Nvidia is lying to you - RTX 4070 Ti Full Review
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When Nvidia unlaunched the 12GB RTX 4080, gamers rejoiced - But now that GPU is back as the RTX 4070 Ti. “Starting at” $799, is it the win we all hoped it would be, or is it too expensive for a 70-series graphics card?
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Intro
1:30 Is it even a 4070-class card?
2:30 Nvidia's official position
3:59 4K gaming performance
5:41 1440p gaming performance
6:40 Ray traced gaming & DLSS 3.0 performance
8:48 Productivity performance
12:08 Power consumption
14:03 Thermals
14:43 Clock stability
15:23 So... That pricing
16:20 How do they justify this??
17:14 MSRP will probably be a myth
18:29 Nvidia is pushing gamers to consoles
20:18 AMD's at fault, too
21:37 Conclusion - Thanks, I hate it(s price)
As time goes on, EVGA's decision to step away from GPUs makes more and more sense.
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@@TheLastBeanBender liquid
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they are losing out on millions of dollars over something that has been an industry standard for decades now.
Ctrl + C, Ctrl + V
As a GTX 1080 user I am very grateful that you guys put these old GPUs into your charts! Thank you!
I would pay more than double what I paid over 5 years ago for about double the performance? Something doesn't seem right.
Same my GTX 1080 has been beast for the past 6 years.
My 1080 is still going strong
10 series was the last amazing generation from nvidia Honestly i dont see myself buying any more nvidia GPUS if they keep heading this route 30 series was the limit for me And sadly AMD is starting to go this way too Perhaps its time for console gaming
Im on EVGAs 1080ti FTW3. It is still a super strong card and with AMDs FSR the card feels even better, new life in to old GPUs, YEP please
The fact the 4090 is so far ahead shows that Nvidia didn’t even try with the other cards. It’s blatantly obvious that due to the recent lack of competition in the GPU market on the high end they are leaving room for improvement on purpose to avoid a repeat of what the GTX 1080 was and make sure with every generation they can improve a small amount and get away with it
what are you referring to with the 1080? i wasnt around during that time. what happened?
@@geraldmccloskey4395 They over-produced the 1080 chipset and they had to skip producing a creme de la creme GPU in that generation like TITAN, GTX Ultra, xx90ti models etc. They had too many 1080 models on stock and did not want to create a new competition with a stronger card of their own. Multiple years later they trimmed it down to 1070ti and some 1070 chipsets to 1050ti. However they produced so much and they were so on point with the performance back then, still there are more 10xx cards than any other generation.
@@zortlak Not only that, the economics of the situation are likely the biggest reason the 1000 series will remain the ultimate value upgrade, forever. 1. Planar node to FinFet The 10 series was the last nvidia GPU on a planar node, which has significantly less manufacturing cost and complexity than a more powerful FinFet node, like the one AMD were using at the time. 2. Architecture The 10 series was one of Nvidia's greatest accomplishments in terms of architecture. AMD at the time had a superior node, but their engineers could not design a more efficient architecture, even with a more efficient manufacturing process. Nvidia's maxwell not only crushed AMD's polaris in efficiency and cost, but also in performance. 3. Node Size The 10 series had an unusually small 80 class chipset, because it was all that was required to completely invalidate AMD's offerings at the time. This allowed Nvidia to create monsters like the titan who had the full die area unlocked, for the enthusiasts, and sell cheaper GPU's that performed better at cheaper prices to the masses.
@@zortlak 10 series was insane. Im still running a 7 year old 1060 i bought before the GPU price crisis hit. The performance increase they gave over the previous generation was noticeable considering the price point they were offered.
I have a GTX 1080 in my PC right now after my 2nd 2080TI failed. Still great for 1440p 60fps gaming. Everything is max detail. Sometimes FSR is even off.
It's so strange to me that AMD didn't see this as an opportunity to strike a killing blow for an entire generation of cards, which as Linus said, is lasting longer these days. Missed opportunity due to greed.
It's called price fixing, collusion...both have been caught in it before. Keep prices high so both can profit, AMD likely won't undercut by much.
I don't believe that to be the case. In reality, Moore's law is what both of those companies are afraid of. While the cost might be relatively similar to produce these modern GPUs as it were 10 years ago, they know they can't keep improving them that much every generation as easily as they used to. So we are in some sort of GPU duopoly, where they are aware that, if they significantly drop their prices and people buy the latest ones "cheap" now, they won't be buying the expensive ones 2-4 years down the line, since there won't be that big of a difference to justify upgrading. So they have a silent acknowledgement, to not sell them as cheap as they could, since they don't plan on selling the 4000s or 7000s series at their launch, they plan on selling them 2 year down the line, when their price will be ~500$-600$ and the people with the nvidia 1000s or 2000s series are eager for an upgrade to pair with their new 1440p@240Hz/4K@144Hz OLED Mini-Led monitors.
Thats so true... My old GPU died about a month ago and I have to admit, that I never actually thought about buying an AMD GPU. However, the 7000 Series really put my "stick-to-Nvidia-mind" to the test. But with those prices... I might as well stick with scammy team green :/
Believed the hype, bought an AMD card 7900XT, it has weird motion and input lag compared to my GTX 1080. Specifically in Fortnite.
amd cards are shite bought a saphire nitro 6900xt and i cant even play cs go driver timeouts every time tried everything under the sun to fix it to no AVAIL
Give whoever designed the new performance graphs a raise, so much better than what you've previously used!
Yeah they flow better, I know what's going on quicker than I did with the old graphs lol they're also much more aesthetically pleasing
It's a lot more informative, a lot less biased too
Hard agree. Beautiful graphs! Can read them at a glance and they're super easy to understand.
@@djhokage1 GN is great for enthusiasts who want super in depth reviews, but surface level people like me, are better off just watching linus. Not to mention the production quality literally blowing GN out of the water.
dude they have dotted lines overlapping the numbers. the graph looks nice but it's form over function. this is a step down in graphs
I feel like my 1080ti might last me till the end of the decade with pricing like that
Honestly same and I picked up a steamdeck and it's a beast for a handheld soooo I think I'm good for a while
I also have a 1080ti ftw3 in my main setup if I didn't clarify that part still kicking butt 😅
Just pick up a Radeon 6900xt, you can occasionally find them new for $550.
Same. I'd love to have ray tracing in certain games... But not at this price point and think I'd rarely use it.
I'm starting to think the same thing. But I didn't want to have to wait. I wanna try out ray tracing and high FPS, Ultra in RDR2 dammit. But I don't wanna have to sell my left foot to do it.
I remember getting a GTX 970 for under 400 euro's in 2014. It was such amazing value that I didnt mind paying more when replacing it with a 1070 when that came out. In the light of those prices, seeing this card on sale for over a thousand euro and the 4090 going for twice that is a complete mindfuck
I been running a 970 since 2016. Still a great card and can do pretty good in modern AAA games. I figured it was time to upgrade and I splurged on a 4070ti
yep i payed 300 uk pounds new at release for a 970 g1 gamer and that was the best out of the 70 series then. my 1070 amp extreme was 430 pounds and strangly the cheapest 1070 even though performance was one of the if not best. yet all the other 1070s were above 500 pounds. that wasnt so long ago and i was angry at the 100 pound increase in price. now they want me to spend 850 pounds on what really is a 4060 but called a 4070. crazy people.
@@ShootLuckGaming still on a 970 myself. Running strong for the games I play.
Leather Jackets was cheaper back in 2014. Now at poor Jensen has to travel around the world to find quality leather jackets in a fair price. How else he can earn money to buy the latest jacket made from zebras? Only by selling over priced trash like rtx 3060/4070 for $800.
did you play in 4k in 2014?
