The Number of Sexless Men Has Tripled in 10 Years
2022 ж. 30 Мам.
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Chris and Zack Telander break down some scary statistics about the lack of sex that men aged 18-30 are having. Is Tinder to blame for less sex among young men? Is hypergamy the explanation? What can be done about the asymmetry in the sexual marketplace?
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Does the use of a man's height (the taller the more hits) to determine dateability have to do with the corrolation (assumed or not) to penis size perhaps? 🤔
@Hshs Bshs I was making the comment from a falacy that I've heard, which quite a few women that I have spoken to seem to share that the taller you are, the more likely all of your proportions are to be. Stupid assumption, I know, but I haven't gone out of my way to check if this is true of guys who are taller than I am so... 😄
The male to female sex ratios in the UK is 1.05 male to every 1 female. That's in the age category of 15 to 44. Now there are approximately 27 million ppl in that age category. So that means that there are approximately 675,000 EXCESS males the UK that age category of 15-44. Not even SINGLE men but EXCESS men. What will its effects be?
What do u think? With figures like this is it any wounder that females report feeling harassed in society and feeling unsafe. From the sad random/stranger murder of sabrina Nessa, aslingh Murphy, Sarah everhard. To drinks spiking, to ME TOO To Rise in London record teenage murders to rise in riots to political extreme movements. The EXPLOSION OF ONLY FANS. Could this be related? The standing British army is approximately 83,000 And we have approximately 675,000 EXCESS MEN. That could mean that 5% of men in this category could possibly never find a long-term monogamous relationship. 🤔
not having sex isnt the definition of an incel doofus.
My success rate increased drastically when i switched from Tinder to Grindr.
😂
That sounds like a real pain in the ass though...
I heard the people on Grindr suck.
🤣
Stunning and brave
If you wanted to set up a social experiment to highlight some of the worst traits in human nature, Tinder would be the ideal starting point.
Any social media platform accomplishes that
@@MrOdaddy2011 nowadays this shit became an anti-social media, to be honest.
I saw a guy on youtube set up a fake tinder acct...and wrote he was charged with child molestation but he posted a Italian model as him...he actually had hot babes contact him and didnt really care about the molestation.....crazy
Just play a match of League of Legends. Lots of degen behaviour there
@@dojocho1894 Jeeeezzzz I wish I hadn't read this.
Honestly I rather be sexless than use one of this apps. I find them degrading.
its fun if you dont take it too seriously. think of it as cosplaying or acting. pretend to be a shallow narcissist. go to a photographer in your best tailored suit and have some nice pics taken. take pictures of yourself shirtless in the bathroom with overhead lighting so it looks like you have abs. take some side profiles showing off your ass. you will match with a lot of sl*ts but you might just meet someone relaxed and down to earth who doesnt take themselves too seriously either. and the sl*ts will unmatch you very quickly when they find out you have anything resembling selfrespect or a personality so you dont have to worry about weeding them out, theyll do it for you.
I got married before tinder blew up. So glad I never had to deal with this. The current dating world sounds awful. It was never a joy, but this is way worse.
It's really bad out there
I said the same thing when i got married in Jan this year. Got divorced 5 months later because she was a strong, modern woman that didnt need a man >.> anyways im on the dating apps now and i feel like necking myself, im not even ugly and earn 6 figures but the Tinder has destroyed the standard for women
It's gonna get even worse.
@@claudioquevedo5257I hear men say this often What about women’s standards do you find difficult to meet or are unrealistic in your view? Asking genuinely..
The last girl who told me "online dating sucks" said that she still goes out on plenty of dates and hooks up all the time. I was like "and that's 'bad' to you? I can't even get 3/4ths of the people I message to reply even once... let alone go on a date... and you're going all the way nearly every date and that's *bad*?" It's such a different world for men and women when it comes to online dating.
Technically in a woman’s standard that is bad. She’s in denial that she’ll probably have to settle or be single her whole life.
@@matthewtaal6349 Yeah I totally understand how it seems pointless if all a woman gets is a hook up but no long term commitment. For me, it was her shock at the fact that it's so drastically different for guys. She couldn't fathom the difficulty most guys have even having a conversation with someone online, let alone it leading to a date. I should've been clearer on that.
Well it’s bad cause she is suffering from low self esteem and mental illness but can’t figure out why having bad sex with random losers isn’t solving her problems for her.
It really is o_O
@@orneryoverwatch7031 this is one of the real problems. Women don't understand that men will still have sex with women whom they have no actual romantic interest in. So they will hook some Chad one night when he is having an off day and then they will think that it means that they are a Stacy worthy of that Chad then refuse to settle into a real partnership with anything below that high watermark. This leads them to hold off and be noncommittal with men who are at their level, all the while the clock is ticking, next thing you know they hit the wall and spend the rest of their life sobbing into their lean cuisine and patting their 7 cats while tweeting about how amazing their life is and how they don't need no man. Or worse they get desperate and hook a man close to their level and then secretly resent him because they feel like they could have done better and it festers beneath the surface and turns the relationship toxic. I guess what I am saying is that technology has inverted the evolutionary utility of hypergamy.
I’m so happy that I stoped trying. The constant rejection and stress of dating was making my mental health take a nose dive. I’m in a much better place now that I’ve stopped stressing about finding a girlfriend.
How's your motivation doing?
Once you get enough money and a good balance of time to spare you're almost as free as humanly possible. Factor in you don't have a spiteful woman hen pecking you and the sky is the limit. What most ladies fail to understand is that most men don't want a co pilot in their life, they want a stewardess, he can fly and fix the plane himself.
1 month on these sites and I started to hate both myself and women. I can't imagine the long-term repercussions of this being SOP for an entire generation.
@Lord Hentai I think you will care too when it actually gets to that point, and then it will be too late
@@MrMadalien society doesn't care that our life is crumbling to the ground, so why should we care if society crumbles to the ground?
In my twenties when I was dating, I went on a few tinder dates and was always sorely disappointed every single time, compatibility was just not the same in person than online. I met my husband first in person at friends house, we found out we were both on tinder- we wanted each others numbers but it was awkward asking for it in front of all our friends, so we had to sit across the room from each other looking for each other on tinder- i had to completely change my settings to find him, and when I saw his profile I would have NEVER swiped right EVER based on his profile (which was him being ironic and with his hilarious sense of humor- but seeing it at face value without knowing him I would have let my husband pass by without thinking). Tinder is not normal interaction, its not normal attraction, its doesn't indicate chemistry or values.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. Most guys I’m attracted to in real life I wouldn’t have added them online 🙂
Why would that be awkward to ask for a number??!?! What?! Bc of friends??? I don’t get it.
You both found out you were on tinder, so went in a corner of the house during the get-together with your mutual friend, only to search for one another to match? So bizarre..
@@alyciamarie4163 Some people are shy I guess...or some people want to do the initial dating in private without an entire circle of friends input.
This seems so alien, ignorant and awkward. Im happy I knew simpler times.
I have noticed that if a typically unattractive man brings up this topic, they are usually mocked, ridiculed and their manhood is put under question. Its a gross double standard.
I deleted Tinder, and have never felt better. I recommend all men do the same. Stop feeding the female ego
I've been doing this for my whole life. Never got on tinder. Never will.
Tinder is the worst. I'm not bad looking and in 2015 I got nothing on there,cant even imagine how hard it is now.
100%.
Never used it. Not missing out.
Tinder isn’t feeding the female ego. The way you chose to interact with women feed the female ego and turning the app off didn’t change your inability to interact with them correctly. If you don’t like it sure but don’t use your failed reference experience to speak for an entire app.
Oh it’s so sad. It was so much more fun in the 50’s, 60’s, 70’s. You went to a dance or a disco; you saw someone in a pub; you met someone when you started a new job (or in an old job); you bumped into someone on the bus/tube/train, your brother brought his friends home; you went to a party, etc., etc.
