Really Bad r/Legaladvice - Deleting Emails to Avoid Subpoena
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Ah, yes. Reddit. The land of rSlash. It is such a great place and such a terrible place. If you ever wondered if lawyers actually read r/legaladvice, the answer is yes. Whether it’s actually lawyers who are GIVING advice in r/legaladvice, I can’t confirm that.
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YOUR?
I AM METADATA AND SO ARE YOU!
Misusing "you're." Objection!
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"Stop doing illegal things." Crime rate all over the world drops to 0%
They would create crime
We did it boys, crime is no more
@truth seeker But that doesn't mean it's a crime if it's outside of jurisdiction of the State where it's illegal and none of the parts are members of said State. I mean, sure it might be a crime in Saudi Arabia do drink alcohol while drawing Mohamed, but it's not their jurisdiction to say what non citizens of theirs do while wasted in Neo Zealand or whatever.
*drops below 0%*
LegaEagle has no work and becomes homeless.
"Stop doing illegal things." -sews tag back onto mattress
You can remove the tag. The stores can't remove the tags. Those tags exist because they use to put very disgusting things in the mattresses and wouldn't say what was in them.
What is it not obvious Michael here works at mattress store duh
I swear I read screw. I looked at it again and read sew but in my mind it still said screw. It wasn't until the third time I hit my head with a gallon of glue for being stupid. PS this is a joke it was 3 litres of glue what do you think I am crazy?
@@SirNarax what
@@katelynrhodes5315 what kinds of thing
4:23 I am absolutely in TEARS that a request for documents is classified as "rule 34"
Normal people: source? Lawyers: documents requested
Interesting
Rule 34 of LegalEagle: If it exists, there has been a legal case about it. Rule 35 of LegalEagle: If there has been no legal case about it, there will be a legal case about it.
@@_somerandomguyontheinternet_ *If there has been no legal case about it, start sueing
@@npas76 lmao
IMO any cop who turns off their mic or body cam while actively on duty should be found guilty of spoliation of evidence.
most cops would probably be found guilty
@@Lil1kv that’s why they do it.
@@Lil1kv That's a good thing. Better than never investigated or allowed to resign. Charge them for the crimes they commit, punish them accordingly, and hire competent and humane people to replace them
@@Lil1kv You say that like it's a bad thing?
Yeah, afterall that footage is meant to be used for the safety of civilians and the cops themselves, but...the majority of people can't and or won't understand the experiences of other people because "it doesn't happen to me so clearly it doesn't happen at all"
Rule 34 document request Can’t say that’s one I’ve ever searched for
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
JJ C and now I’m imagining legal porn. I hate you now.
judge, prosecutor and opposing consul going at while the jury watches and gives a final verdict? could be interesting
Just take Harvey Birdman Rule 34 and switch out the head...
Rachel Erdmann You’re welcome
"The only thing better than doing the right thing is having a paper trail of doing the right thing." Fantastic.
Hello 1715.
As a watcher of r/ videos, that's true
You were on 420 upvotes before I upvoted... but I upvoted anyway :-). Yeah I reddit.
This seriously needs to be a t-shirt. Get in with DFTBA?
Thats one of my favorite parts of baby driver, the trail of character witnesses that get his sentence reduced. A good take on "renegade cop sets a city on fire and no one even mentions it" and the Seinfeld finale.
Anytime a boss gives you legally a questionable order, ask him to put it in writing. He’ll probably mumble something like “never mind,” demonstrating that he (1) knows it’s illegal, and (2) was setting you up to take the blame. Time to get a new job, but quietly document the events while they’re fresh in your mind, If he does put it in writing? Time to get a new job (but document events). A professional always has to be ready to quit a job like this, so keep enough in an emergency fund to tide you over.
Don't just ask them to put it in writing, *you* should put it in writing FIRST. Send them an email "as per our discussion, just to be clear, you want me to xyz?" and ideally CC: it so someone else is in the loop. That way they can't deny it was requested, or they can back out "no you misunderstood" etc. But also if your boss is questionable, you should probably update your resume first.
“The only thing better than doing the right thing is having a paper trail of doing the right thing.” What a fantastic line
"Stop doing illegal things." Well, boys, we did it. Crime is no more!
@@JB-xl2jc Hamurabi really missed a trick, there.
"Stop breaking the law, Asshole"
Also, "everything you do is illegal" So just don't do anything, ever.
Batman just got put out of business :P
"in sweden it is forbidden by law to be a criminal"
One day he's going to forget the disclaimer and accidentally become our lawyer.
“Alexa, remind me to add my legal disclaimer…“
I’ve seen breaking bad, I’m pretty sure if you use his affiliate link he’s your lawyer.
Lol
Look at me. I’m the client now.
And then a $2000 bill just shows up in every one of our mailboxes lol
3:41 While I am not a lawyer myself, I do have quite a bit of experience regarding rule 34.
