Real Lawyer Reacts to Suits (Episode 2 - Cell Phone Patent Problems!)
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You guys asked for it: more analysis of Suits! This is episode 2 of the first season. For some reason Harvey is putting together a VC deal and waits to file a patent until after he talks to investors. Regardless of Mike’s screw up (failing to file the patent), Harvey is the one that should have patented the cell phone LONG before. These guys are supposed to be good lawyers right?
SUITS has been highly requested; probably the most requested show on this channel. I think I missed Suits the first time around since I had already graduated from law school when it came out. But I’m glad I got a chance to watch this. This week i’m deconstructing the first episode of Suits.
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“Technically, he screwed his wife” The line that took this from great to legendary LMAO
But he actually didn't lol
@@lucym911 true but still funny
I came looking for this ! Not disappointed.
Yes hello I’d like to report a murder
i laughed so hard when he said this
OBJECTION: He goes to the paralegal for petty stuff just cuz she's hot
He also excels at memory tasks only and hasn't actually been to university to learn the practical side of law.
OVERRULED: It's incompetent laziness. Having a high IQ or impeccable memory is no substitute for experience. Harvey for all his lauded accomplishments and intelligence should of known this.
@@LDGecko objection: should have
Objection! Is this witness qualified to testify she is HOT? This is purely speculative.. What professional qualifications does the witness have to make this qualification??
@@swampwitch6133 "qualified to testify" my gender does???? more specifically my sexuality
Objection - the opening scene is not taking place at the law firm's offices. It's set at the offices of the tech firm that created the product that they then try to get the patent for. So it's clichéd but accurate to have things like air hockey and that sort of set up in a tech product company's offices. This point is backed up by Harvey telling Mike that he doesn't get to come into the meeting but instead has to go back to the office. He has to go back to the law firm's offices to file the patent.
Yea and this actually isn’t uncommon for tech companies there are actual tech companies that have have rooms with entertainment such as tv video game etc. I assume the air hockey is cuz the founder likes it.
Yea I stopped watching after this blatant error. If your getting the very first bit of analysis so obviously wrong then how can you trust the rest of the video…
@@WholelottaT It's not a legal error. He's a lawyer not a professional movie critic. You just don't want him to spoil your beloved show 😁
@@conorhallahan9625 My wife works for a tech company and they have air hockey, a ball pit, foosball, giant jenga, putting green, full gym, wall with a bunch of snack dispensers, etc
@@jpk1700 a lawyer ingnoring facts
Imagine if the first 8 episodes were just him researching and prepping for a patent application. That could be the big payoff at the end of the season. Think of the thrills. Think of the realism.
If it was treated as a b-plot or c-plot it could actually be pretty fun
Hahahahaha 😂😂
@@aguywithalotofopinions412 only if the joke was self aware, about how slow the legal process is. You could never do that as a matter of habit for the show. Only a one off joke.
Imagine if they wrote a story where the patent had been prepped for in advance and there was a last minute snag so that the writing wasn't objectively bad.
@@alphanerd7221 the thing is, unrealistic does not automatically make writing bad.
OBJECTION: The game room was not in the Pearson Hardman offices and facility
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was at the guy's tech firm
Most of this lawyer's reaction is basically him not knowing enough about the show or not watching it properly to understand simple facts like that. Just now that just because he's a lawyer, it doesn't make his opinions correct in any way.
@@kurodokuro1234 Yeah he's clearly never actually watched the show. I love almost all of legal eagles other content though.
@@XoXitsSaruhh Yeah sometimes it's a bit annoying. He makes a reaction about a clip, saying how out of place it is or how wrong it is when it can be clearly explained or already is clearly explained in the few minutes before or after that scene. I wonder many times if he even pays attention to the shows he watches sometimes
Kuro Dokuro Eg he explains that it’s improper for one side to see the judge, literally seconds later the judge exclaims this LegalEagle affirming it is fine but staying it prior to the fact and shouting it’s wrong came off wrong to me
OBJECTION , the offices in the first scene ARE of a startup, not a law firm.
I was just about to object the same!
@@sickboymclp As was I!
exactlly
Beat me to it lol
Mixtapes 3 Sustained! 🔨
“They’re both terrible at tennis.” Thank you! I am so glad someone pointed that out.
