Everything GREAT About The Hunger Games: Catching Fire!
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Catching Fire! Hunger Games 2! You asked for it over and over and over and I finally did it! See? We have a healthy relationship. Who's going to see The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes? Let me know if it's worth it! I avoided the trailer as usual. In the meantime here's everything right with The Hunger Games: Catching Fire!
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Honestly? I never hated Effie. Compared to other characters, she's never malicious. It's genuine innocence, not understanding. She hadn't really had the chance to. Yet she chooses to grow instead of turning a blind eye, which she easily could have done.
I think for a lot of people she is an uncomfortable mirror. Growing up in the capitol in wealth, with no worries besides personal ones, all the fashion, food- she sees what is happening, she's even part of it, but her life is so comfortable, it's kind of impossible to actually face what is going on. It's easier to see it as an exciting event, bread and circuses. She only starts to realise once she is personally involved (or rather, people she got to care about). That is, unfortunately very human, and we all do it to some degree.
Yeah. To me she always reminded me of my relatives and friends who (for example when i came out) started out ignorant and misinformed to a degree where they could be considered as being homophobic, but that in having someone who they care about inform them and seeing the truth, they show they’re a good person who just got misled at some point. She was a model for the ability to change and be introspective about things you have unknowingly allowed to happen
This is another way that the movies improved on the books. Effie basically disappears in the books, but becomes a recurring character, especially in the 3rd movie. I don't think she's even in the 3rd book.
@RedHeadKevin I'm pretty sure she joined the alliance in the 3rd book but I might be mixing it with the movie tbh lol
Yeah honestly I'm surprised by the takes about Effie. Even when he's being charitable, it's still kind of muted?
being team gale in 2023 is actually insane
This might be an actual cancelable offense
honestly so glad im not alone in this take. bonkers
say what you want about gale, but you can't deny, he is THE BOMB
@@brekinridgepuffington nahhhhh why u gotta 😭😭
@@brekinridgepuffingtonYou mean Gale is the prim reaper ‼️
It gets even worse when you realize that effie has never done a victory tour before. Like you said, 99.9% of all the kids she's taken to the games died. You can see how calm she is in the first movie. bubbly yes, over the top, yes. But nervous, hell no. She's done reapings a dozen times before, but this victory tour is her first one ever. She's so nervous for everything to be perfect because this may never happen again in her entire career. For the first time, the children she had led to their deaths didn't die and she wants to make sure that everything is going to go perfectly for them
Also its extra special because neither kid died. Both survived which is unheard of
Opening the can of worms that is "Team Gale" is one of the boldest moves Lee could've pulled.
Scrolled down just to find these comments 😂
It’s like, how could anyone be “Team Gale” when Peet exists. Especially someone as precious as Lee!
i was so shook that i had to pause the vid for a good 5min
I can maybe, MAYBE understand being team Gale pre mockingjay But POST? I’m not just anti-team Gale as a love interest, I’m anti-Gale as a PERSON.
I think Peeta is obviously a better person, but I could see someone liking Katniss with Gale because they prefer the "childhood friends and partners in crime turned into lovers" type dynamic over Peeta and Katniss ending up together mostly because of outside forces (basically fake dating). I don't have a strong opinion on the romance of the series, I think it's one of the least interesting plot points in general, but I do think ending up with Peeta was a good thing for Katniss.
being team gale even AFTER reading the books is absolutely insane man.
I always question if anyone who walked away Team Gale after reading the book actually read the book.
wow I had NO idea anyone was actually ever team Gale?? I truly thought that was only a movie marketing tactic brought about by Twilight's Team Edward & Team Jacob. Especially since in the books, Katniss's inner monologue makes it VERY obvious that Gale was never thought about romantically at remotely the same level as Peeta. You can really see the division in Mockingjay particularly when Peeta isn't with them in District 13, how vastly differently Katniss and Gale view the rebellion and what they should and shouldn't be doing in regards to the war (and then Gale becomes the Prim Reaper which is a whole other thing lol)
YES honestly anyone who is team gale is automatically a RED FLAG for me. like you're essentially condoning all of his toxic behavior towards katniss, and even going so far as to root for him. it also left such a bad taste in my mouth how he always pushed katniss to feel the same towards him, and wanted validation for his feelings. if anything gale felt like he DESERVED katniss' feelings because of everything he did to "help" her family. like sorry if katniss has more important things on her mind (like oh i don't know, SURVIVAL) than her love for you gale
Like the best way to view it is if you swap them around, if gale was reaped he would not have played into the shy love in the district that made the game maker change the rule halfway through the gamw
Not the Prim Reaper
THE PRIM REAPER 😭😭😭😭 NOOOOO
“Prim Reaper” is tragic but also sounds cool
"You never get off this train." Now I understand why Haymitch turned to the bottle. Not only does he have PTSD from his own game but he also had to mentor two children that might be killed in a grotesquely violent way, but he also is a celebrity. He has to always be a specific person. Trying to be someone you know you're not would drive you completely bonkers. Alcohol would take the edge off the insanity.
Agreed. Not to get uber dark, but I spent 6 years not being myself (I was in an abusive situation, and learned quickly to stop 'being me', because my (now ex)friend decided I was faking my autism.). I woke up one day, got his firearm, and debated who of us would be on the receiving end before I took a 3rd option, packed what little I could into a suitcase, and hiked 60 miles to my home town to go into a shelter. Also, when I was younger, I walked in on my best friend having taken his life, because he could not come out of the closet to his drunkard homophobic father. He got so tired of pretending to be 'normal' and hearing his dad rant about how gays and (insert any minority here) were ruining the country, every day. So I am well aware that trying to be something your not, for years and more, will lead to 1 of 3 things: Drink, drugs, or death.
think about what Haymitch goes through every year. Every single year he's given two kids to "mentor" when he knows that just means "comfort before they die." No sane person could do that their whole lives.