"The only thing better than doing the right thing is leaving a paper trail of doing the right thing" LOVE IT
Rule 34 of Civil Procedure: If it exists, it's illegal.
Now your likes amount to 69. Very fitting.
Has anybody Rule 34’d Rule 34?
@@Cheyne_TetraMFG A very intriguing question, but I wouldnt be surprised. edit: Unfortunately yes and now I want my eyes removed from their sockets.
@@Tsuyoshi_Kanda i can help oh shit this is a legal channel
Objection! This means rule 34 is also illegal.
"Stop doing illegal things." *Puts down knife and let's my hostages go*
Ah yes, the negotiator.
🤣
😂
Good we got that in writing...
😂
I was waiting for you to say "I've argued in front of every Judge in this state. Often as a lawyer!"
This is the only situation where a Rule 34 Document Request means something even remotely SFW
*TAKE TO THE SEAS! THEY CAN'T ARREST YOU IF YOU'RE ON INTERNATIONAL WATERS!*
Crick1952 ARRRRRR
Tortuga?
Unless you are carrying the flag of a given Nation on your vessel, then you're subject to that nation's laws and regulations.
i do not consent to creating joinder with this fringed admiralty flag
@@tysonstewart2302 We fly the black flag
4:23 "Rule 34 Document Request" Also know as 'Requesting the Sauce' That is a procedure I am very familiar with.
lmfao
A fellow man of culture.
My pasta is a bit dry
yes
Why is it called requesting the sauce? I know there's a story behind it, and I'm genuinely surprised it took 6 months for someone to ask what it was.
Always get everything in writing is just a good idea in general. I work in IT, in a previous job we had a company laptop that we were told to quarantine because it may be needed for a dispute case. We kept that thing for over a year, until my boss said that it "obviously" wasn't needed any more and we could get rid of it. I told him we'd specifically being told to quarantine if until further notice by legal, so that unless I had it in writing, I wasn't wiping it. Queue a lot of back and forth (my direct boss wasn't trying to hide anything, just incompetent and didn't like his authority being challenged) and finally "do as you're told or you're fired." So I sent him an email outlining what he'd asked me to do, that I wouldn't comply without a response acknowledging my objection and his explicit instruction to dispose of it despite my objection... and if he wasn't willing to do that we could discuss it with HR. He responded, so I wiped and disposed of the laptop, 6 months later it was needed for the legal dispute, my boss immediately tried to throw me under the bus for it, I sent our legal department the email. He got fired, I didn't.
1:37 "I'm DJ" No no your name is Legal Eagle and I'll hear no argument on the matter.
_"My supervisor has ordered me to kidnap and murder his ex-wife using molten cobalt and a pair of tongs. Should I quit my job?"_ Everyone: "YES!" Lawyer: "Probably."
Lawyer: "It depends"
Lawyer: "I'll get back to you on that."
Lawyer: Whatever you do, ensure you follow the law. If you need advice on what’s required, I bill by the hour.
Lawyer: "Don't say anything to anyone. I'll be right there."
You need to get him to clarify in writing whether he wants her to be permanently murdered, which would be a definite no-no, or only murdered for the subpoena, which could be ok, depending on the format of the murdering.
this guy looks like a real life pixar character
Holy shit
Not Pixar, but he reminds me so much of Fix-It Felix
More specifically, if a Pixar movie had a lawyer protagonist or mentor character.
He reminds me of a human version of the elf bros in Onward
Did Carl from UP have a son?
"Ive been a practising litigation lawyer for 11 years" You have to be nearly finished practicing by now, wouldn't you?
He's almost ready to actually start lawing now!
"Stop doing illegal things." " Ok so what is illegal?" "I can't give you legal advice"
There's just no winning
So stop living... wait, suicide might also be illegal, oh no!
@@klodpraisor Suicide is illegal because it is destruction of government property
Well, technically "Stop doing illegal things" also wasn't legal advice!
"So there's a set of things for which I can be punished by the government, right?" "Yes, they're all very bad and you shouldn't do them. Doing even one could permanently ruin your life by giving you a criminal record." "Can I have a list of these things?" "There is not a soul alive that knows how many of them there are, let alone what they all are." "So how the heck can I avoid them all?" "Pay me."
Remember the most important legal advice: if approached by a mugger just say “no,” it is illegal for them to take your belongings without your consent
Someone’s going to take this comment seriously 😂
@@three7446 have you ever heard of timtom?
@@alexjustalexyt1144 my man got mugged and I think he just went “please don’t.” I think he managed not to get mugged but his friend did
Just say swiper no swiping
Waiting for the comment saying "yOu'Re A dUmBaSs. Of CoUrSe ThEy WoUlDn'T sToP, tHeY aRe A cRiMiNaL"
i'm not saying i agree with this company man, i'm just saying that if a court of law "Requested" my "Rule 34 documents" i would want the metadata and hard drives destroyed too
😂
noice hahaha
lol
🤣
Totally had to look rule 34 up.
just realised that boss would have saved himself and anyone else a bunch of trouble if he had just said "I need you to delete some files", and not say "because of subpoena". Probably could have saved himself a headache for a while.
