Customer Says his 5000LB, 15HP, SINGLE CYLINDER, 2 STROKE ENGINE wont run. Can I get it running???
2024 ж. 23 Сәу.
187 434 Рет қаралды
Hey all!
I had a large 2 stroke engine dropped off at the shop the other day. Feller said he couldn't get it going. So I'm going to give it a shot! I tear into this old girl and see what makes her tick, or doesn't I suppose lol.
I’m 71 yrs old and back in the 50’s and 60’s when I was a kid my great grandfather lived in an oil and gas company house on Oil Ridge Tyler County WV. His job was to keep the massive meaning HUGE hit and miss engine running he also oiled the belts that ran several pumping stations off of the flywheel of the hit and miss engine. The main belt ran a pulley that ran other belts that went to the pumps. It was a pretty amazing thing to see for a little kid, the engine could be heard for miles. In the late 60’s the operation was converted to electric motors for the field pumps and my great Gran Pap had to move into town and lived with my grandmother. He had some amazing stories about the old hit and Miss engine. Those days in the USA were amazing.
I’m in Kanawha county. Used to hear old well pumps out in the woods from miles away. Haven’t heard one run since the 80’s.
I can't add to that I have seen them in old county fairs they're excellent.
I would be willing to bet, that people who first saw these were in awe! I also think it will not be long till modern society, not having been exposed to these machines, will be just as in awe!!!
Great story. In the 1980's I lived in a village on the lower Yukon River in Alaska where I ran the power utility. A guy, who lived at a fish camp about 30 miles downriver had a failed Lister diesel generator and asked me for help. He took me by boat to the camp and I determined that the voltage regulator had failed. Sitting next to the Lister, in the generator shack, was an early 1930's horizontal, single cylinder, 15 kW Whitte diesel generator. I asked him about the unit and he said he never saw it run in his 35 years, but his dad, who was deceased at that time, had told him that there was nothing wrong with it. I filled up lubricating oil cups, bled the fuel line and filled the fuel priming cup with diesel, I found and opened the compression release and started spinning one of the flywheels, closed the compression release and off it went without hesitation. I initially couldn't get it to generate, so I stopped the machine, and arced the field with a car battery. Upon restarting, it generated, and I easily adjusted governor and voltage regulator to 60 Hz, 120/240 volts. It had a 50-pole alternator and turned at 144 rpm. He used it for a few months, until he got the Lister repaired, and said it ran flawlessly the entire time.
The part that got the tears from laughing flowing for me was when he said "if you've got one of these at home.......it is possible to blow one of these up by doing an air start" Priceless.
Towing 5k+ with a jacked up Suzuki. That's some balls.
I don't know if I'd consider backing it into the garage as towing lol. I'd definitely not take it on the street!
LOL! That one lunger probably weighs more than the Suzuki.
@@Cast_Iron_Curiosities LOL.
FIRST THING I THOUGHT........
That is just asking to wag the dog....
I'm not an engineer, nor a mechanic, but I found this fascinating. The way you have explained everything and the detail you went into was absolutely brilliant! Thank you so much. 😃
5 minutes in, the display and description adds tremendous value to the learning curve ! Thanks mate ! 😊 Cheers from New Zealand
That was the first time I had heard a good explanation of a hot tube and timing. Nice instruction! Loved the CAD (Cardboard Aided Design) visual aids. It was cool (hot?) to see how the length makes a difference. It was almost like a diesel pre-chamber. Thanks.
Thanks for the long detailed closeup of the engine running. And thanks for explaining all the components. Very educational.
Surely there is a better method of turning rod without chewing up the rid with a monkey wrench??? WTH, damn, even a piece of thick cloth would be better than nothing??? Regards from South Africa
I was quite shocked he took that approach.
Use a strap wrench.
Remove the head and then turn the piston. You don’t want to damage the rod. A damaged rod will ruin the packing. A horse cock which is like a sleeve protects the packing when the rod is pushed through the packing. I have done this to dozens of reciprocating compressors which are similar.
exactly what I thought!
Horrors..... A Pipe Wrench?????????
Loves the diagram Looking at the connecting rod someone did not look at the original paint and adjusted it. I always look for clues like that
Spotted that straight away too.🤠 And the big tool on the con rod eating it.... Though I'm sure it had plenty of marks already... The wobbly input valve.. That didn't look right, the empty oilers.... Flippin eck, I'd be a nightmare in there....
Simple engines can still be a pain to get going, good job overcoming the problems.
The longer the hot tube, the more advanced the timing. That tube seems to be too long and ignition is starting well before TDC. It also makes it very unforgiving to start. I'd go back to that 6" now that you have it running and see how it behaves.
