -Encyclopedia Americana page. 325 ___________________ Source: Concise History of the Greek Language (with an introduction to historical-comparative linguistics) p. 41 "The Albanian language is known only from the 15th century AD from a translation of the Gospel according to Matthew, it is distinguished into Greek and Tuscan.... ....The older view that Albanian probably continues the ancient Illyrian language is not widely accepted. The famous linguist KRAHE H. proved that Albanian is not related to Illyrian. Illyrian is continued in Lower Italy by the Messapian language" ______________________ Brug 1985, σελ. 41: "The Greek sources identify the Pelasgians as forerunners of the Greeks in the Peloponnesus and Attica." ______________________ Abel 1966, σελ. 13: "Common fifth century tradition claimed not only that the Pelasgians were the oldest inhabitants of Greece and among the ancestors of the Greek heroes." ____________________ Harrison 1998, pp. 25-26: "Herodotus' account, for example, of the adoption by the Pelasgians of the names of the gods (2.52.1) suggests a much closer relationship between the Pelasgian and Greek languages. Before they heard the names of the gods, the Pelasgians (assuming, interestingly, the existence of a number of gods) called them simply θεοί, on the grounds that they had 'established (θέντες) all affairs in their order'. This etymology, advanced apparently in all seriousness, seems to suggest that the Pelasgians spoke a language at least 'akin to' Greek." ______________________ Larcher, Pierre-Henri (1844). Notes on Herodotus: Historical and Critical Comments on the History of Herodotus, with a Chronological Table. Whittaker. p. 54. "If this affiliation of language be admitted, then the Pelasgians and Greeks were of the same race." _______________________ Schwandner-Sievers & Fischer ;Stephanie Schwandner-Sievers and Bernd Jürgen Fischer, editors of Albanian Identities: " The "Pelasgian" myth of Albanians as the most ancient community in southeastern Europe is just a myth by modern scholars " _______________________ "If the Pelasgians were not Indo-Europeans, the name in this derivation must have been assigned by the Hellenes." - Gladstone, William Ewart (1858). Studies on Homer and the Homeric Age. I. Oxford, United Kingdom: Oxford University Press. ___________________

      @leader12334@leader123343 ай бұрын
    • Albanian Academic Professor Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: "The Albanian professors consciously hide the truth about the origins of the Albanians and, instead truth, to their pupils and students they serve up the lies about their autochthony and Illyrian origin. This is not done accidentally, but with the aim to incite the Albanians against the neighbouring nations" In terms of historical theories, an outdated theory is the 19th century theory that Albanians specifically descend from the Pelasgians, a broad term used by classical authors to denote the autochthonous, pre-Indo-European inhabitants of Greece and the southern Balkans in general. There is no evidence about the possible language, customs, and existence of the Pelasgians as a distinct and homogeneous people, and thus any particular connection to this population is unfounded. This theory was developed by the Austrian Johann Georg von Hahn in his work Albanesische Studien in 1854. According to Hahn, the Pelasgians were the original proto-Albanians, and the language spoken by the Pelasgians, Illyrians, Epirotes, and ancient Macedonians were closely related. In Hahn's theory; the term Pelasgians was mostly used as a synonym for Illyrians. This theory quickly attracted support in Albanian circles, as it established a claim of predecence over other Balkan nations, particularly the Greeks. In addition to establishing "historic right" to territory, this theory also established that the ancient Greek civilization and its achievements had an "Albanian" origin. The theory gained staunch support among early 20th-century Albanian publicists. This theory is rejected by scholars today. In contemporary times, with the Arvanite revival of the Pelasgian theory, it has also been recently borrowed by other Albanian speaking populations within and from Albania in Greece to counter the negative image of their communities. In addition, the meaning of Albania's Dardania comes from the same Austrian Johann Georg von Hahn, and he proposed that the names Dardanoi and Dardania were related to the Albanian word pear, pear-tree."

      @leader12334@leader123343 ай бұрын
    • "The language of the Albanians is unformed and adulterated. In many areas Italian elements have been incorporated into the language, in others Greek and in others Slavonic. Therefore Albanians who live fifty or sixty miles apart do not understand each other. In addition, there are racial differences between the Gegs who live in the wild north and the Tosks in the less rugged south. One would say that they belong to different ethnicities. And indeed this is the case. It would be easy to prove that the Albanians are not one people but half a dozen peoples." Sir John Foster Fraser, "Pictures from the Balkans", CHAPTER XXIV. THE ALBANIANS, p. 257-258)

      @leader12334@leader123343 ай бұрын
    • "There were no noticeable Albanian speaking communities in the cities of the Albanian coast throughout the Middle Ages. Durrës was inhabited by the Venetians, Greeks, Jews, and Slavs; Shkodra by the Venetians and Slavs; and Vlora by the Byzantine Greeks. Names of towns and rivers in Albania, always a good indicator of settlement patterns, are to a surprising extent Slavic. It is thought that a considerable proportion of the Albanians had already been assimilated by the eve of the Turkish invasion." Robert Elsie - Historical Dictionary of Albania 2010, 2nd Edition 20: 44/40 : 17- Documents About Skanderbeg > Was Skanderbeg ? Factual Data Exposes The Hidden Truth

      @leader12334@leader123343 ай бұрын
    • "We know the ancient Macedonians were fundamentally Greeks. That is to say, they were Greek speakers and ethnically they were Greeks." (Yale University, "Introduction to Ancient Greek History, Philip, Demosthenes and the Fall of the Polis", 2007) "The ancient Macedonians form part of the Greek ethnos, hence they also shared in the common religions and cultural features of the Hellenic World." ("The Oxford Classical Dictionary" 3rd ed.- Macedonia, Cults, p. 905)

      @leader12334@leader123343 ай бұрын
  • Pelasgians are the ancestors of Albanians Some italians and some greeks also ( although much less)

    @sgonzo5572@sgonzo55729 ай бұрын
    • Pelasgians is a Slavic Polaks, or Serbs, Balkan Albanians is a Caucasian Albanians.

      @branip9414@branip94147 ай бұрын
    • Uh Guy. Arcadia was Called Pelasgia, Greece was called Pelasgia. Its written By ancient greeks themselves who admit that Pelasgians werent hellens but much later after hellenization mixed and no longer called themselved Pelasgian. While other Pelasgians kept their language which was barbaric to Greeks. In fact Arcas was the Grandson of Pelasgus of Mycenae. Arcadia was named after him. before him it was reffered as Pelasgia. Like the rest of ancient Pelasgic Land. Albanians aren't Abanians Caucus. Maybe your the kind of guy that thinks Spain is in the Caucus mountains ( Iberia)? or Maybe that Syracuse New york is where Ancient Greek Islanders Actually lived In classical Greek era.

      @sgonzo5572@sgonzo55727 ай бұрын
  • the descandants of pelasgians are only Albanians the greeks never existed until 18th century greek name didn't exist on map show us a old balkan map before 18th century with greek name so don't make fake vidio because the true history is on archives and not fake books to manipulated by greek priests

    @illyriankingdom8810@illyriankingdom88107 ай бұрын
    • Illyrians came to Ainus peninsula 1000 years after Pelasgians & Greeks. Albanians came to Ainus peninsula at a.c. during Roman & later during Ottoman empire and they arent a tribe but many!

      @SasGiou@SasGiou7 ай бұрын
    • 😂 Delusional disorder now can be cured with Psychonalysi and the proper medication. I feel the need to say I'm sorry. For the reason, we did not find yet The cure to treat your inferiority Complex.

      @yorgos19681@yorgos196816 ай бұрын
  • The place called Greece never existed before as we know it today. The people who live in so called Greece today used to be called "Romej" during Byzantine Empire and "Raja" during Ottoman Empire times (except the Arvanitas who used to be called always by their name like "Albani", "Arbanoi", etc.) and the name "Greece" never existed during Byzantine times. The people who live in the so called Greece today are NOT the descendants of ancient Greece (as the world history knows it). That ancient culture and civilization, went extinct times ago, like many other ancient civilizations (like Latin civilization as well, language of which is spoken only in the certain official religious ceremonies in Vatican today and for international medical terminology). During Ottoman times in the Balkans, after the big powers pushed for an uprising in the place that today is called "Greece", an independent country was formed in 1821-1832. The majority of the population there was of Arvanitas (and Chameria) stock, they also were the backbone of the uprising for independence from the Ottoman Empire. The rest of the minority population was of Slav, Turks and Aromanian stock. After the gain of independence the place was so divided, and with a prolonged civil war that a real country could not be formed. Fearing the disintegration of the place after Ottomans left (and possibility of a return of the Ottomans), Prince Otto of Germany was brought in by European powers to clear the mess and do nation - building there. He was proclaimed King of the place by big powers and given plenipotentiary powers. The Price Otto royal family in Germany happen to be an admirer of the ancient civilizations, one of them being the extinct ancient Greek civilization, traces and archeological findings of which are also seen in that region called today "Greece" as well. Being an ancient history romantic and buff, Otto came up with the idea, that the only way to keep the place together and for a chance to build a country there, was to adopt/impose some kind of neutral/foreign ancient language and culture for all people living in that place, that will make possible for the people to stick together under one language and culture imposed on them. So with a special royal decree, he proclaimed a version of the ancient Greek (the easier one to be taught and learned by people there in those times) as an official language of the place, and also came up with the new name for the place, calling it with a special royal decree "Greece". Everything else was banned, and the new "country" formed, was ordered to be rebuild anew in resemblance of the old romantic view of the ancient Greek civilization, starting with the buildings, names of people, places, cities and villages, regions, mountains, fields and all were changed to made-up names loaned by the ancient literature of ancient Greek civilization. This of course was associated with money brought by European powers to rebuild. The more people in that place agreed with the change of their true national and ethnic identity and declare themselves artificially "Greeks/Helenes" and adopt to the new order, the more money was to be pouring in. Naturally, the strongest resistance to this artificial and made-up solution, was made by the Arvanitas (and Chameria), but at no avail. It is legendary, the loss by one vote in the Price Otto's Parliament of that time, of Arvanitas proposal to have the Albanian (Arvanite) language as an official language of the place called 'Greece" today, and to call the new country "Arvanoi" (instead of "Greece"). There is plenty of scientific and factual evidence, archival and historical documents, as well as studies and publications by major authors and authorities in the field about as above. One interesting fact here, is that one of the earlier German/Austrian well known historians and scientists of that time, Fallmerayer, alerted Prince Otto and others to this nonsense, of declaring a whole people and place by a name not belonging to them, and injecting an extinct language, culture and civilization on people who had no idea about it and did not belong to it at all. Well, Fallmerayer may have proven to be right. By the way, Fallmerayer, is a banned figure and historian in what is called Greece today. Germany is still paying for the Otto's mistake, even today. It has gotten stuck with the country so called "Greece". It is now forced to pour free money, even today, out of Germany's pocket (through European Union as well) year after year to keep it alive and going, as this "Greece" cannot stand on its own. It is an artificial creation of Prince Otto's fantasy (a "zombie" country so to speak), and the new generations of the Germans and Europeans are continuing to pay the price for it. Moreover, what Prince Otto did back then, is tantamount to ethnic cleansing. He forced inhabitants of a whole region/place (called "Greece" today) to change by force their culture, language, national and ethnic identity to something else that those people were not, so they could artificially change in order to look modern and civilized (like ancient Greeks in Otto's personal view) and possibly be united. And of course, Arvanites and Chams (as the majority population in the region) suffered mostly from this ethnic cleansing. All this revelation, informs another major point: history taught about what today is called Greece, it appears to be taught wrong. People are wrongly taught in schools that today's Greece and its people are the direct descendants of ancient Greeks. Greece and Greeks of today, in some extend, also think they are superior to others just because they are called "Greeks" and their country "Greece" by decree (not by the virtue of the truth). They also seem to believe for some reason, they are entitled to the German and European money being handed out to them. The school textbooks and historiography should change, telling people the truth as it is. And with this, will come many other changes, in the way we see relations with the country called "Greece" today

    @southepirote7676@southepirote76767 ай бұрын
    • This phrase comes from various online chauvinist pseudo-historians, but it is easily debunked if we look back to historical documents and records between the 15th and 18th centuries, in which there are several references (and in many cases entire chapters) to Greeks and Greece. It should be noted that the term 'Greece' described the geographical expansion of the Greek race and civilization since there was no Greek state at that time. One example is the collection of memorandums titled "Nouveaux memories des missions de la Compagnie de Jesus dans le Levant", published 115 years before the establishment of the Modern Greek state, which records great number of Greeks in the biggest Ottoman cities like Constantinople, Smyrna, Thessaloniki. In page 59 we also read that Macedonia is part of Greece (slides 4,5,6,7). In an earlier account of William Lithgow (1582-1645) titled "Travels and voyages through Europe, Asia and Africa" we read:

      @leader12334@leader123347 ай бұрын
    • Lastly, the letter of the last slide, written in 1790 by "Deputies of the Greek Islands" to the Empress of Russia, asking for assistance to free Greece from the Turks, proves that the authors of the letter were conscious of an ancient Greek heritage and they were conscious of the Greek nation - concepts that keyboard pseudo-historians and their minions claim were artificially manufactured post 19th century! Above all this letter destroys the position that Greece was artificially manufactured since it clearly illustrates one example of a grass roots movement to free Greece.