I worked IT for a law firm in Texas for several years, and removing metadata from documents that are leaving the firm (i.e. going to opposing counsel, district courts, etc.) was a common occurrence. We had several tools that would strip either all metadata or specific metadata from emails/word documents/pdf's before they could be emailed outside of the firm. It was determined to be best practice to do so as that metadata, when released outside of the firm, could only serve to help opposition counsel, and any free information you give your opposition is a bad thing. THAT SAID, I was NEVER asked to scrub metadata from any forms that were going TO trial or was already considered evidence, because as LegalEagle said many times, that is HIGHLY suspect and damaging to your case/cause. IF that is what the person is being asked to do, he needs to be looking for another firm to work for QUICKLY.
"Stop doing illegal things." You just said you're not giving me legal advice. You're not my lawyer.
If you ever stop your illegal activities and it turns out to be bad advice, remember to sue him.
@@seneca983 Well, depending on which country do you live in, but in totalitarian countries this isn't an universally good advice, at least from ethical point of view.
@@KatarzynaMatylla words, what do they mean? There is no universally agreed upon "ethics". you gotta work quite hard to make that claim. I think you mean from "your moral point of view" (english, how do i do it? "according to your morals"?), which is as meaningless as it sounds but at least makes sense.
@@KatarzynaMatylla Seems it might be even better advice in totalitarian countries.
@@KatarzynaMatylla You can't sue based on ethical misgivings alone.
If this does well, I'll do a video on tree law...
Please!
That would be amazing
Trees have laws?
Yes, that would be great! I have a neighbor whose tree is growing over our mutual fence and requiring me to trim it when it gets to overbearing.
We'd all like to see more on why you picked u/anonymouslawyer6969
1. Get it in writing (i.e. email, as suggested) that Boss wants you to destroy metadata. 2. Copy metadata 3. Delete metadata at the subpoenaed source 4. Find the legal counsel who issued the subpoena 5. Submit the copied data to said counsel, of course in exchange for legal immunity... If asked to testify later, ensure that you swear to the fact that Mr. Boss said "do it or you're fired"... Best if they put it in the email.
0:53 u/anonymousLawyer6969 was created on the day this video was uploaded, and never posted nor commented, but has 518 karma from giving other users reddit awards
"Hiding evidence is illegal; unless you are a politician, then it's called Tuesday" hahaha
Didn't get this joke. I'm not American, so can you break this down to me?
Andrew One well known example is how Hillary Clinton, the Democratic Representative for President in 2016, was using a private email server rather than an official government one for emails. This was back when she was still Secretary of State, and many people were upset at the retention and removal of classified documents, but hasn’t had any legal repercussions.
Andrew if you don’t understand why specifically tuesday I’m pretty sure it’s just what they chose to represent any given normal day, specifically tuesday doesn’t matter, just the fact that it’s a normal day
That joke sucked.
@@IkeOkerekeNews I thought it was funny.
“Rule 34”…”make sure you get EXACTLY what your looking for” *you don’t say, huh?*
Even though a judge may declare that the jury disregard improperly procured evidence, what has been seen can not be unseen.
Yora he’s talking about the Internet’s Rule 34
@@Yora21 “Rule 34 of the internet: if it exists, there’s p0rn of it.” Edit: Unless you are ready to face lifelong trauma, *do not google it.* Trust me; it’s not worth the mental scars.
@@cloaker7237 let my dude beat off in peace
@@cu5tin I’m just trying to protect people from minion d*cks and all sorts of other horrors
I have never seen someone say "Rule 34" so many times while holding a straight face before. Truly this is a master in disguise.
lawyers are boring
a master of baiting, if you will
Document everything but do not quit. I’ve been in a similar situation and had the luxury of reporting it to 2 higher ups in a memo, asking if what I was being asked to do was legal and authorized. The only consequence was that one of them came to me and asked if I kept a copy of the memo in the office, and he took it with him. Nothing else ever happened, and I realized later in life that they probably couldn’t fire me for anything of any kind without worrying that in front of a jury the jury would believe the employer was retaliating. (I kept a copy at home.) The paradox is that doing the right thing with documentation puts you at less risk of job loss (unless they go bankrupt) and helps prevent the other side from proving you were involved (since you were open about your doubts-copying 2 people in different departments like HR and Risk Management, or blind copying someone in the state agency that oversees employment practices (if you don’t have the internal options). One needs to be clear about not being in on a conspiracy, but need not worry about losing the job, or unemployment benefits. In California they can’t fire you for refusing to do something illegal, so you’d have a claim if they tried. But if you quit, you’re unemployed and any claims you make for wrongful termination come from a disgruntled ex employee who quit.