Here's an idea for you guys to put the benchmarks in better context: incorporate the price somehow (both MSRP and market average if at all possible). My two potential ideas are either to add a "price per performance" line down the right, with it dipping left to indicate worse relative p/p ratio. Bonus points if instead it's a ribbon matching your color coding on the bars for p/p ratio per average/5%/1% lows, so we can spot when a card might be worse on average p/p, but we get more for our money in terms of frame-rate stability). Alternatively, if that winds up being more cluttered: when you have a specific card you're highlighting for comparison in the ranking do a simple conditional formatting style color coding of the background behind the card names (again, better if it's up to date upon final editing) to visually represent if a card is more or less expensive in relation to one-another.
Yes i need this badly. Money to performance is all that matters. Idc if its strong enough to simulate the matrix if it will cost $10billion ill never buy it. I need to see if these cards are reasonably priced for their power otherwise its just random numbers.
this could also be done with power consumption would be appriciate as i am from germany and our government is just plain stupid.
That’s a great idea. In the video he was comparing the 3090 Ti with the 4070 Ti and made it seem like a bad thing that the 4070 would underperform the 3090 ti but the 3090 Ti is a $2000 Gpu compared to the $800 for the 4070 Ti.
@@jamestaylor9782 100% like this guy on "youtube" doesn't make the connection..
Guys, the problem is that there is no single price that they can give. Abstractly, the ideal would be them giving the price that *you* would pay. 1. Prices are different by region 2. Prices fluctuate over time, because of anything from day-to-day sales to geopolitical events 3. MSRP is just that: Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price. All three of those first words have issues: 3.1 - The manufacturers set this, and they don’t necessarily have to set it at the econ 101 ideal where supply meets demand in a perfectly competitive market; they control supply. 3.2 - It’s just a suggestion, the retailers ultimately charge what they will 3.3 - This is the retail, i.e. new, price 4 - Used prices are not just unpredictable, but unknowable. There isn’t data on what price every used card sold at; you can’t even assume the prices that you see on buy-n-sell sites because there is very probably bartering that doesn’t get seen, let alone made available by the few sites that attempt to show their sale histories 5 - Cards aren’t as fungible as we assume; 5.1 - Used cards are obviously worth less than new. And even within those, “true value” is affected by things like how much warranty the card has, intensity of use, previous operating environment, whether it comes with receipt, or was mined on, or overclocked, or cleaned regularly, comes with box and cords, etc etc 5.2 New card prices might include separate value adds, like bundled games or extra retailer warranty And the kicker is that we who might want to be surgical about price with things like price/performance are more likely in a segment where buying used makes sense, and used has the least universally knowable data A - There are sources that try to present price/performance numbers like UserBenchmark and others, and there’s good reason why nobody in the comments recomended them to you. Go look, the data’s shit.
I would like to see a FPS vs. PRICE scatter plot with a trendline to see which products fall above or below the line.
This would be nice
Gamers Nexus has one of these, and they show it on their 4070Ti review. It also happens to be potentially the most snarky and hilarious review Steve has done yet
Literally the only thing that matters for a lot of people
This! Every time in every video. Same game(s) and updated frequently.
Great idea. $ per FPS
Your take on the competition being consoles is spot on. PC gaming used to have a really strong value proposition on it's side, but no more. A couple of WAN shows back you talked about how TV manufacturers have been dealing with the same sort of pressures as GPU makers: increased size and density of the panels compared to dies in GPUs. But the TV industry has come out of those challenges with the opposite result in terms of prices and competition for the consumer. Looking at the christmas sales a couple weeks back it was incredible to see how decent 85" TV's were starting to be priced at UNDER A 1000€. 85 INCHES!!!! And meanwhile console MSRP's have not gone up compared to 10-15 years ago, i mean hell the PS5 is priced lower than the PS3 at it's first years of being on sale. 10 years ago you could easily put together a decent, upgradable enthusiast rig with a monitor and peripherals for a grand. Compared to buying a good tv (more expensive back then) and a console a PC seemed like a solid buy, as you were getting a computer too in addition of a gaming machine. Now? Hell just buying a decent enthusiast class GPU will cost you the same money as a good tv and a console let alone the other components on top of that. I think a lot of people are going to be using their 10-series cards till the bitter end and if the industry has not come back down to offering products of good value, a lot of more casual people who were lured in because of the used-to-be-good value proposition will just leave the PC gaming scene altogether. I know I am seriously considering it, it used to feel like a great value but now i feel every single component AND PERIPHERAL manufacturer is just out to get your money. Holy hell i used to think console controllers and accessories were a ripoff, but looking at the prices being asked now for medicore at best mechanical keyboards and mice for example, the industry is just not the same anymore. It was nice for how long it lasted though.
This resonates with me. I have a 1080 with a 6700k rig. A few weeks ago I got a Xbox Series S & a year of game pass ultimate for £210 brand new. This isn't the summit of graphical performance but compared to the 1080 its so close. I've seen a mentality switch in myself because the enthusiast hardware is more out of reach than it was before - therefore, my gaming style has switch and I now play with a controller sat in front of the TV like 10 years ago before I had a PC. To me its new and enticing, rather than getting my kicks out the latest hardware I'm getting them out of a change of gaming environment and xbox UI. The series S is the best value product of any type ive bought in many years.
I get your point. But are consoles magic or how can they be priced so low compared to PCs? Shit hardware saved by optimisation? Wasn't that always the case though? Maybe it's gotten worse. But I also feel there's just insane power in enthusiast PC hardware these days.
@@DB-hx1qd i have a job that can afford 3 4090 each month, but i agree with what Op wrote
Unfortunately consumers continue to buy - obviously 2022 was a terrible year for GPU sales, but so long as consumers are buying at ridiculous prices - those prices are being normalized as Linus suggested. This isn't a bad product, it's just at a completely-unreasonable price and it demonstrates that Nvidia and AMD are both trying to crank up their prices generation after generation regardless of what consoles may offer as competition. Negative media coverage won't make a big difference unless that translates into consumers voting with their wallets.
The main difference is there are multiple tv's manufacturers to compete against each other. To challenge each other in new performance/tech, but really only a two horse race and even then nvidia is at the top of performance and amd is the little brother that keeps trying to catch up. Hopefully Intel will keep at it and become an actual adversary in the future. But i dont have my hopes up for the entire pricing problem.
Honestly, I think Nvidia and AMD are recognizing that customers no longer need/want to be upgrading these cards every year to two years. The high end card will be able to handle next gen gaming at the end of year 5 with ease, so they simply are raising the price knowing that the customer is holding onto the device longer. Same product cycle as with iPhones- I ask for a new work phone when the battery is shot...and usually my 5 year old iPhone performs only marginally slower than a brand new iphone.
And remember, that 7 year old card(at least the non-Ti/super version) only cost around half the price give or take(depending on the card).
I think AMD is super happy with Nvidia's high prices. AMD can sell at a higher price point and if people get turned off and move to consoles well, they are indirectly buying an AMD APU. This situation is a win win for AMD.
@@AXEPLAINFILM wait a month and pay 50
Yeah. They got to increase their halo product by 300 dollars and still be the cheaper competitor in comparison.
ill never go back to console
@School Film you think that's stopping me
consoles are en even worse idea, id rather just go for a deck at that point. wake me when consoles let me do basic things like use the controller i want.
Honestly couldn't be happier I got into PCs right before the 10-series cards came out, I could get a 1070 for roughly $325 and I thought that was expensive back then!
I thought I was an idiot for getting my 2070 right before the 2070 Super was announced, now I see I'm one of the lucky few to still have a decent price to performance card. I could not imagine paying more than $450 for a 70 tier card, and I certainly won't entertain that notion either.
im confuse you saying you can get a 1070 for $325 now? Because on ebay at least in the US, I see as low as $100.
in comparison to consoles its very very expensive, i got a 1.5k rig and my girlfriend has the series x and it looks fantastic... its just limited feature and freedom wise
Got my 2080 OC from Asus new for about 700 literally two months before the the pandemic and crypto hit. It has proper DLSS support and enough power for my needs and carried me through a time where a GPU alone would cost you like an entire setup. It was pretty expensive back then and now you need to pay more than that for the "normal" version of a comparable worse card is just baffling
I’ve got my 1080 around 450-500 pounds back in the days and it’s an EVGA. Best card, crazy that a 4080 is 3-4x more
I think the 10x series upgrade language is directed at the steam hardware survey. a lot of 10 series cards there, so they are really trying to pull in those people, becuase they know the people that shelled out top $ for a 30x series are not going to see any value in an upgrade.