      @leader12334@leader123347 ай бұрын
    • Greek culture and nation did not cease to exist because of the Roman conquest (as many people think) and this is confirmed by the Roman lyric poet Horace, who claims that even though Greece was conquered by the Romans, the Greek culture took possession of Rome:

      @leader12334@leader123347 ай бұрын
    • Alexander Kazhdan (historian) emphasizes that, although the Byzantine Empire contained some minorities, (Armenians, Italians, Slavs), it was a Greek empire . ~Source: Alexander Kazhdan and Antony Cutler, "Continuity and Discontinuity in Byzantine History", Byzantion vol. 32 (1982), p. 465 ____________________ Gyula Moravcsik writes that it is preferable to speak of Hellenology rather than Byzantineology . ~Source:Byzantion, vol. 25 (1965), pp.291-301 ______________________ Bowerstock Glen W., Historian: ~Source:Tradition and Innovation in Late Antiquity, Madison, Wis. 1989, p. 10 [9] Greek Mythology in Byzantine Art, p. 207

      @leader12334@leader123347 ай бұрын
    • By the 6th century AD, Byzantines identified themselves as Romans and Greeks. "Roman" was for formal use while the common appellation was "Greek", which served to separate the Greeks from people without Greek origin . ~Source: Stouraitis loannis, Byzantine Romanness: From geopolitical to ethnic conceptions, In Transformations of Romanness in the Early Middle Ages: Early Medieval Regions and Identities (Millennium Studies 71), p. 29 _____________________ The historian Priscus (5th century) referred to someone who identified himself as Greek: "he said that he was Greek" (ἔλεγε Γραικὸς μὲν εἶναι τὸ γένος) ~Source: Priscus (1979), Prisci Panitae fragmenta, Fr. 8, I. 476 ______________________ During the reign of the Comneni (1081-1204), the term Hellene became again an ethnic designation , signifying people of Greek origin, who also shared a common Hellenic education. ~Source: ○Kaldellis Anthony, Hellenism in Byzantium, The Transformations of Greek Identity and the Reception of the Classical Tradition, Cambridge University Press, p. 283-300 ○ Tzetzes Joannes, Epistulae, In loannis Tzetzae epistulae, Edited by Pietro Luigi Leone, Ep. 6, 10.5 ________________________ John Tzetzes (11101180), a Byzantine poet and grammarian, declared proudly that he was a pure Hellene (έK Sé γε πατρὸς καθαρῶς τυγχάνοντα Ἕλληνα) [4]. In an anonymous text of the same century, the author described the common people as autochthonous Hellenes (αὐτόχθων ὄχλος καὶ ιθαγενής... Ἑλλήνων тwν áпаνтаɣоυ) ~Source: Romano Roberto, Pseudo-Luciano, Timarione: testo critico, introduzione, traduzione, commentario e lessico, Byzantina et neo-hellenica neapolitana 2, Naples: Università di Napoli, Cattedra di filologia bizantina, 1.117-118 __________________ Another passage of importance is found in a letter written by John III Ducas Vatatzes (1193-1254), Emperor of Nicaea, and addressed to the Pope, supporting that "among our Hellenic genos wisdom prevails" (ἐν τῷ γένει τῶν Ἑλλήνων ἡμῶν ἡ σopia BaoiλεúεL) ~Source:Krikones Theodoros, cobwpou Β΄ Λασκάρεως Περὶ Χριστιανικῆς Θεολογίας Λόγοι, Thessalonica: Patriarchal Institute for Patristic Studies, I.178-186 ______________________ Here it should be noted that this letter of Vatatzes was considered by Heisenberg to be a forgery, fabricated by an orthodox fanatic of the 17th century, and he even questioned the existence of Hellenism in the 13th century, but Grumel, who dated Vatatzes's letter to 1237, also debunked the two claims, after he even ascertained and published the letter of Pope Gregory IX, in which Vatatzes was referring . ~Source: V. Grumel, L' authenticite de la lettre de Jean Vatatzes, empereur de Nicee, au pape Grecoire IX, Echos d'Orient 29 (1930), 450-458

      @leader12334@leader123347 ай бұрын
  • The modern British created Greek nation is a mix of various ethnic groups.

    @southepirote7676@southepirote76764 ай бұрын
    • Speak about urself Fake country with greeks skavs romanians ashkalis Turks Roma by Austria hungary in 1912

      @AdrianChatzi@AdrianChatzi3 ай бұрын
    • report fake info

      @ternocimadh5863@ternocimadh58632 ай бұрын
    • The modern Austrian hungarians created Nation is a Mix of variud ethnic groups Like greeks romanians slavs ashkalis caucasians turks bulgarians

      @AdrianChatzi@AdrianChatzi2 ай бұрын
  • Greek nationalists not only steal ours and others' ancient history but go as far to claim Kastrioti too. 1. A report of the envoy of the Duke of Milan from 1454 calls Skanderbeg "an Albanian Christian" ("quello Sanderbech...è christiano Albanexe"). 2. The Italian humanist and poet Antonio Bonfini Asculano (1427-1502) calls Skanderbeg an "Albanian prince" ("Sandorbegum Albanensem Principem"). 3. Even the Venetians never questioned his Albanian origins. In 1464, a Venetian senator angrily said of Skanderbeg, that "we do not trust him at all, because he is Albanian, treacherous and dangerous" ("nuy non si fidamo di luy per niente, perche è Albanese et è traditore et tristo!"). 4. In 1464, the Duke of Milan, Francesco Sforza, wrote a letter to Skanderbeg, addressing him with these words: "The excellent and powerful lord, like our dear brother, the Albanian lord Gjergj Kastrioti, called Skanderbeg" . ("Illustri et potenti Domino tanquam fratri nostro carissimo Domino Georgio Castriot aliter Scanderbeg albanesi"). 5. In a letter from Giovanni Antonio, the prince of Taranto, on October 31, 1460, at the beginning of the letter he addresses Skanderbeg with these words: "Giovanni Antonio, prince of Taranto, sends greetings to George the Albanian!" ("Ioannes Antonius princeps Tarenti Georgio Albano salutem!"). He goes on to say: "Italian blood is not afraid of the Albanian face!" (nec faciam Albanam timebit Italicus sanguis!") and other such insults to the Albanians. Likewise Ottoman sources, historians and chroniclers, describe him as being Albanian: Asikpasazade (1400-1484) Tursun Beg (1420-1499) Mehmed Nesri (1450-1520) Idris Bitlisi (1457-1520) Ibn Kemal (1468-1534) Sadeddin Efendi (1536-1599) Mustafa Ali (1541-1600) Solakzade (1592-1658) and others, all describe him as being an Albanian (arnavud). Hoca Sâdeddin Efendi (1536-1599), in his Tacü't-Tevarih, says: “The Albanian ruler had a handsome son named Iskender, whose bodily figure inspired love, while his attractive face was an expression of his beauty and grace.” Ibn Kemal, historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg’s wars, writes: “The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battlefield, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse…” Skanderbeg’s own testimony, however, is stronger than both Western and Ottoman sources combined. So what excatly did he say about himself? Let’s see how he replied to the albanophobe cited above, namely Giovanni Antionio of Taranto who had insulted the Albanian nation: “Moreover, you scorn our people, and compared the Albanians to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with only insults. It would seem you know nothing of the origins of our race. Our elders were the Epirotes from whence Pyrrhus himself came forth, the might of whom the Romans could barely withstand. Those very Epirotes whom with their weapons set forth and conquered Taranto and much of Italy. There exists no challenge to their might from the likes of the Tarantines, a species of wet men born only to catch fish. And since you proclaim Albania as part of Macedonia, you grant also then, our elders as nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great, defeating all the people that came before them with great ease. From those men descend these who you now call sheep. But the nature of things have not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?” " Therefore, the ancestors of the present Albanians, the Pelasgians, lived during the prehistoric periods in most of the then known world, developing a very important civilization and building works of exceptional value".

    @southepirote7676@southepirote76764 ай бұрын
    • report fake info #southepirote7676propagandatroll

      @ternocimadh5863@ternocimadh58632 ай бұрын
  • 🇦🇱🇦🇱

    @amirfazliu7674@amirfazliu76745 ай бұрын
  • THE ONLY AND REAL PELASGIAN🇦🇱🏛☝️

    @pep-dx5vb@pep-dx5vbКүн бұрын
  • If anywan want to heare the plasgian language go in Albania

    @taulantmenga8408@taulantmenga84089 ай бұрын
    • I'm ready to go . The more you speak an ancient language the more you forget that you must create an alphabet

      @jimjim3474@jimjim34748 ай бұрын
    • "In 1854, an Austrian diplomat and Albanian language specialist, Johann Georg von Hahn, identified the Pelasgian language with Proto-Albanian.This theory is not supported by any scientific evidence, and is seen as a myth by modern scholars." ~Source:Schwandner-Sievers & Fischer 2002; Stephanie Schwandner-Sievers and Bernd Jürgen Fischer, editors of Albanian Identities

      @leader12334@leader123348 ай бұрын
    • Source: HERODOTUS, BOOK I, CLIO 1.56.2: 《Then he proceeded to examine who among the Greeks were the strongest, whom he could make friends of. And searching, he found that the Lacedaemonians and the Athenians were distinguished, the former among the Dorians, the latter among the Ionians. For these nations were the best known, being in olden days the last Pelasgian》

      @leader12334@leader123348 ай бұрын
    • Sir Edward Bulwer-Lytton, an English writer and intellectual, argued that the Pelasgians spoke Greek based on the fact that areas traditionally inhabited by the "Pelasgi" (i.e. Arcadia and Attica) only spoke Greek and the few surviving Pelasgian words and inscriptions (i.e., Lamina Borgiana,Herodotus 2.52.1) betray Greek linguistic features despite the classical identification of Pelasgian as a barbarian language. According to Thomas Harrison of Saint Andrews University, the Greek etymology of Pelasgian terms mentioned in Herodotus such as θεοί (derived from θέντες) indicates that the "Pelasgians spoke a language at least 'akin to' Greek".According to French classical scholar Pierre Henri Larcher, if this linguistic affiliation is true, then it proves that the Pelasgians and the Greeks were the same people

      @leader12334@leader123348 ай бұрын
    • Mackridge, Peter (2007-2008). "Aspects of language and identity in the Greek peninsula since the eighteenth century". The Newsletter of the Society Farsarotul. Vol. XXI & XXII, no. 1 & 2. Society Farsarotul. pp. 16-17. Soon after this the "Pelasgian theory" was formulated, according to which: 《The Greek and Albanian languages were claimed to have a common origin in Pelasgian, while the Albanians themselves are Pelasgians and hence come from the same ethnological stock as the Greeks.》 The "Pelasgian theory" began to take shape in the 1850s and 1860s and became widespread in the 1870s. ... Needless to say, there is absolutely no scientific evidence to support any of these theories.

      @leader12334@leader123348 ай бұрын
  • The fact that Steele of Lemnos cannot even be deciphered in Greek but only in Albanian is enough proof Pelasgians are Albanian.

    @southepirote7676@southepirote76764 ай бұрын
    • 🤣🤣🤣

      @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
    • 🤣🤣🤣 Another silly attempt by Albanian nationalists to link Albanian with Pelasgian Greek civilisation.

      @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
  • Unfortunately for Balkan people the only DNA which is called Balkan DNA(mixture) in Balkans is the non-Greek DNA as Greek is unique and is called Greek in Genetics!

    @SasGiou@SasGiou5 ай бұрын
    • Then why do Kosove Albanians score higher than Greeks even though they're not Greek? Simple, it's because the so called "Greek" DNA is Albanian DNA slapped with a Greek label on it.

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76764 ай бұрын
    • @@southepirote7676 Kosovo Albanians score higher in the e-v13 dna genetic marker than Greeks???? So what???? E-v13 is a Balkan neolithic marker, all Balkan people have it, Serbs, Bulgarians, Greeks, Slavomacedonians (south Bulgarians) it dates back to 9000 BC. Greeks have less neolithic E-v13 than Kosovo Albanians because a part of Greek DNA is non-neolithic farmer, and originated from the hunter gatherer folk (proto-Greeks) otherwise known as Dorian Greeks who were a steppe folk that originated 10,000 years ago from the forests of the Russian steppes. Proto-Greek Homeland is north western Greece in the Pindus mountain region. GOOGLE Proto Greek Area.

      @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
    • @@southepirote7676 Yoiu don't know what the hell you are talking about do you?? Get your facts right befoire posting garbage. Stop trying to hang onto the shirt tails of the Greeks because you have no history of your own.ThE only ancient sites you have in your cuntry were the ancient Greek cities of Apollonia. etc.

      @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
    • @@rafaellagaribaldi9391 facts don't care about your Greek nationalist ego

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76764 ай бұрын
    • @@rafaellagaribaldi9391 there is no such thing as "proto Greek". Greeks are a mix of various assimilated ethnic groups.

