A quick video answer to the probably the #1 question I get asked by people wanting to get into DCS Helicopters.
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So buy them all and use the points to get the KW and Apache when they release. Got it.
Haha yes
pretty much what im doing. ive got 53k points with the hinds name on it or maybe the apaches....
I support this strategy.
What are these points you are talking about?
@@jimmehjiimmeehh9748 Every package you buy gets you Loyalty points. These points can be used to buy new products.
Started with the Blackshark, it didn't suck me in, neither did the Huey to be honest. It wasn't until a friend and I started flying the SU25T that DCS really showed me what it could be. Being able to help the team in multiplayer (SEAD )really worked for me. This lead me to going back to the Huey for building SAM sites (sling loading is not easy). Plus learning to fly it was a joy. When I got my first compliment on how stable my hover was, I was simply overjoyed lol. Highly recommend buying all helicopters if you can, figure out what will keep you interested, and then practice with one. Much fun!
"There is no perfect DCS module." *Apache has entered the chat
They told me Casmo could give me everything I wanted in 4 minutes or less. They were right. Also, I do have all four and can't agree more. They each have their own quirks which makes flying them a unique experience.
I can’t last much longer than 4 mins anyhow. 🤷🏻♂️
@@CasmoTV >>> 🤭🤭🤭🤭
The Mi-8 is a Glorious Battle Wagon!
For me its the Hip. My country (Hungary) used it for many decades, I dare to say, she's as iconic here as the Huey in the western world. A huge heli. Plenty of switches to click. Love the 6 pylons, weapons and the gunners. Quite hard to fly, but very fun to learn it.
You'd be surprised at how dynamic you can get in the Hip, especially with it loaded light. Power for days and you don't have to worry about negative Gs nearly as much as you do with the Huey. Plus that autopilot makes it feel rock solid once you get it dialed in and trimmed where you want it.
I will definitely start with the Huey because I'm a Nam history nut :) Thanks for the video.
I own them all and still watched. Great video Casmo
The KA-50 is the sniper of the helis, great when you know where the enemy are. Gazelle is agile and can stop on a dime, so great when you suddenly being shot at and need to stop and hide fast, the auto-hover keeps it dead steady. The KA-50's auto-hover tends to drift and needs some trimming to keep it in place, not so good when you are close to trees and buildings.
Great advice. Choose the mission and go from there. Thanks for making this video.
Incredible graphics man ... it’s so crisp and beautiful !
Picked up Huey and HIP mid last year. Learnt the basics but navigated using IFR (I follow road/river). During a MP server mission we had 4 HIPS and 2 50s planned, seems KA-50 not popular. Over Xmas lucky me I won a free DCS module from Red Kite's holiday giveaway and I chose the Ka-50. @CasmoTV videos certainly influenced me.
Great video! Straight to the point and nothing I'd argue with. It's nice that none of them really compete with each other that much. Makes it easier to justify getting all four ;)
I'd love to have them make a chinook and add some of the missions we see it doing in videos. Mountain top deployment with the ass on the ground and the shoulders flying level. Boat Pickup, where the chopper hovers a quarter in the water so the boat can enter the chopper on it's own power. Mass troop deployment, or small vehicle deployments. Large supply drops. I don't know why, but these sorts of missions where some skill is needed to make them happen appeal to me. More so if they were to have a means of making them, "make a difference" in some form on online campaign the multiplayer servers runs. Looking forward to the Apache and Kiowa. The last Kiowa video made it look good, like it flies very well. Also looking forward to the future Cobra coming out, can't wait to hear what versions ED has in mind to make.
Once Kiowa Warrior drops in taking the plunge with a VR head set. Finally an aircraft I don't have to study, just fly. Going to dust off the old checklists too.
After the dearth of combat sims in the 00s I totally dived in to the ka50 when it released. Litterally spent a hundred hours just learning to fly it. Still my favorite (and most capable) helo in DCS
I like the KA-50 most because it's a single seater. I know using the other helicopters alone or in multicrew is perfectly viable, but it's not for me for immersion reasons (and I'm also not interested in multiplayer).
I got weeks of flight hours in the KA50 and I think it is the most versatile in combat situations as you can react to most threads and clear convoys and camps etc. Flying Gazelle rght now after 5+ years being out of service and it awesome in its own way.