As an older man with a steam boiler background, this was 38 minutes well spent!!!
I'm 62 years old and lived on a farm as a kid but, never delt with such machinery as this. We did have an old tractor,( brand escapes me), with steel spiked wheels that a wide belt ran from the side of the engine area to a large cutting wheel/table combo behind it that we used to clear our land of trees and cut them into logs. So, I never experienced these combustion engines like this but I sure as hell am amused and love watching these videos! You got a new viewer for as long as you do your work on them. Thanks for letting me learn about how things work from the past.
i appreciate the effort put into the diagram, felt like watching Watch Wes Work for a second there
As an old ships engineer I must say your explanations are excellent. I did not had any knowledge of this kind of two stroke gas engines, how to time them or hot pipes. In an other video I learned about hit and mis engines, magnetos and how to re-magnetize them. You do this better than every teacher I had. One remark, the rod between crosshead and the piston we called the piston rod. You probably already knew this (sorry).
Thanks- great explanation with simple but accurate pieces. I wish all the specialists doung stuff on you tube were as clear as you.
LOL....I was waiting for a misfire and it sending you flying through the garage when you were trying to kick start it.....wise choice using that air bump start.....great job getting it running
I learned stuff I couldn't have imagined I needed to know. 🙂 Thanks and keep on chuggin'.
Great tutorial/instructional video on the explanation of how those engines work. Taking the head off, Taking the valve off and showing the intake and exhaust ports. Gives one a much better understanding of the engine internals. Thank you for this video.
God those big old two strokes sound sooooo lovely. Thanks for sharing her with us
Excellent job getting that beast running. Great explanation on how it all works was awesome too. Thanks for the video!😀👍
EXCELLENT! THANK YOU for the detailed explanation of the parts of this engine and how it (engine) and they function. MOST KZhead engine channels omit this 👎 Your very detailed explanation is VERY helpful to those of us who are not experts. PLEASE do more videos in this manner. 👍👍👍
Love the Suzuki, those things were awesome, bare bones, light and small but great 4wd and a lot of fun.
Great video! Thank you for posting! I worked for Cooper-Bessemer (Cooper Energy Services) in the 70's - 80's. Never saw anything about the Bessemer engines, even though I spent time in the Grove City 'Bessemer' plant.
I have loved old steam and hit and miss engines since my childhood. Thanks for clarifying with detail on how they work. Fascinating how they produced power from this in 1899. Thanks for sharing.
You have done a great job again, I am sure your friend will appreciate the work you put into getting the engine running, it would be nice to see her again after you finish the fine tuning, to see how easy a start you can achieve, and if you give your buddy a crash course in air starting.
i did have some idea how a 2 stroke gas/petrol engine worked, but you cleared some details right up. great job. sub +1
So is this not a hit or miss engine
Well, I'm 62, and my first tractor was a model H "Poppin John" which was ancient when I was 20. It could be used to back into a 6 or 8" drive belt and become a stationary engine to drive a cane mill. Even though it was tiny tractor, it had incredible torque.
Lot of skill and knowledge you have on these old engines. Very interesting vid and great to watch.
Thanks for the once over on that giant 2 stroke. I understood much of what you explained only because im somewhat familiar with 2 stroke engines. The hot tube is something like a glow plug on a diesel engine I'm guessing but you lost me a bit on the sizing of it, I'm going to go back and watch again to see if i missed something. I love old engines and appreciate the time you took explaining this one. Pretty cool how you timed this engine and i would really like to see that governor in action and see exactly how that comes into play. Thanks again
i like how you warn us. then proceed to do what you told us not to do. 😅 luckily no harm done.
Thanks so much for this video. Terrific explanation of how this thing works. A bit of pucker factor starting the old girl!
Always great to see you getting these going!!
Love the cardboard and tape explanation of two-stroke operation!!! Subscribed!
you did a great job explaining how this works. I like visuals
thanks for the patience in explaining the working on the pieces you are dealing with australian fan
Great job and thank you for the education, greatly appreciated !!!
I love how you use a pipe wrench on the piston rod and jam nut, i should bring my stuff into you to get worked on and destroyed.
Thanks, a beautiful machine and the noise when running is very satisfying, I must be turning into one of those guys at the country fairs.
Pretty cool machine, though a bit scary. Regarding starting the engine, as a EE, I would put a solenoid on the gas line, an opto-interruptor to pick up the 6 radial arms, and one to pick up a single reflector on the rim to detect the phase of the flywheel. Then I'd connect them to an Arduino programmed to open the solenoid based on the rotation of the wheel. Basically automating with precision, what he is trying to do by eye.
This is absolutely fascinating - really informative.
Thanks for all the info and unique machine.