My mom is a patent attorney and she just about had an aneurysm when I showed her this episode
That is so funny, and true I'm sure. Procedure and blatant lack of professional integrity were totally ridiculous in this series, but a nice break from L&O and such. It was really about the personality conflicts; macho men and their underlying insecurities, and the gorgeous geniuses who actually get things done. I worked two weeks as a paralegal, through a temp agency, going into it with little clue what I was getting into. Fortunately, I am a quick study. Creating legal documents from templates and dictation, filing records at the courthouse, and managing the paper files is an important and nonstop process. These are the troops who keep the legal system functional.
OBJECTION: In my opinion, u should inspect the full trial of Mike in Season 5, love it tbh
Vincent Froehlich yes!
yes
YES
Yesssss
Agreed!!
I would also add that patents are handled by patent attorneys not normal lawyers with law degrees. To be a patent attorney you need both the science and legal training because you have to be able to understand the technology of the inventions that you are trying to get patents for. The way it works is that you go to university and get a degree in a scientific subject, such as Chemistry, Physics, Engineering etc., then you train to become a qualified patent attorney. No company, anywhere in the world would ever hire a normal lawyer to prosecute a patent application for them.
Dang, I should have mentioned that.
As a mechanic engineer that writes patents for engineering companies here in Brazil, when I first saw this episode a few years ago I almost decide to stop watching the hole serie, but fortunately the serie is very enjoyable to watch (keeping realism apart).
Wasn't this an individual inventor, not a company? Maybe he didn't know anything about patent attorneys.
@@francoluz9489 Yes, as a patent examiner in the UK this episode frustrated me immensely.
I would add that patent agents don't generally have formal education in law. You can take the patent bar without a law degree.
Objection : The game room was in the firm of the guy developping the tech, not the law firm offices. Proven around 1:33 when Harvey ask Mike to go BACK to the office and file the patent while they pitch in the conference room referenced earlier in the game room scene.
True.
When he comments on stuff like that I always wonder how he missed something so basic. I don’t remember that scene or episode but by watching the 30 sec he shows I can even tell what’s happening. I get kind of confused cuz it appears like he’s watching with way more context in real time
He might have missed it. Also, going back to the office could mean going back to where your desk when your in the same building as your office
Can you pin this reply
Sustained.
*[Less than 10 seconds in]* "Technically he screwed his wife." Me: "I'm glad I made popcorn. Let's do this."
You should really do S01E07. I’d love to see if that mock trial was realistic and if big law firms really bank on that to evaluate their lawyers.
I understand sometimes they do or at least used to, it would give them a chance to practice before the trial if they had time to play out difference scenarios of what MIGHT happen under different circumstances so they can be ready for it. Of course that's going to be based on time constraints too of if they have time for something like that before the actual trial.
@@swampwitch6133 now eveyone here is a lawyer
I talked to a lawyer in a big firm about that and she said that in the real world, lawyers don’t have time for mock trials.
Any chance he could still do a video on this?
@johnnyXx4321 you seem nice
This show should just be called DISBARRED: THE SERIES.
Geoff Green 👆
Ha! So true. But they do wear suits while doing what they do 🤣
Or Quid Quo Pro: The Show
@@SuperNuclearUnicorn Or, Quid Quo Pro: Disbarred
Geoff Green ok why is this actually funny lmao
As the show progresses, Mike gradually becomes a very proficient lawyer. His memory helped him get the job, but the experience of working with the firm makes him formidable lawyer. It is fun to watch his character in later seasons, and then watch his character in Season One.
Mike is a junior associate. In the first episode Harvey asks "Why don't we just hire the summer associate?" When Jessica tells him to hire someone. Louis also references "the first years" frequently.
Objection; on your confusion. Mike has an Eidetic Memory, this means he's capable of memorizing vast amounts of information permanently. He's not a genius, he just has multiple law books in his head which he can draw upon. That doesn't mean he has experience in drafting legal documents or practicing law as one would get from going to law school. He can only draw upon his experience, just like anyone else, in doing such activities.
Correct except he is still a genius because if his ability to lay out logical arguments and use the knowledge he has at his disposal. Alot of people have excellent memories but can't apply the information they remember.
