Thank you so much for this, finding a comfortable grip on a mouse has always been a struggle for me, thanks for showing the touching points, especially the knuckles (2-3) I needed this!
@lebronzejames9738 Жыл бұрын
There is a weakness I have found after using the optimal grip for about 3 years, and that would be needing to micro down. I have since transferred to a fingertip grip, but pushing my mouse at a diagonal with my thumb, so the mouse can be stable on the right side of my palm. I found this grip provides me with consistency, and better control towards my weaker sides. The downside with this grip is that you lose a little micro to the right side, but for me that is fine because it is my most consistent and accurate side. The point is that everyone is different and there is no such thing as an optimal grip, but rather you should tailor your grip so it can accommodate your weaknesses in your aim while maintaining a natural and comfortable feel.
@brandonjohannes7919 Жыл бұрын
That’s good input bro. Salute.
@themainevnt3419 Жыл бұрын
For me, In this grip (With a mixed aim style, AKA wrist and arm aimming) my arm and wrist just don't move together well, I hit places where im "stuck" while tracking but when im in the range where its good its GOOD. Thing is, there are just certain things i can't do that i want to (especially in aim trainers) where i just don't have the range of motion to do them. I feel limited and don't like that. I notice in a weird type of "finger tip / claw" grip i use, where the whole back of my palm is off of the mouse i can move everywhere and anywhere without any "stuck feeling", But i just can't figure out why because its really not much of a change compared to the old claw grip i was using. Im guessing its some sort of bio mechanical issue where something just "opens up" when i switch to the new grip. It seems i don't sacrifice any control and only gain with this grip, but because im so "free" i end up out of my "optimal" ranges alot more and end up playing with my mouse at the very bottom of my mouse pad instead of the middle where it is with the other grip, I guess it just means i need to make the whole mouse pad my "opitmal range" but thats the only "hit" to my aim ive noticed.
@WorldKeepsSpinnin Жыл бұрын
Basically, your point is, every person will not totally benefit from the same/grip/position. Hence, there is no such thing as an "optimal mouse grip". I agree! I said up there in an OP: "First, the best mouse grip is actually having a mouse that fits in your hand well, to perfectly." I use a claw/tip grip. (I am right-handed.) My arm/hand points slighty to the left, which positions my mouse pointing a little to the left. For me, that allows a FAST perfect horizontal swipe from left/right and right/left. Also, my sensitivity is set up so as to only move my wrist. Little things can make a difference for each individual. For instance, if most people tested their movement distance, a right-hander may see that flicking 180 from center to left involves less mouse movement than flicking 180 from center to right. That was true for me. So, I taught myself to 180 flick left. (Of course, I may still flick right here and there.) Also, many people drag their pinky (or pinky tip) on their pad and don't even realize it. That was also true for me. I broke that habit by taping my pinky and third finger together. Heh heh! I don't do that anymore, but now that's not a problem for me. Different things can make a difference for each individual. As you pointed out, there may be pros and cons, but the point remains.
@netzoned Жыл бұрын
@@WorldKeepsSpinnin OK, I don't know if I can really help you. I mean, I bet my whole setup is different from the standard consensus. So, I will just write whatever. The main things people seem to be focused on now are grip, DPI, report rate, and low latency. (That, also in regards to system latency, FPS, and frame time.) Me, I have an old G-900: 1600 DPI; 1000 polling rate; no pointer precision. ASIDE: I never max FOV. I probably set in-game sensitivity higher than most people regarding and in relation to everything else. I do that to minimize mouse movement as much as possible but without over-shooting. I use my grip/wrist to move/aim. It's so rare my mouse comes off the pad I don't even think it ever does. From what I read, and I read it more than once, what seems to hinder you is too much mouse movement/distance. I don't know your system specs, but I can suggest - and maybe this is already true - whatever your monitor native resolution and refresh rate is, make sure your system/game supplies the FPS that equals the refresh rate. Depending, it may matter if it goes over. There are things to consider regarding that: Any kind of sync such as g-sync and vsync. Do you use the driver control panel, or not, for each game? Is your GPU usage at 99%? Do you use a frame limiter, such as RivaTuner. There is a lot to look into. Have you already set up everything the best you can regarding system latency, FPS, frame time, mouse DPI, polling rate, and in-game mouse sensitivity? You can also figure out how to correspond settings to different games so they match from game to game, so you are not good in one game and lacking in another because of different _feel._ You may already know all about everything, but since you did not mention it, I threw it out there.
@netzoned Жыл бұрын
Don’t care didn’t ask claw is the best
@Jason-ip6wq Жыл бұрын
Had a issue with finding a proper mouse grip for years. Tried every type of grip, mouse and mouse pads. finally found a perfect grip for myself from this video. man feels good
@dawsonchan670 Жыл бұрын
I'll have to give this a try
@Clanps3 жыл бұрын
man, thank you alot, you can't imagine the way you just helped me right now, I instantly improved my flicks by that vídeo and the other about flicking, I already had a really ok/good tracking but poor flicking and it helped me alot
@levelzz5553 Жыл бұрын
I used to use the optimal grip but since everybody used palm grip i switched big mistake. Usualy people just say that each grib has pros and cons but they dont list them. Thank you really helped my accuracy went up by around 5 % and my worst accuracy stabled at around 50%
@peep15183 жыл бұрын
Controller players: Hmmm..... interesting
@okaoki3 жыл бұрын
Imagine playing competitive shooter games with a controller
@nrkapa3 жыл бұрын
@@nrkapa I'm not sure but maybe some people do that because they practiced their aim on controller without aim assist for a long time.
@pablotherobloxadventurer46213 жыл бұрын
@@pablotherobloxadventurer4621 its literally impossible to be as good on controller like mouse
@mrsxber19163 жыл бұрын
Me 😂
@tobinontoaster43443 жыл бұрын
@@nrkapa snipe down would know
@callmeacutekitten33173 жыл бұрын
I've pondered mouse grip for years as well, and recently I've kinda had a breakthrough I think. I also used to "anchor" my mice around the ringfinger knuckle part of the palm, or at least tried to because with many mice it's real awkward to do so as you probably know. I think I started out like that because the Logi G403 was my first mouse used in shooters and its pronounced hump made that grip possible and comfortable, but in turn I developed a kind of aversion to mice touching the fleshy part at the base of the thumb. For years I encountered mice that just wouldn't work right, like the Roccat Kone Pro which was an otherwise gorgeous mouse but I just couldn't unlock its full aiming potential with my grip as it was. So a couple weeks back I took the plunge and started anchoring it at the fleshy part of my palm (so, only rly the lower left part of the mouse touches my palm) and lo and behold, something just clicked in my brain when the mouse was more "to the left" within my hand. I found better spots for my pinky and Ringfinger, it was overall much less exhausting to use for a couple hours at a time, it didn't continually recede back into my palm when holding it like this (big issue with many mice without a juicy hump in the back when shoving them into your palm's right side), and somehow the position of the sensor within my hand was more in sync with how my hand moved in response to what was seen on screen. Wiggle room was still plenty, maybe even a little higher because of how stretchy the new anchor point is. That opened up a number of mice that it'd just written off and I can only recommend everyone to experiment with wildly different ways to position mice within the hand because you never know which combination works out with your particular hand shape & size.
@subjecttochange93202 жыл бұрын
Likewise bruva, I still have a few issues when pulling my mouse down into this fleshy part of my thumb where sometimes the fleshy part will almost obstruct or even get caught underneath the mouse when playing, does any of your knuckles touch the mouse with the new style? thanks for your insight man
@supisal34012 жыл бұрын
This is the comment I needed, I have struggled for almost 2 years now switching and changing my grip style and I have been down the exact path you were I used to anchor with the right side of my lower palm and noticed inconsistency. I started using the fleshy part of my thumb although weird at first I really felt like i had control of where my sensor was going. My only issue now is that its gets a bit sticky and sometimes the skin of my thumb begins to go under my mouse and pinch me. Thank you for backing up my belief that this grip can work for other people.
