Who were the Pelasgians? (Pre-Historic People of Greece)
Pelasgians, or Pelasgoi, were extensively mentioned by the ancient Greeks in various contexts and capacities. However, the background and origins of these peoples, as well as how their relation to the Greeks themselves, remains enigmatic, as even the ancient writers offered different and sometimes contradictory theories and definitions. In this video, we talk about the Pelasgians.
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Hello, could you also have somewhere in your videos specific citations of where in the works if the writers you mention are the references you make (for example in the subtitles)?
*of the writers
Hi Jack. Yes, it would probably be more pragmatic for me to add it next to the sources in video description. Perhaps something that I could start doing from now on.
@@WanaxTV Put the sources up, but today due to the interest of the subject me and a friend did a bit of crosschecking. All legit. Even a publication in nature magazine concerning the subject.
@@ioannisnikolakakis8531Strabo
If you include archeogenetics in the discussion it's pretty obvious that Pelasgians was a term to describe a part or all of the Neolithic population of Greece before the mixtures with the Greek speaking protogreek tribes
I would say that it is very possible. It's reasonable to theorize that Pelasgians were somewhat of a synonym for "old peoples" judging by the many context in which they were used to describe Achaeans/Argives/Danaans, or at least give them that very ancient or autochthonous lineage. However, there are other mythological peoples that were similarly used to describe very ancient and mythical ancestors, most notably the Leleges.
@@WanaxTV that's why i wrote "a part or all of the Neolithic population" Pelasgians,leleges etc as terms describe the people of that era(they may describe different area, different waves of immigrations etc) That's why there is no definite opinion about their identity or origins
@@Chrxstos recent publication in nature magazine with the title : Genetic origins of the Minoans and Mycenaeans by Iosif Lazaridis (Harvard uni) addresses this claim from a genetic manner. The neolithic pops, was admixtured with Mycenians but not minoans (minoans having influx of anatolian genes solely, while mycenian with also siberian ones in 5-16%). Check it if u like
@@ioannisnikolakakis8531 lazarides didn't said that exactly. His study proved that minoans and Mycenaeans were almost identical genetically (the vast majority of their DNA comes from Neolithic Anatolian farmers and Caucasus Hunter gatherers) A minor EHG/Steppe part in the mycenean DNA is the difference.
🤺☦🇷🇺No. I will tell you exactly who they were, and who exactly comprise the Greek race (Ion), and solve you the whole mystery: The Caslukhites and Caphtorites, who are the so called "minoans" and "sea people", were distinct Egyptian races from which came the Philistines (Peleset/Pelasgians), who carried haplogroup E3b-v13, and are none other than the Illyrians - today mostly Albanians. And this is the correct description of the family of Greeks: *YAVAN* (Greeks/Ioanians): *Elisha* (Aeolians: Hellas/Elis/Alishiya -mainland Greeks) *Tarshish* (Etruscans: Tarsus, Cilicia/Corsica/Tartessus/Troas; Teresh/Tyrrhenians -Tuscans, west Italy) *Kittim* (Achaeans: Cyprus+aegean islands -Macedonians) *Dodanim* (Dorians: Dardanians, Dodana/Denyen/Dodecanese islands+Rhodes; Italics/Latins=Rome - Italians)
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Watching from Greece.hi everybody. Interesting video.
I'm from lemnos and here we all are aware of our pelasgian heritage
How do you prove the connection?
Those who today call themselves Greek have NO relation to the PELLAZGES. The genetic traces of Pelazgs have disappeared and no one can say, even with a DNA test, that it is PELLAZG
@@intelliGENeration by speaking from their golden dawn fascist ass 😂
@@intelliGENeration Όταν κάτι είναι ριζωμένο για χιλιάδες χρόνια στην φυλετική μνήμη, δεν χρειάζεται να αποδειχθεί.
@@user-qq8it5if6y How about a DNA test? When modern pseudo-Greece was found, less then 10% of the population knew how to speak Greek. The rest were Albanians, and a few Romanians, Bulgarians and Turks. Please, do your DNA test, and then we talk about "1000s of years" ☺
This was very informative and well done, if I might suggest a future video, maybe one on the Tocharians?
Yes, please! Before the CCP destroys/removes all the evidence.
In the region near northwest of Greece there is a village wich has many Pellazgian graves but access is denied cause people protect them.
greece and macedonia hide archeological fonds that connects Albanians to the ancient Balkans people.
Sorry to insist, but the present "Greek -painted" picture of the region is badly falsified. It mainly and till the present days belonged to other people.
@@antonival50 is that a “trust me bro fact”?
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@@antonival50 not should you find a greek theatre or the place that peloponisian war (aprox400 BC) had started!!!
Excellent video. It is quite interesting that the greek sources frequently quote the Pelasgians together with the Thyrrenians. For instance the pre Greeks inhabitants of Lemnos were Pelasgians according to some sources, Thyrrenisns according to others.
Herodotus wrote that epirotans were barberians and pellasgian too.
Pelasgus was said to be the ancestor of the Pelasgians which is where they get their name. Pelasgus, an Argive prince as son of Poseidon and Larissa, daughter of the Pelasgus, son of Triopas. Together with his brothers Phthius and Achaeus, they left Achaean Argos with a Pelasgian contingent for Thessaly. They then established a colony on the said country naming it after themselves: Pelasgiotis, Phthiotis and Achaea. Pelasgus is also said to have been the ancestor of the Tyrrhenians through the following lineage: Pelasgus - Phrastor - Amyntor - Teutamides - Nanas. In the latter's reign, the Pelasgians were believed to have left Greece and to have settled in a new land that later came to be named Tyrrhenia.
@@funkyfiss Greeks indeed coexisted with Pelasgians even in later times Greeks repelled Pelasgians and they fled to Italy.
@@user-lz6es6eb4d They were both Greeks, just different tribes. Greeks have been fighting other Greeks since the beginning of history. Even Xerxes exclaimed in suprise "these Greeks are crazy, all they do is fight each other and now they want to fight me too!"
@@funkyfiss To be both Greeks means that have the same language , ethics, origin e.t.c Herodotus spoke of the barbarian language of Pelasgians. We have the tablet of Lemnos which written language means nothing in Greek. Dionysios Alicarnasseus , Ecateus of Miletus spoke for their different origin. At the end Greeks repelled them form the country! So Pelasgians, even to my reserach coexisted with Greeks and they are not the only the pre-historic people of Greece , although they are not Greeks.
Robert GRAVES Classical Myths books one and Two. Graves mentions the Pelasgians as Dolichocephaly type skulls . That is long faces and long narrow skulls. you will see such faces on the streets of Greece . Petros a name found in the Illiad was mocked by the Greeks for his long head.
Im beginning to suspect Socretes was also Dolichocephaly(African) also, even his sculpture all seem to indicate he had a massive head.
Wonderful video. 👍 Greetings from Athens.🔆
Thanks Takis!
🤺☦🇷🇺Yes, but that's not the end. I will tell you exactly who they were, and who exactly comprise the Greek race (Ion), and solve you the whole mystery: The Caslukhites and Caphtorites, who are the so called "minoans" and "sea people", were distinct Egyptian races from which came the Philistines (Peleset/Pelasgians), who carried haplogroup E3b-v13, and are none other than the Illyrians - today mostly Albanians. And this is the correct description of the family of Greeks: *YAVAN* (Greeks/Ioanians): *Elisha* (Aeolians: Hellas/Elis/Alishiya -mainland Greeks) *Tarshish* (Etruscans: Tarsus, Cilicia/Corsica/Tartessus/Troas; Teresh/Tyrrhenians -Tuscans, east Italy) *Kittim* (Achaeans: Cyprus+aegean islands -Macedonians) *Dodanim* (Dorians: Dardanians, Dodana/Denyen/Dodecanese islands+Rhodes; Italics/Latins=Rome - Italians)
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Nice. I’ve currently been looking up info on the Pelasgians. I wanted to know more about Greece before the Mycenaean civilization.
Minyes, good start
Any mention of Pelasgians in relation to titans?
Interesting question. I can't think of it off top of my head but who knows. Their eponymous founder Pelasgus was said to be either son of Zeus, or born from soil.
Rhapsody b illiad
Thank you for the very detailed and thoughtful reply!
@BOPEIO GHETTOChaones, Molossians, Pelasgians (a village called Hellas rhapsody b Iliad), Danaoi, Mynies, (subtribe Mycenaeans and Eteocretans amongst others), Thracians (king Oloros - Igisipili Callipoli peninsula), kingdoms that are still in doubt as Trojans (king Priamus uncle of Ajax), Carians, Lydians {Maiones (Greeks) and Hittites final mixture. Finally Phrixus (Elli's brother)- Phrygians a mixture with assyrians
@BOPEIO GHETTO Maiones are mentioned by Homer
I agree with the Pelasgians were the pre-indo european culture of the neolithic period.
Early bronze age
@@minimal8187 SPACE WIZARD AGE
Hi! How do you know with certainty that they were pre Indoeuropeans? We don't know that yet because we have no data on their language, no inscriptions. Scholars are questioning whether they linguistically were native Medditerenean pre Indoeuropeans or in fact a proto Indoeuropean nationality that entered the peninsula the earliest.
@@dionysis5162 I think it has to do with many loanwords from a substrate language in Greece. Scholars don't know from where the word Labyrinth even came, and the same can b applied to several nams of deities and locations. Words like: arákhne - spider kántharos - beetle labýrinthos - labyrinth pýrgos - tower thálassa - sea Héphaistos - Hephaestus. There are no cognates outside in any IE languages.
🤺☦🇷🇺Yes, I will tell you exactly who they were, and who exactly comprise the Greek race (Ion), and solve you the whole mystery: The Caslukhites and Caphtorites, who are the so called "minoans" and "sea people", were distinct Egyptian races from which came the Philistines (Peleset/Pelasgians), who carried haplogroup E3b-v13, and are none other than the Illyrians - today mostly Albanians. And this is the correct description of the family of Greeks: *YAVAN* (Greeks/Ioanians): *Elisha* (Aeolians: Hellas/Elis/Alishiya -mainland Greeks) *Tarshish* (Etruscans: Tarsus, Cilicia/Corsica/Tartessus/Troas; Teresh/Tyrrhenians -Tuscans, east Italy) *Kittim* (Achaeans: Cyprus+aegean islands -Macedonians) *Dodanim* (Dorians: Dardanians, Dodana/Denyen/Dodecanese islands+Rhodes; Italics/Latins=Rome - Italians)
I wonder how many of the named groups are not 'proper noun' names, but either descriptions of where they lived, or what they did, or attributions to temporal leaders or even assumed traditional/historical leaders, or battle-generals. In the same way as the people who were called Argonauts because they sailed in a ship named Argo, whether or not the sailors were from Argo City; or where pelasgians only means those who live near the seas, in which ever region they are, although some would be Mycenean pelasgians, and some would be cretan pelasgians, perhaps?
Athens was a city founded by Pelasgians. Certainly the Athenians regarded Pelasgians as their ancestors
The Pelasgians were proto Albanians that spoke a foreign language to Greeks and were considered to be barbaric by Greeks. Greeks are only a mix of assimilated people.
@@southepirote7676 While Albanians are a "pure" nation? Well looking back in history it is much better to be part of "only a mix of assimilated people" than belong to a supposedly pure nation. You see Illyrians were wronged by geography and they stayed in their place isolated by the most, until the Roman Empire. That's a parameter very important in the process of a civilization, Greeks were more lucky, they had access to the sea, so they could trade with Egypt and Anatolia, more cultural references for them. The literature in Greek is huge, yet Albanic language got a scripture only at last centuries. A Bulgarian linguist named Vladimir Georgiev believed that contemporaray Albanic language was formed from 4th to 6th century in Romania together with the Romanian language. It's interesting than we don't find ancient Greek words in Albanic language like we find some in Latin, but words from late Midlle Age. That fact indicates that Albanic language had influences only the last centuries and not before. So maby some people from north and east Balkans like the Dacians some say, have contributed in the formation of the contemporary Albanic nation along with the pre-existing Illyrians of the region. In that case Albanians are descendants of the Illyrians but not only of the Illyrians, so we cannot say that Illyrians were Albanians since there was no Albanic nation back then, it was formed later. Just like Greeks, Albanians have mixed with other nations. It's the same for every nation. If i had to make a conclusion, from what i read, Illyrians were a very ancient peoples and all the nations that were formed later had elements from them, anthropologically and culturally. But we don't have enough vocabulary from the Illyric language and so we will never be sure about that matter.