I wanna know who made the decision for local dances to stop and people just go to "the Club". In old movies and shows I saw "socials" alot where kids would dress their best and go to a chaperoned party or dance where a certian level of decorum was expected
When people are out and about, they have earbuds shoved in their ears and stare at the phone.
These days, women make men jump through multiple hoops just for the privilege of taking her out to dinner- which she then puts in a doggy bag and brings to the thug she’s screwing for free while the men who take her out get nothing. And even if one of these good men end up married, most wives are still giving the sex to everyone except the man who married her, and she has the option to divorce and leave him penniless whenever she feels like it, making modern marriage a scam and a bad joke. Remember that next time someone asks, “wHeRe HaVe AlL tHe GoOd MeN gOnE???” Can imagine Al Bundy answering: “Away from you!”
this can be done today... too... but the fault is of the man ... i can guarantee you 100% if a man on tinder even bad looking, no money, no nothing ... send as first message:... ''I think your lovely . I would love to take you dancing . Here is the place I was thinking. No strings attached . will you join me ? '' 90% of woman will say yes .... even if they do not like him ... they will say yes ...because most of them they had never been invited to a dance .... not a proper one ... problem is the messages man send are like : hi ! I can do oral sex ? when was last when you had sex .............or other abomination like this , then are surprised they do not get any replay back ....
Even in the 80's and 90's it was cool to interact with people without technology.
I went on Tinder and met a girl within the first two months. We ended up dating for a while, had a really good time together but in the end, we just weren't really long-term material. We had a really pleasant break up, no drama and happily went our own ways. So, a little while later I told a friend this and he said, "dude, do you know how lucky you were?" I said why? He said like 1 out of every 100 guys that go on tinder gets a meaningful relationship out of it, and after 2 months only. I knew he was right; I was unbelievably lucky. Since then, I have dated a bit but honestly, I realized there is so much that I have to work on for myself, childhood trauma issues and so forth, and that being single isn't such a bad thing. Horniness is a pain in the ass, but the actual act of being single really isn't bad at all. It gives you the time to work on yourself which everyone really needs.
look up attachment styles if you are working on childhood traumas!! It helped me tremendously.
I'm 24 and I've completely given up on relationships. Way for KZhead to recommend this to me.
KZhead are doing their best to hide MGTOW (Men Go Their Own Way) videos from the algorithm, but they're not called MGTOW videos anymore. You can just find the same content in videos like this.
Wooooaaa hoaaaaaa woooo hooaaaaaaaaaaa ( guess what song is that lmao)
@@MarkanVaran7 Sins of the Father, baby 💪
@@minimimimaxiboy1 my brother
The male to female sex ratios in the UK is 1.05 male to every 1 female. That's in the age category of 15 to 44. Now there are approximately 27 million ppl in that age category. So that means that there are approximately 675,000 EXCESS males the UK that age category of 15-44. Not even SINGLE men but EXCESS men. What will its effects be? With figures like this is it any wounder that females report feeling harassed in society and feeling unsafe. From the sad random/stranger murder of sabrina Nessa, aslingh Murphy, Sarah everhard. To drinks spiking, to ME TOO To Rise in London record teenage murders to rise in riots to political extreme movements. The EXPLOSION OF ONLY FANS. Could this be related? The standing British army is approximately 83,000 And we have approximately 675,000 EXCESS MEN. That could mean that 5% of men in this category could possibly never find a long-term monogamous relationship. 🤔
"Women think the dating app owes them for being on it" sums up the attitude I've encountered very well!
Same thing with life as a whole. Wahmean think they’re owed something by just existing.
As a woman NOBODY THINKS THIS wtf do y’all comes up with these ideas it’s almost like y’all guys are projecting
And it doesn't stop there. Women then feel like you owe them for just gracing you with their presence on a date. Then you owe them for continuing to be faithful. Then you owe them when they decide to cheat and divorce you. It never ends.
@@dandotvid Truth.
This is an extension of clubs letting girls in free/lower price, and for free drinks on the house for ladies night. They're now spoiled, and expect the literal whole of society to simply fund their existence at literally anyone else's expense. At least back in the traditional/ancient times, they paid this back by cooking, teaching children to _not_ be insufferable twats, staying in shape. Back then she knew if she didn't pay, he didn't pay. And they also knew that he paid more.
I'm from 99, I grew with this mentality that online dating is dangerous and should be avoided. Then it suddenly become the norm like wtf.
I know dude same.
I'm a bit older than that and dating was considered to be not just dangerous but the whole "meet someone online? in cyberspace? lol good luck. just meet real girls." I'm a "by the numbers" guy, so online dating means I don't have to waste time meeting women that have zero of the same interests. Dating used to be all about letting serendipity happen and that's where the magic is. "The world is small, you'll meet someone eventually." I see the world as a little more cause and effect now =0
It went from "You'll get murdered in another country if you do it" to "I'll smash or die, I have nothing to lose".
And proved that it was worse than the original fears. Instead of a few people getting real messed up, it destroys everyone.
@@andrewstambaugh8030 How so? If you're dating online, while no doubt an enormous proportion of initial interaction would be on looks, I presume that people are making sure that each person they interact with is connecting with them on meaningful issues, mutual interests, and similar passions and curiosities in life. If you're acting on that basis primarily, I'm sure things could go wrong, but I'd imagine many matches will end quickly anyway when you realize your intellectual curiosities don't match up enough. Just means we're wasting much less time in setting up dates that we know will go nowhere because we lack the same academic and intellectual interests.
It never stops being amusing that it's socially acceptable to call a man an incel, which is effectively shaming someone for not being attractive enough to get sexual partners. Like why would you shame someone for something they don't have any control over, yet it's somehow not okay to shame people for things like their weight, which they absolutely have control over?
@Far-Moderate Extremist Because our society says its perfectly okay to disrespect denigrate insult belittle and shame heterosexual men.
That's a great point. I'm so conditioned to hearing it I never thought of it as derogatory - but it is derogatory.
Because we have worker shortage. Hopefully the abortion thing will help too. Companies need more workers to expand
It clearly is an ableist term, which ironically, lot of social justice warriors are fighting against.
Feminists/social justice warriors are the epitome of hypocrisy and walking contradiction.
Dating apps killed dating. Right around 2008 is when the club, bar, house party vibe began to die off. By 2012, meeting online has become the primary form of mate selection.
Fucking 10 years already since the downfall of man has begun!... To be fair though, dating apps does benefit decent looking 6 foot and up white men who are making 80K plus a year etc, where as those same men good looking women would give a shot to would get 0 attention in public
Ive thought about the dying party bar scene too. Just seems like a fad . im 37 and when I was in my early 20s there was a ton of bars that had dance floors . Then maybe 8 years ago the hipster stuff takes over with tons of dive bars, craft brewery, health food etc and the hipsters typically killed traditional looking women.
The thing I am most grateful for in my life is that my wife and I started dating literally a couple months before Tinder blew up, I fortunately never had to deal with this unbelievably broken sexual marketplace. My heart breaks for all the high quality men being passed over these days, this is how civilizations die, decadence in the extreme.
The sexual marketplace is not broken. It's almost completely optimal. That is the problem.
Well said, there is a reason marriage was invented, to prevent males who could not compete in a polygamist agrarian society from taking their labor and leaving. Monogamy was dominant in hunter gathering societies when resource acquisition was low due to irregularities in nature, once agriculture showed up it turned into whoever collected the taxes became the Chad, but now that society has overcome many of the risk factors as to why men died young, we have a glut of males from the increased birth rate of males that balanced their increased risk of death. This causes polyamory, which is now known as sneaky link to many females.
@@yearofthegarden perfect explanation
@@dannyarcher6370 hookup app has massively reduced sex frequency of majority of men. choices by females are much above their own level so 10% of men hook up with 90% of the females. Riding the c*** carousel. Temporary hypergamy.