BEEN GOING TO TRACTOR SHOWS FOR 60 YRS AND NEVER KNEW HOW ONE OF THESE THINGS WORK,,,,,UNTILL NOW,,,,THANKYOU !!!!!
That was fun to see how this big engine works and to see it up and running. I did notice though that the fly ball governor was not hooked up.
I love these engines! Thanks for a great tutorial…
I can see parallels with later car engines but the primitive technology is amazing.
It's work mentioning that the exhaust port has to open first or the flame will burn backwards and cause major problems!
Amazing, truly a thing of beauty...thank you for sharing this great machine ❤❤❤
Excellent presentation. Thank you!
Thanks for the video, fun stuff! It looks to me like the counter rocking of the trailer was one of the reasons it was so hard to get it going. It was losing a LOT of momentum moving that trailer which would have gone into piston movement otherwise. Just an engineer's quick observation. Great video!
The small one I was Building was a 6 stroke - fired on both ends the piston has 2 plugs or ignition sites. Runs on Propane and air. has a large wheel and a smaller wide wheel. Somewhat like this but different. Complex timing. Nice explanation. Called a "Merry"
Not bad! I'm quite impressed with your lvl of engineering. Stay awesome my friend! We need everyone of your type we have. God bless!
Also. That thing is awesome. You’re a great tech, man. Looks great working!
"that's another reason your piston timing is important, because if your cylinder is too far forward it's gonna slap your cylinder head" what
Yea, the cylinder head as in the thing he just took off. Where he mispoke is that he meant piston too far forward, not cylinder.
@@YuriGoofov how is a piston ever going to his the head? it might hit valves in an interference engine but that's it, right?
@@amicloud_yt Because the piston is moved forward or back to set the timing. If it's set to far forward it will hit the cylinder head
I found this very educational. Thanks for sharing.
I learned a lot from this video, time well spent. Thanks
Good video! A museum has similar engines they run once a a year. Their engines are larger I think. The museum is at Gossel , Kansas. The only thing i'd make was a comment on the flat belt pulley , maybe a photo if I could find one.
Casting the cylinder would have been tricky big ports and intricate lines what a beautiful engine ❤
All the oil sight glasses seem to be short of oil, especially the one adding oil to the intake port.
Merci pour les explications, toujours très agréable à regarder, vos vidéos.
Looks like the trailer movement is making the engine run uneven. Anyway, it was good to learn about the timing issue with the hot tube. I guess it is not just the length but also the temperature that affects the ignition point. There are many variables to get right as you demonstrated, the gas pressure and the strength of the inlet valve spring. I assume that each engine needed to be adjusted to suit the conditions at each oil well, back in the day. I wonder if any of the old boys that kept them running are still around? I imagine the magneto was added to take some of the timing guesswork out of the equation. I suppose the hot bulb ignition needed a constantly running blowlamp? The air start was pretty dicey but better than seeing you run the risk of getting mangled in the flywheel. Good interesting video.
My grandpa Roy janes owned an old Bessemer engine almost identical to this one. It is now at the scottville engine club on display there. It always ran that I could remember but his was black. I always remember the plaque on the side my grandpa made that said “big ole bess”
That answered any questions I had about them engines. Thanks and I'm a new subscriber now.
Looks like the exhaust release ramp on the piston clears the exhaust port first allowing the expanded exhaust gases to start exiting and scavenge the cylinder before the inlet port opens for the transfer port. To have to remove the spring from the inlet valve, either air is being drawn into the induction chamber past the piston rod or exhaust gases drawn past the rings. Probably
I think I know now why they call it an industrial revolution. Back then it was a real battle getting things going. 😎 Great video, thanks.
My old Johnson two stroke from 1920 had a poppet valve that I lapped in pretty often but it worked very well
That trailer moving around, will actually significantly reduce the efficiency
Absolutely!
Near here in south western Ontario, we have places that have sour gas wells that produce a mixture of oil, gas and water. They use pump Jack's and a more modern type of the same engines that run day and night, off the gas from the well. Thanks for a quite informative video. One thing I'm a bit puzzled about is when you took the head off there were obviously, by the rust, water jacket passages around the cylinder. At first I thought the red valve, you subsequently used for the air start, was for the water jacket supply. At no time, other than your "diagram", did you mention a cooling system. Presumably there must be a cooling tank that would be connected to the jacket and feed cooled water by a thermal syphon system. I'm familiar with old petrol engines that had a cast tank surrounding a vertical cylinder which needed to be topped up constantly or, as my father did on our farm in Zambia, connect a 45 gallon drum next to the engine and it would replenish, via a ball valve, enabling the engine to run all day or until the fuel ran out. Regards from Canada's banana belt. 🤞🇨🇦🍌🥋🕊🇺🇦🕊🇺🇸👍
Brilliant video and great knowledge
I'm just glad I don't have to start one of these every morning.