It's not just 2 people. It's 2 people *annually.* I wonder how many people Haymitch has had to "mentor" just to watch them brutally die. He won the games how long ago? At the beginning he is DEDICATED to not getting attached to them and making them hate him, so he could emotionally survive after they were dead.
Not only that but I believe he won the previous quarter quell, which means he not only has since seen almost two dozen of his mentees die but actually fought in a hunger games year where there were twice the number of contestants; 4 from each district.
one of my favourite things about Katniss' character development is how she comes to understand, sympathize, and even empathize with Haymitch and her mom - two adults in her life that she, for a time, looked down on for what she perceived as weakness (Haymitch with his drunkenness, her mom with her catatonic depression). But after going through her first Hunger Games, she gets why Haymitch turned to alcohol after years of mentoring children, doomed to die, all on his own, and how her mum struggled with her mental health after going through a traumatic event with no support (Panem hardly has affordable for the poorer residents, let alone mental health support).
Genuine Question - HOW can you be Team Gale?? There is literal no competition here, it was always Peeta
Frankly in the book, from my vision, there is no love triangle at any point. Not really. There is no possibility of Gale. All the actual emotional moments happen with Peeta.
It felt like Gale was simply a good friend that Katness was crushing on. But by the end, actually fell for Peeta.
@@ashlazdanovich8396 She never had a crush on Gale.
@@mten10th67 Could have misinterpreted it. But that’s what it felt like when I read the books.
I don't think Katniss should have gotten with anyone 🤷🏻 I didn't see or sense any real chemistry between her and either of them, so when the ending of Mockingjay happened, I was just like "Wait... WHAT? HOW? WHEN?? WHY?? SERIOUSLY??" Absolutely hated how this series ended...
The prequel is not meant to reddem snow, its meant (at least to me) to show how snow got to where he is, both politically and in his personality
yeah, it's about how the games were dying until someone (snow mostly) threw a glitzy coat of paint on top of it and preyed on people's natural empathy and desire to help each other. it's about how easily our best instincts can be twisted to something evil.
And yet, from the new movie, I believe him much more on the line "I don't want to kill you, I want us to be friends" Sure, it's not in good will, but it is something I can see coming from him now that we saw how he got there
You get it!! I’ve seen so many people say that tbosas sympathizes snow when it doesn’t! I think a lot of people think that just because the villain’s story is told, you’re meant to sympathize with them when that’s not always the case
people have this issue where they're literally incapable of not seeing a character as sympathetic if the story is told through their POV, because books/media has kind of conditioned us to center the morality of a main character over anyone else, even if they're objectively a POS... where do you think "main character syndrome" came from?
@@wolfking4556 I saw a theory about how the games were meant to be used to assess each district for their potential to start/successfully carry out a rebellion, and honestly, that line makes a lot of sense from the standpoint of 'I don't want to have to kill you for rebelling, but I will- so maybe think twice about playing the game I want you to play.'
Sadly, you skipped the scene where Katniss comes out of the tube thing and sees the arena for the first time. The way she is panicking, but then composes herself... goosebumps!
Also the way that they positioned her to be unaware where Peeta is - so great
That whole sequence in the book was so fucked up, and the movie translated it perfectly
and the way the aspect ratio widens to show her heightened senses!! ugh!! its so good
the Gale praise is actually crazy like I can’t imagine liking him that much and thinking he’s better than Peeta; like brushing past the incredibly important and beautiful scene on the beach cause you like Gale more is crazy! if you’ve read the books you know just how important that kiss was to Katniss and how much it changed the way she thought about love and her feelings for Peeta as a whole
Real. Peeta is truly the sweetest most hopeful thing Katniss has in her life while being her rock, and strength unlike Prim.
she would literally hold the pearl peeta gave her and longingly remember him holding and kissing her because she missed him so much when he was being held captive… there was never any competition 😭
This is still my favourite movie of the franchise. I love that it introduced Finnick and Johanna, two of the most complex supporting characters. Finnick was forced to prostitute himself to save his family from the Capitol, which the last book goes into more detail about, while Johanna's family were killed because she refused to.
They absolutely ruined Finnick in the movies tho 😭 mostly in Mockingjay. He was *by far* my favorite in the books, then the movies come along and just... borderline cut him almost entirely?? He and Katniss become actual best friends in the book but the movies make it seem like they barely saw each other. The rope tying scene in Finnick's room in district 13?? CUT. The scene where he runs out half naked because he wants to go with Katniss on the hovership?? CUT. The scene in Catching Fire where he ties a noose and pretends to hang himself?? CUT. (Although I do understand that one) HIS MOST IMPORTANT SCENE IN MOCKINGJAY THAT TOOK UP LIKE 2 PAGES WHERE HE REVEALS WHAT THE CAPITAL DID TO HIM?? *BRUSHED AWAY LIKE IT NEVER HAPPENED!* To the point where I almost missed it while watching the first time, and I WAS WAITING FOR IT. Needless to say, I was kinda disappointed with his portrayal specifically. They did my son dirty 😢
@veebee0 All of this! Also I'm very disappointed he didn't win the sugar cube scene. I watch sometimes just for that scene
@@_veronica_rthey cut finnick running out half naked? Damn, that was one of my favorite parts, the humanization of boggs is really nice, and the whole situation is downright hilarious
@@_veronica_rwhile they were infiltrating the capital building to rescue Peeta and Joanna, Finnick is telling the very same story you are saying they brushed off.
@@_veronica_rYeah the knot tying stuff is one of my biggest memories of the entire series. Them just working on their mental health together
Katniss 100% deserved Peeta. She went back for him even in the first game when it was a disadvantage for her and she went into the bloodbath and risked her life to get medicine for him on the off chance it would work and almost died for it and Peeta saved her life after she shot Coin and went back to District 12 even after he got brainwashed to hate her to plant Primroses for her. It was always Peeta. Also everyone around her made it about Katniss and used her as a pawn and her entire goal in this movie was to save Peeta. Ten sins for you Cinema Wins!
i hardly ever disagree with the videos but the heavy team gale agenda got me a little lol whilst i don’t 100% think she deserves peeta in the first book or beginning of the second book (imo he’s just too kind hearted for someone that used his feelings even if to their advantage), she really proves it to me by the end of catching fire and for the mockingjay book i’m just completely sold. Tbh even in 1 I’m still rooting for them over Gale. Maybe Gale is just not all that for me. I find his comment about comparing hunting animals the same as killing humans bothersome and always felt he was being pushy to Katniss about his feelings.