@@osmanbey8796 ..Legitimate dating sites, not Tinder, proved that 80% of women think they deserve the top 20% of men. Obviously the primary problem. Many women can get a date with the top 20% but the men won't commit to them.
I think men and women are becoming less compatible. Our value systems have diverged greatly over the past few decades.
socially but not spiritually or biologically.
Nah, it's because you are godless and look for godless people. You have no value in the first place. Most religious people meet their partners easily because they all have the same value to serve God.
Women can get all the artificial satisfaction and self esteem from friends and family through social media now. So many marriages end in divorce quickly after the marriage because the woman only wanted that special day for attention rather than actually loving the guy and wanting to have kids and be a wife.
This is one reason muslim women wear hijab. Muslim ppl believe it is protection for society/woman. As they cover their beauty it makes it more important for them to develop their personality, morals and intellect, to be defined by. This makes them plesent to talk to and hold real conversations around shared values, beliefs and long-term life goals that are also deep and transcend. It prevents ppl getting a superiority complex based on superficial trates, arrogance. Keeps ppl down to earth, modesty. It trys to prevent the "commercialisation/weaponising" of beauty. Helps to prevent insecurities trying to maintain unrealistic and unsustainable beauty standards, that are forever changing and expensive to uphold. This can cause mental issues in people and the sense of constant judgement from people that don't know or care about your long-term good. Peace x
Using Tinder to meet women is the equivalent of eating out of a neighbours bin when you’re hungry.
Me, a 6'2", a 6-7/10 guy on a dating app: 5-10 matches in a year My sister, a 4-5/10 who could be a 7-8/10 but actively sabotages her own looks on a dating app: 99+ likes in the first 2 days
The truth is most men are desperate for relationships but they always have to pretend that they're not desperate. That isn't true for women.
Because reality is sexist
I’m sure many gen Y and Z guys have experienced older (50+) ladies always calling them handsome. The reason for this is that in their day, any man that wasn’t overweight and didn’t have anything obviously wrong with him was considered handsome. Ted Bundy was considered attractive in the 70s, today he’d be an incel. Its absolutely mind blowing how much easier dating was for men in the 70s, 80s and 90s.
It was easier because women had less choices and less power. Today's women are the most empowered they've ever been. My grandmothers generation of women weren't expected to work. A successful woman was one that was married by 20 and had a lot of children . Her whole life was about giving but not receiving. She had to be attractive, a good cook and homemaker and agreeable to her husbands wants and needs. A woman's life was a supporting role without much character development because in the eyes of society it just didn't matter. A lot of women lived very unhappy lives. Today thankfully things are different. Women have more choices. They are more educated, marry much later, have kids much later, and some don't have kids at all and some never will marry. This generation is the first generation of women where they are not seen as outcasts for not getting married. All this have made men's choices more limited. So when the pool gets smaller there's more competition and yes it becomes harder. On the positive side , i think relationships today are better than before for both partners.
@@SilVia-hs2kb The woman you are describing is an anomaly that occured midway through the 20th century. This anomaly was caused by the development of household appliances; washing machines, central heating, gas stoves reduced time spent running the household, and in the span of a few decades the higher class women had a few days to spare. So it made sense that women wanted to spend this time with a profession, volunteering, or a hobby. And what would have made sense even more, is that this would result in freedom of choice for women. Daycare shortages say otherwise though.
@@SilVia-hs2kb Its not better for both, just for women.
So you all the Ted Bundys out there to have a chance… tf is wrong with you
Nah it was absolutely the same. Just men then were less informed and know less about their women. Ignorance is bliss. Like their woman could go to beach and have sex with latino waiter and back home as if nothing happened. And husband may never knew this incident
Moral: don't date women who use dating apps
@@kyleconnor2759 you talking about yourself? I was in my late 20s before I even saw a cellphone. And you saying something like that to a mans face and not on KZhead, would get a wire in your mouth.
@@flammenwaffenfries3039 lol why are you getting offended, is this your first time in the internet? speaking here works a little differently
@@_hector__ His not wrong tho, the internet has made people delusional on how to act and treat other. Some people don’t realise half the stuff you say on the net can get you necked or stomped
Nice pfp
I had a couple relationships from dating apps and the only reason why they didn't work out is because the women wanted to get serious, meaning move in/ have kids etc, and I refused.. There are good women out there looking for something real on the apps, but you honestly have to be sexually attractive, have a good job and have an attractive personality as well if you want to experience love and support from attractive women... If you don't qualify for these things, which let's be honest.. 98% or more of men don't.. You need to really lower your expectations, or just cut out women from your life and find joy in whatever else you can
This clip is real talk! Most men just want a normal average lady, the issue is average women don't want them.
How does a guy introduce himself? ''Im just an average guy.'' How girls do it? '' Im not like the other girls''
Also problem with that is. U have 2 million simps calling average looking women. Queen or goddess. It's sickening
Height discrimination by women when it comes to dating makes sense to me. A significant part of feeling feminine is feeling smaller/feeling more physically vulnerable than your mate. Women aren't as picky when it comes to height when interactions are had in person rather than on an app where you can only judge by pure physical characteristics. Once you add in the personality dimension, women are less picky when it comes to looks.
So true, all my past boyfriends/loves are people I probably wouldn’t swipe right on. You meet in person and are impressed by them usually over time. But guys don’t ask girls out in person as much since tinder started. And I’d be too scared to either. And then I match with people I think I should date and never have a connection with them irl but don’t know how to find my type on these. Actually I think my type isn’t in tinder perhaps? Look it’s hard out there for everyone!
@@karenjeanmooney-kelleher8583 I got pretty comfortable just talking to people IRL tbh, (had to practice for a while in front of a mirror 😅) giving people safe compliments and whatnot. I think it's better than Tinder which seems really sad and soulless as a platform, then again Ive never used it so IDK.
That's dumb because some people are less "impressive" in their approach but look better online.
I think it’s more to do with masculinity, the bigger the more masculine. Personality has always been more seductive in both genders not just women, that’s why you see good looking guys with miss trunchbull
The worst is when they lie about their height
It’s funny how when we think of technology ending humanity it’s a terminator style skynet scenario, when in actual fact it’s the digitisation of the dating market.
@@kyleconnor2759 based
@@kyleconnor2759 Let the STDs evolve, its a must.
Ted Kaczinski was right. Technology will destroy us. It took away all the work that made humanity human. Especially in the dating market. Now the only future that is left is Idiocracy. The Chad, Ray Rays and Tyrone's will dumb down the gene pool so much over the next few generations that humanity is fucked.
@@darrendaley4265 Yep. Let it all burn
TikTok is China's Trojan horse for the USA.
Tinder era in a nutshell: 7 women who rate 6.0 on average will only date the one guy who rates 9.25. Guys who rate 9 are not good enough for them.
@John Grigg That's largely because I think there's a disconnect for what is possible for each gender. Men lower their standards for hookups and raise them for actual dating (hence pretty attractive dudes will fuck below average women if they want some easy sex), women have higher standards for hookups but lower for dating (they will date a guy they don't find that attractive because of his money or how he treats her or whatever) so average looking women will bang 9/10s and then when they get ghosted they think it was just that one guy and they keep trying without realizing almost no guys that are 9s will date 5s
@John Grigg rip. This is why I’m not marrying western 403s
alpha widows
How do you know?
My buddy who I'd rate 7,5/10 can't get dates from Tinder.
The Sigma revolution is on. We will never lose our virginity because we simply never lose. 😎
If you don’t date; you probably have more than enough saved up to go to Vegas & get your choice in girl.
You sound like a pimp and thats not how these guys roll
Remember, the man who was the biggest success in human history was Isaac Newton, he revolutionized multiple fields of science, the first to separate white light into colors, inventor of the mirror based telescope, inventor of calculus, creator of the first great theory of gravity, saved the English economy from counterfeiters, and he died a virgin. Some say his last words were that this was his greatest accomplishment.