From my own experience, the Gazelle is the best to teach you flying helicopters in DCS. It’s flight model is just tricky enough that it will help you learn how to fly without it being to frustrating with it’s forgiving flight model. While every helicopter is different, it’s helped me a lot in flying the Apache, Hind, etc.
I have all helicopter modules and far to less time. So with not enough training I had the most fun in the Huey and the Shark where I spend most of my time in. I really have to watch your Gazelle video since it frustrated me in almost no time. So maybe it is a good thing that I found your channel and subscribed.
Welcome aboard!
Quite a good and informative video. I have most of these helo's, although I don't have more than about 30 hours in each (haven't flown KA50 though). I do play this game on our clans server with a couple of clanmates. I haven't flown a real helicopter, so won't comment too much on the flight model. I really love the Mi8 when I'm flying solo, still have to get around to trying to slingload stuff (I have the oilfield campaign). Still, playing multiplayer in it, I like flying around in it. Its good having so many rockets allowing you to blanket any enemy convoys to "supress" them. The Huey is quite a nice aircraft, and its multicrew capability is great and a lot of fun, although the multi crew still needs a some work (mainly syncing the weapons control between the pilot and copilot, but its only on a few items unlike the Gazelle). The guns are fun to play with, and give the other crew members something to do whilst the pilot flies the aircraft. The Gazelle however, its ok to fly solo, but when you want to use this in multicrew, expect lots of bugs, panel lights wont work sometimes, even though they should and the system actually is in the correct mode (and will fire correctly), sometimes the camera won't track correctly until you move your stick again, and this isn't obvious (the "gunner" will have an image that looks fine, but the "pilot" will see the drift, and so when the gunner fires and misses, its annoying). In multicrew it can be an absolute exercise in frustration and I hope this isn't replicated with their KW as i'm looking forward to that (my clan mate can't wait for the Apache though)
Need an update once the ah64 comes out. Gotta say I think the Gazzelle looks fun, but for now, it's the HIND for me! What a beast and you can kind of throw it around a bit too. Just awesome.
Biggest problem with the huey is that you take some damage and then the main rotor just goes walkabout without warning. I mean I know the jesus pin was a thing back in vietnam, but it wasnt like they took some small arms fire maybe had some systems fail requiring a RTB just to have the main rotor take a solo flight to the moon. I will be buying the AH-64 and OH-58 to go along with my Hind purchase for 2020. First thing I have bought for DCS since F-14 years ago. And so glad they are getting back to their rotorroots.
I'm definitely into the Huey the most, carry crew to an LZ or carry mini guns and rockets and go full metal jacket on ground assets
When I started DCS World, I bought 3 planes and also got a Gazelle. I'm always in the Gazelle. Looking forward to the Kiowa.
Depends if you're a noob to hardcore flight sims, or if you're well into this kind of sim already. If you're a noob, like me, then I suggest going with the Huey. You can't go wrong. It's such an incredible helicopter, and you can really throw it around without it falling out of the sky. It takes quite a bit of hammer from enemy fire as well, and of course it's one of the most iconic copters of all time. Stick on flight of the valkyries full blast, and strafe some Charlie positions with either side-mounted miniguns and rocket pods, or with a door gunner on an M-60 to get that "full apocalypse metal jacket now" feeling. Awesome. If you're a seasoned simmer (not like me, I'm totally shit at these things, and have a very low-budget flight stick to boot), then go with something like the MI-8 or the truly truly amazing gunship, the KA-50 black shark. Black shark (and then black shark 2) was the very first hardcore flight sim I ever bought. And I still suck at it. But I also still love it. It's an amazing looking helo, and it's just so good at blowing shit up, that you can't help but have fun when you're in it. It also has a fairly decent campaign with the base game, that gives a nice introduction where you follow your leader (feels like the devs teasing you though, since he's flying a fucking Hind, and you can't fly those yourself in the game) around the whole mission area map. Takes a good while to fly the whole route, you have to stick close to your leader, and it gives you a great chance to get used to the helo, and tweak your settings and controls to your liking.