@@renoirrr i agree and also while Gale is jealous of Peeta when him a Katniss are together, Peeta is grateful that Katniss has Gale. Which i think is true love; to put your s/o's happiness before yours.
@@nonagrace8172 i feel like that’s another big point. both clearly mean a lot to her, and one recognizes it, and the other wants to be the only one. it’s not a good look. Also its kinda funny how most people in district 12 actually saw them as closer to cousins because they look similar on top of hanging out with each other a lot. They didn’t mention it in the movie but it stuck out to me in the books because i was like “wait so why would i root for the guy that is seen as her family, isn’t that kinda weird”
To be completely fair, and having not read the books in quite a while, i remember that, in the books, Katniss projects *a lot* of her self hatred on Peeta, like she literally goes to sleep with him 9 nights out of 10 because otherwise she's plagued by nightmares but when Peeta cooks for her suddenly she decides that such gesture is too intimate? And then she goes on a 3 page monologue about why she hates Peeta and having to "put up a show for everyone" when she's with him, and is like, Katniss sweetie that man lost a leg to save you, and he only ask for you to be to him what he is for you; a friend, a security blanket, the only one that can relate to your trauma, but you refuse to do that because that would be accepting that you're in bedt with him?
I think they both have the same kind heartedness at the core of who they are but the difference is Peeta has privilege and grew up middle (ish) class. Katniss became the breadwinner for her family at 12 and thus comes out more cynical and more emotionally repressed because she's seen how dangerous love can be. Her deeply analytical and almost cruel way of looking at things is the only thing that kept her family alive
Finnick screaming "MAGS" tears my heart out. The way his voice is just shattered.
It's the same voice breaking desperation from Katniss when Primrose gets picked for the first movie. Absolutely chilling to hear a human cry out like that.
It’s legit haunted me ever since I saw it in the cinemas in 2014. Hats off to Sam Claflin
The scene where Peeta paints Rue I think is often misunderstood. In the books they try and cover it up before Katniss gets in there and its only after that she finds out what he did. It wasn't to upset Katniss, it was to basically give the finger to the Capitol and the gamemakers and to honor Rue. It is a scene that I think shows just how much Peeta also hates the Capitol and how the Games and the people in them impacted him.
One of my favorite details of the scene when Katniss hangs Seneca Crane, is that in the books, Peeta's painting of Rue wasn't intended for Katniss. It was intended for the gamemakers, to send them a message, that they STILL don't own him. Katniss had to wait a really long time for her turn because the gamemakers tried to scrub the painting away, failed, and ultimately just covered it up. Katniss went in and uncovered it, seeing the painting, and resolved to follow Peeta's example and send the gamemakers a message of her own. It's a great evolution of the first book/movie, when Peeta tells her he wants to still die as HIM, to show that they don't OWN him, and Katniss admits she can't afford to think like that. Now, she's inspired by his defiance to defy in her own way, and it's always been one of my favorite parts of her character from the books. I think it's still beautiful in the movies but doesn't land quite the same, imo.
From what I remember in the book, I didn’t think Katniss saw it because they were able to clean it up and she only learned about it because she asked Peeta what he did and he told her. I think they had Katniss see it in the movie because I think they wanted to show a lovely and heartbreaking painting like that.
Peeta: I don't have a right to be jealous, so here is my support, care and love for you, I don't ask for anything in return Gale: bUt wHy dOn't yoU lOvE mE? How can anyone be team Gale??? 😭
I agree, Peeta is the best.
The tribute interviews scene is my favorite part of the movie. Even though not all the tributes are in on the plan to overthrow the Capitol, they are united in this moment to try and call off the games. Everyone in this group has gone through this song and dance. They have experience with playing to the audience and presenting themselves as people who you wouldn’t want to say goodbye to. Each individual feels charismatic and interesting, making it really feel like they were the protagonist of their own story, making it even harder to swallow that so many of them are going to die.
I can't believe I have to unstan you now for being team Prim Reaper.
Right 😢
I think this is the best book to movie adaptation ever, in terms of highlighting the important things from the hooks and just overall being a great movie in general.
Ma boy never heard of the lord of the rings… hunger games great, but nothing will ever top lotr
lord of the rings??? cmon i cant say these movies are bad but i cant be like "woah i really wanna watch hunger games today" catching fire is probably the best out of the movies though
Nah mate strong pass on this one - LOTR, Dune, maybe even Cloud Atlas? Even Blade Runner was loosely adapted from Do Robots Dream of Electric Sheep.
This is one of the best YA adaptations I’ve seen, and the best of the Hunger Games series… but best book adaptations of all time!? Have you seen The Godfather? Apocalypse Now? LOTR Trilogy? One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest? Jaws? Many many more? Are you kidding me? Edit: not to mention Misery, The Shawshank Redemption, To Kill a Mockingbird, Jurassic Park, and even a few of the Harry Potter movies did much better in that regard. Read more books, watch more movies.
I do wish that they had kept Peeta's prosthetic or at least made a reason for him to be weaker.
The tribute interveiw scene in this film is probably one of my favourite scenes in any movie ever. It was perfection in the book, and they carried that through here. The perfect blend of uncomfortable and vindicating
Will never understand how someone can be team Gale, he is selfish, genocidal and tries to gaslight katniss into thinking she should love him. He did good things but I never thought it was a love triangle, since the first time I watched this I knew Kat and Peeta would be together and Gale just never had a chance. Dont know about the books though.