“The only thing better than doing the right thing, is having a paper trail of doing the right thing.” Wise words.
That's the best Lawful Good slogan I've ever heard.
So Nino had the right idea to have pictures of himself cleaning. Oh, wrong video
@@MisterJackTheAttack but is it considered Lawful Good of me to Smite with divine wrath a corrupt leader with the body which is supposed to check him in his pocket, but has a wife and 4 children who wouldn't like it if i blasted the SOB into smithereens?
This reminds me of some advice I once read somewhere: "If you're an ethical person working for an unethical boss, the best long-term solution is to find another boss."
And why I should've quit both of my last two jobs before the boss was about to lose theirs...
Exactly why I left one university
I had a boss reveal exactly how unethical they were while interviewing to replace me: A candidate had come in, with the right sort of resume (that I unfortunately didn't get to see), had gotten through the team's questions without a hitch, so they sent in the big boss, and the big boss comes back about 2 minutes later and announces to the entire room that there was no way they'd hire that guy because of his race. Boy was I glad to get out of there. I found out from an ex-coworker that he sold the company and stiffed all the employees on what was supposed to be their stock options.
no, the best long-term solution is to smash capitalism and fire your boss. ;) but yeah, in the absence of actual solutions your only option is to run
Easier said than done
LegalEagle: "I'm counting D.C. as a state, it's only a matter of time..." Article 1, section 8, clause 17 of the United States Constitution: "Am I a joke to you?"
Taxation without Representation
@@luciannelson5887 They are plenty well represented in that the people that live in D.C. get extra influence over our country by living and having control over the center of our government, which is the whole reason that D.C. is expressly forbidden from becoming a state by the Constitution. The framers did not want one state to receive favor from the federal government over others by being both a state and the home of the center of our federal government. Additionally, people choose to live there willingly. Want congressional representation? Move at most 5 miles in any direction. It's a little different than comparing the situation to pre-revolution times where, aside from it often being economically impossible for most to move from America to Europe, many of the people in the US were forced to move from Europe to America and were not welcome back. I do have one question for you though, because I am curious. If your argument is that it's "taxation without representation", then why don't you just ask for Virginia and Maryland to take the land back (since they originally donated it) and have D.C. rejoin them? The answer is obvious: it's because the real reason is not about representation at all, it's about taking a 10 mile by 10 mile square and turning it into a state so that you can steal two senate seats. Stop acting like it's anything else.
@@Lets.Go.Brandon you like ben shapiro, right?
yes, that is a joke that could easily overcome if it wasn't for anti democracy republicans.
@@analcommando1124 Not particularly, I am just a literate person that was able to read a one paragraph clause in the Constitution that debunks the claim that D.C. ever will be a state.
Maybe what this guy should do is just send an email to his boss saying "I'm happy to delete this, but before I do that, want to confirm that whoever sent the subpoena already has everything they requested from these files."
Rule 34 of the Legal Eagle: if it exists, it is illegal Rule 35 of the legal eagle: if it's not illegal, there's a bill trying to make it illegal
Rule 1 of Darth Sidious: He will make it legal.
God damn democrats.
rule 66: execute all the jedi and enemies of The Republic
@@VaxzaLimeIsCool it's not democrats fault you don't understand other people's rights
This is facts
"Lawyers don't like illegal things happening right under their noses" I can see it now: 'You know, it would be a whole lot easier to defend you in court if you would stop doing illegal acts.'
I think what he means is tell them about the illegal activities first so they have more time to prep their defenses :P
Its easier to defend if someone tells you what they want to try. Perhaps a person's implementation is illegal, but it can be made legal or there is a more legal way of committing an act.
or put another way "STOP BREAKING THE LAW ASSHOLE"
@@qwertyui137 read this in Jim's voice
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THIS
3:18 "unless you're a politician, then it's called tuesday" xD
Legal eagle: "under rule 34" KZhead: DEMONATIZED
Jim kellt wanted to like this so bad. But the likes were 34
When the law gets kinky
I'm tired of this "demonitized" shit for people doing their thing. Is there a KZhead alternative? Google has outlived their usefulness...
@@Nesseight I don't remember the name of it but a KZheadr called mcjuggernuggets is switching to a different website. You would probably find the name of the website on his Twitter.
@@Nesseight tier zoo's video promoted one that looked promising
Apparently an actual lawyer corrected a mod there, and we all know what happens when you piss off an online moderator.
BANHAMMER!
They smite you with the force of a thousand suns
source?
You get tackled by the bailiff ?
@Lovecraft two accounts ? amateur....try 6 or 7.