@@Pados_music There is not one single evidence that proves Albanians originating from Romanian since the Albanian language is Illyrian and has influenced most of Greece. Even the Albanian DNA itself differs from Romanian. Albanian haplogrups are ev13 and j2 while Romanians are i2a and r1a. Whereas Greeks however are said to be originated from Romania. The notion of Greeks being ethnically homogenous and direct descendants of the Hellenes has been a persistent narrative, often used to foster a sense of unity and historical continuity. However, a closer examination reveals the complexity and diversity within the Greek population, challenging the simplistic portrayal of ethnic homogeneity and direct lineage from the ancient Hellenes. To begin with, Greece has been a crossroads of various civilizations throughout history, including interactions with Albanians, Romans, Byzantines, Ottomans, and others. This rich history of cultural exchanges has inevitably left an imprint on the ethnic composition of the region. Genetic studies indicate a diversity of influences, reflecting the historical interactions and migrations that have shaped the genetic makeup of the Greek people. This diversity challenges the notion of a singular, homogeneous ethnic origin. Moreover, the concept of ethnicity itself is complex and dynamic. It is not solely determined by genetic factors but is also influenced by cultural, linguistic, and historical elements. While the Hellenes were indeed one of the ancient tribes in the region, claiming a direct ethnic lineage from them oversimplifies the intricate processes of cultural assimilation, intermixing, and acculturation that have occurred over centuries. Language, often considered a key marker of ethnic identity, also presents complexities. The modern Greeks language belongs to the Indo-European family but is distinct within this linguistic group. While it has roots in the Hellenic language, linguistic evolution and influences from Latin, Slavic, and other languages have contributed to its unique character. This linguistic complexity challenges the notion of a straightforward, unbroken linguistic continuity between ancient Hellenic and modern Greek. Historical records further complicate the narrative of ethnic homogeneity. The region has witnessed migrations, invasions, and changes in political control, all of which have contributed to the diversity within the Greek population. The medieval period, for example, saw the influx of various groups, including Slavs and Normans, leaving lasting cultural and genetic impacts. In conclusion, the idea of Greeks being ethnically homogenous and direct descendants of the Hellenes is a simplistic narrative that does not fully capture the complexity of Greece's history and the diversity within its population. Genetic, linguistic, and historical evidence points to a more nuanced and multifaceted reality, highlighting the need to approach the question of Greek identity with a recognition of the intricate processes of cultural evolution and interaction that have shaped the region over millennia.
@@Pados_music Not only you STOLE our Çameria but now you make propaganda claiming we come from Romania? The Balkan nationalist conspiracy theories never end. Interesting since Greeks have more in common with Romanians through religion, language, culture and dna. 😂
@@Pados_music Come...and...take...it 😁
I always thought they were related or descended from the Minoans, but so little is known about them. Thank you
🤺☦🇷🇺Well, you were right. I will tell you exactly who they were, and who exactly comprise the Greek race (Ion), and solve you the whole mystery: The Caslukhites and Caphtorites, who are the so called "minoans" and "sea people", were distinct Egyptian races from which came the Philistines (Peleset/Pelasgians), who carried haplogroup E3b-v13, and are none other than the Illyrians - today mostly Albanians. And this is the correct description of the family of Greeks: *YAVAN* (Greeks/Ioanians): *Elisha* (Aeolians: Hellas/Elis/Alishiya -mainland Greeks) *Tarshish* (Etruscans: Tarsus, Cilicia/Corsica/Tartessus/Troas; Teresh/Tyrrhenians -Tuscans, east Italy) *Kittim* (Achaeans: Cyprus+aegean islands -Macedonians) *Dodanim* (Dorians: Dardanians, Dodana/Denyen/Dodecanese islands+Rhodes; Italics/Latins=Rome - Italians)
They were the Minoans, Minoans is a modern name for these people in ancient times they were always referred to as Pelasgians. Their mythology states they started off in the Area of Argos where their cheif Diety was a goddess called Eurynome and her counterpart was called Ophion later she was changed to Giaia and Ouranos. Anyway the first modern man was called Pelasgus and he was made by her from her from "the people who lived in caves" (I personally think this is a reference to Neanderthals) she was then over thrown by her children Cronus and The titans. Pelasgians are essentially Greek however they followed the old ways of that of Giaia and Cronus and never really adopted fully the new religion of the Zeus and his pantheon. Which is why many ancient writers identify them as Greek but different. I would also point to Herodotus who when he was contemplating from where the Greeks got their Alphabet from he assumed it must have been from the phonecians because before then Greeks wrote in drawings. Who do we know who wrote in drawings? The Minoans and Pelasgians of course. So they have always been considered Greek. I would also argue that the scientists working on the Minoan sites have concluded that linear A is the precursor to linear B which we know is proto Greek, they just don't have enough examples and haven't found enough words to fully translate it. They just have so far too little to work with.
@@funkyfiss thank you
@@EasternOrthodox101 I disagree that they are caphtorites. Maybe the Daannans yes their first ancestor was Danus and he did come from Egypt that went to Greece and mixed in with the Pelasgians but they were not the Pelasgians. Who according to Pelasgian mythology they are native to the land of the Pelleponese in Greece and the first modern man called Pelasgus was made by their cheif Diety from " the people who lived in caves". The Peleset were the ones who went to Egypt, they didn't come from Egypt. We also know through DNA tests of the Philistine graves that those people are distinctly European and we know through Archeology that they were Aegean Greek. So no, they were not Egyptian.
@@funkyfiss No, they were Caphtorim (Kaftiu) - an Egyptian brother race of Pelasgians (Philistines)
The word PELASGOI probably comes from the words PELAS [near] and AGO [bring, carry] meaning "those who are near" or “those who are coming near”, i.e. friends, allies, relatives.
They where the Minoan civilisation.
Very informative video. Your documentaries are a gift
Thank you! Glad you like it.
Wrong ????????
Pelasgians was Ilirian ,Albania people ,stadi histori e,no politic
It is stunning that ancient Greeks of 500 BC had a memory of a pre-historic people as Pelasgians and recorded their assumed settlements and migrations of 1200-3000 BC. However, in parallel, it is a pity that the saved sources missed the volcanic explosion of Thera,more detailed information on their relationship with Eteocretans before Mycenean conquest and more historic evidence on Myceneans-Acheans themselves, as they often conflated then with Pelasgians and Cyclopes (e.g. pelasgian/cyclopian walls) or placed them in a mythical age of legends and heroes. 😅😂 From Linear B or Hittite records we get no reference to Pelasgians. From the evidence we can assume that Pelasgians were neolithic inhabitants on both sides of the Aegean, who could have spoken an Indo-European language older/different than Mycenean Greek or more likely an Aegean/Anatolian language which got lost as Pelasgians of Argos, Arcadia, Aegealea, Attica and partly Thessaly were hellenised and integrated in the Mycenean culture. Some enclaves may have survived in mainland Greece but mostly in other parts of the Aegean, where they got absorbed by other peoples as Thracians, Phrygians, Mysians and Lydians or the Greeks during the colonisation of the Geometric era.
Hi alps. Good take! I wouldn't say that it's surprising. Iliad was written down in the 8th century BC which is where we have first mentions of the Pelasgians, quickly followed by Hesiod's works. From about 1200 to 800 is only 400 years. Plus it's safe to assume that Pelasgians didn't completely vanish in 1200 BC but sticked around for longer, so it's very understandable that they were still in fresh memory, if not even still present in some areas by 800 BC. 400 years without literacy is sufficient time for some stories to divert from the historical facts, but not sufficient for even much lesser things to fade from memory (important kings, wars, events) let alone whole people. 😀 They in fact did remember Eteocretans before the Mycenaean conquest, but only vaguely. Staphylus of Naucratis recorded that Eteocretans were indigenous to Crete, and that Achaeans, Pelasgians and Dorians were incomers. Other writers and poets also mention Eteocretans as "earth-born" and autochthonous to Crete. There is a myth of Achaean/Aeolian leader Tectamos invading Crete (under eponymous king Kres/Kretheos) and becoming king himself with Achaeans, Pelasgians and Dorian settling the island. Obviously the myth is probably far diverted from the truth, and they only record one eponymous Eteocretan king (which basically equals to zero) but it's not surprising since the actual conquest happened in about 1450 BC. I'd say it's impressive enough that they remembered that Achaeans were not native to Crete. But that's just a testament of how slowly and gradually the memory fades.
@@WanaxTVYes this is great on its own. My point is mainly that Pelasgians were more accessible to mainlanders, compared to Eteocretans, so their knowledge of what was happening to Crete before 1450 BC is insignificant. Also, a lot has been lost regarding the Mycenean era, as what was saved is epics and legends. Although extremely useful and fascinating, they have a specific artistic niche, so they are not delivering to us Bronze Age history the same way as records from Hittites, Egyptians or Mari. It would be so interesting to find the replying letters of the Great Ahhiya king to the Great Hittite king to understand better what was happening regarding Assuwa, Arzawa and Piyama Radu in connection to the Achaean base of Miletos/Milawanda. We are also missing direct references to the eruption of Thera which must have been the most memorable event (e.g. although we have the Atlantis myth this was used symbolicaly in a political context). Aeschylus gave us the play “Suppliants” which relates to events assumingly from the same century with the eruption of Thera volcano. It is a pity that no accounts reached us even in the form of a play called the “Therans”. And of course, there is no direct reference to any “Sea Peoples” attacking the Aegean and destroying Myceneans (unless the Sea Peoples mostly came from the Aegean and attacked the other lands😉). There are again various myths and passages that may / may not associate with the historical events, as if this mystery game was made on purpose to spark our fantasies and trickle us like a Delphic ambiguity.
Minyes, Eteocretans ? Greek kindoms in middle east? Geometri era? Timaios Plato for a start iliad for a a start and will see
@Wanax TV cretans joined the trojan war with 100 ships. Idomeneas in order to participate had to have a strong army and economy in Crete. Cretans were not the same after thera eruption. Homer is calculated to be ulysses
@@nezperce2767 I am sorry I don’t understand your comment.
Pelasgians aactually co-existed with Greeks, Pelasgians areas were Thesaly, Pelopenesse , North Aegean, and Greeks areas were mainly west Macedonia, Epirus, Central Greece, generally close to Pindus mountains. So Pelasgians were not the only prehistoric inhabitants of Greece. At the end Greeks who became multitudinous repelled Pelasgians to Italy.
Maybe if there is a way to link archaeology, and genetic research…
I wonder if they were of the very early farmer migrations from Anatolia into Europe
I grew up reading, hearing, listening, dreaming of the Odyssey. I knew I would find my Greek goddess one day, and I did. Her family is from Khios yet everyone thought she was from Kreta when we went to Greece. The "akis" ending of her maiden name threw off the Greeks.
Hope she's as much Calypso as Persephone.
Greeks established Christianity for us in Europe and Russia, and rejected the pagan practices - learn from them instead. We Japhetic peoples are no longer pagan. Well...except from most western world today...🤦♂️
@@EasternOrthodox101 The Greeks were pagan until the later Roman Empire.
@@GHST995 That's what I said. Through Rome, they saw the light and redeemed the world
@lionboy4427 Nothing wrong with paganism, all religions are decent and follow the same tenets of goodness and light.
Since we're in the realm of speculation unless some kind of archaeological miracle happens, there are two main factors that have mostly stricken me: The reference to them being autochtonous - literally birn out of the land, which makes me think of a population like basques in contemporary Europe. Possibly a part of them are the population responsible for those incredible masterpieces of Cycladic art we can see in the National Museum in Athens. Another suggestion comes from the mention by Dyonisius that they were "a wandering population". Might it be possible they were not as much defined by ethnos as by culture? A little like present day's Jewish people; ethnically, i mean, they might have been Greek, but following different, perhaps ancestral traditions (e.g. ethnically you can be both Jewish and French at the same time). I know it's probably wild, anyway... Also apologies in case i misunderstood how Jewish identity works
Indeed the “identity” of people from the Pellg or pellgas, pellazg etc is multi-factorial as there have a commun ethno-culture, they used to have one mother language that subsiste almost the same in albanian language, same symboles that are found in archeological artefacts and the “albanian/kosovar” dna is still present in the same territory since 8000-9000 years at least. So Jews better stop pretending that they are the chosen one lol since there is no such thing and that they better admit that they denied their commun origin with people from the Pellg or Pellasgians as our days we say but it’s not right sort of speak, anyhow the name doesn’t mean the thing so whatever the name u want to give to the authoctonus people of Europe.