I’ve read the books, it’s a lot of the same. I got so frustrated with him when I was reading them because Katniss has just gone through, genuinely, the most traumatising thing a person can experience and when she comes home he’s almost immediately like “yeah but what about my feelings though” Especially in the books, it’s made pretty clear that Katniss doesn’t ‘love’ Gale, he’s the guy she felt like she should marry because he’s the best option around, not because she has genuine feelings for him.
He's aurguably even worse in the books
@@noaha6185 100% worse in the books.
It's arguably worst for gale 💀 there was no love triangle it was always peeta.
@@kamikazexd2456 exactly.
One of my favorite little things about the movie is when Katniss is showing off with her bow, you can easily point out which tribute she’s shooting based on their weapons. Finnick with his trident, Joanna with her axes, even herself at one point with a bow. It’s a nice detail that they didn’t need to include, but I’m glad they did.
This is making me remember how solid this film series is. Seriously it's so much better than most others and shows actual filmmaking technique.
I do honestly like the first one's brutality a lot more than the second third and fourth's popcorn aesthetic it's still a staggering series especially coming out when it did.
Love this! I think the Hunger Games are largely dismissed as anything serious because they're "teen" books and movies, but I think they're actually a pretty scathing rebuke of where our society could be headed right now. One thing you didn't touch on, though (at least as of 14:56) is that everything Plutarch did while they were in the arena was to help Katniss and Peeta. Even spinning the cornucopia island around was to stop the sneak attack on them.
I never got that part. Apart from trying to drown them, turning the cornucopia would have done nothing to their plan, since they knew where the big lightning tree was.
@@RedHeadKevin and I think that's the point, that's what we're supposed to realize. Plutarch wasn't trying to sabatoge their plan, but he had to save them from being stabded, so he just told Snow that he was trying to disorient Katniss and her allies when he was really just saving them.
@@RedHeadKevin in the book there is a big lightning tree in every sector of the "clock". In the film though, he does stop the Cornucopia moving as soon as Katniss is about to lose her grip, so it's subtly hinted at earlier than it is in the book.
He also stops the spinning as soon as Katniss falls in, he’s not trying to kill her, he needs her to live.
I forgot how much I absolutely adore this franchise. I read the books so many times that my copies are literally falling apart. The final book, mockingjay, is also the first book that made me so angry and upset that I threw the book across the room and didn't touch it for a week😂
Wow that's powerful
Was it the ending that did it?
wanna put the book in the fridge?
First book I ever threw across the room and refused to finish for several days was a house of night novel. MC ended up cheating on her bf with her school teacher.
@@LevaniaMeyano OMFG THAT WAS THE ONLY OTHER BOOK SERIES THAT MADE ME DO THAT😂 It was when Stevie ray died though as the teacher cheating thing was kinda expected as Zoey isn't a great person and is even worse to be in a relationship with!
Lee: "Still Team Gale" Those who've watched all the movies: "We'll see"
Gale? Really? My issue with Gale was he never really seemed to understand just how broken Katniss was after the games. While I'm not entirely sure Peeta being just as broken was a good match in the end for her. . . I do think it makes more sense. Gale was so pro-revolution he never stopped to really see how Katniss was handling everything. . .Peeta legitimately loved her.
Like ome thing that gale never seemed to understand or try to understand is that katniss is traumatised from killing someone and that he would never know what that's like. Yes he kills people bit it's all faceless soldiers at a very large distance with a gun or throw airstrikes. He also does not believe that torture is a thing considering he immediately calls peeta a traitor in his first news video instead of seeing he's clearly been tortured.
How exactly does Katniss make everything about her? Literally everyone else around her make it about her since the moment she volunteered. She just wanted to protect her sister. Anyway, great video! I really hope you do the rest, including the prequel. Trust me, it does not suck! I highly reccomend reading the book before watching the movie, though. It doesn't redeem Snow, like at all. If anything, it makes me hate him more.
Seriously THE ENTIRE POINT of the books is she just wants to survive. Everyone else is making it about her.
@@DeathnoteBBShe really doesn’t like that she’s the focus of so much attention, and later on the face of the rebellion. Katniss isn’t a natural people person, she’s not into being social and has to be coached in how to come across presentable.
@@DeathnoteBBYou read catching fire, no? She absolutely doesn't want to just survive; she wants Peeta to survive. She walks into the games completely planning to die. ...which is kinda the point. *She* (selfishly) wants Peeta to survive and her to die. Until the end, she ignores everyone around her trying to clue her in on the rebellion because that's not what *she* wants. She ignores Haymitch and Effie and offers her money to the families of the losers of the games because it's what *she* wants. Even moreso in Mockingjay - she demands to be the one to kill Snow, because she thinks she deserves to. She demands special treatment from Coin because she knows she has the leverage. She never asked to be a main character, but she definitely acts like she is one. It's what makes her character so well written.
@@Celia_Dawn I'm not sure most of this has to do with her being selfish but rather that she sees everything anyone does for her as a debt she has to repay. She wants to save Peeta in CF because she feels guilty that he's the reason she survived the games in HG, she feels like she owes him something. She doesn't really believe he loves her and that he, like she was, was doing/saying things only so they would be able to survive the games. Same with giving money to the families of the fallen tributes in 11. She cared about Rue and felt guilty that she (in her mind) let her get killed. She felt she owed Thresh for saving her from Clove and sparing her life. Idk if she feels she DESERVES to kill Snow or that she just really really wants to after all the things he's done. She "demands special treatment" from Coin, again, for Peeta. Because she had decided that her debt with him would be settled had she gotten him out in CF. Now he's in the Capitol being tortured because it was more important that Katniss survive to be the Mockingjay. She feels responsible, like she failed him again and will never stop owing him. In the books it feels like she does everything transactionally, not selfishly, because she (and everyone in 12) has been in survival mode her entire life it doesn't make sense for anyone to do anything kind for her simply because they care about her. To her there always has to be an ulterior motive or something she has to do in return to make them even. She's constantly consumed by guilt.