@hawkeye31603 ай бұрын
@@supisal3401 I think it depends on the mouse, but not really, maybe one with a particularly high hump like the G403, or probably a Zowie ZA would (conjecture because I never owned one) Btw I currently main the Cooler Master MM731 because of its courageous departure from the Zowie EC ergo shape and especially the more forward sensor if you're wondering (beware of the gnarly Software though lmao. luckily you can set and forget about it for the most part, unless you like to switch binds around all the time)
@subjecttochange93203 ай бұрын
@@hawkeye3160 Happy I could help fellow gamers with this :)
@subjecttochange93203 ай бұрын
Do you keep your wrist planted on the mat as you move, and have it behave like a pivot point? I’m terrible at micro adjustments, and will often overflick short distances. Could doing that help?
@thebulletkin83932 жыл бұрын
Straight to point and good content. Amazing as always Kovaak :D
@imflavo3 жыл бұрын
A strange thing happened to me where my hand seemed to force evolve my grip for me. I had been comfortably playing something of a loose fingertip grip on a small mouse (UL2) with larger hands (20x10 cm) for a while (with good results) until suddenly my hand just didn't like the grip anymore. I would feel like I couldn't hold my mouse right. And then the only grip that started to feel good (could still aim well and hold the mouse securely) was the optimal/claw grip you've highlighted.
@capt3n7252 жыл бұрын
I use a palm grip, changed my grip to this one to go through my KovaaK's playlist today. I just got new highscores in all scenarios by a significant margin. It also feels like it doesn't tense my arm up as hard as the palm grip. Thank god for this video lol.
@alvarovilela66982 жыл бұрын
Nice but you probably want to look into to a new mouse though. A mouse you can palm grip isn't very specialized for claw/optimized.
@r4nowo Жыл бұрын
@@r4nowo I did change a few months ago to a more versatile mouse. From a G402 to a Logitech G Pro Wireless. The G402 was kind of weird to hold unless you use a palm grip and the G Pro suits pretty much every grip.
@alvarovilela6698 Жыл бұрын
Luckily this is the natural grip I use when I switched from console to pc. Although it was subconsciously influenced cause I saw that most good aimers played a sort of claw fingertip hybrid in handcams it quickly became natural because I had no prior experience with a mouse.
@eakmadashma3 жыл бұрын
i completely agree with you, i also switched from console to PC and it just felt natural
@Lucky-eg3ro3 жыл бұрын
Better to be a well read beginner than someone with long standing bad habits
@kneecapp91863 жыл бұрын
@@kneecapp9186 2k hours of cs go I fall into the second category Sometimes i aim really good other times i cannot get 1 kill
@not_exodus95372 жыл бұрын
I actually do a weird holding style, I do palm grip, but my fingertips are raised just enough, so I can make micro adjustments, mostly used for spraying in csgo
@danielmiller5277 Жыл бұрын
Naturally my hand fits over my mouse like this! Thanks for letting me know I’m not doing anything wrong lol
@Kyloxvi2 жыл бұрын
Can you make a video talking about mouse shapes? Optimal, pros and cons of humps, etc?
@jnzed94 Жыл бұрын
I grip my mouse with basically a fingertip grip but i also push the mouse's back left corner into the meat of my thumb so it's a 6 point grip.
@thecheneral973 жыл бұрын
Same here 😳😳
@bablu22273 жыл бұрын
same
@cyborg37803 жыл бұрын
Well apparently I’ve been using the right wrist placement and mouse grip subconsciously since I first switched to MnK a few weeks ago. No wonder my aim already felt so smooth and consistent despite being so new to using a mouse for FPS.
@ailurii Жыл бұрын
I used this mouse and literally the same mouse grip before I watched this video. I think its because of the glorious model o that i use and that it is too big for fingertip grip so I balance it with a claw hybrid. The knuckes are kind of for support (atleast in my experience).
@dallincory72872 жыл бұрын
I think that the optimal one looks like a pincer claw grip. Using and loving it
@f4rs0t903 жыл бұрын
Palm contact = carpal stab claw , but okay.
@Divinity_vA3 жыл бұрын
Could you offer some advice on how to best use this grip on a GPro Wireless mouse?
@poionic66922 жыл бұрын
wait is the optimal grip is like claw grip or hybrid grip (relaxed claw)? let me know. ty
@jace83322 жыл бұрын
this was the grip I used when i didn't know the types of grips of mouse XP T o T
@user-hq6nw7py1x3 жыл бұрын
I always seem to change grips between claw and 2 types of finger tips...1 where it's like shown in the video and the other a more relaxed and only the tips of my fingers touch while the rest of my hand has a huge gap from the mouse so it's like I am pushing the mouse away. I can't palm grip, my hand just doesn't work that way...too awkward.
@cfjlkfsjf3 жыл бұрын
alternative title: relaxed claw showcase
@petarbrlek32783 жыл бұрын
I’m literally giving up playing m and k. I have incredibly large hands (23 L 12.5 w). I’ve tried the deathadder v2 from a friend, g403, g903, g502. Nothing fits and aiming feels incredibly awkward. I try clawing fingertip etc but I just don’t have that feeling that I have full control of my crosshair. If only companies would give ppl like me an option for a suitable mouse. ( btw I have 400 hours in kovaaks so I’m totally convinced that my hand size is holding me back in terms of aim) Update: finally found the mouse I needed. It’s the Corsair rgb pro wireless. I have no idea how it fits me perfectly and my aim feels natural and smooth af. Srsly for guys that have big ass hands this is a must buy if you want to have good aim
@cummersemen37863 жыл бұрын
That's a tough situation! Deathadder v2 is quite large, shame that wasn't a good fit. The hand in the video is 20.5 L 10.5 W and the Model D feels great if that provides any perspective at all. This blog may be helpful for you -themeta.com/blog/2020/8/27/optimising-your-mouse-width-with-a-simple-mod
@TheMeta3 жыл бұрын
Have you tried shroud's G303? It looks very chunky and it's actually pretty light.
@Sharkcomet Жыл бұрын
Something I’ve always wondered is how do you plant your wrist when having your arm on the desk, my arm usually raises from the edge of the desk?
@shauns5740 Жыл бұрын
THANKS A LOT my KPM in aim botz increase from 85.73 to 92.17 due to this tutorial, nice vid man 👍
@gemvii13yearsago832 жыл бұрын
ur name tripped me out 💀
@GlideorDieSwimbaits2 жыл бұрын
I can't use this grip because the shape of my mouse doesn't allow it and I have a big hand, there are other grips I can use? (can't buy another mouse)
@pangrattato10472 жыл бұрын
I have trouble using my fingertips when i wanna make small adjustments do you have any advice on that? 17cm 9.5cm is my hand size and i use claw my mouse is the xm1.
@elite81843 жыл бұрын
Best not to overthink it, the fingertip movements usually aren't dramatic, and they complement simultaneous wrist/arm movements rather than move independently.
@TheMeta3 жыл бұрын
@@TheMeta Yeah what Kovaak said, remember your finger muscles are almost all controlled by your forearm muscles and tendons and then running down to your fingers. So think of you using these muscles in tandem with your fingers, this is true for always and even when it seems your hand and wrist are stationary.
@tacomn3 жыл бұрын
I think my Dark Core mouse was made for this grip, as it's very narrow, but fills your palm easily.
@JessicaFEREM Жыл бұрын
how long does it usually take to adjust to a new grip style ?
@cussy33282 жыл бұрын
Welp I know why my micro-adjustments were too sloopy, thanks for the vid
@Emobearcat11 ай бұрын
Which finger betwen the pinky and ring finger helps to suport with movement ?
@synkra4836 Жыл бұрын
this grip works well for me so far. what i don't fully understand is if you say you can microadjust with your fingers, does the mouse still touch your palm when doing so? because if i move the mouse forward with my fingers while my wrist stays planted on the mousepad, the mouse doesn't touch my palm anymore and i lose a lot of stability and control. if i on the other hand just adjust a few mm so the mouse still is in contact with my palm, i can only go for very very small adjustments and they happen mostly by pushing the mouse further into my palm as opposed to pushing it away. so i'm not sure how to approach this problem and would be thankful for any advice.
@christophs.46452 жыл бұрын
It only works for very small adjustments like aiming from upper chest to head. The sensitivity you use will also impact the magnitude of these adjustments. Vertical aiming will generally require some arm/hand movements.
@TheMeta2 жыл бұрын
I just switched to the optimal grip and it's the best mouse grip I have ever used like I can one tap people more easily on valorant
@jeremybarillasmorataya84192 жыл бұрын
I recently switched to Vaxee NP01 and I naturally gripped the mouse this way.