@@KOQ1278723 No, genius requires extreme intelligence and the ability to solve problems in unique and different ways. Mike Ross isn't an idiot, by all accounts, except for his eidetic memory, hes about average. The ability to go "oh I read this, this applies to this" doesn't take a genius. In fact, him not being a genius is what makes him a good lawyer. A genius would ask the question "why doesn't x apply to y?" even if the law (x) doesn't apply to the case (y). A good lawyer needs to know the legal framework that they're working within. Application of memorized information doesn't a genius make.
@@XtomJamesExtra Remember when he challenged Harvey and Jessica to legal battles. And he beat both. How he got to keep the job proving his merrits. So either you believe none of them are genius and yet somehow manage to run a massive multifloor what easily hundred employee law firm? In New York City none the less. And be amongst the best in the city. Im not saying everyone who works there is a genius. I'm just saying both of them are Harvard trained lawyers. And he outsmarted them both. Legally. Either you definition of genius is too limited. Or you're underestimating these two managing partners of a law firm.
@@KOQ1278723 He did, but that didn't take a genius. Look, I'm going to blunt here with you and don't take this as bragging okay. 1)I have an eidetic memory, and 2) My IQ according to Mensa is 142. I'm considered a genius by IQ standards. (I typically don't share this with people, so why I'm doing it here to make a point...) His Eidetic Memory gives him a huge edge, in any contest that depends on information. He didn't need to be a genius to beat Jessica or Harvey. Genius is defined as "...a person who displays exceptional intellectual ability, creative productivity, universality in genres or originality, typically to a degree that is associated with the achievement of new advances in a domain of knowledge." Mike simply doesn't fit this; he doesn't have universal utility in multiple fields, he isn't original, he doesn't offer new advancements in the field of law, and arguably he doesn't display "exceptional intellectual ability". Throughout the series he repeatedly relies upon the talents of the people around him to solve the legal and social problems he encounters. In the very first episode, and throughout the first and second season, he relies heavily on Rachel Zane to get basic things done. Things he could have taken 10 minutes to lookup how to do and then do himself. Again, he has a unique ability, memorization of vasts amounts of information, but the entire story premise is him learning how to be a lawyer and using that information. If he were a genius, there'd be no story and no show.
@@XtomJamesExtra I just don't care. He's clearly portrayed as a genius in the show. That's it. Period.
OBJECTION: Mike was not hired as a summer associate in the pilot because they weren’t interviewing for summer associates. They were interviewing for first year associates: specifically one to work under and assist Harvey due to his promotion to senior partner.
KStar wrong, Harvey gets the promotion, Jessica tells him he has to hire his own associate given he made senior partner. Harvey refuses and asks if he can’t just take the summer associate because he doesn’t plan on working with anyone anyway.
@Hyperterminal. I have seen that episode probably for more than thrice. @Sophia Angelova is right.
sustained. we also later see them bring in 5th year associate Katrina Bennett
@@SophiaAngelova he wanted to hire as an actual 1st year associate the summer associate the company already had. But Jessica wanted him to hire his own 1st year associate, which was mike
@@pmparda Exactly this.
Objection; He “allegedly” screwed the judge’s wife.
"This whole episode is so stupid" is my reaction to every episode of Suits, but I couldn't stop watching it 😂
"You were blackmailing the judge and now the judge is blackmailing you these two deserve each other" lmao
Obection! Mike isn't a legal mastermind, he "only" has a brilliant memory with which he can remember anything he wants to, such as legal texts. This is why he doesn't know how to fill out a patent form, he is normal smart with an amazing memory. He is also extremely good at maths, but again, that doesn't help with filling out forms.
Those two things, math and memory, seem to be how we often grade intelligence. Problem solving, analytical and reasoning skills are harder to quantize so they are often overlooked. Have a memory that allows you to recall Shakespearean sonnets and mathematical formulas and you receive special attention from your instructors.
@@Scott-ql2kx That's exactly what Connie just said... Did you do well in reading and comprehension courses?
@@Rappoltt Well she did say it got overlooked.
@@conniethesconnie Problem solving, analytical and reasoning skills is precisely math. Remembering formulas is almost irrelevant, and that's coming from someone with a masters degree in mathematics, and a horrible memory nevertheless.