@@swembemmy This exactly! It's present in the bread scene as well, it bothers her because she feels like she owes Peeta despite him doing what he did out of compassion- it's not a concept she's used to because much of her life (and entire society and culture) functions on debts and repayments, including the Games. She also feels guilty that Haymitch basically favored her in the first games because she got some sponsors with his help meanwhile Peeta didn't get any, even when they found each other the parachutes were in Katniss's name, so this time she wants Haymitch to advocate for him.
i remember how much these books meant to me at 13. katniss was the first female protagonist i was introduced to that felt deeply human. i had never found a character like her that dealt with just real and utter rage, depression, and confusion - at the time, those emotions felt so taboo for a young girl. she was allowed to make mistakes, but still had to deal with the consequences of those mistake. she could be selfish and short-sided, but you never hated. i just appreciate the all around nuance of the characters that suzanne collins wrote within the story.
4:32 This is one of the things that adds to the neo-Roman theme throughout Panem-- the concept of purging to indulge yourself more comes from the Romans having a "vomitorium" for this exact reason (it's actually a myth but still). I love that in this movie they lean more into the Roman inspiration-- all the names in the Capitol (Caesar, Plutarch, Coriolanus, Seneca), the fact that they ride in on chariots, the grand music, etc. Stuff you don't notice in the first one because the premise gets most of your attention.
Yep, the name for the vomitorium just refers to the fact that people "spew forth" into a room that we would generally refer to as a foyer now.
Effie is a lot newer to her job than Haymitch. Part of why she is in District 12. I never consider though how she would have seen her tributes not come back until Katniss and Peeta and how that might affect her
6:56 "she doesn't owe him a romantic relationship" honey.... pls keep that sentence in mind and then re-read every Katniss and Gale scene in the book, pls-
I coulda sworn you did this series already, but I never realized you only had done the first one. Hell yes!
"Must be a fragile system if it can be destabilized by a few berries." "Yes, it is." I always loved HIS response in that scene! He was direct & honest. And then went on to explain why it was important to KEEP the "unstable system" from collapsing! (with a very good argument) "We must eliminate their entire species." I always found it amazing how Snow, who is supposed to be a brilliant politician, didn't choose to go LESS authoritarian instead of MORE! I get people with power RARELY (willingly) give up ANY of that power, but I always imagined Pan-Am would have become more stable for a couple CENTURIES if instead he turned the Winners into a new "Social Class" that would serve as advocates/ quasi-representatives for their districts.
Your spelling error of Panem literally just threw at me that yeah, it's Pan-Am. It's what's beyond the USA.
The way I read Pan-Am and thought you were talking about the airplanes 😭
I've somehow fallen back into a Hunger Games phase, watching movie reviews, rereading the books, watching the movies, then this gets uploaded! I love it 💗 another great video!
It's being pushed by the algorithm at the moment
@@Minimozthat makes sense with the new movie coming out
the way you've seen all the movies but you're proudly Team Gale is actually insane. Kept making me mad during the video every time he would say it lol
1:18 saying you kind of believe Snow actually meant he wanted him and Katniss to be friends is an absolutely crazy, unhinged thing to say. He sex trafficks 'his' victors and emotionally abuses them through their entire lives by having them be mentors to kids that 99% of the time are gonna die brutal deaths. Snow has no friends, the closest thing he has are possessions, and the new movie/book shows that well. Something that could also be seen in this movie (the way victors usually get treated) through the guy at the party touching Katniss' shoulder lingeringly, and Katniss' snide remark at Finnick ("how do they pay for the pleasure of your company?"). Even Johanna's "how do you feel now that the whole world wants to sleep with you?" comment can be read as a terrifying thing in the context of how victors are used and abused. Would have been interesting if you'd talked about that; would also have been a good thing to remind yourself of when you watch the new movie. Snow's view of the games as entertainment and dying kids as tools to facilitate that entertainment and control is present already at 18.
How can you be team Gale? He's so self flagellating in Mockingjay one and two and he's always represented staying perpetually within anger and violence while Peeta represents moving forward, healing, and peace ITS NO QUESTION
The reason that Team Peeta and Team Gale mean nothing is that Peeta represents peace and moving away from everything that's given Katniss trauma, and Gale represents everything she's trying to move away from (the rage, the fight, even making the wrong choices: choosing that they should either kill the Capitol people or put their children in a new Hunger Games. Which is it's own problem, but that's another story), and that's why Katniss has to choose Peeta in the end, because she *needs* peace. (still I'm Team Gale too haha)
To solidify this, in the books as what I can remember, Katniss describes Peeta as a flower in a burning field. She describes him as the peace and joy that remains in this chaotic world. I also believe that she described Gale as the raging fire, symbolising that he's too angry that it blinds him.
Kinda can’t believe this one hasn’t been done yet, love this movie
I think it’s more than just a little pity on Effie’s face during the reaping, that is her true turning point. Her victors, the kids she has been managing who should be set for life and enjoying every luxury she does, are being reaped again, and she knows it’s not right, and that maybe none of it is alright in the first place.
You missed how when she was training with the arrows, the digital “opponents” were all her fellow tributes. It’s kind of hard to notice at first but we do see one with Joanna’s ax and Finnick’s trident.
I literally can’t get over you saying you’re team Gale. Out of all the people in the world you seemed the least likely to choose the guy who whines about Katniss not picking him every other time he’s in a scene. Gale is always making it about him and not, you know, what Katniss wants. Peeta never forces Katniss to pick. He just loves her. I mean to each their own but I’m baffled over this opinion. To me Peeta is utterly superior in every way to Gale who is the “nice guy” in this series. The Hunger Games isn’t all about love triangles but in a story that is so hard to read the little amounts of joy Peeta can bring is so needed.
I read the books a long time ago so I'm not exactly sure how she was portrayed in them, but in the movies, I got a very different impression of Effie. Like yeah, she says some pretty sketchy stuff, but she always seems aware of how horrible it all is and it seems more like she is just trying to make the best of it. IDK, she seems very sympathetic to them in the movies and always seems to understand that, even if it's unethical and immoral, you have to comply with these things to survive.