With EVGA leaving the market for GPUs I am firmly on team red and since I tend to skip generations I can easily avoid attempts at gouging me.
Next generation cards will be 1200 watts plus better buy a nuclear power plant before, I got me a 3070 TI for 500$ brand-new the week before the release of the 40 series at 1440p Cyberpunk 2077 Rays at high DLSS quality everything at high and ultra in between 78 and 85 FPS
evga will be there for us thats why they go full on for 5000w superquiet power supplies
I'm quitting gaming. Bought m2 mac mini. Buying a gaming PC if it will be cheaper and energy efficient
@@wonrei Yeah I have a Mac mini with both consoles. I also have a PC with a 5700 XT. I’m good. GPU prices are stupid.
I went team red as well for a similar reason and love my 7900 xt. I think $800 is fair for the performance jump I got over my 3070 which I paid almost the same amount for years ago.
18:29 Can confirm this is absolutely accurate, I have a gaming PC with an RX 5700. I wanted ray tracing, took one look at current GPU prices and bought a PS5.
does PS5 support ray tracing?
@@ehsanzare7515 no
@@ehsanzare7515 It supports it on a hardware level, but I don't expect adoption to be remain widespread due to the sheer performance costs that inevitably come with RT.
@@ehsanzare7515 It does, just obviously not to the extent of PCs with new flashy GPUs like the 4090
@@ehsanzare7515 Yes, that and NVMEs that use a DirectStorage-like feature were two of the main selling points of the PS5 and Xbox Series One X X Box Series One X or whatever the hell MS is calling it this time.
This was the best GPU review you have done in years, maybe ever. Thank you and keep it up! Love the labs influence going up
but no 3060 Ti or 3080 Ti numbers😐
GN's was better though XD.
all of these GPU reviews are basically the same. same talking points
@@joshuarowe8410 what kind of story telling adventure are you looking for with graphics card reviews?
Yes, I agree - a very thorough GPU testing job. I like that you compared across a swath of different monitor pixel densities and other parameter, and offered hints as to why various performance metrics perhaps came out the way they did. By the way, I'm pretty sure the first name of Ada Lovelace (supposedly the very first programmer) is pronounced with a long A as in Ay-duh. At least, that's how we always pronounced the DoD programming language Ada.
I have a suggestion. Put the card's typical price next to each entry on the comparison charts.
I upgraded my gaming rig from a 1050ti (now in my plex server) to a 3060 this week - I have 3 1080p, 60hz max displays that I really don't want to replace, so this made the most sense to me. The titles I have looked at so far with RTX on - have left me with a feeling of "who cares?" It seems far too much weight is being put onto ray tracing from the manufacturers side, when the users, really couldn't care less.
you should upgrade at least 1 monitor! the upgraded graphics wont do much good if you can only get a max of 60fps from the monitor
@@ryanakahuss I think you missed hte point - RTX hasn't showin itself to be anytihing to really care about.
But thats your opinion. Talk for yourself. You cant say « everyone think like me » that make you sound very narrow mind
Good choice, that RTX 3060 is one hell of a video card.
Just checked the prices for Europe, 1000€ for a 70 class gpu... Man this hits hard.
1300 CAD (+15% tax) here. Man, I remember getting my 1070 TI for 700$ CAD and thought that was expensive
I think someone is buying it, enabling, encouraging Nvidia to keep this greedy behavior.
they're making AMD consoles more attractive to the average consumer and focusing on making money from enthusiasts willing to spend big money. It's quite sad, really.
I actually really like the new testing graphs they seem far more professional and give a better overview of performance
I wish they did a price-to-performance graph like Tom's Hardware used to do.
@@morgan5941 I believe they addressed this on the WAN show stating that those wouldn't age well whereas performance graphs will genuinely stay mostly the same.
@@sophieosu They don't have to age well. They just have to be the current MSRP's. Tech videos in general don't age well. Who the hell watches old WAN shows?
@@morgan5941 Well... That's the problem isn't it? If they make the graphs for the GPU msrp, it's a poor representation if there was a GPU shortage and the prices doubled. It also doesn't take into consideration board partner cards which will be over MSRP anyways because the margins for MSRP cards are non-existent.
You want to impress me? Try this suck with ALL of the Witcher 3's Next Gen features turned on. Including Ray Trace. =P
I really appreciate the productivity graphs for solidworks, ect. 👍
I stumbled upon this video and want to thank you for making it. During the 90s-2000s I built multiple computers. Last one was over 11 years ago as I slowed down gaming. Recently started to look into building a new rig and most components were inline with my expectations. Once I saw the pricing for video cards, I decided to abandon the project. I am disgusted by the pricing set by nVIDIA and will not spend any money to support this practice. I hope they get what’s coming to them.
The reason why I’m still keeping my 12 year old pc, it is ridiculous
Second hand cards are so much cheaper
Now I understand why EVGA decided to cut ties with NVIDIA. They saw this coming a million miles away.
All the broken drivers and overheating on the 7900xt/x must be why they wouldn't even consider building for amd then I suppose. Though I do wonder how weak of a company evga had to be, being the lone wolf to exit a market that everyone else is managing to contend in. In any other industry when one company picks up their toys and goes home, it's that company. Not the one they were manufacturing for.
@@mattk6827 It was an ethics decision man. EVGA who had been a loyal and beneficial partner to NVIDIA for more than a decade decided it would not tolerate bad treatment (deteriorating ties with NVIDIA) anymore.
@@mattk6827 A companies long term succes often isnt due to high sales but consumer friendly ethics. Nobody is hating on EVGA for cutting ties they are hating on nvidia for all the shit they are pulling
@@mattk6827 EVGA never do AMD cards because AMD cards has 1/5 margin profits unlike Nvidia 5/5 Did you realize why before Ryzen, no laptop manufacturer do AMD laptop except HP??? That because nobody want to sell AMD laptop, margin profits is too low. All of this is business decision. Not because of problematic of AMD chips
@Ryuzaki Raiga what? It's not margins, it might be popularity/volume, but it's not margins. AMD literally went Chiplet to make CPUs and GPUs as good on margins as possible. Nvidia literally leaves
Can I just say whoever came up with the dotted line designating 60 fps, that's hugely helpful in getting the data in a glance.
I found them quite distracting when trying to compare individual GPUs though.
I can't even turn on Ray Trace on my games thanks to the FPS difference. Try 60 FPS on Witcher 3 with Ray Trace turned on. o_O I'm just glad I can play a game without my 3060 Ti spontaneously combusting into a fireball. =P
I notice that too I just didn't like that coloring as it overlapped with the color scheme of the 1% lows. If it was just gray/dimmer or something that would be nicer.
I've been very close to grabbing one of these as an upgrade to a 750ti. Now I think, I can wait a little longer and maybe do a bit more research.
17:51 NVidia apparently adjusted their pricing to the board makers - the very card you reviewed is $799.99 at NewEgg. The sad part is you almost can't get ANYTHING in a 3xxx series card (much less older) any more except as used.
I had intended to upgrade to the 30 series at its launch but the scalping price hike made that not feasible. And seeing the 40 series priced closer to the scalper prices of the 30 series I think my current gpu will stay in use for a while longer
its so weird like how are the 3080s the same price still as the new gpu's ....
1070Ti go BRRRRRRRRRRRR
why not get a 30 series now then?
Currently have a 1080 ti, probably will move to a 6800xt. Those are around $475 used right now and that seems reasonable to me.
@@Dustmuffins My 1070 Ti is still chugging, FSR does a lot for those cards
Stoked I literally just picked up a RTX 3090ti from eBay for $600 and wasn’t scammed!! Had me sweating seeing this released for just a bit more and I thought I’d be leaving all sorts of power on the table. This video got me feel real good about my purchase! 😅
And it's even better because Ngreedia doesn't get a cent of your money!