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76764 ай бұрын
  • "Albanians are the only race who come to these modern times from prehistoric race called Pelasgians." ~ George Fred Williams

    @yvonne530@yvonne5305 ай бұрын
    • Who is Fred??

      @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
    • @@rafaellagaribaldi9391 all i can say is that I’m proud to be Albanian

      @chrischris3922@chrischris39224 ай бұрын
    • @@chrischris3922 Good for you, just don't hang on to the shirt tails of the Greeks like Albanian nationalists do.

      @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
    • ​@@rafaellagaribaldi9391 the Greek nationalist is suffering from inferior complex because she knows Pelasgians were proto Albanians labeled as barbaric by Greeks and spoke a completely foreign language to Greek

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76764 ай бұрын
    • @@southepirote7676 There is no such thing as proto-Albanians. You made that up yourself. Albanian ethnogenesisa begins in the late middle ages. The Pelasgians built the beautiful cities of Knossos etc in Crete. Pelasgian frescoes are found all over the southern Mediterranean in Crete and in Thira / Santorini in the Aegean.. Yes the classical Greeks called the Pelasgian language barbarian because it was not Greek. Even today the written language of the Pelasgian Minoans has not been translated.

      @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
  • The Pelasgians are todays Albanians. The originators of Civilization.

    @a.morina3845@a.morina38458 ай бұрын
    • Albania is Serbian principate Verzitia and Vayonitia, Pelasgian authonym is a Karbanoi, or Kraina-Serbs, and Balkan Albanians is a Caucasian Albanians.

      @branip9414@branip94147 ай бұрын
    • @@branip9414.... yeah sure son! keep dreaming!

      @a.morina3845@a.morina38457 ай бұрын
    • @@branip9414 that lil theory has been debunked by every historian on the planet

      @user-ic1dw7tg2t@user-ic1dw7tg2t7 ай бұрын
    • @@branip9414 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pileus_(hat) palasgian hat worn by albanians to this day

      @user-ic1dw7tg2t@user-ic1dw7tg2t7 ай бұрын
  • 🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱 Albanians are what remains from the Pellasgians and we have kept their language and their traditions alive after thousands and thousands of years. But hurry up people and wake up before it’s to late. Because forgetting Albanians that are the indigenous people or Europe is a lose for the world. Strangely last month the Albanian archeologists with the University of Bale have discovered the oldest city in Europe si fare and it’s Lin in Pogradec by the lake Ohrid that is one of the three oldest on earth and mostly all the woods that were discovered in the lake were oaks as you speak about it in the teaser. But let me remind you that Ovid never used the world Greek and neither did all the ancients authors but moderns translations falsified that and now people think shortly that Greeks are the pellasgians and they weren’t of course, as Herodotus says it (Hellens which was a Semitic-Egyptian tribe found the pellasgians in the Balkans and stole everything from them). Albanians are a part and we have kept all the symboles and names and stories of the ancients transmitted mainly verbally like all the oldest culture did. And yes we have kept alive the oldest language that can explain most of the modern words and names, so as the great Leipnitz said: « If you want to know history BC you have to know Albanian language». Peace

    @sokoli3253@sokoli32538 ай бұрын
    • some say that 'albanians' are the beautiful armenian people of europe They come 800 years ago from the ancient and beatiful land of armenia

      @jimjim3474@jimjim34748 ай бұрын
    • @@jimjim3474 it’s the other way around my friend. Armenian are Albanian.

      @sokoli3253@sokoli32538 ай бұрын
    • @@sokoli3253 i was sure , my friend

      @jimjim3474@jimjim34748 ай бұрын
    • the name Pelasgos has a common root with the name Ελληνι, Hellas, Pelasgiotida, Selini, pelagos etc. the Pelasgians answer very simply and clearly the ancient writers who have lived the remains of the Pelasgians such as Herodotus or Thucydides They are a Greek tribe and they speak Greek in a non-evolving stage Those who called themselves Iones Aeolians were those who were once cut off from the Pelasgians and chose their own political organization The ancient writings say it clearly, like Isocrates example Stop the stupid propaganda not honoring the honest one the name Pelasgos is synonymous with the Greek space and the genealogies of Greek mythology

      @panagiotis7946@panagiotis79468 ай бұрын
    • @@panagiotis7946 nope! U can turn it around as u want, and your references are all Albanian references, Greece was build by Albanians in the 18-19th century with the European aristocracy and believe me that everyone regrets it deeply since all the lies and manipulations authors and people had try to make! But yeah for sure all is greek and a population old from more than 8500 years and with a language identified as old and even more than that which is Albanian didn’t contribute to nothing but randomly lived all this time in the same territory than today and conserved real traditions and the original language and y-dna now prove it after archeology, ethnology and linguistic did in the past (or course not for the liers) but Greeks that are capable of keeping a unique language for 2000 years are this original and authoctonus people hahahah you are insulting yourself with your propaganda because it just reveals how inconsistant your arguments are but trying to appropriate everything that you ancestors tried to take always from us is not working since Greeks don’t have the background to understand and explain truly the course of history they try just to lie and appropriate wisdom that they don’t even understand and distordit just to make it look different or new but they is nothing Greek except the name of the tribe your Semitic-Egyptian ancestries have left behind, a part this you gonna be forced to admit very soon that usurpers like Greeks and slavics have tried to be but you all are spotted! If Greeks were the oldest how comes all the ancient authors make a huge difference between the authoctonus and hellens and lately Greeks that are the population that mixed with the authoctonus but not the other way around. If they were the original then all authors would just repeat that message but all of them make the distinction between the tribes than were authoctonus and the one that came afterwords. Be serious for a seconde because education doesn’t mean to let any opinion take the place of the truth. 🦅🦅🦅🦅🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱👐👐👐

      @sokoli3253@sokoli32538 ай бұрын
  • The Answers are in the Albanian Language 🇦🇱 Hellene = Je Yll Hene = Star Moon Albania = Yll Banoj = Star Dwellers Illyrian = Yll Rri Un = I’m a Star Dwellers Pellasgian = Pi Yllis Qe Jan = R From The Stars Olympian = Ylli Mbi Han = Star above Moon Aphrodite = Afer Dita = Near Day / Dawn Athena = Yllit Jena - we are from the stars Venus Aphrodite = Vjen Afer Dites = Comes before the Day Approaches Juno Junon = Je Non/Ju Non = You Are Mother Parthenon = Part e Jon = Our First Ancestors. Artemis = Ardht e Mi = My Predecessors. Hera = Je Ra = You Have Fallen Heracles = Je Ra Ka Ylli = You fall from the stars Achilles = Ai Qiellis / Ai Ka Ylli = From Sky/Stars Angel Engel Enki = En Qiell = In the Sky Rhea = Reja = Clouds Zeus = Zot = God Triton = Driton = Light Up Cronos = Kronoj = Create Ares = Aj Rre = He Fights Demeter = Dimer Ti = You are Winter Hestia = Vjesht Ti Je = You are Autumn Kore Persephone = Korrje Par Se E Bone / Punoj - The First Crops you Make / Work Hades = Je Dhe = You are Soil/Land/Ground Poseidon = Posedon = Owns / Possessor Apollo = Ai Pi Ylli = He is from the Star Apollonia = Ai Pi Yllis Une = He from the Stars Me Macedonia = Madhe Dhe Une = Great Land Me Acropolis = Aja ka Ra Pi Ylli= It Fell From the Star Prometheus = Permi Dheut = Above Earth Ganymede = Qe Jeni Mi dhe = Above Earth U R Fates Moira = Fat Mira = Good Luck Nemesis = Nem e zez = Black Curse Eros Psyche = I Ra Psych - He enchanted her with the Evil Eye Neptune - Ne Jep Ty Ujin = We Give U Water Uranus = Uj Ran = Rain Jupiter = Je Pi Yje Ti = You are from the Stars Mars = Madh = Great Saturn = Zot Erdhen = The Gods Came Mercury = Mi Er Ky Rri = Above the Air You Dwell Hermes = Erdh Mi Er = Came from above the Air Amazon = Jam E Zoja = I’m a goddess Hecate Empusa = Je Ka yje ti Em Pushtaj = from the stars , It Has Possessed Me Nymphai = Ne Jemi Pi Ujis = We are from the Waters Nysiads = Nusja ti = You are a Bride Druids = Druit = Wood / Woods Siren = Ze i Rren = The Voice That Lie Dragon = Dreq Jon = They Are Devils Kulshedra = Kuq Je Dreq = Red Dragon Charybdis = Kari Pidhi = Cock - Pussy Vampire = Dhom Pir = Drink with Teeth Daimon = Ndimon = Helpers Scylla = Se ka Sill Ujin = That Has Twirl The Water Echo = Je Zo = You are a Voice Medusa = Madhe Se Je = Great you Are Gorgon = Eger Goj / Eger Qe Jon / Wild Mouth /They are Wild Chiron = ky Sheron = he Cures Agnodice = Aj Shnosh Diken = He Cures Someone Byzantine = Beson Ti/Besojn Ton = You/All Believe Basilica = Bes Yllis qe je = Star Faith you are Ocean = Uj Qe Jan = Water They Are Tricrania = Tri Kry Ni Je = Three Heads one you Trinicria = Tri Ni kry Je = Three but one Head Gemini = Qe jemi Ni = That we are one Legion = Ligji Jon = Our Law Religion = Ri Ligji Jon = Our New Law Troy = Troja Jon = Our Land Priam = Pari Jam = I’m The First Spartans = Spart Tan = Our First Ancesters Sparta = Shpata = Sword Pausanias = Pasunia = Wealth / The Rich Once Leonidas = Ylli Jon Je ti = Our Lord you are Bucephalus = Buker pi yllis = Beautiful Horse Monument = Mane Mend = Keep In Mind Museum = Mesojme = We Learn Library = Libra rri = The Books Stay Egyptian Gods Thoth = Zoti = God Seth = Zoti = God Anubis = Une Pi Yje = Im From The Stars Hapi = Ha Pi = Eat Drink Tefnet = Tjep Shnet = Gives You Health Nut = Nat = Night Khonsu = Ky Hon zot = He the Moon God Sekhmet = Sheh Kijamet = Sees Doomsday Geb = Qe Jep = He Gives Maat = Mat/Madh = Measure/Great Bastet = Bes Zotit = Believe in God Osiris = Yll zi rri Black universe I dwell Isis = Yllis ZiZ = Black Universe Amun Amon Amin Aman = Ylli Mi Han Tutankhamun = Zot Jan Ka ylli Mi Han = Gods Are From stars above The Moon Pyramide = Pi Yll Ra Mi Dhe = From the stars Fell on Earth YHWH = Je Havaja = You Are Heaven 🙏 TikTok Ancient_Albania - zwobhfxgre

    @dalina25@dalina257 ай бұрын
    • aaahhhh .This 'yii' again .Thanks god ! YII , YYYIIIII , YYYYYYIIIIIIIIIII , YYYYYYYIIIIIIIII , YYYYYYYYYYYYIIIIIIIIIIIIII now the 'ar' ar ,aarrr,aaaarrrrrrr, aaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrr , aaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrr, aaaaarrrrrrrrrrrr The foundation of pelasgian language! yyiii, aaarrrrrr, yyyyyyiiiiiiiii, aaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrr , yyyyiiiiiiiii, aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrr

      @jimjim3474@jimjim34746 ай бұрын
    • 😅😅😅😅We want more,please don’t stop!

      @Solon7@Solon76 ай бұрын
    • Where is albania

      @yorgos19681@yorgos196816 ай бұрын
    • All not original words in your language according linguists! Mistranslation from latin language which used for you by Greek Christoforidis. And dont forget Greek Gods were living at OLYMPUS mountain, not at the stars. Your original ancient language is the berberian one(arabic)!

      @SasGiou@SasGiou5 ай бұрын
    • @@yorgos19681 You should ask where are Albanians bc there is no such tribe!

      @SasGiou@SasGiou5 ай бұрын
  • Albanians can read ancient hellenic as simply as modern albanian.. mean while greeks cant make sense of ancient hellenic text. That says it all...As a prehistoric culture and people we have overcome invasions by a multitude of oppressors. From the greeks, turks, slavs, arabs, etc.. With every invasion comes some form of integration and mostly by force.. murder and genocide. In the last years Albanians have survived through 3 different genocides from the greeks and the serb. Why are Albanians such a threat? Stop before you hurt your self and expose the falsehood of your people. Accept that, what's thought of as being greek history is really stolen. greeks + slavs should take pride in their historic ability to conquer lands and people.... but there is no need to assume the culture of those they attempt to destroy. Albanians have been here for longer then recorded history and will continue to thrive in Europe as well as the rest of the world.. Without diminishing in culture language .. get used to it.