You don't have a clear idea because you don't know the language. Πελασγοί means literally Sea people. You can understand that also from the video, where the Pelasgians are living always in proximity with the Sea. These people were living by the Sea. That back in time, entire groups of people were defined by their way of making a living - Sea peoples, Farmers, Hunters and so on. "Mythology" , which back then didn't have the meaning that is given today, essentially an oral history, gives the answers, since it is stated that Peloponnese was called Πελασγία (its previous name) . Also it is stated that Zeus is the God of the Pelasgians, which would had been unthinkable if they were considered barbarians. Essentially the Pelasgians were the ancestors of the Acheans (= which means people of water) and the Ionians (a name that appears in the archaic period),
Their name derives from two greek words : pelas (proxima) + gi (land, earth). It means those who live in the nearby land. So couldn't have been greeks. Others say their nomination is an alternative of the name "pelargi" ("r" in the place of "s"), meaning literally storks! Storks migrate too, as pelasgi did. Pelasgi were considered as having lived on earth before the moon was formed! This is the meaning of the word "προσελληνες": "προ"+(της) "σεληνης"= before (the) moon. But the later may have just been a joke, used to describe someone who has been living in the same place for centuries without moving to other lands. But then, how come they were called pelargi, since they used to migrate?😅 😂😂
@@kelor interesting but again it’s not enough. Gi or gji-gja as u mention it means the center, the maternal milk, the foundation, the land and so many others things in albanian, because the Greek word was taken from albanian of course and has a polysémie (many meaning) that don’t have in Greek because it’s not a original language but one build on Albanian and so young comparing to it so you gonna turn around forever and never get nowhere using Greek to understand the pre-antic history. Even Leipnitz the mathematician have said this truth that if you want to know history BC you have to know Albanian language. To fallow your logic: we have to separate the world in the smallest syllabes and not the other way around to get to the etymologi , so u divide “pe” meaning seing and “larg” meaning far, it means the one who sees far away, but this is not the original meaning again because the word pellg-pelg (one syllable) means the shore, the basin. And life have been developing around the Mediterranean basin or shore. This is were live began and not in Africa, since so far, the oldest pre-humain found is in the actual Ballkan so yes they literally came from the soil or earth. We still use this expression: burri i dheut, njeri i dheut, meaning le man from soil or earth or the one from soil/earth. And yet most of the man have migrated everywhere in Europe and then in the world because they mastered shipping (Albanians still are the biggest diaspora on earth) and not the Greeks of course who never have master anything except manipulation history and stealing our culture lol sorry but not sorry. It was the woman who sustain culture families and all that makes a civilisation were not moving but growing and growing cities and they are numerous prouves again: archeological, linguistic, ethno-cultural (who had a dress,costume that is old for thousands of years and was still the same till the 19th century with all the details describing the story of the family and the region (with variation from one to another) of course Albanians: check Xhubleta and the Plisi that we still wear (the hat that all old statues and drawing has because it was a symbole of freedom and souverainty) and no other population have so much details meaning something. UNESCO underestimated the dress since they think is 4000 BC but it’s much older of course. So funny how Albanian that are seen like the poorest one in Europe have all this rich culture and still are in their lands and keeping all this alive for the truth and not the recognition or fame or whatever. Because we have a hard time imaging that Neanderthal wasn’t a savage who didn’t know anything and didn’t had taste but strangely again the population today who has the most Neanderthalian genes it’s still Albanians. The Divje Babe flut found in Vince-Lepenci which is Illiricum-Illyricum, today Kosovo and Albanian, goes to 58000 BC ! but of course again we are to full of ourselves as moderns to dig more and start recognizing that the oldest population wasn’t just gathering and hunting like savages but they had incredible skills and they have left Goblik Tepe and all the cyclic or cyclopic constructions made of stones all over Europe and the world and so many other prouves that disturbs official history so we just put it on the side and don’t talk about it. We better be less arrogant and more curious, but of course you will go nowhere using Greek just going around without answers if we don’t une the best tool we still have to read the history of our ancestors that is Albanian language still saved by Albanians speakers that are spread in more than 6 countries in Europe and all over the worlds. Where are the Greek speakers of Europe if Greek wasn’t a fake language and was so crucial for our understanding ? They is none outside what have been made modern Greece to serve some political and ideological purpose drove by Europeans aristocracy in the 18-19th century. You have since Vinca/Lepenci in the Neolithique all the statues, that were probably made my woman, representing the figure of a fertile woman meaning very big body giving birth and this in Gobleki Tepe 10000BC, Sesklo 6000BC (because Celtics were also Pellasgians of course ) and Vinca (still pellasgians) and same representation in actual North Macedonia. Let’s not talk about the symboles that the Vikings and so many other population have kept alive related to the Pellgasians/Pellasgians. Again the oldest place we have discover so far where people had build houses on water is still in Albania, Lin-Lini next to Pogradec, University of Bern. So yes it’s impossible to get the pellasgians because they were probably the oldest civilisation ever know and the one who had spread out all over the planet and still had this foundation in the Illirian peninsule that was later call Ballkan to erase the heritage of Europe. And now some stupid people would say:we aren’t even sure that ilirian language have existed or is related to the language of the Pellgas, but randomly they are people from more than 8000 years who have been living in Albania and Kosovo and still with all the evidences that a mention and still have the same language all over the area but they didn’t even had a language, it’s so stupide right, doesn’t make any sense. Moderns can’t imagine that the oral transmission is the real one and writing is so new in mankind history because symboles are the expression of the mystic and holy mind and connection to the sacred, not the damaged modern mind who thinks only with conceptual words and try to separate everything instead of getting the whole vision or comprehension. But anyhow Bal-Ball as in Baltic Sea (ancient Pellasgian were there too and it’s the front head of Europe right), means the front, the fronthead in Albania and since this is the mother of indo-Europeans languages you can’t hide any meaning related to toponymes because all the words that are used for thousands of years all over the worlds brings back to that mysterious and fabulous language that Albanians had kept alive for the pride of all humanity. So again you are losing your time trying to understand European history with a language like Greek that is a made one by some priests one generations after another and give more misinformations that truth to any interpretation. You don’t need to know albanian even though it’s a privilege to learn and know it for your own good and comprehension, you can use every time Google translate to check the meanings and albanian explains the meaning of the words that the world keeps inside since is a natural language, and not just the concept of the word but his symbole related to the mystic representation of the ancients who gave us that meaning. It’s a philosophy by itself. Wish you the best
@@sokoli3253 I know how proud you feel about your history, but you still have to make it pass through the UNO to be recognised, no matter how hard you try to convince me about your country's antiquity. Again I' not the right person to talk to. Try and find some convincing archaeologists, some precious albanian scripts on stones or marbles, some albanian exibits in renowned museums like in Berlin and Louvre and have your civilization recognised as the oldest in the Balkans (sorry in the name of Louvre that this horrible museum has the statue of the greek goddess Niki, made by he greek sculptor Praxitelis at its entrance, as its most precious exibit, as if this horrible myseum wished to keep albanians at bay). I'd be happy to hear from you again, but after some cultural world congress proclaims albanian nation as the oldest existing worldwide! By the way it's not only Ball-bal that gave its name to the baltic sea, but also "bar-bar", that gave its name to the bar-bar-ians (as we greeks call the celts etc) . You know of course that your ancestors used to let their sheep on the look-out for grass in the region of Hepirus, as your thieves still do today, in search of our precious herbs. Our police is very busy in Hepirus, thanks to your thieves! We have to thank you for keeping us awake at night. Yunnan is a district in China. Yunnan, in turkish language, means "Iones", one of the three greek tribes. Does this mean that greeks migrated to China, too? Is yunnan a greek name only? Or does it mean that there are common names, meaning different things in different languages, like the definition that you gave for the name pelasgi, considering it an albanian name? He? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yunnan If you can tell what the scripture in sesklo means in pelasgian, I'll believe that you are pelasgian.. BTW gji in albanian may mean "to breed", but it is not the same with the greek word "ghi", meaning "earth". Different pronounciation and different meaning. "Ghi" is an abbreviation of "ghaia" (ΓΑΙΑ, γαια). This was the original word for "earth", in greek. Even if the pronounciation of this word was the same in greek and in albanian, this wouldn't mean that the word you mentionned would have the same meaning in your language as in mine. Take the word "katso" for example..It is pronounced exactly the same in greek, as in italian. But in italian it has a filthy meaning, whereas in greek it simply means "to sit". It's a verb, you see.
I believe the Indo- europeans that mixed with the Pelasgians were the Hellenes who came down from the Northern Mountains bringing their language and customs including their mythology of Mt. Olympus. They were of a great stature and of blonde hair and blue eyes, unlike what ive read of the Pelasgians, who were a "darker" race and of black hair. Herodotus, the Greek historian, records that Greeks were heavy eaters of olives, figs, dates, grapes, apples, oranges and other fare. This noted historian wrote: "The oldest inhabitants of Greece, the Pelasgians, who came before the Dorian, Ionian and Elian migrations, inhabited Arcadia and Thessaly, possessing the islands of Lesbos and Lakemanas, which were full of orange groves. The people with their diet of dates and oranges lived on an average of more than 200 years." Another Greek, the poet Hesiod, said: "The Pelasgians and the people who came after them in Greece, ate fruits of the virgin forest and blackberries from the fields." Plutarch, the Greek biographer, observed: "The ancient Greeks, before the time of Lycurgus, ate nothing but fruits." Much of our history indicates that our ancestors were fruitarians. But, history books today omit or falsify our past and our fruit-eating nature.
At last! I will learn more about them❤
🤺☦🇷🇺You will learn ALL about them now, beautiful Pole💐I will tell you exactly who they were, and who exactly comprise the Greek race (Ion), and solve you the whole mystery: The Caslukhites and Caphtorites, who are the so called "minoans" and "sea people", were distinct Egyptian races from which came the Philistines (Peleset/Pelasgians), who carried haplogroup E3b-v13, and are none other than the Illyrians - today mostly Albanians. And this is the correct description of the family of Greeks: *YAVAN* (Greeks/Ioanians): *Elisha* (Aeolians: Hellas/Elis/Alishiya -mainland Greeks) *Tarshish* (Etruscans: Tarsus, Cilicia/Corsica/Tartessus/Troas; Teresh/Tyrrhenians -Tuscans, east Italy) *Kittim* (Achaeans: Cyprus+aegean islands -Macedonians) *Dodanim* (Dorians: Dardanians, Dodana/Denyen/Dodecanese islands+Rhodes; Italics/Latins=Rome - Italians)
modern Greeks have nothing in common with antiquity, apart from Arvanites or Albanians to day.
This is totally disinformation, Pelasgians are not Greece never was but you have these scumbags they stealing everything from Albanian history They can't explain the language so how they was Greece
The Pelasgians weren’t indo European and were in fact a pre indo European people. Same with the Etruscans, Rhaetians, Picts, Basque, etc.
Yes, but no - the Etruscans were 1 of the 4 races of Greeks, and the Rhaetians, Picts et. were Celtic tribes
@@EasternOrthodox101 that’s not true because the Etruscans are not a indo European people and there language is unintelligible to its neighbors and people afar, so how can it be one of the Ancient Greek languages? Also the picts were not celts but in fact there own people sharing different genetics from the caledonians and celts of northern Scotland.
@@JulianDuke14 If they carry R1b, they are Celts, if not, tell me their haplogroupand I will tell you who they are. Secondly, Etruscans are 100% European and a distinct race of Greeks. Their language is not understood but they used a kind of Phoenician alphabet just like the Greeks have, and their dna was confirmed to be related to Romans - another distinct Greek race.