Ah yes, reminds me of when I worked for a large governmental entity in the Pacific time zone. All employees were required to take a class which trained people to proactively delete historical emails as soon as they were no longer necessary, so that if a future legal action demanded emails, there wouldn't be any.
5:50 with the new adobe pdf view it can interpret text on a picture. it’s super cool
If you spend enough time on Reddit, you begin to realize that a lot of people honestly have no idea what they are talking about. It done't matter how official their username sounds, how professional or long their post is, or what subreddit they post to, many people on reddit are just plan wrong. I only started realizing this after I read a few comment/posts on a subject I actually knew a great deal about. There were so many inaccurate comments but they sounded so professional that if I hadn't known better I probably would have believed them. It was a pretty eye opening experience and know I am extremely critical of info I get from reddit. I'm carful never to take any of it as straight facts and will double check with a more reputable source if I really want to know. The sad fact is, most people in real life don't know that much about an abundance of topics. Those are the same people using reddit and if I wound't trust a random stranger with educating me I should also not trust a random user online. And the tough part is, the people who are responding to and upvoting an ignorant comment are equally ignorant. It creates a positive feedback loop of ignorance that can make inaccurate statements seem accurate because of how many people (incorrectly) believe them.
There was one time a Nazi started arguing with me about Hitler being a good dude, and said that I was super wrong, and I’m a literal history major who had close family members who served in WW2, and I was the one downvoted to hell
@@CK-sn2lg wow where did you go? You must be in neo-nazi territory,
MetaParalysis I was on a sub for Tucker Carlson (bc I foolishly believed it would be intelligent conversation about Tucker’s segment and I do agree with him 85% of the time), but apparently the majority of people who commented on that sub were neo-Nazis and I’m like “how” bc Tucker himself…hates Nazis
@@CK-sn2lg I guess they're going on that subreddit out of spite?
Reddit is the same as any other place on the internet. Balkanized and biased, which, to an extent, is how real life is. What makes reddit different from other online sources is (1) the popularity/the amount of users, (2) the fact that you can find a sub for any side of any issue, (3) there's generally a de facto official page, (4) every user sees the same page and same comments (they're sorted the same way), and (5) all posts are public. Like literally every other online source, including youtube and LegalEagle's channel, it's on the user to be curiously skeptical and to cross reference information.
Has he ever looked into the infamous -r/LegalAdvice- r/ExMormon thread where the guy was advised to visit every divorce attorney in the area so that his wife wouldn't be able to use them for some reason or another and the guy ended up automatically losing the case when the judge found out about it?
I want him to now!
I guarantee the guy got that from watching the sopranos. Can't say he's a bigger idiot than the guy that actually took his advice, though.
Jesus do you have a link to that thread? Or even know what it was called? Edit: nevermind I found it. Just googled "worst legal advice reddit."
Why would the judge do that? It’s fair game
No. No it is not fair game The wife deserves legal advice as much as the husband does. Everyone does
Best legal advice I’ve ever heard. If you are your own lawyer, then your client is a fool.
"...now a Subpoena is basically the same thing as a Rule 34-" *hehe, Rule34 hehe*
LegalEagle: "Rule 34..." Me: Oh? LegalEagle: "...Document Request" Me: oh...
Nah that's just the KZhead friendly way of saying "sauce?"
Rule 34 document request Can’t say that’s one I’ve ever searched for
Rule #1 - never tick off your IT department, especially if its just one guy, so there's no one to stop him from burning your house down.
More like "stop him from shot gunning your user data around the interwebz". Since, that's almost on the same level of burning someone's house down.
Or letting dinosaurs loose on your island
The sysadmin will always have his revenge.
I want to give you a like but you're sitting at 369 likes, and I don't want to be the one to mess that up
Damn some ruined 666 time to get 669
The Flood of paper documents thing: I remember seeing this in an ep of L&O once. To make it even worse, It wasn't just a malicious compliance issue, IIRC, but they also intentionally hid documents that for some reason (defence strategy document or the like) in that morass of paper, to try to get the case thrown out due to prosecution malfeasance. Was shaking my head about that one.
1:17 Chuck be like: You passed the bar? x 5
Rule 34 Document Request: If a document exits, there is a Subpoena of it. This is, of course, followd by Rule 35 Document Request: If a Subpoena for a document doesn't exist, it will be made.
loopholes within loopholes
I laughed so hard at this comment am i a bad person
@@leap541 nah... You just understand the internet
@@kaelanirevyruun1676 exactly
King
A rule 34 document request has a VERY different meaning among my friends on the internet...
Beast you request rule 34 documents? Ameteurs. You gotta form a porn commune
I didn't understand why people were laughing about the Rule 34 thing since that is the federal rule of civil procedure on discovery until I saw this post, lol
@@ChristophProbst XD
What's it mean?
@@TypicallyThomas Heh. You said suppoenas...