@gormikayelyan97932 жыл бұрын
Hey Kovaak, i have some questions about this grip, i'm using fingertip but sometimes i'm just inconsistent and the grip just don't feel that stable, i'm tryng this grip that you show and i just realize how dependent i am on using my fingers to aim, so you think is worth keep this grip until it becomes natura ?, and you have some tips abou a sensitivity to make this transition better?!
@geraldooliveira38113 жыл бұрын
mouse grip should be as natural as possible imo
@christiandp_3 жыл бұрын
Would recommend at least experimenting with this grip as there may be some small refinements that make it feel more comfortable than trying to directly copy what you see in the video. This grip would best suit mid-range sensitivities around 25-45cm/360. After experimenting with alternatives you should use what feels and performs best, which may simply be your original fingertip grip.
@TheMeta3 жыл бұрын
i tried doing different finger positioning or even slightly less curve but cant seem to find comfort. maybe its my mouse (razer deathadder v2) thats just not fit for my hand. edit: i had to force my hand to get used to it but after a while i was able to do a slight adjustment and it has the perfect balance of comfort and aim potential. TYSM
@therealone7873 Жыл бұрын
Is that a model D-? I independently just started trying this 'anchored fingertip' palm hybrid where my ring and pinky are seated to the knuckle because my model o- felt really uncomfortable. I just ordered my D- yesterday and was wondering whether that was it or the Regular D.
@dirtyd21623 жыл бұрын
Mouse in the video is the regular Model D, hand size is 20.5x10.5.
@TheMeta2 жыл бұрын
My hand size is 19.3cm (long) and 9.4cm wide. What mouse would work best for me if I used the relaxed claw grip?
@bayzidrahman72272 жыл бұрын
Do you think Viper Ultimate can be nice for this grip ? I got exactly the same grip as you and my hands are like 19cm/10or10.5cm I've tryed the G Pro X Superlight and surprisingly i don't really like the shape i think the back of the mouse is not wide enough horizontally for my hand, so i guess maybe the low profile and wider back of the Viper Ultimage will fit my hand better but i'm not sure... Currently i have a Deathadder V2 and like it a lot but i just wanna try an ambi mice again as i really used to love the Zowie FK1 few years ago.
@WakeUpB2P3 жыл бұрын
Maybe try the g502
@josel87992 жыл бұрын
Too much weight
@fudgeidi37952 жыл бұрын
How tightly should I grip the mouse if I don’t grip hard enough I usually don’t have enough tension for accurate flicks
@kee2484 Жыл бұрын
Nice vid ı will try some time and come back to this for rewiewing
@efeilhan32693 жыл бұрын
someohow i am not able to replicate the optimal mouse grip shown in this video. i don't know what i do wrong but it just feels off. personally i use fingertip and it's been working really well for me but even with fingertip i struggle with micro-movements. got any tipps for me? i already play on a low sensitivity (for reverence: 400dpi 9vert, 9hor in rainbow six siege)
@Frowoggo Жыл бұрын
Maybe you can help me. I’m pretty much using the same grip. But I feel my pinky and thumb are in contact with the mouse pad, and I feel as though my wrist is fully anchoring and I’m mainly relying on my range on motion from there- which is wrist and fingers for the micro adjustments.. however that works well for static dots and target switching. But for tracking, I’m sort of doing this palm type, arm aiming thing where nothing is in contact with the mouse pad and I’m just touching the mouse only. It feels like I’m holding the target in my hands when I do this. Should I stick to one way? With my static dots grip I’m super shaky and inconsistent with speed tracking, I’ll be slow and then fast. But when I use palm and arm, I can control the tracking better.
@teddythodo33023 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't recommend planting the wrist, or having a floating arm while tracking. Ideally you'll still have your wrist and forearm in contact with the pad, you just slide it around as you aim. If your arm sticks to the pad you may want to look at getting a sports sleeve to reduce the friction.
@TheMeta3 жыл бұрын
@@TheMeta great so I’m 0/2 in proper technique and I’ve been training and playing FPS for a year now lol am I totally ruined ?
@teddythodo33023 жыл бұрын
It’s help me A lot thanks bro
@user-cl3tw3ng6m3 жыл бұрын
Would it be fine to use your knuckles as resting your hand on the mouse? or could that increase the chance or wrist injuries.
@elite81843 жыл бұрын
Having trouble picturing what you mean, sorry.
@TheMeta3 жыл бұрын
Should i force my thumb palm part against the mouse or more a bit firm/loose press against the thumb palm part?
@f4rs0t903 жыл бұрын
It’s just preference
@magical51813 жыл бұрын
Any suggestion for big hands and a Logitech g305
@michelsoccio10822 жыл бұрын
I try to use fingertip grip but without noticing my hand naturally moves into a claw grip. Should I just use claw?
@lilblanco7318 Жыл бұрын
Which mice are suitable for this sort of grip with a 15cm small hand? There are a lot of smaller office mice especially Hama Torino that feel comfy to me but no gaming performance mice. Currently using the Logi g300 but unhappy with the shape. One of the limitations I have is ring finger and pinky injury on my left hand so I prefer to have extra buttons on my mouse.
@SianaGearz Жыл бұрын
i would look into the zowie za13c or razer viper mini/orochi
@braxtonscarbrough5713 Жыл бұрын
Does the back of your palm or hand of your hand touch the mousepad? I don’t know what to do because when there is humidity it leads to it sticking.
@Frosty_V02 жыл бұрын
Yeah your wrist should touch the mousepad. As for beating humidity, we actually have a blog on the topic that you may find quite helpful - themeta.com/how-checking-humidity-can-help-with-inconsistent-aim/
@TheMeta2 жыл бұрын
wow i didnt realize i should have my palm in contact with the back of the mouse. grip feels much more stable now
@m1rac1e2 жыл бұрын
Is your wrist planted on the pad for this or is slightly elevated?
@siriousg2 жыл бұрын
It's in contact with the pad, but it's not planted. It slides around when i'm aiming.
@TheMeta2 жыл бұрын
idk how important grip really is, i just do whatever feels comfortable and gives me higher scores. Works for static dots and valorant at least
@nawtmyrealnamelol2 жыл бұрын
Hey i have a question for you guys and ive been looking for help on my ADSa Sens and sens on call of duty, i play on 8.00 sens and 0.75 ADS how would i get the ADS sens to kovaaks
@tetrah15343 жыл бұрын
Which Call of Duty game are you converting from?
@TheMeta3 жыл бұрын
Is the grip i always used from almost one year ago😂
@masterchad793 жыл бұрын
I have a claw-fingertip hybrid grip. Meaning that my fingers are arched as in a claw grip, but there is zero palm contact. As a result, I struggle with stability issues. I have a Model O Wireless, G305 and a GPW Clone and I find it so hard to touch the palm to the back of the mouse. Any tips?
@MrRake-jk5dq3 жыл бұрын
Having it physically touch the center of your palm isn't really viable or necessary for many mice. You are primarily gripping the mouse with the knuckles of your pinky and thumb. Your fingers apply a small amount of force to pull the mouse into the back of your palm (even though it doesn't touch) which keeps things feeling stable and secure. Can't really see the benefit of having arched fingers for claw grip as that makes things feel less stable as you typically want your m1/m2 to be as low to the table as possible.
@TheMeta3 жыл бұрын
@@TheMeta Yes, I've recently been trying to extend my index and middle finger towards the front of the mouse more and it does feel a bit stable, but micro-adjustments get sightly restricted. I'm not used to longer mice, so let's see how it ends up.
@MrRake-jk5dq3 жыл бұрын
im abit confused the thumbnail and the vid make conflicting points is my palm supposed to touch on the left or right side of the mouse? thumb says left while you say the righ t
@GabrielMccredi3 жыл бұрын
Realistically, for the back of the palm the mouse is being gripped like this gyazo.com/dda1cf23113f7903410ba2fa3b616faf Where the green circles are in contact and the purple squiggle is not in contact. The thumbnail tries to indicate this with the blue lines. The video has more generalized advice for the back of the palm as this will change mouse to mouse. If I were to use a big ergo like the MX518 or just a wider mouse in general that purple squiggle would disappear.
@TheMeta3 жыл бұрын
@@TheMeta ah ty so much for the clarification, yup the thumbnail explained it perfectly got abit confused by the video but thanks for the clarification
@GabrielMccredi3 жыл бұрын
@@TheMeta In the video you just have the mouse touching your right part of your palm right?