Damn, nice job. That card will do you well for at least 5 years. Don't be pining for the next thing, just enjoy what you've got :)
They are £1000 used here
Definitely a steal
Wait until you see 5000 series pricing. They need people buying their old tech from 2018 and 2020. So the prices have to go higher and higher. All while killing the planet with crazy high TDP.
I just had a GPU fail on me and was of the mindset that I was going to get a high end gpu this time around then I saw just how much they are obviously gouging. Ended up getting an older mid tier card (AMD) for less than half that cost. You make a good point that I am actually starting to consider. I stepped away from consoles a while back because the cost of the system seemed inflated and i liked the value of building gaming capability into a PC to make it an all around do everything tool but now the console has actually become the value proposition. Build a cheap but still capable computer without a GPU for browsing and minor tasks and then get a console to satisfy the gaming itch.
4090 2,000 dollars without tax... and the possible replacement of a power supply? You could literally buy 4 PS5's... Or a serious down payment on a car. NO Thanks
LTT Labs is making these charts look like testing is done by Gamersnexus, and I love it. Finally more comparisons than one-two other offerings from NVIDIA and AMD.
LTT is lightyears better than GN and HWU. Those only know games. LTT is light years more versatile.
@@ImtheIC I love LTT but that's simply not entirely true. GN gives facts straight and all technical details are there but Steve, with all his wisdom, can sound boring. HWU same at least for me. What LTT does is give info as digestible bites that the layman can understand but the experienced can appreciate but the super techy ones will find lacking or wanting.... until Labs came in.
@@ImtheIC As much as I love LTT; Their testing breakdown is a DUMBED-DOWN version compared to GN and HWU. I'm not complaining as I know LTT targets a wider audience.
RTX 4060RTX 4060 😻? Where will you come please tell me
@@ImtheIC ur insane
8:49 For Blender benchmarks, it would be better if you labelled what renderer was used. OptiX vs CUDA makes a huge difference for Nvidia, where OptiX can take advantage of the RT cores. CUDA and HIP only use the GPU for raw compute with no special hardware acceleration. Clarifying this difference would make it much easier to check your numbers against other benchmark data.
Agreed came here just for the blender bench marks
It's actually kind of sad to see how the 4070 ti preforms 3 months ago now that 7900xt are at $799 for some and 7900 xtx are at 899 if open box
Got a 4070TI open box - excellent from Best Buy for 750 with tax and free shipping. I wasn't initally going to get a 4070 but it just seemed to line up.
The last GPU I had was a 2080ti, that was an upgrade from a 9080ti. It wasn't that expensive, but what shocked me at the time was the power requirements and heat output. Combine that with a 5950x and the heat output from this combo was too much for me to game comfortably for very long. Looking at the latest from Intel and AMD and the any of the high-end GPU's and this situation is even worse today. Linus's comment about customer moving to consoles because of the price of GPU's is partly true, but is also the utterly ridiculous power consumption and heat output that need to change. I switched to an xbox series x and while it's not as fast as a PC, it's quiet and it was cheap, and I can run it for long gaming sessions without it pumping out a ton of heat. The games I play like cyberpunk run quickly enough. On a side note, while nobody would ever say the Mac is a gaming platform, out of interest I played No Man's Sky on the base model Mac Studio and compared it to the Xbox X and it was much faster, objects on the ground rendered much quicker and made gameplay so much better. And throughout the Mac remained silent and sips power. So while the Mac is no gaming platform it proves that it can game and do it with very reasonable power usage and heat output, so why can't PC's do this? For mainstream gaming to continue to prosper it has to become much, much more efficient, in terms value, power consumption and heat output. The current trends are simply unsustainable.
Loving these new charts. Having the top performer consistently at the top makes them easier to understand at a glance, rather than having to rely on reading the “lower/higher is better”. Very comprehensive video!
Oh yeah, I can't remember how long that's been. I finally stopped thinking him as a review channel, just because LTT didn't do as many benchmarks anymore, so it's cool he's trying to do comprehensive benchmarks again.
Im loving these final thoughts at the end of the reviews. Direct, honest and pretty much what a lot of people has in mind but has no far reaching voice like Linus.
No one else in the world has a voice like Linus....
Honestly, just did not expect those thermals from a card like that. I do like to keep all of my hardware in the below 75C mark, below 70 ideally for longevity reasons. Those temperatures are quite high...
I think a lot of the reason why people voted they had never used ray-tracing in that poll is because they have never had hardware that supports it w/ good performance. So I'm not sure the argument that the RT performance of the 4070Ti dosen't matter much really holds up, since a lot of the people that voted 'Never' probably would enable it if they had a card as powerful as the 4070Ti
i have the card and i would not return to non ray tracing
I skipped out on the big 2 this Gen and opted to go with an arc 16GB , TBH it hasn't disappointed. I'm not a hard-core gamer / graphics designer, but for my 32" 1080P LG it was a good upgrade from my RX580 8G. It doubled my frames in most games that I play with my sons and it renders just fine in my 3D printers software. And it seems it gets a little better with every new firmware intel pushes. And for less than $400 US. Something needs to give to bring these prices back down to earth. The high they were riding on crypto has their wires scrambled.
Give this guy your respects boys, what a madlad.
Exactly nvidia has lost their mind with these prices And its only alowing AMD to do the same Arc might not be a performer but damnit if it brings prices back down to earth im all for it
I really want to do the same actually I mean like... In my country atleast all other cards pretty much have trash value even second hand. And something very cool I think about arc is actually that the Ray tracing is pretty powerful! But on the other hand I'm still unsure about Intel not dropping the project they already demoted raja pretty much the head guy of the division not so long ago Not saying he did a good job or a bad job but I have not heard about anyone replacing him so that Is pretty scary.
I would have loved to buy that, but I ended up buying the 6700xt bc I don't have resizable bar
Bro how do you even use a 32" 1080p display Unless you use it from like 2 meters it's gonna look like shit I personally have a 32 1440p lg display and this resolution is barely enough, at least for me
Its insane that in the current year the gpu costs the same if not hundreds more than the rest of the pc
Outrageous prices that’s for sure
What is also insane is that 10 years ago top of the line GPU prices were just 400€ ~500€
@@draconk remember the 1080 too, an absolute beast of a GPU for its time and it was $699. Fucking wild we’ve come to this point.
@@Maverektresellers man…
Always been that way but consider everyone games now 20 years ago it was just us nerds, kids have better pcs than adults now
Your new graphs looks really good. The 60/120/... lines are a genius idea.
In future tests, could doing an fft in 1, 2 and 3 dimensions be added as a metric? Say time to transform a 10 GB sample?
This is one of the best graphics card reviews I’ve ever seen from LTT
Everyone involved in the changes to GPU reviews, great job. This one was really good.
tbh, Every single reviewer has the same take on this card. Gamer's Nexus was far, far more brutal than Linus, and pretty much no reviewer I'm away of has made any positive anything about this product.
@@JE-zl6uy I don't understand the bad reviews. The card does about 3090TI-performance for half the price and power-demand and only get beaten by AMD in non RT-games, while RT (and VR) is kind of the reason to buy such cards in the first place. And it's still just huge compare to a 2070Ti, so the price-increase is kind of justified by the size. And if the card would be 200 bucks cheaper would mean your old card it worth less as well while for that price I still get at least half the price back if I sell my 3080.
@@Leynad778 the reason is the price for the top and mid end is scaling up greatly each generation and the price-performance leap isn’t correlating with actual performance leap gotten from architecture and node shrink at the given amount of cuda cores/die size
@@Leynad778 do you know what else beats a 2070 TI? A 300$ 6650xt. Beating a 20 series card is no longer a achievement, especially for a 800$ card.