@@conniethesconnie I so can't argue with you there, you spend so much time just memorize the facts they are spewing you really don't LEARN anything not unless you have a eidetic memory you aren't going to remember it, chances are by the next quarter everything you will have studied and memorized from those tests will be forgotten because you will be focused on memorizing new material. You really just parrot the information gives, forget the old material and move on. Great comment and point
Suits: How To Get Disbarred in 30 Minutes or Less
Objection: 3rd point I guess. Mike was hired by harvey because he was different and more like him, not because off his legal knowledge.
it was also his legal knowledge, Harvey was the most respected at the firm and Mike basically beat him with his eyes closed. Overruled
I haven’t watched suits in while but thinking back on it Harvey blackmails like 70% of the people he deals with
Lol true!
Yeah like i said in this show if he got caught he would have gotten more time than Charles Manson in prison with all the people he was blackmailing and defrauding not to mention his ass would have been disbarred for it. I love the show but hahah Harvey is just shady as HELL!
He's a hero. I love it.
@@hilaryhongkong shady closer
Every ethan Literally everybody in this show blackmails everybody lol
Objection! You can't complain about Harvey doing stuff that should really get him disbarred when that's *the whole premise of the show*.
But this is the very problem which plagues the American TV Show system. The writers promote this type of BS and clueless laypeople begin to buy into it and think it is 'cool'. The premise of the show is nonsensical.
The only intentional disbarrable offence should be the hiring of Mike and having him pretend to be an attorney. If Harvey makes multiple other disbarrable offences with every case then hiring fake lawyers is no longer an exception, undermining the premise you're referring to.
Judge Virulence I’ve seen cops watch cop shows on TV and they get frustrated watching it cause they say it’s super false. I think a lawyer watching this show is very mild compared to police watching police shows/movies.
Judge Virulence it’s entertainment jeez calm down
@@Judge_RR Hey man this is TV. There are Aliens, Giant Dinosaurs, Dr. House. It's a show. Why So Serious? Don't even answer.
It's so interesting and funny to watch this, specially as someone who has been a law student and a film student. It's funny to see how the screenplay and the blocking/stage/acting etc can fool us and make us enjoy the most ridiculous premises (when it comes to real life). Your reviews are really great, I'm really enjoying this channel!
imagine this guy as your dad! "I DONT WANNA CLEAN MY ROOM" "well you entered into an agreement with me son on blah blah date, these records show you are liable ect ect" lmao
What are you even talking about
@Suckafield lol wtf
Objection: Etc. not ect. It's short for et cetera.
I'm a trade mark examiner and am friends with some patent examiners in my building. It takes them about a month to get through a patent examination, and that's not including the backlog time after someone's filed and it's waiting to get examined. These things take forever.
A month seems an awfully long time. It takes me approximately 2-3 days to process an individual application, but our backlogs are 6 months old.
That's probably true, but it's narrative convenience. It would be kind of boring if they didn't follow up on the filing of the patent for months.
I don't see why couldn't utilize time skips. Or maybe that would affect how the relationships between the characters would have to be presented?
WAIT, things don't happen over night???
They could, but it's a TV drama, not a documentary about how law is practiced in the US. Hitchcock once said that drama is life with the boring bits cut out.
OBJECTION: Mike isn't a legal genius as stated at time code 2:33. He's merely able to recall everything he reads. Meaning he has no experience with doing things a lawyer would do such as filing a patent.
Exactly this. My short term memory can be pretty great, but muscle memory and intuition do all the work for me. Not a day goes by when I don't explicitly watch or feel myself do something automatically or get a gut feeling that's exactly on point. Experience is extremely OP.
So there is no description of how to file a patent in any of the legal books Mike has read?
Overruled becuase he clearly has studied the law, else he could not pass the LSATs
@@untitledC64 he studied law but got expelled so he was never a lawyer prior to PS
Was just going to write this lol
These videos are great. It’s so sad that you stopped doing them. They are funny and entertaining and you have some great one liners yourself.
I would love to see his reactions to internal law firm politics later in the show - it always seemed to me this was likely largely realistic though yes the entire firm would have been shut down several times by the time they got to these episodes.