@@ricecakeboii94 it's not about hedonistic pleasures my friend, it's about family and having a legacy to work for.
@@ee8898 it’s the women’s choice whether or not the man will potentially have a family & it’s statistically 80% the women’s choice to divorce. Just a FYI simp.
Keep stacking kingz!
I"m 70 and I went on a site for older people A local woman and I matched and agreed to meet at a restaurant. No thanks if she is an example of the women out there. She began an affair with a married man 15 years yonger with her with children at home. He left his wife and children for her. They married and then he began an affair with his ex wife. She wasn't emotionally over the young guy. If we got together how could I trust her to not go back to him if he ever became available. She claimed to be a Christian. No thanks. Dating is time spent getting to know the other person and to see if the two are compatable. That was my only date since my wife died. I'll stay single.
Haha sure she's a christian...
Omg if everyone quits dating after 1 bad date, we would all be isolated and alone within 10 years.. I would keep dating if I was you, especially since you are getting to the age where there are a lot more women than men. I'm sure there are good widows out there.
I went on a date with a woman who said she was 50 but turned out to be 59, she explained she was married with children but no long found her husband physically attractive and was seeing three guys in their 20’s but was looking for another guy who wasn’t just using her for sex. At the end of the date she said she really enjoyed it but didn’t see things developing physically with me as I was too old for her tastes but she’d love to see me for dinner dates. I’m 39 and 6’2.
@@kirkbespokeify These women you guys mentioned sound awful.
You can’t quit after one. It’s ridiculous to do so, but if you are acting like a spoilt toddler, then you will be treated like one.
I think we’re seeing in real time why society needs monogomy to function well. Tinder has essentially brought a kind of Polygamy back into mainstream society.
Polygamy is the final natural evolution in the patriarchal order. Monogamy is socially enforced.
@@colbalt95 not necessarily, monogomy does exist in nature outside of human culture. Also, polygomous societies also feel very much culturally enforced. For example, a royal harem is enforced by beliefs about the superiority of royals and is backed by violence. Hunter gatherers, the most “natural” form of humans were also mostly monogomous. If polygamy was the ultimate form, it would work better, but it doesn’t. It would really only work well in societies where males have a very high mortality rate. Polygamy is terrible for modern society because the top males have no reason to improve society, and the bottom males have no reason to support society. I actually know a lot of people who found spouses through online dating, but they all used Coffee Meets Bagel, which limits daily matches. Women can only match with 3 a day. That means they can only be picky between those three.
@@colbalt95 also, I don’t think polygamy is necessarily patriarchal because the majority of men are actually the biggest losers in a polygamous system. A male dominated society ia more likely to enforce traditional marriage values. Only outlier men would even have a shot at being able to support multiple wives.
@@bigheadrhino Hunter Gatherers, which still exist in South America, are more "everybody has sex with everybody." This was probably the case during the Ice Age. The reason is to create a strong group dynamic, and to create paternal ambiguity. Nobody really knows who is the father of which child. This means, that if a man dies hunting, or a woman dies in childbirth, any of their children will still be taken care of, because nobody really knows who the father was.
@@bigheadrhino I've heard before that polygamy is the natural state of human relationships. However in large societies, it leaves a large population of unmarried men which is socially destabilizing. So they create religion to enforce monogamy and that's how modern societies developed. However, now we're reverting back to polygamy which will inevitably lead to destabilization.
I met my wife months before tinder exploded in popularity. I am so happy things worked out with her. I couldn’t imagine doing the online dating and tinder thing.
You got her at the right time you are lucky man
Haven't dated in 13 years.. Haven't been intimate with a women in 4 years. One thing I know is.. I definitely wouldn't use a dating app.
I also think a real problem is housing and rent prices, most young guys stay at home with their parents to save money and their parents make it almost impossible to get laid, let alone having a relationship.
Notice how you're sensible comment has 2 likes. But comments insulting women have 50 - 100x the amount of likes. This is such a toxic online community, it's sad.
@@MyAkachi Your so right, unfortunately i have to empathize, they dont have anywhere else to go to voice out sexual frustration, its rough out here, all we can do is remind them its not all womens fault and to get mad at outside factors like politics instead lol so we can get some change
Wouldn’t this apply equally to women though? It’s not like housing is any cheaper for women than for men so if young men can’t afford to move out of their parents house then neither can young women
@@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986 You're right, but women have way more options than guys, they will choice someone with their own place or has a private setting in their parents house, its just healthy ina relationship, but that's why I think its a bigger problem for younger men with no setting to get laid, women don't find them attractive for relationships and its not completely their fault. cant afford shit
economics is population control. the unaffordability is being done on purpose to kill the middle class and help low income migrants replace them in western nations. whats left is only a ruling class and upper class, the way the upper class like it.
Ahhhh I am quite glad that this is all starting to fall apart. I bailed out of relationships when the last one crashed and burned 3 years ago. The fun part is when dating comes up in talks I just tell the women that there just aren't enough tall women out there. I am 6'2" and I love their very surprised and defensive reactions when I apply their standards of height against them as someone who meets that standard.
do you say "Date someone your own height shortcake"
@@sawderf741 Lol no but I will use that in the future.
"I need a real woman. If you're shorter than 7 ft. I won't respond."
It's not surprising that you don't have a girlfriend. You are resentful and hateful towards women. Men are attracted to certain things, by nature. And so are women. Berating women for being attracted to height is like berating men for being attracted to boobs. It makes no sense whatsoever. I understand, you got burned in the past. But it's time to heal and let go of the pain. Don't let the pain destroy you, grow from it instead. Becoming hateful and spiteful is pointless and destructive, and you will be the first victim.
@@lako8368 It was a solid attempt. I am aware of the differences. I fully intend to decay, fall apart and be alone. There is no need to be saved.
I fit the "no sex in iver a year" thing. But I left a toxic relationship and have fully enjoyed my time with myself and my dog. I know who I am now. I'm fine being here forever.
Interesting lot people are in same situation of leaving toxic relationships.
Same, I had a toxic relationship with a bpd girl and I just wanna have my freedom
You nailed it when talking about the visual only dating.
Fun fact: The real Zac Efron went on tinder and got zero likes because everyone thought it was a scammer pretending to be him when it was the real man himself! What a freaking hilarious irony...
Any sane person would suspect the profile to be a scammer.
Pretty sure theres dating apps available only for verified celebrities anyways.
@@callanc3925 If I remember correctly, there is an app like that, and it's invite based only. I heard someplace, but can't remember where and when.
@@AkosM Raya
Who cares about what clouted celebrities do? They're SUPPOSED to get this sort of treatment because of who they are.
hypergamy in a nutshell. Women started shopping for men on tinder like they do for shoes on amazon and you never get less cute shoes than your last pair.
It’s an advertising site so the best looking will always win as they emulate the lifestyles they’re addicted to and have to earn to support. Their final choice is made when their options run out. Pity that choice.
@@brynleytalbot778 but the same for women too. a lot of women dont even post how they actually look, they post edited versions of themselves. I wonder if those graphs were the same if women would upload natural pictures of themselves. some women go on tinder and steal other women pictures.
@@teaja211 not really the case because most men will go on a date/fuck with any woman that's not obese or very very ugly, women always go for that top 5% men ( or maybe it is 1% lol) even if it means sharing them with other women rather than go for an average guy.
brilliant analogy
@@teaja211 profiles with no photos get more matches than men simply by putting female as the gender
Tinder is like real life on steroids - 90% of women want the same 10% of men.
even goodlooking guys with lots of money have trouble getting matches. there are professional ice hockey players in canada that cant get a date because womens standards are impossible. today its more like 90% of women want the same 0% of men. even guys like brad pitt and johnny depp get divorced. your only hope is to keep looking for a woman that isnt completely nuts. my best advice is to date asian women. they actually know how to be polite and appreciate a man.