Very good summary and a very good attitude to have towards which one to pick up. Personally I gravitate towards a mixture of gunship and scouting roles, but after spending some time watching tutorials on the Ka-50 I decided I wasn't going to like it so went for the scout instead. I picked up the Huey first after hearing the negative press about the Gazelle, but eventually tried it out and honestly I found actually just flying the Gazelle much, much more enjoyable. You can really put it through its' paces while the Huey is much more sedate. Although especially now with multicrew the Huey is pretty amazing too, if a lot less capable in an environment with any real surface to air threats. I'm really looking forwards to the Kiowa for a bird that can buddy lase while having more teeth than the Gazelle, which isn't very flexible in what you can engage if you don't know what you're up against (but both the M and L are very fun to employ in the right conditions) and hoping the apache is user friendly enough for me to employ properly because the idea of being able to blow away an entire convoy with tanks and integrated AAA excites me a lot.
Thanks for the feedback. I’m looking forward to your thoughts on the Kiowa when it’s released!
So I got 3 heli(Black shark 3, AH-64D, Mi-24P) for 70$ during the Lunar Sale Bundle.
Good video. It should only be noted that those who decide to buy a DCS helicopter module will initially find it quite difficult to tame these aircraft, until they master the skill of control and cope with the logic of the autopilot. And one more thing, ED has an awkward habit of charging you for one aircraft multiple times. It happened to me, and many others, with the Black Shark for v. 1.0, then I paid extra for the upgrade from v. 1.0 to v. 2 and in the end I had to buy v. 2. The second time here is happening with the Warthog A-10C. And if you want to take an upgraded version of the A-10C II Tank killer, you will have to pay extra. Or buy the same plane again. So don't be surprised when they do it again with the AH-64 or the Mi-24. I expect this to happen with both the F-16 and the F-18 in the next year or two.
Great content... keep it up! You deserve more subscribers.
I agree lol. No I can’t complain. Not bad for a year and 2 months.
Again, excellent presentation. I’m Impressed with the speed and conciseness of the information but enjoy the visuals and how it’s presented. Appreciate the pro video work here. 👍🏾
Thanks!
“Let’s look at this through the lens of complexity, handling, and mission type” … followed by … “The Shark: This… continues to dominate the ass-kicking role of ED’s rotary lineup.” I laughed HARD hearing that in your dry, matter of fact delivery style. 👍
But what about the Harrier? Probably waiting for the Hind, 100% of the Mi-8 power, with 50% of the fuselage. Though I really like the switch flipping bars in the Mi-8 (don't know what the professional term is here).
Also a smaller prop though and heavier armour so definitely one to keep moving in.
Perhaps but because of all the armor it weighs a LOT more than the Mi-8. The Mi-24 also has the bars, they are referred to as "gang switches".
The thing ilove about the Gazelle is that you can trimm it like a Plane. Should be an option for all Helis
I just bought the gazelle as my first helicopter. Not disappointed. I love it. Don't believe all the crap reviews about it.
should be updated with the apache IMO
I started with the free Little bird Mod. It is so much fun and you can get pretty good at in few days
Update, almost a year has past and I have tried several other Helicopter modules in DCS. I still think Little bird was an exceptionally good place to start. it removed all the complexity of systems and weapons and really forced me to learn and understand the flight concept behind rotary aircrafts. It is not perfect but it covers the foundation of what you need to know very well.
I fly the Huey. It's the reason I got into DCS. WE NEED A DECENT SET OF HELICOPTER DEDICATED CONTROLLERS!
Virpil is releasing heli controls soon. Replica of the KA-50 and Black Hawk controllers.
The Gazelle was pretty easy to get into. I did lots of hunting during the Free for All with just a little studying and only knowing the bare minimum.
I just haven’t devoted the time. Too many modules!
@@CasmoTV That's my trick. No open that wallet! Was close to buying the Gazelle but then went for the 25-non-T for what, 7€? Still, much fun is being had. That said, resisting the 24 won't be easy I guess.
@@heinzriemann3213 it’s as good as bought.
Casmo I have a helo piloting question: do you need to use tail rotor input in level flight to keep on course (Huey)??? I kind of thought the tail in the wind with speed would keep it straight. Great vid as always!
Not “on course” but in trim. You may be crabbing into the wind and based on the winds and your power applied you will apply pedals to keep the aircraft in trim. Maybe I need to make a video...
@@CasmoTV that would be awesome! Thanks!