What happens when software licensing interacts with a subpoena? Suppose you subpoena a database, but you don't have the software that's designed to read and interrogate it. Is the software company required to allow you and/or your legal representative use of the software, or will its purchase become an expense of your case?
Probably the latter. The former would be too easily abused, and I’ve literally never heard of it happening
As someone who knows someone who work on a small compagy where everything is on paper (they don't even have computers), I feel sorry for the lawyer who would have to go through everything in case of a lawsuit.
"Everything you do is always illegal." I knew it! Socks with sandals IS illegal!
Unless You're in Florida, then it's just Tuesday.
@@AD-rp8xw Absolutely true
Straight to jail!
Not if you're over 65 and live in Ojai (California)!
I hope you did not write that comment using a trackable IP, or else you should start looking for a lawyer
Rule 34 document request? Is that the legal term for "sauce"?
If this were reddit I would give you a gold
@NotAGoodUsername360 It should be
Bruh 😂😂😂😂
This is the greatest youtube comment of all time, lol
“The only thing better than doing the right thing, is having a paper trail of doing the right thing” is such an awesome quote. Thanks DJ.
Yea I had this happen in West Michigan but every judge dismissed the case - Only half of the company is still there but the owners were never charged with the many, many counts of fraud, embezzlement, abuse and discrimination
“Stop doing illegal things.” Well, you just said you’re not my lawyer, so..
Free advice you don't even pay for?
A lawyer might be able to keep you out of prison, but jail for at least the first 24 to 48 hours is a different matter. A lot can happen to someone in a day or two, who is alone and surrounded by criminals far worse than them…
Y'all said "Stop doing illegal things" while I was pouring a beer and I genuinely had to remind myself that it's legal.
Lol -pours beer "wait... How old am I? Okay, cool." -starts to sip beer "Wait, what county am I in? Okay, cool."
@@suchasweety138 "Wait, what year is this? Okay, cool."
@@flametitan100 "Wait, am I operating vehicle or another dangerous machine?"
@@theunluckypotato1484 Does a meat mech count as a dangerous machine?
@@wta1518 uh--- ask legal eagle?
I would wholeheartedly recommend anyone at any job try to take as many instructions, requests, and orders as humanly possible via email. A paper trail is one of the single most useful things you can possibly have.
I had a somewhat similar experience many years back where someone wanted me to 'update' a document but not change the date or revision. Now, unless you scrub the meta-data it is going to record when you modified it. Since I did not know exactly how to do this I asked one of the office support staff. (Yes, I could have used HELP, but...) The office support staff I happen to choose was the legal secretary in legal department. This resulted in an email to me and my boss from the chief counsel 'instructing' us to properly note the date and revision in the document. Shortly after that I got a new boss. May not be related.
That is the most seamless sponsor transition i've ever seen, well played disney chin law man.
Underrated comment of the year
@lietunantURNER 🤣🤣
Smooth
@lietunantURNER I liked the comment because of the disney chin law man.
glad i'm not the only one that wasn't expecting it!
‘Unless you’re a politician then it’s called Tuesday’ lol
I had a good chuckle when I read that too. Then I had a thought, I really liked that he left it as politician, rather than say, democrat/republican etc. Then I thought further back. Sitcoms, stand up, it always used to be the "politicians". Makes ya wonder how we can't even agree that politicians are corrupt. It's always gotta be "their side"...
@Steven Victor Neiman US politicians can "legally" be bought with money from lobbyists, so the obvious way to show who is the most corrupt would be to identify who votes or crafts bills accordingly to whom they received money from. Hell, I even remember John Oliver doing a piece on Last Week Tonight where they found out that politicians spend most of their days trying to get money for reelection instead of actually doing what they were elected to do.
@@stephanewd Democracy is a scam, basically
@Steven Victor Neiman The real big brain, is to know that one side IS worse, for now. 20 or 30 years from now, the current less bad side will be bad again, and the current more bad side will have got rid of its corrupt establishment.
@Aggressive Tubesock Fake news. You'll note if you read the transcript that Trump did no such thing. In fact, I believe it was already decided that they would stop sending aid many months before that phone call.
3:30 rule 34 lmao
3:36… So many people talking about this rule on the internet. Finally some tells me what it means. Thank you!
“Do I sometimes post as AnnonymousLawyer6969?” *subscribed*
I searched that username, it's 3 months old but doesn't have any comments/posts/activity. Disappointment intensifies.
@@kiranicole2096 that's very sad, I wanted to see his depraved memes
@@kiranicole2096 It was made the day this video was uploaded
I searched it today and found an account that's only 16 days old
@@kiranicole2096 maybe he is a lurker
"Unless you're a politician, then it's Tuesday" lol, that made me lose it good show!
lol how did I missed that. when did he say that?
He doesn't say it. It was on the screen card at 3:20
I wonder if this video about how subpoenas are done was entirely coincidence concerning current events.