    @southepirote7676@southepirote76764 ай бұрын
    • Please translate for me this Homeric text. I can't wait. Ἀτρεΐδαι τε καὶ ἄλλοι ἐϋκνήμιδες Ἀχαιοί, ὑμῖν μὲν θεοὶ δοῖεν Ὀλύμπια δώματ᾽ ἔχοντες ἐκπέρσαι Πριάμοιο πόλιν, εὖ δ᾽ οἴκαδ᾽ ἱκέσθαι: 20παῖδα δ᾽ ἐμοὶ λύσαιτε φίλην, τὰ δ᾽ ἄποινα δέχεσθαι, ἁζόμενοι Διὸς υἱὸν ἑκηβόλον Ἀπόλλωνα. ἔνθ᾽ ἄλλοι μὲν πάντες ἐπευφήμησαν Ἀχαιοὶ αἰδεῖσθαί θ᾽ ἱερῆα καὶ ἀγλαὰ δέχθαι ἄποινα: ἀλλ᾽ οὐκ Ἀτρεΐδῃ Ἀγαμέμνονι ἥνδανε θυμῷ, 25ἀλλὰ κακῶς ἀφίει, κρατερὸν δ᾽ ἐπὶ μῦθον ἔτελλε: μή σε γέρον κοίλῃσιν ἐγὼ παρὰ νηυσὶ κιχείω ἢ νῦν δηθύνοντ᾽ ἢ ὕστερον αὖτις ἰόντα, μή νύ τοι οὐ χραίσμῃ σκῆπτρον καὶ στέμμα θεοῖο: τὴν δ᾽ ἐγὼ οὐ λύσω: πρίν μιν καὶ γῆρας ἔπεισιν 30ἡμετέρῳ ἐνὶ οἴκῳ ἐν Ἄργεϊ τηλόθι πάτρης ἱστὸν ἐποιχομένην καὶ ἐμὸν λέχος ἀντιόωσαν: ἀλλ᾽ ἴθι μή μ᾽ ἐρέθιζε σαώτερος ὥς κε νέηαι.

      @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
    • Go on translate please Ἀτρεΐδα δὲ μάλιστα δύω, κοσμήτορε λαῶν: Ἀτρεΐδαι τε καὶ ἄλλοι ἐϋκνήμιδες Ἀχαιοί, ὑμῖν μὲν θεοὶ δοῖεν Ὀλύμπια δώματ᾽ ἔχοντες ἐκπέρσαι Πριάμοιο πόλιν, εὖ δ᾽ οἴκαδ᾽ ἱκέσθαι: 20παῖδα δ᾽ ἐμοὶ λύσαιτε φίλην, τὰ δ᾽ ἄποινα δέχεσθαι, ἁζόμενοι Διὸς υἱὸν ἑκηβόλον Ἀπόλλωνα. ἔνθ᾽ ἄλλοι μὲν πάντες ἐπευφήμησαν Ἀχαιοὶ αἰδεῖσθαί θ᾽ ἱερῆα καὶ ἀγλαὰ δέχθαι ἄποινα: ἀλλ᾽ οὐκ Ἀτρεΐδῃ Ἀγαμέμνονι ἥνδανε θυμῷ, 25ἀλλὰ κακῶς ἀφίει, κρατερὸν δ᾽ ἐπὶ μῦθον ἔτελλε: μή σε γέρον κοίλῃσιν ἐγὼ παρὰ νηυσὶ κιχείω ἢ νῦν δηθύνοντ᾽ ἢ ὕστερον αὖτις ἰόντα, μή νύ τοι οὐ χραίσμῃ σκῆπτρον καὶ στέμμα θεοῖο: τὴν δ᾽ ἐγὼ οὐ λύσω: πρίν μιν καὶ γῆρας ἔπεισιν 30ἡμετέρῳ ἐνὶ οἴκῳ ἐν Ἄργεϊ τηλόθι πάτρης ἱστὸν ἐποιχομένην καὶ ἐμὸν λέχος ἀντιόωσαν: ἀλλ᾽ ἴθι μή μ᾽ ἐρέθιζε σαώτερος ὥς κε νέηαι.

      @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
    • U Arent pre History U also dont have culture ! About stealing Mafia criminality and 3 world Mentality Only albanians Not the slavs or greeks etc Go buy hasis for your trafficing Job is Waiting of you

      @AdrianChatzi@AdrianChatzi3 ай бұрын
    • report fake info #southepirote7676propagandatroll

      @ternocimadh5863@ternocimadh58632 ай бұрын
  • Pelasgian- illyrian-Albanian 🇦🇱🇦🇱 for all tou fake greek of ludovik 🤫 with neoelinika new greek

    @arjold3748@arjold37487 ай бұрын
    • Learn some English please and try again.

      @Solon7@Solon76 ай бұрын
    • 😂can you imagine going to school😂

      @yorgos19681@yorgos196816 ай бұрын
  • Palasgiens were ansesstors of Laz peple ...it is Georgian people ....

    @georgiangeorgian1056@georgiangeorgian10568 ай бұрын
    • Georgians is a Caucasian Serbs.

      @branip9414@branip94147 ай бұрын
    • No. But Armenians are Descendants of Phrygians and Phrygians are descendants from Bryges who were an Illyrian Tribe in the balkans.

      @sgonzo5572@sgonzo55727 ай бұрын
  • Pelasgians living around the aegean mostly centered around thessaly Turkalbanians:WE WERE PELAZG AND SH*T

    @wankawanka3053@wankawanka30536 ай бұрын
    • Greeks called Pelasgians barbaric.... also Greeks "wE wuZ pElAgiAnZ" 😂

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76766 ай бұрын
    • ​@@southepirote7676WHO are your sources ? By Most schientists says its in known But mostly says probably a proto Greek Tribe ! And U Albos arent mendioned But U say we WuZ PElAsGiAnS

      @AdrianChatzi@AdrianChatzi3 ай бұрын
    • @@AdrianChatzi The Pelasgians were proto Albanian tribe and were considered barbaric by Greeks themselves like Herodotus.

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76763 ай бұрын
    • ​@@southepirote7676Herodotos claims, in various statements, that all Greeks except the Dorians were originally Pelasgians Also in this documentarys and Generaly U Arent mendioned 😅U are Just a stealer albo nothing more

      @AdrianChatzi@AdrianChatzi3 ай бұрын
    • @@AdrianChatzi In the Histories, the Greek historian Herodotus of Halicarnassus made many references to the Pelasgians. In Book 1, the Pelasgians are mentioned within the context of Croesus seeking to learn who the strongest Greeks were to befriend them.[47] Afterwards, Herodotus ambivalently classified the Pelasgian language as "barbarian"

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76763 ай бұрын
  • Stady Albanian language you can desafre anythin

    @mmawar4825@mmawar48259 ай бұрын
    • Greek Christoforidis, the father of Albanian language at 1860+, the newest language in Europe based mainly in Latins

      @geosam011@geosam0117 ай бұрын
    • I will,if you first study English!

      @Solon7@Solon76 ай бұрын
  • Forefathers of Albanians

    @merxho95@merxho958 ай бұрын
    • Hahahaha😂

      @user-rj1wx4fy9h@user-rj1wx4fy9h7 ай бұрын
    • Not at all. Those the Greeks called "Pelasgians" where the Minoans. And mitochondrial DNA test on the Minoans showed that they where a mix of Greeks and Phrygians. Albanians are neither Greeks nor Phrygians. Modern Turks have more chances to have some connection to them than the Albanians. 😂

      @OrphicPolytheist@OrphicPolytheist6 ай бұрын
    • ​@@OrphicPolytheist Pelasgians were multiple people aside from minoans, but for sure none of them are the ancestors of the albanians because they lived in the helladic region (which indeed included south Albania but albanians assimilated that region in the middle ages)

      @Dinosaur315@Dinosaur3156 ай бұрын
    • said no educated person ever

      @wankawanka3053@wankawanka30536 ай бұрын
  • Greece is Albanian derived from Graqia and Latin Greece. Nothing proves a relation of Hellenes to Greeks who for the first time appear in 17th century in Byzant sources. Originally the Greeks were in the north beyond the Jirecek line located in Bulgaria. Most Greeks today have Albanian grand parents especially in the Western, Southern and Athens. If you go back a little more than a hundred years you will know that Albania in was divided into 5 nations. A big chunk went to Greece and some went to Serbia. And historically the Greeks of today are no more Greek than the Macedonians of Macedonia. The ancient Hellenes are the Albanians of today. It was the Greek Orthodox religion that forged a Greek culture, without Orthodoxy greeks were nothing. They fabricated the bible, baklava and even Jesus as being of their people. Yet the bible and Jesus were from Palestine and Baklava came from Turkey as did Turkish coffee. This is because Greeks do not exist as a race and are nothing, so instead they choose to claim whatever they see. The word Hellene or Greek was never used to denote the Greek people in Turkish when they administered the region. They were known to the world as Romaic and their language is Romaic. According to the encyclopedia Britannica of 1911 Greece was about 50% Albanian and the rest were Bulgarian, Romanian, Romaic and Turkish. The Greek Gods today cannot be translated into the Greek language no more than the Greek bible into the language of Jesus. Their culture is completely fabricated as their music and national dress is stolen from the Albanians. They dressed like Turks during the Ottoman empire. They then changed their names to Greeks as did the Macedonians from Bulgarian. However Albanians were known as Albanians. Greeks (brainwashed orthodox Albanians) also went through a language revision and added more words in their language in the latter part of the 20th century and taking out Turkish and Albanian loan words, almost like the Jews were trying to make up the '''Hebrew language" by taking bits and pieces from the Torah, Yiddish and Arabic. Also historians like Fallemayer with other million sources not only prove that Greeks have no relation to Hellenes but they are also not autokton in territories of modern Greece either. There is absolutely NO Hellene cultural legacy among Greeks today. In a certain sense, Hellenes (with their less fortunate fellows, the Pelasgians) are a pure creation of Greek romanticism. Maria Efthimiou famous Greek historian. And Arvanite Aristidh Kolia assassinated by Greek agents for speaking the truth.

    @southepirote7676@southepirote76764 ай бұрын
    • Stop posting your Albanian propaganda garbage on youtube.

      @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
    • @@rafaellagaribaldi9391 Coming from the little Greek girl posting Greek nationalist propaganda garbage on KZhead claiming you are Pelasgian... I'll take this as a compliment 😁

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76764 ай бұрын
    • @@southepirote7676 Don't lie. As usual you lie. Making fake comments. The 1911 edition of Encyclopaedia Britannica gave estimates of the ethnic composition of the Ottoman administrative region of Macedonia in 1911 BEFORE the Greeks liberated it from Ottoman rule in 1913 and NOT of the whole of Greece. The estimates for the population of Ottoman Macedonia were: 1) Bulgarians 1,150,000 2)Turks (500,000) 3) Greeks (250,000) 4) Albanians (120,000 5) (Wallachians (90,000) 6) Jews (75,000 7)Romany gypsies (50,00) In 1913 Macedonia was liberated from Ottoman occupation by the Greeks and the Bulgarian, Turkish and Albanian populations were expelled.