@@thebiggestoneyouveverhadHelicopters, like the Huey, as Casmo said, are usually flown in trim, meaning , the helicopter may be crabbed a bit into the wind and rolled as well to help maintain a straight course(do not confuse course and heading (heading is the direction your nose is pointing, course is your direction of travel across the ground e.g. your nose can be at 054 heading while maintaining a course of 035 across the ground)) and to maintain course you may have to crab or roll the aircraft to keep it moving in the right direction. If you are trying to maintain a given heading, then this can require a bit of leg work with the anti-torque pedals especially if the wind is high and is rear quartering. The Huey loses a lot of tail rotor effectiveness at higher speeds, which is why the vertical stabilizer is actually an airfoil. After about 60kia the lateral lift produced by this airfoil is actually enough to counteract the torque of the main rotor. This is actually something that one of the emergency procedures for loss of tail rotor is dependent on to do a run-on landing. The high forward speed produces enough lift on the vertical stabilizer to counteract the torque of the main rotor system but you have to keep that speed up all the way to landing or you'll lose control. This loss of tail rotor effectiveness, and as a way to protect the tail rotor, is what has given rise to the fenestron found on the Gazelle and other SA/AS and Airbus helicopters, it also led to the advent of the NOTAR system from MD Helicopters. These designs increased speed and increased safety by making the tail rotor less prone to damage though also become less effective with higher speeds which is why the Ka-50 has an actual rudder for better yaw authority at high speed. FUN FACT: The blades on the Gazelle's fenstron tail rotor are not space evenly around the hub.
@@ImpendingJoker Good stuff for thought/study. Thanks! This is why I like this channel.
The easiest way to manage the antitorques is to glance at the slip indicator and adjust accordingly. Remember that adding and taking away collective will force you to add some pedal too. You get used to it pretty quickly.
wait for the hind then do gunship missions AND transport missions
You forgot to mention one important thing. The Shark is the only one you can bail out of. LOL
I think the advice to choose the mission, not the platform, is a good one, but perhaps not for beginners. There is a difference between flying an aircraft and fighting an aircraft, and you can't fight effectively if you can't fly the bloody thing in the first place. First, I think it is important that we agree that helicopters are abobinations and a crime against nature. Somewhere, somebody figured there weren't enough ways to get killed with fixed-wing machines, so they came up with the helicopter, which added about a dozen more ways to buy the farm. A few of these are modeled in DCS, including the much-beloved vortex ring state and if you don't know what that is yet, you will learn. My humble advice is to start with the Huey. Basic chopper, basic missions. Fun to fly. Dang, it's a Huey, how can you have a helo in your hangar and no Huey? There are a few decent campaigns too. Then the Mi 8. Bigger, heavier, more complex but a workhorse. Do the oil field campaign; no shooting, but you will master the flying part. Then get into the shooting business. After that, while I haven't flown the others, you'll be able to concentrate on just learning a few individual machine peculiarities and systems and be on your way. Hopefully you have a good joystick. You cannot fly a helo without good rudder control, period. Twist stick don't really cut it. You cannot fly a helo without good collective control (i.e. you can see this as the throttle). What I did, after trying many things: I have a HOTAS Warthog. It has 2 throttle. So I set up the controls that one is the collective and the other the rudder (I have no rudder pedals). It works very well and give me that fine control you need for the both axis. You'll need this because a helo transiting into ground effect abruptly changes fying characteristics in many annoying ways, yet another wonderful way to get killed. Set up your trim button. The trim is your friend. You must master the trim. You must respect the trim. You must use the trim. You must think of the trim. The trim is life. The trim is control. Neglecting the trim is another way to get killed.
I'm starting at the Apache. Promised by March 31st by Wags himself.
Hello, I'm a total Newb and am looking at getting my 1st setup and am looking for info on everything thing I will need for an entire setup the PC, programs, flight controls which I've seen the trick complete extrusion base with True cyclic, collective, anti torque pedals which I've seen those from $700 to $2500. My questions are what kind of PC will I need, will a regular laptop work? Is there a line on used complete setups, flight control base units? Also for Vr goggles can I Integrate a occulus 2 quest or is there a better vr headset?
Brand new to DCS and Helis, been playing with the free Blackhawk module the last 2 weeks. Im about grab a trial. Which is the best starting point now in 2023?