@tacomn3 жыл бұрын
i still dont understand how you are gripping the mouse :(
@LaTrefle3 жыл бұрын
I have a problem gripping my mouse consistently any tips you can give? also, do you have any tips to not get bored when doing an aim routine cause it's hard for me to stay motivated during the routine (srry for bad grammar)
@zracoo3 жыл бұрын
Listen to music, I do an hourly long aim training routine in csgo every day, music motivates me a lot
@aaryaman27023 жыл бұрын
buy some small dot grips.. and place them to your finger placement. that way, you get a consistent grip every time
@chiapet1012 жыл бұрын
I'm already using the "optimal" grip, very pog. But i feel like fingertip is superior once mastered
@3Runner952 жыл бұрын
I love kovaak
@Robsai3 жыл бұрын
so while aiming vertically do i use my arm or my fingers to edit and aim in fortnite ( or just aim in other games )
@yoitsmeefn22533 жыл бұрын
and if i use my fingers do i have to instantly reposition it and put it under against my palm?
@yoitsmeefn22533 жыл бұрын
Depends a lot on your sensitivity, in most situations it would be a combination of everything - fingers, hand, wrist & arm. If your sensitivity is very high it may be more heavily dependent on fingers.
@TheMeta3 жыл бұрын
I gripped the mouse with my upper part of my palm, so this grip feels weird but I like it.
@kotyii53433 жыл бұрын
omg I've been using relaxed claw grip this entire time I thought I was using fingertip and also I can't use palm tip as my fingers cannot breathe and get uncomfortable after some time
@BlizzardWind992 жыл бұрын
I dont really use the back of my hand as an anchor point, instead I place my palm on top of the bump. Are the any draw backs to this?
@jt30492 жыл бұрын
If your wrist is hovering with that setup then you lose a lot of control, particularly over smaller aiming movements. Typically you don't want to be applying much force downwards into the mousepad which might be a problem if your palm is on top of the bump. Not saying you need to change what you are doing, but those are a few things to look out for.
@TheMeta2 жыл бұрын
As a long time wrist aimer and fingertip gripper, how do you look up and down much with the optimal grip? Doesn't it just hit your palm? How do you look straight down without it hitting your palm before you even look at the ground?
@itsgameroclock61012 жыл бұрын
There is some room for small vertical aiming adjustments within the palm, but any larger movements you move your forearm.
@TheMeta2 жыл бұрын
it feels restrictive to me for vertical but more stable overall guess im used to middle finger resting on mouse wheel just little finger gripping side
@honorabilis12 жыл бұрын
RING FINRGER HURTS hey, so i have a big question im using the same claw girp and im prety decent with it, but i have a big problem i had to switch to finertip grip bc my ring finger hurts, not my finger actualy but... if u look ur ringfinger nail from above so the side wich is contacted to the mouse my nails kinda cutting in to my skin and it hurts whatever i do with my ring finger it hurts im i gripping wrong or what is happening somebody help thank you (sorry if i miss spelled something or its hard to understand english is not my first launguege
@buscon1 Жыл бұрын
Get a mouse with bigger back hump. My top pick would be the Zowie A-13C ( or the 11/12) and the Pulsar X2H (or mini)
@APERTURE_SC8 ай бұрын
Idk why I have the same grip but my pinky and ring finger are straight and I want them to be bent but it just feels weird
@schizballs3 жыл бұрын
So what mouse shape do you recommend for that "optimal grip"? Ergo or ambi?
@kanagara71903 жыл бұрын
Ergo for sure
@andysin50373 жыл бұрын
It should work for just about any ambi mouse, ergo can be tricky if they have exaggerated comfort curves and a really large body but ergo mice like the Model D work great.
@TheMeta3 жыл бұрын
The optimal grip has the mouse sit against the base of your hand...so you can extend your fingers to aim up, but how do you aim down easily? The only reason it looks like you can vertically aim down is because you extended your fingers outwards (up) first, i.e., resetting your fingers back in will bring crosshair back to center position. From the optimal position, how do you aim down?
@elmhurstenglish59383 жыл бұрын
In the neutral position (not aiming up or down) there is some room to pull the mouse into the palm, pressing into the recess and against the skin. If it's a larger downward aiming movement your entire arm would move down.
@TheMeta3 жыл бұрын
We got about the same hand size , and I've always used fingertip . Using a razer viper atm and I can't, for the life of me , find a good position for my fingers to sit at without straining my entire hand :C
@wh0isdis580 Жыл бұрын
Do you recommed using an armrest? Or arm over the table?
@jerjersauce52343 жыл бұрын
Agreed with Joonas, armrest isn't recommended.
@TheMeta3 жыл бұрын
i just thought this was how you hold it when i was 3 and ive never changed and im good at basically any fps or just aim games
@xzs1604 Жыл бұрын
oh i actually use this exact grip xd
@sarthakkk49383 жыл бұрын
my hand is 19.7x10cm ...would you recommend model D as well for claw grip?
@cerlecky3 жыл бұрын
i would say yes
@jayke28493 жыл бұрын
Yeah that should be a good fit, hand in the vid is 20.5 x 10.5 and the Model D feels great.
@TheMeta3 жыл бұрын
thanks bro its really smoothly bro can u give us tutorial how to get best sitting for mouse accel ? thanks alot
@GameXzpt3 жыл бұрын
off
@chinguspingus62563 жыл бұрын
@@chinguspingus6256 thanks
@GameXzpt3 жыл бұрын
Question...I not sure if it’s just me but the Valorant sens on kovaaks feels pretty different compared to the actual game. My sens is correct, chose the right game conversion, and used the correct fov..Any help?
@iann43863 жыл бұрын
if you play valorant - you dont need aim bro, relax
@noobslayer13373 жыл бұрын
They have the same Yaw value so it should be the same, have you physically measured your cm/360 in both games?
@TheMeta3 жыл бұрын
me too, when converting kovaak's sens to apex legend. on kovaak's my sens is 1.3 but in apex legends my sens 1.8. so i am start installing another aim trainer but have the same result. after using Sensitivity Matcher my actual apex sens is 1.28 but it still diffrent but better.
@thatfeelifeltthatday2013 жыл бұрын
There are other factors than sensitivity that are affecting the overall feel of your aim between different games. For each game, you need to adjust your mouse sensitivity based on movement speed, fov, resolution etc. to make it feel perfect. Despite the same mouse sensitivity, the scenarios and settings in Kovaak are significantly different than in Valorant (or any other games) so that can contribute to this feeling your sensitivity is not correct. I would advise checking your in-game settings are exactly the same (keep in mind the fov settings may differ between games even if you set the same figures, check the FOV video on this Kovaak channel) and just keep practising with it. Do not worry about your score in Kovaak, just focus on your consistency.
@TheHelicopterPig3 жыл бұрын
What are your thoughts on the knuckle claw grip? Its similar to fingtertip(a grip im trying to switch away from) in that the mouse is gripped with fingertips and the bottom of your knuckles. There is no contact with the palm. What are the differences that might sway my decision between the grip shown and staying with my knuckle claw?
@chinguspingus62563 жыл бұрын
It could work, doesn't feel quite as secure and controlled as this grip though.
@TheMeta3 жыл бұрын
thanks
@daze46563 жыл бұрын
I don't really get how you manage to use your fingers for vertical aiming without the mouse leaving the palm. Man, I've been experimenting with mouse grip for years now. Before I started experimenting, I had aim which felt really good. Now I can never find back to that feel, and I wish I never started experimenting. I want to just find a grip I know I have the most potential with, and stick with it, but I don't really understand if I'm doing this one right, as there are so many variables. Please halp
@WisdomPowerCourage2 жыл бұрын
The fingers can help with some small vertical adjustments without it leaving the palm (like aiming from upper chest to the head), but for any significant movement you'll need to move the whole hand.
@TheMeta2 жыл бұрын
@@TheMeta Ah, then I understand more, thanks
@WisdomPowerCourage2 жыл бұрын
Is xm1 good my hand is 19cm by 9.5 , I use like a palm with a little claw
@bermiti63753 жыл бұрын
r/mousereview might be a good place to ask. I have used the xm1 with 20.5x10.5 hands and found it to be a bit too small.