      @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
    • Also greek hellenes and romioi is both 3 national Terms for our folk and Not 3 different Terms learn the simble fakts turkalbo Hellenes :Home Search CloseSearch the siteGO Science, Tech, Math Humanities Languages Resources About Us Contact Us Editorial Guidelines Privacy Policy Ad Humanities › History & Culture Why Were the Ancient Greeks Called Hellenes? Hellenes Have Nothing to Do With Helen of Troy  Hellen was the son of Deucalion and Pyrrha. According to Ovid's Metamorphoses, Deucalion and Pyrrha threw throw stones which turn into people. the first stone they threw becomes their son, Hellen. Peter Paul Rubens/Public Domain/Wikimedia Commons By N.S. Gill Updated on January 31, 2019 If you read any ancient Greek history, you'll see references to the "Hellenic" people and the "Hellenistic" period. These references describe only a relatively brief period between the death of Alexander the Great in 323 BCE and the defeat of Egypt by Rome in 31 BCE. Egypt, and particularly Alexandria, came to be the center of Hellenism. The end of the Hellenistic World came when the Romans took over Egypt, in 30 B.C., with the death of Cleopatra. Origin of the Name Hellene The name comes from Hellen who was not the woman famed from the Trojan War (Helen of Troy), but the son of Deucalion and Pyrrha. According to Ovid's Metamorphoses, Deucalion and Pyrrha were the only survivors of a flood similar to the one described in the story of Noah's Ark. To repopulate the world, they throw stones which turn into people; the first stone they throw becomes their son, Hellen. Hellen, the male, has two l's in his name; whereas Helen of Troy has only one. Ovid did not come up with the idea of using the name Hellen to describe the Greek people; according to Thucydides: "Before the Trojan war there is no indication of any common action in Hellas, nor indeed of the universal prevalence of the name; on the contrary, before the time of Hellen, son of Deucalion, no such appellation existed, but the country went by the names of the different tribes, in particular of the Pelasgian. It was not till Hellen and his sons grew strong in Phthiotis, and were invited as allies into the other cities, that one by one they gradually acquired from the connection the name of Hellenes; though a long time elapsed before that name could fasten itself upon all. The best proof of this is furnished by Homer. Born long after the Trojan War, he nowhere calls all of them by that name, nor indeed any of them except the followers of Achilles from Phthiotis, who were the original Hellenes: in his poems they are called Danaans, Argives, and Achaeans." (Richard Crawley's translation of Thucydides Book I) Greek:The Greeks (Greek:The modern English noun Greek (Old English Grecas or Crecas) is derived from the Latin Graeci, which in turn originates from Ancient Greek Γραικός (Graikós). It seems that the word is related to the Greek word γέρων geron "old man" (from the PIE base *ǵerh2- "to grow old") via Proto-Greek *gera- "old age", also related to Mycenean Greek kera /geras/, "gift of honour".[31] The Germanic languages borrowed the name with an initial k sound, which was probably their initial sound closest to the Latin g (Gothic Kreks).[32] The first use of Graikos as equivalent to Hellenes is found in Aristotle[33] for the Dorians in Epirus from Graii, a native name of the people of Epirus.[32] He places the seat of these most ancient "Greeks" in the region of the Achelous river around Dodona, where in his opinion the great deluge of Deucalion must have occurred. The priests of Zeus in Dodona were called Selloi, which could lead to Sellanes (like Akarnanes), and then to Hellanes and Hellenes. Homer is referring to Hellenes as a relatively small tribe in Phthia in central Greece (Achaea Pthiotis). In the Parian Chronicle it is mentioned that Phthia was the homeland of Hellenes and that this name was given to those previously called Graikoi (Γραικοί).[28] In Greek mythology, Hellen, the patriarch of Hellenes, was son of Deucalion (who ruled around Phthia) and Pyrrha, the only survivors after the great deluge.[29] Hesiod is referring to Graecus, son of Pandora, who was sister of Hellen. Alcman mentions that the mothers of Hellenes were Graikoi. The German classical historian Georg Busolt (1850-1920) derives the name from Graikos, "inhabitant of Graea, a town on the coast of Boeotia.[32] The name Graea (γραῖα) is derived from Proto-Greek grau-j-, "old lady".[31] Homer, while reciting the Boeotian forces in the Iliad's Catalogue of Ships, provides the first known reference to a region named Graea,[34] and Pausanias mentions that the ancient city of Tanagra was for a time called Graea, adding that "no one knows where this Graia really was; Aristotle thought it was near Oropus, further east on the same coast as Delion."[35] Busolt claimed that the name was given by the Romans originally to the Greek colonists from Graea who helped to found Cumae the important city in southern Italy where the Italic peoples first encountered the Greeks and then to all Greeks.[32] According to Irad Malkin, Graikoi could have also been an exonym for the Greeks, used by neighboring Illyrians and Messapians.[36] It has been suggested that the name Graeci was possibly an Illyrian name for a Greek tribe with whom they were in contact in north Epirus.[37] N. G. L. Hammond has pointed out that the names Graeci and Hellenes spread from contact with small tribes or with Graia, a defunct Greek polis in the Gulf of Euboea.[38][39] According to Rene Olivier,[40] in the French language the word grec ("Greek") is sometimes also used as an ethnic slur meaning "fraudster" (in contrast with hellénique which has no negative connotations). Έλληνες) have been identified by many ethnonyms. The most common native ethnonym is Hellen (Ancient Greek: Ἕλλην), pl. Hellenes (Ἕλληνες); the name Greeks (Latin: Graeci) was used by the ancient Romans and gradually entered the European languages through its use in Latin.

      @AdrianChatzi@AdrianChatzi3 ай бұрын
    • Romioi:Romans or Rhomaioi (Ῥωμαῖοι; sg. Ῥωμαῖος Rhomaios) and Romioi (Ρωμιοί; sg. Ρωμιός Romios), is the name by which the Greeks were known in the Middle Ages and during Ottoman rule. The name in antiquity originally signified the inhabitants of the city of Rome in Italy, but with the increasing grants of Roman citizenship to the Greeks and other nations of the Roman Empire, it soon lost its connection with the Latins. This process culminated in 212 AD, when Emperor Caracalla's Constitutio Antoniniana granted the citizenship to all free-born men of the Empire. Later Byzantine authors such as Nikephoros Basilakes,[74] Michael Attaleiates, Theodore Prodromos, Patriarch Germanus II, Niketas Choniates and Nicaean Emperor Theodore II Laskaris also used the classicizing term Ausones to refer to the people of the Eastern Roman Empire,[75] although, as John Tzetzes points out (in his Scholia to Lycophron's "Alexandra", attributed to himself and his brother Isaac), that should be understood in its proper context as a literary device.[76] Overall, the word Rhomaios came to represent the Hellenized inhabitants of the East Roman Empire. Overall, the foreign borrowed name (Romans) initially had a more political than national meaning, which went hand in hand with the universalizing ideology of Rome that aspired to encompass all nations of the world under one true God. Up until the early 7th century, when the Empire still extended over large areas and many peoples, the use of the name "Roman" always indicated citizenship and never descent. Various ethnicities could apply their own ethnonyms or toponyms to disambiguate citizenship from genealogy, which is why the historian Procopius prefers to call the Byzantines as Hellenized Romans,[77] while other authors use Romhellenes and Graecoromans,[78] aiming to indicate descent and citizenship simultaneously. The Lombard and Arab invasions in the same century resulted in the loss of most of the provinces including Italy and all of the Middle East, save for Anatolia. The areas that did remain were mostly Greek-speaking, thereby turning the empire into a much more cohesive unit that eventually developed a fairly self-conscious Greek identity. The Byzantines' failure to protect the Pope from the Lombards forced the Pope to search for help elsewhere. The man who answered his call was Pepin II of Aquitaine, whom he had named "Patrician", a title that caused a serious conflict. In 772, Rome ceased commemorating the emperor that first ruled from Constantinople, and in 800 Charlemagne was crowned Roman Emperor by the Pope himself, officially rejecting the Eastern Roman Empire as true Romans. According to the Frankish interpretation of events, the papacy appropriately "transferred Roman imperial authority from the Greeks to the Germans, in the name of His Greatness, Charles".[79] From then on, a war of names about the New Rome revolved around Roman imperial rights. Unable to deny that an emperor did exist in Constantinople, they sufficed in renouncing him as a successor of Roman heritage on the grounds that Greeks have nothing to do with the Roman legacy. In 865, Pope Nicholas I wrote to the Emperor Michael III: "You ceased to be called 'Emperor of the Romans' since the Romans, of whom you claim to be Emperor, are in fact according to you barbarians."[80] Henceforth, the emperor in the East was known and referred to in the West as Emperor of the Greeks and their land as Greek Empire, reserving both "Roman" titles for the Frankish king. The interests of both sides were nominal rather than actual. No land areas were ever claimed, but the insult the Byzantines took on the accusation demonstrates how close at heart the Roman name (Ῥωμαῖος) had become to them. In fact, Bishop Liutprand of Cremona, a delegate of the Frankish court, was briefly imprisoned in Constantinople for not referring to the Roman emperor, Nikephoros II Phokas, by his appropriate title,[81] and in reprisal for his king, Otto I, claiming the "Roman" title by styling himself as Holy Roman Emperor.

      @AdrianChatzi@AdrianChatzi3 ай бұрын
  • Neighboring countries with their own history minding their own business. Greek nationalists: "for me?" 🥺

    @southepirote7676@southepirote76764 ай бұрын
  • Pelasgians are Al-iens and after millions years they became Al-banians!lol

    @Solon7@Solon76 ай бұрын
    • Pelasgians were Greeks and Greeks Pelasgians. The only aliens in Balkans yes were you Albanians who came from .... Asia, speaking Arabian and believing in a stone at Mekka, coming from Space!

      @SasGiou@SasGiou5 ай бұрын
    • Pelasgian family lists languages in four groups, of which only Albanian is well-attested» Oxford University Linguistics “The speakers of the Indo-European language that would become Albanian and the speakers of the Indo-European language (Hellenic Albanian) that would become Modern Greek were the first to enter the Illyrian Peninsula whose languages are of relevance for modern Albanian linguistics.”: «Nonetheless, Eric Hamp, who has been the most careful and conservative of specialists on Albanian dealing with this issue, has decided that the evidence linking Albanian to Messapic, which in turn has been linked to Illyrian, is sufficient to see Albanian as a descendant of a language to Illyrian, if not a descendant of Illyrian itself» Eric Hamp was a legendary and renowned Indo-European linguist, as well as specialist of the Albanian language. After 50 years of studying it, he argued that Albanian's affinities to the Messapic language proved that, at the very least, it was part of the same brandy as illyrian John Van Antwerp (1991). University of Michigan, Press. Book: (the illyrians were able to rettest into the mountains at the time of slavic migrations and thereby to retain their identities as albanians» Also «traditionally scholars have seen the illyrians as the proto - albanians». Scholars like the Oxford Professor of History, Noel Malcolm, link the Albanian origin to the ancient area of Epirus. Again, some will probably oppose this explanation solely due to political bias. By Budapest university in hungary: «The albanians are one of the most ancient people of southeast Europe; their ancestors were illyrians... From Linköping university: «order to understand the Albanian language, one must first understand this country’s history. Being one of the oldest peoples in the southeast Europe, Albanians have a formidable history dating back to the time of Alexander the Great but even further back via the history of their ancestors, the Illyrians. Published by H. M. Stationary office in university of California «the albanians, skipetars, epirotes, dardanians are descendants of the ancient illyrians. This book is by university of california as you can see with the «univ calif» ok the Bottom of every page in the book. «While the strong men of Albania, like their ancestors Who lived before agamemnon» page 179 Also «the illyrian tribes, now represented by shkypetar or albanians» page 181. «by constantine A. Chekrezi, A. B. (Harv)» aka by Harvard university (best university in the world), also published in Columbia university as it also says. «It is generally recognized to-day that the albanians are the most ancient race in southeastern europe. All indications point to the fact that They are the descendants of the earliest pelasgians were represented in historical times by the kindred illyrians, macedonians.» in page 3. also «this (albanian) language is particularly interesting as the only surviving representative of the so called illyrian group of languages» in page 5. By University of NORTH Dakota: «the albanians are Among the oldest people of europe. Anciently their country formed a part of the roman provinces of illyria epirus». In page 1 By Colorado state university: «Archaeological excavations in central and northwest Greece have brought to light the cultural and skeletal remains of the ancient Illyrians» also: «the physical activity of the illyrians, ancient albanians...» both of these sentences is in page 1.

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76764 ай бұрын
    • @@southepirote7676 Do you know what you add here? Who scientist could write bourdes? Who? All these are Albanian texts pretending that Universities wrote all these. This is text for internal consumption. Dont show them everywhere. We dont share same mentality or level as we know what scienses proved. If you believe for yourselves that you are old and you speak indoeuropean i can tell you that the Roma in Romania are mainly from India and use Indian names. These people are the nowadays known indoeuropen people. If you share same roots with them then yes i belive you are ... indian of Europe🤣🤣

      @SasGiou@SasGiou3 ай бұрын
    • @@southepirote7676 Greek konstantin Christoforidis the father of Albanian language which is mainly latin based! Never forget your father

      @SasGiou@SasGiou3 ай бұрын
    • @@SasGiou Pelasgian Albanian the forefather of the Greeks nation. Never forget your ALBANIAN fathers! 🇦🇱🦅🇦🇱🦅🇦🇱🦅

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76763 ай бұрын
  • Pelasgians are ALBANIAN 🇦🇱🦅

    @southepirote7676@southepirote76768 ай бұрын
    • Pelasgian are Slavic Polaks, or Serbs, Balkan Albanians is a Caucasian Albanians.

      @branip9414@branip94147 ай бұрын
    • ​@@branip9414Still clinging onto those pseudo Balkan theories, ya'll envy us alot 😂

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76767 ай бұрын
    • Albano you arent Albanian. There is no Albanian DNA, not Albanian tribe in Albania!

      @SasGiou@SasGiou7 ай бұрын
    • @@SasGiou Seethe harder 😂

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76767 ай бұрын
    • @@SasGiou en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanoi

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  • Lets see here the so called "Greek" words.... why they only translate in Albanian but not in Greek? The Illias from Homer in Albanian. Illi=Ylli as=asht Illias = Ylliasht. The Odyssey Ody=Udhe=Way seia=Sie=The Udheseia meaning The Way Udhuesi meaning the travelling one in Older Albanian dialects Is there something like this in greek language? I have still yet to find it. Lets come to names and Gods Hera=Era=Wind Ares=Aj re=He fights Poseidon=Posedon=Owns Ai posedon detin=He owns the ocean Sparta=Shpata=Sword Spart Tan = he first of us. Archimedes=Ar ki mendjen=Golden Mind Paris=Pari=The first Phytia=Pytje=Question The phytia was asked question didn‘t she Priam=Pari jam= I am the first Triton=Driton=Light up Rhea=Reja=New Zeus=Zot=God

    @southepirote7676@southepirote76764 ай бұрын
    • garbage. Typical Albanian pseudo linguistic hogwash, 1) The Greek name SPARTA, Origin of the name of the city of SParta is from SPARTOS, Spartos is the name of a reed that grew on the reedy banks of the Eurotas river in Sparta and from which Sparta acquired its name. Nothing to do with swords. 2) The word Odyssey is taken from the name of the central chaharcter Odysseus which is related to the Greek verb odussomai, which usually means "to be angry at," "to hate," or "to be grieved." However, as George Dimock points out, in Homer's Odyssey the verb usually means "to cause pain" or "to bear a grudge against." Thus, Odysseus' name means "he who causes pain . It has nothing to do with your pseudo linguistic garbage 3) The Ancient Greek name Πάρις is probably of Luwian origin, and comparable to Parizitis, attested as a Hittite scribe's name. It has no known meaning. 5) More Albanian drivel...............Archimedes, a masculine name of Greek origin that means "master thinker" or "planner." Can't bothered to comment on the rest of that ridiculous pseudo linguistic garbage.