Women in general are capricious lemmings who buy into whatever their social circles and the media says is popular or attractive. I would rather chase the bag than waste my time courting someone who is going to be well below my intellectual level.
@@TheSuperappelflap Canada sounds like 1 of the worst places to be for a single man
@@trancemadmaz and u.s
They want the same top 1% of dudes, but will hook up with the 6 and 7 out of ten guys, feel demoralised the next day when that person turns out to be exactly what he always was and then blame those guys for not being the 10 out of 10 that they were never going to get because, if they were honest with themselves, they're only 6 or 7 out of 10 themselves.
Girls have no game at all. I’m bored of these apps because the girls just say “hey”, “hi” and the majority are boring and can’t hold a conversation.
I am 27 and still a virgin. Had a few years of genetic health issues and low testosterone thanks to said genetics issues and thanks to a long story of my childhood poor social skills. Been improving working out and got a decent job, have a chad friend mentoring me and we are working on some land just enjoying the physical work of growing food. Back to our roots is what my friend says, being a classic man is what more people need to rediscover. Stay strong brothers P.S. hoping to get laid soon 🤣
@Risan big L bro 🤣
Looks like you’re in a good path, more so than many who never attempt to improve themselves. Hope everything goes well
I pray for your health king
You don’t need chad to mentor you, he has no issues so wouldn’t know how to deal with them. Looks max, surgery max & wealth max. Your still young so don’t waste time.
you got this mang!
Letting women choose men based on attraction is literally the DUMBEST, USELESS, TOXIC idea ever. What fools. It's so the girl can use that guy to favor her Instagram and show off to her friends. They don't actually care about his personality, or goals, or passions, or CHARACTER. So freaking shallow, on both sides. This isn't going ANYWHERE desirable. And that's the irony
Weren’t men the visual creatures? 🤔Men can do it for hundreds of years picking apart womens looks, weight, breast, butt etc…but women can’t? This is how women have been judged since forever and we’re simply returning the favor. Women are now selecting the way men historically have. Funny it’s now men whining that they’d like their personalities to count for more….deal with it. If push comes to shove women would rather share Chads (as in the case of Nick Cannon) than still settle for you losers even if we’re 40 and obese you losers will never get any.
Who cares? Do men care about women's goals, passions, or characters too? Tinder is based on Grinder, it's for s*x only. If you are ugly why enter the game anyway, it's rigged against you.
That’s why society is falling bad those relationships don’t normally make 5 years.
Why do you think we have a bunch of beautiful idiots running around…
Do you not choose women based on attractiveness? If you say you don’t you’re probably lying.
Im 36 , I've never Been in a relationship before ZERO , I was diagnosed at 17 with Aspergers & social anxiety in 2003 & that explains why I ran away when girls asked me out or tried to talk to me ,
Congrats, you should have a full bank account and a full head of hair lol
Excellent analysis
I am 36 and still a virgin. Tried online dating, after only 3 matches with 984 likes of me, and 1 of those matches was a woman who wanted to do a study, 1 didnt really interact with me, and the other one was a one way street of conversation. After 2 weeks I just stopped chatting with her because she told me she is not interested. I also tried speed dating, but the 3 times I went there, the women just didnt appear, and the event had to be cancelled. That way I only spent the money once. And just interacting with women in reallife, they are simply not attracted and show no interest. I thought things would get better after I got my degree as engineer... Maybe I am just ugly and repulsive
It's not you, it's them. Don't despair, though. Once this all falls, engineers will be very, very valuable. Until then, hit the gym. Your time is coming soon.
Work on yourself. Take good care of your looks (haircut, face no acnees, hydrated.....) fashion (dress better like cloths that are classy on your job and relaxed out of work).
Most engineers go to SE Asia to get a wife.
@@YouYou-sm8tf That advice is no good (he should be healthy though). You are basically blaming his looks. He needs to travel overseas to a country where the women aren't focused on chasing Chad and Tyrone.
@@JaimeWarlock Trust me EVERY AVERAGE / BEAUTIFUL WOMAN around the world love Chad and Tyron. Women like the popular handsome bad boy type.....or the Rich Charmant Prince type of guy. Women who are below average will take a man below average as well as long as he have a job. But the women who have options, she will use it if she can.
I guess the problem is this: if you give women endless options, they will always shoot higher on the mating scale, or choose to remain alone. This leaves the bottom percentiles of men out in the cold. Which means you can either have a society where women have equal opportunity, or you can have a society where everyone has a chance at marrying, but not both.
this is a good point
Over the course of one century, or four generations we should see an increase of up to 300% in the “attractiveness” of the average person.
@@NoticerOfficial yeah I imagine well be genetically removing undesirable physical defects and hopefully mental ones too
@@monkey2.092 You sure you're only v2.0? Seems like v3.0 thinking to me. I concur with your statement.
The bottom percentile have always been left out cold, its just that the bottom percentile is bigger than ever now.
Wow is all I have to say about this video makes so much sense for people who didn’t see all this. Good video and info
Zack's background is so cool! Sheets of rain with the lights and skyline
It’s a brave new world. I was on tinder for years… There used to be a ton of dates, lots of sex (and I’m only 5’8). But now it just feels different. Perhaps it’s my age (38). I cannot relate to any woman below 25 (and really, 27-28 is my cut off), and all the women in their 30s are either overweight, or covered in a bunch of dumb tattoos, or have horrible political ideas. Even though a lot of them want to come hook up, I find that I give them the hard pass. Or don’t let it continue. I would rather read books, work out, focus on accumulating wealth, and traveling.
Consider: even the bottom 10% of women get one match per day.
I think it’s because we are getting stressed with life, problems...we want to get entertained, feel good......that relationship are now a headache.
@@YouYou-sm8tf yeah… At this point, I don’t even want to be on the apps anymore. Even though they are easy, I don’t feel like they’re worth my time. And I really don’t have any faith to find a good woman in her early 30s that I would feel confident to build a life with… So, here I am. 🤷♂️
"Overweight and covered in a bunch of dumb tattoos, and have horrible political ideas." That's church.
@@jb8408 "A good woman in her early 30's." Isn't that an oxymoron? 😄
One must also remember that Tinder have algoritms that are screwing with perceptions on Tinder. If it was just profiles with no intervention from Tinder and you saw everyone it would probably have had a different outcome.
this is why i always give them a bad review when they ask me how its going like f u tinder
Ya if you could just scroll down a list with hundreds of dudes pics and you could click which one you interested in.. most men would be screwed..
Getting laid isn't the hard part for me. It's finding happy, healthy and honest LTRs that's nearly impossible.
This is one reason muslim women wear hijab. Muslim ppl believe it is protection for society/woman. As they cover their beauty it makes it more important for them to develop their personality, morals and intellect, to be defined by. This makes them plesent to talk to and hold real conversations around shared values, beliefs and long-term life goals that are also deep and transcend. It prevents ppl getting a superiority complex based on superficial trates, arrogance. Keeps ppl down to earth, modesty. It trys to prevent the "commercialisation/weaponising" of beauty. Helps to prevent insecurities trying to maintain unrealistic and unsustainable beauty standards, that are forever changing and expensive to uphold. This can cause mental issues in people and the sense of constant judgement from people that don't know or care about your long-term good. Peace x
Some incredibly Interesting and insightful things you guys talk about! Thank you soo much for that! Also, as a tall guy myself (which never really helped me with girls tbh), I always pity guys that are shorter than me, knowing how girls preferences are. The struggles a lot of guys have to go through to get love… Let’s all change for the better by being informed!
This has been proven many times over, but the more options you give someone, the less likely they are to decide. They may "try" a date, but that's not choosing; it's sampling.