@TheMeta3 жыл бұрын
are you supposed to put your palm on the mouse? Or you put it on the table?
@icyblank89563 жыл бұрын
The base of your palm is on the table, holding it too high up loses too much control.
@TheMeta3 жыл бұрын
is it called relaxed claw?
@Ayva_K2 жыл бұрын
Crouching tiger claw vs Buddha palm vs freiza finger beam
@LifeisGood-ye8rl3 жыл бұрын
Is your wrist supposed to be resting on the pad or hovering?
@xinless_65893 жыл бұрын
Resting on the pad.
@TheMeta3 жыл бұрын
So if I have small hands what mice would you recommend?
@mison92642 жыл бұрын
Hard to say exactly, but companies like Viper and Glorious have been releasing smaller versions of their mice like the Viper Ultimate Mini, Glorious Model O (and D) Minus.
@TheMeta2 жыл бұрын
I use this grip.. really good for any type of sensitivity, but my pinky doesn't touch the mouse because wider hands 😅
@super_cake3 жыл бұрын
OOF
@pablotherobloxadventurer46213 жыл бұрын
Ethos
@schizballs3 жыл бұрын
this is literally my regular grip
@Sytphc1793 жыл бұрын
Bc its a very common grip
@1234dhrifjevdigjr3 жыл бұрын
Do you think the aerox 3 will work for this?
@yasukeval3 жыл бұрын
Judging by the pics, it should work great with this grip!
@TheMeta3 жыл бұрын
I love palm grip, makes my aim and tracking insane ❗️💯
@magicbeltbuckle59663 жыл бұрын
Probably because you’re using you’re whole arm the tracking is insane! I am a claw player personally, but I try to change grip mid game, so hybrid you could say, I will try fingertip for tracking and and claw for the rest
@magical51813 жыл бұрын
when you Aiming , your wrist should touch mousepad or not ?
@eyp36693 жыл бұрын
Yes you gotta have your wrist on the mouse pad. If you don't have it that way then aiming is gonna be really inconsistent.
@nirmals23893 жыл бұрын
When you grip the mouse, do you place your side fingers (thumb, ring, pinky) first, or your index and middle fingers first? Doing one over the other results in a very different mouse feel and I'm not sure which is better
@SOenjoyer2 жыл бұрын
Interesting, well for me I plant the knuckle of the middle finger first, then fingertips of the index > middle > ring > pinky > thumb and then gripping the mouse with the thumb and pinky knuckles.
@TheMeta2 жыл бұрын
@@TheMeta I tried using the optimal mouse grip and my pinky is always in pain? Should I buy a different mouse?
@joedementiabiden80632 жыл бұрын
I aim like a god now Thx
@lolbobmeme6092 жыл бұрын
19.5 x 10cm with GPX. Should I use a diff mouse or use this mouse when using META OPTIMAL GRIP
@SUPRA_SOLDIER3 жыл бұрын
GPX should work well with this grip, you may need to make some slight changes depending on the shape of the mouse and the size of your hand.
@TheMeta3 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video how high a table should be please because it effect the aim
@RiseAboveLimits0013 жыл бұрын
kzhead.info/sun/hd2hqseCi6Oupmw/bejne.html there you go :)
@TheMeta3 жыл бұрын
So what grip is the last one? The claw, fingertip or palm grip?
@shahmeermalik48973 жыл бұрын
In the example showing what you would do with smaller hands and a larger mouse? It's the same grip discussed in the video, but the fingers have to be more stretched out.
@TheMeta3 жыл бұрын
@@TheMeta ah ok ty
@shahmeermalik48973 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I think my grip has migrated towards finger tip recently as I have been working on my technique and yes I have noticed that my flick to target has got worse. I will try the claw grip as you explained with the knuckles over the weekend. I'm only a target switching scenario away from Voltaic Gold. Its been a slow journey so far. Thanks again and I love Kovaaks BTW.😊
@simon71423 жыл бұрын
Hope it works well for you, if you have any questions about it feel free to ask!
Thank you so much for this, finding a comfortable grip on a mouse has always been a struggle for me, thanks for showing the touching points, especially the knuckles (2-3) I needed this!
There is a weakness I have found after using the optimal grip for about 3 years, and that would be needing to micro down. I have since transferred to a fingertip grip, but pushing my mouse at a diagonal with my thumb, so the mouse can be stable on the right side of my palm. I found this grip provides me with consistency, and better control towards my weaker sides. The downside with this grip is that you lose a little micro to the right side, but for me that is fine because it is my most consistent and accurate side. The point is that everyone is different and there is no such thing as an optimal grip, but rather you should tailor your grip so it can accommodate your weaknesses in your aim while maintaining a natural and comfortable feel.
That’s good input bro. Salute.
For me, In this grip (With a mixed aim style, AKA wrist and arm aimming) my arm and wrist just don't move together well, I hit places where im "stuck" while tracking but when im in the range where its good its GOOD. Thing is, there are just certain things i can't do that i want to (especially in aim trainers) where i just don't have the range of motion to do them. I feel limited and don't like that. I notice in a weird type of "finger tip / claw" grip i use, where the whole back of my palm is off of the mouse i can move everywhere and anywhere without any "stuck feeling", But i just can't figure out why because its really not much of a change compared to the old claw grip i was using. Im guessing its some sort of bio mechanical issue where something just "opens up" when i switch to the new grip. It seems i don't sacrifice any control and only gain with this grip, but because im so "free" i end up out of my "optimal" ranges alot more and end up playing with my mouse at the very bottom of my mouse pad instead of the middle where it is with the other grip, I guess it just means i need to make the whole mouse pad my "opitmal range" but thats the only "hit" to my aim ive noticed.
Basically, your point is, every person will not totally benefit from the same/grip/position. Hence, there is no such thing as an "optimal mouse grip". I agree! I said up there in an OP: "First, the best mouse grip is actually having a mouse that fits in your hand well, to perfectly." I use a claw/tip grip. (I am right-handed.) My arm/hand points slighty to the left, which positions my mouse pointing a little to the left. For me, that allows a FAST perfect horizontal swipe from left/right and right/left. Also, my sensitivity is set up so as to only move my wrist. Little things can make a difference for each individual. For instance, if most people tested their movement distance, a right-hander may see that flicking 180 from center to left involves less mouse movement than flicking 180 from center to right. That was true for me. So, I taught myself to 180 flick left. (Of course, I may still flick right here and there.) Also, many people drag their pinky (or pinky tip) on their pad and don't even realize it. That was also true for me. I broke that habit by taping my pinky and third finger together. Heh heh! I don't do that anymore, but now that's not a problem for me. Different things can make a difference for each individual. As you pointed out, there may be pros and cons, but the point remains.
@@WorldKeepsSpinnin OK, I don't know if I can really help you. I mean, I bet my whole setup is different from the standard consensus. So, I will just write whatever. The main things people seem to be focused on now are grip, DPI, report rate, and low latency. (That, also in regards to system latency, FPS, and frame time.) Me, I have an old G-900: 1600 DPI; 1000 polling rate; no pointer precision. ASIDE: I never max FOV. I probably set in-game sensitivity higher than most people regarding and in relation to everything else. I do that to minimize mouse movement as much as possible but without over-shooting. I use my grip/wrist to move/aim. It's so rare my mouse comes off the pad I don't even think it ever does. From what I read, and I read it more than once, what seems to hinder you is too much mouse movement/distance. I don't know your system specs, but I can suggest - and maybe this is already true - whatever your monitor native resolution and refresh rate is, make sure your system/game supplies the FPS that equals the refresh rate. Depending, it may matter if it goes over. There are things to consider regarding that: Any kind of sync such as g-sync and vsync. Do you use the driver control panel, or not, for each game? Is your GPU usage at 99%? Do you use a frame limiter, such as RivaTuner. There is a lot to look into. Have you already set up everything the best you can regarding system latency, FPS, frame time, mouse DPI, polling rate, and in-game mouse sensitivity? You can also figure out how to correspond settings to different games so they match from game to game, so you are not good in one game and lacking in another because of different _feel._ You may already know all about everything, but since you did not mention it, I threw it out there.