      @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
    • You are the Only one WHO Steals AHHAHA theyre etymology sucks really 😂 good that U says that in English so all can laugh with this and Bully U 😂 Ilias:Ilias name meaning and originFrom the Hebrew Eliyahu, meaning "my God is Yahweh", with "Yahweh" being the ancient Hebrew name for God. Odyssea=1600, "Odyssey," title given to one of the two great epic poems of ancient Greece, from Latin Odyssea, from Greek Odysseia, the ancient name of the Homeric poem telling tales of the ten-year wanderings of Odysseus, king of Ithaca, seeking home after the fall of Troy. Hera =Etymology. The name Hera has several possible and mutually exclusive etymologies. One possibility is to connect it with Greek ὥρα hōra, season, and to interpret it as ripe for marriage and according to Plato ἐρατή eratē, "beloved" as Zeus is said to have married her for love. Ares=The etymology of the name Ares is traditionally connected with the Greek word ἀρή (arē), the Ionic form of the Doric ἀρά (ara), "bane, ruin, curse, imprecation". Walter Burkert notes that "Ares is apparently an ancient abstract noun meaning throng of battle, war." Poseidon=The origins of the name "Poseidon" are unclear and the possible etymologies are contradictive between the scholars. One theory breaks it down into an element meaning "husband" or "lord" (Greek πόσις (posis), from PIE *pótis) and another element meaning "earth" (δᾶ (da), Doric for γῆ (gē)), producing something like lord or spouse of Da, i.e. of the earth; this would link him with Demeter, "Earth-mother".[17] Burkert finds that "the second element δᾶ- remains hopelessly ambiguous" and finds a "husband of Earth" reading "quite impossible to prove".[2] According to Beekes in Etymological Dictionary of Greek, "there is no indication that δᾶ means 'earth'",[18] although the root da appears in the Linear B inscription E-ne-si-da-o-ne, "earth-shaker".[2][19] Another, theory interprets the second element as related to the (presumed) Doric word *δᾶϝον dâwon, "water", Proto-Indo-European *dah₂- "water" or *dʰenh₂- "to run, flow", Sanskrit दन् dā́-nu- "fluid, drop, dew" and names of rivers such as Danube (

      @AdrianChatzi@AdrianChatzi3 ай бұрын
    • Archimedes=consider Archimedes, a masculine name of Greek origin that means "master thinker" or "planner." This name is often associated with Archimedes of Syracuse, an Ancient Greek mathematician, physicist, engineer, and inventor. Paris=Name. The Ancient Greek name Πάρις is probably of Luwian origin, and comparable to Parizitis, attested as a Hittite scribe's name. The name is etymologically unrelated to that of France's capital city, derived from the Gallic Parisii tribe. Phytia=The priestess of the oracle at Delphi became known as the Pythia, after the place-name Pytho, which Greeks explained as named after the rotting (πύθειν) of the slain serpent's corpse in the strength of Hyperion (day) or Helios (the sun Priam=A popular folk etymology derives the name from the Greek verb priamai, meaning 'to buy'. This in turn gives rise to a story of Priam's sister Hesione ransoming his freedom, with a golden veil that Aphrodite herself once owned, from Heracles, thereby 'buying' him. Triton=Etymology. From Ancient Greek Τρίτων (Trítōn, “a sea god”). Rhea=Etymology. Some ancient etymologists derived Rhea (Ῥέα) (by metathesis) from ἔρα (éra, 'ground', 'earth'); the same is suggested also by modern scholars, such as Robert Graves. Zeus=Lesson Summary. Zeus was the god of thunder and the ruler of the Olympian gods. His name, which means "sky father," was derived from the Proto-Indo-European word that means "to shine." In ancient Greek culture, Zeus and his name were the personification of the sky.

      @AdrianChatzi@AdrianChatzi3 ай бұрын
    • report fake info #southepirote7676propagandatroll

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  • Pelasgians are Turks, Albanians (Turks, Arnavut) are also related to them. Pelasgians: Turkic Names of Pelasgians The language spoken by the Pelasgians, pre-Greek settlers of Greece, has not been identified yet. Nor has the origin of the names of most pre-Greek provinces and cities, or the names of mythological images of the country been identified. What is known is that these names are not Greek. This is also confirmed by the interpretations of the Greek myths. According to H.Kitto, a researcher of ancient Greece, the conflicts between pre-Greek Athena and Greek Poseidon is, in fact, a reflection of the wars between the native Athenians and the Hellenic occupants. The Athenians, the inhabitants of Attica, were not Greeks, more exactly pre-Greeks. However, Poseidon, as a Greek god, represented the Hellenic people . The later Greeks themselves believed in an original non- Hellenic population which they called Pelasgian, remnants of which still remained pure in classical times, speaking their own language. According to Herodotus, one of the two main branches of the later Greek people, the Ionians, were Pelasgian by descent, the other, the Dorians, were Hellenic. Greek-speaking people from the north migrated into this region and imposed their language on the Pelasgians. To the earlier historians of Greece, Thucydides and Herodotus, the country before the Greeks settled, was called Pelasgia. Herodotus regarded the Ioninas as a «barbarian» people who had been Hellenized. So the pre-Greek settlers of Greece appear to have spoken a language, the origin of which is still unknown. In relation to that language Herodotus wrote: «What language the Pelasgians used I cannot say for certain, but if I may conjecture from those Pelasgians who still exist… they spoke a barbarian language» . Neither could the European linguists manage to learn what language the Pelasgians used. Those who alleged it to be of Indo- European origin were not based on serious linguistic facts. Most of the researchers could not differentiate the early non-Greek substratum from the later Indo-European layer, which had appeared in early Greek onomasticon as a result of the assimilation of the Pelasgians. L.Gindin, a researcher of the pre-Greek substratum in the old Greek language, admitted the existence of the oldest non-Indo-European layer, referring it, however, not to the Pelasgians, but to those who had settled in Greece before the Pelasgians. Like other European linguists, he supported the Indo-European origins of the Pelasgians. This point of view does not conform with some of the facts - neither does it conform with the Etruscan character of the writings found on Lemnos, settled once by the Pelasgians, nor with the information of ancient writers about the origin of the Pelasgians. Both factors tie the Pelasgians with the Etruscans who are commonly known to have been non - Indo-European by origin. The Lemnos script has been proved by Western linguists to have only a dialectal difference from the Etruscan writings. It raises the question as to how the Pelasgians could have been Indo-European by origin in the event that their language had a close relationship with those of the non-Indo-European Etruscans. In the light of antique traditions the idea of their kinship appears to be more believable. The information by D.Halicarnasci concerning the Pelasgians and Tirrenians (Etruscans) being the same nation, and by Thucydides concerning the Pelasgians being a part of the Tirrenians originate from the historical reality concerning which they were well-informed. Tirrens or Tirsens in the old Greek language denoted the Etruscans. A similar idea is shared by Helanic of Lesbos, a 5th century historian, who writes that Tirsens were initially called Pelasgians, some of which were later called Tirsens . Another important factor that illustrates the non-Indo-European origin of the Pelasgians is their close relationship to the Thracians - pre-Greek settlers of Greece. Pelasgo-Thracian onomastic parallels, as well as the Thraco - Trojan kinship, dealt with in the "Iliad", exclude the Indo-European origins of both Pelasgians and Thracians, as long as the Trojans are known to have been neither Greek, nor of any other Indo-European peoples. According to sources, the pre-Greeks and Greeks also had racial differences. The Greeks were «Homer’s brown - haired Achaeans», who ruled over «black-haired people», the pre-Greek settlers of the Mediterranean basin . According to Homer, Helen, Akhilles, Menelay and Agamemnon, who were symbolic of the Greeks, were blond, while Hector and Paris, the Trojan brothers, were dark-haired. Who were these ethnically interrelated peoples - Tirsens or Pelasgians, Pelasgians or Thracians, Trojans or Etruscans? As our research on their onomasticon and epigraphy demonstrate, the genealogical legends concerning their Turkic origin are to be trusted. A significant part of the old Greek personal names is found in Turkic anthroponomy. They are the names usually mentioned in ancient literature as belonging to the early settlers of Greece and some of them are openly referred to as Pelasgian by origin: Abas. According to mythological traditions, Abas was the ancestor of the Abants, a Pelasgo-Thracian tribal unit . A similar name, in different phonetical forms, is observed in old Turkic onomasticon: Abas, Apas, Abaz (personal names); Abas, Avas (ethnonyms); Abaz, Apas (toponyms), etc. . A tribe by the name of Abas belonged to the old Turkic Khazars . It was also the personal name of the Caucasian Albanians, within which the Thracian Abants once settled Albania (Northern Azerbaijan) . Kupavon. The personage who bore this name, according to mythology, was a «swan-man», a Pelasgian. It finds its interpretation in Turkic words such as ku, kub, kuw «swan» and Turkic ethnonyms with the same stems: kuban, kuwan, kuman which means «swan-man» . As a mythological personage Kupavon («swan-man») was also brought to Italy by the Pelasgians. This personal name is also mentioned by P.V.Maron, a Roman author, in the list of those sent to help Eney, a Trojan commander. Here Kupavon is described with a swan’s feather on his head . A. I. Nemirovski considers this personage to be alien to Latin and Osk-Umbrian languages. For Nemirovski, this symbol was borrowed from neighbouring Thraco-Illirian tribes by the Slavs . The Turkic character of this personage is evidenced in Turkic mythology where the swan is regarded as a creative beginning and this belief has found its expression in the Turkic ethnonyms such as Kuman

    @Atilla963@Atilla9637 ай бұрын
    • γελοιοτητες

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    • en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pileus_(hat) plis still worn by albanians today

      @user-ic1dw7tg2t@user-ic1dw7tg2t7 ай бұрын
    • @@user-ic1dw7tg2t That pottery is Etruscan. Etruscans are also Turks. Not Greeks. You Albanians and Macedonians can be related to them. You and we Anatolians are close to them. And these Etruscans are definetely Turks. But we are seperated in the past because of war. - Gene D. Matlock - What Strange Mystery Unites the Turkish Nations, India, Catholicism, and Mexico? - Prof. Dr. Cengiz Karaşarlı - The Lost Turkic Civilization in the Mediteranean Sea.

      @Atilla963@Atilla9637 ай бұрын
    • @@user-ic1dw7tg2t We Turks call Albanians 'Arnavut', we see you as Turks.

      @Atilla963@Atilla9637 ай бұрын
    • When you say Turk, not the turkic tribes that come out of east and central Asia and occupied Byzantium and Constantinople, but the natives that lived in that area and became Turkified during the Ottoman Empire, right?