Every man a woman sleeps with they create a perfect ideal in their head w that partners best traits. After being promiscuous they find no single man meets this criteria. Hence, cats, wine, more divorces.
Paradox of choice
Even as a guy when I had options with women I could not pick, I can't imagine what it's like to live as a woman
There has always been competition fellas. Like Jordan.P said - Be Better. Pls Men created tinder not Women. Women just use it.
Its like choosing a videogame to play in my huge ass steam library
This is a recipe for disaster and societal... well, we see it already.
No one wants to find themselves in a position like Jonny Depp
@@monkey2.092 Thank you for your insight. As someone who hasn't lived in The States since 12 May 2006, it appears A LOT has changed. Indeed the Critical Mass has surely been passed.
@@monkey2.092 War, revolution, and societal collapse. Brace for impact.
@@monkey2.092 What are you talking about? Societal disaster due to a lack of sex? Get a grip!
@@monkey2.092 there's masturbation, porn, sex dolls, massage parlours, prostitutes...
I dont even try, I know I am a 0 on the scale, I dont need anymore women telling me what I already know
it's going to get worse, the way things are going
I noticed this in Australia - without bragging, I'd be 8/10 in looks but the women I matched were grizzled hogs. I didn't take it personally or let it chip away at me because I'd had plenty of success (and naturally some failures) in my twenties so it gave me perspective, but I honestly feel for young blokes growing up this this new era. Take a holiday in Thailand young fellas, don't get down on yourselves or settle for a purple hairy.
Gross, a sexpat. Nasty old man.
Gold lol
Yeah I get personally offended whenever a fat girl is interested.
Aussie girls are some of the most masculine demanding and unattractive out there
Purple Hairy!!! Lol!
There was a professor on the Joe Rogan Experience that wrote a book showing how micro plastics and the chemicals in them are causing infertility and messing with sperm count and testosterone levels. Add social media and gaming both competing in the attention market and you have a more wider problem than just dating sites.
or just reference the mouse utopia. If you want to have a high birth rate dont urbanize
Urbanization is a red hearing. The real problem is female empowerment. Look at the orthodox Jews living in Israel, they have urbanization but the birth rate is above 3.
That plastic stuff is near bullshit. At most I bet it only causes like a 1-2% difference. How many guys out there drink from plastic bottles everyday and are perfectly fine. Genetics as well as mindset and especially diet and sleep are everything when it comes to testosterone. All that and no porn. Which every modern man seems to think is ok now.
@@marks7088 Urban decay is something that takes time, and Israel is very new with mostly immigrants. Theyre also have wealth most that countries dont if you want to solve demographics, start with japan. Name practical things they can do
Japan is dying because of female empowerment. I don't think you understand. Israel is fine because the orthodox jews have thier daughters married without chasing careers and education. They are single handedly keeping the birth rate of that nation in tact. Look at the Amish community. They don't empower thier women and as a result they have expanded thier people well over millions in a few generations. Everywhere you look that has female empowered, you get a declining birth rate. Japan is a by product of that. Either you immigrate people to replace the falling birth rate, or you shrink in population
Gave up sex and women 10 years ago....i now have wealth ive never had before, and am truly happy. Wish someone told me this when I was 18.
How'd you grow your wealth?
@@ntl9974 I have small construction business with 10 employees. Was able to focus more on my business, re-invest in it, and have no albatrosses( women) that drained my finances. My profits, and mental health soared correspondingly..
Same, except men. I'm stress-free and I can focus on my career.
@Yannis These days, women have cash and their own security. Men being rich isn’t enough, you actually need a personality and a character 🤣 which of the sounds of it, you have money. But money can’t buy love neither any of those things. Good look when you try to find a wife Mr. She may be interested in your cash and security- but by the sound of how you speak to random people / women. You don’t have anything else to offer 😂 Good Luck 🤡
@@marklewen9384you sir know what time it is!
Tinder and the like treat people like commodities, choices based almost solely on appearance. The more we allow the tech we use to commodify life and each other, the more unhappy we will be.
Tinder could actually be a good tool to improve your chances of meeting someone, if it were used correctly. Why not match by attractiveness and see where it takes you? That's what we do anyways. Tinder isn't the problem, it's just amplifying it. Chads are banging more and women are giving it away for free even more. Or no one's doing any banging and it's all just to accumulate likes.
. . . and women continue to reject short men with bald heads. Infuriating, isn’t it? Oh, you were going in another direction, right?
@@williamfriar6295 thanks for your comment ... I don't know if women continue to reject short men with bald heads on Tinder, I think you were meaning ... because I'm not on Tinder ... but I know a lot of wonderful men who are short and bald and are married (some of them happily!), so women can't be rejecting them en masse. But probably women shallow enough to be on Tinder and judge men on appearance only would indeed probably reject short bald men ... on Tinder. However, if they met them at the grocery store, and the man was a gentleman, interesting, funny, smart and appropriate ... and if he had a good energy, probably the bald shortness wouldn't matter so much. That was the "direction" I was "going in." Personally, I've always had a crush on Yul Brynner and Patrick Stewart ... so I'm not a good judge.
@@avapark9746 You need to ask why the women married the short/bald guy? Was it due to lack of options or resources? It certainly wouldn’t be for sexual attraction and said woman will be easy pickings if an attractive guy shows interest in her.
@@avapark9746 not specifically you, but generally speaking, why do women ask for a short man with bald hair (which are all genetics, he has no say in them) to be smart, funny, energetic, successful, rich, well educated, athletic, etc to be accepted? It's like he must be an exceptional person to be loved. At the same time, any boy with 6 feet height and small muscles can have sex with a countless number of women and choose anyone he wants to marry without having to be well educated, successful, rich, smart, funny, etc. It's a bit unfair and sad.
Tinder definitely allows women to be super picky and judge on looks alone when previous generations would simply not meet those people very often in real life and then would be judging on looks, personality and actions 🤷♂️
As a woman I agree. If the guy don’t fit my standard in looks, I won’t even give him a chance. If he was rich, I would give him a chance but I don’t know if I will fall in love with him. Love still need mutual attraction/feeling and you can’t control that. While during my parents’ time, men were judged by his ability to provide and his action. It’s because of women’s financial independance (women want a guy that she find attractive, someone that make her feels many emotions) and the 2nd biggest reason is SOCIAL MEDIA women want to brag about their boyfriends/husbands personal life on social media, if he isn’t approuved by family,friends, followers..........we feel dissapointed. Women want a man that can make other women jealous. He should be attractive, have a good job and financially successful (no debt). And he need to be above her financially. Dating app help a woman to filtre any men she doesn’t like physically by just not responding to them. Back in old days even she wasn’t attracted to him...he can make her change her mind through seduction. Now women judge men based on looks, his job and income. .....then personality (of course for those who have options Young, beautiful, educated and childless. While single mothers, older / overweight women, uneducated or non attractive women they will not be that picky.
@@YouYou-sm8tf The majority of women will be used for a pump and dump by the guys who can.
@@YouYou-sm8tf Please stay away from men. Don't ruin a young man's life
@@torachan23 Well, that's the modern age. It's mostly about social status nowadays, people want to feel special, that's just human nature. As technology is so overruling right now it's hard to avoid it. But that's the game. In my opinion it also has to do with how market works, if something is in shortage but in high demand, prices will rice. So with woman, if most guys would've stopped simping and chasing girls so much.. a woman has to do literally no effort to get sex, there are 10 men waiting for them in line.. if you have to choose between a free bitcoin of 40k or 60k, you obviously go for the 60k. You're not stupid, nor are woman. Instead work on yourself, explore, learn, fight, learn to speak, learn to connect, be the best version of yourself, then your woman will come eventually.
@@YouYou-sm8tf Its Not just that, you have to have sexual attraction Too. Why would you have sex with somebody you don‘t think is attractive.
you two are geniuses, your co-host forced my hand on the subscription, genius
Its because women keep getting pickier, while offering less and less.