@@Leynad778 It performs about double compared to the 2070 Super, but also costs double. What's the point then? Where's the generational improvement? I was planning on upgrading my 2070 Super, but I don't see the point honestly with 1) this price, 2) the price to performance ratio, and 3) power consumption - just the card itself consumes as much power as my entire PC with the 2070 Super. And honestly I'm not even having any trouble running games with it maxed out at 1440p. I was also hoping it would have more VRAM, AMD is really beating them with 16GB.
To be fair, what percent of those who never used ray tracing also never had a card good enough to expect reasonable performance from it? I had a 1070 before my 3080, so I had no expectation of good performance with it on unless the game otherwise was ridiculously easy to run.
My thoughts exactly, it's kind of offputting the fact that he... didn't even recognise this fact? I used to have a 2060 until recently, and I couldn't even think about using ray tracing, so obviously I didn't, but now that I upgraded, I always do
Agreed. I went from a 1660Ti which couldn’t handle RT to a 3060 that still honestly couldn’t but I could at least get a look at what it might be like. Once I saw it actually in play I went for the 4070Ti and I am fully convinced it’s worth it. Granted I know it isn’t for everyone.
I upgraded from my GTX 970 to the RTX 2070 back to 2020 for about £500 and will likely not look at upgrading for a couple more years yet. Heres hoping that NVIDIA actually drops the prices of their cards back in line to what they were before the mining and scalpers caused the price hikes.
I have to say, Linus hits the nail on its head on this. “Good product, for Bad price, Produced by an Company that cant hide their ugly nature”.
If Intel could get a solid $500 card out, I could see them making a huge splash in the market.
intel lmao what?
@@MrFearlesskiller from their first launch it seems the main issue lies in their very undercooked drivers if they make decent gains in their drivers they could surely make a nice splash in the market
You still probably believe in the tooth fairy as well. It's not easy to make a "solid $500 card" being new to the scene.
@@MrFearlesskiller Well for 300$ or so ,it is a very good card. Especially if you like RT. If you do,than then there is nothing in that price range to compare to it. Asrock Phantom Gaming D A770 is 305$. It is around 3060 normaly. But in RT it trades blows with 3060Ti
if Intel could make a card performs like RTX4070ti, Intel will probably charge USD800 as well.
As a 4070 ti owner who has been gaming my entire life but has not kept up with the times the last 5-7 years. I mainly play cs go but wanted to play some AAA titles I've missed out on the last few years. I bought a 1060 6gb laptop to tie me over about 5-6 years ago and finally broke down and built a new pc. I did quick research and paired a 13600k with the 4070 ti. Have had it for about 1.5 months now and have played cyberpunk, hunt, redfall, and red dead 2. All have played awesome and I couldn't be happier. I got a little nervous after I built it that I made a mistake but after using it myself and seeing some of these benchmarks I'm happy with my choices also in my opinion the best performance for power build you can get. I don't intend on using it for 4k and will likely build another in 5-7 years. In all likelihood I'll be able to max out 1440 for that amount of time without a problem and if I have to turn a texture or two down at the end of its life I will. Should it have had 16 gb for the price well yes and I'm a little disappointed about that but the cache is like 16x more than the last gen so I think people are exaggerating the ram need. Also as games get optimized after release they will get better. Overall I'm happy and just wanted to give an opinion from someone who owns one. If I had a 30 series card I might hold out till 50 series but if you're building a new pc go for it I'm happy. And people will hate on frame gen or dlss 3 but if its single player to me it looks great and feels smooth. For something competitive I would never use something like that. For example I run medium setting at 1080 on cs go with a 165hz monitor and cap my frames at 320 because it reduces latency to .6-1.2 and uses 44 w. Also frames never dip below 200 even on the biggest spikes. CPU usage at those frames is like 10%.
When I built my new pc a few months ago I was wondering if I would be better off just waiting for the new gen midrange cards to come out , I'm glad I didn't wait.
Good you didn't wait because you got to game when you wanted to game, waiting for the next best thing is never a sure thing
it's amazing how still today cards like the 1080 or the 1660 are some of the best cards to buy with best cost/frame efficiency.
Yeah true i upgraded from 1050ti to 1070 and now rocking 3070ti 🤟🏻
But tbh for my use the 1070 would’ve been ok.
Having my 4090 made me appreciate my 1080 soooooo much more
As it was the last good generation from nvidia , every other time it has been the worst performance increase for the biggest price increase .
I kind of regret my used 1080 Ti purchase for 400€ though. The power consumption is insane and costs me about 1€/day. I should have spent more, even if it didn't look worth it. Really sad that even with crypto collapsing, prices are still insane.
Get well soon Linus. I hope you dont come down with something bad.
down baad
Glad I wasn't the only one that felt something was wrong
New Year's party 🥳
of course.. everyone is lying..polititians, doctors, companies...
i recently upgraded from my 3060 to the 4070TI model you tested, and I have to say, I am super happy. My 3060 used to run at around 70C at full load while the 4070TI barely breaks the 40C range. Also I would recommend adding stable diffusion to your GPU testing benchmarks, thats where I see the most noticeable improvement. I went from a few minutes to under a minute for some of my image generation
I can not stress enough how essential it is that Intel succeeds in this market. Honestly, for the average customer, the a750 is looking like a great purchase now that is drivers are improving.
Intel pisses off customers because of their inconsistency in literally everything. They are also to be blamed for making shite cpu and jacking the prices
Ain't the GPU division getting scraped or smt?
@@N_Joji it is not getting scrapped, intel confirmed it
@@yellowscarlightningscream8347 well i wouldn't trust any of these companies but I do hope they will push forward, fix drivers and release new products.
mate u have a point sure. but you are putting your hope in the most rotten company of all, Intel 🤣🤣🤣. what we need are new fresh companies with totally new architecture. Don't know, japan , korea etc. enough with this Duopoly.
It still blows my mind how massive these cards are, looking like a VCR in your desktop. Most of these are 4 slots now, and for what? Who are these for? I'm so glad I was able to get a 3070 (EVGA FTW3) at MSRP during the pandemic. I'm going to sit back and watch this generation, with a confused look on my face the entire time.
ngl same I got a 6600xt tho.
I think the size and the price suggests they are really struggling to innovate. Fundamentally a lot of the digital technology plateaued quite a few years ago and since then they've managed to continue to improve and refine it but nothing like the huge strides in clock speeds, ram, storage, etc that were being made from the 90s to 2010s. Ever since about 2015 they've had to find alternate ways of improving performance, some of them very clever, some of them quite crude such as just shovelling more and more and more cores onto something. But it's been a struggle. They've probably hit a wall with just how much performance they can get from fundamental technological improvements, so the only way is to make them better now is bigger and more costly. Maybe there's some other revolutionary big leap round the corner.... but probably not.
I wish I had that luck. I have been looking for a 3070 ti ftw3 for a decent price for 2 years now and I have gotten MSI Ventus 4070 ti for cheaper than the current listed price for the 30 series
I feel the same way, just mine is the TI. Great performance and runs every game well at max 1440p.
@@Hantzius I put my name on a list for a computer store, and just hoped I'd get called. On my day off, I get that call, they called me and asked if I was still interested, and if I was I had an hour to get it. Hell yeah! 😆 Apparently they had like 15 in stock (3070s, 3080s) and they happened to look on the list when it got down to the last handful of cards. I got lucky and by the time I got there my card was the only one left.
As ridiculously greedy as Nvidia is, its also expected behavior from them at this point and this generation has me more disappointed with AMD. They had the chance to put out normal priced cards and actually win a larger share of the market because everyone was excited for the 7000 series to be a good performer at a fair price. Instead, they followed Nvidias lead and went for higher margins leaving us with no good options for multiple years in a row.