@@EasternOrthodox101 I didn’t say they weren’t European but not part of the indo European peoples and language. Secondly, it’s true the picts were not celts but there own people as Roman authors cited the the Pictish language was completely unintelligent from its neighbors and genetics. They are not related to the Romans and Greek that is wrong and history and science has shown the Etruscans are distinct peoples, not to say they aren’t native to Europe and in fact they’ve been in Europe before the Greek, Romans, latins, and other indo Europeans arrived to the continent. If you could prove otherwise Plz list the sources how they are related to the Greeks and Romans. I doubt it
@@JulianDuke14 I said myself that they were distinct people - but a distinct sub-race of GREEKS. Now, I don't know about the picts, but you didn't mention their y-dna haplogroup, so what is it? If you tell me I can tell you who they are too. And, NO. They are related to Romans and I will give you the source. But, please don't use those false modern terms like Indo this Indo that. They are wrong and meaningless - there are only modern popular theoretical ideas
Pelasgians is native peoples of greece and South Balkan, they were invaded during bronze age by the Indo European Hellenics/Greek (maccedonians) DNA R1a...... Pelasgians were mainly mixed DNA paternal haplo group J2 and E-v13
Do for Thrace please
thacians of shot of hittites
@@robertolang9684 what?
Seriously, this channel is severely underrated. The pelasgians poped up and there it is a hidden treasure of Greek prehistory and even more than that. You look like an archeologist though mate with that kind of in depth knowledge in these prehistoric fact. Cheers. Well done, looking forward for more.
Thanks Ioannis!
I am reposting this lost comment: Where the Pelasgians Greek? Basically through genetics - Genetic origins of the Minoans and Mycenaeans Iosif Lazaridis et al, Harvard University press, Journal: Nature 2017 , the answer is there already. Neolithic people mixed with anatolian originated Greeks. So neolithic dna is found on mycenians but in much smaller part in modern Greeks. So in a way they comprise a part of modern greeks also but with diminishing percentage due to recent influx. You may check the paper. And now if you consider them Greek? Its a matter of perspective, but if the parents of Mycenians were partially Pelasgians as it seems from recent research, I think that we may call them Greek, as they are partially found in genetic signatures of Greeks today. But did the Pelasgians feel Greek? I d say definately no, its too early in history for ethnicities to even exist. But after all we all originate from the same ancestors, just the time of divergence changes. So whats the point if they are Greek or not :) ? They were people that were mixed with the arrivals and their genes survived today. Many words of them also survived (Pre-Greek ISBN : 9789004279384, 9789004279445 ) and are used today in modern greek. Your choice guys!
🤺☦🇷🇺You never mention what is their y-dba. I will tell you exactly who they were, and who exactly comprise the Greek race (Ion), and solve you the whole mystery: The Caslukhites and Caphtorites, who are the so called "minoans" and "sea people", were distinct Egyptian races from which came the Philistines (Peleset/Pelasgians), who carried haplogroup E3b-v13, and are none other than the Illyrians - today mostly Albanians. And this is the correct description of the family of Greeks: *YAVAN* (Greeks/Ioanians): *Elisha* (Aeolians: Hellas/Elis/Alishiya -mainland Greeks) *Tarshish* (Etruscans: Tarsus, Cilicia/Corsica/Tartessus/Troas; Teresh/Tyrrhenians -Tuscans, east Italy) *Kittim* (Achaeans: Cyprus+aegean islands -Macedonians) *Dodanim* (Dorians: Dardanians, Dodana/Denyen/Dodecanese islands+Rhodes; Italics/Latins=Rome - Italians)
@@EasternOrthodox101 weird bot stop spamming bs 😂
How do you define "civilization"?
You can just Google the definition or something similar but it goes like this: Civilisation is a team of peoples aka a society having permanent settlements in a specific land having their own language,writing system,laws and rulers
Indeed.
According to DIONISIOS ALICARNASEUS CLEARLY STATES PELASGIANS WERE A GREEK RACE Originated FROM PELOPONISOS speaking early form of Greek.
its correct that Pelasgian and Achaeans were related. Modern DNA confirms Minoans and Mycenaeans were closely related and that modern Greeks are their descendants, If one assumes of course that the Minoans were a Pelasgian people. But Mycenaeans were slghtly different from the minoans they had about 20% of their DNA from northerners who some have connected witth the Seima Turbino culture.
Pelasgians were indeed indigenous Albanian as declared by Greeks to be barbaric. Greeks have originated from INLAND which is they lack seafaring terminology in their language, and what sea based term they have are loaned from Albanian. Greeks are not originally Mediterranean people, the Mediterranean DNA among Greeks comes from Albanians while the original Greek DNA is Balkan. Ancestors of the Greeks lived beyond the Jirecek line most likely originated from Bulgaria or Romania. Proof that the Greeks came from a landlocked area of the Balkans. Proof that they have with NO CONNECTION to the sea is their total lack of native seafaring words, And the few words the Greeks have for sea related terms are loan words from Albanian. Epirus and Macedonia were Proto-Albanian territory - the birth place of the Albanian race. The Minoan civilisation of Crete and the Cycladic civilisation of the Aegean were Pelasgian folk nothing to do with Greeks. There is no such thing as proto Greek. Greek is a recent invention of European powers and are a mix of Albanians, Slavs Turks and Italians. Greece was originally Pelasgian territory before the arrival Greeks from north of Jirecek line. DNA tests show that Albanians are indeed Mediterranean and native in the region whereas Greeks are less Mediterranean and most slavic.
@@JapanMonAmourTheJapanHouse nope, Albanians always existed and were mentioned under the pretext Pelasgian. Later Albanoi, Arberi, and finally Shqiperi. But there was no such thing as Greek in antiquity. That's for sure.
@@JapanMonAmourTheJapanHouse The difference between Greeks and Albanians is that Greek is a religious entity while Albanian is an ethnic entity.
@@southepirote7676 The Proto Greeks originated from the Orestian Highlands of North western Greece which is. Epirus and Macedonia. That is regarded as proto Greek territory and was the birth place of the Greek race and the Greek language, Some proto Greek tribes migrated south as Dorians around 1100 BC and were absorbed by the Mycenaean civilisation, and Pelasgian Cycladic civilisation and Minoan ciivilisation which were indigenous to the Aegean basin. Those proto Greeks that remained in the Orestian highlands became the Epirotes (Mollosians) and Macedonians. The arrival of the Dorians in the south of Greece and Aegean basin caused a fusion of the Proto Greek and Pelasgian (linear A) languages and Linear B (Mycenaean). The Greek language is thus a fusion of Proto Greek, Linear A and Linear B. Modern Greek therefore has many words of Pelasgian origin which are found in Greek words of 'th;, 'nth; 'ss' and 'tt' string sounds.THALASSA the Greek word for sea is thus a Greek word of Pelasgian origin as it contains the typical Pelasgian string sounds of 'th' and 'ss' as do many Greek place names such as the Minoan city of Knossos, Athens etc
@@southepirote7676 More seafaring words of Pelasgian origin VATHIA THALASSA (deep sea) containg Pelasgian th and ss string sounds
There are some theories that connect ancient Pelasgian language with ancient form of albanian, that has survived amongst the ghegh tribes of albanian population.
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Try to make a decision are you illyrian or Pelasgian? Try Marcus Aurelius to solve yr trilemma
Typically we follow Hesiod and the Homeric Epics for genealogy and we are spot on , with confirming archeological findings, so Pelasgoi are people from Dodona, Epirus, Greece, older than that the children of the cataclysm
Is this from wikipedia?
Question is whether the Pelasgians or Minyans were linguistically related to the native people of Asia Minor such as Troy
Good question. Language of the Trojans is still an enigma.
@@WanaxTV would you do a video about Minyans? I know info is sparse but a video about Jason and Orchemenus would be pretty cool
@@DavidValdezBigWaveDave upvote minyans.
🤺☦🇷🇺No, they weren't. I will tell you exactly who they were, and who exactly comprise the Greek race (Ion), and solve you the whole mystery: The Caslukhites and Caphtorites, who are the so called "minoans" and "sea people", were distinct Egyptian races from which came the Philistines (Peleset/Pelasgians), who carried haplogroup E3b-v13, and are none other than the Illyrians - today mostly Albanians. And this is the correct description of the family of Greeks: *YAVAN* (Greeks/Ioanians): *Elisha* (Aeolians: Hellas/Elis/Alishiya -mainland Greeks) *Tarshish* (Etruscans: Tarsus, Cilicia/Corsica/Tartessus/Troas; Teresh/Tyrrhenians -Tuscans, east Italy) *Kittim* (Achaeans: Cyprus+aegean islands -Macedonians) *Dodanim* (Dorians: Dardanians, Dodana/Denyen/Dodecanese islands+Rhodes; Italics/Latins=Rome - Italians)
@@EasternOrthodox101 alright, I saw your posts around some videos and I'll ask this; Any Church Fathers that talk or confirm these claims?
i am really glad that someone mentions the Pelasgians, now may i add an important fact too... in mythology (which later became actual history), Pelasgus was the first man to walk on this planet, he was son of Prometheus, the Titan that sculpted humans (adam and eve myth is probably a copy pasta of this), but probably, Pelasgus was the first man to ever walk this planet after the big cataclysm where the Moon probably abandoned the Earth... he lived in Lykossoura in Peloponnesus, its said that this city is the oldest of all, some say that its 13.000 years old, but since Pelasgus lived and even Trismegistus lived after the creation of the city, its way older... so probably the human race after the cataclysm vanished, and the ones who were smart enough to hide or something survived... Pelasgus was one of them and probably the smartest of them all, as he was half Titan himself... Hellenas and Grekos were one of his descendants (Deukalion's sons, Deukalion was a descendant of Pelasgus too, so yeah)
Why only albanians speak the language of pelasgian today malaka
@@realthebest9029 why no one ancient say illyrians or albanian pelasgian malaka>?
@@nikosmihalo4706 in this time doesnt exist the word greek or albanian malaka
@@nikosmihalo4706 can you respond me 3 questions which till now anybody greek ( let say cauacas) dont respond me 1- who did revolution 1821( arvanitas) 2- conference of London 1913 what happened ( give the Cameria Greece) 3 - why you killed Enrico Tellini
@@nikosmihalo4706 enough with propaganda history, but its not your fault because you grown what your government write in books but you need to read the real history not only what is write in greek books, KATALLAVEZ
Thank you Αναξ
I didn't know how complicated of a question this was. I think it's safe to say they were a pre-indo european population who originally spoke in the same language family as the Minoans and Etruscans.
I'm not sure it's safe to put Minoan language into category with Etruscans.
@@WanaxTV There's a book I'm reading - Minoan, Etruscan, and Related Languages: A Comparative Analysis by Dr. Sergej A. Jatsemirskij who makes that claim. He has found some similarities and composed a small dictionary. Yeah, I guess it isn't 100% proven but it's a compelling hypothesis. More research needs to be done; maybe advances in AI could help too.
@@WanaxTV The theory is based on the fact that Pelasgians, Tyrsenians (>Etruscans?), Leleges and Eteocretans represent the same or subsequent neolithic waves of migration from northwestern Mesopotamia to Western Anatolia and the Aegean. Therefore, it is lingustically plossible that they spoke languages from the same language family (…similar as Greek with Latin or German…) or at least the spoke different languages but with shared vocabulary due to aerial effect. Etruscan, Lemnian and Eteocretan, as written in Greek alphabet at historical times, show similarities. However, Eteocretan, as written in Linear A or Cretan hieroglyphics, is difficult to compare and seems less similar when taking into account what has been proposed as reading. So, the situation is still puzzling, but some scholars have the ambition to understand Linear A with such comparisons.