This was really informative I just bought a Bessemer from a guy in Lakeville Ohio Tuesday it is rough and missing the serial tag and governor as near as I can tell it is a 20 hp
You buy the one that was on Facebook?
Yes I did. In the late 90s bill patton in millersburg was still running some wells in the killbuck valley with Bessemer engines dad took me down and bills helper started a few of them up for us
I did the same as you. The pictures of the Bessemer and standard rig were of one of Bill's that I went and looked at in the early 2000s.
Dad bought a 20 and a 25 from him in 1998 or so and I don’t know what happened to it but mom took a video of them getting loaded dad sold them after not doing anything with them about 10 years ago and I have wanted to find one for a while it is stuck but I will get it freed up eventually and hopefully can get it to run I have not taken any of it apart yet but I don’t see any cracks on the water jacket
I wonder if part of the issue might be that propane is less easy to ignite than natural gas which has a lot of methane in it.
Nice to know a 2 stroke's reliability is in it's DNA! 🤣
Maybe an air/fuel sensor could help initially? Another idea would be to use the spark ignition just to see how it runs that way.
Totally awesome. Thank you !!
Never been to any type of these shows but I love engines. Crazy how big that thing is and it makes 15 hp, sure it makes tons of torque. We've come a long way in just over a 100 years.z
I thought I understood 2 stroke engines..... NOW I do....... well done great video
Interesting video. Thanks. That head did look heavy.
Great channel my friend. Very informative. Cheers from Birmingham, England
Great job. Thank you 😊
one thing I noticed, is that the way the propane is introduced into the intake valve via the multiple ring of holes directly under the sealing flange of the valve........the pressure of the supplied propane is actually helping to lift the valve open. The hot tube concept is eerily similar to the pre-combustion chambers that were common on diesels for some decades.
The hot tube antedates full Diesels. It was invented by Akroyd Stuart, which is why both he and Dr. Diesel are credited with the invention of the compression ignition engine.
Very cool restoration work!!!
Golley, I didn't know Ridgid made rusty pipe wrenches. OOoooppps, I believe that is a workman that doesn't care for his tools..... LOL I was ready to go buy one but maybe I'll wait. Thanks for the intro.
Great explanation! I recently got a 25 and have been wondering how it works. The valve is missing so I was going to make one out of 1/2" brass but after watching this it might be better to make one a little lighter.
Great job! Learned a lot!
Very interesting. I've never seen an engine like this. John from MI
Hard to believe there were times when this was considered hi-tech. 15HP! Its so small it can fit into the house! Wow!
Nice job Chase, missed seeing you at Kylespring.
When you were on top with the engine running, it's sounds like that slide block is dragging pretty bad (i.e. insufficient lubrication) and I noticed some of your oilers are empty. Would probably be a plan to get some water in it to keep from making hot spots, which will also affect your ignition timing, and pull the torch off of it after it starts, so you can get a more accurate fuel mix. It seemed like it was awfully hard to turn by hand (also related to the slider). Pretty nice old engine though. Good catch on the port timing.😉
The noise your hearing are the outriggers on the trailer scraping the floor. I was hand oiling everything. The engine was pretty dry when I got it, so I was applying liberal amounts of oil to free it up, instead of relying on the oilers.
@@Cast_Iron_Curiosities Ahhh OK!😉👍
Was looking forward to the ring a ding ding ding ding.
Very cool channel 🏁 stuff you don't see every day. Boy engines sure come along way 😂
great video.. from Tyler County, WV and was around a lot of these but was too young then to understand them..come on down to the Oil n Gas Festival in Sistersville
Nice demonstration
I would have to say the port timing is fixed. It is the intake and exhaust openings to the top of the head. You adjusted piston depth.? Super cool info on hot tubes and timing 😸
Nice job getting it running. and awesome videography. This was both educational and entertaining. regard D. G. Winnipeg Manitoba Canada
Thank you! That means a lot! I try to make something that keeps your attention!
Excellent video, love the explanations. What you did to the nuts & pistonshaft wasn't pretty though. There are better ways of doing that.
Awesome work!
Fantastic 😁 I knew you could get it done. I know more than before . Hot Tube oil fuel next ? Thanks
As a smooth brain I appreciate the ELI5! Very interesting, thank you!
🤣 you are welcome!
The spring doesn't control the amount of gas. When that plate lifts, it allows both gas and air into the engine. The gas regulator controls the ratio of gas to air. The spring keeps the plate closed, so it only gets gas when it draws in air.