Well now they have cards at more reasonable prices (relatively)
@@Dell-ol6hbits not reasonable at all.. The 1080ti back in the days was the best card / nvidia's flagship - high end ... and you could get it for 700-800€. Now you need to pay the same price for a 4070ti, while their new flagship is the 4090ti... the 4070ti basically stands for "low-mid" end cards... at this point. Imagine having a 3 generations newer low end card for the same price as the high end card while it can only offer 70-100% more performance.. It should bring like 200% more performance for 3/4 of the price to be on par with the 1080ti in terms of performance/money. big disappointment unfortunately
Like other people have already said, the new graph style is a much-needed improvement, helps the information clarity a lot! Also, love that you guys are always using relative performance to other GPUs now, provides a good summary of data whenever different games/programs features discrepancies.
This is why we need competitors. Nvidia and AMD are collaborating at this point on pricing. They might as well be price fixing.
A duopoly is just a monopoly with slightly different lettering.
Intel?
@@Dave102693 That's like comparing two big burly, battle hardened greedy and ugly men against a wee lad barely having object permanency
they were selling GPU under third parties names on amazon and ebay during the pandemic, they are really that scum for money, probably planning another alt coin mining fever to skyrocket prices again
@@Dave102693 sure but as we have seen Intel isn't a competition at this point
Just few month ago moved my 1070 Ti into the backup PC and upgraded my primary one with RTX 3070 Ti FTW3 from EVGA. I'm good for who knows how many years now. Can't squeeze that sick 4000 series brick in my PC anyway and not feeling like building some new system the size of my fridge. LOL
I know everyone is doing comparisons between the 30s and new 40 series GPUs but I think you really need to do a full blown video on comparing the 40 series to the 20 series and 10 series. Why? Because I know there are a lot of people including myself who didn't get a 30 series because of the whole scalper/crypto hoarding as well as non msrp debacle. I know a guy at my work who is still running a 900 series card. I think when compared to the 20, 10 and 900 series that 800 to 900 dollar price tag makes a much more compelling argument. It is still a s**t show with the insane cost of the new cards but I think that at the 800 to 900 mark the 4070ti seems rather tempting compared to the 4080 and of course the 4090. I'd love to see a video that breaks down which is best to upgrade to from these older card series.
I've noticed that some charts are sorted by Average, and others are sorted by 5% low (for example Hitman 3 @ 1440p 6:01 ). This is something that's a bit confusing when trying to follow the graphs. There should really be consistency or a clear indication how the graphs are sorted in the individual game's benchmark results. Otherwise, just seems like someone didn't hit the right sort in excel when extracting the data.
I guess we have to follow either one may be averages are better? Or 1%
Looking at the productivity graphs they seem to have sorted it by the average of all values, at 6:01 two cards have the same mean value so they have to choose
I think they are sorting by the combined scores(?) of all three lines. Whatever it is, it does make sense intuitively. High average fps is not as important if the gap between the lows and the average is way too big.
I noticed that too. Would be great to have a little up or down arrow with e.g. "1% low" in a top corner to show the sort. other than that, these graphs are much improved - very readable
The LTT team is to be commended on one of the best reviews of the 4070 Ti, especially given the current climate. The comparisons across competing GPU's, extensive game and productivity benchmarks, and actual vendor based pricing considerations, sets this review at the top. The real-world commentary is refreshing and I appreciate the effort by all LTT staff involved enabling me to make informed purchasing decisions for both business and personal hardware upgrades. Well done.
I liked Jayztwocents review as well. You can tell he's just over the pricing bs and his feelings match my own
Is this video not listed anymore? I can't find it through the search function.
I’m either going to get a rx 7800xt whenever it comes out or go with the rtx 4060ti when it comes out. I just can’t afford $900 dollar cards. My budget is $700 and years ago that was at the 980ti level but now they just keep getting more and more expensive. It’s depressing to see prices rise substantially over each new generation.
There are 6950xts for $700 on Newegg rn, seems like a solid option.
Love the new graphs! .. I was thinking about how to visualize performance of different cards in different games with different settings. In addition to the individual slides you already have I would appreciate a final overview combining all data points into one view. I think a matrix with color codings might be the way to go here. You could for example increase the saturation for cells with higher scores compared to others. This would make it easier to find patterns
indeed congratulations on improving the visual layout and also the labs really start to show their power here
Still not as good as Gamers Nexus’ charts imo, but LTT’s charts are definitely getting better.
@@FaceyDuck I would disagree, I love GN data, analysis, honesty & professionalism, but its charts are probably not the best in readability at least with my poor 1680x1050 TN screen
@@whismerhillgaming I would also disagree, I find GN's chart readability to be perfectly fine on my screen. But LTT's charts are definitely getting better.
I remember when I upgraded my first computer with a new gpu for 96usd and I could crank up all the settings in the latest games to ultra with no problem! Sad how we have to pay more than 10x that price today and not even being able to get a steady 60fps.
What card was it?
I remember trying to play games like DayZ and BF3/4 on my school laptop with integrated graphics. Then built my first tower for $400 with a AMD FX-6300 and Sapphire 270X. Boy was it magical playing a game a 1080p above 30fps. Good times.
@@sean9267 The FX-6300 :D Man, we sold more of those than any other CPU ever, and for a longer time. They just worked, and at a low price. The 270X was also a great card for the money. You made good build decisions.
pretty sure i got my first gpu for 2 chickens and i ruled all of azeroth
@@williamdunkley5791 Anyone who rushed dark knights ruled all of azeroth. You didn't even need a GPU. Even a Tseng Labs 512KB ISA card would do the trick.
An actual fair review - the only issue I have is not addressing that price gouging has been going on since the 10 series. The last good 'value' was the gtx 900 - you had a sizeable price jump moving from the 900 to the 10-series. Then that price jump allowed them the overcharge even more with the 20, then fall back to the overpriced baseline set by the 10 series for the 30 series.
Dang, at 1:30, I've never felt the words "right out of the gate" more than in that moment
Man, when they announced the 3080 it felt like such a great stride for the company. Incredible performance at a solid price Feels like ages ago
i remember when they first showed 3060 beat the 2080ti at a wayyy cheaper price but now theres no hope of a 4060 that can beat the 3080 or 3080ti
@darkreaper0604 worse than that, the pour souls who paid $400 for a 3060 knowing the value was bad at the low end, because getting a card at msrp in February 2021 was nothing short of witchcraft.
3080TI was terrible pricing, their pricing has been nothing but garbage since the pandemic. they literally just doubled the prices of all their cards and kept it that way.
@@Reaperzx6 the 4060 would beat the 3080ti, however it would cost more.
@@sebastianjennings1159 yeah i recently just bought a 3070ti for $300 used. It works perfectly! I think people should buy used if they cant afford MSRP then sell and buy a new one when they can. Nonetheless, buying gpus or pc parts in a whole is kind of a waste unless youre working from home. People fail to realize that video games are a complete waste of time if abused. Ill be selling this 3070 for the same price i bought it then in turn buy a new one in 2 years.
Gotta love that the price increase has doubled every gen since the 10-series. 200$ increase from 3070 sounds insane! Especially since they wont sell FE cards and the cards available to consumers most likely wont match msrp...
There is no inflation.
I feel like this is another little hiccup like to 400 series was. I think if we wait for a while it's all gonna stabilize again. We just need to stop buying them.
it's actually $300 increase, 3070 msrp originally was $499
@@klrct5736 It's never gonna go back down, People proved that when people were buying ps5 double the price. Nvidia knows this and they won't change.
@@Steven-yf2ef this is because its not likely a console gamer will fight the system by purchasing an entire pc at 4 times the cost. however buying a console for a fraction the cost and saying fuch it?
Funny part for me. Being able to play Steam games in Japanese (I am learning the language) is driving me to do all my gaming on PC and my XSX is gaining dust. Though based on the pricing, might be better served getting a second XSX and setting it to Japanese region only instead of looking at building a new gaming PC for the basement...
My stance is to focus on other and more important things than gaming at higher resolutions/speeds. If more people decide to say F that $h!t and refuse to pay for ~$1k+ cards, either the prices will come down or other innovotion will occur, and/or developers will spend more time optimizing for current products that people own rather than requiring people to vastly upgrade to play games with enough power and stability. I've been spending the last couple months or so working on building guitar playing skills and music theory and don't need a powerful GPU (or really any separate GPU component) for that, and it's been far more rewarding than learning how to optimize and beat video games.