Don’t care didn’t ask claw is the best
Had a issue with finding a proper mouse grip for years. Tried every type of grip, mouse and mouse pads. finally found a perfect grip for myself from this video. man feels good
I'll have to give this a try
man, thank you alot, you can't imagine the way you just helped me right now, I instantly improved my flicks by that vídeo and the other about flicking, I already had a really ok/good tracking but poor flicking and it helped me alot
I used to use the optimal grip but since everybody used palm grip i switched big mistake. Usualy people just say that each grib has pros and cons but they dont list them. Thank you really helped my accuracy went up by around 5 % and my worst accuracy stabled at around 50%
Controller players: Hmmm..... interesting
Imagine playing competitive shooter games with a controller
@@nrkapa I'm not sure but maybe some people do that because they practiced their aim on controller without aim assist for a long time.
@@pablotherobloxadventurer4621 its literally impossible to be as good on controller like mouse
Me 😂
@@nrkapa snipe down would know
I've pondered mouse grip for years as well, and recently I've kinda had a breakthrough I think. I also used to "anchor" my mice around the ringfinger knuckle part of the palm, or at least tried to because with many mice it's real awkward to do so as you probably know. I think I started out like that because the Logi G403 was my first mouse used in shooters and its pronounced hump made that grip possible and comfortable, but in turn I developed a kind of aversion to mice touching the fleshy part at the base of the thumb. For years I encountered mice that just wouldn't work right, like the Roccat Kone Pro which was an otherwise gorgeous mouse but I just couldn't unlock its full aiming potential with my grip as it was. So a couple weeks back I took the plunge and started anchoring it at the fleshy part of my palm (so, only rly the lower left part of the mouse touches my palm) and lo and behold, something just clicked in my brain when the mouse was more "to the left" within my hand. I found better spots for my pinky and Ringfinger, it was overall much less exhausting to use for a couple hours at a time, it didn't continually recede back into my palm when holding it like this (big issue with many mice without a juicy hump in the back when shoving them into your palm's right side), and somehow the position of the sensor within my hand was more in sync with how my hand moved in response to what was seen on screen. Wiggle room was still plenty, maybe even a little higher because of how stretchy the new anchor point is. That opened up a number of mice that it'd just written off and I can only recommend everyone to experiment with wildly different ways to position mice within the hand because you never know which combination works out with your particular hand shape & size.
Likewise bruva, I still have a few issues when pulling my mouse down into this fleshy part of my thumb where sometimes the fleshy part will almost obstruct or even get caught underneath the mouse when playing, does any of your knuckles touch the mouse with the new style? thanks for your insight man
This is the comment I needed, I have struggled for almost 2 years now switching and changing my grip style and I have been down the exact path you were I used to anchor with the right side of my lower palm and noticed inconsistency. I started using the fleshy part of my thumb although weird at first I really felt like i had control of where my sensor was going. My only issue now is that its gets a bit sticky and sometimes the skin of my thumb begins to go under my mouse and pinch me. Thank you for backing up my belief that this grip can work for other people.
@@supisal3401 I think it depends on the mouse, but not really, maybe one with a particularly high hump like the G403, or probably a Zowie ZA would (conjecture because I never owned one) Btw I currently main the Cooler Master MM731 because of its courageous departure from the Zowie EC ergo shape and especially the more forward sensor if you're wondering (beware of the gnarly Software though lmao. luckily you can set and forget about it for the most part, unless you like to switch binds around all the time)
@@hawkeye3160 Happy I could help fellow gamers with this :)
Do you keep your wrist planted on the mat as you move, and have it behave like a pivot point? I’m terrible at micro adjustments, and will often overflick short distances. Could doing that help?
Straight to point and good content. Amazing as always Kovaak :D
A strange thing happened to me where my hand seemed to force evolve my grip for me. I had been comfortably playing something of a loose fingertip grip on a small mouse (UL2) with larger hands (20x10 cm) for a while (with good results) until suddenly my hand just didn't like the grip anymore. I would feel like I couldn't hold my mouse right. And then the only grip that started to feel good (could still aim well and hold the mouse securely) was the optimal/claw grip you've highlighted.
I use a palm grip, changed my grip to this one to go through my KovaaK's playlist today. I just got new highscores in all scenarios by a significant margin. It also feels like it doesn't tense my arm up as hard as the palm grip. Thank god for this video lol.
Nice but you probably want to look into to a new mouse though. A mouse you can palm grip isn't very specialized for claw/optimized.
@@r4nowo I did change a few months ago to a more versatile mouse. From a G402 to a Logitech G Pro Wireless. The G402 was kind of weird to hold unless you use a palm grip and the G Pro suits pretty much every grip.
Luckily this is the natural grip I use when I switched from console to pc. Although it was subconsciously influenced cause I saw that most good aimers played a sort of claw fingertip hybrid in handcams it quickly became natural because I had no prior experience with a mouse.
i completely agree with you, i also switched from console to PC and it just felt natural
Better to be a well read beginner than someone with long standing bad habits
@@kneecapp9186 2k hours of cs go I fall into the second category Sometimes i aim really good other times i cannot get 1 kill
I actually do a weird holding style, I do palm grip, but my fingertips are raised just enough, so I can make micro adjustments, mostly used for spraying in csgo
Naturally my hand fits over my mouse like this! Thanks for letting me know I’m not doing anything wrong lol
Can you make a video talking about mouse shapes? Optimal, pros and cons of humps, etc?
I grip my mouse with basically a fingertip grip but i also push the mouse's back left corner into the meat of my thumb so it's a 6 point grip.
Same here 😳😳
same
Well apparently I’ve been using the right wrist placement and mouse grip subconsciously since I first switched to MnK a few weeks ago. No wonder my aim already felt so smooth and consistent despite being so new to using a mouse for FPS.
I used this mouse and literally the same mouse grip before I watched this video. I think its because of the glorious model o that i use and that it is too big for fingertip grip so I balance it with a claw hybrid. The knuckes are kind of for support (atleast in my experience).
I think that the optimal one looks like a pincer claw grip. Using and loving it
Palm contact = carpal stab claw , but okay.
Could you offer some advice on how to best use this grip on a GPro Wireless mouse?
wait is the optimal grip is like claw grip or hybrid grip (relaxed claw)? let me know. ty
this was the grip I used when i didn't know the types of grips of mouse XP T o T
I always seem to change grips between claw and 2 types of finger tips...1 where it's like shown in the video and the other a more relaxed and only the tips of my fingers touch while the rest of my hand has a huge gap from the mouse so it's like I am pushing the mouse away. I can't palm grip, my hand just doesn't work that way...too awkward.
alternative title: relaxed claw showcase
I’m literally giving up playing m and k. I have incredibly large hands (23 L 12.5 w). I’ve tried the deathadder v2 from a friend, g403, g903, g502. Nothing fits and aiming feels incredibly awkward. I try clawing fingertip etc but I just don’t have that feeling that I have full control of my crosshair. If only companies would give ppl like me an option for a suitable mouse. ( btw I have 400 hours in kovaaks so I’m totally convinced that my hand size is holding me back in terms of aim) Update: finally found the mouse I needed. It’s the Corsair rgb pro wireless. I have no idea how it fits me perfectly and my aim feels natural and smooth af. Srsly for guys that have big ass hands this is a must buy if you want to have good aim
That's a tough situation! Deathadder v2 is quite large, shame that wasn't a good fit. The hand in the video is 20.5 L 10.5 W and the Model D feels great if that provides any perspective at all. This blog may be helpful for you -themeta.com/blog/2020/8/27/optimising-your-mouse-width-with-a-simple-mod
Have you tried shroud's G303? It looks very chunky and it's actually pretty light.
Something I’ve always wondered is how do you plant your wrist when having your arm on the desk, my arm usually raises from the edge of the desk?
THANKS A LOT my KPM in aim botz increase from 85.73 to 92.17 due to this tutorial, nice vid man 👍
ur name tripped me out 💀
I can't use this grip because the shape of my mouse doesn't allow it and I have a big hand, there are other grips I can use? (can't buy another mouse)
I have trouble using my fingertips when i wanna make small adjustments do you have any advice on that? 17cm 9.5cm is my hand size and i use claw my mouse is the xm1.
Best not to overthink it, the fingertip movements usually aren't dramatic, and they complement simultaneous wrist/arm movements rather than move independently.
@@TheMeta Yeah what Kovaak said, remember your finger muscles are almost all controlled by your forearm muscles and tendons and then running down to your fingers. So think of you using these muscles in tandem with your fingers, this is true for always and even when it seems your hand and wrist are stationary.