I think your take is valid, but just in terms of the books, she's written to be extremely shallow and lacks any kind of compassion until later in the series. She comes around in the last book after becoming disillusioned with the capital and the rebellion and instead focuses on the people who matter to her
@@Alison-dt5wo Thank you for reminding me, that's exactly why I added that preface. I do like that with movie adaptations the actors can add so much with tone and facial expressions (ie Elizebeth Banks as Effie). It gives the book characters way more depth by providing insight into what they are feeling and thinking in the moment, and, as I said, I think she gave Effie a sense of sorrow and remorse in everything she said and did. Kind of a subtle acknowledgment of "yeah this sucks, I know, but.... lets just not focus on that cause we can't do anything about it." (not saying this excuses her behaviors, but I don't see her as some cold, remorseless monster in the movies)
in the books i didn’t like her, but in the movies she seemed like a good model for how people can change and become aware of the things they previously thought were okay
So yes effie was more shallow in the books but she want in as much in the books. It's not effie they rescued and brought to district 13, it's her prep team. Plutarch ppl in the capitol had a hard time keeping her alive. Killed off peetas prep team. In the last book she's drawn and distant but ishappy they are alive. Elizabeth banks freaking killed it as effie and so Suzanne said she needed to be in the next movies. Which I can't agree more!!!!
We also gotta remember Katniss is our point of view. She is not the most reliable narrator given how often she thinks one thing and says another (partially because she is viased and partially because she can't understand everything going on with herself and others) so the view of Effie we get is through Katniss' eyes always. Hence why Effie dtarts feeling morr humane as the storu goes on, because Katniss herself has started to see the Capitol people as...well people. She has changed a lot from book 1 and it shows in how she describes the people of the Capitol, Effie included.
The sad but amazing thing is Effie was brainwashed by the capitol bc she was born into it, but it took genuine connections for her to realize reality. When you think about it she never had anything genuine, probably never anyone she actually cared about. Then she and haymitch end up somewhat together at the end of the series (we see them kiss once I believe)
Even as someone who enjoys Gale's character & thinks 98% of the modern HG fandom has no comprehension of him, unironically being Team Gale is about the coldest take. Hoping Lee sees the light whenever he finally covers Mockingjay(s). Also cracking open the 2ND PAGE of TBOSAS is a pretty good clue that even if there was redemption for Snow, he'd never choose it & that's the point.
I was worried the new book would try to justify Snow's actions in the trilogy, and I'm relieved to hear that is not the route that the author went. Looking forward to the new film
right like i never saw the books as trying to redeem him. at the beginning of the book, we just see coryo going from jerk teetering on the edge of being a questionable human being, to an all out sociopath by the end of the book. like even if we don't factor in the 1,000+ children he murdered once he was president, he still killed 3+ people by the end of tbosas and his thought process? exactly like snow now.
10:22 -- LEE: "stay alive long enough to get Peeta out, which means killing lots of "good" people" (zooms in on Finnick). Don't tear my heart out so violently please! also really liked the part where Finnick agrees with Katniss verbatim about Mags dying "she wasn't going to make it" showing the mirroring of the characters and all of the victors for that matter in such a way that can only make you feel sorry for them
The speech from “… I did know Roo.” Gets me every time.
I dont think Katniss ever thinks she "knows whats best". If anything, she's aware of how clueless and out-of-the-loop she is all the time, even before she knows aboyt the revolution. The reason she does things that arent... smart, is not bc she is cocky; its because she's brave and true to her heart
Now I'm just hoping we'll get the rest of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies
I love how much this movie demonstrates just how much Katniss gets under Snow's skin because literally anyone who thinks about the idea of doing the "winners only tournament" for more than two minutes would be able to be like "that is not going to go well for you"
I'll just add mine to the pile that I was always Team Peeta, but Mockingjay made it just about undeniable. When Katniss and Gale finally get to spend a lot of time together they're constantly fighting, and that's on top of just how ruthless he turned out to be. I can't even say with certainty he'd be opposed to the- *SPOILERS* "76th Hunger Games" as Coin laid it out. While I do wholeheartedly agree with Lee's point that Peeta being a good guy/better person than Katniss doesn't mean she owes him a romantic relationship I'm still really happy that he was the one she chose in the end.
The theme of Katniss being used as a symbol is even heavier through out Mockingjay. The portrayal of Katniss' PTSD is really good actually. As a sufferer of PTSD myself... re-watching these movies after I was diagnosed... its difficult. As someone whose had Panic Attacks the aspect ratio change and sound changes when the scene changes to the stadium makes me think of how I feel during my panic attacks... heck it almost induced one in me. Mockingjay while its an all out war movie has a lot to say. There's a lot of symbolism. Susan Collin's puts a lot of good commentary and symbolism into each one of these books about how the children suffer the most, how bad war is, how mental health is important to take care of, and how in the midst of such horrible things... you can find small moments of beauty even during such a horrible time. Katniss should always be with Peeta not Gayle. Gayle was *never* in the games. He would never understand what Katniss went through. Peeta does. Going into the games is the equivalent of fighting in a war. Only the guys you went in with understand the horrors that you've seen. Peeta and Katniss have that kind of bond. It does help that Peeta has had a crush on her for years since they were kids. After the games and the war they are way better suited for each other.
Very well said!
Youre team GALE?!? HOW Also, the best thing about songbirds and snakes is that it DOESNT redeem snow, it just gives him layers
This video was awesome, but one thing that you missed is that during the party scene Peeta has his left 3 fingernails painted, to do the mockingjay symbol even while being amongst the capital elite, gotta love him TEAM PEETA!!!!!!!!
6:46 this was one of my favourites lines in the book and movie! You are right that it was meant more in a broad term “in her life” but Katniss could interpret that to mean romantic if she wanted to.
How was Peeta's painting of Rue a "dick move?" Are you trying to hate on Peeta just because of deluding yourself that Gale ever had a chance?