See at the end of the day we as gamers need to realize that devs will target their bottom line first, consoles are the driver of game sales and revenue for devs. PC's due to piracy are not a huge source of revenue, add in the "necessary" sales by steam to make sales it becomes more compelling to serve the Console market first. So games get optimized for being run on consoles first then on PCs so you need console level hardware if you plan on playing the newest titles. The biggest example of this is elden ring. they knew PC will drive sales because of dark souls yet they still optimized for PS5 first then for PC. Albeit they came back and optimized it for PC too but most devs wont bother unless their game is very very popular. TLDR: we can whine all we want devs are gonna focus on consoles so we need to atleast match the console hardware to play the latest and the greatest titles
This was the exact same case last year with the 3000s series card, 3rd party OEMs even stated their MSRP was unobtainable.
If you look at it they planned it, the 2070 super already cost almost as much as a GTX 980 cost, then a RTX 3070ti cost even more than a 980 cost, and finally get this. Even if nVidia "dropped" the price to $700, that's still them clearly planning to charge *at least* $100 more every single generation. And no, it's not fucking inflation Jesus Christ. There was no inflation making them charge that much for the RTX 2080. There was no inflation making people buy used 1080tis instead because they gouged prices so much compared to performance. The inflation (i.e. corpo price gouging when they realized everyone would just blame increased prices on inflation) hadn't set in yet when they announced that $600 MSRP for the 3070ti, a card that couldn't even perform as awell as the $580 RX 6800, and that was fully $100 above the MSRP of a card I'd already passed on 2 years prior because I thought it was a bit much, and that was when I was comparing in $50 segments. No AMD isn't better either, that is correct. AMD is just not as brazen, usually. Zen3 when they dropped the stock coolers though, that combined with adding a cost made it effectively $100 more expensive than Zen2, plus people complain about the 5600x cost compared to 2600 and 1600x and 3600x. So, I think that was trying to profit off those of us on AM4, who'd be buying it anyway (hence the cooler didn't make sense). Maybe it was a wise thing, coolers are back for Zen4 right? On AM5? But either way, I'm not praising them when they're being greedy. It's just nVidia is so brazen about it, it's like they're personally daring you not to buy it. So I won't.
30 series came out fall of 2020 or 2.25 years ago but were hard to find at retailers until spring of last year/2022. I think you meant to say 4 series OEM's stated MSRP is unobtainable.
@@pandemicneetbux2110 It all ties in with the fact that, if you have the best/fastest product and no competition, you can charge whatever you want for it. Because there's no alternative from a competitor. Plus the fact that global focus is on maximizing corporate profits at every cost, including human lives, instead of of maximizing human happiness.
@@Weshwey_ Sad hell this world we live in.
@@Weshwey_ It's not without competition is the thing. In some metrics apparently there's AMD cards beating nVidia at native resolution raytracing same price bracket now. So they're even closing that gap. That's just the thing--they're not better. They're not unchallenged. Buyers are just bydlo morons, willing to be led by the nose. The 3070ti itself was bad value. It's not just the bad value of this generation all around, but even within that bad value for example the 7900XTX is clearly competing with the 4080 in performance but beating it in price. That's what has me so baffled, is the 3050 was selling for $100 more than the much, much better performing RX 6600. >but muh features A 3050 isn't strong enough to do RT regardless, it's basically a GTX level card in all but name. That's my point. They realized they can shovel any manure and someone will buy at least some of it.
Appreciate the whole upgrading bit near the end. As someone finally looking to upgrade and finally in a financial position to upgrade again, even ARC will be a massive upgrade from my 2015 GTX950M I'd been dailying for the last 7 and a half years. I think Nvidia forgets this demographic exists and if I have a good experience finally upgrading and going intel or AMD, I'll likely not bother with Nvidia in the future because too expensive
Went all AMD 8 years ago and since bulldozer "yes that mess, my system performed fine IDK why people hated it . . . " and I never went back to intel/nvidia. NO REGRETS, I'm loving ryzen and radeon, make the jump when you can :D
I want to upgrade from a GTX 770 to a used RTX 2070 Super or above (within 2000 series), but it's being very hard to find used cards at a fair price in my country. Radeons seem to be a better deal price wise, however, I need the CUDA capabilities for production work. If only AMD or Intel would step up their game in that regard...
@@ThePortuguesePlayer I managed to get a 3060ti from Nvidia at RRP so if you could do that I'd highly recommend as it trades blows with the 2080 Super.
@@asdfghjklkjhgfdsa69 I'm avoiding anything higher than 2000 series. 3000 series are generally more expensive in my used goods market and there are many other disadvantages that come with them regarding my usecase. For most other people, a 3000 series is probably a better deal, though.
The AMD 6000 series is a hell of a lot cheaper than the newest offerings from anyone and as long as you don't care about ray tracing (ie. most people) it's incredibly good value at 1080 or 1440.
For me it's a question of investment and saving money. I bought 3070 ti gamerock (very good card) for ~1000 euros here in europe in July 2021. And now I can see 4070 Ti Gamerock (which is better in material base and cooling) for 900 euros. So the faster I sell my 3070 ti (hopefully close to 750 euros), the better the odds of me getting some of my money back for a card which was bought far closer to it's MSRP. And yeah, it's more energy efficient. P. S. 4080 start at 1200 euros
Very true about pushing pc gamers to consoles. I couldn't afford to upgrade my PC (If i upgraded the GPU my pc is to old and I would have had to upgrade the CPU as well) Went looking to just buy a brand new pc and everything is way over priced for very little performance. I picked up a PS5 and am very happy. I still want to get a new machine but prices are just out of control even for low end computers. Even with "Deals" mid range gaming pc's are hundreds of dollars more than a console. I will get a new PC because ultimately like to have the versatility of a PC over a console but it looks like it is still a ways off.
When it comes to productivity I'd go for a 3090ti or even a 3090 over the 4070ti because of the VRAM, when rendering stuff in Blender etc you really don't want to run out of it since it goes quite a bit slower when it has to offload on the system memory instead.
Aaaand youre comparing a highest end card with a not highest end. Technically the performance is high but its still doesnt have 90 at the end of its name. My rtx 2070 used to be cool, today in 2023, its half the performance of 70 name.
@@fynkozari9271 The reason they are compairing it is because they are the same price right now.
@@fynkozari9271 they're the same price. The naming means nothing at all
@@fynkozari9271 The 4070ti USED to be called the 4080 then they slapped a different name on it. Are you actually stupid? Like did you just not watch the video?
If you want to productivity.. buy a 4090ti. they are cheaper than a 3090ti. and when your budget is 1200$ or so for GPU why wouldn't you go for a 4090ti..
I need to say, I love that your GPU comparison also includes (hopefully) realistic dimension comparisons! Whoever did opt for this on your team, please give him my acknowledgement.
dimension comparisons? wait like the physical size of the cards? where?
What do you think is the best option for max 1000 dollars? I play games and edit videos 50/50% I do video editing in davinci resolve studio I have seen videos of 4070 ti with vram and memory buzz issues. Both in game and in davinci resolve. 7900 xt which has constant problems with it getting the program and play to restart. Could it be that a used 3090 card is still the best option?
I’m looking to upgrade from a 1080 and use a 1440p monitor and VR (especially VRChat) a lot, so despite the disappointment that was cast upon the 4070ti, it looks like the right card for people in my position especially because 10 series cards don’t have DLSS to take advantage of which can improve gameplay. Also I’ve seen a decent prebuilt with the 4070ti at $1800, which isn’t a bad price for the performance.
been there, bought the 1800 prebuilt, no regrets whatsoever. This pc is is so silent at 165Hz for all the FPS I played, I am now thinking to upgrade to a 1440p aswell because this pc can absolutely handle it. I m glad I made the purchase tbh. Just a stranger agreeing with your take.