🤺☦🇷🇺Of the minoans, who were their ancestors, yes, but not of Etruscans, who were Greek. I will tell you exactly who they were, and who exactly comprise the Greek race (Ion), and solve you the whole mystery: The Caslukhites and Caphtorites, who are the so called "minoans" and "sea people", were distinct Egyptian races from which came the Philistines (Peleset/Pelasgians), who carried haplogroup E3b-v13, and are none other than the Illyrians - today mostly Albanians. And this is the correct description of the family of Greeks: *YAVAN* (Greeks/Ioanians): *Elisha* (Aeolians: Hellas/Elis/Alishiya -mainland Greeks) *Tarshish* (Etruscans: Tarsus, Cilicia/Corsica/Tartessus/Troas; Teresh/Tyrrhenians -Tuscans, east Italy) *Kittim* (Achaeans: Cyprus+aegean islands -Macedonians) *Dodanim* (Dorians: Dardanians, Dodana/Denyen/Dodecanese islands+Rhodes; Italics/Latins=Rome - Italians)
@@alps.Correct, but no, they weren't speaking the same language family, and weren't related. Etruscans spoke a distinct Greek language based on Phoenician alphabet, and Pelasgians spoke a distinct Egyptian one. I will tell you exactly who they were, and who exactly comprise the Greek race (Ion), and solve you the whole mystery: The Caslukhites and Caphtorites, who are the so called "minoans" and "sea people", were distinct Egyptian races from which came the Philistines (Peleset/Pelasgians), who carried haplogroup E3b-v13, and are none other than the Illyrians - today mostly Albanians. And this is the correct description of the family of Greeks: *YAVAN* (Greeks/Ioanians): *Elisha* (Aeolians: Hellas/Elis/Alishiya -mainland Greeks) *Tarshish* (Etruscans: Tarsus, Cilicia/Corsica/Tartessus/Troas; Teresh/Tyrrhenians -Tuscans, east Italy) *Kittim* (Achaeans: Cyprus+aegean islands -Macedonians) *Dodanim* (Dorians: Dardanians, Dodana/Denyen/Dodecanese islands+Rhodes; Italics/Latins=Rome - Italians)
The theory that Etruscans were exiled Pelasgians is quite interesting! Since Etruscan script has been likened to Lemnian script it's not too farfetched to theorise that the Lemnian Pelasgians took their culture and script to Tyrrhenia. Timeline-wise it seems to fit too. Athenians resettled Lemnos according to Herodotus, expelling the natives. An uneducated guess of mine would be that the Pelasgians may have probably just assimilated themselves with the local Etruscan natives bringing over their technology, i.e. script. On the other hand...why settle in Tuscany in particular?
It's not theory, you can understand this if you study both languages. It's obvious that they belong to the same language family with Hellenic.
Nice place Tuscany. People are no longer interested in mass movement of peoples, which is a rather Victorian approach. Cultures may develop and there may be elite individuals exiled, etc, but people moving en masse and naming their new country after their ruler is antiquated.
where do you infer something like this? Today we know very well that the Etruscans used the Latin alphabet that the Chalcidians brought to Italy Their language, although we read it, is completely unknown
@@panagiotis7946 Have I entered the Time Tunnel? The Etruscan language was originally written in the North Italic alphabet, derived from the Greek, but not yet the Latin. There are also Gaulish inscriptions in the NI script. The people of Venetia also used it. While it’s true that Etruscan isn’t easy, there’s numerous texts, such as the Linen Book of Zagreb, once used to wrap an Egyptian mummy. The Greek alphabet, or a version of it with letters later lost to Classical Greek, was adopted in north Italy. It’s like going back fifty years.
@@panagiotis7946 δεν είναι άγνωστη έχει διαβαστεί
I recommend you read a book Dr. Adhamidhi wrote about Pelasgians a century ago
5:00 Achilles genealogy is interesting because his grandfather was Nereus, and his mother is a Nereid. Also, Aphrodite was a nereid in some mythologies. So, does that make Achilles a Pelasgian? That means Herakles was Pelasgian as well.
Who cares? Theses are fictional characters not historical ones
@@EasternOrthodox101It matters out of curiosity and inspiration. Those characters are beloved.
@@cinattra Inspiration? That's how gays talk🤦♂️😅No it matters to you out of Paganism lol
@@EasternOrthodox101lol wut...self projecting much, eh🤣🤣... Also your bible is plagerised, erroneous and fictitious, to understand it one better reach further back in time and strive to understand the foundations of the ancient beliefs and traditions.
@@EasternOrthodox101 Are Abraham and Moses fictional characters?
were the minoans and the Cycladic civilisation Pelasgians??
The Pelasgians were a civilization that lived on the territory of Romania.
The Minoans of Crete and the Cycladic civilisation were Pelasgians. Pelasgians. The name Pelasgians (Ancient Greek: Πελασγοί, romanized: Pelasgoí, singular: Πελασγός Pelasgós) was used by Classical Greek writers to refer either to the predecessors of the Greeks, or to all the inhabitants of Greece before the emergence of the Greeks. In general, "Pelasgian" has come to mean more broadly all the indigenous inhabitants of the Aegean Sea region and their cultures, and British historian Peter Green comments on it as "a hold-all term for any ancient, primitive and presumably indigenous people of Greece and the Aegean basin.
Pelasgian "family" lists languages in four groups, of which only Albanian is well-attested» Oxford University Linguistics “The speakers of the Indo-European language that would become Albanian and the speakers of the Indo-European language (Hellenic Albanian) that would become Modern Greek were the first to enter the Illyrian Peninsula whose languages are of relevance for modern Albanian linguistics.”: «Nonetheless, Eric Hamp, who has been the most careful and conservative of specialists on Albanian dealing with this issue, has decided that the evidence linking Albanian to Messapic, which in turn has been linked to Illyrian, is sufficient to see Albanian as a descendant of a language to Illyrian, if not a descendant of Illyrian itself» Eric Hamp was a legendary and renowned Indo-European linguist, as well as specialist of the Albanian language. After 50 years of studying it, he argued that Albanian's affinities to the Messapic language proved that, at the very least, it was part of the same brandy as illyrian John Van Antwerp (1991). University of Michigan, Press. Book: (the illyrians were able to rettest into the mountains at the time of slavic migrations and thereby to retain their identities as albanians» Also «traditionally scholars have seen the illyrians as the proto - albanians». Scholars like the Oxford Professor of History, Noel Malcolm, link the Albanian origin to the ancient area of Epirus. Again, some will probably oppose this explanation solely due to political bias. By Budapest university in hungary: «The albanians are one of the most ancient people of southeast Europe; their ancestors were illyrians... From Linköping university: «order to understand the Albanian language, one must first understand this country’s history. Being one of the oldest peoples in the southeast Europe, Albanians have a formidable history dating back to the time of Alexander the Great but even further back via the history of their ancestors, the Illyrians. Published by H. M. Stationary office in university of California «the albanians, skipetars, epirotes, dardanians are descendants of the ancient illyrians. This book is by university of california as you can see with the «univ calif» ok the Bottom of every page in the book. «While the strong men of Albania, like their ancestors Who lived before agamemnon (a so called old ancient "greece" hero)» page 179 Also «the illyrian tribes, now represented by shkypetar or albanians» page 181. «by constantine A. Chekrezi, A. B. (Harv)» aka by Harvard university (best university in the world), also published in Columbia university as it also says. «It is generally recognized to-day that the albanians are the most ancient race in southeastern europe. All indications point to the fact that They are the descendants of the earliest pelasgians were represented in historical times by the kindred illyrians, macedonians.» in page 3. also «this (albanian) language is particularly interesting as the only surviving representative of the so called illyrian group of languages» in page 5. By University of NORTH Dakota: «the albanians are Among the oldest people of europe. Anciently their country formed a part of the roman provinces of illyria epirus». In page 1 By Colorado state university: «Archaeological excavations in central and northwest Greece have brought to light the cultural and skeletal remains of the ancient Illyrians» also: «the physical activity of the illyrians, ancient albanians...» both of these sentences is in page 1.
Oι Πελασγοί Είναι Οι Παλιότεροι Πρόγονοι Μας
SUPERB! I can't help but be struck by the similarity between the name Pelasgians and the (ancient and modern) Greek word "pelagos". If the etymology of "Pelasgians" has something to do with "the sea" (pelagos), wouldn't that make the Pelasgians mean "The Sea People"????? Okay. in legend, the Pelasgians were named after their King. But it is possible that the name did not arise from the King, as the legend says. That could have been a later mis-interpretation. Hmmmmmmmm........intriguing.
Interesting observation. In Greek mythology, almost every tribe is supposedly named after their ancient king/founder.
The association with Pelagos, the sea, seems to many to suggest the Pelasgians dwelt near to the sea and benefitted from it. The rugged mountains and wild beasts of inland Hellas may have not have appealed to the. (I believe the author, Mary Renault, referred to the Pelasgians in her Theseus novels as the Shore People.)
@@WanaxTV Pelagos comes from IE root "pele2" which means wide,spread. And we are quite sure the pre-Hellenes, like Pelasgoi f.e were not Indoeuropean.
Alexander... όι πελας :the neighbours 'ο πελαργός- ου stork 'o πέλαγος: the sea πελαγιζειν to be on the sea 'o πελαγιος : of the sea So You can choose the most appropriated denomination of the Pelasgians.
@@ezzovonachalm9815 in linguistics the Πελασγός /Πέλαγος does not satisfy either morphologically or semantically
I now understand from almost all comments that the ancient world was Greek. Even before Helenic or call it pre-achean times again, it's all Greek. It's all dialects and on and on. Repeating theories that are after all theories. No effort is made for critical analysis at the commentary level. Hopefully Profesional historians will finally come out of this 19 century English-Great-Greek Himera. It has been more than a century repeating old thesis and expanding in self righteous dreams even if new evidence has emerged or new theories based on careful new reading of old autors has been established in logic. But of course honorable leaders of historical established are often the greatest barrier to historical science. History has proven to be a shades of gray like live it self. Exclusive nations are just patriotic dream.
We call Greece saberdzneti, it is coded like the brothers of the Iberians, the brother of Iberia, that is, it is related to Iberia, I have seen many programs that their language is similar to Spanish and I think that it is similar to Georgian, and Spain is also related to Georgia, for example Basques and Celtic-Iberians. Therefore, I think that the Pelasgians are Iberian people, look at the word, here you can see Las, the same as Laz or Lazet, the same as Georgia, or the Lazes.
i'm a Iberian i know that even before i born that i'm pelasgian , and my seeds comes from kotias Georgia Armenia Iran , take it or leave it , my DNA clues are very clear i only need to follow it like a dog its way home
alexander humboldt , discovered it all but the German fake arians did silenced him ,
For a long time in Georgia, there is an idea that the Pelasgians are Georgian people, this Iberian civilization is very old, it can be said the first, it included Chaldea, Hittites(Hattians), Mitanni and spread over the entire European territory to India. It has nothing to do with Armenia and Iran, they are other people and another civilization, Chaldea was conquered by Iran and that place was occupied by other people as a result of battles, and there are few people left from the Iberian civilization who survived the battles with other civilizations, as well as Spain, Basques and Pelasgians and Etruscans, these are all Iberian people@@robertolang9684
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Pelasgians where NOT drug dealers of cia , italian made "nation" of balkan turkic horde
haha best way to say albanian ;)
But they were not Ethiopians, pedo.philes, homo.sexuals, and not even bla.ck. They were neither orthodox, criminals, nor genocidal ...
albanian cahllenge :try not to steal ancient people(impossible)🤣🤣🤣
This is ironic, coming from a Greek nationalist of all people 😂
@@southepirote7676You Really Can't Stand 5 Minutes Without Spread Propaganda And Claim Greek History And Origin Like A Baby Who Wants All The Time Breast Milk 🤣😂
Steal from who exactly?
Sadly his father, Priam, mourned for him, not knowing that young Aesacus had assumed wings on his shoulders, and was yet alive. Then also Hector with his brothers made complete but unavailing sacrifice, upon a tomb which bore his carved name. Paris was absent. But soon afterwards, he brought into that land a ravished wife, Helen, the cause of a disastrous war, together with a thousand ships, and all the great Pelasgian nation...The Roman poet Ovid describes the Greeks of the Trojan War as Pelasgians in his Metamorphoses.... Pelasgians were the Greeks themselves.
*Hellenism 101:* 1. Early "Hellenes" are mix of Phoenician colonizers / settlers, who seized lands in the Pelasgian Peninsula (Cadmus/Kadeem, Abas/Abaz, Achiles/Akeel and other names are Middle Eastern), posing as locals to justify their presence in Pelasgia. The Trojan War was not truly for Helen, but for hegemony in the region. Later "Helenes" are mostly Pelasgians who have accepted the Phoenician overlords. Note: Hellenism works the same way as any religion coming out of Middle East, where it transforms the identity of nations through culture and belief, but people are the same. Think of an imaginary "New Caliphate of Britain", where the entire prior history, customs and language will be distorted, destroyed and re-written. 2. Pelasgians are the indigenous inhabitants of the Pelasgian peninsula (Balkans), who were under attack (and still are) due to their maritime exposure of lands. While all other Pelasgians have been assimilated into Hellenism and are now the "foot soldiers" of the ancient Phoenician order, the only remaining Pelasgians still unassimilated are the ones currently called Albanians, thanks to the protective terrain of the Mountainous area of Pelasgia (Eperia and Malesia / Epirus and Molossia). 3. Moral of the story: Albanians = Pelasgians (Natives) Greeks = Traitor (or losing) Pelasgians under the Phoenician Order. Nothing more to it. All other stories are "spins and manipulations" to cover these barebone facts. Don't hang your hat on any of it - especially if it's contradictory, undetermined or against the human primal instincts of domination. Stop Romanticizing and you'll See Clearly! If you're not ON the "Albanian Train" right now... you won't matter in the next 2-5 years.