Objection: he goes to the paralegal as most of his information comes from memorizing law books which usually dont have paperwork
Objection! The game room at the start of the episode is not at the law firm, it's at the client's tech startup office.
Exactly, dude watch the full episode then make comments
This
Blackmailing a judge then whining when the judge does it back. Our hero, everybody!
Hell Harvey blackmailed just about EVERYONE in this show. If he was a real lawyer he would have been not only disbarred but would have had probably literally 100's of lawsuits against him for blackmail and fraud. He would have wound up getting more time than Charles Manson (rofl)
Blackmail is such an ugly word, I like to think of it as a persuasive argument.
6:28 You are in fact correct, Devin. According to the United States Patent and Trademark Office or USPTO, it can take about 22-23 months to get patent approval after you go through the steps of filing a patent, so getting patent approval just one day after you ran through the steps of filing a patent is logistically impossible.
Objection the office wasn’t the law firm it was the tech start ups office. Harvey tells Mike “go back to the office and file a patent” implying they are at another office not their own.
"Technically he screwed his wife" LMAO!
😂😂😂😂
But he didn't! Oops, spoiler. :)
objection allegedly screwed his wife
👊
Objection! calls for speculation!! Did the defendant physically witness him screwing his wife?
Suits stops being about cases fairly fast, and just becomes a soap where most law stuff is about how to cover their own asses. Still liked it though.
Exactly like Dr. House.. even with some episodes from the jail and major-ish changes in stars and main ppl
Teste Dich House always revolved around a new medical riddle every episode though, or have I simply forgotten how it went?
This makes it sound like it's just a few steps away off being a Lawyer version of Archer.
Yeah, I'm currently on season 3 and I miss the actual cases, instead of Harvey and Jessica fighting about who's loyal and who betrays what. And Mike dropping the ball constantly with Rachel.
Yeah usually.. i thunk there might've been a couple without a major case. what i meant to point out with the first comment is that both are drama series, one's a legal the other a medical drama show. I don't remember any case but a few being really important in the story with either series. Most of them are used for character development or to have a storyline for an episode
I'd really love if you made more reactions to Suits. Thoroughly enjoyed this and the show.
Why did you stop making these kind of videos about “Suits”? I’d love to see more content related to this particular show!! Great job by the way! As a lawyer from outside of the U.S., I’ll tell you, your videos are suuuper interesting. Took me less than two videos to subscribe to your channel.
Let me guess, Filipino? 🤣
Probably cuz Suits fans got butthurt
Still patiently waiting for legally blond
do it
Same:) And sequel.
I 'oughta kick his ass
Maybe ask for "legally blonde" then
@@frozenthorn9619 I did a while ago and was told it will be in 2019, @LeagalEagle did not mention month though.
I object to your description of him as a great legal mind. No one ever said that. The way they classified him was someone with a brilliant memory. He has the ability to read something once and memorize it. He understands law because he’s read the material. What they should do is provide him with how to books on fillings and basic tasks that attorneys do, once he reads how to file a patten, he should know how to do that going forward.
patent*
Lol yeah, so if he looks up how to do it he’ll learn how to. Just like everyone else in the world.
Objection: that game room WAS in a tech start up company building😂 not the law firm
Yes. I was working at the patent department of my institute and I was responsible for this exact type of work: searching in databases for any related scientific work and previous patents, methods used, etc. It is a very specialized work because you need to know what the patent is actually about and what are the differences.
Objection! Prior to 2012 when the America Invents Act was passed, the US patent system was a first-to-invent system, not a first-to-file system. This episode aired in 2011. Thus, I wouldn't consider it malpractice that he filed his client's patent a day after the other guys filed theirs. If he has documentation showing when he conceived of his invention, he can get his patent granted and the other's denied. The process for doing this is known as an interference proceeding before the patent office (which is what Harvey should've done rather than sue for an injunction). Also, prior to the AIA, making your invention known to outsiders isn't the worst thing in the world, since you still get one year to get a patent on it.
Sounds like the America Invents Act was a very bad idea.
Yeah this is news to me. I remember this being a big point of emphasis in my senior design class. It meant you could take your time and file a patent when your designs were ready. It was seen as a big reason why there's more innovation in the US... This sounds like a terrible idea.