STILL TEAM GALE?!?!?!?! Do you not realise how damn good Peeta is for Katniss??? And also just how well their chemistry bloomed and their relationship solidified in this part of the story??? Like put aside the fact it is Liam Hemsworth and the fact that Gale is macho mastery. Katniss, as a girl who has only lived to survive and was thrown into a war she never wanted to be part of, let alone be the pivotal figure of a rebellion on which this war hinged, she would never have known peace with Gale. Gale fed into the war and immersed himself seamlessly into the rebellion action. At no point during Katniss's time as the Mockingjay symbol, felt like she belonged there, and in fact was very against many of the actions the rebellion took to win the war. Not to mention, her character as the unwilling Mockingjay who believed in the ultimate goal but was not happy with the journey to achieve it, was always built as a tool to be used by others with greater plans than herself, and Gale fed into those plans and was a willing conspirator in using her as said tool. It did not matter that it was Katniss. What mattered was what she symbolised. It could have been anyone. And ultimately they succeeded without her and only used her as the final pin in the plot to kill Snow. And once again she recognised what Gale never could have, and that is those fuelling the rebellion would only be the same oppressive system in a different font. MEANWHILE Peeta was only ever thinking about Katniss. He did believe in the higher cause of saving everyone from this authoritarian oppression hellscape yes, and he recognised Katniss was very important to that effort and her actions and natural leadership abilities and genuine compassion could do so much more than he ever could, even if he knew how to play the game. But everything he did was to help Katniss. He saw through the cause and the duty they had as victors and her role as the Mockingjay and saw the desperate, young woman who was still fighting to survive like she wouldn't have something to eat the next day. He wanted Katniss to have a future BEYOND the war. Even if he was not part of that. Gale, at all times, was finding ways to connive and manipulate Katniss's emotions into feeling sympathy or pity or even guilt towards him and what he wanted her to do. He loved her sure, I acknowledge that. But those feelings were secondary. His feelings were secondary and frankly, in Gale's mind, so were Katniss's. Not with Peeta tho. tl;dr You're so freaking incorrect on the Team Gale vs Peeta front and I don't understand how you could think you have any legs to stand on. And I didn't even mention Gale being the literal Primreaper. WTF.
I'm more intrigued by the pink puke shot because of how it must make throwing up somehow elegant and genteel. I know when I barf, it's a whole performance, and I often get burst blood vessels, and the sweats, and a sore throat afterward. You know that pink shot must make it at least pleasant. That's fascinating to me.
No! No team Gale! Katniss in the books is SO CLEAR that she doesn’t love him romantically. And that he was annoyingly pushy about it. She doesn’t want to ever be in a position where she could get pregnant and bring children into that world. The reason Peeta works and the reason she DOES love him is because he represents hope for a different kind of future. He shows that change is possible. Plus (spoiler alert) Gale ends up being the reason her sister dies so, he’s out. I think the movies played up the love triangle way more than the books did, and the movies played up “romance” with Gale because of the popularity of the Hemsworths.
And Gale was too angry, too spiteful too. His rage blinded him so bad that it also cost him almost everything.
One thing I miss from the books is Katniss’s prep team. I know that for a movie with limited time, it makes sense they were cut and combined with Effie, but they really represented the average capitol citizen for me, and that makes the choices Katniss makes in Mockingjay make more sense. The politicians are the enemy, the capitol people are a product of their environment.
Wish you would’ve talked about how Beetee says “there’s always a flaw in the system” perfect foreshadowing for what is to come
The scene where they execute the old man is where I bought into the series. Every hard choice, every sacrifice, every bit of rage held echoes of that moment for me. I forever thought, “Burn it. Burn it all down, Katniss.” Look, I know it’s all fiction. That’s what movies are. But I’m still mad about what “they” did and there ain’t no talking me out of it. Burn it all down!
a win for cinemawins doing catching fire :) best hunger games movie. its incredible how it goes from trying to go to the background and just survive, to trying to face the capital to trying to just survive again to in the end really taking a huge step in facing the capital again, all in a way which makes sense and doesnt make a non understandable story.
Some fun things I noticed after repeated viewings: 1. When the fog is approaching Katniss, if you listen, the sound of animal life (frogs, crickets etc;) is silenced - this is a nice foreshadowing that the fog is poisonous. 2. When Beetee is talking about his plan and Plutarch is listening in, knowing he is a part of the rebellion, I feel that Beetee is talking directly to him so he knows to keep an eye on him.
I enjoyed the Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes and it's a pretty good adaptation, but it did suffer from being a longer book condensed into a 2.5 hour movie. While all the important pieces are there, the relationship, the games, and the downward spiral all feel a bit rushed. We miss out on Snow's paranoia and we never really experience his hatred of the mockingjays. Solid B in my opinion. A directors cut to flesh out things just a little more would probably bump it to an A
The fact we don’t know what Snow is thinking in the movie makes his downfall into a “villain” seem a bit abrupt, but it’s been shown (maybe a bit subtly) that he has always had evilness inside him
Absolutely agree. It was a fitting adaptation but definitely could have used some more exploration of plot points, especially minor ones, and Snow's character arc.
as someone who doesn’t read the books the song birds and the snakes were confusing on His motives, like how did he turn into a villain so quickly. Maybe if I heard some of his thoughts I would understand why sooner.
Honestly I enjoyed the hunger games trilogy. I get they are not as detailed as the books but that is how all movie adaptions are. Specifically since the movies follow Katniss but they don’t show us her thoughts (which actually gives us more broad views like what Snow is doing which Katniss wouldn’t know in real time).
Lee, please! Gale? Eyeroll emoji. But thanks for taking the time to remind everyone that it’s never okay to kill children. I’m with you on this. Nicely done.