I think my Dark Core mouse was made for this grip, as it's very narrow, but fills your palm easily.
how long does it usually take to adjust to a new grip style ?
Welp I know why my micro-adjustments were too sloopy, thanks for the vid
Which finger betwen the pinky and ring finger helps to suport with movement ?
this grip works well for me so far. what i don't fully understand is if you say you can microadjust with your fingers, does the mouse still touch your palm when doing so? because if i move the mouse forward with my fingers while my wrist stays planted on the mousepad, the mouse doesn't touch my palm anymore and i lose a lot of stability and control. if i on the other hand just adjust a few mm so the mouse still is in contact with my palm, i can only go for very very small adjustments and they happen mostly by pushing the mouse further into my palm as opposed to pushing it away. so i'm not sure how to approach this problem and would be thankful for any advice.
It only works for very small adjustments like aiming from upper chest to head. The sensitivity you use will also impact the magnitude of these adjustments. Vertical aiming will generally require some arm/hand movements.
I just switched to the optimal grip and it's the best mouse grip I have ever used like I can one tap people more easily on valorant
I recently switched to Vaxee NP01 and I naturally gripped the mouse this way.
Hey Kovaak, i have some questions about this grip, i'm using fingertip but sometimes i'm just inconsistent and the grip just don't feel that stable, i'm tryng this grip that you show and i just realize how dependent i am on using my fingers to aim, so you think is worth keep this grip until it becomes natura ?, and you have some tips abou a sensitivity to make this transition better?!
mouse grip should be as natural as possible imo
Would recommend at least experimenting with this grip as there may be some small refinements that make it feel more comfortable than trying to directly copy what you see in the video. This grip would best suit mid-range sensitivities around 25-45cm/360. After experimenting with alternatives you should use what feels and performs best, which may simply be your original fingertip grip.
i tried doing different finger positioning or even slightly less curve but cant seem to find comfort. maybe its my mouse (razer deathadder v2) thats just not fit for my hand. edit: i had to force my hand to get used to it but after a while i was able to do a slight adjustment and it has the perfect balance of comfort and aim potential. TYSM
Is that a model D-? I independently just started trying this 'anchored fingertip' palm hybrid where my ring and pinky are seated to the knuckle because my model o- felt really uncomfortable. I just ordered my D- yesterday and was wondering whether that was it or the Regular D.
Mouse in the video is the regular Model D, hand size is 20.5x10.5.
My hand size is 19.3cm (long) and 9.4cm wide. What mouse would work best for me if I used the relaxed claw grip?
Do you think Viper Ultimate can be nice for this grip ? I got exactly the same grip as you and my hands are like 19cm/10or10.5cm I've tryed the G Pro X Superlight and surprisingly i don't really like the shape i think the back of the mouse is not wide enough horizontally for my hand, so i guess maybe the low profile and wider back of the Viper Ultimage will fit my hand better but i'm not sure... Currently i have a Deathadder V2 and like it a lot but i just wanna try an ambi mice again as i really used to love the Zowie FK1 few years ago.
Maybe try the g502
Too much weight
How tightly should I grip the mouse if I don’t grip hard enough I usually don’t have enough tension for accurate flicks
Nice vid ı will try some time and come back to this for rewiewing
someohow i am not able to replicate the optimal mouse grip shown in this video. i don't know what i do wrong but it just feels off. personally i use fingertip and it's been working really well for me but even with fingertip i struggle with micro-movements. got any tipps for me? i already play on a low sensitivity (for reverence: 400dpi 9vert, 9hor in rainbow six siege)
Maybe you can help me. I’m pretty much using the same grip. But I feel my pinky and thumb are in contact with the mouse pad, and I feel as though my wrist is fully anchoring and I’m mainly relying on my range on motion from there- which is wrist and fingers for the micro adjustments.. however that works well for static dots and target switching. But for tracking, I’m sort of doing this palm type, arm aiming thing where nothing is in contact with the mouse pad and I’m just touching the mouse only. It feels like I’m holding the target in my hands when I do this. Should I stick to one way? With my static dots grip I’m super shaky and inconsistent with speed tracking, I’ll be slow and then fast. But when I use palm and arm, I can control the tracking better.
Wouldn't recommend planting the wrist, or having a floating arm while tracking. Ideally you'll still have your wrist and forearm in contact with the pad, you just slide it around as you aim. If your arm sticks to the pad you may want to look at getting a sports sleeve to reduce the friction.
@@TheMeta great so I’m 0/2 in proper technique and I’ve been training and playing FPS for a year now lol am I totally ruined ?
It’s help me A lot thanks bro
Would it be fine to use your knuckles as resting your hand on the mouse? or could that increase the chance or wrist injuries.
Having trouble picturing what you mean, sorry.
Should i force my thumb palm part against the mouse or more a bit firm/loose press against the thumb palm part?
It’s just preference
Any suggestion for big hands and a Logitech g305
I try to use fingertip grip but without noticing my hand naturally moves into a claw grip. Should I just use claw?
Which mice are suitable for this sort of grip with a 15cm small hand? There are a lot of smaller office mice especially Hama Torino that feel comfy to me but no gaming performance mice. Currently using the Logi g300 but unhappy with the shape. One of the limitations I have is ring finger and pinky injury on my left hand so I prefer to have extra buttons on my mouse.
i would look into the zowie za13c or razer viper mini/orochi
Does the back of your palm or hand of your hand touch the mousepad? I don’t know what to do because when there is humidity it leads to it sticking.
Yeah your wrist should touch the mousepad. As for beating humidity, we actually have a blog on the topic that you may find quite helpful - themeta.com/how-checking-humidity-can-help-with-inconsistent-aim/
wow i didnt realize i should have my palm in contact with the back of the mouse. grip feels much more stable now
Is your wrist planted on the pad for this or is slightly elevated?
It's in contact with the pad, but it's not planted. It slides around when i'm aiming.
idk how important grip really is, i just do whatever feels comfortable and gives me higher scores. Works for static dots and valorant at least
Hey i have a question for you guys and ive been looking for help on my ADSa Sens and sens on call of duty, i play on 8.00 sens and 0.75 ADS how would i get the ADS sens to kovaaks
Which Call of Duty game are you converting from?
Is the grip i always used from almost one year ago😂
I have a claw-fingertip hybrid grip. Meaning that my fingers are arched as in a claw grip, but there is zero palm contact. As a result, I struggle with stability issues. I have a Model O Wireless, G305 and a GPW Clone and I find it so hard to touch the palm to the back of the mouse. Any tips?
Having it physically touch the center of your palm isn't really viable or necessary for many mice. You are primarily gripping the mouse with the knuckles of your pinky and thumb. Your fingers apply a small amount of force to pull the mouse into the back of your palm (even though it doesn't touch) which keeps things feeling stable and secure. Can't really see the benefit of having arched fingers for claw grip as that makes things feel less stable as you typically want your m1/m2 to be as low to the table as possible.
@@TheMeta Yes, I've recently been trying to extend my index and middle finger towards the front of the mouse more and it does feel a bit stable, but micro-adjustments get sightly restricted. I'm not used to longer mice, so let's see how it ends up.
im abit confused the thumbnail and the vid make conflicting points is my palm supposed to touch on the left or right side of the mouse? thumb says left while you say the righ t
Realistically, for the back of the palm the mouse is being gripped like this gyazo.com/dda1cf23113f7903410ba2fa3b616faf Where the green circles are in contact and the purple squiggle is not in contact. The thumbnail tries to indicate this with the blue lines. The video has more generalized advice for the back of the palm as this will change mouse to mouse. If I were to use a big ergo like the MX518 or just a wider mouse in general that purple squiggle would disappear.
@@TheMeta ah ty so much for the clarification, yup the thumbnail explained it perfectly got abit confused by the video but thanks for the clarification
@@TheMeta In the video you just have the mouse touching your right part of your palm right?
i still dont understand how you are gripping the mouse :(
I have a problem gripping my mouse consistently any tips you can give? also, do you have any tips to not get bored when doing an aim routine cause it's hard for me to stay motivated during the routine (srry for bad grammar)
Listen to music, I do an hourly long aim training routine in csgo every day, music motivates me a lot
buy some small dot grips.. and place them to your finger placement. that way, you get a consistent grip every time
I'm already using the "optimal" grip, very pog. But i feel like fingertip is superior once mastered
I love kovaak
so while aiming vertically do i use my arm or my fingers to edit and aim in fortnite ( or just aim in other games )
and if i use my fingers do i have to instantly reposition it and put it under against my palm?