Yeah, Washington seems to flip between “Let’s do it because everyone else does” and “Let’s do the opposite of what everyone else does” with seemingly little effort to figure out why things would be done in a certain way. To be fair to the AIA supporters (which was 90% of Congress as well as the President), invention is a process and if simultaneous processes are going on it can be difficult to determine who was first at all the crucial components. But the date filed is unambiguous. So this is meant to clarify the process and reduce lengthy lawsuits.
And allows large companies to steal individuals' inventions. I'd say that's the primary impact.
@@userJohnSmith Enh, there was already a process for bypassing patents that corporations did before then. Ie, look at the patent and figure out how to do it better in a way that allows them to make their own patent for the improved process.
That paralegal is a duchess now.
RIP Mike Ross
of sussex right?
And the royal family seem to hate her, for good reason too. What other dutches has nudes and TV sex scenes?
@@lilgsq You can't spell Sussex with out sex
@@jazzycat8917 "acting" today is brought down to a standard so low that merely taking off your shirt is considered acting... What happened to talent? Skill? Are those too over rated for 2019?
The patent thing is crazy. My dad filed for a few patents (he's not a lawyer) and yeah it was like a year long process and tons of work and a lot of science involved, it's not just simply filing like they are showing.
Every time James says "disbarred", I laugh like mad on the show. XD
You should do the episode on the napkin contract. My business law prof. Used it in our contract law class
Ooh that was one of my favorite episodes and I've been wondering the likelihood and validity of everything that went down there ever since I first saw it. Also that whole Coastal Motors fiasco that the napkin contract was in the middle of, I really want to see his reactions to all that.
Oh wow how cool, how did he use it?
That was the most realistic episode lol😂
"BLACKMAIL" "NO BUENO" 😂😂😂
I’m 4 years late on a Suits bing but this is very refreshing to have some reality slapping Hollywood in the face for those like me who wouldn’t know the difference. Thank you so much.
The scene when Simba returns in the original Lion King is sort of a trial, I always wondered if scar's confession wouldn't be considered under duress.
2:34 But isn't that like the whole premise of Mike's character? He's able to learn basically everything in a heartbeat, but constantly struggles with basics, because he just hasn't put the time in gathering actual experience he didn't read in books? I didn't study the law, but I'm guessing how the paperwork for filing a patent looks, just isn't book knowledge
In fairness, he should be able to google it - at least the filing bit. How to properly draft a patent for a cell phone will require a working knowledge of electrical engineering, mind you, but yeah, it's pretty google-able.
This episode was released in 2011, before the AIA (Leahy-Smith America Invents Act), meaning it follows the "First-to-Invent" rather than "First-to-File" system. Under the FTI standard, an inventor would still be entitled to a patent, even if another party filed for a similar invention, as long as they are able to show that: (1) they have an earlier conception date of the invention, and (2) the invention was not abandoned, suppressed or concealed. Additionally, if the second party did not develop the phone independently and obtained the technical specifications from the original inventor, they would be prevented from getting a patent under Pre-AIA 35 U.S.C. 102(f). So even though he took his time to file (bad idea don't do), he might still have a chance at getting the patent!
Good point!
Why didn't you state it as an objection?