History is not your major actually you have an issue should you finish Grammar School in about 100 ( AD Marcus Aurelius starting point in order to find out what happened in the illyria area at the time) years a Prime basic course in linguistics might be therapeutic for instance a simple one etymology of the word Europe in a ... certain language that differs to your own
@@nezperce2767 You're right - my major is Logic... and logic is clearly missing in "History".
@@intelliGENeration your major is ignorance try schooling for a change tough though! "Inteligence is the only item equally spread on the planet by nature. One is satisfied by lacking (logical - yr case) it cause cannot realize the gap the one is satisfied as well as one does understand the mentality of one"
@@intelliGENeration yr major is ignorance." Inteligence is the only equally spread item on earth. The handicaped satisfied out of ignorance on the matter while one may go on with his life knowing the difference" without effort at the same time
You nailed it at the end. The Pelasgians were what the later Greeks called the pre-Greek indigenous inhabitants who were there when the IEs began to arrive and began to become Greeks.
Rhapsody b iliad . Should you read it I ll offer you an other written documented source
pelasgians were probably indo-european speakers themselves of the Anatolian branch
Indo-European is a german theory of the 18th century questioned as Germans have a certain aproach to the society. Should one read ancient sourses as for instance iliad rapsoduly b one may find out the word pelasgian Hellas or hellenes ( greek is a roman aproach towards the abovemention tribes like it or not as texts put it down in BLACK AND WHITE. A requirement is needed. Knowledge of greek latin German English or french in fluency in order to study relevant texts sourses signs scholars or historians throughout time
@@RichardEdwards40 Nope. No evidence for a such a conjecture.
@@douglaskingsman2565 In western Anatolia, many toponyms with the "-ss-" infix derive from the adjectival suffix also seen in cuneiform Luwian and some Palaic; the classic example is Bronze Age Tarhuntassa (loosely meaning "City of the Storm God Tarhunta"), and later Parnassus possibly related to the Luwian word parna- or "house". These elements have led to a second theory that Pelasgian was to some degree an Anatolian language, or that it had areal influences from Anatolian languages.[87] or maybe there were an unkown indo-European branch that arrived before the others. interesting to ponder about
The Iliad of Homer who was a Rhapsod and cause he was blind his nickname means The poor one , sings about the war between The Pellazgians of Troya(means property or fatherland) and The Achaeans of Pelloponessos.
I thought Homeros meant the foreigner. There is no evidence at all about Homer, not least blindness. There is a blind bard in the Odyssey, which is where that may have arisen,
“The Peloponnesus, which was formerly called Apia1 and Pelasgia…” (Plin.IV.5)
I want to ask you one question, the Pelasgians and the Caucasian Albans are the Lazki people, something to do with it? if you have any questions about the language, please ask your questions, who knows the Pelazgian language, I will answer in Lezgian.
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Another great vid. The origins of these truly ancient peoples shall forever be shrouded in the mists of time. Fascinating how ancient Scholarship itself had great variations on the origins of their ancestors. One thing that always saddens me though is the reluctants of many scholars to accept the fact that European peoples could well have reached civilized by their own efforts. There can be no doubt that the infuelnces of the East were felt but why do people insist that peoples such as the Etruscans in Italy - and indeed the Pelasgians as well as Eteocretans and others in Greece - were unable to advance themselves without aid from Egypt, Asia Minor and the Fertile Crescent?
I think the biggest hinderance to early european civilization was nomadic tribes and warfare. Excluding North America, The steppe and the tropics practically all river valleys develop civilizations. Although civilization obviously radiated out of the Fertile Crescent I think much of Europe would have developed civilizations independent from the Middle East with time.
What's very interesting is disagreement between Herodotus and Dionysus, both from Halicarnassus.
You seem to have the wrong idea. Everything that occurs has a cause. The Ancient Hellenes had forebears & influences as did the ancient Hellenic language, and some of those influences are certainly from the proto-Indo-European peoples of central Asia and Egypt in Africa. BUT, as you indicate, the actual Hellenes (or Greeks as the Romans called them) appeared *first* in ancient Hellas, and so did the Hellenic (Greek) language. All these influences came together to make something new. The ancient Hellenes created themslves - by their own efforts - over time, though never able to forget their distinct tribal origins.
🤺☦🇷🇺Not for those who follow the table of nations. I will tell you exactly who they were, and who exactly comprise the Greek race (Ion), and solve you the whole mystery: The Caslukhites and Caphtorites, who are the so called "minoans" and "sea people", were distinct Egyptian races from which came the Philistines (Peleset/Pelasgians), who carried haplogroup E3b-v13, and are none other than the Illyrians - today mostly Albanians. And this is the correct description of the family of Greeks: *YAVAN* (Greeks/Ioanians): *Elisha* (Aeolians: Hellas/Elis/Alishiya -mainland Greeks) *Tarshish* (Etruscans: Tarsus, Cilicia/Corsica/Tartessus/Troas; Teresh/Tyrrhenians -Tuscans, east Italy) *Kittim* (Achaeans: Cyprus+aegean islands -Macedonians) *Dodanim* (Dorians: Dardanians, Dodana/Denyen/Dodecanese islands+Rhodes; Italics/Latins=Rome - Italians)
correctly this is done for reasons of geostrategic propaganda. The peoples of Mesopotamia and Egypt had never built open sea ships On the contrary, the Greek area with its many islands was forced from the Middle Stone Age to communicate between them for transport and trade
Though it's been so often said it has become assumed that Danaans = Achaeans, because it *seemed* to be that way in Homer. But many disagree. As in your quote saying the Pelagian name was changed to Danaan "by decree", so a case can be made that Danaans were the term for all Greek-speakers from Hellas and elsewhere, and it was Achaeans only during the last decades of the Mycenaean Empire.
Possible. I'm pretty sure that there was at least *some* kind of difference in terms Achaean and Danaan. Available Hittite texts record "Ahhiya" as far back as late 15th century BC, and they indicate that Hatti were probably aware of Ahhiya existence even earlier. So I wouldn't say that Achaeans was a term used only towards the end, but I agree that the two terms cannot be 100% exactly the same. I wish we knew what the exact difference was. Perhaps it was something similar to Spartans and Lacedaemonians, where Sparta referred to the actual city and a class of full citizens in political sense, where Lacedaemon was the name of the whole state and a general name for its inhabitants. Maybe Danaans referred to citizens within the legal framework, or perhaps the opposite? Or maybe there was really a king named Danaaus by whom Achaeans called themselves in addition to "Achaeans"? A lot of possible theories. What we know for sure is that they called themselves "Argives" because of their core area (Argolis, or even narrower, Argos). So at least we've got 1 out of 3 for sure. 👍
🤺☦🇷🇺That's correct, they were 2 differet races of greeks! will tell you exactly who they were, and who exactly comprise the Greek race (Ion), and solve you the whole mystery: The Caslukhites and Caphtorites, who are the so called "minoans" and "sea people", were distinct Egyptian races from which came the Philistines (Peleset/Pelasgians), who carried haplogroup E3b-v13, and are none other than the Illyrians - today mostly Albanians. And this is the correct description of the family of Greeks: *YAVAN* (Greeks/Ioanians): *Elisha* (Aeolians: Hellas/Elis/Alishiya -mainland Greeks) *Tarshish* (Etruscans: Tarsus, Cilicia/Corsica/Tartessus/Troas; Teresh/Tyrrhenians -Tuscans, east Italy) *Kittim* (Achaeans: Cyprus+aegean islands -Macedonians) *Dodanim* (Dorians: Dardanians, Dodana/Denyen/Dodecanese islands+Rhodes; Italics/Latins=Rome - Italians)
@@WanaxTV Or the Hittites were actually referring to their neighboring Canaanite brother tribe of Hivites
@@WanaxTVMaybe this will give you some answers. “Danaus,19 who came from Egypt.” (Plin. Nat. 7.57) “The Peloponnesus, which was formerly called Apia1 and Pelasgia…” (Plin.IV.5)
Pellasgian origin had the peoples of the sea who attacked in the middle east.
You need a better microphone bro
Don’t forget to list the sources that claim that the Pelasgians were also just another Hellenic tribe as well! 🇬🇷 👇🏻 ".. These people had previously lived on the mountains in unwalled villages and scattered groups; but when *THE PELASGIANS, with whom some OTHER GREEKS HAD UNITED* assisted them in the war against their neighbors .." -Dionysius of Halicarnassus [Roman Antiquities 1.9.2] «.. οἳ τὸ μὲν πρότερον ἐπὶ τοῖς ὄρεσιν ᾤκουν ἄνευ τειχῶν κωμηδὸν καὶ σποράδες, ἐπεὶ *δὲ Πελασγοί τε καὶ τῶν ἄλλων Ἑλλήνων τινὲς ἀναμιχθέντες* αὐτοῖς συνήραντο τοῦ πρὸς τοὺς ὁμοτέρμονας πολέμουi ..» -Διονύσιος Ἁλικαρνασσεύς [Ῥωμαϊκὴ Ἀρχαιολογία 1.9.2] ".. but I believe it was chiefly *on account of their kinship; for THE PELASGIANS, too, WERE A GREEK NATION* originally from the Peloponnesus .." -Dionysius of Halicarnassus [Roman Antiquities 1.17.2] «.. *πείθομαι κατὰ τὸ συγγενὲς μάλιστα. ἦν γὰρ δὴ καὶ τὸ τῶν Πελασγῶν γένος Ἑλληνικὸν* ἐκ Πελοποννήσου τὸ ἀρχαῖον ..» -Διονύσιος Ἁλικαρνασσεύς [Ῥωμαϊκὴ Ἀρχαιολογία 1.17.2] ".. *The acropolis of the ARGIVES is said to have been founded by DANAUS,* who is reputed to have surpassed so much those who reigned in this region before him that, *according to Euripides, 'THROUGHOUT GREECE he laid down a law that all people hitherto NAMED PELASGIANS should be called DANAANS'* .." -Strabo [Geography 8.6.9] «.. τὴν δὲ ἀκρόπολιν τῶν Ἀργείων οἰκίσαι λέγεται Δαναός, ὃς τοσοῦτον τοὺς πρὸ αὐτοῦ δυναστεύοντας ἐν τοῖς τόποις ὑπερβαλέσθαι δοκεῖ ὥστε *κατ᾽ Εὐριπίδην 'Πελασγιώτας ὠνομασμένους τὸ πρὶν Δαναοὺς καλεῖσθαι νόμον ἔθηκ᾽ ἀν᾽ Ἑλλάδα'* ..» -Στράβων [Γεωγραφικά 8.6.9] ".. And I think that it was the fame of this city [Argos] that prepared the way, not only for the *PELASGIANS* and the *DANAANS,* as well as the *ARGIVES,* to be named after it, but *also for THE REST OF THE GREEKS* .." -Strabo [Geography 8.6.9] «.. οἶμαι δ᾽ ὅτι καὶ *Πελασγιώτας* καὶ Δαναούς, ὥσπερ καὶ *Ἀργείους,* ἡ δόξα τῆς πόλεως ταύτης ἀπ᾽ αὐτῆς *καὶ τοὺς ἄλλους Ἕλληνας* καλεῖσθαι παρεσκεύασεν: ..» -Στράβων [Γεωγραφικά 8.6.9] ------------ We need ALL THE CONTEXT !!!! 👍🏻
Pelasgians is the name of Greeks before the Ancient Dark Ages (11th-9th BCE). They are the protoGreeks.....together with Minoans and Cycladic.
No, because Pelasgians had different language ethics and propably origin than Greeks. Although it seems that they aren' t more ancient and actually co existed with Greeks, who from a small tribe living mainly close to Pindus mountains range became very populus and repelled Pelasgians to Italy.
i'm iberian i got minoan genes mycenean , cabooommm= Armenians
@@user-lz6es6eb4dΕμείς είμαστε οι απόγονοι των Πελασγών και κανένας άλλος
Pelasgians 🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱
Tribe of Dan
Alexnader the great was from Tribe of Dan
Mar 8 , 1023
It is the name of a Greek tribe, the Pelasgians
Absolutely NO!