      @dios1ish868@dios1ish8686 ай бұрын
  • Etruscan....Albanian..........English Te urat........te uret.............nobles. Tan.............tan..................our. Na la...........na la...............left us. Rez.............rrez.................rays. Ula..............ul, pošt...........down, under. Ul...............ul (v)...............drop, to lower. Me..............m', ne.............in, into. Vaχr………varr................grave. Lautn………(i) lart............high, great. Eštla……….eštra..............bones. Slel…………siell...............bring. Eθ………….edh...............and. Ca………….ca.................has. Ru…………ru..................watch. Zan…………zan...............occupied. Fušle.............pus, guv.........1- cave; 2- well (n) Ri..................ri, rri..............rest. Tesn..............teš.................now. Šte iš.............si te iš...........like he was. Rasnes...........etrusc............etruscan. I pa ama........i pa cen..........nonbeing. Hen...............hin.................enter. Naper..........naper, neper....through. Χi…………..χi, χie..........vision. Araš...............art..............golden. Peraš..............periašt.......outside. Cem ul...........cem ul........seat down. Ul..................ul...............down, drop. Mlescul..........mplecsun....together. Zu..................zu...............began. Ci..................ci.................this. Enesci............prifti.............priest. Epl.................epr.............older. Tu..................tu.................to. Laru...............lartu.............laud. Arznal............erznor.........honest. Clenši.............biri.............son. Θi…………..Θir, Θirie....cry. Θil………….Θirie...........crying. Šcuna............Šcun.............went. Cenu.............cetu...............here. Eplc..............plac...............old man. Felic..............felic, filic........junior. Clan..............chun, dial.......boy. Θunχul……..dengioi..........hear. Θe…………Θem..............say, saying. Falaš.............fialš................of words. Fusl..............pus, guv..........cave, well. E...................e.....................and. Hin.................hin..................enters. Θa………….Θa..................said. Cap…………cap................catch. E……………e....................and. Mu………….mu...................just. Ni…………..ne, ni, n'...........in. Clet…………cret.................head. Ma………….'ma, ama...........but. Su…………..su, s'mund.........can't. Šranc.............Štanc, Štang.....shrink. Zlθi…………zeθi, zešm........voicedly. Falšti.............folšti ................spoke. Hut................hut, huθ.............jumps. Penezš...........pamie................vision, look. A-c-nina...........a ca noni........is there anyone. Clel...............cliθ.....................cry. Mler..............mlon, mbulon......cover. Zinia.............zinia, zia...............darkness. Inte...............ende.....................again. Ma mer.........ma mer................take sth. Cnl................nisien, rugen.........way. Šaten.............zaten, perseri.......again. E...................e............................. . E ca...............e ca......................it belongs to. Θa…………..Θa......................said. Ura………….urata....................priest. Lutes……….lutet.......................prays. Ne…………..ne........................on. Rašne.............zot........................god . Ce i tesn.........ce i teš.................just now. Ximθ ……….χi, hy...................Lord, god. Špelth...........špel........................c ave. Uta................ata.........................the y. Hare...............hare......................delig ht. Utu................aty.........................the re, next to. Še..................še, šeh...................sees. Pa..................pa.........................saw . Fulumχva…...yj, yje.....................stars. Rene………..rene, reia................clouds. est-a-c……...ešt (ia cu)................there he is. A-ci………….ia cu........................there. Lun…………lun.............................mooves. Tu…………..tu..............................to. Ru…………..ru.............................watch. Ne…………..ne.............................us Šcu..............šcu, šcoj................go Zea...............zot...........................go d Θu…………..θu, θuaj..................say(secnd. pers. singl.) Mi…………..mi, mua......................me Cš..................cuš........................ .wh o Pe..................pe..........................sa w (secnd. pers. singl.) Nθ ………….nese..........................if Na ama……..na ište.......................sb/sth was Niei………….niu, niohu...................knew N’zeri……….n' zeri.........................by the voice Una ………...nia, nie.......................one Claθil……….cliθm...........................cry (n) ...............clai, chiai.....................cry, weep. θil............θir, θirie.......................call (n&v) Iχ ca……….i cet.............................just that Ceχa………..cena, cemi...................have Ziχuχe……...šcru,šcruar....................written

    @southepirote7676@southepirote76764 ай бұрын
    • Hahaha!!!!.....................more Albanian pseudo linguistic garbage. One minute you claim Albanian is Pelasgian, then its Etruscan, then its Homeric Greek, then its Illyrian. Seriously Albanian is the biggest joke of the Balkans.

      @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
    • No, Nein, Nyet. We know for sure that Etruscan was a pre-Indo-European language, meaning that an Indo-European language such as Albanian is not related to it. Etruscologists and linguists say that the Etruscan language was related to the Raetic language, which is also a pre-Indo-European language and I am certain that such people who spend years of their lives trying to learn more about the ancient Etruscans know more than some nobodies who popped up out of nowhere claiming that the Etruscans spoke X/Y language or that their native language can” decipher” or explain the “true meaning” of Etruscan words.

      @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
    • The Albanians who claim that Etruscan is similar or related to modern-day Albanian are usually some ultra-cringe Albanian nationalists and pseudo linguists who claim that somehow a heavenly race of people called the Pelasgians came first to Europe and then populated the rest of it with their kind. Also, their descendants are today’s Albanians who are also the real Arians. There are some other theories in which the pelasgians came from Atlantis or that they were the first aliens who came to earth, but we don’t care that much about them. The “method” which these sorts of demagogues use is quite simple. They take a random word from any language and then try to explain it using their native language, and voila. They may even divide the word into smaller pieces and then each piece is “interpreted” using a word from your language. Then they will try to make some sort of “logical” connection using mythology. Yeah, because screw linguistics and its disciplines, the cool guys today use pseudo linguistics comparison these days.

      @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
    • report fake info #southepirote7676propagandatroll

      @ternocimadh5863@ternocimadh58632 ай бұрын
  • Half of Greeks are Albanian and the other half is slavic. Greece is an artificial created state by Britain 😂

    @southepirote7676@southepirote76767 ай бұрын
    • Sure,we fell from the sky,after that British found us and transferred in balkans!Is that ok?😮

      @Solon7@Solon76 ай бұрын
    • all of albanians are turks ;) go worship allah now or whatever

      @wankawanka3053@wankawanka30536 ай бұрын
  • Pelasgian family lists languages in four groups, of which only Albanian is well-attested» Oxford University Linguistics “The speakers of the Indo-European language that would become Albanian and the speakers of the Indo-European language (Hellenic Albanian) that would become Modern Greek were the first to enter the Illyrian Peninsula whose languages are of relevance for modern Albanian linguistics.”: «Nonetheless, Eric Hamp, who has been the most careful and conservative of specialists on Albanian dealing with this issue, has decided that the evidence linking Albanian to Messapic, which in turn has been linked to Illyrian, is sufficient to see Albanian as a descendant of a language to Illyrian, if not a descendant of Illyrian itself» Eric Hamp was a legendary and renowned Indo-European linguist, as well as specialist of the Albanian language. After 50 years of studying it, he argued that Albanian's affinities to the Messapic language proved that, at the very least, it was part of the same brandy as illyrian John Van Antwerp (1991). University of Michigan, Press. Book: (the illyrians were able to rettest into the mountains at the time of slavic migrations and thereby to retain their identities as albanians» Also «traditionally scholars have seen the illyrians as the proto - albanians». Scholars like the Oxford Professor of History, Noel Malcolm, link the Albanian origin to the ancient area of Epirus. Again, some will probably oppose this explanation solely due to political bias. By Budapest university in hungary: «The albanians are one of the most ancient people of southeast Europe; their ancestors were illyrians... From Linköping university: «order to understand the Albanian language, one must first understand this country’s history. Being one of the oldest peoples in the southeast Europe, Albanians have a formidable history dating back to the time of Alexander the Great but even further back via the history of their ancestors, the Illyrians. Published by H. M. Stationary office in university of California «the albanians, skipetars, epirotes, dardanians are descendants of the ancient illyrians. This book is by university of california as you can see with the «univ calif» ok the Bottom of every page in the book. «While the strong men of Albania, like their ancestors Who lived before agamemnon» page 179 Also «the illyrian tribes, now represented by shkypetar or albanians» page 181. «by constantine A. Chekrezi, A. B. (Harv)» aka by Harvard university (best university in the world), also published in Columbia university as it also says. «It is generally recognized to-day that the albanians are the most ancient race in southeastern europe. All indications point to the fact that They are the descendants of the earliest pelasgians were represented in historical times by the kindred illyrians, macedonians.» in page 3. also «this (albanian) language is particularly interesting as the only surviving representative of the so called illyrian group of languages» in page 5. By University of NORTH Dakota: «the albanians are Among the oldest people of europe. Anciently their country formed a part of the roman provinces of illyria epirus». In page 1 By Colorado state university: «Archaeological excavations in central and northwest Greece have brought to light the cultural and skeletal remains of the ancient Illyrians» also: «the physical activity of the illyrians, ancient albanians...» both of these sentences is in page 1.

    @southepirote7676@southepirote76764 ай бұрын
    • Show us you ancient Buildings and your ancient frescoes then 🤪😜😜🤣🤣

      @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
  • The people who live in so called Greece today used to be called "Romej" during Byzantine Empire and "Raja" during Ottoman Empire times (except the Arvanitas who used to be called always by their name like "Albani", "Arbanoi", etc.) and the name "Greece" never existed during Byzantine times. The people who live in the so called Greece today are NOT the descendants of ancient Greece (as the world history knows it). That ancient culture and civilization, went extinct times ago, like many other ancient civilizations (like Latin civilization as well, language of which is spoken only in the certain official religious ceremonies in Vatican today and for international medical terminology). During Ottoman times in the Balkans, after the big powers pushed for an uprising in the place that today is called "Greece", an independent country was formed in 1821-1832. The majority of the population there was of local Arvanitas (and Chameria) stock, they also were the backbone of the uprising for independence from the Ottoman Empire. The rest of the minority population was of Slav, Turks and Aromanian stock. After the gain of independence the place was so divided, and with a prolonged civil war that a real country could not be formed. Fearing the disintegration of the place after Ottomans left (and possibility of a return of the Ottomans), Prince Otto of Germany was brought in by European powers to clear the mess and do nation - building there. He was proclaimed King of the place by big powers and given plenipotentiary powers. The Price Otto royal family in Germany happen to be an admirer of the ancient civilizations, one of them being the extinct ancient Greek civilization, traces and archeological findings of which are also seen in that region called today "Greece" as well. Being an ancient history romantic and buff, Otto came up with the idea, that the only way to keep the place together and for a chance to build a country there, was to adopt/impose some kind of neutral/foreign ancient language and culture for all people living in that place, that will make possible for the people to stick together under one language and culture imposed on them. So with a special royal decree, he proclaimed a version of the ancient Greek (the easier one to be taught and learned by people there in those times) as an official language of the place, and also came up with the new name for the place, calling it with a special royal decree "Greece". Everything else was banned, and the new "country" formed, was ordered to be rebuild anew in resemblance of the old romantic view of the ancient Greek civilization, starting with the buildings, names of people, places, cities and villages, regions, mountains, fields and all were changed to made-up names loaned by the ancient literature of ancient Greek civilization. This of course was associated with money brought by European powers to rebuild. The more people in that place agreed with the change of their true national and ethnic identity and declare themselves artificially "Greeks/Helenes" and adopt to the new order, the more money was to be pouring in. Naturally, the strongest resistance to this artificial and made-up solution, was made by the Arvanitas (and Chameria), but at no avail. It is legendary, the loss by one vote in the Price Otto's Parliament of that time, of Arvanitas proposal to have the Albanian (Arvanite) language as an official language of the place called 'Greece" today, and to call the new country "Arvanoi" (instead of "Greece"). There is plenty of scientific and factual evidence, archival and historical documents, as well as studies and publications by major authors and authorities in the field about as above. One interesting fact here, is that one of the earlier German/Austrian well known historians and scientists of that time, Fallmerayer, alerted Prince Otto and others to this nonsense, of declaring a whole people and place by a name not belonging to them, and injecting an extinct language, culture and civilization on people who had no idea about it and did not belong to it at all. Well, Fallmerayer may have proven to be right. By the way, Fallmerayer, is a banned figure and historian in what is called Greece today. Germany is still paying for the Otto's mistake, even today. It has gotten stuck with the country so called "Greece". It is now forced to pour free money, even today, out of Germany's pocket (through European Union as well) year after year to keep it alive and going, as this "Greece" cannot stand on its own. It is an artificial creation of Prince Otto's fantasy (a "zombie" country so to speak), and the new generations of the Germans and Europeans are continuing to pay the price for it. Moreover, what Prince Otto did back then, is tantamount to ethnic cleansing. He forced inhabitants of a whole region/place (called "Greece" today) to change by force their culture, language, national and ethnic identity to something else that those people were not, so they could artificially change in order to look modern and civilized (like ancient Greeks in Otto's personal view) and possibly be united. And of course, Arvanites and Chams (as the majority population in the region) suffered mostly from this ethnic cleansing. All this revelation, informs another major point: history taught about what today is called Greece, it appears to be taught wrong. People are wrongly taught in schools that today's Greece and its people are the direct descendants of ancient Greeks. Greece and Greeks of today, in some extend, also think they are superior to others just because they are called "Greeks" and their country "Greece" by decree (not by the virtue of the truth). They also seem to believe for some reason, they are entitled to the German and European money being handed out to them. The school textbooks and historiography should change, telling people the truth as it is. And with this, will come many other changes, in the way we see relations with the country called "Greece" today