Depends a lot on your sensitivity, in most situations it would be a combination of everything - fingers, hand, wrist & arm. If your sensitivity is very high it may be more heavily dependent on fingers.
I gripped the mouse with my upper part of my palm, so this grip feels weird but I like it.
omg I've been using relaxed claw grip this entire time I thought I was using fingertip and also I can't use palm tip as my fingers cannot breathe and get uncomfortable after some time
I dont really use the back of my hand as an anchor point, instead I place my palm on top of the bump. Are the any draw backs to this?
If your wrist is hovering with that setup then you lose a lot of control, particularly over smaller aiming movements. Typically you don't want to be applying much force downwards into the mousepad which might be a problem if your palm is on top of the bump. Not saying you need to change what you are doing, but those are a few things to look out for.
As a long time wrist aimer and fingertip gripper, how do you look up and down much with the optimal grip? Doesn't it just hit your palm? How do you look straight down without it hitting your palm before you even look at the ground?
There is some room for small vertical aiming adjustments within the palm, but any larger movements you move your forearm.
it feels restrictive to me for vertical but more stable overall guess im used to middle finger resting on mouse wheel just little finger gripping side
RING FINRGER HURTS hey, so i have a big question im using the same claw girp and im prety decent with it, but i have a big problem i had to switch to finertip grip bc my ring finger hurts, not my finger actualy but... if u look ur ringfinger nail from above so the side wich is contacted to the mouse my nails kinda cutting in to my skin and it hurts whatever i do with my ring finger it hurts im i gripping wrong or what is happening somebody help thank you (sorry if i miss spelled something or its hard to understand english is not my first launguege
Get a mouse with bigger back hump. My top pick would be the Zowie A-13C ( or the 11/12) and the Pulsar X2H (or mini)
Idk why I have the same grip but my pinky and ring finger are straight and I want them to be bent but it just feels weird
So what mouse shape do you recommend for that "optimal grip"? Ergo or ambi?
Ergo for sure
It should work for just about any ambi mouse, ergo can be tricky if they have exaggerated comfort curves and a really large body but ergo mice like the Model D work great.
The optimal grip has the mouse sit against the base of your hand...so you can extend your fingers to aim up, but how do you aim down easily? The only reason it looks like you can vertically aim down is because you extended your fingers outwards (up) first, i.e., resetting your fingers back in will bring crosshair back to center position. From the optimal position, how do you aim down?
In the neutral position (not aiming up or down) there is some room to pull the mouse into the palm, pressing into the recess and against the skin. If it's a larger downward aiming movement your entire arm would move down.
We got about the same hand size , and I've always used fingertip . Using a razer viper atm and I can't, for the life of me , find a good position for my fingers to sit at without straining my entire hand :C
Do you recommed using an armrest? Or arm over the table?
Agreed with Joonas, armrest isn't recommended.
i just thought this was how you hold it when i was 3 and ive never changed and im good at basically any fps or just aim games
oh i actually use this exact grip xd
my hand is 19.7x10cm ...would you recommend model D as well for claw grip?
i would say yes
Yeah that should be a good fit, hand in the vid is 20.5 x 10.5 and the Model D feels great.
thanks bro its really smoothly bro can u give us tutorial how to get best sitting for mouse accel ? thanks alot
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@@chinguspingus6256 thanks
Question...I not sure if it’s just me but the Valorant sens on kovaaks feels pretty different compared to the actual game. My sens is correct, chose the right game conversion, and used the correct fov..Any help?
if you play valorant - you dont need aim bro, relax
They have the same Yaw value so it should be the same, have you physically measured your cm/360 in both games?
me too, when converting kovaak's sens to apex legend. on kovaak's my sens is 1.3 but in apex legends my sens 1.8. so i am start installing another aim trainer but have the same result. after using Sensitivity Matcher my actual apex sens is 1.28 but it still diffrent but better.
There are other factors than sensitivity that are affecting the overall feel of your aim between different games. For each game, you need to adjust your mouse sensitivity based on movement speed, fov, resolution etc. to make it feel perfect. Despite the same mouse sensitivity, the scenarios and settings in Kovaak are significantly different than in Valorant (or any other games) so that can contribute to this feeling your sensitivity is not correct. I would advise checking your in-game settings are exactly the same (keep in mind the fov settings may differ between games even if you set the same figures, check the FOV video on this Kovaak channel) and just keep practising with it. Do not worry about your score in Kovaak, just focus on your consistency.
What are your thoughts on the knuckle claw grip? Its similar to fingtertip(a grip im trying to switch away from) in that the mouse is gripped with fingertips and the bottom of your knuckles. There is no contact with the palm. What are the differences that might sway my decision between the grip shown and staying with my knuckle claw?
It could work, doesn't feel quite as secure and controlled as this grip though.
thanks
I don't really get how you manage to use your fingers for vertical aiming without the mouse leaving the palm. Man, I've been experimenting with mouse grip for years now. Before I started experimenting, I had aim which felt really good. Now I can never find back to that feel, and I wish I never started experimenting. I want to just find a grip I know I have the most potential with, and stick with it, but I don't really understand if I'm doing this one right, as there are so many variables. Please halp
The fingers can help with some small vertical adjustments without it leaving the palm (like aiming from upper chest to the head), but for any significant movement you'll need to move the whole hand.
@@TheMeta Ah, then I understand more, thanks
Is xm1 good my hand is 19cm by 9.5 , I use like a palm with a little claw
r/mousereview might be a good place to ask. I have used the xm1 with 20.5x10.5 hands and found it to be a bit too small.
are you supposed to put your palm on the mouse? Or you put it on the table?
The base of your palm is on the table, holding it too high up loses too much control.
is it called relaxed claw?
Crouching tiger claw vs Buddha palm vs freiza finger beam
Is your wrist supposed to be resting on the pad or hovering?
Resting on the pad.
So if I have small hands what mice would you recommend?
Hard to say exactly, but companies like Viper and Glorious have been releasing smaller versions of their mice like the Viper Ultimate Mini, Glorious Model O (and D) Minus.
I use this grip.. really good for any type of sensitivity, but my pinky doesn't touch the mouse because wider hands 😅
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this is literally my regular grip
Bc its a very common grip
Do you think the aerox 3 will work for this?
Judging by the pics, it should work great with this grip!
I love palm grip, makes my aim and tracking insane ❗️💯
Probably because you’re using you’re whole arm the tracking is insane! I am a claw player personally, but I try to change grip mid game, so hybrid you could say, I will try fingertip for tracking and and claw for the rest
when you Aiming , your wrist should touch mousepad or not ?
Yes you gotta have your wrist on the mouse pad. If you don't have it that way then aiming is gonna be really inconsistent.
When you grip the mouse, do you place your side fingers (thumb, ring, pinky) first, or your index and middle fingers first? Doing one over the other results in a very different mouse feel and I'm not sure which is better
Interesting, well for me I plant the knuckle of the middle finger first, then fingertips of the index > middle > ring > pinky > thumb and then gripping the mouse with the thumb and pinky knuckles.
@@TheMeta I tried using the optimal mouse grip and my pinky is always in pain? Should I buy a different mouse?
I aim like a god now Thx
19.5 x 10cm with GPX. Should I use a diff mouse or use this mouse when using META OPTIMAL GRIP
GPX should work well with this grip, you may need to make some slight changes depending on the shape of the mouse and the size of your hand.
Can you do a video how high a table should be please because it effect the aim
kzhead.info/sun/hd2hqseCi6Oupmw/bejne.html there you go :)
So what grip is the last one? The claw, fingertip or palm grip?
In the example showing what you would do with smaller hands and a larger mouse? It's the same grip discussed in the video, but the fingers have to be more stretched out.
@@TheMeta ah ok ty
Thanks for the video. I think my grip has migrated towards finger tip recently as I have been working on my technique and yes I have noticed that my flick to target has got worse. I will try the claw grip as you explained with the knuckles over the weekend. I'm only a target switching scenario away from Voltaic Gold. Its been a slow journey so far. Thanks again and I love Kovaaks BTW.😊
Hope it works well for you, if you have any questions about it feel free to ask!