Try to be with a man
Illuminating conversation on this generation's sex rituals, which confound this 68-year-old. Never thought I'd be wistful about the disco one-night party train of the late 70's-early 80's, but at least then we actually saw, met, challenged, amused, danced with, went down on and sometimes bonded with each other, before moving on. Hard to believe that was paradise compared to the left-swipe hellscape going on today.
"The Number of Sexless Men Has Tripled in 10 Years" I think the number is a lot higher
Me too
We don’t know who’s lying and who’s not
Unfortunately, the more disinterested I became in relationships, the more women came knocking at my door. When you focus on yourself and ignore, people take notice. There was a time when I was killing myself to stay in toxic relationships because I genuinely loved these women. Since then , my focus has shifted, and now I see this disproportionate game clearly. It isn't this way for all relationships, but a majority of them are. Now I get called a "narcissist" because I don't give a shit how attractive you are, or where you came from; leave me the hell alone so I can enjoy my coffee on my weekends. Being alone is simultaneously a gift, and a curse. I'm 24 and pretty much finished with dating hahaha.
Painful words of wisdom from The branch to the to the stump. But who needs these girls when our cars scream so much louder?
@@Ash-zh5ygthat’s true 😂
She’s guilty of height requirements, I’m guilty of I want a fat free woman. I can’t blame her for having desires. It’s human nature to have physical parameters
Exactly! All I see is whiny men crying about how it's extremely toxic that women have preferences and they cannot get laid because of it. 😪😢 Cry me a fucking river! Men don't go for obese, disabled or 55plus women, they want the best pick of the litter but it's a crime if women have choice and preference. The hypocrisy is so real in the comment. 🤣
Thank you! Finally somebody said it. Chris always points out how women only want tall guys, well who wants fat girls? Why should I date a short guy if i dont find him attractive?
@@Elfinboots87 heignt can't be changed while weight can. Two things can be correct at the same time, just because you are allowed your preferences doesnt mean women are not shallower than men in this regard.
Zack is on the money - human attraction depends on in-person interaction and people tended to go out with other people they had personal experience of which meant a much wider spectrum of people you would get on with, whereas tinder is really only about looks, as there is no other criteria for valuing people there. I think its inevitable that the dysgenic effect of Tinder will lead to its natural petering out, as people in stable relationships establish families and pass on preferences for normal relationships.
here's to hoping
Just tell them you are a lottery winner - the number of women prepared to over look at your physical and other imperfections will reduce considerably!
Millions of years of evolution won't peter out. The offspring will behave the same.
@@jonahtwhale1779 At that point you enter into contractual relationships with women with a set time duration, extended if things go well, with an allowance. It’s how billionaires play the game and have hotties. At up front business transaction with no hidden agendas.
@@zoli11 Sadly, very true. It’s a civilisation ending situation where we’re emulating past ones nearing their end as depravity and excess dominate destroying the gains a society made. But the bright future after that end has no place for the sociably confident in a world where survival is dependent on competence.
I would have thought that all the self isolating over the last couple of years would affect peoples' willingness to have intimate relationships with relative strangers
This was all before the pandemic.
Certainly didn't help.
Nah, just increased the levels of hypergamy.
Women don't care if you're hot enough
Idk what it is. Is it AI secretly tearing ppl apart to be able to take over the world in the future?
Great video I’m sharing this
"Women and men are now basing it on physical attraction". Oh, and women do it 1700% more than men (Dataclysm).
I love your channel. Subscribed. So broad in its intellectual pursuits with varying experts and opinions; you also have a lucid poise and thoughtfulness that is kind to the ear.
I would swipe right on nearly every profile. I'm above average in attractiveness, but certainly not CHAD level. Dating as a teenager and early 20s in the early 2000's was a lot of fun. There were always attractive women who liked me. There still are, but ONLY if I meet them in person. On Tinder, I would average about 2 matches per day. And 95% of them were well below average. I deleted it after 3 months.
Bore off
@@emmamusic4600 not to mention many women on there are using filters so they view themselves higher
@@emmamusic4600 You're exactly right. I try to explain that to guys, and encourage them to delete their dating apps. I'm to the point that I don't think I would even be in a serious relationship with a woman who has spent much time using dating apps.
@@emmamusic4600 I think that most women prefer being approached in person. Of course, only by guys they find attractive lol. But I've been shot down plenty of times. I've also been successful plenty of times. I've even had women approach me in person plenty of times. But I'm not creepy in how I approach, and if a girl says no, then i leave it that. From my experience, as long as your respectful, then even if the woman isn't interested, then it's not a big deal. I've never had a woman flip out from me trying to approach in person. Guys always get mad at me for saying this, but the idea that a woman is going to try and get revenge on you for talking to her is just something that men who are too shy to approach in person use as an excuse to not talk to women. So they rely on the dating apps. And on dating apps, even average looking women want nothing to do with average looking men on those. Average looking men get their self esteem ruined, and average looking women (because they're only swiping on the very best looking men) often get played, and used for nothing more than sex. Dating apps are just bad all around in my opinion.
@@jaythenihilist4689 "The idea that a woman is going to try and get revenge on you for talking to her is just something that men use as an excuse to not talk to women" This simply isn't true is it. Some women are malicious & nasty when rejecting men. I've seen rejection videos online where the women are offended that such a man would approach her or dare to think he stood a chance.
Im listening to my firat modern wisdom podacast. Content looks pretty good. I am struggling to get past the choice of Intro song....its bad..Is that a new Alvin and the Chipmunks album or something?
Women don't swipe on tinder. They check the superlikes and accept or not. Lazy and minimal effort.
Those last 10 seconds of this conversation really sum up the overall vibe and mindset that women will have on these apps. Chip on the shoulder with a side of attitude.
Yep, agree 100%
Me, better looking than the girl I matched with and am 26: Wyd this weekend 34 year old: I don’t like making plans Me: unmatches her cause she was short with me the whole time. I cut to the chase and asked what she was doing and she gave me that bs. HA bye
@@CarlosRamirez-no2js life just seems unreal.. like i wonder if this shit is all real, cause all i experience is pain and anxiety
My success rate went to 100% when I started to pay for company.. Now i don't need to chase anyone, i can focus on the things that i like, and i have zero drama in my life.. Some might say it's sad.. i'm actually way happier.. and it turns out that i don't need the service as often as i thought.. i think i could never go through the dating bs ever again
Exactly same. Saves time.
I've tried your way too, even that didn't work for me. Everyone I tried needed references. It's like trying to get a job that requires work experience with no experience.
@@amazinglats6020 you're probably in the US.. i live in a third world country.. here it's easier than finding an uber
@@user-uc5ul6wb3g Yes. The USA has more influential holy men than many other countries. I love joking that a country that prides itself on free market economic won't apply free market economics to the sex business.
@@user-uc5ul6wb3g Haha that made me laugh, it's available here in the US but it is illegal, this would deter a lot of men as they would be scared to death of getting caught, probably even more for the stigma than actually getting in trouble. Other countries people don't seem to care.
Zach: "Women have an animus to approaching online dating apps." Absolutely brilliant insight.
I haven't had sex in 4 years yes it sucks, but my mental health was worse with the constant rejection no matches in dating apps, i took a break from trying to date my mental health is better, but still feel depressed with my sexless loveless life
Not all of them are complaining though, because they're all living that stress-free life. Sometimes women are worth it, but sometimes you just gotta go your own way.
These apps are designed to train, encourage and drive the engagement of non-contractual bodily affairs, which will contribute to the reduction of the traditional concept of marriage and an increase in open relationships.
Less children being born = depopulation
Reminds me of Brave New World.
Yes.
*open relationships for the majority of women and a minority of men. The remaining majority of men will live sexless lives and function as an economic slave class while being blamed for all the evils of the world.