Pelasgians is derived from the Greek word Pelagos meaning ocean, so Pelasgians is Ocean dwellers.
There is no word for Pelasgian in Greek. All you said is the translation of Pelasgian from Albanian Pellasg which means people of the sea.
Greek nationalism is a threat to stability of the Balkans.
@@southepirote7676 But thats the word the later Greeks used to call the aboriginal inhabitants of the AEGEAN, Pelasgian is therefore an ancient Greek word.
@@JapanMonAmourTheJapanHouse Pelasgians are proto Albanians and were considered as barbaric by Greeks
@@southepirote7676 no academic agrees with your silly claims ;)
Why no wan mention that the pelasgian language it is still spoken today be the Albanian people.
I don't know who the Pelasgians were but one thing is certain. Ancient Greeks being the only people in this whole area who wrote down such an extensive history about everything possible, has became the reason fro any nationalistic modern group from the fck Balkans to make all sorts of theories....I meanxthat was not why thry wrote things down. Sad
We know that you don't know, faceless bot, so why comment?🤷♂️Leave it to the ones who DO know. Let me educate you👉
🤺☦🇷🇺I will tell you exactly who they were, and who exactly comprise the Greek race (Ion), and solve you the whole mystery: The Caslukhites and Caphtorites, who are the so called "minoans" and "sea people", were distinct Egyptian races from which came the Philistines (Peleset/Pelasgians), who carried haplogroup E3b-v13, and are none other than the Illyrians - today mostly Albanians. And this is the correct description of the family of Greeks: *YAVAN* (Greeks/Ioanians): *Elisha* (Aeolians: Hellas/Elis/Alishiya -mainland Greeks) *Tarshish* (Etruscans: Tarsus, Cilicia/Corsica/Tartessus/Troas; Teresh/Tyrrhenians -Tuscans, east Italy) *Kittim* (Achaeans: Cyprus+aegean islands -Macedonians) *Dodanim* (Dorians: Dardanians, Dodana/Denyen/Dodecanese islands+Rhodes; Italics/Latins=Rome - Italians)
@@EasternOrthodox101 Being called a faceless bot by a nonsensical conspiracy theorists is a new level of the fckup situation we live today. No pal you don't know, you have absolutely 0 knowledge of this issue of any other issue in general! Lol
@@EasternOrthodox101 DNA tests proves that Cretans of the Bronze age have a 85% genetic similarity with the Acheans of the same time. Please do your research and you 'll find this out.
Could these palasgians have been the original sea people's ?
caucasian
Any relation to the Philistines? The Philistines are said to have an Aegean origin.
Name is the only things that is similar
"Herodotus argues near the very beginning of his work that MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO LATER BECAME HELLENES WERE PELASGIANS, and that these Pelasgians were barbarians and spoke a barbarian language. From these Pelasgians Herodotus DERIVES THE DESCENT OF THE IONIANS, as well as that OF ALL THE GREEKS of the present day who are not Dorians (1.56.3-58) [...]" Georges, Pericles (1994). Barbarian Asia and the Greek Experience: From the Archaic Period to the Age of Xenophon. Baltimore and London: The Johns Hopkins University Press, p. 131
Good point. He did derive all those tribes (except Dorians) from the Pelasgians. Of course, Achaeans are a bit tricky.
🤺☦🇷🇺If he did, he was wrong. I will tell you exactly who they were, and who exactly comprise the Greek race (Ion), and solve you the whole mystery: The Caslukhites and Caphtorites, who are the so called "minoans" and "sea people", were distinct Egyptian races from which came the Philistines (Peleset/Pelasgians), who carried haplogroup E3b-v13, and are none other than the Illyrians - today mostly Albanians. And this is the correct description of the family of Greeks: *YAVAN* (Greeks/Ioanians): *Elisha* (Aeolians: Hellas/Elis/Alishiya -mainland Greeks) *Tarshish* (Etruscans: Tarsus, Cilicia/Corsica/Tartessus/Troas; Teresh/Tyrrhenians -Tuscans, east Italy) *Kittim* (Achaeans: Cyprus+aegean islands -Macedonians) *Dodanim* (Dorians: Dardanians, Dodana/Denyen/Dodecanese islands+Rhodes; Italics/Latins=Rome - Italians)
@@EasternOrthodox101 😂 no sources ?
Pelasgians were the pre-Greek inhabitants of the Aegean basin. Essentially an aboriginal folk of the Aegean basin they inhabited Greece , the islands of the Aegean basin and the coastal regions of Asia Minor. Pelasgians were later absorbed by the proto-Greek Dorians giving rise to the Archaic Greeks. Remnants of the Pelasgian language is found in Greek words with 'nth', 'th' 'ss' and 'tt' string sounds. So Greek words like Athens, Knossos, Tyrinthos, Thessaloniki, Thessaly, Amarynthos, Thira, Thiva etc etc etc are all Greek words of Pelasgian origin.
Original Text: __ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ ΕΓΚΥΚΛΟΠΑΙΔΕΙΑ __ ΠΕΛΛΑΖΓΕΣ - ΟΙ ΠΑΠΠΟΥΣ ΤΩΝ ΑΛΒΑΝΩΝ «Επομένως, οι παππούδες και οι γιαγιάδες των σημερινών Αλβανών, δηλαδή οι Πελασγοί, έζησαν από τα προϊστορικά χρόνια στο μεγαλύτερο μέρος του τότε γνωστού κόσμου, αναπτύσσοντας έναν πολύ σημαντικό πολιτισμό και χτίζοντας διάφορες κατασκευές εξαιρετικής αξίας. Πηγή: Η Μεγάλη Ελληνική Εγκυκλοπαίδεια, Τόμ. 19, σελ. 873 __GREEK ENCYCLOPEDIA_________ 'Therefore, the ancestors of today's Albanians, i.e. the Pelasgians, lived from prehistoric times in most of the then known world, developing a very important culture and building various structures of extraordinary value.' Source: The Great Greek Encyclopedia Vol. 19, Pg. 873
@@southepirote7676 fake source found in facebook lol
i'm 50 thracian and micenean dna is on me
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@@ylliriaalbania326 do you know wqho were illiryans ? THRACIAN = HITTITES TEST YOUR DNA BOY
linguistic features show that pelasgians could have been indo-european speakers. possibly even Anatolian speakers
No, they weren't and no it doesn't
🤺☦🇷🇺I will tell you exactly who they were, and who exactly comprise the Greek race (Ion), and solve you the whole mystery: The Caslukhites and Caphtorites, who are the so called "minoans" and "sea people", were distinct Egyptian races from which came the Philistines (Peleset/Pelasgians), who carried haplogroup E3b-v13, and are none other than the Illyrians - today mostly Albanians. And this is the correct description of the family of Greeks: *YAVAN* (Greeks/Ioanians): *Elisha* (Aeolians: Hellas/Elis/Alishiya -mainland Greeks) *Tarshish* (Etruscans: Tarsus, Cilicia/Corsica/Tartessus/Troas; Teresh/Tyrrhenians -Tuscans, east Italy) *Kittim* (Achaeans: Cyprus+aegean islands -Macedonians) *Dodanim* (Dorians: Dardanians, Dodana/Denyen/Dodecanese islands+Rhodes; Italics/Latins=Rome - Italians)
It is natural that after 5000 years there is a certain grade of confusion among non-scholars and open questions among scholars about the then and today of an ethnotic composition of a land. It certainly is not a tree and for each person of today, it is a reversed tree that receives from the genetic pool of the then, as for the whole population it is a mesh. Modern Greeks are the above mentioned tribes, either way mutated by time itself and only, but actually sharing with the genetic pools of modern Albanians, Slavs, Turks etc. Take modern Israel, for example. Do these people not look like Europeans? Time passes and nations change but there is always something distinctive, reflecting their past. Peace.
No, only part are, which is because they are mixed
Strabo was said that thracians too lived in mainlland Greece Thessaly and Attica. I never knew they were part of the pre-Greek nations. (Strabo 7.7.1)
They were not... if you're careful about how you use the word "Greek", then you'll realize it's all manipulative. It's like your neighbor befriending the city councilor to insert his won name in your property's ownership documents with the city. That's how Greece became Greece, from a simple colony in the Peloponnese.
Even today the Aegean and Ionian are called "pelagos", meaning "sunken land". The Pelasgoi were "The People from the Sunken Land"
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Historians: So are you greek,non greek,or proto greek? Pelasgians: Yes.
Yes they were absolutely Greek. Homor confirms they were Greek and many ancient authors also say that the Pelasgians were considered Greek too in ancient times. The Myceneans were a Doric tribe started by Hercules. The ionians came before the Dorics and were also Greek and before them the Pelasgians who were also Greek.
In modern scholarly: Mycenaeans usually refer to all Greeks of the Mycenaean Greece. In ancient times: Mycenaeans only referred to the inhabitants of the city of Mycenae. In both cases, Mycenaeans were Achaean, not Dorian.
@@WanaxTV I disagree, even in Homer they are mentioned as Dorians who had already taken over parts of Crete. Dorians started off as The Heracleidae, descendants of Hercules. I would also argue that When Herodotus is pondering from where the Greeks got the Greek Alphabet from. He assumes he adopted it from the phonecians because before that Greeks were writing in pictures. Who do we know wrote in pictures? The Minoans and Pelasgians of course. So these groups were always considered Greek by the ancient Greeks themselves. Many more ancient writers insisted they were Greek rather than debated against it. And most of the writers who questioned whether they were actually Greek or not came much later. According to the mythology everything started off as Pelasgians (I am summarising of course), followers of the old religion. The Titanomachy happened and there was a change in religion when zeus and his siblings took power. Then came the Decauleon flood because Zeus was enraged that people were still practicing the old religion of human sacrifice and cannibalism which was done under the rule of Cronos who had eaten his children. After the flood whoever's was left formed small groups and clans but they still considered themselves the same people from before the flood. The vast majority of the Greek tribes had adopted zeus and the pantheon. However the Pelasgians still held on to old practices that excluded human sacrifice and cannibalism because that had been completely forbidden by that time. This is why they are seen the same but different. At least that is how I understand it.
@@funkyfiss But the Achaeans are older than the Heracleidae. Heracles himself was an Achaean, not Dorian.
@@WanaxTV Yes you are correct. Hercules was an Achaean. But his descendants created the Dorian tribe. The Acheans are older, the Ionians older still, the Pelasgians are the oldest of all.
Which hearucules are you referring too
As for Herodotus, he speaks about DIALECTS not languages. Achaean, Doric, Pelasgian, Ionian, Aeolian were all dialects of the Hellenic language. Furthermore before the classical era, there were 14 different but VERY similar Greek alphabets. 14!!! One of them, the alphabet of Chalkida, became later famous as “latin alphabet” because it was adopted by the latins
Facts. 👌
Cretan dialect Minoans Minyes etc
The mother language of Europe is Albanian bc only Albanian language can be used to described perfectly the meaning of Greek gods n goddesses n even u can understand the meaning of some ancient Egyptian gods. The indo-European language is a bs made to hide the fact that Albanian language is unique in its own ways bc it is rare for a language to keep their roots intact. I have learned both Ancient Greek n Latin never have I found connection to Albanian language.
@Elma bull crap by illiterate ignorant uneducated unhistorical thickness as a brick headed shepherds. A mainly only spoken lang wit double consonants at the begining of words that adopted the aeolian Chalkidic alphabet while the first written albanian dictionary ordered by the French ( exhibit by the the French nowadays) written in Greek by a greek. No monuments no signs no words in any other lang rather than adopting words from greek Turkish ( arabic) latin slav out of poverty as primary functioning in a poor established small community. Books to read is not enough. As the only book you may read is simplified with pictures in it. The only way to get to a university believing the above mentioned is by acting as janitor
@@elma4574 you are mistaken in half the things you say
Pelasgians was the acestora of Dacians , the Dacians was the ancestors of the Romanians now the România.