@@lilacpilot3437 It definitely is relevant to current events isn't it? To be fair, there are a ton of legal questions that could be applicable.. perhaps a coincidence, perhaps not
@@lilacpilot3437 I'm not up do date on things... What are you guys talking about?
Here is an applicable situation about which I have wondered for some time. I was working for a large corporation some years back which lost a pretty major lawsuit over copyright infringement. One of the reasons they lost the suit is apparently during discovery several people sent emails saying, "hey. aren't we infringing a copyright? And isn't that illegal?" with someone else responding, "Maybe, but how will they ever find out?" Well, they did find out and when the court saw the emails the company got hit with a bunch of damages. After that we were all instructed to delete any emails that were over 90 days old, and were told that automation would regularly clear out emails any older. If you wanted to keep an email older than that you had to specifically make a conscious effort to archive it. This was ostensibly to "save money" by not keeping around so many old emails. We all speculated (none of us lawyers) that instead of saving money this was a way for them to get rid of incriminating evidence before hand. Because it seems like while it is illegal to delete evidence in response to a request, since it is, or could be, evidence, if you have a policy that deletes these things regularly it is not illegal. Because you are not trying to hide stuff, you are "saving money."
This channel is freaking awesome and entertaining!! Keep it up please!!
I would illegally download music if I was on the ISS just to be the only legitimate Space Pirate.
Make sure you hold copyright and are in charge of perusing the compensation, then you can limit the cost of being cought /difficulty of proving your piracy.
Watch out for Barry and other barry
Some astronauts went on strike an space and took control of the spaceship they were space pirates
Technically, since the astronauts are using NASA computers remotely to avoid a computer virus on the ISS, it would be piracy, but not in space. Sorry to ruin your day.
No Internet on iss tho
LegleEagle: Stop doing illegal things. me doing crimes: is that like a personal attack or something?
also me: stop making everything illegal then!!
But but but, hillary got to do it so why cant I?
The Other Cat Same reason why Trump gets away with what he does and I wouldn’t.
Melanie Mathews ok Melanie
@@mammamathews You're quite right, Unlike Trump, the odds are if anyone dug into your life as deep as they have his, you'd be in jail for real crimes, not made up ones.
Dang it. Your way of segwaying into the promotion at the end was so dang smooth. I literally never seen it coming.
Metadata in terms of electronic documents usually refers to the information that you don’t see just from opening the document. Every file on your computer keeps track of information like: when it was created, when and by whom it was last edited, the author of the file, the read/write permissions to the file, etc.
I love that you specify it's not legal advice. I am always going to the legal self help desk at my local court house in Maryland, and they explained it in a way that made a lot of sense: "I cannot tell you what to do, what you should do or even what I would do in your position, I can only tell you what you CAN do; what your options are, and I can assist you in filing the appropriate motions once *you* choose what you're going to do from the information I make available to you."
They were really nice , it seems.
What is your life like if you're repeatedly going to your local court house for legal help?
@@visassess8607 could be a small business owner dealing with contacts and such who knows
In my opinion even have all the options explained to you is beyond super helpful. Someone who doesn't give a damn in the administration will just tell you whether you can or cannot do a specific thing and recommend you to hire a professional to make decisions. Typically what happens when you deal with taxes, they let you do whatever and you obtain actual advice the day they decide to come over as you get f*cked on your audit :)
I don't work a legal background but in my last call center job I worked on mortgages and was not able to give advice and had to explain this (the first bit you said about no advice just giving options) constantly
Objection, your honour! The title says "Bad r/Legaladvice", but the advice was actually pretty reasonable.
Yeah his only issue was that someone said to narc to the courts unprompted
"Stop doing illegal things." You make a good point, but the joint in my hand is surprisingly convincing too.
I love your videos! As an seasoned IT Engineer (23 years) I'm gonna have to call you out on this one. Pictures of e-mail can technically be used. Companies use OCR software (Optical Character Recognition) to extract data from images which has been around for over two decades... so it's pretty good today. Granted, it won't give as much info as the original e-mails with full metadata, but this method has been used in court. Just ask Alex Jones' lawyer?
"I would lose no sleep at them being utterly destroyed by a judge somewhere". I think I like this guy.
yeah it sounds like the boss is trying to do things that are not legal. but this is only from the writers point of view.
*Deletes emails* Well boys, we did it. Subpoenas are no more.
One of the interesting things about this is that sometimes there are PHYSICAL reasons to delete digital data and no good way to archive that data. Like text messages, devices only have so much storage space...
Hmm I wonder if there was a certain Secretary of State who did something like that......
@@marhawkman303 pretty sure text messages aren't kept on your phone but your carrier's servers
@@My_Old_YT_Account Not sure of the exact specifics, but you get the idea anyways.
It was wiped, like with a cloth, so it's all good.