I am 19 and I know I will never even try to get woman. I don't see a point in that.
@Jane B Robbins I am 19 years old born in 2003. I am not child anymore. I really don't see any point to have woman. I have them on porn.
@Jane B Robbins Currents situation with sexless/single men will just get better. No man won't even try to date you women in couple of decates. Simply we don't need to and have no desire.
@Jane B Robbins Tell me what will I have from having a woman novadays? You don't give us men sex and love we want anymore.
@Jane B Robbins Again tell me what I will have from having you?
@Jane B Robbins I never said that to women but yesterday I tried to invite one for a test and she just seen text. WHAT the fuc!? Can't you even say yes or no damn? Now I am really done. Same was with my friend. She just seen text.
I have never been on a dating app. I met my husband at a restaurant on 2001. I was a the counter waiting for my food and suddenly this guy was next to me trying to strike a conversation. All the men in my life have been people I met in college, or at work or via friends.
@Hakeem Hamza You're so bitter it's so pathetic LMAO
key word: 2001. these days if you try to strike up a conversation like that most women will just think youre a creep. the ones that dont think its creepy are in a relationship.
To those who have everything, more will be given, to those you have nothing, everything will be taken away.
Yess that how everything works in this universe. If you get Lucky make sure to use the laws of compounding to your advantage
I've been in what the MGTOW community calls 'monk mode', for 3 years now - best decision of my life to date. There's not a aspect of life that hasn't improved from testing my self-discipline and detachment from some of modern society.
An it has made you more able of get a woman, or you are now jus the sae sexless ant as before, but more able to serve the lords than be4?
@@adamnesico I didn't pursue sex before hand - spent my life from 18-35 in the Army. Now I pursue my career, financial freedom and hobbies. All that sexual energy has helping my climbing to no-end!
@@thewaywardgrape3838 Good and with money u can pay escort if u need sex.
Good. Three poisons that causes sufferings: greed, hatred, and delusions. By letting go of your greed (desire) towards women and their companionship, hatred towards your circumstances and delusions towards them will free you from sufferings and make you closer towards enlightenment.
yes i did for some time, then relapsed... after an std and pregnancy scare back to monk mode for the forseable future hahahaha
I told a female friend the following phrase: "Society spent the better half of a decade "dismantling" the unattainable beauty standards for women, yet did the exact opposite for men." And she said, and I quote: "NO! you're just hanging out with the WRONG women who have those shitty standards!!!!" I left, and no longer speak to her. It's so frustrating when the culprits don't even know they are the problem.
-Big women are beautiful too! -Big men are fat, lazy, depressed losers. -- I don't actually agree w/ this but this is how people are treated.
Speaking as a man, I think she is right. She might not be one of those 'right' women but they absolutely do exist. I'm a Christian, though, and I live in a deeply Christian / Pentecostal community, so the dating standards of both men and women are very, very different from mainstream hookup culture.
@@bornforburning777 How does it work there I am really curious what's considered important what's overlooked?
@@joeroganpodfantasy42 Probably they are much more conservative so there is no hook up culture and their Christian dominant societies actively and explicitly look down on hoeing around.
she knows what she is doing. she's just a compulsive liar
being single is painful, but once i figured out modern girls just want attention amd validation and they only see guys as accessories and status symbols, it has become impossible to not see anymore and frankly as badly as i want a meaningful relationship, its just not going to happen bc the girls worth dating arent single or arent really in a hurry to be in a relationship
My friend and her ex who remained on good speaking terms after the breakup both went on tinder immediately after the breakup as sort of a joke her inbox was flooded and he did decently with a few matches per week but nowhere near hers. they were both good looking.
don't worry guys, haven't had whoopee in like 5 years..... NOT DED YET 😂❤
I find this surprising. I often feel like I rely too heavily on dating sites such as tinder or hinge for success in the bedroom, rather than using courage to speak to a woman at bars, work or clubs.
those three options are all bad. single women that go to bars and clubs are the same girls that swipe left on you on tinder. they are likely very picky, drink too much, and treat guys like shit. talking to women in the workplace is even worse unless you dont mind getting sued for harassment and losing your entire career.
Last time I was using Tinder around 2015, I actually managed to run out of women in my area. I swiped soo much that I couldn't get more profile. And with alllll the girl I swiped, I got 3 reply. One was a bot, one was a Trans and the other one was a woman I chat with for a couple a days an went nowhere.
Lol.
Yep… i had decent luck witj women in 2015-2017, but it was waste of time
The first time I used tinder was in 2015, I was traveling in the Philippines and didn't know anyone, so tried it as a way to meet people. I was absolutely inundated with matches and messages right away. Over the next few years, I stayed in Southeast Asia, having amazing success on tinder in every country every time I used it. Then I came back to the UK in 2018, that's when I learned that Tinder is a different animal in the west. First, I was swiping NO way more than usual. With all the overly made-up, fat, duck faced trolls. But after getting zero matches, I just started swiping yes on everyone. I think I was in the UK for one month, and I got zero matches, not zero dates, zero matches. Then flew back to Thailand, the day I arrive I open tinder, start getting matches, and am on a date with an 8/10 that day. Who I ended up dating for a year after that.
Interesting
And, who makes the future of the human population?
Jet set lifestyle. Presumably this was before covid. Anyway seems you are just pumping and dumping. Not viable for guys wanting relationships.
SE Asia is great
If you ever get a non western wife, stay in those places don’t bring her back to live in the west or she will become “westernised” with feminist views.
The better reference is around 2008 is the year the smart phone came into common use and put everyone on the internet. Suddenly you weren’t just competing against the guy down the street, you were competing against every guy in the city for a girl’s attention. What’s worse is the same guys could be hitting up every girl but to the girl it just looks like a lot of guys want to be with her. In short if everyone is now online then you have to go off line to find a decent relationship.
Men created the dating apps and now upset with the outcome and of course it’s womens fault 😂
I dont even know how Tinder makes its money. Every "match" I had turned out to be spam or bots
I don't think it's just because of Tinder... This also coincides with all other forms of vacuous social media. We live in an increasingly shallow society.
Stopped having sex and being around women. I have never been more at peace.
I'm in the same boat and I'm a female lol. This will change as I get older though
@@evacope1718 Are you in your 20’s?
@@steez5769 yeah I'm almost 25, I know that I'll become anxious about my biological clock running out as I reach 30 lol
@@evacope1718 Well, i guess it depends what you think you want going forward. Do you think marriage and kids is something you want in life? If so, i'll delve into a more in depth response.
@@evacope1718 And i don't meant marriage and kids this instant but in general.
Tinder has made it harder and harder. I think it has an effect. I know myself, as an average guy/below average guy, I still found dating easy during college. Second tinder was released. It became instantly harder to date. Online and in person. Bar game became instantly harder. Women will be swiping while at the bar. You have to be the hottest guy not only in the room, but in the area. Now, my friends who are attractive men, have too many women. If my friend who makes 250k and are 6ft tall, can get 1 girl for every day of the week. A top man can keep 5+ women off market either by dating them, or the hope. Of dating them. It leaves nothing for anyone else.
Exactly
Yep that's the real issue here. The top guys are basically hoarding all the women. Average Joe's are shit out of luck 🤷
You just described 'Chad'
This is the correct way. We are mammals, male competition is the way of our species. Before Christian European colonization, every culture has polygamy so the Chads can monopolised women, as they should. Excess males will be killed off in wars and their women will be impregnated by the winners. 70 years of peace and monogamy make people weak. Polygamy, in this 'free love' era, force us back to our roots.
Life is so damn brutal.. it’s also harder when population gets to big to..
this is the most sober and realistic channel on dating psychlogy. just cold scientific fax and honest search for evidence. no angry rants for or against feminism, etc. just facts and logic.
The internet has killed us