They would be the minoans
I have to start by saying that it is very bold of you to make a video about the Pelasgians. Wannabe autochthonous jerks will make an assault vomiting all kinds of f*ed up theories. If we want to be serious about the matter we have to admit that there are very few to none certainties about the Pelasgians. In my opinion they were not speakers of an Indo-European language and their language was possibly related to the language of the Minoans. I say this because of the similarities of the place names with -ssos, -nthos, etc that can be found in places that Pelasgians lived and Crete. But... I might be wrong and the best thing we can do is to wait for new evidence
Hi ΡΙΘΥΜΝΑ, thanks for the feedback. I agree with your assessment. Based on the research I've done for my videos on the Neolithic Greece, I'd suppose that Pelasgians came from that same Neolithic population of Thessaly, Lerna in Argolis, etc. Minoans also very likely came from the Neolithic population of Knossos and the rest of Crete. Were the two Neolithic populations related? I can't say, but if I had to, I'd lean towards not super closely related.
I don't even think they were related to each other in any way
🤺☦🇷🇺I will give you that, and tell you exactly who they were, and who exactly comprise the Greek race (Ion), and solve you the whole mystery: The Caslukhites and Caphtorites, who are the so called "minoans" and "sea people", were distinct Egyptian races from which came the Philistines (Peleset/Pelasgians), who carried haplogroup E3b-v13, and are none other than the Illyrians - today mostly Albanians. And this is the correct description of the family of Greeks: *YAVAN* (Greeks/Ioanians): *Elisha* (Aeolians: Hellas/Elis/Alishiya -mainland Greeks) *Tarshish* (Etruscans: Tarsus, Cilicia/Corsica/Tartessus/Troas; Teresh/Tyrrhenians -Tuscans, east Italy) *Kittim* (Achaeans: Cyprus+aegean islands -Macedonians) *Dodanim* (Dorians: Dardanians, Dodana/Denyen/Dodecanese islands+Rhodes; Italics/Latins=Rome - Italians)
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I thought ionians were on the east side of the Mediterranean Sea under persians? I didn't know they were part of Hellenic culture, so Xeroxes burned Aten because greeks burnt ionia a greek city?. This doesn't make scenes. Xeroxes burnt Aten to take revenge because Greeks burnt ionia a persian city.
go back to school or read some books you surely need it !!!!
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I am pelasgus from the star 🌟 sirius son of eagle 🦅 ( son of Zeus )
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Possibly the Pelasgians were of a different culture and ethnicity like the Hittites compared to more modern Isaurians and Cappadocians. Later mixed with early Hellene conquerors like the Achaeans, Ionians, Aeolians in their most archaic form. Nice Video!
Thank you. This video was long overdue!
Attend a university course and written documented ancient sourses will produce the answers
Yes, the Hittites were (originally) a distinct Canaanite race, and Pelasgians an Egyptian one. I will tell you exactly who they were, and who exactly comprise the Greek race (Ion), and solve you the whole mystery: The Caslukhites and Caphtorites, who are the so called "minoans" and "sea people", were distinct Egyptian races from which came the Philistines (Peleset/Pelasgians), who carried haplogroup E3b-v13, and are none other than the Illyrians - today mostly Albanians. And this is the correct description of the family of Greeks: *YAVAN* (Greeks/Ioanians): *Elisha* (Aeolians: Hellas/Elis/Alishiya -mainland Greeks) *Tarshish* (Etruscans: Tarsus, Cilicia/Corsica/Tartessus/Troas; Teresh/Tyrrhenians -Tuscans, east Italy) *Kittim* (Achaeans: Cyprus+aegean islands -Macedonians) *Dodanim* (Dorians: Dardanians, Dodana/Denyen/Dodecanese islands+Rhodes; Italics/Latins=Rome - Italians)
Rhapsody b iliad that makes your possibly impossible
hittites were cannanites from caucasus
If I talk this way everybody will think I'm clever
Good morning to everyone. You who are now reading my comment, isn't it strange that while this channel talks about Greece, it doesn't have subtitles in Greek? The same phenomenon in the Louvre museum!! More than half of the exhibits are from Greece (stolen of course) and the entrance to the museum has the phrase "welcome" in all languages except Greek. I as a Greek feel sorry for their low level of emotional intelligence which results in this uncivilized behavior.
Τhere were also the Karas and the Dravidians in a period somewhere around 10 BC,Also, the prelunar arcades existed before the moon orbited the earth's ethereal envelope.
The maybe Greeks.
🤺☦🇷🇺No. I will tell you exactly who they were, and who exactly comprise the Greek race (Ion), and solve you the whole mystery: The Caslukhites and Caphtorites, who are the so called "minoans" and "sea people", were distinct Egyptian races from which came the Philistines (Peleset/Pelasgians), who carried haplogroup E3b-v13, and are none other than the Illyrians - today mostly Albanians. And this is the correct description of the family of Greeks: *YAVAN* (Greeks/Ioanians): *Elisha* (Aeolians: Hellas/Elis/Alishiya -mainland Greeks) *Tarshish* (Etruscans: Tarsus, Cilicia/Corsica/Tartessus/Troas; Teresh/Tyrrhenians -Tuscans, east Italy) *Kittim* (Achaeans: Cyprus+aegean islands -Macedonians) *Dodanim* (Dorians: Dardanians, Dodana/Denyen/Dodecanese islands+Rhodes; Italics/Latins=Rome - Italians)
@@EasternOrthodox101Cringe pseudo history
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Pelasgians, Minoans, Cycladians: proto Greeks , Europe's first major civilization
The Greeks and the Latins considered the Etruscans as barbaroi because they were too sophisticated ,too luxurious, their females were fickfree ( a horror for the indoeuropeans)
they also good at losing wars against the greeks and the romans
@@ezzovonachalm9815 name them
The Bronze Age Anatolia individual: "This individual wasancestral for the major subclade3 P58 (J1a2b; previously designated3 J1e) and could thus bedesignated as J1a(xJ1a2b)." "I0070 (Minoan from Lasithi)This individual was derived for mutation M319:15467785T->A (J2a1d) as well as upstream mutationsL26:22942897T->C (J2a1) and M410:2751678A->G, L212:22711465T->C (J2a). He was not foundto be ancestral for any downstream mutations and could be designated as J2a1d. Haplogroup M319was found4 at a frequency of 8.8% in one sample set of 193 present-day Cretans (95% confidenceinterval from the binomial distribution 5.2-13.7%) and 5.4% in another set5 of 168 Cretans (95% C.I.:2.5-10%), but no examples were found in a combined sample set of 171 Greeks from three locationsnear early Neolithic settlements in mainland Greece (95% C.I: 0-2.1%). A re-analysis4 of large set of523 present-day Anatolian males6 revealed only 2 examples of M319 in this population (95% C.I.: 0-1.4%). Thus, it appears plausible that this represents a Y-chromosome lineage that existed in MinoanCrete but was at a lower (or absent) frequency in neighboring mainland Greece and Anatolia and itsoccurrence in present-day Cretans represents continuity with those of the Bronze Age." "I0073 (Minoan from Lasithi)This individual was derived for mutation L26:22942897T->C (J2a1) as well as upstream mutationsM410, L559, L152 (J2a). He was ancestral for several downstream haplogroups: M322:15469740C->A (J2a1a), L560:21899860C->T (J2a1b1a), M166:21764694C->T (J2a1b2), M68:21878700A->G(J2a1c), M339:2881367T->G (J2a1e), L24:14286528G->A (J2a1h), L88.2:17595842T->C andL198:17595861A->C (J2a1i). He could thus be designated as J2a1(xJ2a1a, J2a1b1a, J2a1b2, J2a1c,J2a1e, J2a1h, J2a1i)." "I9130 (Minoan from Moni Odigitria)This individual was derived for mutations CTS946:7100848A->G (G2a2b2a) and upstream mutationsF3088:20813445G->A and M3397:21605685G->C (G2a). He was ancestral for downstreammutations CTS4803:15833180G->A (G2a2b2a1b1a2a) and Z3423:19251438G->T (G2a2b2a1c1a).He could thus be designated as G2a2b2a(xG2a2b2a1b1a2a, G2a2b2a1c1a). G2a2 Y-chromosomeswere common in Neolithic Europe7, western Anatolia8,9, and Neolithic mainland Greece9. We havealso re-analyzed data from a recent study of central Anatolian Neolithic genomes10, determining thatthey were present there during both the Aceramic phase at Boncuklu (2 G2a2b2b samples) and later atTepecik-Çiftlik (1 G2a2a sample). Plausibly, the Minoan from Moni Odigitria who belonged to thislineage was also related to the same group of early Neolithic farmers as those from Europe, mainlandGreece, and Anatolia." "I9041 (Mycenaean from Galatas Apatheia in the Peloponnese)This individual was derived for mutations L26:22942897T->C and F4326:23021978A->G (J2a1) aswell as upstream mutations M410:2751678A->G, L559:21674327A->G, L152:22243566C->T,L212:22711465T->C (J2a). He was ancestral for M322:15469740C->A (J2a1a), M260:15025506G->A and M92:21904023T->C (J2a1b1), M166:21764694C->T (J2a1b2), L210:16492197A->T(J2a1b3), M68:21878700A->G (J2a1c), M339:2881367T->G (J2a1e), P81:6739856G->A (J2a1g),L207.1:6753448A->G and L24:14286528G->A (J2a1h), L88.2:17595842T->C andL198:17595861A->C (J2a1i). He could thus be designated as J2a1x(J2a1a, J2a1b1, J2a1b2, J2a1c,J2a1e, J2a1g, J2a1h, J2a1i)." "More sampling of ancient populations is needed to establish the presence (and frequency) ofhaplogroup J in the Aegean and neighboring regions). However, (i) the great time depth of itspresence in the Caucasus/Iran, together with (ii) its low frequency/absence in NeolithicGreece/Anatolia, and (iii) its appearance in the samples of our study, lead us to believe that it mayhave accompanied the genetic admixture (Neolithic Iran/Caucasus-hunter-gatherer related) that seemsto have affected all populations in our study (Supplementary Information, section 2). Thus, the Ychromosometurnover that occurred in central Europe during the Bronze Age7,19 may also haveoccurred in the Aegean, with a different set of incoming lineages."
Pelasgians are from Peleg, son of Eber...
of greece and illyria..
Good insight but you are ignoring the direct decedents of Pelasgians, the Illyrian or todays Albanians. Moreover, everything seems to make sense until the last ancient historian which seems to contradict all the previous historians. Clearly, he is trying to establish Helenians/Greeks as the other out of autochthonous people of the whole region including Pelasgians, who were not Greek, although a good number of their tribes assimilated into their culture!
Except that Albanians are not related to Pelasgians at all. First time in history anyone mentioned existence of Albanian language is 13th century AD. 0% connection to Helladic Greece. You are much more related to Slavs.
@@diomedesii9846 The dominant ydna of slavs is I2a and R1a those are not dominant to Albanians
@@diomedesii9846 the dominant ydna to Albanians are EV13 J2b2 L283 and R1b
@@vigisisisi Albanians, just like Slavs, have more of I1b than Greeks. Also, just like Slavs, Albanians have less E3b than Greeks. It suggests than Albanians are much more mixed with Slavs than the Hellenic groups. Not to mention to first even mention of Albanian language appears in history centuries AFTER Slavs arrived. So no, there is 0% connection between Albanians and any Greek, proto-Greek, or pre-Greek group. Middle Helladic = 2000 BC Albanians language = 1200 AD
@@diomedesii9846 mixture yes but by father lineage around 75% to 80% are Native balkan origin especially Illyrian 10% to 15% slavic 5% to 7.50% germanic and 2.50% to 5% otherb
Personally, I suspect that the name of the Pelasgians is probably derived from the Greek world pelagos meaning "the sea." This would simply be a general term for all regional (Aegean) maritime peoples regardless of language or ethnicity. They would also essentially be the "Sea Peoples" who, centuries before, fell upon Egypt ("...made a conspiracy in their islands ...") although the actual term was coined by Emmanuel de Rougé (“peuples de la mer,”) in a publication dating to 1867. The Egyptians listed one of these peoples as actually being called Pulisati or Peleset who would later become the Philistines or Palestinians.
Another example would be the Latins and Etruscans - both were similar genetically but differed culturally and linguistically
Etruscans and Greeks(Pelasgians) had many commons in civilisation. But Latin civilisation, centures later, was at first a copy of the Greek one!
Etruscans and Latins had no commons at all. But Etruscans had commons with Greeks.