    @southepirote7676@southepirote76764 ай бұрын
    • Fallmerayer theory is rejected by all Worldwide schientists: Peloponnese was peopled by a series of migrations that spanned almost nine millennia. Early migrants arrived from Anatolia ca 9000 BCE1, 2 and established in the peninsula several Neolithic sites.2 The Myceneans3 who developed an advanced Bronze Era civilization, either migrated from the north around 2200 BCE4, 5 or were the descendants of the original Neolithic migrants.1 The next migration took place at the beginning of the first millennium BCE with the invasion of Peloponnese by the Dorian Greeks, referred in the Greek tradition as the return of the Heraclids.6 The subsequent 14 centuries were marked by quantitative changes of the population due to wars and epidemics but no qualitative effects from migrations of new population groups. Changes in population structure started in the beginning of the medieval period with the migrations of the Slavs to the Balkans.7, 8 The effects of these migrations have dominated the historiography of Peloponnese during the last 170 years. In 1830 CE, the German historian Jacob Philipp Fallmerayer presented his theory of disappearance of the Greek nation and its substitution by Slavs.9 Fallmerayer proposed that during the 6th century CE, large armies of Avars and Slavs overran the Balkans and eliminated the populations of the Hellas, who up to that period had successfully survived the attacks of barbarians and the religious suppression by the Byzantines. The Peloponnesean Greeks, except for few remnants enclosed in coastal castles, were slaughtered or forced to leave and Peloponnese was inhabited by Slavic tribes. The Slavs kept their identity for few centuries but eventually they were Hellenized under the influence of the Orthodox Church and interactions with Hellenized Asia Minor populations who were settled in Peloponnese by the Byzantines. Since the time Fallmerayer’s theory was published, a debate on the question of the ancestry of Peloponneseans has raged among historians (reviewed in Curta,10). Of note is that in spite of their diametrically different views, all historians have been using the same medieval written sources. Controversies are rather common in historiography and result to endless debates among scholars. Controversies concerning the ancestry of populations can potentially be resolved by genetic analysis. In this paper, we use genome-wide data to study the genetic structure of the Peloponnesean populations and compare them with other populations of the world. We observe characteristic patterns of genetic differentiation within Peloponnese, we examine their possible causes and we focus on the question of the impact of Slavic migrations on the genetic structure of the Peloponnesean populations. Our results reject the theory of extinction of medieval Peloponnesean Greeks and their replacement by Slavic and Asia Minor settlers. Sourch:European Journal of human genetics www.nature.com/articles/ejhg201718 Peloponnese has been one of the cradles of the Classical European civilization and an important contributor to the ancient European history. It has also been the subject of a controversy about the ancestry of its population. In a theory hotly debated by scholars for over 170 years, the German historian Jacob Philipp Fallmerayer proposed that the medieval Peloponneseans were totally extinguished by Slavic and Avar invaders and replaced by Slavic settlers during the 6th century CE. Here we use 2.5 million single-nucleotide polymorphisms to investigate the genetic structure of Peloponnesean populations in a sample of 241 individuals originating from all districts of the peninsula and to examine predictions of the theory of replacement of the medieval Peloponneseans by Slavs. We find considerable heterogeneity of Peloponnesean populations exemplified by genetically distinct subpopulations and by gene flow gradients within Peloponnese. By principal component analysis (PCA) and ADMIXTURE analysis the Peloponneseans are clearly distinguishable from the populations of the Slavic homeland and are very similar to Sicilians and Italians. Using a novel method of quantitative analysis of ADMIXTURE output we find that the Slavic ancestry of Peloponnesean subpopulations ranges from 0.2 to 14.4%. Subpopulations considered by Fallmerayer to be Slavic tribes or to have Near Eastern origin, have no significant ancestry of either. This study rejects the theory of extinction of medieval Peloponneseans and illustrates how genetics can clarify important aspects of the history of a human population.

      @AdrianChatzi@AdrianChatzi3 ай бұрын
    • ​​@@AdrianChatziYou write false things that are profitable for propaganda. How did the Slavs migrate to these lands, as they were always in these lands? Give some source that shows the migration?

      @user-xc6co3ur2v@user-xc6co3ur2v2 ай бұрын
    • report fake info #southepirote7676propagandatroll

      @ternocimadh5863@ternocimadh58632 ай бұрын
    • For our folk WE use 2 anciend Terms with the one we are Worldwide known (US greeks) and we call US in our language Hellenes ! The Term Roman romeos was used under Byzantine embire which means the Greek there today we dont use IT anymore! A turkalbo WHO create His own theorys with pseudo fakts and füll of bullshit 😂 cool U says that in English everybody can laugh on this 😂 Now to US Arvanites couse im one of Them ! We are greeeks in History and genetic and never forget your nightmare ! We know U hate US But U Claim US to have our Lands ! Dosnt Work to US that ! Genetic :Arvanites and Tsakones of Peloponnesus 2.bp.blogspot.com/-dyoF70x4HVw/V3kGLzeTbJI/AAAAAAAAFuQ/nk-Nm1is3Kgi_WonFyuEArWw7gL-X3kIwCLcB/s1600/peloponnese.jpg The Greek anthropologist Thomas Pitsios studied the Tsakones and Arvanites regarding their anthropological characteristics in a publication in the journal Anthropologischer Anzeiger, entitled "Anthropologische Untersuchung der Bevolkerung des Peloponnes unter besonderer Berucksichtigung der Arwaniten und Tsakonen". www.pdf-archive.com/2015/05/20/arvtsak/ The history of Arvanites is summarized and then referred to the dispute concerning the relationship with the Albanians. Then Pitsios examines the anthropological traits of Arvanites contrasting them with those resulting from the study of Albanians by Coon, a sample of over 1000 people. The table with the measurements are the following: previews.pdf-archive.com/2015/05/20/arvtsak/preview-arvtsak-9.jpg previews.pdf-archive.com/2015/05/20/arvtsak/preview-arvtsak-10.jpg Albanians compared with the inhabitants of Peloponnesus in general and especially with Arvanites in Sofiko of Korinthos, in Ermionida of Argolis, Triphylia of Messinia and in Stymphalia of Korinthos. It shows that Albanians have a higher stature than the Peloponnesians, lower diameter of lower jaw, greater nose height, higher face index and lower nasal index. Differences identified in other morphological features. Albanians have most often small nostrils, less often wavy hair, much less hair growth of beard, more often intermediate eye color. The results are given in a separate table in the study. The data show that Albanians are showing the typical features of Dinarics, with high stature, without angles to the jaws, large nose height combined with leptorrinia(thin nose), leptoprosopy(thin face) trend, not strong facial hair growth and often intermediate eye color. In contrast, Arvanites of Greece diverge from these attributes. The Peloponnesians belong in their majority to the known Helladic types, ie the Mediterranean, the Alpine, the dinaric and the Cromagnoid. The Arvanites not seem to stand out, displaying common features with other inhabitants of Peloponnesus.

      @AdrianChatzi@AdrianChatzi2 ай бұрын
    • For our folk WE use 2 anciend Terms with the one we are Worldwide known (US greeks) and we call US in our language Hellenes ! The Term Roman romeos was used under Byzantine embire which means the Greek there today we dont use IT anymore! A turkalbo WHO create His own theorys with pseudo fakts and füll of bullshit 😂 cool U says that in English everybody can laugh on this 😂 Now to US Arvanites couse im one of Them ! We are greeeks in History and genetic and never forget your nightmare ! We know U hate US But U Claim US to have our Lands ! Dosnt Work to US that ! Genetic :Arvanites and Tsakones of Peloponnesus 2.bp.blogspot.com/-dyoF70x4HVw/V3kGLzeTbJI/AAAAAAAAFuQ/nk-Nm1is3Kgi_WonFyuEArWw7gL-X3kIwCLcB/s1600/peloponnese.jpg The Greek anthropologist Thomas Pitsios studied the Tsakones and Arvanites regarding their anthropological characteristics in a publication in the journal Anthropologischer Anzeiger, entitled "Anthropologische Untersuchung der Bevolkerung des Peloponnes unter besonderer Berucksichtigung der Arwaniten und Tsakonen". www.pdf-archive.com/2015/05/20/arvtsak/ The history of Arvanites is summarized and then referred to the dispute concerning the relationship with the Albanians. Then Pitsios examines the anthropological traits of Arvanites contrasting them with those resulting from the study of Albanians by Coon, a sample of over 1000 people. The table with the measurements are the following: previews.pdf-archive.com/2015/05/20/arvtsak/preview-arvtsak-9.jpg previews.pdf-archive.com/2015/05/20/arvtsak/preview-arvtsak-10.jpg Albanians compared with the inhabitants of Peloponnesus in general and especially with Arvanites in Sofiko of Korinthos, in Ermionida of Argolis, Triphylia of Messinia and in Stymphalia of Korinthos. It shows that Albanians have a higher stature than the Peloponnesians, lower diameter of lower jaw, greater nose height, higher face index and lower nasal index. Differences identified in other morphological features. Albanians have most often small nostrils, less often wavy hair, much less hair growth of beard, more often intermediate eye color. The results are given in a separate table in the study. The data show that Albanians are showing the typical features of Dinarics, with high stature, without angles to the jaws, large nose height combined with leptorrinia(thin nose), leptoprosopy(thin face) trend, not strong facial hair growth and often intermediate eye color. In contrast, Arvanites of Greece diverge from these attributes. The Peloponnesians belong in their majority to the known Helladic types, ie the Mediterranean, the Alpine, the dinaric and the Cromagnoid. The Arvanites not seem to stand out, displaying common features with other inhabitants of Peloponnesus

      @AdrianChatzi@AdrianChatzi2 ай бұрын
  • Pelasgian family lists languages in four groups, of which only Albanian is well-attested» Oxford University Linguistics “The speakers of the Indo-European language that would become Albanian and the speakers of the Indo-European language (Hellenic Albanian) that would become Modern Greek were the first to enter the Illyrian Peninsula whose languages are of relevance for modern Albanian linguistics.”: «Nonetheless, Eric Hamp, who has been the most careful and conservative of specialists on Albanian dealing with this issue, has decided that the evidence linking Albanian to Messapic, which in turn has been linked to Illyrian, is sufficient to see Albanian as a descendant of a language to Illyrian, if not a descendant of Illyrian itself» Eric Hamp was a legendary and renowned Indo-European linguist, as well as specialist of the Albanian language. After 50 years of studying it, he argued that Albanian's affinities to the Messapic language proved that, at the very least, it was part of the same brandy as illyrian John Van Antwerp (1991). University of Michigan, Press. Book: (the illyrians were able to rettest into the mountains at the time of slavic migrations and thereby to retain their identities as albanians» Also «traditionally scholars have seen the illyrians as the proto - albanians». Scholars like the Oxford Professor of History, Noel Malcolm, link the Albanian origin to the ancient area of Epirus. Again, some will probably oppose this explanation solely due to political bias. By Budapest university in hungary: «The albanians are one of the most ancient people of southeast Europe; their ancestors were illyrians... From Linköping university: «order to understand the Albanian language, one must first understand this country’s history. Being one of the oldest peoples in the southeast Europe, Albanians have a formidable history dating back to the time of Alexander the Great but even further back via the history of their ancestors, the Illyrians. Published by H. M. Stationary office in university of California «the albanians, skipetars, epirotes, dardanians are descendants of the ancient illyrians. This book is by university of california as you can see with the «univ calif» ok the Bottom of every page in the book. «While the strong men of Albania, like their ancestors Who lived before agamemnon» page 179 Also «the illyrian tribes, now represented by shkypetar or albanians» page 181. «by constantine A. Chekrezi, A. B. (Harv)» aka by Harvard university (best university in the world), also published in Columbia university as it also says. «It is generally recognized to-day that the albanians are the most ancient race in southeastern europe. All indications point to the fact that They are the descendants of the earliest pelasgians were represented in historical times by the kindred illyrians, macedonians.» in page 3. also «this (albanian) language is particularly interesting as the only surviving representative of the so called illyrian group of languages» in page 5. By University of NORTH Dakota: «the albanians are Among the oldest people of europe. Anciently their country formed a part of the roman provinces of illyria epirus». In page 1 By Colorado state university: «Archaeological excavations in central and northwest Greece have brought to light the cultural and skeletal remains of the ancient Illyrians» also: «the physical activity of the illyrians, ancient albanians...» both of these sentences is in page 1.

    @southepirote7676@southepirote76764 ай бұрын
    • Eric Hamp *_"Before continuing with the dimmer Balkan past, there are two sets of old loans in Albanian which lead us to a slender, but valuable, conclusion. It has long been recognized (since A. Thumb's basic article, IF 1910:26.1-20) that the ancient Greek loans are rare. Pre-Albanian was scarcely in close contact with Greek in antiquity. This places the Albanians north of the Jireek line"_* O noess that means Albanians are NOT native to Epirus but came from the north .Kosovo??

      @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
    • Eric P Hamp *_"It is clear that in the Middle Ages the Albanians extended farther north (Jokl, Albaner §2); that there are persuasive arguments which have been advanced against their having extended as far as the Adriatic coast - the fact that Scodra 'Scutari' (Shkodër) shows un-Albanian development (see §6 below), that there is no demonstrated old maritime vocabulary (see above), and that there are few ancient Greek loans (Jokl, Albaner §5; but see §5 below); and that there are arguments in favor of old Dardania: Ni < Naíssos, with development as in pyll 'forest' < *pëýll < *padle(m) : paldem (Jokl, Albaner §5). Admittedly, many of the arguments are negative; they are dealt with further below"_* Oh noess, no maritime words, that proves Albanians came from north of the Jirecek line,from inland, and are not native to Epirus. Darn it. LOL.

      @rafaellagaribaldi9391@rafaellagaribaldi93914 ай бұрын
    • @@rafaellagaribaldi9391 Oh more propaganda? Then why don't you come and take it? 😂

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76764 ай бұрын
    • @@rafaellagaribaldi9391 Btw.... Cham genocide.

      @southepirote7676@southepirote76764 ай бұрын
    • ​@@southepirote7676Northern Greek epirotan Impression in today still shithole albania

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