Starting with the Apache rip
Only problem with helicopters is pvp multiplayer, a short travel with a jet takes ages with a helicopter and it's strength lies in attacking ground targets. I wish eagle dynamics would make the ground module more interesting and maybe free. so people can play in tanks or as soldiers fighting a war on the ground, people get a free game, we get free targets eagle dynamics get more exposure and probably more people wanting to take to the skies. win - win - win :)
I try all but shark all the way.
Ka50 Get it in the next sale, so the new shark 3 will be only like 9.99 instead of 79. 99
The KA-50 of course.
I can sort of decently fly the Blackshark now, using the special rudder trim option and the paddles on the back of the TWCS throttle. Do you guys think that will be suitable for the Apache or is having rudder pedals going to be mandatory for a good experience?
I think you’ll be fine
@@CasmoTV Thank you!
I can't remember if I asked this on another video, but do you have any plans on jumping into VR (or have you already done this at some point)?
I only fly helos in VR. There is no going back to flat screens. A simple one like the Huey relies so much on situational awareness near the gound that it is difficult to do on a flat screen, even with a head tracker.
earned urself a sub with this well made video!
Aah just what I was looking for. A heli guide for noobs that fits my millennial attention span. Excellent lol
Landing the Helo is my biggest epic fail!!!!!
As a guy who have over 3000 hours in the Huey alone, you cant treat it like a Gazelle. The Huey requires finesse to get it to fly it the way you want. If you crash because it dosent do what you want, you are flying it wrong. You do not fly it like you want to, you fly it the way the Huey wants you to. This is a universial law now matter what aircraft you fly.
Which is the hardest helicopter to land & fly & which is the easiest.
Lots of stability systems trying to assist you *AND LOTS OF STABILITY SYSTEMS TRYING TO MURDER YOU* I will remember this for the rest of life…
Hind all the way ! Héhéhé
EASY GUIDE FOR EVERYONE: Only one complete model with realistic physics and sound is Mi-8.....Nothing else
ThE HuEy Is ThE MoSt BeSt!1!
@@CasmoTV no.....mi8 is the bestest
We need a Huey remaster.
잘 봤습니다. .행복하세요
"warheads on foreheads" this is amazing
I'm reinstalling after a few years away and can't wait to start crashing in my own vortex ring again and again..
Please make a 2023 video on this
Hey Cosmo, are you going to assist DCS with Apache SME? They've advertised for help.
Nope. As I said in my reaction video I really didn’t spend much time in the delta model so I don’t think I would be much help. If they asked me to regardless sure I’d think about it but there are people with much more experience in that particular airframe that should do it. Put another way I feel like I would compromise my integrity to volunteer and make myself out to be something I’m not. We have that too much in this community...
@@CasmoTV Thanks for the reply. I agree with your comments. Your honesty, modesty and transparency are why you'd be ideal though. Regardless I look forwatd to your assessment of the D when it comes out. Thanks man.
@@shd4618 don’t get me wrong. If they asked me I’d jump at it lol. But to chase that down would be me telling fibs and I just don’t wanna go down that road.
@@CasmoTV Funny I thought you might be interested when I saw the ED forum post by Wags but totally get what you mean and very honest of you.
I’m interested to a point but not at the expense of my reputation.
Maybe it was already mentioned, but is it true, that Apache is quite a bitch to handle properly? And in what aspect? Hovering, transitions, etc or just overall character? Thank You.
Not true. Flies like a dream. 🤷🏻♂️
@@CasmoTV That's great to hear. Thanks for info.
I bought them all. The only shit one is the French one the SA whatever it's called. Don't fly the ka50 much either but it's definitely awesome. My favorites by far are the uh1 and mi8. At first I was like WTF the mi8 is shit but now it's all that I fly.
True Russian fashion the buttons are all over the place. No truer words have been spoken. Just did the two week trial of the Hind, need I say more? American version of a aircraft. You flip this switch to make the aircraft do something. Russian version you hit this switch and then have to hit a couple more to do the same thing, plus they are all in different locations. There was no Left to Right or making a U of the cockpit. I wonder if their newer aircraft are still as bad.
My first was the "Hip"......
My last lol
hi cosmo. which helicopter is the easiest to fly?
I’d say the hind at this point
how do I take off with my hotas? How do I even set keybinds? What do I press to re arm?
Bro…
@@CasmoTV Im serious....
@@CasmoTV I simply can't find anyone to tell me how it works.
@@kurtporschmann2530 I have no doubt. But that’s a lot to unpack and explain. I’m guessing you’re new to DCS. spend some time in the training missions and on KZhead.