Being team Gale is a hate-crime against people who arent horrible (i LOVE Peeta)
Haymitch is one of my favorite characters. When we see him in the first one and he tells them to embrace the probability of their imminent death just breaks my heart. First time watchers think he is just a good for nothing drunk when in reality, he tells them how broken it's making him to know nothing he does will be able to save their lives. How he's had to live with that knowledge year after year. And here, he solidifies that by basically telling Katniss to get used to the killing, because she is a mentor now, and she, too, will have to live this life and die inside year after year every time she is unable to save someone. The series of books (and movies) are so good
ABOUT DAMN TIME!!! I’ve been waiting for this video for YEARS!!!🤦🏾♂️😭😭🤣🤣🤣
I can overlook it took you six years to come back to this series, but the amount of "team Gale"s in this video was nauseating. 😒
Same
17:00 going from crushing sadness to a burning rage can not only happen this fast but can feel amazing when it does
I remember reading the end of this book and being like HOLY CRAP, it was so unexpected and exciting Also team Peeta how could you even disagree?
Love these movies and books! A lot of them were filmed near me and it’s crazy to see how they were used! Like one of the “forests” from mockingjay part 1 (I believe) is an area my sisters and I used to explore for family photos! Makes us laugh as it’s just right off the Highway!
Here is the thing with Effie, she is doing her best to keep them alive. Her best to keep everyone who was under her alive. Is she out of touch, yeah but anyone would be when they are in the position of having to pick up 2 kids every year who are probably going to die on television. Also, she is a big reason they survived the beginning of this book. Posted this right before you said what you said.
I rewatched this series and I think I love it more than I did before. I’ve always seen people put it down, comparing it to the other YA adaptations or say “panem doesn’t make sense it wouldn’t be a stable society” and I go yeah that’s the point that’s why it’s being overthrown.
I think the new book humanizes Snow but its almost worse in a way because how can you who went thru everything you went thru and can genuinely related to Lucy Grey still end up this awful way. Like he has the chance to chose being good and choses to sprint in the opposite direction
YOU'RE TEAM GALE?!?! never had a plot twist affect me so much :(
I was literally searching to see if you’d done this one yet yesterday and was so sad you hadn’t. Glad to see you got to it! 😄
I am SO glad you came back to this! I spent a week feeling sorry for myself when I revisited your first video and realized you hadn't continued lol. And now you did my favorite of the series! Yay
mr cinema wins not the team gale 😭😭
I've always loved Effie's character development. Everyone is a victim.
“Gale would’ve been able to slice and dice a load of these guys” NOPE. He’s revealed to be absolutely dog shit with weapons, good with traps. He might not be very good in the hunger games.
this movie changed my life for real like after i saw it everything just felt like a before and after. hardly any notes except TEAM PEETA. five stars !
Honestly , I consider Catching Fire to be the best movie, while the first book is the best book.
Soooo true. It’s my personal favorite
This is exactly my opinion too!
I was really hoping you’d mention the aspect ratio transition when she rises up into the arena. It blew me away in the theater the first time I saw it, and still impresses me now. The one thing I will say, is that I wish this movie maintained the secrecy around the plot twist that they both have to go back to the games that the book had. It was THE oh shit moment in the book and they just gave it away in the trailers. Marketing, I get it….. but it was still unfortunate.
It's been almost 10 years since Mockingjay was released (I grew up reading the books in highschool, when it released) and I still refuse to watch Mockingjay to this day because the final scene with Prim mentally broke me when I read the book.
No no no no ... I did NOT just hear that Lee was team Gale. Absolutely not. Maybe it's just because I am a cis-woman, but Gale, even as a CHILD raised red flags for me. He dated other girls in the District- which he's allowed to do but then went on to be almost possessive over Katniss and genuinely angry with her over how she had to act in the games. Then when she explains what's going on, and how The Capital is going to be watching her, he decides NOW is the time to kiss her and force all of them into a stressful and dangerous situation. Then later on during Mockingjay he no longer actually sees her as his friend, but as the Revolution symbol, and uses that to vent the anger he's held for years on THe Captial when Katniss is in a tremendous amount of pain coming out of two games, losing Peeta, and finding out her district is gone. Gale punishes Katniss for her love towards Peeta, but Peeta understands and accepts Katniss' love for Gale. I saw a post forever ago detailing that while Gale adds anger to Katniss, Peeta is able to add healing- and they can heal each other by the end of it.
Definitely the best book and movie of the trilogy. I know the term used a lot is calling something "The Empire Strikes Back" of a franchise, but this is actually what Catching Fire is haha. I'm glad you got back to the series!
Totally agree. Especially the cliffhanger ending! You just wanna know what happens next right away. The entire movie in one big thrill ride. So much at stake.
@@izzyxxhughes9137 Yeah! It does such a great job of scaling everything up, the stakes, the worldbuilding, the character development, etc. without going over the top.
I love the first one just a little bit more - but I have so much respect for how good of a sequel this is to the first one in a genre that I think generally struggles with that a lot. It has a lot of the same stuff that we like and then we realize OH this is actually completely different. Good movie.
It’s very hard to do a movie adaptation of a book because the book is very explicit and vivid in detail of characters. But with this series, mainly Catching Fire, each character is displayed exceptionally well and we’re able to see most of the emotions come to life. The book felt as if they’re superhuman in the dystopian future, but became human again when they’re dealing with the Capitol. I’m ready for your take on Mockingjay and hopefully give a compare/contrast between the two because a good bit were left out to make the “movie” a movie.
My favourite thing about catching fire is the moment of thrilling exhilaration before rolling around on the floor to put myself out
I watched this movie a week ago and still didn’t realize that Peeta’s showcase was a painting of rue. That’s incredible
"If it weren't for the baby" who can top Peeta Mellark honestly. What a fucking legend
Oh man..Katniss knows she doesn't owe Peeta her feelings, part of why she fights against it. But again and again he was there for her, and that strong and healthy of a love is easy to fall for. Down with team Gale. Katniss doesn't owe him a relationship because they knew each other longer.
It's about time! I loved your video for THG, I'm so happy you're finishing the series!
The fact that Jennifer Lawrence is shooting CGI arrows during these scenes. The performances in this movie are amazing!