Damn
Objection! I was looking for this exact comment. Totally agree, since the episode was before 2013 (when the AIA took effect) the patent would be first to invent. I think it is also worth noting that (1) the patent office has a procedure to deal with these exact issues called an “interference” procedure, where you prove that even though you filed second you invented first. Good lawyers would be spending their time filling an interference, rather than trying to get an injunction for filling (not even getting the issued patent) a patent, which would never be granted. (2) Only Lawyers who are specifically barred with the USPTO (which requires having a science or engineering degree in addition to a law degree) can practice and file patents before the USPTO. (3) The idea that a lawyer who is not a specialist in Patent law would be handling a patent application is silly. Patent Law is a very specialized area of law (as many areas of law are), many lawyers (such as I) spend their entire career doing just patent work. Filling a patent is not something someone does on a whim, and many big law firms have entire specialized groups of people to work on patent issues. (4) Filling patents is not easy. In addition to a prior art search, patent fillings are not a “legal” filling in the true sense. Rather they are a technical disclosure to the public. Filling a patent involves interviewing the inventor, collecting documents, reviewing and understanding the technical aspects of the invention, and then drafting a technical specification which describes the invention in technical terms. It is much more like drafting a technical manual then a pure admin filling. In reality draft specifications would have to be circulated with the inventors to make sure that if captured the “inventive concept.” Then the inventors would have to execute sworn oaths of inventorship. Then once the patent office looks at the application, it is reviewed by an examiner and the lawyers and the examiner negotiate over the scope of the invention and the prior art. (5) The Patent Office can take years before an examiner is even assigned to review a filling. Many patents issue with thousands of days of patent office delay (it is listed on the cover of the patent). (6) NDAs are very common for investor meetings when IP rights are involved. I would say it would be malpractice not to insist those investors sign an NDA. (7) They said in the video “the patent office found a similar claim.” This is not how prior art works. The patent office reviews the totality of references for the subject matter in the invention. A claim is a narrow right given by a patent, but is in most cases not considered per se to be prior art. Patent claims can change throughout the course of an application, or years after the fact (for example if there is a CIP or CON application). Therefore, a claim is not always prior art, only the technical specification. While there is a thing called double patenting which looks to the scope of the claims, this is normally only when the same person tries to get the same patent claim twice.
More Suits reactions please; it’s a damn entertaining show!
*First few seconds* "Technically he screwed his wife." Me: Wait, what?
OBJECTION: Suits is a show about crooked lawyers. All these points are true but moot.
Crooked lawyers who apparently don't know how to actually lawyer half the time. The crookedness only explains away like half his points.
His point is that it's unrealistic that these "crooked lawyers" would get away with all of these egregious things, so the point isn't moot at all. They commit about 10 acts which could have them disbarred per episode. I can stretch my imagination for a story somewhat, but none of these people would ever get away with the piles and piles of corruption they're sitting on. There's just way too much oversight.
His criticism is mainly on the point of incompetence, not moral character.
More like dimwit lawyers (and the show entire law system). I’m not even in the law to know how ridiculous the writing in this show. Entertaining yes but only simpleton will be fooled by it. Watch Better Call Saul. That’s a better rep for crooked lawyer.
your face is moot
Thousands of pages for one case?! So that's where the forests are going...
I love suits and I'm a law student in the U.K. I find it interesting to see how it compares to our law and how realistic this show is! The more I watch it the more I question it too, but I do love it! Please make more of these videos for Suits!
"This whole episode is so stupid!" LMAO! I'm sorry but that was funny.
"You're blackmailing each other!"
Thats so funny
"This whole episode is so stupid!" 😂😂 love it when you get all tetchy haha
Ikr, it'd be so difficult for a real lawyer to watch this show lmao. Missing the ironies and all that.
Just started watching your channel a few days ago. Enjoy it immensely. As someone who always covers his angles and plausibilities (habit formed dealing with a multitude of things through my life), I enjoy how you cover all angles and still stay neutral which is evermore complicated these days. Keep it up. Enjoy your arguments and break downs.
I would've rewatched the entire series with him commenting on it. Love the series and love the insight!
Same here
If only he had the time. I watched episode but thw last season in about 2 weeks. SO good.
This episode is basically "How to Trigger LegalEagle 101"
No that was How to Get Away with Murder episode 1 🤣
@@CherChersCorner Oh man... that one... yikes... he basically said that everything she did was a disbarment worthy offense.
@@jazzycat8917 What are they, some kind of malpractice squad?
I'd love to see you do a lot more on Better Call Saul, not every episode is always all about the courtroom but the lawyer stuff is very entertaining and usually pretty accurate. I'm sure you'd love it, especially curious what you'd think about some of the episodes in season 3
Agreed. Such a good show.
IKR, it’s a better lawyer show.
Absolutely
Objection. The reason Lewis referred to Mike’s proofing as, “Spectacular“ was due to the order and simplicity Mike used when organizing the data to find errors. For example in the show Lewis references Mike’s catching of certain “discrepancies” which helped the firm “hugely.”
Man, I loved how you explained and analysed everything!
“Technically he screwed his wife “ 😂😂 omg best part of the video. I love legal eagle.
Objection: Allegedly screwed his wife, this his based purely on hearsay!