1660 Super gamer here lol I'm also planning to build my new/2nd PC as my old one I built back in 2012 is now dead. (Rip) I want to play in 1440p on 144Hz and I actually think the 4070 Ti is the only card that is the most attractive one. (Except prices, those are 💩 anyway)
Same here!
In the exact same position as you. Was gonna get a 3080 at first, but the price for a 3080 and 4070ti are the same where I'm from and the 4070ti has better performance. Kind of a no brainer
Bro its amazing for 1440p hdr. This is a great card for exactly that and that is why I built with this card. Gigabyte Gaming OC 4070 ti is phenomenal and runs super cool as well. Decent overclocking too.
I understand that the graphs are now more intricate due to LTT Labs being brought into the fold. But can I request that future graphs have markers that coincide with what the host is saying? I.e. @ 5:52, Linus talks about the 4070 "closing the gap among its older siblings". It would be nice to see some arrows to point to where these "older siblings" are in the graph. Otherwise, I will have to scan through the extensive graph to see where they are, making it more like a class lecture or an RTS game than a form of entertainment. I'm no PC part connoisseur, and I know some folks will say "just pause the video", but the whole idea of it being a presentation is so that I don't have to pause it and it flows along with the speaker.
I think it was quite obvious as to what Linus was referring to as "older siblings". The 4070 Ti, the card being reviewed here, is always bolded AND circled out in the graphs. I think they are doing more than enough for the graphs to be as readable as possible, all without them being too obnoxious.
Easier to read graphs is always welcome! I think your suggestion is solid.
he says "bigger siblings" so it's pretty obvious...
@@jopa3895 We know which cards they’re talking about, but in the sea of cards, I shouldn’t have to be looking for them, I should be focusing on the text.
I don't even pay attention to the graphs anymore because they're too confusing, something like your suggesting would be helpful!
I remember when $500 was an insane price for a GPU.. 15 years ago the NV 8800 GTS was top tier and $450. Sure designs have got more complex, but at the same time manufacturing cost keep going down as well. At this point, anything above $750 for the top top tier GPU is price gouging.
Right?? The $200-250 was the sweet spot. And it got bumped by $50-150 every generation until they're now in the triple digits. 😐 The worst thing is that older generations don't come down in price when a newer generation comes out. I don't understand why... Is it the crypto mining thing or just greed? Probably just greed.
500 dollars back then were also worth a lot more than 500 dollars are worth now, that's how inflation works.
@@Nobody-su9km I took that into account when I said more then $750 ;-) in 2008 500 USD would be 681 USD today..
@@AtomicOverdrive did you also took shortage of eletronic components into account? Or the cost per chip of smaller more complex technology?
@@AtomicOverdrive and it would be 700, not 681
Please compare 1080 and 1080 ti to 40 series cards which have a similar power consumption during gameplay
the 6950 XT was also very close to many gaming tests against the 4070 Ti, and is currently priced at ~$680 USD. 20:20 and the 7900 XT is now at the same price as the 4070 Ti: $800... welp. I think I know what to go for, again, on black friday
Purchased a 1070Ti for 600 AUD at the end of 2018 and if I were to spend $600 again (4 years later) all I can afford from Nvidia is a 3060 (
1070 Ti is such a legendary card.
@@Alex-bl8uh my 1070ti is dying :( gonna have to put the beast to sleep soon
@@brandonr2188 out here with a 980 still going strong lol
@@brandonr2188 mine is dying now too. sadly the same games don't even run medium settings now.
I have a 1080 ti strix.... I got a 4090 gaming x trio (high oc) and wasn't all that impressed. Seemed like a negligible increase in performance across the board. Games would just utilize 50-75% of the gpu, otherwise frame rate increases again were negligible in a lot of scenarios. I sent it back.
I genuinely do appreciate OS Version/Patch/Driver Version being put on visual benchmarks. It adds context. I think is the time I start looking at ebay for 3080/3090 series cards, I keep seeing some pop up starting at £500. Anything is an upgrade for me from a GTX 980
I remember when it was possible to get a xx70Ti card for $400. Nowadays it's lucky if it's less than twice that amount.
1080ti was truely the greatest leap in performance wouldve still been rocking it for a few more years but unfortunatly had to give up my pc
I'm happy with my $575 MSI 6800xt. Upgrading right now or even in the next couple years just doesn't seem worth the absolutely terrible pricing that they are trying to force down our throats right now. Maybe Intel will shake up the game some more in that time. Who knows.
I've got a 5700xt and I have no regrets, welcome to tribal team red.
Yeah rn there is no upgrade to make, it's all a downgrade when you consider the price increase to perf increase
I managed to get a 6700xt used for $259 in October. It'll realistically be at least 5 years before I would "need" to upgrade it.
In Europe, the cheapest 4070 Ti is priced at 1000€ right now... (and the average price is 1200€ in general for the 4070 Ti)
I just bought a 4070 ti for $800 and this will probably be the last gpu upgrade I do, if I upgrade in the future, it will be used and at least a couple generations behind, just like I used to do in the past, this prices are just unsustainable for gamers.
Which brand? Msi, asus etc?
@@fluzzles MSI
Its just insane that a half decent gpu costs about a 1000 Euro now. When rtx 30 series was released you could reall get a good pc for a great price (in theory at least), but consoles are looking more attractive every day.
I'm still rocking a gtx 1080 I bought used in 2018 for $300. most of the 10XX series cards almost seemed like the perfect sweet spot for price to performance IMO.
Yep. That's me too. Red Dead Redemption still looks amazing at 1080p on ultra. Want a 1440p card, maybe with a high refresh rate monitor when I hop on less demanding multi-player games like Overwatch or Deep Rock Galactic, but no fucking way am I dropping this much of a bag when I already love my set up
The whole 10 series was and still is a beast. From performance to longevity to value for money those cards were the last hurrah for us gamers.
I wanted an upgrade to my 1070 but after the disappointing holiday sales (if you can call it that) I gave up. Still wildly overpriced.
Bought a nice PNU XLR8 triple fan 2080ti used for like $260 in October last year , I have it in my PC and finally retired my 1080ti to the second PC. For the money nowdays there are so many good deals on used GPUs that it’s tuff to ever justify buying a new GPU. Although I’m not gonna lie I don’t see the hate about the 4070ti here it’s 3090ti performance that was using 185 watts while gaming!! Like that’s amazing it’s expensive but I’d love to have one and if I was on a 1080ti still and wanted a 3090 ish card I’d buy a 4070ti for sure
yeah , rocking with 30 fps max.
Day by day, the 3060Ti which I bought in October seems like an amazing buy compared to the new generation.
Yeah I'm kicking myself for not grabbing a 3060 ti FE when they were readily available.
Same here.
I'm even more happy to "steal" a used 1080 last year, considering the bullshit is still going strong on the market
same
At this point getting an older GPU is probably much more sensible than paying the silly prices for a new one, no matter what you plan to do with it.
smart of nvidia to market it as an upgrade to 10 series. up until this year i was perfectly happy with my 1070. but the mobo and hdd is getting old as well, so it's about time for a full swap.
Me with my i7 3770, 16GB RAM and 1660 Super can agree. Gonna build my new/2nd PC in the upcoming months.
Thank you for doing the 1080 comparison. I've been running a GTX 1080 for a long time and just bought a 4070ti strix I do play at 2k
So glad I got a 3080 at MSRP 2 years ago. Looks like another generation to skip, just like I did with the 2000 series.
Still rocking 1070 lol
same here, and im still really happy with the performance the 3080 offers
Same. I managed to snag a 3080 for MSRP i'm not doing this with nvidia this generation. If AMD fixes their vapor chamber issue, i'd consider them over nvidia right now. (especially being as I kinda want to go to linux full time since gaming is getting really close there.)
I bought a used 3080 for $500, Asus TUF OC too
Same, got my 3080 for just a bit over msrp last year and boy, it seem I got lucky with price to performance. I wouldn't pay more that $650 or $700 for the 4070ti.