That dashlane plug was the slickest and most swift, unforeseen Segway to an advertisement I’ve ever seen in the internet
I love when L.E. played ‘Jim’ on “The Office”
"Hiding evidence relevant to a legal proceeding is a crime. Unless you're a politician. Then it's called Tuesday." God, I love this channel
*wakes up to no controversial news involving politicians* I have concluded, *that it's wednesday, my dudes*
@@xexpaguette My conclusion would be that I was now the subject of Inception.
All lawyers do that. Politicians are lawyers.
General Bison approves
@@aoikemono6414 epic overgeneralisation.
“Stop doing illegal things.” I feel so attacked right now. Well, back to cooking me...math. Yes. I cook math.
For legal reasons this is a joke. I don’t cook math.
@@FalconStorm I can neither confirm nor deny this statement for legal purposes.
2+2=desoxyn
@@crescentfresh7 Nice callback to LegalEagle's 0:49 Glomar!
Cook...math....books.... Yes...nothing illegal there...
Lol. I'm my reddit days, I went on there to ask very basic legal questions* and there were very, VERY few people who knew what they were talking about. *How to file a cease and desist and how to write your own quit claim deed.
Your advertisements are seamless and enjoyable. How have you done this?!
When I was working at a gas station, someone came in and asked if they could put posters up about a missing person. The company didn't tell me what to do in this circumstance, but I allowed them to do it because someone's life was potentially at stake. When one of my coworkers came back from his lunch break, he looked at the poster and recognized the missing person and said in very specific detail where and when he saw him. Me and another coworker told him to call the police with the information he had, but he was an idiot and said he wanted to ask the supervisor or manager for permission, first. We had to explain to him for about fifteen minutes that if he had relevant information to a police case, then he didn't need to refer to the supervisor/manager and they were not allowed to interfere or attempt to fire him or they would be on the hook for impeding an investigation or wrongful termination. Eventually he called the police to give what information he could, but by then, they already found the guy, in a bad state, but alive.
@Lost Oh man, you should have called them yourself with the same information, but at any rate, I'm just glad the person is still alive
@Roni Ties Hey m8, the guy might not be perfect, but he still acted heroically and did the right thing, so I'd rather you be a tad less patronising to a guy who quite possibly saved someone's life.
@@luigivercotti6410 "by then they already found the guy"
Uh, i'm not lawyer but i know that much: When a director orders you to bury something with no further explanation, and blabbers (and stutters) for 30 minutes that he'd love to sign the order but can't find 3 minutes to fill the appropriate module, while insisting that is just a reason of space and/or workflow and you don't have to worry for consequences.... It can only mean that somewhere you can't see the shit is going to be very big, nasty and stinky, and is expected to hit the fan. Losing the job is the best thing that can happen to you.
It also means they will deny ever telling you to bury the thing and you are going to be the one they try to pin it on if they get caught
Now that they added the little graph over the bar that shows where the most people click on it, you can see how everybody tried to skip the ad, got to the part where he gives a preview of something he says later, and try to go back, thinking they missed something.
"...Someone who has nothing to do with the lawsuit whatsoever..." _except that they have a document that you need for the case because it _does_ pertain.
"Get it in writing!" I took a pre-law course in high school and if I learned one thing in that course, it was this. Written form goes a long way to proving something.
Even when an instruction is perfectly legal, still get it in writing. That way you have something to reference if you forget, and something to point to when your boss asks why you did something so stupid.
Or as a former boss of mine was fond of saying: Verbal agreements aren't worth the paper they're printed on.
How would that go about for a case like mine where the owners were the ones that removed the Metadata that the employees were attempting to report?
I left a firm after they "faked" a letter from me that their system was complinate with a certain rule (FERPA) when they were months away from implementing the software. Later they blamed me publicly for the failure to get the system up and running so I sued. In discovery I provided hundreds of emails clearly showing my case. They provide 4. In court they said I had no right to "have" those emails as they were the property of the College. The Judge didn't agree and sanctioned them and granted my lawyer fees at the next hearing. A settlement offer came a week later. Keep a copy of your communications!
Like Judge Milian often says on her show, "Say it, forget it. Write it, regret it."
As an IT professional, the integrity of that data is your responsibility, I can think of no above-board reason to get rid of that kind of data. I can't speak to the law, but I can think to ethics and professional standards.
Well he outlines a specific plausible case for removal of metadata, and in case it's not explicit, protecting the privacy and IP of 4th parties is a very compelling reason, IF that information (or information that would reveal that information) is not relevant to the matter of legal interest.
@@thevoxdeus I do not believe in rights of companies
@@internetguy7319 what does that have to do with anything?
@@internetguy7319 Based
@@thevoxdeus sorry for the late reply, but then you cut it from the version you sen sit, and not the one, you have yourself
_Most states have laws that protect employees who refuse to do illegal things_ - only *most* states? That is criminal.