@@kurtporschmann2530 join my discord and maybe someone can give you some help.
Can any of them be used for SEAD?
Gazelle can do sead mission with HOT3 and RWR.
Hello Kasimir
I don't know if anyone here can help but I just reinstalled and the sim appears to be locked to 60fps, it goes up if I look at the sky but I am not getting what I think I should be with my set up, it seems to hover around 40fps most of the time, which it shouldn't be. I've checked all the usual places for a fix but nothing so far, here's hoping! (Ryzen 5800X, 32GB RAM, RTX 3060, Windows 10)
You didn't mention the resolution you are running the sim in, if you are on a 2D monitor or if you are using a HMD or multiple screens. If you are using a HMD, it also matters what resolution you are playing at in the HMD. I only run at 3840X2160p if I'm in 2D. Your performance sounds about right for 1440p with a 3060 card. My performance was just like yours with my RTX 2070 Super, 40fps. Even my RTX 3080 sometimes struggles at 4K on the deck. Maybe turn down MSAA, shadows, grass detail, forest detail, ground textures, visual range & mirror's. This is a very demanding sim for me, probably because I have no experience below 3840x2160p and a HTC Vive Pro HMD. I couldn't even run this (how I wanted to) with a 3070 at 60fps, so I went for a 3080 and now it's fine in 4K at approximately 60fps if I turn down MSAA to 2X, but I still have trouble getting below 8/10ms latency in my Vive Pro, to get a consistent 90fps. I have an i9-9900K with 32 Gig of Ram as well. I'm not sure that's even enough Ram for a 2D single monitor 4K display, as some modern maps like Syria and Persian Gulf with all the high number of buildings on these maps eats all my Ram in the city's. My PC uses much less Ram in VR. One thing about the 30 series of GPU's that not a lot of people know about is that the video ram overheats to 90 degrees Celsius. Whilst your core GPU chip heat will be displaying a safe 70c under 100% load. This could just be the Founders Edition cards though. I make sure to turn my fan up to 100% when the GPU die chip reaches 60c Celsius in my MSI Afterburner gaming profile. This sim performed much better for me after I installed it to a NVMe M.2 SSD, inserted straight into the motherboard. I think (as in today) it still only uses two CPU cores as well.
@@British-Dragon-Simulations Thanks for your help. 1440P monitor, no HMD. Problem was using SSAA at 1.5 was killing my performance, down to 40fps from 80fps!
Kiowa coming SoonTM
“Soon”
What's your favorite?
Shark
I just downloaded it, are there any free copters?
No but there are some community fan based mods.
So... which module is completed?
Com-plet-ed… I’m unfamiliar with this word. Is that a word in DCS?
Huey.. huey... huey...
Grosssss
@@CasmoTV Not a chance
Helicopters are fun on DCS BUT... the ground aspect that needs to go with helos it's just not there yet. AI ground units are just too bad and it ruins the immersion completely for me. You blow up a truck with 20 soldiers standing nearby and 5 die in the explosion, the others just sit there like nothing happened.... or there's 4 armored vehicles and you blow one up, the other 3 drive 20 feet away then just sit there like they safe. When you are flying planes you're actually going around so you don't notice this as much but on a helo you are usually close by and you can see the stupid AI in first hand. It's a game breaker IMO.
Well this game and the community around it is solidly a fighter pilot centric one. Sadly.
@@CasmoTV I believe that will change with the Apache and kiowa
AI ground units are not fun in FS2020, not fun in Falcon4. Very dumb in DCS but heavily scriptable. Deadly in Arma3 but Helo are not really fun to fly there. Pick your poison.
So the Huey is NOT realistic?
Not completely. Not to me.
@@CasmoTV can it at least perform autorotations in DCS?
I don’t really practice them but Mover pulled one off the other day just fine on stream so yeah I guess So. It’s not a bad module, just not saying it’s perfect or “the best”.
@@CasmoTV thanks for the candid evaluation. I'll get it next time it comes on sale.
What helico...? Huey.
You aint wrong bro
Buy all of them. End of story.
Hey Cosmo! Do you know anyone that Can or Would make a CH47? Those are bad arrse!
ED is
@@CasmoTV Man, I mean CH-46! ... my bad
@CasmoTV >>> 👍👍