This guy always has the dopest suits I'm so jealous
OBJECTION - I love the show and I love this series, keep makin these mate they’re hella enjoyable
Just found your channel here, watching your video just as interesting as watching the actual show itself, if not more. Thank you!
"These two deserve eachother". I'd wager this is how actual system corrupt court system might get started.
OBJECTION: you ruined the show for me.
Hahaha.. Indeed
You have to imagine that the show takes many liberties for time constraints and to elevate the drama. A lot of suspension of disbelief
He is not "debunking" the drama. He's just pointing out legal inconsistencies and he often praises the things they got right too.
Then you Better Call Saul
Sustained
Would love to see a few more Suits reviews one day.
Just finished watching Suits and found this. Love it, and the lawyer is gorgeous!
Objection! The patent office allows an inventor a 1 year grace period to file for a patent after public disclosure by the same inventors.
There are caveats to the 1 year grace period, so it's still not best practice to rely on it in the US. The biggest problem though is that other countries don't have a grace period. So you lose the ability to get patent protection everywhere in the world. For a multinational cell phone company, that's a big loss.
12:40 Objection your honor. Council is being savage.
I think you forgot to mention that in patent law it is common to bring non-lawyer experts to review the potential technical similarities with previous work. It happens often (at least in medical technology) since that expertise provides the knowledge needed to successfully prove "innovation".
OBJECTION : awesome, I really like it, PLS continue with the rest of the episodes, I really enjoyed watching ur reactions 😊
The thing with Mike isn't that he is some hot shot lawyer who didn't go to Harvard. It's that he remembers everything, but hasn't practiced anything. That's why he doesn't know how to do simple things.
I would also say that a patent cannot be "denied" that quickly. In the UK we write an exam report that has a list of "objections" on it, i.e. reasons why I'm not going to grant your current claims, one of which might be "Your invention as defined in claims 1-x is not new because it has already been disclosed in the following documents", then I'll write an explanation for why that is. You can then either amend your claims, i.e. add or delete things to it, change it in some way, or argue why you think I'm wrong. Eventually, if we can't agree a hearing officer will decide if the objection should be dropped, or the application potentially refused, but even then you would have the right to appeal that decision to the courts. So to say an application was processed and "denied" in a day is totally absurd.
Very informative! I wish you would do every episode. It gives a different perspective to what goes on in the show
yeah i think you should def bring the suits reviews back, especially as netflix has gotten millions of new viewers to the show - would be great for the algorithm if nothing else
"How dare you blackmail me, when I was already trying to blackmail you! You devious bastard."
I worked as a copy clerk in a law office. I made more of those binders than I can count. lol
I just wanted to say, I'm not a lawyer or law student, but these reacts vids are very entertaining.
I would love to know how accurate "the Practice" is! Love that show!
14:00 OBJECTION: Possession is illegal, not consumption. NY PL 221
Objection! Just because someone is a "genius legal mind" doesnt mean he knows what the paperwork would look like, especially if he never worked at a law firm. Understanding the law and being familiar with the minutiae of its related paperwork are two seperate beasts. That's what paralegals are for.
Mike can’t do anything he’s never done before. The way his mind works is the moment he reads/does a thing he understands it and when he understands it he never forgets
Sad to find out he hasn't done episode 3 of this yet.
You have to do more of these Suits episodes, great to watch you analyse certain parts of the show. Loving the professional review!
Why is this guy literally Johnny Sins but with hair and stubble?
he's more like lawyer ryan reynolds
OH DEAR GOD ILL NEVER UNSEE THAT
Maybe Johny Sins gave up on his job as a doctor and part-time superhero to become a lawyer and save MILF's that are in a lawsuit (pro bono)
@@doehetvoorgentstudent2113 you mean pro bon-er
I love your videos! I am about to enter my 3L year and it’s funny how differently you start to view these types of shows. I tried to watch Boston Legal recently and realized I couldn’t quite enjoy it like it used to. Lol.
I love this !! it makes me feel like I know the law when i don't know anything about it
You make law learning super interesting and look forward to more real cases in your fantastic video.
Video starts with a snarky, blunt "Technically he screwed his wife." This is gonna be a good one
We need more Suits reactions! They are awesome
At 12:48 mile has no tie, and top button undone. A few seconds later he has a tie on